How did the McCain ever get re-elected? Does it exemplify the desparation of this nation?
He’s a war hero, so people are prone to vote for him.
A “hero” who crashed and burned a number of jet fighter planes and managed to dump a wife who became disfigured in a bad auto accident while he was a POW. He left her for the beer heiress shortly after he came back home. He is mean and nasty and a self-promoter. He was also at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy probably because he spent a lot of time cruising the streets and pubs of Annapolis in his convertible.
Very informative, I learned that I didn’t know about McCain. I didn’t ever think much of him.
Are you sure of your facts? How does one dump a wife while he was a prisoner of war?
true…he was still married when he was dating current wife…everyone in AZ knows this, well at least the smart ones…mccain is a fraud, never had a job, and plays on that pow stuff to get him by…was also KEATING 5 crook, who influenced pedaled and got off…shame, such a fraud he is…
Yes/ She didn’t tell him while he was a POW because she didn’t want him to worry. When he was released he saw what had happened to her and shortly thereafter, left her. For whatever reason though, she holds no ill will toward him and I believe she still resides in the Annapolis area. There may have been other issues, but it just struck me as odd when I read it, that he found another woman with money and he was know to be a womanizer when he was younger.
Read well CPA, the wife was disfigured when he was POW, then, can you read?, Then, thereafter, he dumped his wife and went after the beer heiress. Good combat!
I’ll read well if you’ll write well. You said that he dumped his disfigured wife while a POW, not afterward.
No, it represents the radical residents of AZ!
So the Republicans “spurned” Obama’s plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. Not much of a surprise there.
Since their cause has been seriously damaged by the re-election of Obama, I don’t see what their position can be. Digging in their heels and resisting any change will just get them allocated the blame for our falling off the fiscal cliff.
From what I’ve been hearing they want to force through Ryan’s bad budget. I;ve been sending emails to some of them, Boehnor mostly. I’m sure I’m making friends…NOT. lol!
The rich have tightened their already firm grip on policy since 1981, & will stop at nothing to keep control of the fisc…let’s push a consumption tax of 95% on all expenditures above $2 million per annum, incl. purchase-price of real estate [income taxes too easy to evade, too complex to administer].
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“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville
I don’t know who Alexis de Tocqueville is. And frankly with that kind of cynicism, I don’t want to know. The premise is stupid, that Americans are just now, “discovering,” they can vote themselves free stuff. Well, who told them? A corporate fat cat? Because, for the last 40 years, they have been the ones receiving the government’s goodies. As one in four corporations paid no taxes last year. Many made record profits. Like big oil, who continued to enjoy their 4 billion dollar gift they receive from the Federal Government each year. Maybe they were who this Tocqueville guy was talking about. As soon as the too big to fail bankers realized that they didn’t need to be responsible for their own greedy catastrophe. They could just use some of that largess they’d been accepting over the years, and buy politicians who have no trouble at all in putting the debt, and economic disorder they caused, directly on the backs of the Middle Class. While, of course, not touching a hair on the precious Plutocrat’s head. That was the issue of this last election. Fairness. The Republicans forgot to bring any.
de Tocqueville, French political thinker, 1805-1859. Not his quote. It is frequently, as here, misattributed to him. Over Matched Guy never does his homework. He just puts things down on the page because he thinks they mean something. He makes stuff up and hopes you won’t check it out. It is an almost accurate quote from a Mr. Elmer Peterson (even fewer people know him than de Tocqueville), an op-ed piece in the Daily Oklahoman, 1959 (He attributes it to someone else – who didn’t make it, so it is probably made up by Perterson). Does anyone really believe de Tocqueville used the phrase “fiscal policy” in the first half of the 19th Century? Over Matched Guy thinks it is apropos of something because he doesn’t understand the difference between a democracy and a democratic-republic. Neither does Mr. Peterson if his quote is supposed to apply to this nation. I guess the 200 year civilization statement is supposed to scare us given the age of our nation. That part of the quote is just thrown in there. Who knows where the hell that came from. Over Matched Guy thinks everyone is a child.
Hi comaboy! You are wrong again. Most of the quotes from AdT that I post are from ‘Democracy In America’, but a few others are not. The truth is that origin of that particular quote is not fully verifiable and therefore it may actually be a collection of ideas from several people on the same topic. Or it could just as easily be AdT. If anyone other than AdT could be attributed (he is in several places), it may be Alexander Tyler, though the quote is not found in any of his writings either. Elmer Peterson is likely to have taken it from one of those sources.
In the end, it doesn’t really matter who said what. What matters is the message of what is said. No need to obsess over trivial things.
“When the taste for physical gratifications among them has grown more rapidly than their education . . . the time will come when men are carried away and lose all self-restraint . . . . It is not necessary to do violence to such a people in order to strip them of the rights they enjoy; they themselves willingly loosen their hold. . . . they neglect their chief business which is to remain their own masters.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America Volume 2
So you admit it. It isn’t a quote from Mr. de Tocqueville. It isn’t a quote anyone can really attribute to anyone. It is made up by someone like you who wished to make a point, but didn’t have a real person with a real quote so he made one up and made up a source. The fact that others misattribute it doesn’t make your attribution accurate. A lie repeated a thousand times is still a lie. (Except, of course, on Fox News where it becomes the evening news.) If the message is what matters, then it is clearly twaddle and tripe on its face. Just because you believe it says something you thing is worth believing certainly doesn’t provide it any credibility. You guys are just astounding. “No need to quibble over trivial things like the truth and facts.” What a fundamentally accurate representation of your positions on the political, economic, and social issues we confront. “No need to obsess over trivial things like the truth and facts.”
Mr. de Tocqueville’s positions on American Democracy were as incomplete and inaccurate then as they are today. Stripping a few convenient quotes does not advance your position. It certainly hasn’t advanced your thinking. The message is horse manure Over Matched Guy.
comaboy…. not admitting anything. Reread and comprehend, dummy. The quote is absolutely attributed to AdT in more than one location. I simply stated that there may be some legitimate disagreement on that point. Then again who cares. The entire point of the quote is exactly correct. Democracies fail when a majority expects their benefits to be paid for by the minority. It’s game over. We are at that point right now. Obozo will push it over the edge.
And far be it for a mental midget like you to be saying that AdT is incomplete and inaccurate. According to you? HA!!!!! You’re sort of a moron, comaboy, with some clever zingers here and there, but nothing of substance. All criticism, no ideas. And for you to put AdT down is a joke, at best, and at worst an indication of the mindset of a narcissist with an overly inflated sense of intelligence and self-worth. Significantly overinflated. You must be a college professor or exist in the academic world. Such thinking is common in the academic bubble.
Have a nice day, comaboy!
“Society will develop a new kind of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate. It does not tyrannize but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville
Wrong! There is no legitimate disagreement. It is misattributed to him no matter how many people make the mistake of attributing it to him. You didn’t check. You have never read it in his work. It is not a de Tocqueville quote! He never wrote it and he never said it. There isn’t a tooth fairy or an Easter Bunny no matter how many parents tell their children there is one. Your scholarship sucks. Proof again that truth is an inconvenience for you and not a goal of yours. Your predictions of coming events are about as accurate as Dick Morris’ prediction. (Are the two of you still planning to attend Mitt’s swearing in ceremony in January?) I see I have you ranting again. If you would ever say anything passingly accurate I wouldn’t need to be so critical. So you have decided to take up the cudgels on behalf of Alexis de Tocqueville, a 19th Century author you have never read. Good on ya mate. Mr. de Tocqueville died in 1859. Though he may have something of merit to say about the possibility of the excesses of democracy in his time period, and he has an interesting view of democracy in our nation at the time, we had not had the Civil War and Reconstruction, we were not a continental nation, we were not a world power, we had not participated in two world wars, there were no unions nor corporations of the type we have today, there were no global economies, women could not vote, and a whole bunch of other things had not happened which have dramatically altered our nation from the one he wrote about. His views of the American experiment are time bound in much the same way yours are. It is clear you would feel much more comfortable in the 19th Century. His thinking on these matters is not timeless and his predictions were not unerringly accurate. He said lots of things would happen and they haven’t. As for your last quote your mind is neither original nor your character energetic. It is easy to tell when I have you pinned, you always resort to insults. ESAD Over Matched Guy.
charle… the fact that you don’t know who Alexis de Tocqueville is demonstrates why you are a leftist freak, and a dummy. And don’t believe what you hear from that loser inacomanaustin… he isn’t any smarter than you. You have no clue about American history or why America was even founded. Rather, you’re more likely one of those dreamy-eyed and stoned Occupy Wall Street bums who believes in the fairytale of socialism motivated by your feelings of envy and jealousy of what others “have”.
Certainly, you have no clue what you are talking about when you talk about $4B “gifts” to “big oil”. There is no such thing you idiot. They are accounting rules for depreciation and amortization of exploration costs. Every company has depreciation and amortization of investments and costs, and oil is no different. Besides, what the hell would you do without oil, you idiot. You wouldn’t have a computer to type on, dope! And I never see you leftist freaks or useful idiots whining about Obozo giving Petrobras $2B in taxpayer money to drill for oil offshore. What the hell is wrong with you morons on the left. If Bush did that, you’d all be justifiably freaking out. But when Obozo does it, what do we hear from you idiots on the left???? crickets…… crickets…… crickets….
You and I actually do agree on bailouts and welfare, though you don’t like corparate welfare and you think I do like it. I don’t. I do suspect you like personal welfare, though. After all, it’s the government handouts and freebies that attact the typical leftist. But still, not sure why the taxpayers (that is, those of us who pay taxes) have to take on the losses of the banks and auto companies when we see none of the profits. Your sense of something wrong is correct, though. What puzzles me is that you guys on the left seem to always whine about social and fiscal problems, most of which are created by big government, but then your prescription for resolution of those problems is more and more big government. Like I have said many times before, liberalism is the disease that presents itself as its own cure.
BTW…. What is “fairness”? I am interested to read your response.
“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.” – Alexis de Tocqueville
Idiot, dummy, dope, freak, and dreamy eyed, and stoned. You’re slipping. You left out, imbecile retard, moron, and Marxist, commie parasite. But I get the drift. But less go back to who is doing the real mooching, shall we? And who continues to pay the bills created by the policies of some of the most profitable, and powerful enterprises in the world. As to de Tocqueville’s statement, that democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. Because of the population’s ability to vote, coupled with their insatiable greed, will eventually result collapse due to, “loose fiscal policy, always followed by dictatorship. So, you don’t believe in democracy? Or, you only believe in democracy for those with money? Because, otherwise, we should just quit wasting time, trying to uphold The Constitution, a flawed document. And start a process by which the most powerful, or ruthless, or both, takes their legitimate place of leadership. And truth be told, that reality will not take all that very long, if we keep going in the direction we have been for the last 40 years. What the Frenchman should have said is Capitalism in it’s unbridled form, will cause economic collapse. As they discover they can control, and corrupt government to skew the system, so completely to their advantage, that a consumer economy, such as we have, will enter into an irreversible spiral. Where low wages cause weakened demand, which cause unemployment, which, of course, lowers demand. What we see today looks a lot more like that, than some giant Socialist takeover. Or, corporations’ taxes are too high to invest here. Ridiculous! As if the party of business has forgotten the prime element that is essential in every successful business endeavor. Large, or small, they all need customers, and customers need what? That’s right! Money. And the more of it that winds up in the hands of as many potential customers as possible, the better the economy. You do know there was a recent poll in just this question. And guess what, the majority agreed with the idiot. Well, so much for democracy.
charle… first off, we DON’T have a democracy. We have a representative republic. The founders knew that true democracies never work for long, and they all result in the tyranny of the majority over the minority. Think of it this way in the extreme example. If we had a true democracy and the majority voted for slavery of hispanics, then the hispanics would become slaves. In a representative republic, the minority is given powers to thwart the will of the majority to prevent tyranny. Do yo understand this point. I think you do.
Second, your fantasy economic scenario is exactly that, a fantasy. You’re a typical leftist freak that believes the lie that if we just give the “little people” money, that all of a sudden they are going to need things like food and water and shelter and indoor plumbing and transportation. Why that is so stupid is because people need those things regardless of whether or not they have someone else’s earnings redistributed to them. It’s basic human need that drives a person to engage in enterprise for their own self preservation. And when they are successful at doing a thing, they have surpluses which they may trade to others who have surpluses of supply of their specialty. This is where all economic activity begins. It does not begin with government handing out money like the banker in a Monopoly game. And the economic pie is NOT fixed where one person gets a bigger piece at the expense of someone else. I know this is what you leftists think. I’ve spoken to too many of you on here and elsewhere that have validated what I have said.
This fantasy about capitalism resulting in a downward spiral is breathtakingly ignorant. You must be very young because you have been absolutely robbed by an ecucational system that actually teaches that socialism is better than capitalism, despite a century of evidence to the contrary. This is why more than half the people under 30 years old actually believe that nonsense. Capitalism is an upward spiral for ALL people that has generated more advancement and prosperity for more human beings on planet earth than any other system every conceived by mankind. It’s mind boggling how you can sit at a computer talking with me over the internet as quickly and effectively as we do, and not recognize the astounding accomplishment right before your very eyes and hands.
By the way, low wages don’t cause weakened demand. Saying this implies that if all we did was to make a minimum wage of say $100 per hour, that the economy would soar. Nothing could be further from the truth. How much would a Big Mac cost if the people there were making $100 per hour? You see, low wages are a result of supply and demand among low skilled workers. The more business competition there is for labor, the higher the price of labor goes. It’s BOTH supply AND demand that determine the price of a thing.
You need to read a book by Thomas Sowell called “Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy, fourth edition (2011)” that will teach you the way the world works. I know it’s really hard for you leftist freaks to educate yourselves on with opposing viewpoints, but you should do it. It’s actually quite good for you. It’s why I mostly come to this site, and not others too often. I like to be challenged.
Have a nice day, Charle.
“You can only confiscate the wealth that exists at a given moment. You cannot confiscate future wealth — and that future wealth is less likely to be produced when people see that it is going to be confiscated.” – Thomas Sowell
I don’t believe with 386 filibusters in the Senate this year, the minority has no fear of tyranny. They do however fear the vote. And with good reason. Listen Bub. Just because somebody sold you a bill of goods. That’s on you. if you honestly believe lower wages, and lower taxes for the wealthy, is the ticket to economic success, they’ll love you at the Country Club. Where you aren’t a member. If it’s a republic, democracy, tyranny of the minority or whatever you worry about in La La Land. The real world, where Americans work, and live, pay their bills, and look for a better life for the kids they are raising, it’s just stupid right wing crap some old people believe, in Georgia, or Mississippi, or rural Alabama, because they’re old, and don’t know any better.
charle… I told you to read a book to educate yourself. The book I recommended by Thomas Sowell is an excellent read for anyone with a cluttered mind and a Marxist view of the world. Your fantasy about rich vs. poor, proletariat vs. bourgeois, government control being better for a free economy does not make it real. You obviously have never worked in the private sector, or if you did, you are/were a bum, because you have absolutely no understanding of how investment capital works for business creation. None. Nada. Zilch. Otherwise, you would not think the way you do.
I’m willing to bet that you’re one of those idiots that believes wealth comes from government, and that economics is a zero sum game. You know, that the economic pie is fixed and that for one guy to have a bigger piece of the pie, he must have taken it from someone else. This is how you think, isn’t it?
Awaiting your response I remain…..
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..” — Winston Churchill
You’re an ideologue. But try this one out. Money is like fertilizer. Spread it around, and things grow. Let it pile up in one place, and it just stinks. 400 of the richest Americans control more wealth than the bottom 50% combined. Now, see if you find a good place to invest, with a population of impoverished people.
Charle… of course I’m an idealogue. Duhh!!! It’s called having principles. Knowing truth. Knowing the difference between good and evil. Understanding the nature of man and how he works for his own selft interest. Understanding the power of incentive in pursuit of self interest. This is why it is easy to see how your mind is so cluttered and wrapped up around cliche’s and phony facts. For example, I know the stat you are trying to cite about the Forbes 400, but it’s not what you think it is. I’ll try to find the actual stat and get back to you on it.
But, back to the point at hand, it doesnt matter “who controls the wealth” at a given point in time. I can assure you that if you look at that list of 400 people, the majority of them are entreprenuers that started companies from nothing and built businesses that employ 10’s of thousands or more employees. Very few of the names that are on that list today are the same names that were on that list 20 or 30 years ago. Many of those names on that list were people born into middle class or blue collar class families. The point Charle is that in a free society like America, anyone can make themsleves into whatever they want. Rich, powerful, business owner, or anything else. There is nothing stopping anyone from this other than their own limitations. There is fluid movement amongst the economic classes in a free society. Not everyone is equal. Not everyone will be as successful as others. It’s not going to happen no matter how much government we have. Don’t you get it? The more government we have, the less and less opportunity each of us has to move throughout what you lefists like to call the “classes”. More government only cements the currently wealthy people into their positions and makes it much more difficult for new people to move into the ranks of the wealthy.
Think about the contrast of countries. In the extreme, you have communist dictatorships like North Korea or Cuba to name just 2. What is the “wealth gap” in North Korea? All of the wealth in that country belongs to one family, the Jungs. The military guys around them are taken care of. All of the rest of the country is in abject poverty. But hey, you should like that. They are all equal. And eating rats and cats and dogs if they can catch them. They are starving to death. They have roads and bridges and schools in North Korea. Why don’t those roads and bridges result in a thriving economy like Obozo says they should? Do you think that the average North Korean citizen has any shot at improving their lot in life or becoming a wealthy business man or political leader? Ever? Of course not. The only guarantee they have is that they will have free housing, free healthcare, free retirment, etc. Sound familiar? It should.
Don’t you get it, Charle? The greatest wealth concentrations that exist are in countries with bigger and bigger government. This is not “ideologue” stuff. This is reality, dude. This is the lesson of human experience. You should learn it. You should also take my advice and read Thomas Sowells “Basic Economics” the 2011 edition. You really will learn some things.
Charle, all kidding and insults aside, this has been a good discussion and I appreciate our back and forthe. I really do. Thank you.
Very funny you prick !
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