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Monday, September 26, 2016

 

The Big Lie: Romney and Ryan’s plan to repeal Obamacare means there will be no benefit cuts to anyone 55 or over.

The Truth: Romney and Ryan’s Medicare plan cuts benefits to current seniors and promises massive benefit cuts to follow.

The only honesty you can expect from the Romney campaign between now and November 6 is when they tell reporters that giving any more details on their Medicare plan would be “suicidal.” The lesson Mitt believes he learned when he lost to Ted Kennedy in 1994 is that details don’t help. They cost you votes and they cost you elections. And in this case Mitt Romney could not be more correct.

By choosing Paul Ryan, he made Medicare the central issue in the campaign. Since then they have both blasted the president for more than $700 millions in savings to Medicare that were passed in the Affordable Care Act and affirmed later in Paul Ryan’s own House Republican budget. Meanwhile, Romney has promised seniors that his plan includes “no adjustments, no changes, no savings.” If that’s true, Mitt is also promising to bankrupt Medicare by the end of his first term, which is what the Medicare Trustees say would happen if Obamacare is repealed.

This is one just one of many details of the Romney Medicare plan that he’ll never mention.

Killing ObamaCare will also eliminate two specific benefits to seniors: a $250 rebate on prescription drugs that helps millions and free preventive care for all.

That is a benefit cut.

Then with Medicare set to go bankrupt Mitt will have to make cuts to current Medicare beneficiaries or let the program go bankrupt. What will Mitt do? His advisors have floated upping the retirement age or making Medicare, which is already means tested, even more means tested.

That is a benefit cut. 

Both Romney and Ryan promise huge cuts for Medicaid, which help the most vulnerable seniors unable to afford Medicare copays and nursing homes.

That is another HUGE benefit cut.

  • The irony is that the proposed MEDICARE reductions in projected spending over the next ten years only affect service providers and insurance companies. Senior benefits are actually going to be expanded in the form of lower RX copays and the elimination of the doughnut hole. Romney is well aware of this, but he also knows that the best way to get the senior vote is to scare us, and he does it in a way that would make Himmler blush with envy.

  • old_blu

    I think this story is right, if they are honest, it would be suicidal, for them.

    Romney/Ryan, and honest. =(oxy-moron)

  • Dont listen to anything a republican politician tells you. If you do your are cutting your own throat if you are middle class or poor.

  • We know what RR is planning to do to all of us. What we need to do is keep educating others to their horrible plans so they really think before they vote. RR also plans to take away the mortgage interest deduction we use on our income tax returns. They also plan to lower their rich friends coporate tax to 25 from 35% and single people (including seniors) to 25% income tax.
    Think before you vote.

    Reproductive rights will be taken away under RR. Women stand up for all women and vote to protect our rights. RR wants to destroy all our rights, take away equal pay, and not support protecting the Violence against women act.

    • Honey Bucket your are Right not only Romney & Ryan Plan will take deduction of mortgage interest. Earned Income credit per child will change from 1700 to 250 per child. Get rid of minimum wage, cut teacher police and fireman.

      Any why would I vote for a Party Who Purposely kept Our Country from improving, because They Hate the President.. GOP & Tea Party Congress Intentionally for all most 4 year cause this struggling in Our Country today..

      And they didn’t care Who they hurt because of Hate, Who Need people like this running Our Country..

  • axxan3

    Is Romney going to get rid of Romneycare?

  • clarenceswinney

    Washington, DC – Campaign for America’s Future urges Senators to support tax cuts for 98 percent of Americans and to take steps to restore fairness in the tax system. Today the Senate is scheduled to vote on the Middle Class Tax Cut Act (S. 3412). The bill would extend the Bush-era tax cuts for 98 percent of state residents who make less than $250,000 in household income, but would allow the Bush tax cuts on income above that level, which benefit the richest 2 percent, to expire.
    “It’s time we stop giving large tax cuts to those who need them the least at the expense of the middle- and lower-income Americans who are struggling to get by,” said Robert Borosage, co-director of the Campaign for America’s Future. “The Senators who vote for the bill today want to ensure that every American pays their fair share.”
    Ending the Bush tax cuts on household income above $250,000 would save the government nearly $1 trillion in the next decade, according to Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation, compared to extending all of the cuts. Wealthy people earning more than $1 million a year get an average tax break of $143,000 from the Bush tax cuts, but middle-class people making about $50,000 a year get an average tax break of only $1,000, according to the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center.
    “Opponents of this Bill essentially argue that the rich have too little money and the poor have too much,” said Robert Borosage, “When the rich get tax breaks they don’t need and the country can’t afford, the middle class has to make up the difference – that’s not right. ”

    • Clarenceswinney I just don’t understand why American can’t see this years ago.
      Bush tax cut for the Rich is the number 1 reason the Country is struggling.
      It’s sample Math our Tax run the Country and when the Rich pay less Tax then middle and lower income it’s crazy… And with a made up War that the middle class and lower income had to pay for with there tax and life.

      If Some American is that Blind with Hate, that they will vote for Romney with the same plan. This Man want even put his money in American Bank..

      • clarenceswinney

        Over ten years we borrowed 2000 billion(Bush Tax Cut) that should have gone against debt Top 1% got 37.6% or 715 Billion
        Top 5% got 50% almost 900 Billion

        Now you know why we have so many Billionaires

        —– Original Message —–
        From: Disqus
        To: [email protected]
        Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:21 PM
        Subject: [thenationalmemo] Re: The Big Lie Of The Day: Stealing From Seniors

        lkbold1 wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

        Clarenceswinney I just don’t understand why American can’t see this years ago. Bush tax cut for the Rich is the number 1 reason the Country is struggling. It’s sample Math our Tax run the Country and when the Rich pay less Tax then middle and lower income it’s crazy… And with a made up War that the middle class and lower income had to pay for with there tax and life.
        If Some American is that Blind with Hate, that they will vote for Romney with the same plan. This Man want even put his money in American Bank..
        User’s website

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      • clarenceswinney

        PRESIDENT ALBERT GORE, JR

        AL GORE WON AND WAS ELECTED( NOT SELECTED)
        A LOOK AT A DIFFERENT 2010
        He would have continued Clinton/Newt Fiscal Policies of Pay Your Way We would continue to have Surpluses not Debt as far as the eye can see Debt today would be 6000B not 15000B
        2010 Budget would be 3000B not 3800
        Unemployment would be 5% not the real 17%.
        Food Stamp Roll would be 10% not 46%
        Unemployment Insurance Roll would be low
        Redistribution of Wealth back to Middle Class would have continued
        The top 1% would own 20% not 43% of Total Financial Wealth
        He would have continued Taxing the top 1%
        Wall Street Regulators would be under experts not Partners In Crime
        We would have 400 military bases not 800 worldwide
        We would not have two wars
        We would not have lost thousands of lives of young youths
        Hundreds of thousands of Muslims would still be alive
        Thousands of young Muslims would still have legs feet and minds America would still be the most admired nation on Earth not the most despised We would go back to behaving as a Christ-Like nation via our national policies Millions would own homes not foreclosure notices
        States would not be laying off hundreds of thousands in such important jobs as Teaching and Policing California would have a balanced budget
        John Kerry would be President.
        Sound common sense policies would continue.

        —– Original Message —–
        From: Disqus
        To: [email protected]
        Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:21 PM
        Subject: [thenationalmemo] Re: The Big Lie Of The Day: Stealing From Seniors

        lkbold1 wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

        Clarenceswinney I just don’t understand why American can’t see this years ago. Bush tax cut for the Rich is the number 1 reason the Country is struggling. It’s sample Math our Tax run the Country and when the Rich pay less Tax then middle and lower income it’s crazy… And with a made up War that the middle class and lower income had to pay for with there tax and life.
        If Some American is that Blind with Hate, that they will vote for Romney with the same plan. This Man want even put his money in American Bank..
        User’s website

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      • clarenceswinney

        CLINTON PRAISE-WITH PLEASURE

        GDP–rose from 6300 to 11,600

        NATIONAL INCOME-5,000 to 8,000 Billion–took 20 years to grow 2500B before Clinton
        JOBS CREATED–over 22 million–record by far

        AVERAGE WEEKLY EARNINGS–$360 to $478

        AVERAGE WEEKLY HOURS WORKED–never hit 35.0–hit that mark 4 times in 80’s
        UNEMPLOYMENT–from 7.2% down down down to 3.9%

        WELFARE TO WORK—11,533,710 on federal roll in 1996 and 3,880,321 in 2007.
        MINIMUM WAGE–$4.25 to $5.15

        MINORITIES–did exceedingly well

        HOME OWNERSHIP–hit all time high

        DEFICIT–290 Billion to whoopee a SURPLUS

        DEBT—-+28%—300% increase over prior12 years

        FEDERAL SPENDING–+28%—80% under Reagan- who da true conservative?

        DOW JONES AVERAGE–3,500 to 11,800 all it’s history to get to 3500 and Clinton zooms it
        NASDAQ–700 to 5,000—all of it’s history to get to 700 and Clinton zooms it
        VALUES INDEXES– almost all bad went down–good went up in zoom zoom zoom
        FOREIGN AFFAIRS–Peace on Earth good will toward each other—Mark of a true Christian–what has Bush done to Peace on Earth?
        POPULARITY—highest poll ratings in history during peacetime in AFRICA, ASIA AND EUROPE even 98.5% in Moscow–left office with highest gallup rating since it was started in 1920’s.
        STAND UP FOR JUSTICE–evil conservatives spent $110,000,000 on hearings and investigations and caught— ONE— very evil man who took a few plane rides to events.
        BOW YOUR HEADS–Thank you God for sending us a man of Bill Clinton’s character, intelligence, knowledge of governance, ability to face up to crises without whimpering and a great leader of the world.
        THANK YOU GOD FOR THE GOOD TIMES THE CLINTON YEARS.

        —– Original Message —–
        From: Disqus
        To: [email protected]
        Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:21 PM
        Subject: [thenationalmemo] Re: The Big Lie Of The Day: Stealing From Seniors

        lkbold1 wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

        Clarenceswinney I just don’t understand why American can’t see this years ago. Bush tax cut for the Rich is the number 1 reason the Country is struggling. It’s sample Math our Tax run the Country and when the Rich pay less Tax then middle and lower income it’s crazy… And with a made up War that the middle class and lower income had to pay for with there tax and life.
        If Some American is that Blind with Hate, that they will vote for Romney with the same plan. This Man want even put his money in American Bank..
        User’s website

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      • clarenceswinney

        CLINTON TO BUSH TO OBAMA

        Who Dug the Deep Hole? Who Fumbled the ball?

        Numbers rounded

        Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget

        Bush Left Obama a 3500 Budget

        Clinton left Bush a 240B Surplus as far as the eye can see

        Bush left Obama a 1400B Deficit as far as the eye can see

        Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt

        Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt

        Clinton left Bush a 237,000 net new jobs created per month

        Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest number since Hoover.

        Clinton left Bush 17 Million Manufacturing Jobs

        Bush left Obama 11 Million Manufacturing Jobs

        Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow

        Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow

        Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men

        Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars. Enmity of 1500 Million Muslims

        Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
        Bush left Obama the most hated President in history

        Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano

        Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment Yes! 8500 not just 700
        Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
        Bush increased maximum loan by Fannie/Freddie from $153,000 in 2000 to $300,000 then to $729,000
        That is how F&F got stuck with so many toxic mortgages. Bush gift to Big Bank pals.
        Bush increased FDIC maximum deposit coverage from $100,000 to $250,000. Help the rich.
        clarence swinney–political historian–lifeaholics of america burlington nc
        author-Lifeaholic–Life story of Workaholic failure to Lifeaholic success
        Best seller list in haw river nc population 200 and growing

        comments welcom facts -numbers not opinion

        —– Original Message —–
        From: Disqus
        To: [email protected]
        Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:21 PM
        Subject: [thenationalmemo] Re: The Big Lie Of The Day: Stealing From Seniors

        lkbold1 wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

        Clarenceswinney I just don’t understand why American can’t see this years ago. Bush tax cut for the Rich is the number 1 reason the Country is struggling. It’s sample Math our Tax run the Country and when the Rich pay less Tax then middle and lower income it’s crazy… And with a made up War that the middle class and lower income had to pay for with there tax and life.
        If Some American is that Blind with Hate, that they will vote for Romney with the same plan. This Man want even put his money in American Bank..
        User’s website

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      • clarenceswinney

        SHOCK AND AWE

        ———-DEMOCRATS CREATE WEALTH AND JOBS——–

        1.From Harding In 1921 to Bush in 2003

        2.Democrats held White House for 40 years and Republicans for 42.5 years.
        3.Democrats created 75,820,000 net new jobs — Republicans 36,440,000.
        4.Per Year Average—Democrats 1,825,000–Republicans 856,000. WOW

        5.Republicans had 9 presidents during the period and 6 had depression or recession.
        6.Republicans had a recession/depression in 177 months and Democrats in 32 months. WOW.
        ——————Each “significant” one was under a R president————————-
        7.DOW—1928 to 2003—Stock market gained 11% average per year under D presidents versus 2% under R presidents. Small Cap stocks gained 18% as yearly average under D and minus 3% under R
        WOW.

        8.GDP—grew by 43% more under Democrats. WOW

        9.Income Growth—1948-2005–each increased (percentage wise)under D presidents over R presidents by these numbers– Quintiles–(Top-10%)–(2nd-71%)-(third-127%)-(fourth-212%)-(fifth-550%) WOW

        source–TimothyNoah– Nov. 2010 in Slate magazine

        Question—Why would a working person vote for a Republican for President?
        Shhh do not awaken democratic leadership!

        —– Original Message —–
        From: Disqus
        To: [email protected]
        Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:21 PM
        Subject: [thenationalmemo] Re: The Big Lie Of The Day: Stealing From Seniors

        lkbold1 wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

        Clarenceswinney I just don’t understand why American can’t see this years ago. Bush tax cut for the Rich is the number 1 reason the Country is struggling. It’s sample Math our Tax run the Country and when the Rich pay less Tax then middle and lower income it’s crazy… And with a made up War that the middle class and lower income had to pay for with there tax and life.
        If Some American is that Blind with Hate, that they will vote for Romney with the same plan. This Man want even put his money in American Bank..
        User’s website

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      • clarenceswinney

        CONGRESS AND WHITE HOUSE ARE OWNED BY $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

        GET $$$$$ OUR OF OUR GOVERNMENT

        IT IS A SHAME THAT OUR SENATOR WAS A FRESHMAN AND HAD 1.3M IN HIS CAMPAIGN PIGGY BANK ONLY A FEW MONTHS AFTER BEING ELECTED

        Max Baucus—Chair Senate Finance Comm—70% poll for Public option–

        Bill hit his comm— first act—removed public option for debate

        shocked me—I trusted him. Zap. Report=he had $1,900,00 in his campaign kitty from health care industry..

        The millions spent by thousands of Lobbyists expect favors. Buy them.

        We need a Washington revolution and kick all out

        Obama lost me with Gay Marriage. Totally disgusted. I am in a position I trust no one in Washington. I know few are very good but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BUYS ANYONE

        $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ OUT OF GOVERNMENT—— QUICK

        NYT had superb article on Wall Street employees going into many many many government jobs in Congress and White House

        They left for a much lower paying job.

        Conclusion—Wall Street biggies are placing them in positions to make decisions for Wall Street.
        Pay under table or? Many have done this. Worked in Wash for few years then back to Wall street into a higher paying job

        This is sad sad. RULES MUST CHANGE

        NO $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ IN WASHINGTON

        NYT had article on Interconnectivity between Board Of Directors in WSA firms
        You vote for my pay+pension I vote for yours

        sickening

        5 big banks own 50% of deposits in 7000 banks and 10 own 80%

        Restate Glass Steagall—separate Casinos from local banks

        County Banking Systems—local wealth kept local to create more local wealth and jobs
        WASHINGTON SOLUTIONS (Congress + White House)

        Requires overturning Corp is a person

        1.. fed fund election—6 mos-3 primary 3 general—free equal tv time—debate a week=12=adequate to evaluate candidates NO $$ =O
        2.. Since they will not need campaign funds Ban them from receiving anything of a financial value this closes K St.
        3.. Progressive Flat Tax by group—We have the income to pay our way-do it
        We rank #2 as lowest taxed in OECD nations. We have an income of $14,00 billion yet tax 2400 and borrow 1300. Dumb?
        clarence swinney Lifeaholics of America Political Historian for 21 years

        —– Original Message —–
        From: Disqus
        To: [email protected]
        Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:21 PM
        Subject: [thenationalmemo] Re: The Big Lie Of The Day: Stealing From Seniors

        lkbold1 wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

        Clarenceswinney I just don’t understand why American can’t see this years ago. Bush tax cut for the Rich is the number 1 reason the Country is struggling. It’s sample Math our Tax run the Country and when the Rich pay less Tax then middle and lower income it’s crazy… And with a made up War that the middle class and lower income had to pay for with there tax and life.
        If Some American is that Blind with Hate, that they will vote for Romney with the same plan. This Man want even put his money in American Bank..
        User’s website

        Link to comment

      • clarenceswinney

        HOW CONSERVATIVES RUINED A GREAT DEMOCRACY
        A NEW CORPOCRACYRuined our great Savings and Loan Institution
        Closed Fairness Doctrine that has Limbaugh types on our public airwaves Closed Revenue Sharing
        Since 1980, initiated our involvement in 10 foreign conflicts
        Repealed Glass Steagall—took deposits in over 7000 banks and put 50% in 5 (Too Big To Fail) and 80% in 10 (Too Big To Fail) Banks.
        Modernization of Commodity Markets—from investment to Casino Derivative Of America 2 very dumb invasions of two of most unarmed and destitute nations. Ruined our International reputation as a Do Good Christian nation to Big Bully Devil Stood by as freak marketeers ruined our housing industry
        Stood by as Casino Derivative Of America ruined the world financial industry Impeached a great president for petty political gains that created a long term animosity between the parties Attempted to destroy the safety nets that make a great middle class Implemented Tax Codes that permitted a redistribution of Wealth to top (10%) who now own (73% )of Net Wealth and (83%) of Financial Wealth and take (50%)of all individual income They have taken America to a rank of (#2) as Least Taxed in OECD nations; (#2) as least taxed corporations; and sadly to (# 4) on Inequality. Since 1980, their Spend & Borrow policies, mainly, were responsible for adding 14,000 billion to our 1000B Debt when they started in 1981. Fought the Great GI Bill.
        Fought the WWII Draft
        Installed strict laws which have loaded our prisons with non-violent offenders which make us world leader in prison populationCONCLUSION-WANT TO VIEW END OF AN EMPIRE THEN YIELED TOTAL CONTROLOF GOVERNMENT TO REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES AS WAS DONE IN 2001-2002-2003-2004=2005-2006- WHICH WILL BE JUDGED AS, OUTSIDE OF THEIR GREAT DEPRESSION, THE SIX WORST YEARS IN OUR HISTORYIMAGINE THEM IN CONTROL FOR 12 YEARS????

        —– Original Message —–
        From: Disqus
        To: [email protected]
        Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:21 PM
        Subject: [thenationalmemo] Re: The Big Lie Of The Day: Stealing From Seniors

        lkbold1 wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

        Clarenceswinney I just don’t understand why American can’t see this years ago. Bush tax cut for the Rich is the number 1 reason the Country is struggling. It’s sample Math our Tax run the Country and when the Rich pay less Tax then middle and lower income it’s crazy… And with a made up War that the middle class and lower income had to pay for with there tax and life.
        If Some American is that Blind with Hate, that they will vote for Romney with the same plan. This Man want even put his money in American Bank..
        User’s website

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  • For some reason people don’t seem to be critical thinkers anymore. They have been duped for so long they are dupid. think about paying to advertise for someone, i.e. T-shirts with logos on them. When television came out, it was free and paid for by advertisements. Now, you pay a hefty monthly fee to be advertised to and you like it. So, you are being told Medicare needs to be changed so you can keep it. Hmmm, voucher program. what happens when that voucher caps out? And, if we allow Medicare and Social Security to be tampered with, that else is going to happen to it? One stay in the hospital cost one person, I knew, 800,000 dollars. Older people have more health problems. When my husband went in the donut hole (as they call it) he had to pay $1400/mo for medications. One medication, he was on was lovanox – check it out. Under the health care bill, donut hole drugs were cut in half this year and by 2014, it will be completely eliminated. The Ryan plan gives more tax breaks to the so-called job creators, eliminates Medicare as we know it, and will privatize Social Security. Where are the 3 1/2 trillion dollar tax cuts going to come from? It is too bad Dr. Kevorkian died, he could have sit in on the geriatrics meetings.

    • You are Right Maggie Croft If Romney and Ryan get in office your medication will go back to what it was before Obama New Health Care Law. I retired from GM in 2005 my Health Care Insurance coverage & medication went up every year.
      I ran out of medication with in 30 days, had to pay $10.00 for one pill. Now with ObamaCare yes I call it that because He do care, it a big saving.
      After the Supreme Court ruling I received a refund and a low coverage amount due.

  • I find it extremely ironic that this candidate for the US Presidency has “Believe in America” plastered on the sides of his campaign buses, yet keeps most of his money (if not all) in banks all over the globe EXCEPT America.

  • BananaCharger

    Yeah Romney is such a liar, unlike Oblame-o who always tells the truth and is all goodness and light. What about screwing over the taxpayers, in favor of his bundler when he re-wrote the Solyndra loans? What about cutting $700 billion dollars out of Medicaid, then not only denying it, but counting it twice? Shovel-ready jobs? Leaking defense secrets to make himself look good? Fast and Furious coverup? The list goes on and on, but we have to see every Romney tax return back to his paper route? What a crock.

    • DurdyDawg

      Yo’ nanner head.. Why don’t you spew you’re propaganda in a neocon forum.. They’ll applaud you’re drivel .. Solyandra was a china screw-up and we have all read about the 700m that you’re heroes claim was stolen from medicare and you’re full of it if you think we’re gonna fall for you’re crap.. If you truly believe the slop you’re tossing then I suggest you get your eyes off the faux news network and grow some individual brain cells. What a nimnod.. Robme’s old man presented twelve (count ’em) 12 years of tax returns and his son. 1/2 a year so far.. Don’t be a troll.. Now:

      • BananaCharger

        Solyndra was a China screw-up? Why did the White House re-write the loans a few months before they went bankrupt? Not only did they re-write them, they moved the taxpayers to the bottom of the list for re-payment behind the lib bundler that was on the hook. Not only is it crooked, it’s illegal.

        • DurdyDawg

          And you know these particulars, how? By what you’re leaders say? But what you’ve heard in the media and pub forums like this? Well so have I and the conclusion is neither you nor I know what’s really going on in politics, only what we’ve been told.. Only what we’ve read or that someone else has told us.. All to get us separated, keep us angry at each other.. Retain the hate. I’m going to confess and say I don’t know why solyandra happened.. It’s way beyond my pay grade as is most other political workings.. The only info any of us receive comes from the same entity that we’re conflicted in then when someone actually reveals the truth (like wikileaks) we deem them traitors and hunt them down like rabid dogs in hopes they won’t spread this disease called ‘truth’. I’m tired of telling you my spin on these spin doctors and frankly, I’m tired of reading and listening to others who compile evidence from these (or other) spin doctors.. All I want is trustworthiness and honesty in politics irregardless of the ‘R’, ‘D’, or even ‘I’.. nothing more.. We do not have this, we haven’t had it for the last eleven years and as it’s going, we will not have it in our short or long range future. I’m sorry, but for me the road ends here. Thanks for the input.

    • Banana Charger, get your facts straight. The money that was taken from Medicaid and Medicare was a reduction in over charging by the medical profession. It has not hurt the current recipients at all. Your views are filtered down through your biases, as many people’s are. I don’t think Obama personally leaked any defense secrets. However, a former vice president leaked the identity of an undercover secret FBI agent to get even with her for not backing up his WMD claims. You talk about lying, that is the grandfather of all lies. It has cost lives and it costs money. Wars are not cheap nor free.

      • BananaCharger

        The $700m was not from”Over-charging” it eliminated Medicare advantage, they did count it twice, and Plame, wasn’t a secret anything, she was an analyst for the CIA, if you want to talk about getting facts straight.

    • Learn these mistatements of fact on FOX? How dumb do you have to be to believe this crap.

      • BananaCharger

        At least as dumb as you are to believe your crap, let’s just agree to disagree, without name calling if that’s possible.

  • CAThinker

    Isn’t anyone else getting tired of all the lies? Every time Ryan or Romney moves their lips, they lie… That b*llsh*t with the whiteboard that Mittens used to try to emphasize his point was just plain silly – seeing it written doesn’t make it any more true… Plus Mittens doesn’t have the strength of character or air of authority to pull something like that off. GAWD these f*ck*ng liars piss me off every time I see them… Then I come here and the right-wing fascist imbeciles have the audacity to believe that if we hear it here from them, then it has to be true – I’m with the other poster that told those morons to go find their own forum. I welcome thoughtful and considerate opposing views, but these idiots couldn’t put one together to save their mother’s lives… Go away!