By Henry Decker

Rand Paul: Only Fetal Personhood Can Prevent Collapse Of Civilization [Video]

August 12, 2014 3:33 pm Category: Memo Pad, Politics 60 Comments A+ / A-
Rand Paul: Only Fetal Personhood Can Prevent Collapse Of Civilization [Video]

In a recent feature in the New York Times Magazine, Robert Draper described Senator Rand Paul’s (R-KY) vision for the GOP as “libertarian — though only up to a point.”

Thanks to an interview that Senator Paul did with the American Liberty Association this week, we have a better idea of what that point is.

In the interview, Paul reiterated his strong support for fetal personhood bills — and suggested that failing to pass them could bring about the end of civilization.

“I’ve introduced legislation called the Life at Conception Act, to define when life begins: at conception. I’ve also probably co-sponsored 20-some-odd pro-life bills, I have a 100 percent voting record for pro-life,” Paul said during the interview. “But I also have taken the time to go to the March for Life. When I was there, I was the only senator who showed up for the March for Life.”

“So I do think it’s important,” Paul added. “I often say in my speeches, that I don’t think a civilization can long endure that doesn’t respect the rights of the unborn.”

So the government should stay out of people’s lives…unless there’s a fertilized embryo involved, in which case the constitutionally protected right to privacy will cause the Apocalypse.

Paul’s Life at Conception Act would extend legal rights to humans “at all stages of life, including the moment of fertilization, cloning, or other moment at which an individual member of the human species comes into being.” In practice, the bill would outlaw abortion, in addition to embryonic stem cell research and many common forms of birth control.

In the past, the senator has made no secret of his support for such measures. That appears to be changing as he prepares for a widely anticipated presidential run; in April, Paul upset some conservatives by saying that “we are not changing any [abortion] laws until the country is persuaded otherwise,” and earlier this week he told an Iowa crowd that “I think almost nobody in here wants to ban birth control.”

Abortion is just one of many issues on which Paul has flipped back and forth. Earlier this month, PolitiFact rated Paul’s claim that he’s never proposed phasing out aid to Israel as “Pants on Fire.” He has also falsely claimed that he has never opposed the Civil Rights Act, and gone from calling for an electrified underground border fence to supporting legal status for undocumented immigrants, among many other position changes.

H/t: The Raw Story

Photo: Gage Skidmore via Flickr

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  • Stuart

    I love it. The Republican 2016 clown show has begun.

    • http://socialsity.com/ LastGasp

      It’s apparent the 2012 Democrat clown show is alive and living right here.

      • jmprint

        It is very obvious that you are as clueless as your leaders.

  • TZToronto

    I don’t have a problem with a politician changing his or her mind when the change goes in the correct direction. One wonders, though, about the sincerity of the politician who changes his stance in the wrong direction. One wonders further when that change in the wrong direction is intended to glean votes from an ever-diminishing pool of voters who support that wrong position. Just how astute is that politician? . . . How about sponsoring a bill that says that every child must be provided with a viable level of sustenance, a place to live, and an education–or would that be too much to ask of that ever-diminishing constituency?

    • ralphkr

      NO! NO! NO! TZToronto, now you are spouting anti-American Fascist Communist Socialist poppycock. Children only have rights up until the moment they are born. From the moment of birth onward they are on their own. Come to think of it, Republicans are even against unborn children having a viable level of sustenance since they are against WIC. Somewhere along the line the Republicans must have read that proper pre-natal sustenance plus proper sustenance for the first five years of life is vital for the development of a child’s brain and, face it, they must realize that generation of intelligent children spells the death knell for ultra-conservatives.

      • TZToronto

        I apologize for my momentary craziness. Of course, sustenance leads to brain development, and the far right doesn’t want to have deal with developed brains. Developed brains think but aren’t so good at following blindly. So forgive my anti-American, fascist, communist, socialist ravings.

        • ralphkr

          Lord, TZT, don’t you hate it that we do not have a sarcasm font available?

          • TZToronto

            I wonder what that would look like.

  • Sand_Cat

    Maybe Rand and his supporters should consider personhood for a couple of “born” groups” the GOP has no use for: African Americans and women. I’d add the poor, but in the GOP’s mind, they’re synonymous with African Americans, which is why no help for them gets through the House.

  • Arakiba

    Libertarians are all about individual rights — even glorifying selfishness as a virtue — until it comes to women’s rights to control their own bodies. Then they become big government lovers.

    • Grannysmovin

      Libertarians are all about the individual rights that they agree with. Just like conservatives they want to legislate religious beliefs and morality based on their idea of what is moral and immoral.

      • jmprint

        I would like for them to make fried chicken with an egg. If they can do that then their theory is correct.

      • dpaano

        That’s beyond them to understand, Granny, trust me! If they actually DID understand conception, it would be a different story! Until one of them gets pregnant, they need to shut up! Birth control is NOT a government issue and never should have been!

  • Independent1

    Even with abortion levels going on as they are today, the population of the planet has some experts concerned with respect to mother nature’s ability to provide enough fresh water and food. So how does Paul justify in his own mind, that his personhood bills wouldn’t create an even bigger problem for our planet?? Civilization didn’t stop increasing for thousands of years when infant mortality, including the mother dying in childbirth, were much higher than they are even today.

    Although I’m not sure what’s driving this for Paul, many Republicans may support his bills for religious reasons, failing to realize that God knows as well as scientists that the world is headed toward overpopulation – God knew that at least 2,000 years ago when Jesus made it clear that marriage was to be between one man and one women – FOR LIFE!!! Jesus dispelled any notion that many had at the time (a notion given to them by Moses), that divorce was accepted by God and that the divorced could remarry without living in sin. God changed the rules on marriage for a reason – when are many churches going to wake up to that?

    • Dominick Vila

      What is driving Rand Paul is the need to get votes in an election year when Democrats are likely to win by a landslide.

      • highpckts

        I hope so for all our sakes!!

    • ralphkr

      The Old Testament also condones simultaneous multiple wives plus mistresses plus “laying” with slaves in addition to the wholesale rape of conquered people. Oh, for the good old days. (Some how I have mislaid the ‘sarcasm font’)

  • Dominick Vila

    Phase two in Rand’s agenda involves fetal voting rights. Let’s face it, he and the rest of the potential GOP field running for President in 2016 are going to need all the help they can get.

    • dtgraham

      I like that. Fetal voting rights. Of course if fetuses could start voting, I’m sure there would be a Republican Presidential candidate sometime in the future who’ll get caught saying…”Some of these fetuses, I’ll never get their vote.” “A certain percentage of them will vote Democrat no matter what.” “These are the kind of fetuses who believe they are dependent upon their parent’s largesse, who believe that they are helpless, who believe that their mothers have a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to an umbilical cord, to a womb, to you-name-it.”

      • latebloomingrandma

        Since “illegal aliens” are deemed less than human, so as not be be shown any kindness or charity, what if female aliens entering the US are pregnant? Are the fetuses they are carrying human but their female mothers not?

        • Dominick Vila

          Don’t forget that the Republican law is diametrically opposed to the Constitution. Consider their position on immigration, especially their calls to deport anchor babies, and this short paragraph in the 14th Amendment:

          “Citizenship is the attribute of persons who, as members of the
          polity, have certain privileges and duties in addition to those they
          have as persons. Citizens include those born on U.S. or State territory
          or naturalized according to law.”

      • Dominick Vila

        Maybe I should have called them “Redistricted Fetal Voting Rights” to ensure the vote the “right” way…
        :-(

        • dtgraham

          Much better.

      • stcroixcarp

        How could a fetus have voting rights? In Wisconsin you need a Birth Certificate, and a Social Security card to get a driver’s license or a government issued photo ID. I know that ultrasound photos are very detailed these days, but would you need a certificate of conception? How would you keep those fetuses from committing voter fraud?

  • dtgraham

    Stopping gay marriage, and having the government monitor every pregnancy in the country to enforce strict compliance of the state’s full gestation outcome is essential to Rand Paul because it’s the Republican party’s job to get government out of our lives.

    • Independent1

      Smaller government as long as it’s those parts of government that are preventing businesses and evil people from doing all the nefarious things they’d like to do that not only threaten the lives of Americans but even the viability of our planet in the name of making money.

    • latebloomingrandma

      If we have designated “persons” at the moment of conception, who’s to know? Women often don’t know they’re pregnant for several weeks. Since the average menses starts around age 12, does the young girl need to register her uterus as “empty”, like guys used to register for the draft? Is it registered at the government new bureaucracy, such as the Department of the Uterus, designated as DUH? Does it belong under HHS, or maybe Homeland Security, like ATF. This way they can do raids if anything fishy is going on in bedrooms or bathrooms. Does a spontaneous miscarriage require a coroner, who decides if the woman committed homicide? . How is all this uterus management done when the same people are trying to get rid of Planned Parenthood? Do young boys have to register their gonads as “active?” Why not keep a gov’t roster for every male using an erectile dysfunction med? Hey, if they’re going around planting seeds, they need to be accountable too.
      While all this sounds silly, what would personhood mean exactly? Has anyone really thought this through, or is this just more conservative reactionary rhetoric to garner votes of the the non-thinking people?

      • Allan Richardson

        Hopefully, it would also mean that your age would be computed from the date of conception (or best guess, anyway). That way you could start first grade, join the boy or girl scouts, smoke, vote, drink, collect Social Security, and go on Medicare nine months earlier! Of course, a frozen embryo that is thawed out and implanted after a few years’ delay might be eligible (and required) to attend kindergarten at six months.

      • dtgraham

        You do wonder don’t you. If preventing an egg, that’s been fertilized just the day before, from becoming attached to the womb is murder; then masturbation must be mass genocide to these people.

        • Theresa Jackson

          Yes because every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is good. Every sperm is needed in your neighborhood.
          Let the heathens spill theirs on the dusty ground. God will make them pay for each sperm that can’t be found.

          • dtgraham

            Yes indeed. Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great, and if a sperm gets wasted, God gets quite irate. Ain’t it the truth.

          • jmprint

            Yes, and my embryo is ready to sue his sperm.

        • dpaano

          You’ve got a point there…..maybe we need to abolish masturbation and make it punishable by imprisonment!! After all, that’s part of the reason they’re also afraid of gay marriage…..according to them, marriage is ONLY for procreation! Interesting! I wonder how many of them tell their mistresses this fact???? And, how many of their mistresses use birth control? Good question, wouldn’t you say?

      • Theresa Jackson

        “Has anyone really thought this through, or is this just more conservative reactionary rhetoric to garner votes of the the non-thinking people?”
        He is only doing this to get the votes of the braindead morons who have nothing better to do with their lives than worry about what other people are doing in their bedrooms.

      • dpaano

        Yeah, they seem to forget that it takes two to tango….if you know what I mean! Let’s give the men their Viagra so they can impregnate as many women as possible, but let’s not allow birth control for those who aren’t ready to have children. It makes NO sense whatsoever that they want to monitor women’s childbirth, but they have NOTHING to say about curbing men and their own lusts!

  • Maggie De Vore

    He is the perfect example of why all politicians should be required to take an IQ test as well as an ‘experience’ test. No corporation, business, employer hires without finding out if the person applying is smart enough and capable of doing the job.

    From dog-catcher on up!!

    • Allan Richardson

      That interview process is what VOTERS are supposed to do. But too many voters vote for the label, or the looks, or the “horse race” poll figures, or vote against the label (even a false one like “Muslim fascist communist anti-colonialist [but wasn't our country FOUNDED by anti-colonialists?]) or against some trivial personal allegation.

      A test was performed on the cable series “Brain Games” in which photographs of opposing candidates, in obscure local elections far away from the area where the test was done, with no names, parties or offices for which the candidates were running, identified. Survey participants had to guess which of two unnamed candidates won an election years in the past, of which they had heard nothing, ONLY by looking their pictures. The scary thing is, they were RIGHT more often than could be accounted for by pure chance, meaning that the ACTUAL voters in those races had ALSO voted primarily on the basis of appearance!

      • Maggie De Vore

        You are so right! We still think you can tell a book by its cover. We are so easily conned.

      • http://socialsity.com/ LastGasp

        Our country was founded by freedom seeking people who wished to escape monarchism. If they were anticolonialists there wouldn’t have been colonies.

    • stcroixcarp

      Plus they should all agree to become eunuchs. That would help them think with their brains and not with their beans and weenies.

      • Maggie De Vore

        Bravo you!!

  • jmprint

    Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are the same, they only know how to govern women’s rights. NOTHING ELSE. Any women that votes for these two idiots are TOTALLY STUPID.

  • labman57

    If I received a dollar every time a Republican politician or pundit self-righteously proclaimed that a progressive legislative proposal or public policy decision would lead to “the downfall of society as we know it” …

    • Allan Richardson

      From their point of view, they were right; the Civil Rights Act made public announcement of one’s Klan affiliation unpopular, and the Thirteenth Amendment led to the downfall of Antebellum plantation society.

  • Bill

    Typical GOP, the truth is what I say at any given time.

  • http://batman-news.com Racer

    Personhood will put us back in the dark ages with back alley abortions and etc. Don’t these ever think of all the things these bills could affect? They are taking a way the rights of the woman to control her body.

    • Kathi J

      Further back because even when abortion was illegal there were exceptions to the rule and many women got legal abortions pre-Roe plus abortions for health issues, to save her life, etc. And impacting birth control? Horrific.

    • http://socialsity.com/ LastGasp

      They are looking at the rights of the children. The mother needs to take responsibility for her born and unborn just as in every other society.

      • jmprint

        She is taking responsibility, if she chooses not to continue with the pregnancy she aborts, that’s taken care of responsibility. What rights of the children are you talking about?

  • Allan Richardson

    Women have DIED because of anti-abortion laws, the latest high profile example being in Ireland a few years ago. And no, that case had NOTHING to do with the right to “choose” an abortion. She was married and looking forward to having a healthy baby (not her first child), when a tragic miscarriage occurred. In a “non-right-to-life” jurisdiction, the dying fetus and the mother’s infected tissues could have been removed quickly, saving her life. But this was Catholic-ruled Ireland (where married couples had to use Saran Wrap to make their own condoms in the 1970s), and the law forced doctors to wait until the fetus COMPLETELY FINISHED dying on its own, at which point it was TOO LATE to save the mother’s life, leaving her husband widowed and her other children orphaned.

    As another common example, the standard, and ONLY feasible, treatment for ectopic pregnancy is to remove the doomed embryo along with the organ(s) in which it is lodged, usually the Fallopian tube and ovary on the affected side. But these false “personhood” laws would outlaw that treatment, ironically and tragically dooming BOTH the mother and the fetus. I would hope that the doctor would defy that law (requiring him, in essence, to kill a REAL person without providing any way to save the fetal “person” who WILL die anyway), but how many doctors are brave enough to risk prison to save a patient’s life?

    These hypocrites who fawn over the “personhood” of a fetus, or even an unimplanted zygote, care NOTHING about the sufferings of that same person after its birth. In fact, they have no problem with a police officer shooting him on the street sixteen years later.

    • http://socialsity.com/ LastGasp

      Children lived before abortion became legal.

      • jmprint

        Don’t be so naive, abortion became legal because of the way women were obtaining the abortions and dying.

      • stcroixcarp

        Children live after abortion became legal too. There seems to be no shortage of children.

  • annienoel

    seeing as how abortion has been a remedy for women as long as women have become pregnant….civilization has done quite well. This man is a boob.

  • Kathi J

    Pandering to the base prior to 2016, he has about zero chances of such a law ever passing Congress let alone being upheld by the Supreme Court, every attempt at a personhood amendment has failed including in very red, anti-abortion Mississippi. So much for being libertarian.

  • stcroixcarp

    Rand Paul would have more credibility if he included in his personhood bill that persons are only created by the union of a human egg and a human sperm. Not any of that paper stuff that creates “corporations are people my friend” . No more paid for free speech for corporations!

  • booker25

    Rand Paul and others like him need to stay out of my womb. This bill is so much garbage, we need this bill like I need a tooth ache, not.

  • eric_douchebag_cantor

    Big social government.

  • Dan Francis

    A fetus is not a person. A woman is a person, not your state breeding cow.

  • dpaano

    Rand Paul is a scary, scary man!!! He, like most men in the GOP, have NO idea what conception is, so they decide that this is when a real “person” is evolved (much like they did with corporations). If they had any knowledge of conception, giving birth, etc., they would shut their mouths! A man has NO business whatsoever in telling a woman what to do with their bodies or why! Until they walk in our shoes, they need to figure out their own problems…..like keeping their you-know-whats in their pants! If that happened, we’d ALL be better off! I think that they just want to bring more uninformed little GOP’s into this world to believe their lies and BS!

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