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14 responses to “Overheard Down At The VFW”

  1. ObozoMustGo says:

    And now…. The REAL Cartoon Of The Day!

    Have a nice day!

    “A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.” — George Bernard Shaw

    • tobyspeeks says:

      A government who robs from its people and blames it on the people should die a quick but painful death.

      • ObozoMustGo says:

        Couldn’t agree more… the DemonRATS have been robbing from the people for ever, and getting away with it by promising others that they will bestow the wealth of those from whom they stole onto those whom did not earn it, so long as the tax takers keep on voting for DemonRATS.

        Have a nice day!

        “Santa Claus is not a cure for poverty. All it is is a way to buy votes. That’s why Democrats want amnesty. See, the Democrat needs a permanent underclass. They need a certain level of poverty. They need an uneducated, hopeless, unskilled people to vote for them. That’s their base.” – Rush Limbaugh

        • Michael Kollmorgen says:

          Latest figures;

          The Top 10% now own roughly 90% of the country’s wealth.

          90% of our citizens is left with only 10% of our nation’s wealth.

          40% and growing of that 90% is in semi-permanent to permanent Poverty.

          And, guess what is the most used form of currency in this country? Monopoly Money! More Monopoly Money is used than the American Dollar Bill.

          Use this as a pure analogy. The Real Money goes to the top 10% and the funny money, our nation’s wealth, goes to the rest of us as our country was originally intended to operate.

          Average Joe Blow Working Stiff NEVER HAD A CHANCE!

          This is the way our country is designed to function. As long as we have Capitalism as a model to run this country on, it will never change and only get worse over time.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            MK… you demonstrate a stunning lack of understanding about the way economics works, as well as a wide-eyed fanatical committment to the old Marxist cliches of class warfare. As though the economy is a fixed pie and that for one person to gain, another must lose. NOTHING could be further from reality.

            Socialism ALWAYS fails because it requires coercion of human beings, who never really can be coerced, not en masse, at least. Your thoughts are your own, your labor is your own, and therefore the production of your thoughts and labor are also your own. No government policy or political ideology can ever change that. Only a fool thinks otherwise. Consider this…. in which systems is the so-called “wealth-gap” the greatest? In socialist systems, of course. In those systems, the only wealthy people are the rulers while everyone else lives in abject poverty and misery. Why do you think they have walls around socialist countries and don’t let their people out? Meanwhile, in capitalist countries, people are free to come and go.

            Capitalism recognizes the freedom of mankind to make their own decisions and pursue their own best interests. The interesting component of capitalism is that for anyone to achieve any success, it requires that they serve the needs of others first. Further, in free market systems, innovation and entrepreneurship are what drive the economy and human progress, not politicians or governments. Human creativity and ingenuity can never be controlled, but they can be stifled by overbearing governments. Clearly, free market economics has lifted more people from poverty than has any other system ever devised. The very tools you use to communicate with me are here because of that free market and human creativity. And by the way, the whole “wealth gap” issue is completely irrelevant. It’s a Marxist straw man argument. Most of the rest of the people in this world, especially those living in socialist countries or those run by tyrants, would consider poor people in the US to be rich. It’s the bounty of capitalism that provides for the sloth of the rest of America and the politicians that enslave them in dependency.

            There’s a new book out that I would highly recommend for you, Mike. Go get “Knowledge and Power” by George Gilder. You’ll learn something. I guarantee it.

            Have a nice day, Mike!

            “The most important single central fact about a free market is that no exchange takes place unless both parties benefit.” –
            Milton Friedman

          • Michael Kollmorgen says:

            I walk a different path than you do and look at our situation from a different perspective.

            In reality, we’re all the same and we’re all in this crap the same way in one way or the other.

            I firmly believe that capitalism, in and of itself, is inherently evil and breeds greed, especially if it is unregulated and uncontrolled.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Mike… what is greed? Are politicians NOT greedy? Is it greedy to want to keep the fruits of your own labor, but not greedy to demand others turn over the fruits of their labor for your benefit? Which of those 2 scenarios more closely approximates your definition of greed? I don’t get this obsession of the left with greed. I don’t actually think it’s greed, per se, but is instead one’s own jealousy at another’s accomplishments couched as a concern for this nebulous, indefinable term “greed.” And as I laid out above, if there is a definition of greed, certainly the one demanding that others cough up their rightfully earned income for the demandor’s benefit (ie. votes and power) would most assuredly fit that definition far better than the one who seeks to keep what is his to begin with.

            And what is it with you guys on the left presupposing that if one supports a free market, that must mean they want no regulation? Regulation is necessary because it forms the rule of law, provided it’s stable and applicable to all equally. We have nothing like that now. We have a power hungry bureacracy serving it’s own interests to grow by increasing the demands placed on businesses, especially politically disfavored industries. And certainly if you had an idea to make a better mousetrap and wanted to manufacture it here in the US, you’d know what us business people know about regualtions. And you’d understand quite a bit better why so much of our manufacturing goes oversees to more friendly environments.

            Go get that book I recommended. Gilder explains freedom and economics within the context of the influence of information theory. It’s a bit technical in some respects, but not so much that an average person cannot understand his points.

            Have a nice day!

            “There is all the difference in the world, however, between two kinds of assistance through government that seem superficially
            similar: first, 90 percent of us agreeing to impose taxes on ourselves in order to help the bottom 10 percent, and second, 80 percent voting to impose taxes on the top 10 percent to help the bottom 10 percent — William Graham Sumner’s famous example of B and C decided what D shall do for A. The first may be wise or unwise, an effective or ineffective way to help the disadvantaged — but it is consistent with belief in both equality of opportunity and liberty. The second seeks equality of outcome and is entirely antithetical to liberty.” – Milton Friedman

          • Michael Kollmorgen says:

            I’ve never said and I never will say that earning a good living, supporting your family and getting the things you want to be comfortable was wrong. Absolutely Not!

            This is one of the basic goals of everyone’s lives no matter where you live, what walk of life you live.

            BUT, some people legally steal, call it what you will, take way more than they need from the people who don’t have enough, don’t have the opportunities some people have access to.

            I’m sorry, but this country, its laws, regulations, the way business is conducted, again, call it what you will, is tilted upwards towards the top 10% of our society.

            Our country was designed from its first day to function this way. This country was never designed for the average person on the street.

            Unregulated and uncontrolled Capitalism is the root cause of this all. It is pure evil and as such must be destroyed.

            My ONLY worry is what would replace it. Eventually, it will fall. It’s just a matter of time. As I’ve said before, the French didn’t tolerate it, the greedy part of wealth accumulation that is, for very long. The British didn’t either.

            Cross your fingers, your toes, your balls – whatever. Call it Revolution, Civil war – I don’t care. We will be next! The People of this country will rise up and destroy it sooner or later.

            And, our government knows this is coming. They’re running scared. Ever notice all of these surveillance systems that are being installed along our highways? This is a great indicator of what is to come.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Mike, capitalism works because it is the economic essence of human freedom. Free people making free choices in a free market system. You have been mislead and tricked into thinking that human freedom is a bad thing. Mostly by those who are the destroyers themselves, politicians and government bureaucrats seeking power and control.

            You are also dead wrong that the US was set up for the top 10%. That’s utter nonsense and anyone who can think knows this is not true. Case in point in your own life: I will bet you my house that you know at least 1 person that you grew up with who was poor or lower middle class that became a huge financial success later in life. The truth is that your cliche of America being for the top 10% is based upon 2 lies:

            1) the economic pie is fixed and for one to gain, another must lose; and

            2) Who makes up the top 10% never changes, but instead they are insulated making all the laws to prevent someone else from getting their piece of the fixed pie

            And those lies are so easily debunked by your own vision in your own life that you should not be so gullible. Was Bill Gates from a rich family? What about Jobs? NO! Neither of them were. In fact, neither one graduated college. They are the extreme, but the reality is that there are millions who have come from nothing to build businesses from nothing but common sense and long years of hard ass work that most people aren’t willing to do. And many have done it in the face of racial or other forms of discrimination and what ever other road blocks were placed in front of them. What has always made America great is that we do not have a class system and anyone that wants to try to make it can. No restrictions. My God, Mike, Obozo is a half and half from a single mom and he’s the damned President!!!!!! If that isn’t evidence enough about the ability of ANYONE in America to make anything of themselves they desire, I don’t know what the hell is enough for you to see this.

            Is America perfect? No. But the ideals of America ARE perfect and what we should strive for. The opposite is tyranny. And make no mistake about it, tyranny can exist in a democratic society as easily as it can in an autocratic one.

            Will there be a civil war? I don’t see much of a way out of that scenario, but it’s not because some people are successful and some are not. The proletariat rising up against the bourgeois fantasty is just that… a fantasy. Instead, I see that as a likelihood precisely as a result of economic colllapse that is being orchestrated by the very politicians who promise you goodies, but cannot pay for them. It will be because our debt has run too large to aford the interest payments, and because the rest of the world will abandon the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency. Massive inflation and the inability to service the debt will bring this about, not Joe Sixpack having a yacht that you’re jealous about. You see, the piper must always be paid, and he will be paid by the US one way or another. And when he is, mass starvation will set in for a time, and the riots and civil war may begin. This will be exacerbated by those of us who are willing to die for our freedoms and our Constitution rather than be organized into a new form of tyranny and/or some other form of government that brings the US into some other organized country state controlled by politicians and bureaucrats. And believe me, Mike, there are at least 100 million Americans who think like I do.

            If you don’t like living in a police state, don’t vote for politicians that believe they must create one. I am telling you now, Mike, we are in the midst of a great political shift where more and more people are going to begin abandoning the old R vs. D mentality and recognize that, with minor exception, there is no difference between the 2. Both are culpable for the mess we are in. Instead, if you like liberty and freedom, you’re going to have to learn to think and evalutate candidates on that basis. If on the other hand, you like socialism and believe it’s lies about creation of some future utopia that will never come, then you can continue voting DemonRAT or progressive Republican.

            You and many others here in America need to break free of the old political R vs. D mentality. It’s done. Over. Kaput! You will see that I am right about this. In due time, you will see.

            Have a nice day, Mike!

            “The march of tyranny is so subtle that it goes unnoticed by those poor and timid souls who gladly trade their liberties for the false promises of security from the political class seeking to control them. It certainly is one of the great paradoxes of our time how a formerly great, free, and independent people are
            being transformed into a bunch of cowering wimps clamoring to be led, and provided for, by charlatans.” – ObozoMustGo

          • Michael Kollmorgen says:

            You are 100% correct!

            But, this is only true IF we live in a perfect world. We don’t.

            I could probably point to any number of situations where this perfect view has been corrupted by greedy people in powerful positions, not only in our government but in our corporate boardrooms.

            Yes, they do it legally and according to our system of laws (for the most part). But, that don’t make it right or just for the rest of us.

            Most of our elected officials were Lawyers first before they were elected to Congress. And, I think the vast majority of Corporate Heads are in the same boat.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Mike… there is no such thing as a perfect world. Classic American Liberalism (now called conservatism) developed a constitutional system based on the political philosophy that recognizes that men are fallable, that men in power tend to become corrupted. And they put together a system that sought to prevent those in power from gaining too much. This is why the Constitution has enumerated powers, the bill of rights, and is predominantly a document that prevents the federal government from doing the vast majority of what it does today. We live in a post constitutional republic and the rule of law is breaking down at the executive, legislative, and judicial levels. This is the source of that sinking feeling that many Americans have about our government. Now, our laws are basically whatever the President damn well feels like he will enforce and what he doesn’t feel like enforcing. The SCOTUS rewrites bills and creates law out of painful and convoluded stretches of reasoning. And Congress, feckless as they are, sit’s idly by happy to give away it’s authority so they can’t be blamed and instead get reelected to their little fiefdom with lifetime benefits, and people daily kissing their asses telling them how great they are and begging for favors. The whole damned thing has had the wheels come off. The only thing needed to keep that from happening was mostly virtuous leaders, with the corrupt scum thrown in here and there. But it’s the other way around now. Mostly scums with a few virtuous leaders scattered about.

            You are right. There is no perfect world because there are no perfect people. That includes the people who hold political office. The ONLY real way to insure the maximum prosperity and happiness is to let people be as free as possible, and operate and live within a framework of limited and stable laws that are applied fairly.

            Knowing what I have written above, let me ask you a question Mike…. If businesses did not need government, would they waste their money bribing politicians? Of course not. You see, the more government involvement in business, the more corruption we have because those businesses with the money will bribe the politicians to make laws that prevent competition from entering their market against them. Do you understand this? You guys on the left complain about big corporations and their influence on government out of one side of your mouth, then you demand more and more regulation by government out of the other side of your mouth. Mike, do you understand that the very thing you want more of is the cause of the very thing you decry? Do you? The plain fact is that more and more regulations don’t hurt the biggest companies, but instead insulate them against competition by raising the cost of entry into a given market or industry by new innovators seeking to eat their lunch. In other words, the regulations hurt the little guy the most. Is this starting to make sense to you? It should be.

            This brings up another point. This is another common boogie man of the left – the evil corporations. It’s simply not true. Those companies are made up of people just like you and me who have the same interests you and I do. I do understand your personal inclination to complain about what an executive is paid based upon some perception of yours that you know what’s best and what’s fair, but it doesn’t make it true. You believe too many cliches, Mike. It’s none of your business or mine what someone makes, unless you are an owner of the company. Then you have a say. Outside of that, who cares? If a business want’s to bankrupt itself by paying execs too much, then so be it. That’s their business. But that never really happens. And I can assure you that there have been countless times when a CEO has taken ZERO pay while working to save a company and paying employees. Many a small business owner pays their employees before they pay themselves when times are tight. And you know I am right. This phony, trumped up strawman bit about evil corporations is just that, phony. But their link to government and the corruption of that relationship is not phony. And that’s what I discussed above.

            Have a nice evening, Mike!

            “As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose–that it may violate property instead of protecting it–then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder.” ― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

          • Michael Kollmorgen says:

            “Knowing what I have written above, let me ask you a question Mike…. If businesses did not need government, would they waste their money bribing politicians? Of course not. You see, the more government involvement in business, the more corruption we have because those businesses with the money will bribe the politicians to make laws that prevent competition from entering their market against them. Do you understand this?”

            I’ve always understood this! In some business circles, that is normal operating procedures.

            Business shoots itself in its own foot every time by helping to enact laws that quash competition and innovation. Also, the government is forced to enact laws that protect the public interest from pollution, unfair labor practices, unequal pay and the like.

            So, business gets it from both sides; from their side, the greedy side and the public’s interests side.

            Also, I’ve never said a thing about Small Business. Though some of these are just as guilty of doing the same thing the big boys do.

            Unless they have something really on the ball, I honestly don’t see how a small business today can actually achieve profitability and sustainability.

            The American Dream, OMG, is dead, or it’s got one foot on a Banana Peel and the other is already in the grave!

            With either case, the future of small business in this country does not look good.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            The bigger the government, the smaller the individual. That is the problem that’s imperceptible to people demanding more of it. And it absolutely affects the creation of wealth… that is, the creation of small businesses that are the true engine of innovation and economic growth. You see, high income taxes on people already wealthy does not really make a difference to them. Most of their wealth is tied up in assets. What it does do is PREVENT those who are trying to become wealthy from doing so. And wealth is a good thing. I want everyone to be wealthy, at least to the degree that he or she desires to be. But government is a significant road block to that. Do you understand that government cannot give anything to anyone without first taking it from someone else? And that taking is either from current earnings or future earnings (debt). There will always be the poor and we, as humans, have an obligation to be charitable to them, to help those in our community get back on their feet, if they are able. But we make a huge mistake when we attempt to outsource our charity to politicians. Think of it this way. If a charity rep came to your door asking for money and told you that maybe, just maybe, 20 cents on every dollar would make it to the intended beneficiaries, would you donate? Of course NOT! You’d tell them to get the hell off your property and don’t come back. But a politician doing the same thing is somehow OK. It’s insanity. The only difference is that the politicians steal from us under the threat of jail if we don’t cough it up.

            The only real solution to all of our problems is a return to the principles established in our Constitution and maximum amount of individual freedom working within a framework of low entropy laws that remain stable and are applied equally to all. More big government is only going to make the problems worse.

            Thanks for the good discussion.

            Have a nice day, Mike!

            “You can only confiscate the wealth that exists at a given moment. You cannot confiscate future wealth — and that future wealth is less likely to be produced when people see that it is going to be confiscated.” – Thomas Sowell

  2. Justin Napolitano says:

    The cartoon. like obozo is wrong. Romney and his ilk are what caused Detroit to fail. The unions had nothing to do with it. Romney, the rich pric couldn’t send jobs overseas fast enough. I hope he enjoys his permanent vacation since he will never hold a government position again in his life. We cheer that fact. Goooodbye Romney, have a nice day.

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