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Tuesday, March 19, 2019

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an effort to help Republican Donald Trump’s electoral chances by discrediting Democrat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential campaign, U.S. intelligence agencies said in an assessment on Friday.

Russia’s objectives were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate former secretary of state Clinton, make it harder for her to win and harm her presidency if she did, an unclassified report released by the top U.S. intelligence agency said.

“We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election,” the report said. “We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.”

The agencies believe Russian military intelligence used intermediaries such as WikiLeaks, DCLeaks.com and the Guccifer 2.0 personal to release emails that it had acquired from the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and top Democrats as part of the effort. It said the operation went for “targets associated with both major US political parties.”

The report assessed with “high confidence” that the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency, had used those intermediaries to release “US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets and relayed material to WikiLeaks.”

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has said he did not receive emails stolen from the DNC and top Hillary Clinton aide John Podesta from “a state party.” Assange did not rule out the possibility that he got the material from a third party.

Russian actors were not found to have targeted U.S. systems that are involved in tallying votes, the report said. The report was produced by the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency.

Russia denies the U.S. government’s allegations of hacking during the election campaign.

Trump, who has developed a rocky relationship with U.S. spy agencies, defended the legitimacy of his election victory after he received a nearly two-hour briefing on their conclusion that Russia had staged cyber attacks during the 2016 campaign.

Clinton won the nationwide popular vote but lost in the Electoral College that formally elects the president.

In a statement after the briefing, Trump did not squarely address whether he was told of the agencies’ belief Russia carried out the hacking.

Instead, he said: “Russia, China, other countries, outside groups and people are consistently trying to break through the cyber infrastructure of our governmental institutions, businesses and organizations” including the DNC.

“There was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election including the fact that there was no tampering whatsoever with voting machines,” Trump said.

The New York businessman, who is to be inaugurated as president on Jan. 20, also said he would appoint a team to give him a plan within 90 days of taking office on how to prevent cyber attacks but suggested that he would keep their recommendations secret.

“The methods, tools and tactics we use to keep America safe should not be a public discussion that will benefit those who seek to do us harm,” Trump said.

(Reporting by Steve Holland, Mark Hosenball, Yara Bayoumy and Warren Strobel in Washington; additional reporting by Amy Tennery, Patricia Zengerle, Dustin Volz, David Alexander, Susan Heavey; Writing by Arshad Mohammed in Washington; Editing by Grant McCool)

IMAGE: Russia’s President Vladimir Putin makes his annual New Year address to the nation in Moscow, Russia, December 31, 2016. Sputnik/Mikhail Klimentyev/Kremlin via REUTERS

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107 responses to “U.S. Intel Report: Putin Directed Cyber Campaign To Help Trump”

  1. Donald can cry foul and deny the reports till the cows come home, but there will forever be a stain over the Election. He’ll have to be content with being in essence an illegitimate
    President. Sorry Donald, but you brought all of this on yourself—No one put a gun to your head over the past several decades to become the person you are today.

  2. “The methods, tools and tactics we use to keep America safe should not be a public discussion that will benefit those who seek to do us harm,” Trump said.

    Yes, Donald—Whatever.

  3. Dominick Vila says:

    The fact that whomever hacked the DNC database and leaked private correspondence to Wikileaks for the purpose of destroying the credibility of Hillary Clinton and Democrats in general is not even conjecture. It is a fact. That Trump is dismissing Russian involvement by stating that it could have been anyone else demonstrates how obtuse he is, how grateful he is to those who helped him win, and how obligated he is now to reciprocate for services rendered. Yes, it could have been anyone, but it happened to be his beloved Russians, and that reality he cannot change. What he does not seem to understand, however, is that as President he is expected to protect and defend our sovereignty. An inconvenient requirement for the Office he is about to occupy, that he continues to dismiss as nothing more than a nuisance.

    • Mama Bear says:

      unfortunately I think you are spot on.

    • mike says:

      He has not dismissed the facts given yesterday. He said within 90 days of taking the oath he wants a plan.

      The big question is why Obama has failed to protect the country. He has known this was going on from China and Russia and others for years. What has he done to China ha cling 20 million documents and the technology stolen. Obama has known about Russia for years and in the last 18 months was well aware of Russian hacking and his strongest remark to Putin is “knock it off.”
      How silly and weak.
      What we did find yesterday is that hackers had no effect on voting tallies. Polls have shown around 70% of voters said hacks “did not” change their votes.
      We now know the incompetence of DNC and Podesta people protecting their own systems.
      I expect trump to implement stronger security protocols than the incompetent Obama administration.

      No country should be able to have any influence on our elections.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        He has not dismissed the facts given yesterday because he knows he CAN’T.

        Obama protected this country. No 9/11 on Obama’s watch. That was YOUR boy Bush’s watch. Obama has a stellar record of foreign policy. Now Trump wants to kiss Russian butt and pit the US against China?

        You are a really, really, really undereducated moron aren’t you?

        • mike says:

          Your Delusional thinking continues.
          Obama sure didn’t protect the country from cyber attacks. China got millions of our technology secrets and private information.
          “Stellar record of foreign policy” wrong again. His legacy will be failure.
          You can try to rewrite history but the fact is November 8th changed the world for the better and all you can do is throw your tantrums, turn yourself inside out to no avail.
          911 was on Bush’s watch but that’s about it. Billy boy Clinton incompetence leading up to 911 plays a large role in the tragedy.
          Time for you to go stick your head back to you know where again.

          • jmprint says:

            WRONG!

          • jmprint says:

            “His legacy will be failure.” You are WRONG!

          • mike says:

            We will see!
            His legacy program, ACA, is on life support and won’t survive.
            On his foreign affairs policies he is toast. Red line in Syria and ISIS a JV team, etc.

          • I Am Helpy says:

            I love that you got nothing but copy-pasting other people’s dumb takes. “JV team” chortle hyuk that’ll sure show him.

            Also, why are you reveling in American citizens getting sick and dying? Oh, right, you’re unpatriotic America-hating garbage.

          • Dominick Vila says:

            His legacy include preventing the U.S. economy from the collapse announced

            by his predecessor in 2008. Saving GM and Chrysler from bankruptcy. Proposing and championing a stimulus package that turned a net loss of 800,000 jobs a month into an average gain of 200,000 jobs. Presiding over a stock market rise from 7,000 points in January 2009 to an average of 18,500 the last few years. Reducing budget deficits by 2/3. Fighting for equality. Ending the slaughter in Iraq. Ending the use of torture. Re-establishing diplomatic and trade relations with Cuba. Restoring our credibility worldwide. Last, but not least, no 9/11 throughout his tenure. No sex scandals. Just an honest man trying to do the best he could to help his fellow citizens, and keep us safe. You can criticize his legacy all you want, compared to W’s, and the disgusting and irresponsible statements that Trump made throughout his campaign, and continues to make, President Obama is easily among the 5 best President in U.S. history.

          • mike says:

            Yes, he helped stabilize a bad situation but after that he accomplished very little for the economy.
            Dom, he had nothing to do with the Stock Market, It was the fed and its very low interest rates.
            Walked away from iraq claiming it was over immunity for troops. But now we have more in iraq without any immunity agreement. We watched a monster grow and then he called them the JV team.
            What an accomplishment Cuba. Big Whoopty doo!
            Monthly average of 200,000 jobs which 90% are part-time or contract. A GDP which averaged 1.5. Annual GDP that never hit 3%
            You don’t talk about the 1000+ democratic state legislative seats lost under Obama. Not to mention the House, Senate and now WH.
            What is most evident is When Obama exits the White House, he’ll leave behind a Democratic Party that languished in his shadow for years and is searching for itself…

            He won’t be in the top half when it is all said and done.

          • I Am Helpy says:

            What part of the Constitution gives Obama the duty of providing internet security to private corporations? Oh right, none, you’re just full of stupid.

          • mike says:

            So typical of you showing your ignorance.
            You dumb bitch the Chinese hacked the OPM a federal agency.
            https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/04/us-government-massive-data-breach-employee-records-security-clearances

          • I Am Helpy says:

            And Obama responded to that, forcefully. I get that, as a Republican, you value toothlessly appeasing murderous dictators, but foreign relations is no place for your brand of spineless cowardice.

          • mike says:

            Only after the fact did Obama show concern.
            Obama knew for 18 months of the increased hacking from Russia and did little until they exposed the hypocricy of the democratic party. What did he say to Putin in September “cut it out” talk about spineless.

          • I Am Helpy says:

            Are you… are you complaining that Obama isn’t able to see the future? You’re so dumb, it’s impossible to rule that out. But never mind that – your greatest idiocy is that you seem to think that the President controls security budgets, and not the (Republican) Congress. In much the same way that they caused Benghazi, the only parties guilty of incompetency here remain the Republicans. Still, I guess it’s better than your outright sedition & treason.

          • mike says:

            There you go again acting stupidly. The Obama, like all presidents, submits a budget. In 2013 his budget cut 8% out of the intelligence budget for 2014 even as those agencies dealt with across-the-board spending cuts imposed by sequester. It took until 2016 budget to get back to the 2013 budget level. Wrong again nincompoop!

            Obama knew for 18 months of the increased hacking from Russia and did little until they exposed the hypocricy of the democratic party. What did he say to Putin in September “cut it out” talk about spineless.

          • I Am Helpy says:

            Sorry that you’re so mad at “The Obama” that you can no longer understand facts. It’s because you’re very, very stupid.

          • Dominick Vila says:

            The U.S. government has pursued preventive measures to at least limit the probability of foreign espionage for decades, and that includes cyber intelligence, and working with the most advanced computer hardware and software companies in the country, encryption, building firewalls, etc. Unfortunately, technology is changing so rapidly that it is often almost impossible to keep up with tools available, not only to us, but to our enemies and competitors.
            What is different this time is not the fact that we have been engaged in cyber warfare, but that a President-elect publicly encouraged an enemy of the USA to spy on us, and share their findings with the world. The name for that is treason.

          • mike says:

            “Treason” what a crock of sh*t. With the amount of hatred towardTrump if there was a case the democratic party and Obama would be in filing charges.
            You and rest of your ilk will try anything to discredit or delegitimize Tump to make him less effective. Problem is, you can’t. Trump will be the next President of the United States and you can’t do squat about it.

          • Dominick Vila says:

            Trump will be the next President. That is not in dispute. What deserves attention is what did he do to win, and in this specific instance, why did a man who encouraged another super power to spy on us win a presidential election? What happened to patriotism?

          • mike says:

            Dom, your argument is lame. If there was a scintilla of evidence the apoplectic democrats would have been all over it.
            What he did to win was to have a far better message of hope and real change. Voters voted their wallet/pocketbooks and were sick of the social-warrior mentality of the Obama administration
            Russia was already spying on the U.S. and everybody in the country knew it. Trump, If you got it let it out. If hillary hadn’t tried to Hide her actions this would be a nothing, but she didn’t.
            Trump, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”

          • Dominick Vila says:

            Thank you for providing the exact words that Trump used to encourage the Russians to spy on the USA and influence the outcome of an election.

          • mike says:

            LOL! What a silly post on your part. PS I that’s the second time I gave you his quote, so looks like I need to say everything twice to for it to register with you.
            Keep that denial going on what a sh**ty candidate the left put up that even the Obama’s couldn’t save. You, Hillary and the rest of your ilk had no idea what average Americans wanted and they hit you right between the eyes in Novemeber with it
            Save me your outrage over Trump comments when Ted, the women killer, Icon of the left tried to have a foreign power change an electon. You and your stupid “Treason.” Try this on for size.
            According to Soviet documents unearthed in the early 1990’s, Kennedy literally asked the Soviets, avowed enemies of the U.S., to intervene on behalf of the Democratic party in the 1984 elections. Kennedy’s communist communique was so secret that it was not discovered until 1991, eight years after Kennedy had initiated his Soviet gambit:
            Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

            “On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

            Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

            Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.

            First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

            Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.”

            Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air time–and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism.

            Here’s another
            http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html

          • Sand_Cat says:

            Another mindless Trump sycophant tries to “rewrite history.”

          • mike says:

            Far from mindless. Nice try on that rewriting BS.

          • Poor mikey. Try as he may, he remains entangled in a web of self-delusion, while being a pom pom girl for Trump, and steadily bangs the drum and beats dead horses.

            A pall of darkness hangs over you like a dense fog.

          • mike says:

            A-aron
            I think you’re more confused than ever.
            I know you were referring to the democratic party when you said “A pall of darkness hangs over you like a dense fog.” Look at the democratic party. In 6 short years the party lost all their power. Under Obama the left has lost the WH, House, Senate, 12 Governorships and 1000 state legislative seats. The consequence of these loses will be seen in SCOTUS, 100 federal judge appointments, EO’s, AO’s, regulations removed, and much more. Obama’s failed policies will be eviscerated.

            No, the dense fog is in your vacuous head,

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Mikeee’s mommy forgot to wean her lil sweetum and he is deprived of breast milk again?

            First of all, No one can protect ANY country from cyber attacks you dipshit. That’s why Germany, Italy and France all had cyber attacks. If you actually knew anything about hackers, you’d know they are more than capable of breaking into any system. I should know asshat…I worked for Frank Lautenberg’s ADP for 5 years. They had the most secure system in the country and still got hacked even with having daily password changes and constant changes to system passwords of 5 levels.

            Nice that you show what a utter moron you are. Let me know how many millions YOU made last year from YOUR hacking Bitchy Boy.

          • mike says:

            When did I say anything about complete protection from being hacked. What you are missing in the 2014 budget Obama cut 8% out of the intelligence budget even as those agencies dealt with across-the-board spending cuts imposed by sequester. You ignore the USPS, WH unclassified system, NOAA and State Department being hacked 2014, topped off by China’s massive breach.
            Knowing that cyper hacking had jumped 35% between 2010-13 tells me he was acting normally for him, clueless.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            First of all moron, it is the House of Representatives whose duty it is to disperse funding and to make cuts. Then, the Senate either approves or disapproves of it. It goes to the President last you jackass. If he agrees, he signs it. If not, he vetoes it.

            Now, asshat. Who has the majority and has had since 2010 in the House? REPUBLICANS. Since 2010, the Republican HOUSE Majority has cut the budget in places they knew would lead to enough slush money to send back to their states. 65% of EVERY US budget goes right back to Republican States. According to the Government Accountability Office records of the past 2 decades, the Republican states get back well over the $1 they all pay in federal taxes. From $1.35 up to Alaska’s $1.87. The Dem states get an average of 55 cents for every $1 we pay. Time to get off your lazy bum duffs and start paying your fair share.

            You ignore $17 billion last year to Big Oil. Big Oil needs that money? You ignore the 57% of the Defense Budget 52% of which went to the State of VA, the largest trough feeder of military budgets. You ignore the money the Republicans wasted on investigations…Benghazi bite you in your butt yet? All those GET HILLARY investigations you think we’ll just forget cost us into the tens of millions? Don’t you EVER talk about waste until you have the balls to admit your Republicans take our tax dollars and spend them as if they owned them.

          • mike says:

            The President SENDS HIS PROPOSED BUDGET to Congress the Congress goes through its process then sends the final version to the president to sign or veto. Only in your eyes does the president have no say.
            You mean the state VA that voted democrat the last 3 elections, with two democratic Senators, home of the Pentagon getting all that money?
            You seem to ignore or are just plain uninformed as to the Obama administrations burying of the McKinsey report on 125 billion in waste at the DoD. Carter deliberately buried the report. So save me your outrage when the Obama administration is just as guilty.
            Eleanore when is the Coronation of Hillary?

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            44 presidents have sent proposed budgets to Congress asshat. DUH. Now do you want to explain why when Obama did that your Republicans rip that proposed budget to shreds and now is bitching because they Dems plan to do the same to them?

            The state of VA gets 52% of a 57% military budget. If you don’t know that asshat, that’s your problem.

            Don’t for one minute think the Dems will not defy your Republican bullies and you. You can’t control anyone, least of all your mentally ill self.

            You can bitch all you like about Obama MIKeeeeeeeeeee…but you have only your big mouth and no balls to back up what you post. Your Republicans spent 8 years refusing to allow President Obama to do his job. Or as Mitch YOUR Bitch said in March 2009, “WE will get rid of Obama.” Didn’t did they bitchy boy? But you bet your trailer sized butt that your Pretender to the Presidency will be gone by March 2017..What goes around? Comes around.

          • mike says:

            You got it, 44 presidents send a budget to Congress.Who said that the presidents budger is rubber stamped by the Congress.
            You said,”Now do you want to explain why when Obama did that your Republicans rip that proposed budget to shreds and now is bitching because they Dems plan to do the same to them?” How can that be since the Republicans control the House and Senate. Not the other way around. The dems can’t shred sh*t.
            Wrong again you dumb beach. Mitch said during the midterms of 2010. My Gosh you are pathetic.
            The Facts
            McConnell made his remarks in an interview that appeared in the National Journal on Oct. 23, 2010 — nearly two years after Obama was elected president.

            Huffington post march 12th 2013
            Here’s what McConnell said in an Oct. 23, 2010, Q&A interview with the National Journal just prior to the midterm elections.
            McConnell: We need to be honest with the public. This election is about them, not us. And we need to treat this election as the first step in retaking the government. We need to say to everyone on Election Day, “Those of you who helped make this a good day, you need to go out and help us finish the job.”
            National Journal: What’s the job?
            McConnell: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.
            National Journal: Does that mean endless, or at least frequent, confrontation with the president?
            McConnell: If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he’s willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it’s not inappropriate for us to do business with him.
            National Journal: What are the big issues?
            McConnell: It is possible the president’s advisers will tell him he has to do something to get right with the public on his levels of spending and [on] lowering the national debt. If he were to heed that advice, he would, I imagine, find more support among our conference than he would among some in the Senate in his own party. I don’t want the president to fail; I want him to change. So, we’ll see. The next move is going to be up to him.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            44 presidents send a budget…That is ALL they can do. Where in the hell did you get the idea that the HOuse Republican Majority is not equal to all other branches of governmet.

            The Republicans in 2009 refused to extend unemployment to the 8 million your Republicans and Bush/Cheney unemployed by shipping jobs offshore en masse from 2004 to 2008 even when they were warned that it would cause massive unemployment.

            That bastard McConnell is about to be taken down big time. He knows all about that election rigging and he was the one who looked the other way. We all knew there was NO WAY Republicans would EVER win the popular vote as was proven by the fact that at this time, Hillary won more than 2.6 million more popular votes than Trump.

            It isn’t the first time the GOP used the Electoral College to rig an election..it is now the third time and I will have the supreme pleasure of reminding you of this when all of that CIA data proving Trump and Putin masterminded the rigging of the election makes a total ass of you.

          • mike says:

            All 44 presidents can either sign or not sign. So your “that’s All they can do” is rubbish. To say that a president doesn’t get involved in the process is even more ludicrous.
            To the rest of your post. ????????
            Until they verify all this so-called collusion hearsay, you have nothing more than more of your own irrational speculation.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            That is not what I posted you lying SOB. You right wingers think all you have to do is reinterpret like that Conbitch Conway does and you’ll get away with it.

            The Legislative, Executive and Judicial Branches of the government are set forth in the US Constitution as Totally Equal. However, that has never stopped Republicans from trying their little games like you do to upset that balance of power. So asshat…tell me…How involved in the process of seating a SC justice was Obama and who prevented it?

            You can keep blathering on and on and on and on until your behind is so fat you can’t lift if from your computer chair. But you will not get the last word from me. So either give it up or stop trying to prove superiority you NEVER had.

          • mike says:

            Your nuts.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            I know you think there are women out there you can game and get away with it. I am NOT one of them. I have spent my entire life always outnumbered by men. To your shock and awe, that was THE most valuable education on men’s games I could ever have gotten.

            Trump bought his way into the GOP nomination as HE SAID in the 2nd debate “I paid $100 million to my campaign.” The question is, where did he get that money from?

            Check the number of fines and lawsuits he was flooded with from 2001 and you see why he had NO choice but to borrow money. But, and here is the big butt most of us in the NY/NJ Metro Area all knew: The US biggest banks wouldn’t lend Trump any more money because of that flood of fines and lawsuits, some of them from the government like FinCEN. No bank will get involved in handing credit to a liar like Trump who had 3 warnings to cease and desist by FinCEN and the U.S. Treasury to stop allowing those Middle Eastern high rollers from laundering money to terrorists at his Taj Mahal Casino. All of this is a matter of court record. Don’t bother to deny it.

            But, it does explain the typical childish behavior and attitude of Trump to blame all Muslims for him getting that $22 million FinCEN fine that caused him to have to close the Taj Mahal and sell it. He allowed those Muslim high rollers to launder money but now it’s ALL Muslims fault? If you are stupid enough to think Trump EVER cared about Muslims or terrorists until he got that fine, you show how little YOU know about Trump. Where was he on 9/11? No where near Ground Zero. And he never showed up in NYC until weeks after 9/11. So much for his patriotism and 9/11 sympathizing.

          • mike says:

            My gosh, your irrational posts continues.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Right..My posts are irrational but YOURs are the ones the other posters reject. Get professional help moron. You brain is seriously damaged.

          • mike says:

            No, you were irrational with “women will vote in a monolithic block” and it still continues with all your other deranged remarks about bank loans and his ability to put up a 100 million for his campaign. In 2015 we see a line of credit for 170 million for a hotel in DC, that doesn’t look like a denial.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Sorry Mikkee little balls. Women did vote in a monolithic bloc. You can’t lose a rigged election moron. You continue to live in your fantasy world about Trump.

            I know he has 6 bankruptcies he dumped on my state of NJ. SIX..got that dipshit? SIX SIX and that’s ONLY NJ. What about the fines he’s gotten over the last 3 decades?

            Proof Mikkee Little Balls can’t admit: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/01/donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/

            When it comes to federal lawsuits with fines more proof you can’t mentally process: http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/we-investigated-donald-trump-is-named-in-at-least-169-federal-lawsuits/

          • mike says:

            No, two years ago you said “all” women would rally around Hillary as a monolithic group because of her gender. I told you you were nuts then that hasn’t changed.

      • Dominick Vila says:

        A plan is not needed to make an unambiguous statement telling everyone that if someone meddles in our internal affairs, and violate our sovereignty, they can expect retaliation. The reason Trump cannot say or do anything is because he publicly encouraged the Russians to spy on us, and encouraged Wikileaks to make the information obtained via hacking public. If Congress, or our Judicial system, conclude that a criminal act was committed, where would that leave President Trump? Impeachment? He has no choice but to dismiss everything, minimize the importance of what happened, and engage in a delaying tactic until people lose interest and the issue goes away.
        What happened involves more than just the Russians. It involves more than influencing the outcome of a U.S. Presidential election. It does, in fact, involve a President-elect who was complicit in what happened.

        • mike says:

          Your post is a crock of sh*t.
          Hillary used an unprotected, unauthorized, server and had deleted 30,000 emails which by federal law is these emails are property of the federal govt. and could not be deleted. What is even more glaring is the fact a federal subpoena had been served. Everyone knows hacking has been going on for years but this year they got in and exposed the left for what they are hypocrites. No wonder you’re so upset the truth has finally come out. Trump said, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Remember Comey on July 5th said her “reckless behavior” does not rule out being hacked.
          Remarks like “Impeachment”, “complicit” makes you look like an even bigger loser than on the 8th of November.
          Trump won! Get over it. Nothing you can say or do will change the fact the the left got annihilated. In 6 short years you have lost the House, Senate, WH, 12 governorships and 1000 state legislative seats under Obama.

          No matter what ridiculous horse manure comments you make Trump will have a plan.

          T-13 days until the 45th president is sworn in. PS it isn’t that lying old hag Hillary. Enjoy your weekend

      • jmprint says:

        Your post is a crock of sh*t.

      • I Am Helpy says:

        Wow. WOW. You are the dumbest guy here, and that’s including InformedVoter, who somebody tricked into believing he’d won a Good Posting award.

  4. Thoughtopsy says:

    “If I do admit that I knew that Russia helped me, I’m going to do it in secret… along with a secret plan to secretly help them secretly do it aga… I mean… STOP them secretly doing it again.”
    – Con Man Cheeto Jesus

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      According to several friends in Manhattan, Trump now has over 17 security agencies guarding him. THAT is how insecure he is about ever getting to be sworn in. Anyone who owes Russians money knows they never take out the one who owes…they take out family…piece by disgusting piece.

  5. Mama Bear says:

    He is an illegitimate president. Period. We all know that there is something very wrong with him. He will be removed from office within the first year.

    • bobnstuff says:

      From your lips to Gods ear.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        MB..I agree. First of all, what the Republicans fear most is being outed for their complicity in this Russian hacking. The question is when did they know and why did they refuse to stop it?

        The worst of it for the right wing and Republicans is that they stupidly believe Americans will just pretend it is all “okay” and “normal.” What the hell is normal about massive conflict of interest we can’t begin to know because a president is too cowardly to show his tax records? Control freak? What else.

        Control freaks don’t last. We’ve seen that too many times in history.

        • tbs says:

          You are the ones who are uneducated about what a President is required to show, to run!
          Trump is NOT required to show his taxes to you! All you want to do, is try and find one tiny thing, you do not agree with (because you do not know business workings at all) to pick apart and try and make a fake case out of ……because you cannot accept you lost and are very bad American citizen and losers!
          Get a life and suck it up!
          We need to unite for this country to survive. AND if you keep bashing and spreading fake twisted tumors around it is obvious you do not want our country to survive against ISIS, our debt problems, both parties working across the aisle, peace, and a country free from conflict of ANY kind!
          Your choice and over these past weeks since Trump was elected you have shown that already and so is your choice to do! ????

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Wrong moron. Why do you think YOU are the only one who has ever studied U.S. History or the U.S. Government? Sorry but I know what you didn’t allow Obama and NOW we will NOT allow Trump the same. Hurts doesn’t it?

          • Jan123456 says:

            Trump is NOT required to show his taxes to you!

            And Obama was not required to show his birth certificate, but how many RWNJs are still obsessed with it?

            Here’s the thng, the intelligence report said that Putin preferred rich businessmen like Trump to work with because Russia could appeal to his personal greed when there was a conflict between that and the best interests of the country.

            China had a beef with Trump as PEOTUS and what he said about Taiwan, but instead of approaching his national security team about it, they talked to his son-in-law who is looking to do more business on behalf of Trump’s company in China.

            Trump has broken with long standing precedent by not releasing his taxes. Now we the people don’t know whose best interests the new POTUS will act.

            He has lied so much, Hillary looks like Mother Teresa in comparison.

          • jmprint says:

            Trump has not shown he is capable. He is not normal, if he wants to be OUR president then he needs to earn our trust and respect. He called us enemies, bring it on.

        • idamag says:

          A lot of right wingers will just pretend it is lie and everything is okay.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            They have to lie. They live in a world of delusion. When you are so easily deluded by a BS artist of world renown like Trump, right wingers have to hide how stupid they really are.

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        • Dominick Vila says:

          The worst part of it is that Trump’s public statements suggest that in addition to being fully aware of what was going on, his encouragement to spy on us and divulge findings make him complicit in a high stakes case of foreign espionage against the USA.

    • gravelgert66 says:

      Hope you are right, I can’t wait!

      • Mama Bear says:

        He is not emotionally capable of handling the job, no matter who he has surrounding him. Look how he reacted to Meryl Streep’s acceptance speech last night – supposedly the President of the United States tweeting about what she said about him. He is a pathological narcissist and has the emotional intelligence and maturity of a typical 5 year old before he learns that the world really does not exist for his pleasure. Watch his press conference Tuesday (I think it’s Tuesday) he most likely will be seriously tranquilized or he will not be able to hold a sustained thought for more that 3-4 minutes. Let’s hope there are at least two good press questions before he walks off the podium.

  6. charley williams says:

    And Trump KNEW it from the start ! Why do you think he is defending Putin so ?

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      So did McConnell and Ryan. Why else are they so hot to end the Independent Ethics Board, stop any protests on the floor of Congress, reduce the salaries of government employees to $1 who refuse to base scientific fact on climate change and women’s health issues? Why else would they dare to pass legislation that certifies that Trump is the president when no other HOuse Republicans ever had to do that before?

      Why else try to stop peaceable assembly to petition the government for redress of grievances if not to use their majority as if they are a dictatorship?

      These right wing morons actually believe that Putin only screwed over the election because of what Hillary said in 2011 about Putin rigging the Russian election that kept him in his job when his own people wanted him OUT?

      There is no way that Ryan and McConnell didn’t know about how the Russians planned to hack into DNC emails and use the information collected to screw over this election. Because…this was merely a Republican cyberspace BURGLARY of the WaterGate burglary they hatched that forced Nixon’s resignation. This time, we won’t just remove a pretender to the presidency, we wil remove the Republicans we can no longer trust not to screw over our voting rights according to the Constitution.

      All anyone has to do is check how many Republican states redistricted voting maps in the past 4 years to make sure they increased the number of Electors in their states. Now, can they “certify” that their state populations are valid to the number of electors they “claim” they are entitled to? You bet they can’t. North Carolina already got their butts in a sling for trying that and ended up in the SC.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          Does TBS stand for Treasonous BS artist? I saw and heard the NC proceedings in the SC. You can’t stand being outed can you Treasonous BS artist.

          But, I am curious. If there was only one roll of toilet tissue left in the world and it was produced by a liberal or anyone else you CONmen can’t stand, you’d have a really messy problem wouldn’t you?

        • Sand_Cat says:

          So impressed by your patriotic and utterly convincing argument for the defense. The facts you presented are exactly those given by Trump and his minions; I just can’t get over how these libtard democraps can’t seem to see or hear them.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      The reality is that when Trump got hit with so many lawsuits and fines in the early 2000s, his financial managers warned him he was no longer a billionaire but had only $995 million of his wealth remaining. He knew that if he didn’t have the money to settle these lawsuits and fines, one by one, out of court, he’d end up in jail. Remember, Mary Ann Trump, his sister, is a judge and has but to whisper in any of these court judges ears to make sure Trump got to settle out of court and not end up in jail.

      So, when he reverted back to being a $995 million millionaire in 2003, Trump was desperate and figured out another con, build a Russian Trump hotel in Moscow, showering the Russians with all kinds of promises he didn’t even have the money to pay for. When he met Melania the Nudie working in the sex industry her “contacts” were Putin’s own Russian loan sharks. Moron Trump borrowed money from them and now owes Russia big bucks. You bet he HAS to defend Putin.

      Ask any NYPD investigator of Russian mob crimes in NYC about how savage these Russian mobsters can be. They are on a par with ISIS in brutality AND have no compunctions about taking out family members. Trump is as scared a little boy as Ryan and McConnell are of being outed.

      • idamag says:

        I think you are right. Trump doesn’t come across as very affectionate toward his ex-high-paid-call-girl-and-Hustler-Magazine-nude-model. She is a convenient source for him.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          If the whispers around NY are true, Trump was a big time visitor to Russian brothels since the days when he met Ivana. Ivana claimed to be a “model” just like Melania. But, as we all know, the word “model” in Russian can mean porn model, nude art model or any other porn industry term.

          When he met that Georgia Peach, Marla Maples, she too was touted as a “model” and “beauty contestant.” He played around with Marla for 18 months until she got pregnant and then Ivana and Marla were on NY newspaper covers fighting like cats until Trump who loved that he was being “fought over” just as he loves having NY City set on its ear with all of his security he “requires” in order to feel “special, finally divorced Ivana. Ivana was always dumber than Marla. But Trump’s marriage to that lil ole Dixiebelle meant that she demanded a prenup. So, in spite, he demanded she get a paternity test for his daughter, Tiffany. That’s why you never see Tiffany incestuosly on Daddy’s lap or with Daddy’s hands all over her like Ivanka.

          When he met Melania in one of those high priced Russian brothels, she introduced him to several of Putin’s loan sharks. So, that’s why he now distances himself from her and has his hands all over Ivanka.

          • idamag says:

            That is every bit as bad as I thought he was. I did see a clip, taken at one of his ralleys, where is hands on Ivanka were creepy. They are facing each other. He starts out with his hands on her shoulders, moves them down her arms and has a hand on each hip. My father never did that.

    • idamag says:

      He doesn’t want people to know what lengths he went to to get the presidency. He needed worry. People are not that well informed and do not wish to get that well informed. It is like the religious fanatic who enters a parking lot that is full. “Oh, Jesus,” she says, “I am in a hurry.” Just then a shopper who is finished, pulls out of the parking lot and she tells everyone her prayers were answered. It was what she wanted to believe. Some of those religious people have a God that ignores the suffering of little children to bring scarlet ribbons for her hair.

  7. bobnstuff says:

    Here is something to remember, this hack has a $500 billion payout, that’s the value of the deal that democrats are blocking. Putin needed Trump to win and did what he could to make it so. The question is how much of that money will Putin give his lap dog.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      Putin has the pretender to the presidency in the palm of his hand. THAT and ONLY that is why he wanted Trump to win. Putin is former KGB. What was Trump? A billionaire making more and more unsecured financial decisions with hotels and casinos closing in the US due to his refusal to ante up what he owed to employees and contractors. When he ended up with them suing him, he knew it was settle out of quart which would vacate is wealth or go to jail. So, he did what all CEOs do who love that “secrecy” routine: he borrowed money from the Russians by promising them a hotel in Moscow. Trump is a world class BS artist.

      Putin may have handed Trump money but since Trump is refusing to disclose his tax records, (now we know why), we cannot not the facts of how much money he got from foreign sources and when.

      • idamag says:

        I would almost bet on it that Trump owes Russia big time. By letting trump get elected, this country has sunk to new lows in the areas of ethics and integrity.

      • InformedVoter says:

        Sorry Elle, nothing but naive speculation. The agencies did not agree on if it was Russia and President Trump came out of the meeting and said that their “hard evidence” does not add up and was more fantasy than fiction.
        But in typical lefty fashion, you guys are off and running with stories that are unproven. And you wonder why you are referred to as low information. A dose of truth would take you a long way.
        For the record, Putin had Obama eating out of his hand. Everything Putin wanted during Obama’s 8 years, Putin got!

        • Sand_Cat says:

          Donald Trump would come out of a meeting in which absolute and indisputable proof of truths inconvenient to him was presented and declare “that their “hard evidence” does not add up and was more fantasy than fiction, ” and it’s clear that you would do the same. Obviously it hasn’t dawned on you yet – despite frequent and indisputable evidence presented by Trump himself – that he will, and is probably psychologically compelled, to say whatever lie comes into his mind at the moment out of rage at absolutely anything said about him or his “victory” but sycophantic praise. You are outstandingly qualified to be his dedicated lap dog.

          • InformedVoter says:

            The only ones saying they are certain or Obama’s lapdogs. Other intel agencies, around the world, are saying the proof has not been made.
            So go believe the fake MSM sources, just like you did when they claimed HilLIARy was ahead in the polls. You just keep demonstrating that you’re low information.

          • Sand_Cat says:

            You of course no doubt got your “Information” from “objective” sources sources like Pravda and other Russian state media? Or even better and more likely: Breitbart, Fox, or the other professional liars from the right-wing fringes?
            “Fake MSM sources”? Guess you didn’t notice that Hillary WON the popular vote by a fairly substantial margin, despite the best efforts of morons like you and your “reliable” sources. But of course, you never believed in self-government unless the “self” referred to YOU, did you?
            “Low information”? Well, it describes you pretty well, but not so well as “dimwit,” “sucker,” “ass-kisser,” and – yes – “lapdog.”

          • InformedVoter says:

            No, HilLIARy won the national popular vote because of the fruits and nuts in CA. If you discount the mostly illegal votes she obtained in CA, then President Trump won the popular vote by 1.5 million. He carried 30 states = 60% and 7 of the 10 most populous states = 70%. By any measure, he received a MANDATE from the voters.
            Yet you keep displaying you are a low information person. I bet you believed the fake polls that showed that HilLIARy was leading. How low information is that!

          • Sand_Cat says:

            So naturally you don’t think their votes should count. What a clueless, anti-American jackass you are.

          • InformedVoter says:

            I never said that the votes (legal ones that is) should not be counted. In fact, they were and are counted in the 55 EC votes CA is allotted.
            This election is a reason the founding fathers installed the EC, to prevent one city or one state or one region from having undo influence.
            So, YUP, it’s a MANDATE.

          • Sand_Cat says:

            You really don’t learn, do you?
            First, you completely missed the point of my initial post, and you’ve never caught up.
            You haven’t a shred of evidence for your lies about illegal votes.
            The Electoral College was to preserve plutocracy, protect slavery, and gain the agreement of the various states to accept the Constitution. There is no need for it now except to elect presidents who lose the vote, i.e., George W. Bush and Donald Trump. Bush was a war criminal and a lousy president, and Trump promises to be the same, not that you would notice.
            By supporting the Electoral College, you are in fact saying that legal votes shouldn’t be counted, whatever lies you tell to cover it. If Trump had won the popular vote and lost the Electoral College, you’d be screaming your empty head off and claiming it confirms Trump’s lie that the election was “rigged.” He had as much evidence for that as he had for his claims that the intelligence is bad on Russian hacking: NONE. If he had, I’d definitely be relieved, but I couldn’t in good conscience deny that an injustice had occurred. Obviously no problem for you to do so.
            It still hasn’t dawned on you that no matter what the facts, Trump cannot bear to be criticized in any fashion on any matter, no matter how trivial, or even tolerate suggestions that his “victory” was not overwhelming and due solely to his wonderful self, without (apparently) being compelled to mouth off (or “tweet off”) with whatever lie he can think of off the cuff, no facts or evidence , nor even the slightest plausibility needed.
            “Informed voter”????? What a laugh! Your posts and your selection of that name say you are an under-informed, under-intelligent, under-ethical, incredibly over-credulous pipsqueak who is desperate to feel superior to someone in some way, and – much like Trump – needs no evidence to attempt to convince others.
            Responding to your lies, delusions, and stupidities is amusing to a point, but that point is well past. Good-bye. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c976b102c90c4e3c8392ae800e7bdff7eabe463348b1104042e7976c3ca6a580.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e1d1ce2bc39b1b8cdbad64622e6240b625263f46e226f992c32309c67c13ddf4.png

          • InformedVoter says:

            You truly are so stubborn and low information aren’t you! The EC was established to prevent one state, in this case CA, from having undo influence of the remainder of the country. Look at a map of the US and all you see are urban pockets of blue and the rest of the country red. The MAJORITY of the voters wanted change and voted for President Trump and your small mind is in meltdown mode, self-denial and having a hissy-fit.

            President Trump received a MANDATE and he’s already started to deliver on his campaign promises. How many campaign promises did Obozo deliver on? Zip!

          • Sand_Cat says:

            It’s clear you don’t believe the votes of those who disagree with you should count as much as yours, so you cling to an institution that should have been abolished long ago, just as you cling to your stupidity in believing Trump’s lies. Clearly you’re as insecure as he is, trying desperately to convince yourself that it is the rational people who are “stubborn,” rather than you.
            I think we had this conversation before, but it obviously didn’t sink in. It should bother you that your party’s last TWO presidents lost the popular vote and this one has the highest disapproval ratings of any president at this point in his term, but you keep desperately trying to claim he has some kind of mandate.
            And you’re still name calling and blaming your problems on the last guy. What a pathetic moron!

          • InformedVoter says:

            It’s clear that you do not know or understand the the US is NOT a democracy!
            The EC was established to prevent one area from having undo influence, and guess what, it has worked that way for 225+ years. The sooner you understand that, the “smarter” you will seem.

            As of now, you are looking pretty dumb.
            You guys claim the high ground, but when someone disagrees, you become bullies and do the name calling.
            I’m not the one calling names, it’s you jerks.

            You continue to make dumb posts, and since you keep losing the factual arguments, you just step up your name calling and stupid “facts”.

            The adjusted approval ratings show Obozo in the low 30s and President Trump hear 60. So tell me again how he’s not “adored” by the majority of Americans, who gave him a MANDATE size victory.

          • Sand_Cat says:

            It’s clear you are much like Trump: a petulant child who can never admit to error or misjudgment. I understand perfectly well that the US is not a democracy; if it ever was, people like you and Trump are working to assure that any resemblance to that state vanishes forever.
            Guess you’ve never thought about WHY there was such concern about preventing domination by any one region. While it’s true that some small northern states were concerned, the big guys to win were the SLAVE-holding states, which all had lower free populations – in most cases, total populations – and wanted to assure that their “liberty” and “freedom” to own and abuse human beings as they saw fit would not be threatened. The electoral college should have gone the way of the “three-fifths rule,” and other evils institutionalized to gain acceptance of the document and form a unified country. Clearly, such things don’t trouble you or Mr. Trump.
            We can all be confident that if Mr. Trump actually HAD won the popular vote – of course, neither he nor you can accept that he didn’t – but lost in the electoral college, you would be here SCREAMING at the injustice of it all.
            The fact is, the last two Republican presidents have had more rejection than support, which is no mandate at all, despite your – and Trump’s – idiotic attempts to twist the truth.
            Yes, I know who’s looking pretty dumb now: the same person who always did: you. Your announcing that you “won” the argument only shows your own doubts.
            Don’t waste more of my time.

          • InformedVoter says:

            Oh Poor Sandy, You are in meltdown mode and can’t handle the truth! The only one looking pretty dumb now IS YOU!

            The EC was put into place so that one region or state could not have undo influence over the rest of the states. Slavery had something to do with it, but only because the red states are the ones who actually produce products and thus would have lower populations.
            http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/01/you-say-you-want-a-revolution-well-you-know/
            It’s OBVIOUS that this election PROVED that the EC method is the CORRECT way to conduct an election. Otherwise CA would have had a larger say than they should have.
            ALL the maps of how the country voted (red vs. blue) CLEARLY so that President Trump not only a MANDATE, but a landslide victory. Your LAME comment about the last two GOP presidents not carrying the popular vote just shows how SMART the GOP is. They ignored the states with the fruits and nuts (like CA and NY) and focused on family values and jobs and the economy. Pretty neat the way that those who actually produce something of value vote for the GOP while those who sit back and collect handouts vote to keep the handouts going.
            You LOST this debate and I even received bonus points for the ease in which I destroyed your so-called “logic”.

            https://stellasplace1.com/2016/12/19/electoral-maps-the-reason-for-the-electoral-college/

  8. Elsewhere in this forum on the subject of having to protect data and information from the razor of Donald’s censorship and misinformation on everything under the sun, I expressed the enormity of the monster gaining in influence in the person of Donald J. Trump.
    Well, from Putin’s pernicious influences in America and in the rest of the world, anti-Christ sentiments and actions can be attributed to Vladimir Putin as well.
    It seems fitting that the two of them who share mutual admiration for each other should also share in displaying the same demonic attributes in their everyday actions and thoughts. What is even more disturbing that each are in positions to exercise with global impact the poison of an authoritarian sense of governance can potentially wield, especially in leadership roles in the two superpowers on the planet.

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  10. Eleanore Whitaker says:

    The pretender to the presidency has been sued over 3500 …thats 3,500 times in his business career. He also has more than 169 Federal lawsuits, most of which resulted in fines.

    Mikee No Balls doesn’t want this posted. That’s because Mikee NO Balls knows his Pretender President is a crook, a liar and a thief.

    The pretender is something else like Mikee No Balls…a World Class BS artist. He slings the BS with such finesse and hopes no one will dare to EVER call him out on it.

    He has told more lies since his campaign days and Mikee No BALLS stands behind every lie the Pretender President has EVER told.

    See what happens when MIkkee NO Balls Mommy and Daddy let him lie and played their “Not my SON” routine?

    • marriea says:

      I hear ya Eleanore, but unforunately, when we voice our voice, it’s like preaching to the choir.
      I have come to the horiifing belief that Trump is indeed owned by the Russians and he knows it.
      I have a deep suspecion that Putin is going to try and bring down the U S by letting the world know that all one has to do is control the top.
      Trump is trying to save his ass by playing ball with the likes of Putin and I believe that his whole family is involved.
      He’s a con man.
      I also believe that he’s a traitor to this country.
      As I ponder on the events of the past few days, I ponder on the what ifs of the entire situation.
      It is said that Trump got into debt.
      Just think, even with the 50 million that he was given in tax breaks for the last 20 years, he wasn’t able to keep his situation in hand, I think now that although someone has surmissed that he is worht billions, that isn’t actually cash that oe can put their hands on.
      Remember all those people who were ‘victims’ of Barney Madoff, they were deemed millionaires, but it was on paper only.
      Now lets suppose that Trump borrowed money from some underhanded people.
      He couldn’t make payoff, but Trump being Trump on focused on saving his own ass.
      He doesn’t have the money, but our government does.
      If he becomes president. then he could pass certain laws that an especially GOP would sign off on, and no one would question it, except the DEMS who wouldn’t matter because they are clearly in the minority.
      There was a reason Trump, who wasn’t known for his political affliations targeted the so-called Republicans rather than the DEMS.
      Various section of the DEMS questions everything and play devil’s advocate.
      Republican followers support just about everything their leaders say and do and are consistantly loyal to their party.
      When I think back to Trump be critiizing President Obama’s place of birth, he wasa lying the groundwork among his mostly white supporters.
      The more he got down and dirty, the more they liked it and with it brought in more supporters.
      Even with the thing of those e-mails, which were a non-issue in reality, he was able to turn it into something major, where as his supporters overlooked the negatives about Trump.
      He brought in all the bigots, predjudice folks of this country and made running this country about them instead of the entire country.
      And the fact that Obama is a man of color helped because Trump gave voice to their already presumption that blacks are getting over at their expense.
      Yes, Trump found his target with his white base and used it as a way to get to the presidency, with their help and many were to ‘wowed’ with him and his personna to ask why.
      There is a reason Trump won’t issue his tax returns. There is an even bigger reason why he has appointed his son and family to ‘run’ things after he takes office. They probably know that (1) their father is in trouble (2) they are in trouble also and that (3) they won’t be steering the ship but his creditors will be.
      And stupid Congress is so with trying to make anything Obama disappear, that they aren’t paying attention to the fact that their head is fucking them over also.
      Sometimes even though I hate to high heaven that they control every branch of our government, in many ways I’m happy.
      They won’t be able to blame anything on the DEMS.

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