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Sunday, October 23, 2016

TAMPA, Fla. — Paul Ryan is known for his devotion to a fitness regime called P90X, which involves “working out 6-7 days per week, with each workout lasting about 1-1½ hours,” according to WebMD. The website adds that “the workouts are so rigorous that you’re asked to take a fitness test before ordering the P90X system, to see whether you’re up to the challenge.”

Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey will never be caught doing P90X. (Nor will I.) But on Tuesday night, Christie offered his own brand of toughness. “I believe we have become paralyzed,” he declared in his keynote address to the Republican National Convention, “paralyzed by our desire to be loved.” Who knew that the desire to be loved was a national liability?

Something odd is happening in Mitt Romney’s Republican Party. The GOP is marketing the concept that a great many Americans need to suffer before they can prosper. The government needs the equivalent of a P90X regimen — and never mind checking first whether it will actually be good for the country.

This approach is ingenious because it dismisses all challenges to P90X government as soft and lacking in courage. I’d argue that the country should be rebelling against the idea of showering more riches on the already strong and wealthy while those in the middle or at the bottom are lectured that they should simply work and try harder. Yet anyone who dares say this is accused of failing to understand the magic of self-punishing rigor.

There is one famous Paul Ryan quotation that is not being widely cited in Tampa. “We are at a moment,” he said in response to President Obama’s 2011 State of the Union address, “where if government’s growth is left unchecked and unchallenged, America’s best century will be considered our past century. This is a future in which we will transform our social safety net into a hammock, which lulls able-bodied people into lives of complacency and dependency.”

A hammock? What, pray, is any liberal proposing that will allow any American to live in such complacency? Trying to make sure that more people have health insurance? Allowing the elderly to retire on that vast $1,230-a-month income provided by the average Social Security check? And then there’s welfare, which in all 50 states leaves recipients with an income equal to less than half the poverty line. Where’s the hammock?

  • dtgraham

    Yes, I took note of this last night too. I thought he was going to walk off the stage to the tune of Tina Turner’s ‘what’s love got to do with it’. He completely contradicted Mrs. “you people” with his ‘we want respect, not love.’ ‘Love will leave you paralyzed.’ ‘Don’t desire to be loved.’ ‘It’s about respect.’

    What in the hell does Christie want the United States to become? The modern day incarnation of Sparta?

    Bring on the Democrats next week…………………..please.

    • jarheadgene

      And not a moment TOO soon. The problem with this convention is, they are running out of ways to spin their lies……..NO ONE….. believes a word out of their mouths any more they
      are mouth pieces for the Koch Bros. GREED has been their undoing…….” YOU CANNOT serve TWO masters….” Their Master is money.

  • Conservatives–seeking to install religious conviction, restrictions on critical thoughts, enforced poverty, noblesse oblige, and the divine right to rule.

    In short, “conservative” as they want it all for themselves.

  • neece00

    The speech that the potential VP gave missed a few facts; The GM plant that closed was under George Bush not Barack Obama. He blamed Obama for the deficit but this was created by himself and his GOP friends when they voted against these recommendations that were presented from the president. He claimed that taxpayers did not get anything from the stimulus but most people got a tax cut and it was known to have saved between 1.4 and 3.3 million jobs. The downgraded credit rating was not something from Obama but the S&P has blamed this on GOP stubbornness. He mentioned that college graduates shouldn’t have to live at home but he opposed legislation to keep student loan rates from doubling. The lies these people continue to pass on for truth is truly amazing.

    • Churchlady320

      It’s shocking that they lie bald faced. But the media never corrects them. Walker said the same thing – and no one corrected him. Unbelievable.

      • CAThinker

        You should have seen Newt on MSNBC this morning. When asked what is the Democrats’ greatest strength that needs to be countered – his answer, “their ability to lie”… I about fell over… Huh???

        • Churchlady320

          Psychologists call that “projection”, and it is the GOP’s greatest trait if not a strength. Lying with impunity OUGHT to be a sin in their pseudo-religious eyes, since it’s the ninth commandment on not bearing false witness, but even the Ten Commandments they tout we should all live with are situational when applied to them. Newt alone has shattered a few of them and sees no problem. He claims God has forgiven him. I think it’s not his call.

      • ottokristen

        Just listen to Mara Liasson from PBS,she cleared all the half truths taken out of context.

        • Churchlady320

          I’m confused since I don’t usually hear her – she gave the lies a pass or called them out?

    • old_blu

      Very well said neece00, with facts and everything, and smart too.

      • neece00

        Thanks 0ld-blu. We just need to keep reminding the general public of the lies and garbage so in 2 months we can make some informed choices.

    • metrognome3830

      Interestingly enough, all of Ryan’s lies were pointed out by a Fox News correspondent. You have to know you’re not a very accomplished liar when you can’t even sneak it past Fox News.

  • This article is spot on. It is a complete contradiction to say “no” to the modest demands of the poor and middle class while showering the rich with tax breaks. Where is the Republican politician with the “courage” to say we need to raise taxes? It goes against the tenants of their voodoo economics. Even if one grants that entrepreneurs build businesses, they still need to pay for the roads that bring their goods to market, the police that protect them from thieves and the schools that train the workers they employ. In this sense Obama is right. They don’t build their businesses entirely on their own and they need to pay their fair share like everyone else.

    • Churchlady320

      The GOP politicians courageous enough to say we need balanced solutions is sitting home watching the convention on TV, no longer running for office.

      Entrepreneurs build businesses. Financiers build riches whether it builds or destroys businesses. Mitt is not a businessman – he’s a predator, a freebooter who strips assets to put money in his own pocket no matter the consequences. Destroying active capital is the antithesis of business. So let’s not pretend he has business experience; he has none. He built nothing, never met a payroll he had to maintain from his own work, never created a good or service he had to sell. He’s a pirate. We used to disdain that until they got a great PR firm to make us think they’re the same as the person who created a production or service facility from the ground up and kept it running. Sorry – Mitt is no businessman.

      • The Whole Convention Is Just Obama Bashing And Lies!!! What The Plan Cause Drill Baby Drill And Fracking Ain’t Going To Work And Throw People Out In The Street Hungry Ain’t Going To Work Either!! But We Do Notice You Greedy Bastards Made Sure You All Will Benefit By Giving Yourself Even More Tax Breaks So Then You Will Be The Freeloaders Living Here In American!! Damn Lying Terrorists!!

    • These Are Some Heartless Cold Blooded Terrorists Who Has No Business In Office Period!!!!!

  • montanabill

    E.J., wonderful case for more government in our lives. We cannot succeed without more and more and more government. Only the government prevents pain in our lives. You cannot succeed on your own, you must have government’s benevolent help, or don’t even try to succeed, the government will see to it you are not in need.
    Oh, and one more thing to think about. A quote attributed to Ben Stein:
    “Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured… but not everyone must prove they are a citizen.”

    • ObozoMustGo

      Hey Montana… long time, no speak. How have you been? I trust all is well with you.

      EJ is just another useful idiot for the leftists in America who try to justify why “Rob Peter to PayPaul Economics” is somehow a good strategy. Note how these leftists freaks ALWAYS start from the premise that allowing a successful person to keep more of their earnings is actually GIVING them momey. What kind of moron actually believes that crap?

      Oh… and thanks for clarifying the source of the quote. I’ve been using it but could not find to whom I should attribute it. Here’s another apropo quote below.

      Have a nice day!

      As William Voegeli put it in Never Enough: America’s Limitless Welfare State, “Liberals don’t want the government to grow indefinitely. They just want it to be bigger than it is right now. The corollary of this stance is liberals’ refusal even to entertain questions on the dimensions of a welfare state that is exactly the right size.”

      • ottokristen

        It’s good to see writing of yours and Bill’s.You guys really like each other.Why don’t you get married?

        • ObozoMustGo

          Kristen… I can assure you that neither Montana nor I support marriage between 2 men. That’s just freaky and wrong! Thanks for caring, though. [wink]

          Have a nice day!

          “I don’t think your boss should get to control the health care you get. I don’t think insurance companies should control the care that you get. I don’t think politicians should control the care that you get. I think there’s one person to make these decisions on health care and that is you.” – Guess who said it

    • Justin Napolitano

      When I read something like that montnanbill, I always assume you are complaining about government while taking full advantage of every program it offers. You are a part of the problem and not part of the solution.
      Government is a requirement of a civilized society. Who do you call if one of your children goes missing, the Republican National Committee or the police. Who do you call if your house is burning or you are involved in a car accident; your neighbor Bill the Tea Party member or the Fire Department. And what road do you ride on those you built yourself with your own road grader? Then there is the military, I suppose you have your own private military.
      I bet you built and staff the local hospital and probably even delivered yourself, right?
      Then there is the internet you are using to post your messages, designed, built and operated by you, right?

      • montanabill

        Bad assumption, Justin. Once again, I will explain that those of us on the conservative side are not against government. We do take issue with the size and scope of our current government. It is a bloated, wasteful operation with too much power over things that either should be local issues or not even considered as the purview of federal government. Your example of the fire department is not really pertinent. Fire, police, schools are local issues, not federal government issues. Hospitals are local, and primarily private anymore. We take issue with a government that will go out of its way to regulate every aspect of our lives. Even on a local basis, have you tried to get a construction permit, even for something as simple as a storage shed? In small town America, it can still be pretty simple, but try it in most metropolitan areas.
        By the way, there is a history of the internet. Darpa research was funded by government, however, like most developments, there were other private organizations that developed almost identical technology (packet switching). It was the weight of educational institutions that allowed our current system to be the dominant winner, but it would have occurred even without them.

    • awakenaustin

      Actually I think you either didn’t read the article or misread it. I don’t beleive there is a single word in there about making the government bigger or putting more government in your life or my life or anyone else’s life. it was a critique of the narrowness and the selfserving nature of thinking of these two representatives of the GOP.

      Maybe as an educational exercise you could explain to us what thngs you have suffered from as a result of “big” government. Tell us all about how it has limited and fundamentally circumscribed your liberty and freedom. Explain to us again how you, by your own devices, with no help from anyone, using machines you built by hand from raw materials grown, gathered and mined only by you, built and created everything you have or ever will have. Tell us how you without help from anyone built the roads and bridges you needed, educated those around you, advanced science and technology all by yourself.

      Explain how this nation itself could have existed and prospered without the help of government. Cite to me a single civilization, society, nation, city, principality, kingdom, or empire in the long reach of recorded history which grew and survived for any period of time without the involvment, organization and investment of some form of government.

      Columbus discovered the Americas because “a government” loaned him the money.

      Everyone in this nation who is at all successful, affluent, educated, safe, and helathy owes “the government” (local, state, or national) a great big wet kiss and maybe a little tongue.

      The lie in all of this is the GOP isn’t against big government. They are only against government which benefits those they feel are “unworthy” of its largesse. If it is helping businesses grow, if it is making companies rich, if it is greasing the rails of commerce, if it is helping out the “worthy people of some character and substance” then it is a fine thing.
      Apparently, if it is enforcing the religious dogmas of “christianity” its a pretty good thing too.

      I think it a mistake to expect any real substantive thought from that great political philospher and very thoughtful Mr. Ben Stein. Oh, by the way, it is a misstatement on both counts.

      • montanabill

        I can’t speak for you, but I can definitely attest to the impact of big government. Big government has made life extremely difficult for those of us who like to start and grow businesses. And this is not only national government but local governments, as well. Here is something for you to try if you doubt me. If you live in a metropolitan area, particularly one with Democrat control, try to get a commercial building permit or simply a commercial permit to modify an older building. Let me know how easy that is.

        Big government has given us regulations up the wazoo. Sure you like regulations on the banking industry because a few scoundrels gamed the system, but do understand that those same regulations have a big impact on the everyday worker in the industry? How about health care, energy production, automobile manufacturing, and almost every other business in this country? Same thing, regulations weren’t targeted, they were laid on with a bulldozer by unelected bureaucrats.

        How has the Department of Education helped one child in this country?

        How has the Department of Energy done what it was created to do?

        Tell me how the Federal government helped states by imposing highway rules on them?
        Have you ever driven across Texas at 55 mph or Wyoming or Montana or Nevada?

        Tell me how the Federal government will help the average person with the new health care laws? For the vast majority who had adequate health care, ACA will add costly taxes as it reduces their choices and quality of care.

        Again, I and other conservatives have not a single problem with government, as long as that government stays within the guidelines that a very thoughtful group of individuals in the 1770’s laid out for it. What they knew about government is timeless.

        Columbus didn’t discover America and he was funded for a commercial venture not intended to help the people being governed.

        The only reason everyone in this nation who is successful owes this government their thanks is because we were allowed the freedom to create, not because government built our businesses for us. Businesses grew and prospered in this country before there was an ‘infrastructure’. If government infrastructure made people successful, everyone would be successful and we would have no welfare.

        • ottokristen

          Hi again Bill.I just comment on your complain regarding to obtaining building permits.I applied for permits in few countries and I have to tell you everywhere it’s the same.There always going to be some little bureaucrat who will try to stick it to you.And don’t forget about set backs and side setbacks and encroachments and zoning and multifamily and single family….do you want me to go on?

          • montanabill

            And the reason they can do that is because the rat’s nest of regulations gives them cover.
            Now think of a business on a national scale, with not only the local little bureaucrats, but state level and national level equivalents, and even more regulations. Just look at the number of new regulations created and bureaucrats employed to create even more regulations in the Affordable Healthcare Act and that’s just one industry.

        • awakenaustin

          It may be that you can attest to the bad impact of big government. However, you have not done so in your response.

          When someone asks you for an example they expect a substantive example. A general statement such as “Big government has given us regulations up the wazoo” does not fit the criteria as an example. I sense feeling a little pressed, you pivoted from national to local, although the initial thrust of your argument was directed at national government. In your local government example, since you added the Democratic as an adjective, I suspect your problem is with Democrats and not government. My surmise is, that for you, it is only “big” government when it is a Democratic government.
          As for building permits and such you are absolutely correct – I don’t think anyone should be prevented from building whatever they want wherever they want no matter what it does and no matter how poorly it is constructed. There should be no zoning codes and no building codes. No health or environmental issues should ever limit your god given right to build whatever you want.
          Why would anyone ever try to put some reasonable rational limits on construction? What is up with all this planning nonsense? You should be able to sprawl anywhere you want. Dig a well. Open a pig farm in town. Crap in the street. What is it with all these government regulations?

          A” few scoundrels gaming the system!” Their actions only helped dump the national economy in the toilet. Yeah, that’s no reason for regulations. Better we should regulate voting rights and keep a bunch of legitimate voters from voting in order to prevent nonexistent voter fraud. Those are the government regulations we really need.

          A government lesson. You should have learned this in High School. The president may propose, but Congress legislates. The executive, except in that area of power reserved for the President by the Constitution, only executes what the Congress legislates. In the day to day workings of any government at all levels the biggest influence on legislation comes from lobbyists. It isn’t a criticism, it is just a fact. Lobbyists are paid for their work. If you want a lobbyist or you want to lobby for something. Basically two choices. Hire one or do it yourself. Which one do you think has more staying power and is in the long run most effective?
          Here is the rub it takes money to hire lobbyists. The more money the more lobbyists. The more lobbyists the more attention your ideas, thoughts, desires, dreams, and ambitions get from legislators and, wait for it, wait for it from bureaucrats. Big pharma doesn’t own the FDA or dictate to them, but they work “very” well together. Wall Street, the banking industry and other financial and financial related industries and the SEC, Dept of Treasury, Dept of Commerce, the Federal Reserve and a host of regulatory agencies are not co-conspirators, but they are not enemies either. Government agencies work just as hard as they can to make the wheels of commerce turn smoothly and they have done so under both Democratic and Republican administrations. This will not change in my life time or my children’s or my grandchildren’s lifetimes. The very size of this nation’s GNP gives lie to the idea that this government is or has ever, no matter who was in charge, been unfriendly to business, profit, free enterprise or capitalism. Factually, historically this nation has been more prosperous under Democrats than Republicans.
          Despite the slander heaped on us liberals are not socialists, they are not against people making money, they are not against profit, they are not anti-free enterprise, they don’t hate entrepreneurs and they are not any of the other silly things Republicans say they are. Instead of addressing their ideas in the arena of discussion and persuasion, conservatives have sought to gain the upper hand by attaching derogatory labels and categorizing positions in the most slanderous terms. Instead of dealing in plain terms with the desirability or value of an estate tax, rather they labeled it a death tax. Rather than enter into an ethical or morally sensitive discussion of the extent or limits on a woman’s right to have control or sovereignty over her body, her health and her dignity, they have sought to close off the debate by calling and legislating abortion and anything related to contraception as murder.
          “Big” government is merely a slogan for you. It isn’t a thing. You can’t even define it beyond saying it exists whenever it does something you don’t like.

          The Dept of Education has helped in the education of millions of children in this nation, that the State and Local governments were at best neglecting, but usually ignoring. The national government has to give states money to get them to give their own citizens a decent education. You think private industry is going to set up an open to everyone education system? You try to have national standards when you can so everyone gets roughly the same deal. Yeah, public education is tough. It is tough to run and fund. Why? Because if you are going to try to make it available to all with the similar quality you have to have someone without a profit motive and a bottom line to run it. It is supposed to be educated young adults you are turning out, not widgets.

          Frankly, I don’t pay enough attention to the Dept of Energy to know for sure what they do, but I imagine (and I am probably completely accurate) they spend most of their time making life easy for the Energy industry within the purview of their mandate and they have helped a whole bunch of private industry types make bunches of money.

          Your really serious complaint is that at one time you had to drive 55? Really? You have neither a god-given right nor a constitutional right to drive fast on the Interstate or U.S. Highway system. Driving at any legal speed is not an infringement on your liberty.

          The big problem with the Affordable Care Act was the President’s effort to compromise with Republicans by designing and pushing a healthcare bill they had previously endorsed. You are aware of that right? This is a Republican generated model and idea. This is not the healthcare bill liberals would have advocated.
          Liberals had the crazy idea that every citizen of this nation deserves the opportunity to have adequate healthcare whether they could pay for it or not.
          The legislation we got was legislation designed to try to limit healthcare costs as we go along, provide expanded coverage to many people not currently covered by any healthcare system, and continue to allow insurance companies, hospitals, doctors, and the healthcare industry to make oodles of money. The insurance mandate benefits insurance companies. It means they continue to make money no matter who they insure.

          The point so many don’t seem to understand is that you pay for someone else’s healthcare every time they go to an emergency room to deal with an ailment they could have dealt with at an office visit, but couldn’t because they couldn’t afford insurance or the fee. You pay for it every time they end up in the ER with a more serious problem than they needed to have, but they couldn’t afford to see a doctor earlier.
          The ACA will not add costly taxes. You cannot sustain that position with any facts. You cannot offer a single substantive reason why your choices or quality of care will suffer.
          But the gist of your point is that people who cannot already afford adequate healthcare (some minority of people, i.e., poor people) should just suck it up and die. That is a philosophical position you are entitled to, but you should state it up front.

          I know you have no problem with government, as long as it is enforcing your ideas, your rules and your policies. You have no idea what the Founding Fathers would believe to be the guidelines under which a government today should govern. They might think we ought to solve our problems ourselves rather than try to divine what they might think if they even understood our problems. What did James Madison have to say about the petroleum industry, what was his position on labor unions, was he against universal public education, would he think we should still hold black people in slavery, would he think woman should have no say in political discussions and confine themselves to caring for the home and the children, what would be his position on the internet, professional football, steroid use in athletics, motion pictures, modern penal law, video games, FEMA, the Dept of Defense (a standing army might really scare the doodoo out of him). If the Constitution was really designed to take us on to ever, ever land then someone had to expect its meaning would evolve. Everything adapts or dies. The very fact that for more than 200 years now we have argued about the “real” meaning of the Constitution, suggests its meaning is not all that clear, straight-forward and certain.

          Columbus certainly did discover “the Americas.” If you are suggesting he did not discover the U.S.A., then that is true. But then I did not say he discovered the U.S.A. I said he discovered “the Americas.”
          Wait! Is it your position that it is okay for governments to use taxpayer money to promote business, as long as it isn’t in the general welfare. Oh, by the by, the Spanish Government expected to benefit from this enterprise and they did. I guess it is an open question if the general Spanish population benefitted, but if a rising tide really does lift all boats then by your party’s analysis they must have.
          The point, if I must belabor it, is governments have always spent money to promote things. Sometimes the common good, sometimes the good of only a few. The issue isn’t the size of government. The issue is the goals or ends of government. “Big” government is just a slogan or a bogeyman if you will.

          The party that actually wishes to infringe on your liberty is the party that wants to require you to have and carry a nationally acceptable ID card. It is the same party which has no problem with accumulating vast amounts of data on you (‘cause if you ain’t doing anything wrong, what are you hiding). It is the same party that would like to tell you that you have to be Christian. It is the party which wants to tell you who you can marry or fall in love with.

          The Republican’s don’t seem to be able to find the time or money to help others less fortunate (don’t give me that private charity crap it never worked and it won’t now), but they are all over telling you how you got to live and what private choices are appropriate.

          The National Government made the expansion of this nation possible and profitable. Exploration, surveying, military protection (and when necessary to promote settlement and progress – the elimination of the indigenous populations), land grants, subsidies, intercontinental railroads, bridges, highways, Interstate Highway system, for a long time they suppressed unions to the benefit of business (it is done at the State level now), Panama Canal, Barbary pirates, Louisiana Purchase, War with Mexico, big navies and big armies to protect the flow of international commerce, the U.S. Post Office (so you business guys could commo with each other and mail me crap advertisements at a rate way below what it costs me to send a letter – the finest postal service in the world, the envy of every other nation), trade agreements with other nations, tariffs to protect fledgling US industries, Small Business Administration, Dept of Commerce (the Big Business Administration), dredging rivers and lakes, building canals and locks, building levees, bankruptcy laws, Federal Courts to mediate business conflict, investment in research and development, promotion of an educated workforce, Dept of Agriculture, FHA, and so on ad nauseum.

          Conservatives began to get crosswise with Government when it began to legislate in the areas of the common good and the general welfare. Prior to that the big disagreements were over whose cronies should benefit most from government largesse. Government was never a bad thing in this country until it began ever so haltingly and limitedly to aid ordinary people. The big pivot against government came in the FDR years and has followed on and grows loudest whenever the government has sought mitigate the problems or improve the conditions of everyone generally.
          The big Republican gripe is that government has lost its proper focus – which is to make life easy for business and commerce and to ensure and protect profit. For Republicans the business of government is business. It should either promote it, ease its burdens or let it do as it wishes regardless of any consequence to the rest of the society.

          Of course growth and prosperity require hard work, creativity and ingenuity. No one ever said the government built your business and that isn’t what he said and, if your IQ is above 75 and you actually listened to what he said, then you know he never said government built your business. He rather inartfully made the observation, which is absolutely true, that you did not do it by yourself and for that matter neither did anyone else.

          So the question is, after all this, if someone else helped you, what is your obligation, if any, to help back. I welcome that philosophical argument.
          If you decide you have some obligation to help back, what is the best way – on an ad hoc individual basis or a society wide basis? I am up for that argument also.

          • montanabill

            All of that seems to have a basic tone, the impression that any attempt to reign in the ever increasing expansion of government is tantamount to doing away with government. That is not now, or has it ever been, true. However, you seem to project that anything and everything government does is good, and therefore, it should keep growing.
            I don’t think you have ever tried to create or run a business or you would know that most of the agencies and departments that you are so high on, are more hindrance than help. They all have a basic function, but as with most organizations, in order to keep growing, they must expand that function. That is the primary way bureaucrats can get promotions and pay increases. What conservatives are shouting as loud as they can is, get those agencies back to their original size and purpose, and if they no longer have a purpose, get rid of them. By the way, the Dept. of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. How’s that working for us?

            Here is a simple truth: every new law and every new regulation, by any government agency, is a little piece of freedom lost. In 1998, the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), the official listing of all regulations in effect, contained a total of 134,723 pages in 201 volumes that claimed 19 feet of shelf space. In 1970, the CFR totaled only 54,834 pages. The expansion has accelerated since 1998.

            We understood exactly what Obama was saying, and here is another simple truth: people were starting businesses in this country before there were roads or infrastructure. Government is not a prerequisite to entrepreneurship.

          • awakenaustin

            I am sorry. I missed the part of my response where I said I am in favor of unnecessary expansion of government authority. I missed the part where I said I was in favor of waste and unnecessary spending. Your attack hasn’t been and the Republican attack is not that we need to rationalize and economize government where possible, while trying to continue to perform the necessary and desirable functions of government. Your attack has been on “government” itself and most particularly on social programs. You have attacked the idea of government as a means to accomplish purposes or pursue goals you don’t favor. You have done this by launching a broad based attack on the idea that government is inherently corrupt, oppressive and acts only to limit freedom. You offer slogans “big government” rather than address issues or argue up front that you have a different philosophy about the role of government in society. You have argued to this end that me must “starve the beast.” That is an enlightened approach. The discussion isn’t of using a scalpel it is of using a machete.
            Your concern for waste and unnecessary spending seems to stop at the social program side of government. No republican ever suggests or would ever consider suggesting we look at the Defense budget to trim a little fat.

            So the government is responsible for our continued dependence on foreign oil. Really. Our desire to drive low gas mileage trucks instead of high gas mileage cars has nothing to do with oil consumption in the nation. The desire of major oil companies to increase profits has nothing to do with our dependence on foreign oil. The fact that all the substantial, easy to get to known oil resources in the world are outside our borders has nothing to do with the problem. Please don’t talk as if the limited oil resources available within this nation are an answer to our problem. If oil companies could find what they needed here and still make money they would, it is the nature of the animal. Every time someone suggests even modest conservation efforts they are ridiculed. Suggest investment in alternative resources or exploring new ways of producing energy and the response is “drill baby drill.” The Department of Energy has been feckless primarily because it was captured as usual by the very industries it was supposed to regulate, shepherd and guide.

            I forget who held a majority in the national legislature in 1998. Remind me who was president from 2000 to 2008 with a Congress controlled by Republicans until 2006.

            Yes, Ma and Pa Jones had a little general store. (How did they get their wares and goods to sell?) Yes there was a village blacksmith and some guy who owned the local “watering hole.” But it wasn’t before there were roads. You cannot have a business with customers who cannot get to you. Navigable waterways and roads have been the very least required for moving goods to people or people to goods. Governments since before the Roman empire have been instrumental in making and defending roads and defending waterways to make commerce possible. If tribal society is your ideal then have at it. (It will still require some strong man elected chief (i.e., government) to run things. There is likely to be a priesthood whispering in the chief’s ear and the return of magical thinking.) My bad, magical thinking still exists.

            What is your vision of the future? One in which it is every man woman and child for him or herself and the devil take the hindmost.
            It would be real nice if everyone, of his or her own free will, contributed to the greater good and honored everyone else’s rights. It would be nice if everyone was polite and thoughtful and cared about their neighbors and pitched in their fair share. However, lots of folks believe they have no obligation to anyone but themselves and they don’t realize that you cannot run a society on the basis of some doing all the heavy lifting and others enjoying all the fruits. The Republican party has sold you a bag of turds and convinced you it is candy. They have convinced you that all that stands between you and untold success and wealth is those damn Democrats, some rules they made up to keep you from being wealthy, and all those unworthy, low class types who favor the Democrats. Life for you won’t be better under the Republicans. Wal-Mart will still be putting your local ass out of business. Shell will still be charging you an arm and a leg for gasoline. The end of all these regulations will simple make it easier for them to do it. Don’t like that mountain blocking your view. Don’t worry some mining company will tear the top off for you. Sheep are more valuable than bald eagles. Who gives a shit about wolves anyway. Clean water and air is for wussies. If you can’t make a profit doing it, it shouldn’t be done.

            Governments never do things perfectly and sometimes they get things completely wrong. However, you stand a better chance of getting an outcome that works for everyone pretty well if your goal is to serve the public interest, than if your goal is to maximize your profits.

            There are things governments don’t do well and they shouldn’t do. There are some things that need to be done and private business and individuals won’t do them or can’t do them, and that is what we need governments for.

    • ottokristen

      Actually,a newly elected president can not afford to diminish the government body without creating horrendous upset to every aspect of life.Who ever say that he or she can reduce a government,he or she does not know what she or he is talking about.Hi Bill,Montana is beautiful,I loved it there.Stay there and enjoy.

      • montanabill

        That would be true, if we could live with the status quo. It will create some pain, just like having to lay off employees when business declines, but ultimately it will create a migration from government employment to private employment as the economy once again begins to build. There is no painless plan, but simply doing away with the automatic, built-in budget increases (needed or not) and reducing each budget by 1% per year for a few years would quickly bring things back into alignment with the least pain. There is also a remarkable amount of government that serves no useful purpose other than trying to justify their own existence.
        ( I have spent substantial time in Washington and traveling the nation)

  • Churchlady320

    It’s Social Darwinism. Dominionism. Elitism. There are the Elect – the rich – who “prove” by their very wealth that they are superior and therefore deserve support. Never mind they mostly all got handed it or got government support to get there. Then there are the rest of us, the schlubs, the servants, the inferiors. We are ALL just slackers. We don’t deserve anything because having a desperately ill family member and no insurance just toughens you up and is the push you need to get out there and GET RICH – although first maybe getting born again.

    Ellen Goodman wrote of Reaganomics back in the 80s, “Why do the rich need incentives but the poor need desperation?” From Reagan on, we have been brainwashed into believing in the myth of the “self made man” and that no one worth their salt takes ANY kind of government assistance (unless it’s for business) and that having those programs means private businesses lose that profit, and that some of the rich guy’s money has to support those things.

    If you love myths over reality, then the GOP mantra is for you. If you’re a real person with real needs and an understanding that we’re all in this together, then you will respect your neighbors and the long years of the social compact that made us strong.

    It’s just that clear – you’re on your own, or we’re in this together.

    • ottokristen

      Dear Churchlady,there is nothing wrong with Darwinism. We all crawled out from the sea.We have to get used to,that we have same forefathers with monkeys.

      • Churchlady320

        Dear – don’t descend into Bagger land. SOCIAL Darwinism created by Herbert Spencer in the late 19th century, perverted and bastardized the science Darwin did so brilliantly and turned it into a philosophy of “survival of the fittest” that justified everyone’s actions if they were RICH. The most powerful Robber Barons bought into it since it seemed a scientific rationale for their ruling class power.

        Your snotty patronizing of me as “churchlady” goes to the point – I do run public policy for a large progressive faith organization. AND WE ALL BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION. Mainline Protestants and most Catholics do. There is “nothing wrong with Darwinism” of course. I knew that decades ago. But there are HUGE things wrong with SOCIAL DARWINISM, and you, if you’re going to be part of a critique of power and ruling class actions, really need to find out about it. It’s alive and well after decades of being ignored, and it is part of Dominionism as well – so look that up, too. But get this clear otto – people in the faith community are more radical and progressive than you because we don’t assume you’re a jerk as you have assumed I am, thereby proving you do NOT know what you’re talking about.

        • ottokristen

          Dear Lady,I sheepishly apologize.After all,You and I are, I hope ,on the same right side.You see,I came to this beautiful country 44 years ago as a young 31 years old man and in spite of learning all my life I still find a lot of empty spaces in my education,and as the old
          Greek philosopher said:The more I learn,the more I find ,that I know nothing. On YouTube/2137otto

  • When governors like the Scotty dog in FL refusing ANY and ALL federal monies that would actually help create jobs, who needs anyone else, like Romney and Ryan to add agony to our lives. Try to remember that Ryan grew up in a privileged home. I know you haters can’t stand it if kids get a meal, or education, or any chance at a normal life. And health care, well that’s for you guys, the privileged. Freedom – well that’s only a word. Let’s take away ALL government aid to LA because after all you HATE government. And keep on throwing nuts at anyone who’s not YOUR color and telling them “that’s how we feed the animals” as was done at the RNC

  • My, my, my!
    We are watching the DEATH of a good Party!
    This batch of GOP & tpublicans has RUN the Republican Party to OBLIVION. Have mercy, Lord! Short of the DECLARATION of “Marshall Law” and a COUP, how the Hell can U win a National Election?
    U have denegrated ALL Latinos. You have INSULTED ALL intelligent Women. U have Declared No Abortion. You have EXPRESSED overt racism. U have LIED, & LIED, & LIED to the VOTERS ’bout everything. Man”
    rush is only 1 vote. The FOX gang can only provide less than half percent of anything!
    Sr. Citizens are Scared. Latinos are very SCARED. Poor white folks are SCARED. SSI receipiants are SCARED to DEATH Blacks are TRPOUBLED ’bout over turning ALL the Civil Rights Gains.
    Man??? What a DODODODODO?

  • This nails the GOP agenda and policies…about the only Republican willing to say it is the fictional character Jeff Daniels plays in ‘The Newsroom’…

  • ObozoMustGo


    This is useful idiot du jour, EJ Dionne, trying to keep the focus off of Obozo’s failed record. Let’s look at just a few of those failures…

    1) growing unemployment,
    1a) 23 MILLION Americans un or underemployed or no longer seeking employment.
    1b) Real unemployment rate of 15%.
    1c) Highest and longest stretch of unemployment since great depression
    2) loss of 1.3 million jobs in the economy as a whole in July,
    3) the growing number of deaths in Afghanistan,
    4) his imperial and unconstitutional orders to give DREAM Act’ers functional amnesty,
    5) his imperial and unconstitutional shirking of welfare work requirements signed by Clinton,
    6) Fast and Furious and dead bodies,
    7) $16 TRILLION in debt and NOTHING to show for it
    8) Outsourcing NASA to Russia
    9) Laundering money to his campaign through buyoff of campaign bundlers by covering bad investments with taxpayer dollars at losers like Solyndra
    10) Closing off shore drilling for Americans, and giving $2BILLION to Soros backed PetroBras for offshore drilling for Brazil.
    11) Putting hundreds of thousands of people out of work closing thousands of GM dealerships (all owned by Republicans, by the way)
    12) Preventing at least 20,000 new jobs from being created with the Keystone Pipeline.
    13) Blocking the Keystone Pipeline and forcing Canada to instead do business with the Chinese with the oil they would have sent us, which would result in increasing our supply and reducing our costs at the pump.
    14) Still Keystone Pipeline: Instead, Obozo get’s support from the lead crony himself, Warren Buffett, who happens to own the trucking and rail companies currently delivering oil from North Dakota at artificially high prices. I don’t hear you leftist freaks screaming about this cronyism!!!
    15) and the whole litany of unconstitutional crap that the loser in chief has pulled on America, making us weaker in the world, and more divided than ever at home.

    I’ll continue to shed the light of truth on the failure that is Obozo. The bum has got to go before he completes his mission to reduce our standing and convert us into a Euro socialist state with insurmountable debt!

    Obozo is an evil joke being played on America.

    Have a nice day!

    “All that seems indispensable in stating the account between the dead and the living, is to see that the debts against the latter do not exceed the advances made by the former.” – James Madison

    • pangamut

      I want to address your item #10:
      It simply is not true.
      On 14 April 2009, the Export-Import Bank of the United States (Ex-Im), an agency whose mission “is to assist in financing the export of U.S. goods and services to international markets,” issued a preliminary approval for a $2 billion loan to Brazil’s national oil company, Petroleo Brasileiro S.A. (Petrobras), to help fund offshore oil exploration and development.

      The approval of the loan was an action undertaken not by officials who had been appointed by President Obama, but by his predecessor, President George W. Bush, as Ex-Im itself stated:
      The Bank’s bipartisan Board unanimously approved the preliminary commitment to Petrobras on April 14, 2009, before any Obama appointees joined the Bank. In fact, at the time the Bank’s Board consisted of three Republicans and two Democrats, all of whom were appointed by George W. Bush.
      Despite the claim that the money committed to Petrobras is “taxpayer dollars,” Ex-Im notes that “the vast majority of our financing consists of guarantees of loans made by commercial lenders,” that “the bank is self-sustaining and does not receive any appropriated funds from Congress,” and that “the Bank’s activities do not cost the American taxpayer a dime.”

      The Export-Import Bank of the United States (Ex-Im Bank) is the official export credit agency of the United States. Ex-Im Bank’s mission is to assist in financing the export of U.S. goods and services to international markets.

      Ex-Im Bank enables U.S. companies — large and small — to turn export opportunities into real sales that help to maintain and create U.S. jobs and contribute to a stronger national economy.
      Accordingly, as set forth in a 29 July 2009 press release, Ex-Im’s chairman and president, Fred P. Hochberg, declared that the bank approved the $2 billion preliminary commitment not as a downpayment to ensure future oil purchases from Brazil by the U.S., but “to encourage purchases of U.S. goods and services by Petrobras”:
      I chose Brazil as my first international destination for good reason: Brazil is a powerhouse among South American economies and offers tremendous opportunities for U.S. exporters in many sectors. I want Brazilians to know that Ex-Im Bank has the will and the capacity to finance their purchases of U.S. equipment, products and services.
      (Although Fred P. Hochberg is an Obama appointee, the President did not nominate Hochberg for the position of Ex-Im president until 20 April 2009, a week after the board approved the loan to Petrobras.)

      • old_blu

        All of Bozo’s statement have been refuted many times, but he don’t care he cuts and past this same old teabagger shit every two or three days.

        • pangamut

          Thanks blu,

          Maybe if we keep posting the facts they will eventually get thru to those willing to listen or at least cause them to do some fact checking on their own.

          • I doubt it. Many Republicans are well aware of the fact that most of their rhetoric and claims are false or grossly exaggerated, but they also know that when the best they can offer is a tax plan that eliminated the mortgage and college education deductions, or dismantling MEDICARE, their only recourse is demonization.

      • Panganut, excellent response to a man whose posts are based strictly on the cacophony of childish rhetoric that comes out of the mouth of a junkie.

      • Just remember that the TRUTH is for BOZO a moving target, much like the twin serial liars Romney and Ryan. They never let the truth interfere with a good campaign line.

    • ottokristen

      Hey Obozomustgo, I haven’t smell your hot air for long time.Come on,tell us you real name so we can be friends,in spite of being on opposite sites.

    • metrognome3830

      Oh, Geez, there’s the famous (infamous) OMG “list” again. I see you have corrected at least one “fact.” I do admire your fiction-writing skills. Throw in a couple of truths, then fill in the blanks with half-truths and personal opinion, stir and serve. I find it absolutely amazing that you attribute all the problems in the country to Obama and completely exonerate every other past president, senator or congressman. At least you certainly can’t claim he has done nothing.

      Have a nice day!

      • ObozoMustGo

        Hey Metro! How are you my friend? I hope you and Mrs. Metro are doing well. We have not chatted in a while. Its getting to be travel season for me and there will be stretches where I am MIA. I also have a lot of new projects coming at work so I will only be responding to select posts as time is becoming more pressed. That said, I will respond to your post…

        Come on, Metro. You KNOW that I have criticized Bush in these pages a lot. In fact, I have criticized his fiscal profligacy extensively. But Obozo is the president today, and therefore, he’s the one to whom I direct my ire. And YES… much of where we are today IS because of Obozo and the policies of his regime. What I don’t understand is how all of you guys on the left can look at what Obozo promised and NOT be completely disappointed. I don’t think he’s kept a single promise and has done the exact opposite in many cases.

        In short, Obozo’s theories of “Rob Peter to Paul Economics” is a fantasy and has never worked. It never will work. This is why the economy has not improved. I can accept that Obozo was dealt a tough hand. No question about it. But he has done NOTHING toward solving the problems of that tough hand, except add $6 TRILLION in debt with nothing to show for it. Because he has not improved anything in America, other than to blame Bush for everything and stoke class warfare and race warfare to fever pitch levels, he has been a failure. He does not deserve another term.

        Have a great weekend, Metro! And take Mrs. Metro out for nice dinner tonight.

        “I don’t care if your a Republican, a DemocRAT, a Libertarian, or whatever… if the man has not done the job, it’s time to let him go” – Clint Eastwood

        • metrognome3830

          Good Morning, OMG. How are you? I haven’t heard from you for so long I was beginning to get worried about you. Who would have thought I would go to the comments in the National Memo to look for comments from ObozoMustGo! I actually look forward to our correspondence because, even though we don’t often agree, at least your arguments are intelligently made and your views come from actually studying the issues instead of just reacting.

          Yes, you do give Bush due credit for some our troubles. I give him positive credit for leaving office and staying out of the fray. The thing is, OMG, I think ‘ol GW is probably a pretty good guy at heart. I just didn’t approve of the job he did as president. I am disappointed that Obama didn’t get more done. But it’s hard to run when you have 100 guys blocking the path. What bothers me is the absolute vitriol I see and hear regarding Obama. Disappointed? OK. Understandable. Actually, he wasn’t my favorite candidate from the start. But, all this birther nonsense, and all the crap e-mails I see in my inbox regularly about how he is a Muslim with a secret plan to take over the country, he is a Socialist, a Communist. There is even a nutcase out there that claims that “a guy he knows, who travels in high government circles,” once talked to a “Russian socialite,” who, under the influece of too many martinis, told him all about how the Russians had groomed Obama from birth to the present and engineered his whole life to put him in the presidency and through him they would take over the country. I think, if such a guy exists, he didn’t travel in high government circles, he traveled in circles while high. Call him a failed president, fine. All the rest is just piling on. For what? Because they are afraid he will win a second term? Then they need to put up a stronger candidate and they need to come up with better ideas. You speak of distractions. Yes, there are many and they are coming from all sides. I am getting so tired of all the BS that I am, for the first time in my life, ready to just give up and let what happens happen. Do a Lance Armstrong. It’s just getting too hard to find the truth amoung all the piles of BS.

          I ordered Denis Prager’s book. I should have it early next week. Being a profligate, high-spending Democrat, I went all out and bought the hardcover. Mainly because it wouldn’t be available in paperback until Jan. 2013.

          By the way, your quote from Clint was probably his best line of the night. I didn’t watch the convention (I don’t plan to watch the Democratic convention, either), but I was very dismayed at the reaction to Clint’s speech. I have been a fan of his from the days when he played Rowdy Yates on Rawhide. He’s a multi-talented man. I hate to see people savaging him for his speech. Actually, I’m kind of surprised the Republicans picked him to speak. Many of his political views run counter to what the Republicans claim their views are. People are just too damn mean these days.

          Have a great weekend. I guess I don’t have to tell you to keep busy. My best to you and Mrs. OMG and the family


          • ObozoMustGo

            Hi Metro… I just checked my network spam filter and found that many of the responses to my posts were being held up. I have freed them all, but will only respond to a few since most of the rest are just name calling with no point to be made further. I don’t mind a good insult thrown at me or by me, but there has to be some point to further discussion. And I do, very much so, enjoy our discussions, Metro. You know that. Agreement is not needed, either. In fact, if I needed agreement, I wouldn’t come into this sea of leftist insanity, now would I? 🙂

            I get you on the birther and wacko conspiracy theories. Unfortunately, my friend, there is no shortage of those on either side of the political spectrum. And they will never go away, either. Think about this… there are still people that think the earth is flat, about 1% of them. There are also nutjobs that believe the US government perpetrated 9/11. There are also people that think the moon landing was done on a stage set. What are you gonna do? I ignore them.

            I am with you also on the level of “mean” going on, and the amount of BS that flows. There are not many places you can go anymore that will give you just the truth, not the opinion. Witness this fact: Surveys of people’s impressions of the RNC were 72% positive among those that watched it directly, either on CSPAN or other stations that showed the speeches uninterrupted. The same survey asked people if they got their RNC coverage from their news coverage and, not surprisingly, it was 72% negative. Hmmmmm…. I wonder why that is, Metro…. NOT! The media is no longer a source of checks on the political structure to be skeptical of BOTH sides, but is instead a part of the Democratic party aparatchik and they are part of the political agenda of the left. Witness the fact that the NY Slimes had the story from an ACORN insider (Anita Moncrief) reporting on the organization’s illegal coordination with the Obozo campaign in 2008 and their deliberate widespread voter fraud efforts, and they chose to bury it IN AN ELECTION YEAR. You see, Metro, when there are those of us on both sides that can no longer expect the truth to be told, the anger quotient grows and becomes reflected in the political discourse. It also does not help matters that we have a Chicago political machine driving the bus this time. If you’re from MN, you grew up close enough to know what that means. What else can you call it when they have called Romney a felon, a cheat, and a murderer? I know there are useful idiots on this site that believe that stuff, but those are the same wackos we discussed above.

            Like you, I am not watching the conventions. I’m just not home to do so. Kids athletic activities every night preclude my interest. Besides, it’s not like I’m going to learn anything new. I do hope that those who are not informed or involved do watch both conventions, however, since they will see 2 radically different views of America coming from both. One will be primarily focused on individuals, liberty, freedom, and success. The other will be government-centric focused and pit classes against one another. The details of the speeches will fade over time, but the big message will stick.

            I did order your book rec onto my iPad but have not started it yet. I prefer the physical books, but could not find it anywhere around here in any store. I hope to get on it this weekend once I finish the next one I am on. Beck’s “Cowards” is pretty good. You guys on the left don’t like him, but you also don’t realize how hard he actually rips both sides. The book is actually a good, quick read on how the coward in our politcal system are too afraid to take on real issues. Homegrown Democrat is next on the list. I should be able to read it in 3 or 4 nights at the most and then will write a review. Next week most likely.

            I gotta run, Metro my friend. Wish I was in AZ. I’d take you out to lunch for some kobe sliders and duck fat fries at the Fairmount resort in Scottsdale.

            Have a great day!

            “The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” – Ronald Reagan

  • howa4x

    This is the tough guy stuff that republicans love. We are going to kick their asses. Who ever needs it. Of course we always have love for the job creators at the top who need everything for them to create more jobs. With the Koch bros riches somewhere around 50 billion how much more do they need? Can’t they create jobs on that meager amount? The toughness is really directed at those at the bottom, you know those lazy welfare queens with their pink caddies using food stamps, those Willie Horton men that are deserving of the wrath of the white middles class for not making it. You know that middle class that had their parents help with college tuition , but never mind that. Toughness is also aimed at the unions that promote the lazy culture. But the most wrath is aimed at goverment for creating the shiftless culture that even needs it to protect them at the expense of Business profits. You know that business is tough and gets nothing from goverment( we won’t mention subsidys, price supports, protective markets and military backup)
    Yes the republicans are bringing social darwinsim to your neighborhood so toughen up everyone!

    • Create Jobs??? Hell Romney And His Rich So Called 5% Business Men Been Shipping Them Overseas For Cheap Labor And For The Profits !! Romney Is The Problem!!

      • howa4x

        During the Bush tax cut years 2.9 million jobs were out sourced. the 1% wealth rose 256 %
        Zero jobs were created and middle class wages were flat. I can’t see how anyone is a republican

  • If i could i would like to ask what will happen to the people who through food at the black reporter will they just be put out never to come back or should they face charges.

  • The only people who need some ” PAIN ” are the GOP/REPUKE & TEA BAGGER scum like ROMNEY,RYAN,CHRISTIE,RICE,AKINS,PALIN,BECK,LIMPBALLS and all the un-American dirt bag trash that follow them. Can you say ” REEDUCATION CAMPS ” ?

  • quasm

    Mr. Dionne;

    I agree with the lead in. Haven’t we already suffered enough under Pres. Obama?

    Dik Thurston
    Colorado Springs

    • ottokristen

      Hi Dick.How did you suffer?Tell us,please.I can tell you how some people suffered under Georg W.When I had a heart attack , I witnessed people self employed,who did not have a proper health insurance, losing their homes,or putting mortgages on them if they were lucky to have one.Do you know how much cost 20 minutes in a hospital in en emergency ward with 5 minutes talk with the doctor?$1250.Du you know how much is hospital bed a night?From$1500 to $2000 a night.God forbid you get caught without an insurance,or if you have reoccurring health problem.

  • frank739

    This week from the Republicans we are hearing about the Economy and the policies planned for the richest Americans among us. Next week we will hear about the Economyand the policies planned for the other 99% of Americans. Think about this, take every argument Chairman Ryan used against our President/Democrats in his speech and insert Ryan/Romney/Rebublican and, in that context , it makes sense and clearly fits! So thank you Mr Ryan for you precise analysis of your ticket and party. And, might I add who knows better then you.
    The Republican party is running so hard and fast to the center and away from their core values, their Party Platform and the Ryan Budget, but I guess it’s their formula for winning in November. So, their loss in November is Americans greatest gain.

  • nomaster

    Young ideologues like Ryan can’t see beyound their inflated ego. They lack the true reality and expererience they want to portray. The extreme republican right wind has won out this go around and has seemed to overtake the party. They believe that by blatant deceit they can pursue minds, hopefully human beings are a little bit deeper than the big Hoax.

  • ridemybroom

    i wanna know when the GOP decided they needed an theist to run for VP and a tax invader to run for Pres….shame on these ppl…..

  • ridemybroom

    i wanna know when the GOP decided they needed an atheist to run for VP and a tax invader to run for Pres….shame on these people !!

  • Mitt Romney was flying around in his wife’s hot air balloon realized he was lost. He lowered his altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. Mitt shouted to him, “Excuse me, can you help me? I promised Paul Ryan I would meet him an hour ago at the convention hall, but I don’t know where I am.” The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, “You’re in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.

    Mitt rolled his eyes and said, “You must be a Democrat.” “I am,”replied the man. “How did you know?” “Well,” answered Mitt, everything you told me is probably correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I’m still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been much help to me.”

    The man smiled and responded, “You must be a Republican.” “I am,” replied the increasing flustered Romney. “How did you know?” “Well,” said the man, “you don’t know where you are or where you’re going. You’ve risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You’re in exactly the same position you were in before we met but, somehow, now it’s my fault.”

  • Landsende

    So far no teathuglican has mentioned that the reason they won’t raise taxes is because they signed a pledge to Grover Norquist, the real power behind the teathuglican party. If Romney is elected he will have no real power to fix the economy because of his pledge to Norquist.

  • onedonewong

    This country has been suffering under 6 years of Democratic rule and it shows 15% unemployment and $10 trillion in new debt and they want another 4 years?? Really how much worse can they make it

    • Dumbfuckistan

      That’s only a measure of how much WORSE things would been under further Republican “leadership.”

      • onedonewong

        Did I studder?? I provided you with the Dems record over the past 6 years

    • ottokristen

      I beg your pardon.Are you serious?You sound like 6 years old.

      • onedonewong

        When was the last time you read a paper ?? Obviously its been 10 years or longer with that comment

  • Why can relatively small countries, such as the Netherlands, build some of the best levees in the world to protect their population and infrastruture and the best we can do is build Third World country style levees? The reason has nothing to do with knowledge or the ability to do what is right, but the demonization of government that has been the norm for decades and has now reached a crescendo. If the GOP believes government does not have a role in building infrastructure, why don’t they talk to the Koch brothers and other wealthy Americans to see if they are willing to build what the GOP believes private industry should do? All they will have to do is promise the Koch brothers a guaranteed profit margin and I am sure states like Louisiana will get what they need…for a price they can not afford.

  • Dumbfuckistan

    Has anyone mentioned the presidential candidate’s name at this convention so far this week? What’s his name…Mick something?

  • ottokristen

    I was amazed how cleverly this guy can insinuate half truth and how ingeniously he can dress up a lie,that if you didn’t know the reality,you would fall for it just like the pretty naive girls at the convention and you even could get tears in your eyes and scream hip,hip,hurray.

  • Missed his speech because I knew it would be filled with lies. His voting record and budget plan were showed that. Did watch the Jay Leno Tonight Show and the local news. Bill Maher really pointed out all the lies.

  • joceandre

    I know for a fact that PAUL RYAN is a drunk. In fact had they bother check his back pocket they would have found the flat bottle of old booze. ALL they do is lie , lie, lie. There is nothing wrong with being a republican or a democrat or whatever party you may choose after all this America land of the free. There are enough problems with our country that need to be addressed however stick to the facts which are since this president got in office he has encountered more blockage than any other presidents in history. Frankly it is a shame the republicans lined up like a bunch of vultures over rotten meat to stop Mr Obama in whatever he needed to accomplish for the benefit of the country, and tonight watching Clint Eastwood and that stupid empty chair is proof of the hatred that these red necks still feel. To me I thought that this octogenarian needed to be confined to his rocking chair, clearly tonight he was not wearing his diaper that is why he moved his bowels all over the floor in that convention.

    • dtgraham

      Can you tell us a little more about this? There was a poster here not long ago who felt sure that Ryan was doing coke. I’m wondering now if there’s something to this. Enquiring minds want to know.

      • joceandre

        Not only they should release their tax statements , they should also release their piss test then we would know exactly what they are on. I also heard the coke thing.

      • ObozoMustGo

        dt… what’s up Canada? I hope you are well.

        In response to this foolish post and deliberate slander with a made up lie…..

        I’ve heard that Obozo was doing coke and smoking lots of pot. And I heard that FROM HIM!!! In his own words.

        So if you want to start slinging the drug mud with lies, I’ll be happy to sling it back with TRUTH!!!

        Have a nice day!

        “Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
        the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
        its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
        — Winston Churchill

        • dtgraham

          Normally I have no interest in that sort of thing. It was when I read it about Ryan the second time here from two different posters that I got a little curious.

          “Herbert Hoover once ran on the slogan..two cars in every garage.”
          “Apparently the Republican candidate this year is running on the
          slogan..two families in every garage..”
          — Harry Truman

          “I intend to beat Obozo in the battle of the quotes..”

          • ObozoMustGo

            dt… you crack me up! 🙂

            Have a nice day!

            “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell

        • David L. Allison

          And England has universal health care. Go figure. I guess Churchill, unlike Stupid here, knew the definition of socialism and would have found this republican troll’s comment bewildering.

          • dtgraham

            Churchill never opposed the National Health Insurance. Good point David.

          • ObozoMustGo

            David…. don’t be so quick to post as though you are informed when you are not. You were probably too busy being a marine to learn this stuff, which is OK by the way. Thank you for your service to America. Here’s the timeline as an FYI:

            Churchill took over as PM in 1940 when Chamberlin resigned. He remained in the post until the Labour Party took over in 1945 just after the war. The concept of socialized medicine and the NHS took hold at the urging of a Labour Party leader named Beven (spelling???) and was passed in 1948 claiming that all medical care would be free at the point of service. Churchill was long gone when that passed. He made a comeback as PM from 51 to 55 and then retired. It’s not clear that he was ever an advocate of socialized medicine, particularly as outspoken as he was against communism and socialism. If you have other info that would clarify this further, I would be interested to see it. Also, I don’t mind being called stupid, but if you’re gonna throw the names out, at least don’t make yourself out to be the definition of that which you may accuse others of being. It makes you a fool. And I don’t want any retired marines to look like fools, even if I disagree with them politically. Hope this helps.

            Have a nice day!

            “Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. The Marines don’t have that problem.” – PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN

          • ObozoMustGo

            UPDATE: Scratch the marine comments about you personally… had my comment window shrunk and did not see that you do “marine conservation”, not US Marines… “conservation” was cut off. My sentiments to any US Marine stands the same, however.

            Have a nice day!

            “Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
            the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
            its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
            — Winston Churchill

  • We “let” G.Bush destroy this country in 8 years but expected Obama to clean up the mess and undo all the wrongs in less than 2 and then allowed the “moneymen” to bring in the real thugs, the Tea Partiers, because thanks to all those right-wing whacko extremists, voters believed Obama wasn’t doing his job. Never mind he met with obstruction, delay and sabotage every step of the way for anything he tried to implement. When is someone going to be able to stand up and expose the conspiracy that holds this country in bondage?

    • ottokristen

      Dear Kathy,keep talking about this to people you know and even to people you don’t know.I do it, in spite many times I become very unpopular, and to some quite annoying.My wife many times tells me to shut up,but I can not.I even lost some Republican friends.But so what.If they reject me as a friend for speaking my mind out,they probably weren’t good friends after all.I even composed a song I called “Letter to president Obama”. You can see it on YouTube on my channel “2137otto”.
      If everyone of us here, would talk to as many people she or he can make to listen,I think we all can make a difference.

  • The GI bill moved 1/3 of American households from renting in overcrowded tenements to their own homes in the suburbs. It also made the American Higher Education system an avenue for upward mobility instead of just a country club for the elite. It also benefitted Whites almost exclusively, and is probably the main reason for the persistence of racial inequality in terms of both wealth and opportunity in this country. For the republicans to tout “self-sufficiency” when they have such a legacy of benefiting from government largess is the height of hypocrisy. Oh, did I mention that the brown-noser Lyin Ryan went to college on Social Security funds?

  • After all the lies he’s told to date why would anyone believe ANYTHING Ryan says?

    It seems he has some kind of sick compulsion to lie, even when it serves no real purpose (even a dishonest purpose) and the lie can easily be found out.

    No, he didn’t run a marathon in under three hours. He’s now been forced to admit hat was a lie.

    He lied about the GM plant in Janesvile, Wisconsin that was closed while George Bush was still President, in December 2008: but Ryan in his speech at the Republican Convention falsely blamed the closure on President Obama. Now Ryan is wriggling, trying to claim he didn’t say it (yet another lie).

    There’s a reason why Paul Ryan is known as Lyin’ Ryan.

    And no, I do NOT believe Lyin’ Ryan climbed “close to 40″ of the 54 “fourteener” peaks (14,000 ft. or so) in Colorado

    This man does not have the character to be a “heartbeat away” from becoming the President of the United States.

    OBAMA 2012 !!!

  • Paradise12345

    All Obamanites, listen up if you have the capability to shake off the zombie daze of truly thinking there has been change when there has been only a stagnating pool of broken promises over the last four years. You are craaaazzzyyy if you can not see through President Bluff’s equivocating. So much for the media delighting to point out Romney’s trivial bungling when Obama has been one of the paramount bunglers in US history for four long years. He has prostituted our economy and exumberantly made gay marriage a piece of cake that should be eaten by all. Mr. Romney, I salute you and trust that in November all will be well for the state of the union.