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Thursday, February 21, 2019

In the wake of growing terrorist threats instigated and promoted by foreign influences, some Americans want to sacrifice the civil liberties of American Muslims to secure more safety for everyone else. A smarter set of policies that take into account lessons learned since 9/11 and treat all people fairly, regardless of their religion or political opinions, can help us stanch the erosion of civil liberties while shoring up our public safety.

We are courting disaster when law enforcement relies exclusively on a securitized relationship with American Muslims. Surveilling six million people based on their religious and political ideas is unwieldy and unconstitutional. The enormity of the undertaking will lead to failure. Real threats will be missed.

We cannot arrest our way to safety. Sting operations cannot be the only tactic in the FBI’s counterterrorism strategy. The challenges in countering ISIS-inspired political violence are similar to the decades-long “war on drugs.” Policymakers are beginning to recognize that prevention and treatment are critical to a comprehensive solution to fighting the drug trafficking and the resulting addiction epidemic in America.

Foreign influences using the latest social media applications are preying on the still-developing minds of young American Muslims. ISIS-inspired political violence among young people must be seen through the lens of public health as well as public safety, just as we now view drug-related offenses.

We need intervention programs for youth who are at risk of committing political violence. The reasons why individuals are drawn to such acts may be as varied as the people who seek it out, but there may be opportunities to identify who is at risk by looking at other factors. Terrorism experts with training in behavioral psychology and psychiatry increasingly point to factors that may be relevant to other delinquent, antisocial, or criminal behaviors among young people as possible indicators of who may be susceptible to ISIS recruitment.

It makes sense to help the individuals who show up in the FBI’s intelligence-gathering efforts, but who have not yet engaged in any illegal activities, by offering them a range of social services to address their underlying problems. Given the help they need, these individuals may take themselves off the path to political violence. A comprehensive engagement strategy would lessen, rather than increase, the burden on law enforcement agencies.

Viewed as a public health issue, we can expand the tools available to prevent and counter the lure of political violence by leveraging the existing resources for social services, mental health treatment, and child protection services offered at the state and local level.

Such a partnership can bring in university researchers to help develop and evaluate such programs. The American Muslim community is ready to partner with public health and academic institutions to develop these public-private partnerships that bring together all the resources needed for the best possible interventions.

For such intervention programs to be effective, not only does community support need to exist, but there must also be a healthy relationship between the American Muslim community and law enforcement agencies at the federal, state, and local levels.

Agencies like the FBI need to be willing to divert at-risk youth before they cross the line between free speech and criminal activity. The American Muslim community must trust them enough to engage with them in this work.

This will be challenging, given that some sting operations since 9/11 have netted quite a few mentally challenged and low functioning individuals who were then publicly touted by certain agencies as major threats. To many American Muslims and other civil liberties observers, these cases smack of entrapment.

The onus is on FBI Director James Comey to acknowledge that mistakes were made in the past and to outline what steps are being taken to rebuild trust. From the bottom up, FBI agents must treat community outreach as just that — outreach — and not as a pretext for warrantless intelligence gathering.

For their part, American Muslims must give “Countering Violent Extremism 2.0” — a community-led, research informed, public-private partnership based program — a chance. Young Muslims are being lured into violence by ISIS, and it is better to confront the problem now when it is relatively small.

Junaid M. Afeef is an attorney and the founder of Common Good Advocates. He is also a Partner with the Truman National Security Project. His views are his own.

Screenshot from ISIS boot camp YouTube video titled “Blood Jihad 1,” showing graduation of the first batch of camp Sheikh Abu Azzam al-Ansari. Courtesy Flickr user Karl-Ludwig Poggemann.

 

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114 responses to “On Countering Violent Extremism”

  1. Jose Sanchez says:

    Well if they are America’s don’t start any trouble here at home other wide you Muslims terrorist will pay a price. We Americans we not afraid of you

    • JPHALL says:

      Where have you been the last few years? Americans are afraid of terrorists. That is why idiots like Pamela Geller and Anne Coulter are making a living scaring Americans.

      • charleo1 says:

        Is this guy for real? If they are America’s? …Don’t start any trouble here at home, “other wide” you Muslims… Really? Where’s he from the Bronx?You’re right. As it turns out Geller and her crew make a lot of dough with this hate stuff.

        • bikejedi says:

          Thats right rip on the guy because he is latino I love it when Liberals cannibalize each other . Jose is right even if he isn’t so eloquent . for you to infer he is Illegal is immature and intolerant though typically Liberal..

          • charleo1 says:

            Actually, the Bronx is not a foreign country, I was thinking the post was probably phony. And Jose, whoever he is, he’s dead wrong. Americans are being systematically terrified out of their Rights, their money, and foundational liberties, by terrorism. And hate mongers like Pam Geller are exploiting that fear, and laughing all the to the bank.

          • bikejedi says:

            What in the world did Pam do to terrify anyone of their rights their money and foundational liberties and how is she exploiting that fear ? I mean if anyone she is the one who refused to be scared out of her rights and led the way for all to see and remember this is America and Muslim Terrorists don’t seem to want to act civilized in a civilized society …If they want to live by a 7th century version of their Quran maybe they should go somewhere that is acceptable ..It isn’t in America .
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          • I love it when you repeat the same inane point of view. Do you have another recorded message in your head you can offer the public?

    • Daniel Jones says:

      Jose?

      You don’t mind a simple observation, I hope..

      If you ever get mistaken for a “wetback”, if you ever get stopped by the Sheriff or otherwise assumed to be an illegal immigrant unless proven native-born, you officially have no right to bitch.

      Because you’re just as bad.

      • bikejedi says:

        I love it when Liberals cannibalize each other . Jose is right even if he isn’t so eloquent . for you to infer he is Illegal is immature and intolerant though typically Liberal

  2. hicusdicus says:

    That article was a crock of crap. That is the first thing that came to mind when I read it.

    • bikejedi says:

      Agreed these are Muslim Terrorists and not extremists . The current administration is punting the problem to the next President

      • Lynda Groom says:

        Sounds like you would agree the Reagan punted on the subject of terrorism and left it to future Presidents to deal with. Thanks for the update.

        • bikejedi says:

          Lynda are you forgetting the opening salvo in Reagans Libya raid were bombs on Kaddaffi’s compound ? And are you forgetting no one heard from them again until Obama ? So no Reagan never punted any problem
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          • Lynda Groom says:

            Have you ever heard of Lebanon? Iran/Contra and the selling of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Don’t be so naive, Reagan punted and allowed the cluster to fester even more.

          • bikejedi says:

            Why yes I have heard of them . Reagan had no knowledge of them and he left no Muslim Terrorist problem for anyone . during Reagan’s terms we saw the Berlin wall come down and the collapse of the Soviet empire . Our enemies feared us so much no one dared screw with us or our allies and our allies knew where they stood . Today Israel knows that Obama and the left in America favor HAMAs … Big differences

          • Lynda Groom says:

            Lets look at October 23, 1983 when a truck laden with the equivalent of 21,000 pounds of TNT drove into the heart of the Marine compound. It took the lives of 247 servicemen. This ‘peace-keeping mission’ had left the gate wide open, and ordered the sentries to keep their weapons unloaded. That decision to keep weapons unloaded was made at the highest levels, not some abritary idea coming from local command. Politics over sound military judgement. An additional 13 our our servicemen later died from injuries making this the single deadliest attack on Marines since Iwo Jima

            Don’t forget that 6 months earlier terrorist bombed our embassy in Beirut, killing 63 more people, including 17 Americans.

            There was plenty of opportunity to point fingers of blame, but unlike todays Congress there was no talk of impeaching Reagan, who was the President, nor were any subpoenes sent to cabinet members. The Democrats controled the House. Tip O’Neill demanded an investigation–a real one, and only one. Rather than play politics they took in upon themselves a serious investigation. Two months later they issued a report finding ‘very serious errors in judgement.’ BTW, that a real bipartisan report.

            Reagan was well aware of the negoitiations held by his administration in dealing with terrorist in Iran. He and his administration convinced themselves they were dealing with ‘moderates’ in Iran. Also Rumsfeld was sent by Reagan to be with Saddam Hussein, collarbored with Osama bin Laden in building up the mjjahidden elements fighting the Soviets in Afghaanistan–the same folks who became the Taliban.

            There were, in all, 8 arms shipments to Iran from Aug 12, 1985 to Oct 28, 1986. The first two from Israel with our promise to replaceing them, and the rest directly from the U.S. directly. In all 2,512 TOW anti-tank missiles were sent to Iran, along with 18 Hawk anti-aircraft missiles and more than 240 Hawk spare parts. All were needed by Iran in their war with Iraq.

            Do you seriously believe that the exportation of such weapons could be done without the approval of the Commander in Chief? If so who was really in charge in the White House?

            Lets compare actions taken by Obama and Reagan. When Obama came into office our forces were under continual attack in Afghanistan, he increased our troop levels by 68,000. We’ve been killing terrorist all over the world since Obama took office. Reagan retreated from Lebanon after the Hezbollah that murders our Marines. According to the 9/11 Commission Report (p, 96), Reagan’s cut and run INSPIRED Bin Laden, who viewed the USA as a ‘paper tiger’ due that rapid withdrawal after the attack.

            Yeah Reagan ‘punted’ the problems of dealings with terrorist to the following presidents.

          • bikejedi says:

            Yes we already covered Lebanon it was a Muslim Terrorist Attack …There wasn’t upheavals and civil wars going on all over the Middle East where Muslim Terrorist groups were cutting people heads off and burning people alive …Little girls weren’t being kidnapped into sexual slavery all over Africa like today …nothing like this stuff going on under Obama…and Reagan would never be allowing a Terrorist regime like Iran to Nuke up
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          • Lynda Groom says:

            Due to the punting of past Presidents, including Reagan. Thanks for making my point. BTW, there was a civil war taking place in Lebanon, which is why our ‘peace keepers’ were their in the first place. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt friend.

          • bikejedi says:

            You funny …so is Lebanon a big problem today ? Anywhere near like Iran ISIS Syria Libya N Africa etc etc ? No ….see how that works ….I’m going to go bust out about 40 miles on the bike and meditate about Hillarys emails ….You have a great day Lynda
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          • Lynda Groom says:

            If you want to educate yourself about the history of conflicts and civil wars in the region just do a little fact checking. Google ‘timeline of civil war and conflicts in the Middle East’ for a start. There you will find more info than you want on Lebanon, Syria and all the rest. Pretending that the mess in the region today is somehow the fault of Obama and the current administration is just an exercise in ignoring actual facts and history. Enjoy you bike ride and hit books when you get home.

          • bikejedi says:

            Wow …Well what happened in Lebanon during Reagan has nothing to do with a power vacuum that led to ISIS nor the fact Obama is literally funding the Iranian Nuke Program …it has nothing to do with Libya nor the way Obama tried to install the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt . It has nothing to do with the fact that while Obama supported uprisings in Egypt and Libya he stood by and watched when the people rose up in Iran . All of that is on Obama no one else …they are his policy and his doctrine …oh look ISIS just took Ramadi
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          • Lynda Groom says:

            So you believe that decades horrible policy from our leadership did nothing to add to the problems in the Middle East…except of course for Obama?? Seriously friend? Truly a myopic world view you’ve got there.

            Reagan showing the white feather and fleeing from Lebanon did not indicate America was a paper tiger to the radicals of the region? Yeah right, they took his pull out as a sign of strength. The dominos of mistakes and bad decision are all connected, decade after decade. ISIS is a result of the cluster_ _ _ _ of the IRAQ war and its aftermath. Piss poor decisions by the last occupant of the White House pilled on top of the mistakes of the previous occupants…which of course includes Reagan.

            That sound you just heard was the connection of the dots and the point of the discussion just going over your head.

          • bikejedi says:

            No one said past decisions don’t effect the future …What I have discussed is the total train wreck of the Obama and Hillary years …They are going to leave a World where Iran has Nukes and billions if our dollars they will use to fund Terrorists who hate us and want to kill us …ISIS will control large swaths of the Middle East and they export their Muslim Terrorism here …When Iran gets their Nuke 5 other Countries will build their own . When Iran gets their Nuke it won’t be a matter of if they use it but when . Ask yourself will the world be safer or exponentially more dangerous when Iran gets their Nuke ? So you know the answer to that and you know that Obama is a narcissist egomaniac . You probably will agree even if you won’t admit it that he will take any deal with Iran that has the appearance he did something . You know as well as I that the deal He and Lurch makes will ensure a Nuclear Iran …That alone plus ISIS Libya etc etc etc are all on Obama …it is a train wreck that may doom mankind unless there are just limited Nuclear strikes …You know this even if you won’t Admit it and you are scared as hell of any agreement Obama makes because he is not a negotiator …He doesn’t have that skill set …and nothing has gone over my head …Nothing Reagan did in Lebanon has anything to do with how or why ISIS was born nor how the current administration has allowed them to grow …Let me recap because it seems a lot if this stuff went right over your head 1 Bush left a stable Iraq 2 He warned way way way back in 2007 that if we left a power vacuum there a group like ISIS would fill that void …proving he obviously knew the Muslim world ..the geo political situation and had better fore sight than Obama ( in other words he was world’s smarter then Obama on this issue ) 3 Bush was so spot on it was as if he were Nostradamus . 4 The Pentagon and all the Intel warned Obama not to do a total pull out and the reasons for it …They were smarter than Obama as well…History has now shown they were all right and Obama was wrong . Obama did it anyway just to score points with and for the left 5 When o Obama pulled everyone out he stated that Iraq was a success story that they were ready to secure their own country apparently he was dead wrong .and here we are…Hope that didn’t go over your head
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          • Lynda Groom says:

            Apparently you’ve been out of the loop for a while. The State Department of the United States issued a travel warning to Americans to not travel to Lebanon. Would you care to make a guess why??? Hundreds of people have been killed in Lebanon due to continued violence, suicide bombings and alike. Just because you’ll not aware of the facts on the ground does not remove Lebanon from the horror show that is Middle East. True it does not get the press like much of the rest of the region, but the place is still a mess.

            I assume you’ve heard of Hezbolla and Syria. They are still pulling many of the strings in Lebanon. The society is divided on religious lines. Hezbollah fighnting to save the Syrian regime, the Resistance in backing the Syrian government out of fear of reprisals, the Sunnite leadership claims neutrality, and the Christians are split; some neutral, some support Assad as they fear a Islamist state. Shia backed Hezbollah who back Assad, while many Sunni’s back the rebels fighters.

          • Dominick Vila says:

            Nobody heard from Gaddafi after dropping a few bombs in his compound, and killing one of his daughters, because nobody followed up on what should have been the start of a retaliatory military campaign to bring justice to the architect of the destruction of a Pan Am passenger plane. That is, until President Obama, with the help of British and French forces, and Libyan rebels, killed Gaddafi.
            I believe what Lynda was referring to was that (1) Reagan did not follow up on what he started, (2) Iran-Contra, and (3) the cut and run in Lebanon, among other disastrous and embarrassing examples of foreign policy.

          • bikejedi says:

            Dom you are being funny right ? No one heard from Kaddafi because he virtually went into hiding for 25 years and even made overtures to peaceful relations with the rest of the world although no one trusted him . President Obama NEVER went in ther to settle up for Pan Am he went in there because he saw an opportunity to help the Muslim Brotherhood of Terrorists take over that Country . He used air strikes to help various Muslim terrorist groups to depose Kaddafi . Then THEY killed Kaddafi not Obama . Now you have ISIS running around killing Christians over there … Oh sorry I don’t want toupset your misguided liberal sensitivities …” Extremists ” ( lol sic ) are running around killing ” others” . 1 Reagan didnt have to follow up on a Damn thing and you didn’t have Muslim Terrorists running around half of Africa and the Middle East . 2 Iran contra was a thing he knew nothing about and those responsible were brought on the carpet and that is unlike Holder and his gun running in Mexico

          • Dominick Vila says:

            There were no terrorists running around when Reagan was president? Who do you think slaughtered over 200 U.S. Marines at the Beirut airport? Mother Teresa?
            The rest of your post is not worth a response.

          • bikejedi says:

            Yes those were Muslim Terrorists …it wasn’t a continual threat like ISIS …they weren’t running around beheading Christians and burning people alive Sent from my ZTE Sonata 4G, a Cricket 4G smartphone

          • hicusdicus says:

            Lynda is a brain dead activist. You would do better trying to communicate with a tree stump.

          • bikejedi says:

            She is regurgitating a lot of stuff that has no relevance to what us going on today that is for sure Sent from my ZTE Sonata 4G, a Cricket 4G smartphone

          • Lynda Groom says:

            Is realtiy really something to be avoided when trying to understand such an important region of the world? Really, facts, figures are just ‘regurgitating a lot of stuff’?

          • Lynda Groom says:

            We can always count upon you for comic relief. Thanks for playing, and maybe next time you can try and add something of value to the discussion.

      • hicusdicus says:

        It looks like they want to make sure all Americans are unarmed before they give the terrorists the green light.

        • bikejedi says:

          Can you believe these people ? They are out of touch with what is real …Charlie and Dom are sitting here denying these Muslim Terrorists are doing their acts for their religion and Allah …What do they want you to believe ? That ISIS who call themselves the ISLAMIC STATE and has told the World that they are waging Holy Jihad for Allah and Islam and that they will exterminate Christians isn’t doing this because if their RELUGIOUS IDEOLOGY ? Have they completely lost touch with reality ? Why are they so intent on making excuses for Islam ? I mean they make excuses for them just because Obama tells them to . Obama has often told them to make excuses for him as well . He gas even given them the talking points …Now he is doing it in regards to Islam and his people are so easily led the give up any sense of reality on the subject …it is mind boggling they can’t see how they are used and the fact none of them have the ability to think outside of liberal group think …Maybe they should take ISIS at their word
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          • hicusdicus says:

            There is a good chance you will see the death of a nation. Americans think they immune to disasters and that everything will work its self out. When one thinks they are immune from something happening to them that is when the door opens and lets it all sneak in.

          • bikejedi says:

            That is why we should always be vigilant and prepared

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  3. bikejedi says:

    Ok here is a tip for Liberals . To label them simply as extremists is the type of Liberal double speak designed to brainwash you to have ” empathy ” for them as Hillary says or sensitivity respect and compassion for people who just last week beheaded a little baby girl . No these are Radical Islamist Muslim Terrorists on a Holy ( unholy ) Jihad for Allah . Obama tried to put the Muslim Brotherhood in charge of Egypt good thing the people fought back . Hillary and Obama left a vacuum in Libya that ISIS is filling nicely Oh by the way HELL YES they are Islamic it is the first word in their name . All over Africa Obama and Hillary have set the stage for groups like BoKo Haram to breed and grow … All the while Michele pouts and holds up a hash tag sign … so sad . Hillary and Obama funded HAMAs in Israel and when they fired rockets at our ally from schools Liberals were told that Israel was the bad guy for defending herself . then their is the vacuum they left in Iraq . 1 Bush left a stable Iraq 2 He warned way back in 2007 that if we left a power vacuum that a Muslim Terrorist group like ISIS would be born 3 Before Obama decided to pull all opf our troops out of there the Pentagon as well as the Intel agencies all warned that if he did that bad things would happen and he did it anyway . Hillary and Obama watched as ISIS grew and now he is doing nothing but punting his creation to the next President to deal with . Then there is Iran . Do even Liberals trust any deal he or Lurch will come up with ? Well the Saudi’s Jordan and the UAE don’t and they will all soon start working towards countering the Iran thereat . … No Liberals these are Muslim Terrorist and until you are willing to at least call them what they are you will bever stop them … But that isn’t what Obama is trying to do anyway

    • charleo1 says:

      Load of crap, and more hateful ignorance. Don’t believe me? Make a list of those
      people different than yourself you dislike, hate, think are lying to you, stealing your job, freeloading on your dime, etc. Feel free to use an extra sheet, or the back of the paper. Then, make another list of people different than yourself, that you like, or otherwise basically approve. See which one is longer. Hillary wasn’t talking about having empathy for the a-holes that cut off babies heads. You twit. Right down the road from the cartoon contest in Richardson there’s a good sized Muslim community, with one of the largest mosques in DFW area. And they didn’t even hold a protest over the hate filled, disrespectful gathering. Those are the people she’s taking up for. If a faction of the Muslims in Richardson, had held a similar event, I’m not sure that would have been the case. Although, in this Country, both groups would have had the Right to protest. And your assertion that Bush got it right, while Obama messed it up, is even being trashed by the Neocons. I’d think about that for a second, if I was you. The ones that still think invading Iran is a good idea. Revealing their thinking is still ‘effed up on Middle East policy. Which is one reason they don’t stand a snowball’s change of winning the Presidential election.

      • bikejedi says:

        Wow you are really spewing a lot of hate there . I like a lot of people who are different then me and unlike you who lives in a white only liberal suburban enclave I live in mixed areas of Chicago …I have Latino friends Black friends even more Muslim friends then most people even know . I have lived with people from Lebanon Ramallah and n Iraqi …I have had girl friends of all races and ethnicities and gave Gay friends too . So unlike you I walk the walk not talk the talk . Everyone knows what Hillary and Obama mean when they use liberal double speak terms like extremist instead of Muslim Terrorist and tell you to have empathy for them ..It is all designed to get uninformed people to soften their image of Islam …it is not accurate and bullshit to call Muslim Terrorists anything other then that . if you are unwilling to call it what it is you can’t address the situation REALISTICALLY AND TRUTHFULLY … oh and Bush got it right . That isn’t even up for debate .. The facts and timeline and what has happened since prove that …No way else to spin that . Sent from my ZTE Sonata 4G, a Cricket 4G smartphone

        • Dominick Vila says:

          You retort implies that you are only worried about Muslim terrorists. Does that mean that Christian or Buddhist terrorists are OK? How about atheist or agnostic terrorists? Are they OK?

          • bikejedi says:

            Here we go with that silly inane talking point …Show me where the Christian Terrorists are ? And those peaceful Buddhists running around be heading Muslims …show me that …You people are crazy trying to compare anyone else on the Planet to Muslim Terrorists …its inane and stupid
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          • Dominick Vila says:

            Nobody is excusing or ignoring the threat posed by terrorist organizations such as ISIS and Al Qaeda. In fact, President Obama has done more to weaken Al Qaeda, by killing its leader and several of its lieutenants, than W ever did. That’s the difference between objective focus on an enemy and slash and burn policies that only radicalize people.
            The ISIS terrorists are former Iraqi Sunni government and military officials, removed from office by the Bush Administration and replaced with Shiites aligned to Iran. We are now dealing with what your hero created.

          • bikejedi says:

            Obama got Bin Laden Bush decimated Al Qaeda before he left office …Obama toned it down and has allowed them to grow again
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          • Dominick Vila says:

            Bush did not decimate Al Qaeda, he destroyed a relatively prosperous, pro-Western country, de-stabilized the entire Persian Gulf region by removing Saddam and the Sunni Baathists from, putting in place a Shiite regime aligned spiritually to Iran, and presiding over a purge that forced 2 million Sunnis to leave their homeland to save their lives. One of the most dramatic consequences of that obtuse policy was the emergence of ISIL.
            Iraq was a fairly stable country, by Middle Eastern standards, before we became involved after Saddam’s decision to invade Kuwait, and the eventual invasion of that country. What we did there, ostensibly for political and economic reasons, is not something to be proud of, and its long term consequences include the radicalization of people who had been trading and dealing with us for many decades. Whether we call them terrorists, radicals, extremists or any of the other epithets we normally use is a matter of semantics that only help hide one of the worst foreign policy blunders in U.S. history.

          • bikejedi says:

            Oh and you are dealing with Civil war in Iraq because Obama took everyone out of there leaving a power vacuum which Bush warned against way back in 2007 …the same thing the Pentagon and the Intel Community also warned about . Seems they all had a better vision of International policy and they were ALL SMARTER then the Community Organizer Sent from my ZTE Sonata 4G, a Cricket 4G smartphone

          • bikejedi says:

            This is the type of rhetoric being fed to liberals from their leaders … judging by the comments of the liberals here you have all bought in … So I have to ask did their religion have EVERYTHING to do with their Muslim Terrorist attack or do you believe this twit …http://therightscoop.com/this-was-not-a-religious-crime-u-s-attorney-defends-islam-after-tzarnaev-sentencing/

          • Dominick Vila says:

            There is nothing in the Qu’ran that encourages or condones acts of terrorism, or violence against innocent people. Terrorist or ideological extremists are determined to attack Westerners because they believe their culture is being attacked by infidels, because they believe we are exploiting their resources, and because they don’t want us anywhere near their Holy sites. None of us condone what they did on 9/11, or before or after that criminal act. We simply believe that there are more effective ways to solve this crisis than the slash and burn policies of the past.

          • bikejedi says:

            Oh come on Dom …Don’t lie for them now …The Quran commands its followers to convert and or kill ANYONE who doesn’t believe in the Pedophile slave owner and Allah …Further it commands them to be purposefully deceitful in the promotion or protection of Islam …Why are you LYING ? You know thus stuff …if not Google it Sent from my ZTE Sonata 4G, a Cricket 4G smartphone

          • Dominick Vila says:

            Bear in mind that one of the prophets venerated by Islam is none other than Jesus Christ.
            Don’t confuse the misinterpretations or distortions of the Qu’ran by sponsors of terrorism, with what the Qu’ran says and what most Muslims believe.

            [Quran 5:87] … and do not aggress; GOD dislikes the aggressors.

            [Quran: 7:199] ……You shall resort to pardon, advocate tolerance, and disregard the ignorant.

            [Quran 6:151] “…… You shall not kill – GOD has made life sacred –
            except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that
            you may understand.”

            [Quran17:33] “You shall not kill any person – for GOD has made life sacred – except in the course of justice. …..”

            [Quran 5:32] “……, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone
            who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous
            crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who
            spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people.
            …………..”

            [Quran 2:256] “There shall be no compulsion in religion…”.

            [Quran 60:8]”GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not
            fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You
            may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the
            equitable.”

            [Quran 8:61]”If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.”

            [Quran 4:90]”…… Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from
            fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight
            them.”

          • bikejedi says:

            Yes the Quran also says some wonderful things …In the passages you posted how do you know it just isn’t the Quran being purposefully deceitful in the promotion and protection of Islam because that is also one of their chief tenets . Also there history shows their version of God is much much different then the Bible or the Torah
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          • Dominick Vila says:

            Bear in mind that I am not a religious person. For me, the concept of God has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible, the Torah, the Qu’ran or any other religious text written to expedite the conversion of pagans to organized religion, and to take advantage of the superstitions and ignorance of the masses to control them and exploit them. When it comes to God – not the prophets venerated by each religion – there is no difference.

          • bikejedi says:

            Dom I disagree . I think an omnipotent God would be benevolent and Allah seems nothing like that
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        • charleo1 says:

          It’s unfortunate, but you just don’t get it. What I’m, “spewing,” is
          actually an intolerance for intolerance. Which also turns out to be an excellent way to discourage the radicalization of Muslim youth by groups like ISIS. Not only throughout the Mid East, but also thru a very extensive web recruitment effort here, and in Europe. Which you ignorantly characterize as proof of President Obama’s affinity for the enemy. Which is pretty un-American, in my book. And you base this on all kinds of wild accusations about Obama’s supposed manipulation of the Egyptian elections, his support of Hamas rocket attacks, because he urged Israeli restraint, and his alleged denials of Israel’s Right to self defense. I’m embarrassed for you. As I said, you just don’t get it. And how could you, if you’re stating the truth as best you know it to be, and obviously, don’t know any better? Perhaps you should talk to those Muslim friends of yours, and see if they can enlighten you. As the common denominator of all extremism, irrespective of it’s source, is the ignorance that must be present for the radicalization to take place. In order to paint the whole for the actions of a few. Which is what Pam Geller, and a few of our own extremists are doing for here. And for profit no less! But at what cost to the lives of our troops, and the security of the Country? The thing that is the most troubling about Geller, and her ilk, is they could not care less. This is what the President, and the men, and women who are charged with fighting extremism, and keeping the Country safe, are faced with. ISIS claims we, the West, represent the Great Satan. That the infidel Christians are now demonizing all Muslims as terrorists, so as to kill them for their land, take their oil wealth, and eliminate their faith. And here’s the deal, if you were a young, poor, uneducated, Arab sitting on a fence in Gaza, or the Anbar Provence somewhere, observing. What might you think of Bush’s invasion of Iraq? On false pretenses. A sovereign country, who played no part in the 9/11 attacks. But has lots of oil, and Muslims to kill? What might you be talked into believing about ISIS, or Al Qaeda’s, confronting this new Crusade against Islam from the West, if you were a young unemployed Muslim on the East side of Detroit, as you looked at the pictures taken at Abu Ghraib? Would you think your Country’s motives were strictly about terrorism, and National security? Or about subjugating, and hating Muslims? That’s on Bush, my friend. The World is not safer. We are not safer as a Nation, for the invasion of Iraq. Iran was empowered. So, here’s your timeline. The instability, and civil war in Syria, aggravated by the invasion, has given space in a weaken Syria for the rise of extremist groups like ISIS. Who’s ranks have been filled with ex-baathists out of Saddam Hussain’s governmental infrastructure, and his military Bush took down in 2003. The insurgency the Bush Administration evidently never seen coming, they spent the remainder of his Presidency fighting. As the situation the Bush Administration’s decisions created in 2003, devolved into a sectarian civil war, that goes on to this day. Both inside Iraq, Syria, and beyond. As Saudi backed, Al Qaeda insurgent fighters stream into the area. First to fight the Infidel’s invasion. (That’s us.) Then, the newly installed Shia Government, George Bush had set up in Iraq. Which predictably brought Iran into the fight in great numbers, to defend their new allies provided to them by the guy who according to you, got it exactly right. And why Obama should have kept us fighting, and dying in the middle of this this, their religious war, on the side of Iran, for Pete’s sakes! As long as it takes. Whatever, “it,” is. Look, the bottom line is, if you care about anything other than buying into hate, you’ll educate yourself as what is really going on, in our fight against extremist driven ideology, and the existential threat it poses for attacks within our own borders. And why people like Pam Geller make that much harder for everyone.

          • bikejedi says:

            It is silly to suppose that shoeing Empathy would stop any Muslim from deciding to go Terrorist …How and why do you think that would work .These people aren’t influenced on whether you are showing sensitivity to them or their faith . They are being influenced by the other Muslims around them . That argument is just silly ..use some common sense and put yourself in the shoes of say a 24 yr old in Syria …Do you think he cares what liberals in America feel ..Do you think he makes his decisions to become radical because of you ? That is silly and inane . No the real reason behind Obamas rhetoric and agenda is to get liberals like you to use these same silly talking points and for you to feel it is your fault radical Islam exists …That is so silly it ignores the Quran their religious ideology their culture and their history of carrying out Allah’s wishes . And now you are trying to say Pam Gellers heart and mind in regards to all Muslims …That is just plain idiotic ..I think she believes like most common sense people in the world believe ( even Liberals in Europe ) and that is that Radical Islam exists ….these aren’t extremists …they are Muslim Terrorists …they hate everyone else and want to kill you …As far as the rest of your rant we are all going to be much less secure as a global community with ISIS running all over and Obama funding Iran’s Nuke program …look the Saudis have already let it be known that they will build Nukes if Iran does and the UAR and Jordan won’t be far behind …and that is on Obama and Hillary
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          • charleo1 says:

            Pam Geller says she believes Barack Obama is the love child of Malcolm X. She’s as big a nut, and bigot, as we have in this Country. As much of a general nutbag as that guy who is burning Qurans and putting the act on U-tube. Which is then displayed prominently on ISIS websites all across the World. As profound a hater as is found in any White Supremacist organization. Or the homophobic idiots at Westboro Baptist. All represent the price we all pay as a civilized society for free speech in this Country. My question is who’s side are they on?

          • bikejedi says:

            Well who really knows who the baby daddy was or is . And I think you missed the whole point of the exercise which was to show that this is America and we don’t have to bend to Sharia …Liberal logic …Drawing Muhammed = offensive …viciously smearing Jesus = artistic …. look as Americans we have freedom of speech …if Muslims live here they need to be able to deal with that …Islam and Muslims are the only ones who respond to a slight with a Terrorist attack …You are blaming the victims instead of the Terrorists…Do you even realize how wrong that is ? Now Liberals in Europe did the same thing and when Muslims staged a Terrorist attack in response their liberals called them what they are …Muslim Terrorists …then they gave them a freedom of speech award …The same American Liberals who didn’t blast the Hebdo people because they were liberals love to blast Geller for doing the same thing …You people are hypoctites
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          • charleo1 says:

            You doubt that a general ignorance is required for radicalization?
            There were two people. Count them. Two, would be terrorists that drove from AZ. to show up in Garland TX over the, “cartoon contest.” While thousands of Muslims in the local area, just let it pass. What was the purpose of the contest? To test the legality of drawing the image in the United States of America? Oh those brave Patriots! What personal risks they take to protect our freedoms! In a pigs eye! A gratuitous slap at the Muslim religion, and Muslims in general? A little we hate all of you, and we just wanted you to know party. Who won the damn thing anyway?Who cares, right?

          • bikejedi says:

            No the purpose was to show this is America and we are not going to live in fear of Muslim Terrorists …That we are not going to bend our first amendment because of their threats …That we aren’t going to live in fear of MuslimTerrorists Sent from my ZTE Sonata 4G, a Cricket 4G smartphone

          • bikejedi says:

            No the purpose was to show this is America and we are not going to live in fear of Muslim Terrorists …That we are not going to bend our first amendment because of their threats …That we aren’t going to live in fear of MuslimTerrorists Sent from my ZTE Sonata 4G, a Cricket 4G smartphone

          • charleo1 says:

            Are you, “people?” Are you influenced by what others say about you? Are not Muslims people, and as such share that with the entire human race? Of course they are influenced by what they hear. Some more than others. And that’s the point.
            If you want a big war with the 2 billion Muslims around the World, say so. Pam Geller, and her ilk should say so. If we want
            to win the war against extremism, what the POTUS says, and how he characterizes our war on terrorism is very important.

          • bikejedi says:

            If you think they are concerned in the middle east whether or not we are showing them empathy you are entirely naive .Also Islam views appeasement as weakness so any sympathy you show them would only embolden them …I will show them respect when they disavow whole segments of their Quran and prove over time they are peaceful …Right now some are some are not
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          • charleo1 says:

            This I know. If it was up to you, you’d have the entire Muslim World inflamed, before you were satisfied they given up enough of their Holy Book to cause you to reign in your hatred of what you don’t understand. There would undoubtedly be a huge war. Thousands, maybe millions would die. Maybe the entire human race would be exterminated before it was finally done. You keep talking about me as a Liberal, and what, “they’ve,” infused me with. How about we’ve been here before? We’ve seen what radicalization is. What extremism does to both sides when allowed to run it’s course. And we also know how to diffuse it. And you don’t get it, And it’s also why you, and the Right have been so consistently dead wrong about dealing with it. It all comes from the same place. Where you get your attitudes on minorities, immigrants, the poor, and people who don’t view the World in the same black and white, for us or against us, terms. A knee jerk reaction of, we’re right, you’re wrong. And the World will agree, or we’ll beat them into submission. Exactly the same mindset as ISIS has in their black/white, with us, or we’ll cut your head off, prone to violence. mentality. The World is getting too small for dinosaurs.

          • bikejedi says:

            It seems I understand them better then you . I don’t hate them I despise Muslim Terrorism and the fact their Quran and their teachings promote this …Especially in people who view the Quran literally ..When Obama gets done giving Iran a Nuke maybe the entire human race will be exterminated…its not looking good for us .Let me ask you a simple question ? Is the World going to be safer or exponentially more dangerous when Iran gets their Allah Bomb ? And what are you talking about radicalizing both sides ????Who in America is getting radicalized besides Muslims or people who have no sense of family and want to join ISIS to be part of one ? And we in the right know how to deal with them and that will become apparent real soon judging by the way Obama us letting these groups grow …We will have to reckon with them and labeling them simple extremists belies who and what they are
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          • charleo1 says:

            What’s this nuttery about Obama giving Iran the bomb? You forget, there are 5 other Countries involved in the talks. Most of them our staunch allies. They are also complicit in giving them the Allah Bomb too I suppose? Then, there’s what would Tom
            Cotton do? Tell me that dude’s not a radicalized something or
            the other. So it’s troops back on the ground in Iraq, and Syria that Obama must do to prove he’s not a sympathetic Muslim?
            Is that the story they’re pushing? Well, he asked 2 months ago
            for Congress to give him permission to carry the fight against
            ISIS forward. So far, they’re not too interested in getting back with an answer. With both Houses run by Right Wingers, and the President asking for permission, and money. It takes money. That’s the problem, money. Talk is really cheap, their finger prints would be on it, and if it fails, it’s 100% Obama’s baby.
            I’ll leave you with a little verse from our own King James edition.
            Which is, according to many of the same zealots that are now bashing the Quran for it’s violence, and the literal interpretation
            of it by Muslim extremists. Here’s ours:
            When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely DESTROY them! Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don’t let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)

          • bikejedi says:

            Call what Obama is doing what you want but with Iran dictating the terms and with Obama having given up any and all of his negotiating leverage what do you think is going to happen .Obama started out saying no Nukes ever and now he is saying no Nuke for ten years while Iran is saying they won’t allow inspections on their Military sites and they announced to the world that the agreement means full implementation of their Nuke program …Then they chanted Death to America . The rest of the World is not in denial like most of Obamas liberals . They don’t trust him ( and with good reason ) and they know he gave up all of his leverage . You will find out a very hard liberal lesson if an agreement is reached and 4 or 5 other Countries all immediately start building their own bombs to keep pace . Obama doesn’t want to fight ISIS and if he did Congress would be right behind that ..What he wants is more money don’t confuse that with a will or determination to fight and destroy ISIS …oh and great I see you can cite the bible when it fits your propaganda but ignore the Quran …Now the difference is that Christians aren’t going around beheading people and burning them alive if you are not a Christian ..Islam is doing that …Christians are civilized and a lot of Muslims are not …those that are not CITE literal interpretations of their Quran …it is their religion their ideology their culture and they have proven that for centuries why won’t liberals deal with that reality . Why do you make excuses for them Sent from my ZTE Sonata 4G, a Cricket 4G smartphone

          • charleo1 says:

            You trust ISIS, a gang of thugs, and thieves to be truthful, but not Iran? Not the man your fellow Americans elected twice to deal with them, But are willing to allow the worse of humanity, numbering a few thousand, to stand as representatives for more than 2 billion Muslims. Who’s Holy Book you call violent,
            But ignore the Christian Holy scripture’s calls for basically the same violence. And I’m full of Liberal propaganda. And you’re a
            uncorrupted, straight thinker. You say what suits your politics, whether it makes sense is irrelevant. Obama doesn’t want to fight? I say, thank God this time we have a President who doesn’t want to fight anyone. And the American public is fine with war being a last resort, and not a first choice, as well. In case you haven’t noticed, the public is not in approval of ground troops in Syria, or returning in large number to Iraq. So, how is it you believe it would go down, if say, Tom Cotton was President? Surely he’s itching for a fight? So what do you think Congress would pitch in and do for him? I’m not spewing propaganda, I’m asking what do think the GOP would do about the situation? So far they’ve just run their mouths, trying to talk tough, and be as unhelpful as possible. Look, when I sited the Bible, I didn’t make the verse up, There are a ton of such verses calling for slaughter. It is what it is. Says what it says. I didn’t propagandize anything. When Christians that claim the Bible is the literal word of God, then call the Qu’an a violence filled book. Or bash Muslins who read it literally as extremists. The pots need to stop calling the kettle black. I assume you are interested in being correct. So let’s be correct.

          • bikejedi says:

            Yes they are both groups of Muslims Terrorists …ISIS has shown they are on Holy Jihad and they can be trusted to continue …I trust Iran to continue to build their bomb and try to achieve their stated goal of wiping Israel off the map and of course Death to America …I Trust then to continue to lie to Obama and tell him whatever he wants to hear …He will sell the deal to liberals telling them Iran has agreed to this or that when they won’t even agree to open inspections …They will get their signing bonus from Obama and Obama will tell liberals everything is peachy …liberals will continue to repeat whatever talking point lie Obama feeds you until Iran unleashes a Nuke …Then somehow you will blame that on Bush if you are still around . Obama has proven through time he is a liar who can’t he trusted and that he is self serving …Even most liberals get that so no I don’t trust him …Do you like your insurance ? ..Do you like your Dr ? Did you buy that a You Tube Video caused Benghazi ???????…So no …no one who is paying attention and dealing in reality trusts Obama . You point out the bible and I already showed you that there are no Christians carrying that out because they evolved and are civilized while large swaths of Islam does follow their teachings …big differences. .That is what is correct so for you to try to compare Christians to Muslims is very unfair . By the way don’t think I don’t get your broader point but the comparison is unfair
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          • charleo1 says:

            Again you want to make this all about Obama. Kind of got an Obama obsession it seems? Consistently unbalanced. Listen to Fox much? Hannity, O’Reilly? They’re both like a broken record. Obama lies, Benghazi, Benghazi!! It depends on who one is paying attention to, reality, or Fixed News. It’s obvious you’re being misinformed, and played here, my friend. Sorry.

          • bikejedi says:

            Im not the one who isnt dealing in reality and my views are based in fact logic and common sense …That is why I can call the Islamic State ..Muslim Terrorists and you just can’t do that because Obama told you they are extremists and you would rather repeat his lies and not deal with ISIS factually .See how that works …So no one is using me but Obama is using you . And no Obama is not responsible for Muslim Terrorism they are . Obama is responsible for letting them grow and spread … I only pointed out Obama in regards to his lying and being untrustworthy because you asked if I trusted him . I said hell no and explained why . Anyway I’m about to bust out about 40 miles on the bike …You have a great afternoon Sent from my ZTE Sonata 4G, a Cricket 4G smartphone

          • bikejedi says:

            this is the kind of nonsense rhetoric you get from the left and their leaders … Where a Muslim Terrorist attack had nothing to do with their religious ideology . Why it’s as if they didn’t do it for Allah right ??? Now I ask do you believe this had nothing to do with his religion or that it wasn’t a Jihad ?http://therightscoop.com/this-was-not-a-religious-crime-u-s-attorney-defends-islam-after-tzarnaev-sentencing/

          • charleo1 says:

            The extremist ideology has as little to with their Muslim religion, or faith, as the Nazi genocide of the Jews had to do with Christianity. Don’t give haters, seeking power, the advantage of cloaking their atrocities in the legitimacy of a world religion. The President doesn’t. And in that, he is exactly correct.

          • bikejedi says:

            I’m not letting them cloak their atrocities in the legitimacy of world religion I am telling the truth about Islam their religious ideology what their Quran teaches and commands their culture their society and their history of violence against the rest of the world . The President makes excuses for them and wants liberals to repeat the lie that their actions have nothing to do with Islam which is a lie and is stupidly naive counterproductive and insane Sent from my ZTE Sonata 4G, a Cricket 4G smartphone

          • charleo1 says:

            Sure you are. You’re allowing mass murderers to falsely cloak their action in a World religion. And you’re also letting them radicalize you against other Americans. Which, I’ll guarantee you, is the intention. To divide Americans by religious, ethic, and political affiliation, by the hatred of their words, and the cruelty of their provocations. Which they claim are pure Islamic. They are liars, and murderers the vast majority of Muslims don’t support. So why are you believing them? When exactly no one is making excuses for them. Nor should we play the fools for them either. America’s reputation against terrorism is clear. And needs no such hateful exhibitions as was promoted by Geller in TX. Which runs contrary to, and demeans the values upon which our culture of justice, and democracy was founded. Namely, we don’t punish people for their religious beliefs. And we don’t condemn an entire group for the acts of a few that claim affiliation. Unless you’re willing to let the worst of the worst of humanity, drag you down into the ideological gutter with them?

          • bikejedi says:

            Falsely cloak their actions in a world religion ???? What are you talking about ??? When you stage Terrorist attacks all over the globe and wage holy Jihad in the name of Allah THEY ARE COMMITTING THEIR ACTS BASED ON THEIR RELIGION AND FOR THEIR ALLAH . What more proof do you need then them telling you they are doing that ?? Have all of you liberals lost all sense of reality ? Is the Obama propaganda and rhetoric working in the weak minded ? Do you have ANY common sense or ability to reason outside of liberal talking point ? When ISIS names themselves the Islamic State and tell you they are waging Holy Jihad for Allah and they tell you they are going to exterminate Christians. ..and then they go out and do that ….MAYBE YOU SHOULD BELIEVE THEM AND NOT OBAMA…No one is going to radicalize me as anything other then a fair person an American and a Patriot …Once again I know there are peaceful Muslims and the great majority of them DONT speak out against the ones that are Muslim Terrorists although unlike you some of the CAIR people blamed the Muslim Terrorists and said the same thing I have ….They said while what Geller did was offensive that should never be an excuse for violence . .I’m paraphrasing … Sent from my ZTE Sonata 4G, a Cricket 4G smartphone

          • charleo1 says:

            And you believe them because you know them to be honest? Or you choose to believe them because it suits you? That would be something I think should put to rest all the Obama propaganda crap. It was my opinion before I ever heard of Obama. And I agree with his tact of respecting the religious Rights of all people, by referring to these groups as violent extremist, with, as he stated, “Having nothing of value to offer mankind. As far as speaking out, many have, and continue to do so. Perhaps you aren’t listening? Or watching, as George Bush visited a Mosque directly after the 9/11 attacks to make the identical point. That the war on terrorists hailing from the Mid-East, claiming to be following the tenets of Islam, was not a war directed at Muslims, or their religion. There he stated the terrorist had not only highjacked airplanes, but the religion of Islam as well.

          • bikejedi says:

            Yes ISIS has been very honest …No reason not to trust them . They told you are Islamic …They told you they are waging Holy ( sic ) Jihad for Allah . They told you they want to form an Islamic Caliphate and then a World where everyone adheres to a strict 7th century sharia style of Islam . They tell you they want Death to America and they told you they will kill Christians …So far they are doing just that so why wouldn’t any sane person take them at their word ? For God Sakes are you even paying attention to what they are doing over there or are the News Outlets you watch just telling you they are simple extremists involved in tribal disputes …it has absolutely nothing to do with Islam ? Have all you people been brainwashed ? These are Muslim Terrorists doing what Muslim Terrorists have done throughout their history . Once again no one is saying all Muslims are evil or don’t have anything to contribute to the world …Those people seem to have enough common sense to ignore the portions of the Quran that command followers of Islam to Convert or Kill all non believers ..in summation …Why yes I trust ISIS …because they told you who they are what they are doing and they are carrying it out …Now don’t you trust them ?
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          • hicusdicus says:

            Why do you keep talking to that tree stump? What is it with this smart phone BS?

          • hicusdicus says:

            What ever happened to your smart phone announcement? This guy you are talking to is a weevil infested tree trunk. You must love misery. I find it hard to believe that a person who can turn on a computer an type can be that ignorant and stupid. we are doomed.

          • bikejedi says:

            I just love showing them how utterly absurd their positions are

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          • hicusdicus says:

            Did you have to go to a special school to get this stupid or were you born that way?

          • charleo1 says:

            And your Momma wears army boots! So there! Learn anything from that comment? Ditto with yours, Pal.

          • hicusdicus says:

            How did you know that?…….Stump

          • charleo1 says:

            You’re the one that can’t carry on an intelligent discussion. Anyone can name call. You engaged with me, remember?

        • 13observer says:

          WTF, why can’t we change names and titles? We do for say; “Global Warming” to “climate change” when it is unseasonably cool or from “illegal alien” to “undocumented immigrant” when the heat gets turned up on them after taxpayers are educated on the true EXPENSE of having them here. How about the name change from “communist” to “progressive”?

          • bikejedi says:

            I agree whole heartedly…they can change name but a zebra can’t change its stripes
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      • 13observer says:

        Rednecks with guns keep all Muslims honest and “law-abiding”!

        • charleo1 says:

          I hold rednecks with guns more dangerous to the ones around them, on the roads with them, or otherwise in the path of one of their liquor fueled, Country twanged, rampages. Than just about anything else I can imagine. They can’t keep themselves honest and law abiding.

          • 13observer says:

            That’s because you re one of those “low information” voters with communist tendencies. I pity your ignorance! One thing is for sure; NO ONE is going to take our freedom because guns prevent that from happening.. so sorry to you. The only thing extremists will radicalize here is their a** full of buckshot!

          • charleo1 says:

            I know! Such ignoramuses, it’s a scandal really. One thing that’s always puzzled me though. If it’s guys like you who are protecting all our freedoms. Then, why are we wasting a trillion dollars a year buying the military all the really good stuff? The biggest guns, attack helicopters, killer drones, and those laser guided bombs. And for the freedom fighters like you? Buckshot.

          • hicusdicus says:

            Wow, you are blindingly ignorant. But I guessed that when I first read one of you comments

          • charleo1 says:

            Well that’s too easy. I’m ignorant remember? Tell me why my comment is. I thought that’s why we spent almost a trillion dollars a year on the military, while our bridges are falling down,
            and and our airports are starting to look Banana Republic. So they protect our freedoms. Then he said, “No one is going to take my freedom as long as I have my shotgun.” So, what’s the military for? Who’s he protecting his freedom from, was my question. I thought it was a logical question that might save us a ton of money!

          • hicusdicus says:

            Do you really know what a red neck is? I don’t think you do. You are prejudice against people who you think are below your qualifications.

          • charleo1 says:

            It was simply a really inane response to a really stupid assertion. All the rednecks I know have a hard enough time keeping their heads above water, without having to keep, “all Muslims honest and law abiding.” I mean really!

          • hicusdicus says:

            The tree stump talks………….

      • hicusdicus says:

        Bush got it wrong but Obama does not seem to get any of it. The reason they will not win the presidency is they do not have a decent candidate. Hillary is the worst person in the country to govern the US but if the GOP runs Jeb Bush I will vote for Hillary in hopes of escalating the collapse of this country. Maybe if it collapses it will have gained the wisdom to start over correctly. At least there wont be any more anti gun people.

        • charleo1 says:

          Suppose Hillary would have won the ’08 nomination, and beat McCain, and served two terms. And Obama then the natural choice, won the nomination for ’16. What are the odds of you saying the same thing? Only reversing the names. Hillary does not seem to get it. But Obama would be the crappest ever! Reality is, there was a lot of energy created by that ’08 primary in the Democratic Party, to put Hillary in the White House after Obama. The same energy that has elected Obama twice, will elect Hillary Clinton next fall, unless Republicans do a lot less saying why Hillary would be the worst choice ever. And start saying a lot more of about why they would be a better one. Stop depending on finding some sandal about Clinton Foundation they can’t prove. And Benghazi, which they’ve already beat to death. And figure out what to agree on to say about the Iraq War for starters. If they oppose, or support the Patriot Act. What is their plan to deal with the spread of ISIS? Besides agreeing there should be something about Islam being the root cause of the problem. Like deploying troops, or no troops, or arming more rebels, or just getting out altogether.

    • 1standlastword says:

      Sounds like your bike rides have resulted in too much high level exposure to carbon monoxide. Don’t have any children!

    • Dominick Vila says:

      What “liberals” are saying is that instead of casting an entire culture, or all Muslims, as potential terrorists is an ineffective policy that is likely to make it harder for us to identify potential threats.
      Nobody is denying that ISIL/ISIS, Al Qaeda, and all the other terrorist groups are a threat to our interests. The point of this article, I believe, is that there are more effective ways to deal with them than worry about every person who wears a veil or prays 5 times a day.

      • bikejedi says:

        No one is saying that all Muslims are Terrorists but it is ridiculously naive and immature to try to label Muslim Terrorists as simple extremists ..These ate religious ideologues who kill for Allah to deny that is childish and just an attempt by the left to make people not deal in reality as to Islam but to try to program people to believe this is not their ideology …Who are you looking for Muslim Terrorists or just extremists …because it is going to be a whole lot of fun when we just look for extremists instead of looking for Muslim Terrorists Sent from my ZTE Sonata 4G, a Cricket 4G smartphone

        • Dominick Vila says:

          Terrorists are, by definition, extremists.

          • bikejedi says:

            Sure but to label Muslim Terrorists as simple extremists forgives the fact they are committing their acts for Allah based on the Quran . It is Liberal double speak designed not to be factual but make people think the way Obama wants then to ..It is a lie that is counterproductive to having honest dialogue on how to end Muslim Terrorism . Even Europe’s liberals understand that
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          • hicusdicus says:

            You can’t have honest dialog with someone who wants to destroy you.

          • bikejedi says:

            I totally agree with that

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          • bikejedi says:

            Sure but to label Muslim Terrorists as simple extremists forgives the fact they are committing their acts for Allah based on the Quran . It is Liberal double speak designed not to be factual but make people think the way Obama wants then to ..It is a lie that is counterproductive to having honest dialogue on how to end Muslim Terrorism . Even Europe’s liberals understand that
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          • hicusdicus says:

            The only way to end Muslim terrorists is to rewrite the Koran and we know that won’t happen.

          • bikejedi says:

            Totally agree …or maybe if Muslims showed over time they were ignoring the passages that command them to convert or kill all non believers of Allah …Of course that would mean they would have to become civilized
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      • hicusdicus says:

        I personalty think a big part of Islam would take off their veils and burn their prayer rugs if they could do so safely. Islam is the living example of the rich and powerful grinding the poor and ignorant under the butt of their rifle.

  4. Dominick Vila says:

    The main impediment to peaceful coexistence is the extremism of the positions taken by both sides. There is no possibility for pragmatic dialogue when both sides engage in partisan accusations, generalizations; and mistrust is the norm.
    The sad reality is that neither side is interested in a peaceful solution, because of the impact it would have on the ability of the special interests that are determined to keep the status quo alive. Terrorist groups depend on Iraq-style retaliation to exist, and we need extreme violence to justify invasions and interference in the internal affairs of other nations. Until cool heads emerge on both sides, violence will prevail.

    • bcarreiro says:

      true that.

    • hicusdicus says:

      The impediment to peaceful coexistence is greed, power and human nature. Isn’t it great that the democrat’s don’t bow to any special interest groups.

      • Dominick Vila says:

        Our Democratic President, and the GOP-controlled Congress, are now trying to deal with the mess we inherited.
        Greed, power, human nature – and ideology – are, indeed, the elements that influence social unrest, war, and have prevented peaceful coexistence throughout the course of history. The problem is that we cannot erase what we have done to others by suddenly pretending to be the nice guys. There are consequences to our actions, and we are now feeling them first hand.

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