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Friday, October 21, 2016

Political parties rarely vanish altogether, and hardly ever over a single election cycle. So the demise of the Republicans as a national organization is probably exaggerated. At minimum, its strength across the old Confederacy and what Mencken called the “Cow States” should enable the GOP to keep Congress semi-paralyzed and the shrinking Fox News audience in a state of incipient hysteria even as it fights internal battles of surpassing nastiness.

In that sense, the fight over Sen. Chuck Hagel’s nomination as Secretary of Defense and Sen. John McCain’s erratic quest to turn the Benghazi tragedy into a huge scandal are symptomatic: all word-games, question-begging and make-believe indignation aimed not at governance, but TV appearances.

For all the theatrics, Republican senators apparently won’t filibuster their former colleague’s nomination indefinitely. I expect most are privately appalled at seeing Ted Cruz, the freshman senator from Texas, question Hagel’s loyalty—something I doubt he’d have the temerity to say anywhere except in front of a TV camera.

On Meet the Press, David Gregory asked McCain to stipulate what he thinks the Obama administration’s hiding about the Benghazi incident.

“A cover-up of what?”

“Of the information concerning the deaths of four brave Americans,” McCain sputtered.

What else could he say? The idea that the White House refused to call the assault on the U.S. Consulate a terror attack has been a media put-up job driven by the dark arts of selective quotation and malicious paraphrase. People who really care have long since figured that out; those who haven’t probably can’t.

Beyond mischief-making, however, there are signs that conservative thinkers are beginning to challenge moribund Republican orthodoxy. The water is moving under the ice. Heterodox opinions once limited to former GOP operatives like David Frum and Bruce Bartlett have started appearing all over.

Consider this shocking passage about tax rates by National Review editor Ramesh Ponnuru in the New York Times:

When Reagan cut rates for everyone, the top tax rate was 70 percent and the income tax was the biggest tax most people paid. Now neither of those things is true: For most of the last decade the top rate has been 35 percent, and the payroll tax is larger than the income tax for most people. Yet Republicans have treated the income tax as the same impediment to economic growth and middle-class millstone that it was in Reagan’s day.

Ponnuru adds that GOP “tight-money” fundamentalism and scare talk about runaway inflation make absolutely no sense after five years of near-non-existent inflation. When it comes to fiscal matters, in short, Republicans are confronting today’s problems with yesterday’s solutions, substituting dogma for problem solving, and excommunicating heretics instead of encouraging independent thought. If Ponnuru can’t quite bring himself to agree with President Obama about the need for economic stimulus, at least he doesn’t sound like a parrot.

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  • They make up a backstory for America then give fanciful ideas meant to “take us back” to these Never-never-lands?

    Newspeech, Newthink!
    Unbelievable, that almost 30 years after it should have lost relevance, people are still trying to pull an *1984* on us!

  • nobsartist

    mccain doesnt give a shit about the hundreds of thousands killed from 2 wars that we were lied into.

    mccain doesnt give a shit about the scandals on wall street because he evaded prison himself with the silverado bank scandal that sent a member of the bush crime family to prison (or on vacation) – for that alone, mccain is not fit to hold public office.

    mccain doesnt give a shit about the rights of Americans that he sold out by sponsoring wiretapping and supporting the so-called “patriot act”.

    Then again, there are a number of dems that are in the same boat.

    And it is sinking.

    • jarheadgene

      nobsartist some of the things you write really makes sense, and yet other things go off the deep end….I guess the same could be said of all of us. I agree both parties have their share of stupidity and corruption (thank you lobbyist scum); however, the lesser of the two evils is by far the Democratic Party.

      • nobsartist

        I am just trying to point out facts in order to properly evaluate the current situation. I have spent time with 2 year olds before and the type of action going on is indicative of a 2 year olds mentality.

        Everyone wants to blame everyone else, no one wants to accept blame and no one wants to fix anything. Thats how I see it.

        I am not cutting anyone any slack.

        Obama better figure out how to start getting things done soon or he himself will prove that he is also part of the problem, not part of the solution.

        I have seen incompetence, deafness, blindness and stupidity from Washington, NO progress.

        Frankly, I dont give a shit about abortion, gun laws or the deficit.

        What I am concerned about is the lack of jobs and the lack of laws governing politicians, corporations, banks and the wealthy.

        Plus our judicial system is nothing more than a bought and paid for kangaroo court system.

        Time to flush the toilet.

        • And don’t you think that virtually all of us here are concerned about getting the things corrected that you included under: What I am concerned about is:???? But you’re being totally unrealistic; and you’re assuming that Obama, or any president or individual has the power and authority to correct these things by him or herself. We live in a democracy, and it, like virtually every other form of government, has it’s problems; and the problem with a democracy is no one can get things accomplished by him or herself – it takes getting enough concensus to get things done. Unfortunately, when our country is faced with a party that is hellbent on getting their own way at the expense of the country, the planet and all other people, you have to take victories as you can get them. And despite what YOU THINK, Obama has accomplished more victories over the past 4 years than any president since FDR; and all that Despite the total opposition of the GOP. And also, despite your notions, he’s made hundreds of changes to the way things work in our government; changes that he’s had the power to do virtually on his own – and quite often suffered the critizism of the GOP for a lot of it. So where I sit, it does absolutely NO GOOD to rant about changing thins that all of us know full well aren’t going to get changed until the American people WAKE UP and realize the disaster the GOP is creating for this country, and vote enough of them out of office so there are enough in office with COMMON SENSE to make the changes that you pointed out and THAT ALL OF US WOULD LIKE TO SEE!!!

          • nobsartist

            the republiCONs seem to be able to get things done. why cant the dems?

            I thought it was unrealistic that a president could lie us into 2 wars and bankrupt the country but it happened.

            and it couldnt have happened without the help of clinton, biden and shumer.

            so if you think “its unrealistic” perhaps you should consider why it is so instead of whining that things are “unrealistic”.

          • I’m not whining about what you were saying being unrealistic, I was simply stating a fact. Which you seem to conveniently ignore. You know full well why Bush and the GOP congress were able to start to wars and pass two unwarranted tax cuts and much much more; it was because the American electorate was dumb enough to keep a GOP president in office for 6 years with a GOP congress that had enough majority in both houses to ram through every piece of legislation that Bush came up with.

            During the first six years of Bush’s time in office, Congress acted as if he was a dictator. Virtually every budget and piece of legislation the White House passed to Congress, the Republicans just said “Yes Master, anything you want, just tell us how high you want us to jump!” And so for at least 6 years, Bush ran rampant over the country creating one piece of disaster after another. And you have to remember, Dems are different than the Repubs, I doubt seriously that the Dems would have ever stooped as low as the Repubs, and chosen to use the filibuster rule more than 400 times over a two year period.

            And just to remind you, over the past more than 15 years, there has only been about 7 1/2 months when the Dems had total control of both houses. Despite what you and many have posted, the Dems DID NOT have control of both houses for 2 years. They gained filibuster proof control of the Senate on 1/1/09 but lost that control when Ted Kennedy died 7 1/2 months later on 8/15/2009; and Scott Brown a Republican was voted in stupidly by apparently cluesless voters in Mass. The Dems used the 7 1/2 months they had control to follow through on TARP, the auto bailout, and get Obamacare passed. Historic legislation that in time will make an enormous good difference in the lives of millions of Americans.

          • neeceoooo

            Thank you so much for your thoughtful post, I appreciate it very much.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            The problem is, is that Democrats don’t know how to use Power when we have it.

            Every freaking time the Democrats do have power, we usually screw it up somehow.

            This goes back to a theory I have that the Republicans are “giving” the democrats “some” power to give us people the illusion that voting actually matters.

          • plc97477

            because the Dems insist on doing things legally. Repugnics aren’t so honest

          • nobsartist

            exactly. Like Dems voting to invade Iraq “legally”.

            payback is a bitch.

          • plc97477

            dems did not vote to invade iraq they voted to let bush decide if there was a need to invade. I didn’t like it, still don’t but they didn’t ask my permission. My representatives voted against the war

          • Inthenameofliberty

            We live in a constitutional republic. [ Not a democracy.] But you know that, right?
            Obama has tried. He’s done some good things.
            And he’s done many, many bad things.
            I cut him no slack. No slack to him, to Bush, to any of them. Liars – cheaters – that’s them.

        • idamag

          Attesting to the character of John McCain: Here is a man who went with his present wife a year and then had to divorce his wife to marry her. His former wife was disabled in an automobile accident.

    • Reddiaperbaby

      What I’d like to know is WTF is wrong with the media that this guy gets to spew on all the talk shows and is news? If he’s so fucking irrelevant, why does he get all that time to bore and infuriate the audience? Somebody should tell the TV pundits that nobody gives a shit about his paranoia anymore…

      • Michael Kollmorgen

        Most of these big broadcasting companies have been bought and paid for by corporations that are republican lead. Most are nothing more than talking heads that give the appearance of neutrality.

        The only source of real reporting anymore in PBS and even here they are trying to cut its funding.

        I actually get more honest reporting listening to short wave from other countries reporting on american problems.

        The BBC, much of Europe, some in Asia have excellent programming.

        • Reddiaperbaby

          Thank you, Michael…switching to the BBC at once.

          Sent from my iPad

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Yea, the BBC is probably the best out of all of them. They aren’t broadcasting directly to the US (turning their antennas to face us) anymore though.

            I’ve been getting lots of good stuff out of Canada, the Netherlands, of course the UK. Even Radio Havana has a certain sense of humor.

            I haven’t been able to pick up much from South America. Since my long-wire can face only 1 way, I can’t turn it to face that direction. Eh, maybe I’ll put one in facing east/west.

            But, go on the Internet, you can pick them all up without much trouble.

  • Michael Kollmorgen

    The GOP represents a far-gone world-view that never was.

    Just hidden under the bed sheets of peoples private abodes there lied the real America. Whether it was in the name of their god, their finances, their pride in their latest Lawn Tractor acquision, or their overinflated Libedos, Republicans did what they always did. They played their dream-game against themselves. Some could distinguish between dreams and reality. Most didn’t!

    Republicans became greedy, self-serving, egoticical, scared shitlits to admit they were the party of exclusion, not of inclusion. They were the people who believed in Reagan. Now, their stuck in it to their eyeballs. Now, like the Emperor with No Clothes, the typical Republican is in the same condition, if not worse.

    Republicans believed in the Rockwellian sort of american life that never was. It was a Smokescreen. We Democrats knew it all along because we represent the American People. At least, we used Flashlights under the bed sheets.

    Republicans never represented anything other than money, power and lots of lies. The Republican Party is DOOMED, their days are numbered. And, it will be their own minds, their own fears, their own conceit and beliefs in their god that will perform the final execution.

    The sooner the Republican Party dissolves into oblivion, the better it will be for everyone else.

    Let’s hope what replaces it is a good dose of reality. This country certainly needs it. If not, we’re all libel to wake up from a dream and find ourselves without a country.

    • Countrybumpkin

      We need a “tsumani-like” demand for PUBLIC FINANCING for ALL ELECTIONS. Not until we take the MONEY out of POLITICS will our shaky democracy survive and our country recover.

      • Michael Kollmorgen

        Yes, I agree. We also need to get religion out of politics and government.

        Maybe then we’ll restore some form of normalcy back into the political process.

        But, I seriously doubt it.

        • whodatbob

          Right on! Religion needs to stay out of politics. Very difficult, religion is in the morality business as are politics and government in the morality business. Many laws criminalize immoral deeds. Does politics and government need to stay out of moral issues to keep religion out of politics and government? Religion and Government overlap. Impossible to seperate?

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            It may be impossible. Religion and Governments do basically the same thing – control and manipulate populations. In essence, they are one in the same.

            Only, they control and manipulate doing it in their own ways.

            The most stable structure on earth is the Triangle or anything with 3 legs. Religion and Politics is 2 of those legs. The other one is ignorance, lack of education in a nut shell.

            This is how we allow ourselves to be controlled and manipulated, through our own ignorance. It’s quite effective!

          • iamom4

            True. The axiom ” is you tell a lie long and loud enough” people will believe it. Sure worked for Hitler as stated in Mein Kampf.

          • whodatbob

            Wrong! You write Religion and Government are basically the same thing making the two combined one lag, and ignorance the other leg. Ignorance, lack of information, can not support any thing. Therefore, a one legged whatever. Your lack of data is showing.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            I never stated religion and politics is a combined 1 leg. I said there is 3 legs; 1 religion, 1 politics, 1 ignorance.

            They, religion and politics do one thing very good, control, but they do it differently.

          • whodatbob

            If as you state religion and politicts do the same thing then they are joined as 1 and are not 2. And again I agree ignorance is the lack of information (education) it is incapable of supporting anything. Your triangle has only one leg. You two more leggs.

          • idamag

            These so called “Christians” are dogmatic bullies. The Bible advocates separation of church and state. A man came to Jesus and asked him who he should pay to: The church of the state. Jesus told him to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and unto God that which is God’s.

          • whodatbob

            Yes, the Bible states that. But is it infered in that quote that we must only obay State laws that agree with religious beleifs or that the State is not to pass laws that are set out in religious beliefs? I am tired of the Humanist bullies contuining to push their beliefs in to law.

          • jointerjohn

            To all four of you directly above going back to Countrybumpkin, our central point of agreement on money and religion in civic life is because money and religion are the same thing! Instruments misused by the power-hungry against the bulk of the passive population. God is nothing but a potentially retributive figure invented by aggressive humans to get passive humans to do what they are told. Money works the same way, do what the boss says or you won’t eat. Public financing of campaigns and the complete revocation of religious tax exemptions would be terrific ways to start freeing the meek from their captivity.

          • Michael Kollmorgen


          • RobertCHastings

            And Sweet Daddy Grace once said, “I will throw your offerings to the heavens; what comes down, I will keep, and what stays up, God can keep.” Sort of sounds appropriate for the Republican party, doesn’t it.

      • You are absolutely correct. How do we make it happen when Congress would have to vote on it? I’m not sure our votes for representatives and senators means anything anymore. They get into office and are immediately “bought” by special interests. Our needs are not even considered. What happened to Democracy?

      • plc97477

        what would be a lot easier would be to stop voting for the idiot with the most money. We are not going to get them to vote money out of elections

    • John McCain obvously needs a “good sense of reality”. One has to wonder where John was and why he wasn’t asking the questions when numerous other attacks on our homeland and foreign offices occurred – much more frequently when GOP presidents were in office than when Dem presidents were. The fact is, that despite the unfortunate 4 fatalities we suffered at Benghazi, the four years under Obama have been the safest of any time during the past 30 plus years. Here’s a list of attacks suffered under the past recent history presidents a number of attacks that John McCain could have been also asking questions about but didn’t. Making him along with Lindsey Graham collosal hypocrites.

      -Under Obama, there were 2 attacks with 4 killed, 3 Americans including one Ambassador

      Bush Years there were 12 attacks with more than 3,300 deaths including more than 3,000 Americans:
      2001 – World Trade Center, New York and Pentagon, DC; 3,000 Americans killed
      2002 – US Consulate in Karachi Pakistan attacked, 12 killed; 51 injured
      2003 – International Compound, Saudi Arabia, 17 killed
      2003 – US Consulate, Karachi, Pakistan, 2 killed.
      2004 – US Embassy bombed in Uzbekistan, 2 killed, 9 injured 2004 – US Consulate Saudi Arabia, 8 killed
      2006 – US Consulate, Karachi, Pakistan, 4 killed including US diplomat.
      2006 – US Embassy, Syria, 1 killed and 13 wounded
      2007 – Grenade launched into the US Embassy in Athens. 2008 – US Embassy, Serbia, attacked by thousands, no one killed. 2008 – US Consulate, Turkey, 3 killed.
      2008 – US Embassy in Yemen bombed, 13 killed.

      -Under Clinton, there were six attacks including World Trade Center and USS Cole killing 304, including more than 50 Americans- – Under George HW Bush, there were 12 Embassy attacks with 60 being killed.

      – Under Reagan, there were 7 Embassies attacked with 31 being killed including 17 Americans; not to mention 241 Marines killed in their barracks in Beirut Lebanon . – Under Carter there were 2 attacks with 2 deaths.
      -Under Nixon, 3 Embassies were attacked with 3 killed.

      (Sorry that my list didn’t stay aligned very well.)

      • idamag

        Independent, I love it when people use facts. That does make McCain look like the bully he has become.


    The tea party’s train left the station some time ago, and they missed its departure. If conservatives weren’t behind the curve, they wouldn’t be conservatives and no one is further behind the curve then Ted Cruz.

  • I watched on NBCNews how Iraq War was sold to people, Oh! Jesus, where does McCain get the courage to even talk a little bit what happened in Benghazi? Where? I got the real picture and do wonder why these people who were in power were not prosecuted or whether it is too late to do so. I have been touched so much after getting the facts gathered on Iraq war. Unbelievable!

    • latebloomingrandma

      Plus, McCain and sidekick Lindsey Graham, seem to be obsessed with where Obama was during Benghazi; was he off campaigning and totally dissing the episode? They want to know in detail what kinds of questions he was asking, how “engaged” he was etc. Yet, during the run-up to the Iraqi War, George Bush asked few questions, if you have read any of Bob Woodward’s books. He mainly wanted info brought to him that supported the answer he wanted. The Republicans keep trying to manufacture crises to undermine this President, while downplaying the very real ones brought to this country by the previous administration.

    • idamag

      Frida they should have been prosecuted.

      • Michael Kollmorgen

        Many of these politicians who backed going into Iraq, either time, with the military complex right at their heels should have been tried on Treason and possibly Crimes Against Humanity.

        Afganestan isn’t any better. IF we don’t start controlling what these people get us into, their thirst for war will never end. Every single generation since the Civil War has experienced at least one war, not to mention all the so-called country-building police actions we get involved with.

        It’s high time this country starts to mind its own dam business and keep its nose out of other county’s issues, that especially includes keeping our noses out of their internal politics. IF it don’t affect us directly, we have no business being there.

        The days of American Colonialism is dead. Those days ended when we abandoned Subic Bay Naval Base in the Philippine Islands (basically a protectorate after the Spanish American War) around 15 years ago AND gave up control of the Panama Canal. In essence, we simply can’t afford it anymore. What do we have, 12? Carrier Groups? We don’t need that many to protect our “international” interests.

        The only actual military and economic threat we have right now is starting to be China.

        As far as Iran, Israel (with our support) is libel to do our job for us. India is libel to take care of Pakistan as well. India and Pakistan are mortal enemies ever since Britain gave up control of India and Pakistan broke off and created their own country.

        • The issue with Afghanistan is that the war there may well have been totally unnecessary if Bush and Cheney had heeded the CIA’s 7 warnings between May 1 and Aug 6 and authorized the CIA to do everything it could to prevent the attacks – but they refused to authorize the additional spending the CIA was looking for to increase their surveilance – despite 7 warnings that al Qaeda was planning an imminent attack. There’s no guarantee the CIA could have prevented the attack – but there’s been quite a bit of press about the fact that several events had taken place in the country which pointed to an attack, which the CIA and FBI missed picking up on – partly because Bush and Cheney had the two agencies focused on finding them an excuse for attacking Iraq (starting as early as one month after they took office).

        • plc97477

          that is because through out history a president at war has little trouble getting re-elected. I don’t know why so many voters are that stupid

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    The GOP recognizes the destruction the Tea Party Republicans has caused. The influence of big money in a political party always makes it appear seamy. From the moment, Mitch McConnell began receiving funding from HMOs, he took their profit issues under his wing as if it was his grandchild. The same is true of Issa, Cantor, Ryan, Boehner and Cornyn. The other problem the GOP just doesn’t get is its image…Men speak for the GOP. The women the GOP bully males consider worthy to speak out are not in any way representative of American women…Palin? A Nobody from the Tundra? Bachmann? A woman they allowed to run for the presidency knowing she still retain Swiss citizenship?

    The GOP today is nothing more than a Norquistian Empire of men who dominate and hope to continue their antiquated ideas of existence while they impose hardship on anyone not in their crony kingdom.

    • idamag

      As for the turtle, go Ashley Judd go.

  • jarheadgene

    Obama makes great speeches about what NEEDS to be done…but our DO NOTHING Congress is full of idiots playing politics and not doing their jobs….JOBS that “WE the PEOPLE” pay them well to [not] do. There is ONE exception. A newbie at her post.
    Sen. Warren. She wants to know why the little guy is always getting crushed by ADA’s and DA’s while Wall Street walks away with lots of cash….no trials..and small fines. I hope she is the pit bull she seems to be and locks her perverbial jaws down on their jugulars.

    • idamag

      She is one tough lady. She has been fighting the banks bad practices for a long time.

      • Siegfried Heydrich

        Clinton / Warren 2016
        Because Mommies Can Fix Everything

  • elw

    As always it will take the anger of the American voter to put a stop to the craziness that has taken over the Republican Party. After- all, For the last 100 years it taken the persistent push of ordinary people to get Social Security, Medicare, the women’s right to vote and own property, end segregation, the draft and much more. So never underestimate the power we have as American voters. Write your National and State representative and let them know what you want and choose carefully when giving them your vote. They can only make us slaves if we let them.

  • Rick2101

    Cutting everything that benefits everyone seems to be the orthodox Republican answer to everything. I have tried to be a centrist, not too conservative not too liberal, for years, but it just seems like the radical right is just wrong. Some say that the core Republicans idea of limited government is just police, fire, and a large military to protect their homes, their way of life, in others words their personal wealth. I believe the conservative wealthy view that those are the only things taxes should pay for, so everyone should pay taxes only to protect the wealthy and their way of life. However, when it comes to education to help ordinary Americans achieve some form of success or get healthcare to perform at our best, well you are on your own. The wealthy have the means to pay for the best healthcare and the best education that money can buy. Therefore, the idea that they should pay taxes to help others is unconstitutional, even perverse to them. It is like, why should they help anyone to become educated and healthy enough to challenge their ascendancy. It is almost a Medieval Europe mentality, where the feudal lords had the best of everything but the peasant masses had to fend for themselves. The ordinary person are the ones who need a tax structure to help them achieve and maintain a decent life, the exact thing the conservative wealthy do not want to help pay for. I believe that is a very self-centered and destructive philosophy.

    • idamag

      Histrical note here: When FDR was trying to get Social Security passed, Senator Preston Bush fought it vigorously. When it passed, he vowed to repeal it. Dubya’s grandfather.

    • TruthHurts111

      Very eloquently stated…… Medieval Europe mentality…..That was creative…..THXZ for the comment……

  • adriancrutch

    Well! That sums it all up! And in a funny way! I like the Transformation! That’s KILLER!

  • If the GOP is to survive they are going to go beyond their own white peoples constituebts, and show Afrucan0Americans Asian-Americans, and hispanic-Americans how true conservatism works for everyone. The Republicans have talked in riddles too long.

    • Siegfried Heydrich

      Can’t happen. If they do, they won’t be them any longer.

  • charleo1

    What was a very disturbing report, to me at least, was learning our infrastructure is under constant
    cyber attack. Our electric grid, water supplies, as well as many of our military contractors. The
    word is China is stealing everything they can get their hands on. Including making the sharing
    of technological knowledge a prerequisites for access to their growing consumer market, and
    the permission from the Government of China to manufacture products using their cheap labor.
    Congress had an opportunity to harden the defenses of our very vulnerable electric grid, before
    heading home for the Christmas holidays. Now, of course there is hardly the time, with the
    long awaited food fight between Dems., and GOPs being well underway. And, the Easter break
    is right around the corner. Then, it’s jetting home for the Memorial Day Festivities. Which is
    really the ramp up to the Fourth of July picnics, where we kick off our campaign fund drives with
    a bang!. Could it get any worse? Ah, yes. Yes it could.

  • Siegfried Heydrich

    The Republican party is no longer a political organization, but has become an apocalyptic death cult. It has no future because its base is too old to have a future. They have rejected the future, reality, facts, and reason. One of the most fundamental requirements for a future is a basic recognition of reality-as-it-is, not reality-as-our-leadership-tells-us-it-is-and-expects-you-to-believe-it. Orthodoxy and heterodoxy must inevitably yield to reality. The GOP has, unfortunately, pretty much left reality-as-it-is behind them, and are now dwelling in (as Socrates might put it) in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

    Republicans are no longer conservatives. Conservative stellars like WFB or Russel Kirk or even Reagan (Nixon!!) would be horrified at what has happened to a once proud and principled party. The Republican party has been hijacked by those unworthy of even being in the same room as the before mentioned.

    The Republican party is doomed. They have squandered numerous opportunities to return to sanity, but have doubled down on madness at each and every opportunity. They are as incapable of adaptation as a Dodo, and are as doomed to extinction. Their bigotry, their hatred, their greed, their arrogance, their duplicity, their lust for power, their indifference to the well being of the nation, their hypocritical rejection of the message of Jesus (whom they falsly claim to worship), and their tribal fanaticism are all deeply and fundamentally un-American.

    They claim the Founders as their conservative role models, yet their revolution was exactly that – revolutionary. They swept away the old to allow the creation of the new. They destroyed the old order to create a new one – this is seen on the Great Seal of the United States – “Novus Ordo Seculorem”. a “New Order for the Ages.” They were radicals. They revolted against God and King. They won. And a new age was born.

    History and the American people will not miss the GOP. As with the Whigs and the Know-Nothings, they will be relegated to entries in history and PoliSci textbook. What will be interesting is what conservative party emerges to replace it. If it is as hostile to the American people as the Republicans have become, then the American experiment is in peril. If it is rational and responsive, then the experiment will have passed its greatest challenge, an attempt to impose mythology and theocracy on its populace. I am hoping the Libertarians might consider getting some clues, which would help them survive and grow, filling the void left by the GOP.

    But any way you cut it, the GOP is on its last legs. Their excesses, their lust for power and money are their downfall. Their hatred of anyone not of their tribe will isolate and destroy them. They will survive in backwards pockets of darkness where hatred and bigotry is celebrated, cancers awaiting an opportunity to metastasize, but awareness of what they are and what they stand for should provide immunity for the next few generations.

    And perhaps the worst thing is that I was once one of them, and their failure tears a small part of my soul away. I am ashamed that I was once among their number. But I have seen the light, and the GOP is, sadly, draped in darkness which now engulfs them.

    • whodatbob

      I agree! But, My Lord, the Libertarians? Libertarians make Tea Baggers seem like wild-eyed liberals. They want no goverment everybody for themself.

      • Siegfried Heydrich

        That’s why they need to be slapped upside of the head repeatedly with a cluebat. They exist in a world of ideas, theories, books (comic and otherwise) and have never, ever had to deal with reality, with having to actually engage in political activity where there’s money and power involved, where there are consequences for their decisions.

        Reality is the crucible which will either refine them or consume them. Not everyone survives their encounter with the cluebat . . . and not every political movement can make the grade. But they deserve the opportunity to stand or fall on their own merits (or lack thereof).

        • whodatbob

          Good point, I agree.

  • Can anyone even imagine where we’d be headed if those numbskulls Romney and Ryan had been elected? The rest of these Repug dopes in Washington are headed the same way…and it won’t come soon enough for me and all other level headed Americans…

  • Mr

    John McCain deserves the republican party and likewise–
    they deserve the likes of him. He is, on his best day–
    a liar and a fake/fraud!
    The ‘R’ party never had a use and now–they are below that
    with their hatred and bias. President Obama is one of the best things
    that could have happened in and for America after the lying
    bush mess because it has brought out into the open what they have
    concealed for so very long. Petty-lying-destructive fools!

  • I’d always thought Michael Tomasky wrote a lovely, liberal bit of prose. But Gene Lyons is at least his equal. No one on the right writes like our guys. I’ll have to drop in here more often. Thank you Mr. L.

  • Sand_Cat

    I’d like to hear about the “humanist bullies” you hate so much, unless you also lack data.

    • whodatbob

      Who hates the Humanist? A great thing about America is freedom of religion, we all have the right to believe or not believe as we want. When belivers oppose legislation supported by nonbrlievers the believers are called Bullies. However, if believers support legislation opposed by non believers yell unfair, the believers are bulling us. The preceived bulling goes both ways, it is a one way street as the nonbelievers think.

      • Michael Kollmorgen

        Well, I’d rather get beat up side the head with man-made laws, rather than trumped up bible quotes that weren’t even jesus’ own factual words.

        What we perceive as the word of jesus wasn’t even transcribed in his day. It took another 150 years to get his thoughts on paper through hearsay and third party comments.

        And, who knows what was actually said 2000 years ago. The bible has been changed so much, parts banned, changed, no one really knows what it’s original contents were.

        What we see today, standardized (what’s left of it), is only due to Gutenberg and his printing press which then mass produced it in the 1450s.

  • RobertCHastings

    I think it’s a little simpler than that. There are two basic factors involved,1) the Norquist pledge, and 2) the Republican fear of losing their majority in the House. Grover Norquist claims it is not his pledge, but a pledge all those who signed it made to those who elected them. BS! It was a pledge made to the people who had the money to influence elections. If mainstream Republicans were to stand up to the fringe in their party, they would no longer be a majority, for the Tea Party would take their football home and refuse to play. I like this scenario, of what, forty to fifty Representatives leaving the House floor, enmasse, to protest the mainstream Republican refusal to kowtow to them. And that would leave – you guessed it, a minority of Republicans who could not oppose the Democrats, and would probably very quickly replace Speaker Boner – oh, excuse me, that’s Boehner.

    • plc97477

      I usually just call him bonehead

  • I just returned from a week long adventure in the great state of Arizona. I’ve been visisting AZ off and on for decades but this time was different. In general conversation with the locals I was bombarded with hate filled rhetoric about the President, illegals and guns. When I tried to pull from their dialog the reasons for such expression I virtually got nothing of substance in return. Just blind fury and self-inflicted wounds. There is indeed a very foul mood that is irrational, but very disturbing just the same.

  • Leon DeBaer

    Not once, since it became part of the Republican mantra, have jobs been created due to lowering of taxes corporations and millionaires pay. and/or regulations been relaxed. If it did we would not have an employment problem anywhere in this country.Republican resistance is just another example of how much they have been bought by the likes of the Koch Brothers, Grover Norquist, the NRA, Karl Rove, etc.

  • daniel bostdorf

    The Fall of GOP “true believers” was inevitable. The destruction of the GOP as Ronald Reagan knew it has happened.

    The neo-fascists like Ted Cruz, right wing media, scared and tired old white men, continue their collective delusion that they will ultimately prevail.

    THe 2012 election has proven that a form of an “American Spring” occurred by the poor and middle class and Hispanic and black voters.

    Writer and filmmaker Mitchell Bard states it best:

    “The Republican party, at a federal level, has become a toxic brand. Beyond the election losses in November, polling data shows that the majority of the American people are not with the GOP. According to a recent Bloomberg poll, only 35 percent have a positive image of Republicans (the same poll shows a 55 percent approval rating for the president), and only 44 percent believe the GOP policy of cutting spending and taxes–the thing Republicans say is so important they will blackmail the country to get it — will create more jobs than the infrastructure investments proposed by the president….But more importantly, Republicans in the House and Senate, afraid of primary challenges and, in some cases, the product of them, have handed their party over to the lunatic fringe. They have placed a purist, anti-government, anti-taxes, pro-wealthy, anti-middle class, Ayn Randian ideal above the practical, compromising, hard work of actually governing. They have created a toxic atmosphere in Washington, in which damaging the country (again, we are talking about a million people losing their jobs) is preferable to working with a president they irrationally despise and compromising to move even an inch closer to where the majority of voters stand on the issues…..Simply put, the Tea Party-controlled Republicans in Congress are driving us over an economic cliff.”

    It is final nail in the coffin of the GOP.

    Author Tennessee Williams sums it up nicely:
    “If people behaved in the way nations do they would all be put in straitjackets.”

    I believe the extreme right wing GOP, Teaparty, and all their supporters need straight jackets.

  • daniel bostdorf

    Great article!

  • rightcenterforever

    I do agree John McCain is growing old (like everyone) and is losing some touch with reality but it is so pathetic to watch the media (you bloggers mean nothing) demonize one who stands up for the rights of the people. If our President and the media get their way all you losers out there will find out what its like when there is no more money to hand out.

    Good luck lefties!

    • daniel bostdorf

      Go away troll…..why won’t you post your real name instead of hiding behind an anonymous user name?

      Definition of troll and “rightofcenter” :
      A troll posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages for personal engrandizement in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog…… Primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”

      Sound familiar “right of center?”

      Let us alone OK? Comeback with your real name next time. Your photo is attached for future reference.

  • rightcenterforever

    Hey Daniel,
    When I signed up it asked me for my username, so I made one up that would mean more to the readers than any real name—-just like the majority on this forum. I guess since I aroused your emotions I am the “troll”. I accept the term and thank you for posting my photo for me. Sorry if you think I derailed the intelligent conversation going on but I expected as much. Much the same as when anyone on here posts from right of left—I mean center. In parting, the sequester is upon us and is the beginning of no more money to hand out—-and that may not be all bad.

    • daniel bostdorf

      You have proven my point for the second time….this article is about the fall of the GOP….not the sequester, me or you or anything else.

      Definition of troll and “rightofcenter” :

      A troll posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages for personal engrandizement in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog…… Primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”


      Gene Lyons correctly sums up:

      “In consequence, GOP True Believers have rendered themselves incapable of noticing “the complete failure during the last 30 years of tax cuts for the wealthy to increase revenue, kick-start economic growth, or help the middle class.” They’re getting screwed, and blaming the wrong people.”

      The GOP is essentually a party that has self destructed. Itis now “led” by Boehner and other right wing extreme politicians. They are disgusing propaganda as truth.

      As a collective group of propagandists, they keep repeating lies in order to make you believe that they are collectively being factual.

      Propaganda is particular way of presenting a message, usually false to be blatantly biased in favor of a collective lie…

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”—-nazis Joseph Goebbels

      • rightcenterforever

        My comments did go astray of the current blog by Gene Lyons, dang, but it appears you want more of my comments: Calling the tax cuts of the last 30 years a complete failure is so far from reality, the statement becomes a bigger “lie” than what he contends the republicans continue to do. The vast majority of U.S. citizens are better off today than they were thirty years ago. Sure exceptions exist and that is what the media, including Gene Lyons, and most dems dwell on—-exceptions. Or if not the exception, find someone else to blame! The blame game goes on and on—-both sides of the isle, as do the “LIES”. Mr. Lyons nazi quote on
        “Lies” is most accurate and relevant. It will take some time for the republlicans to regroup and show the Obama administration they are the “truth” and the greatest enemy of their administration.

  • rightcenterforever

    One more comment from the right relating to Lyons articlle on the fall of the GOP. It won’t take long for the GOP to regroup when all the “lies” Obama and the media have been spreading over the sequester come back to HAUNT. Bernanke SPEAKS!

    • daniel bostdorf

      Trolling again EH?

      List me 12 examples of:

      ” all the “lies” Obama and the media have been spreading over the sequester come back to HAUNT. Bernanke SPEAKS!”

      You gotta get past your “bumper sticker” Rush Limbaugh mindset….really…

      You simply have no sense of any political history whatsoever do you?

      Go read the complete 13 volume set of Will and Ariel Durant’s “History of Civilization” THEN…come back here and post ” Mr. hide behind a fake name troll”…with your real name OK?

  • daniel bostdorf


    Gene Lyons correctly sums up:

    “In consequence, GOP True Believers have rendered themselves incapable of noticing “the complete failure during the last 30 years of tax cuts for the wealthy to increase revenue, kick-start economic growth, or help the middle class.” They’re getting screwed, and blaming the wrong people.”

    The GOP is essentually a party that has self destructed. Itis now “led” by Boehner and other right wing extreme politicians. They are disgusing propaganda as truth.

    As a collective group of propagandists, they keep repeating lies in order to make you believe that they are collectively being factual.

    Propaganda is particular way of presenting a message, usually false to be blatantly biased in favor of a collective lie…

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”—-nazis Joseph Goebbels