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Saturday, October 1, 2016

Long before the shooter walked into a suburban Milwaukee Sikh temple and opened fire, murdering six people before being killed by police, the former soldier reportedly responsible for the horrific attack was loaded with the ideological ammunition to carry out acts of mass violence against people of color.

Wade Michael Page has been identified as the alleged shooter. The exact motivation for Page’s targeting of the Sikh temple is not now known, but his background shows a young man who for over a decade had his head filled with white noise.

After being drummed out of the Army with a less-than-honorable discharge in 1998, Page discovered the white power music scene in 2000. During this period the so-called white power music scene was burgeoning into a multi-million-dollar-a-year international enterprise and the leading recruiting tool attracting a new generation of white nationalist “street soldiers” into the movement.

In those years after the Army, Page travelled the country attending white power music festivals in Colorado, Georgia, North Carolina, and West Virginia, and found a home in the movement. He quickly rose in stature by not just being another sieg heiling racist in the crowd, but being up on stage as a popular white power musician. Page claims to have played in some of the most well-known white power music bands in the United States and Europe, including acts like Celtic Warrior, Radikahl, Max Resist, Intimidation One, Aggressive Force, Youngland, and Blue Eyed Devils.

Those racist bands all sound pretty similar, but today white power music music comes in a multitude of genres, from National Socialist Black Metal to Ku Klux Klan Country ballads. It may be packaged differently, but the message is the same: hatred of Jews, Muslims, all people of color and the LGBT community; exhortations to violence and even glorification of genocide.

  • He’s still alive? Can’t beleive it. Execute the weirdo murderer ASAP

    • 12voltman1

      Execution? That would be a violent and easy solution. Two wrongs never make a right. Who are you to play god? The man is apparently very sick in the head. A mental disorder. We shouldn’t just execute everyone with mental problems. Even people that take other lives. We are a better society then that.
      He should be put away for the rest of his life.

      • Eric Schiavone

        I have to disagree 12volt. If we did execute the murderers i think it would be more of a deterrent to kill. And better than sucking our tax dollars keeping them in prison. I know there is a moral issue about “playing god” so I can understand your view. Still cant help to think how it would better our country to be rid of people like this.

        • 12voltman1

          A deterrent does not work with someone who is insane.
          The civilized countries of the world do not have capital punishment.
          The countries that do include China, North Korea,Iran Saudia Arabia to name a few.

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          • Edsanjuan

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          • 12voltman1

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          • 12voltman1

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            Screw them.

  • It is clear that racism, cultural intolerance, hatred and ignorance are alive and well. People like this maniac can be seen and heard in every station in the Union, and while it is true that they are a minority, the potential damage they can inflict on segments of our population and our national credibility is great. The fact that this man attacked and killed Sikhs in a Temple because he hates blacks, Jews and Muslims speaks volumes about his intellect and the prejudices that influence behavior of people like him. While there is no evidence that his behavior was influenced by anyone in particular, in my opinion the rhetoric that comes from some sectors of our political spectrum are not making things any easier. Why are people like this nutcase allowed to buy and carry weapons? As for his ignorance, it reminds me of the woman who asked Sen McCain in a tremelous voice if he thought Barack Obama was an Arab!

    • lkreu

      I couldn’t agree more. Its scary when you see someone so young still thinking like this in the US and I know there are tons more where he came from. This along with the way our President is treated is sad – I thought we had come so much further its just sad. Where are they learning all of this hatred besides from the music, home, church?

      • delroy brown

        This hatred is learned from peop;e in high places like Michele Bachman and the extremist sect of the tea party and the right wing conservative media namely Fox cable news which provides a platform and a daily diet of this hatred. When fed to a weak and feeble mind we have the result just witnessed. The hatred and racism spewed toward our president and first lady accusing him of being a muslim and enemy of the state by prominent GOP leaders fosters this hatred. I hold Rush Limbaugh and all the right wing talking head for this montrosity.

    • 13observer

      You asked; why are people like this nutcase allowed to buy and carry weapons? If you think about it clearly…none of us are ALLOWED to kill people. None of us are ALLOWED to rob people. None of us are ALLOWED to rape people…and so on… however, these things happen everyday! So, answering your question…this killer was never ALLOWED to purchase or carry a weapon with the intent of KILLING. “Profiling” individuals would not be “politically correct” as we all know. How do you indescriminately qualify individuals to purchase or carry weapons without compromising their civil liberties and their rights under the Second Amendment of our Constitution? All liberties come at a price, just the same as the veterans of our miltary gave their lives for! More gun control is certainly not the answer because it punishes those who have commited no crime but enjoy the freedoms and liberties provided us in our great country.

      • His action was facilitated by our conviction that every American, regardless of whether or not they are psychologically fit to buy and carry a gun, can do so because the Second Amendment of our Constitution says so. In my opinion, the intent was to ensure a militia was ready to confront a potential British invasion, rather than making semi-automatic weapons available to every mentally unstable citizen so that they can go out and kill those they hate. I don’t have a problem with people owning a handgun or a rifle for target practice or for protection, I do have a problem with people who have a record of psychological problems being able to buy an arsenal.

      • adler56

        BS. No one is saying anything about taking your security blanket- your gun(s)-are you unable to see the difference between control and confiscation? If not, then you’re not smart enough to have a gun. A well regulated militia wouldn’t take someone like you. Nuts use the 2nd amendment to justify their psychological defect.

      • howa4x

        Did you take this off an NRA script? Answer this question: why does anyone need an assualt rifle? Or 1000 rounds of amunition? Shouldn”t that be a tip off that something is wrong? You don’t need profiling for that. The gun industry is the only one that is not accountable for the manufacture of its product. Don’t you think that the industry should report that a person just ordered 6000 rounds of assualt rifle bullets. No one is saying that you can’t have a gun but we should be able to spot who shouldn’t. Every massacre is preceeded by a large purchase of ammunition, and the NRA has said no one should be held responsible for this. They have become the most irrational lobby in the country. Most other groups work with government to design a compromise that allows the group to conduct avctivities that don’t hurt or kill anyone else, but not the NRA, no comprmise whatsoever, no matter how many innocent people are killed, dosen’t matter. Most people respect that hunting and target practice is a very american thing to do and reasonable people don’t object. But also they don’t respenct peope who are obcessive about it either. The blood of every massacre can be laid at the feet of the NRA. If americans were smart they wouldn’t wait for timid politicians and initiate a giant class action suit against the NRA all the gun manufactuers, and every state that has lient laws to ownership, to add the restrictions that would protect every man woman and child from unrestricted carnage
        BTW when the constitution was written people had flint lock single shot guns, lived on the frontier and were dealing with a new experiemnt in governace

        • sigrid28

          A giant class action suit is probably the only immediate remedy available to the growing number of victims of gun violence and their families. There sure are a lot of them, approximately 10,000 killed annually plus their loved ones. Now, put six zeros after that number. That’s $10,000,000,000 (ten billion dollars), only a drop in the bucket for the NRA, gun manufacturers and distributors, and on-line ammo retailers, though this sum might crimp their style when it comes to lobbying elected officials and lavishly contributing to Super Pacs. Think of the way the tobacco industry has been justly reigned in, while not inhibiting those who choose to smoke or chew or whatever, and while not diminishing profits, so that the myriad, hard-won, top-dollar claims against the tobacco industry can be settled.

          • howa4x

            Thanks for agreeing. We the citizens have to stand up on this issue Maybe we should start an on line petition

          • sigrid28

            My understanding is that there are attorneys who specialize in class action cases, which are very, very complicated. They probably contact victims of gun violence, and they can earn a portion of awards stemming from successful class action law suits. If such an action ever got underway, it would entail a long, grueling process for all concerned. Maybe what would be needed are victim advocates and financial support for families, especially those without adequate health insurance.

          • howa4x

            I know about the legal process and you’re right it would be long and grueling but in the end areal wake up call for this country

          • sigrid28

            One place to start might be the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

          • howa4x

            Problem is the congress is either paid off by the NRA or afraid of them

        • imtom1940

          The NRA has to protect our 2nd amend rights because when the Gestapo IRS ( per the Governor of Main) and the 82 congressional members of the communist party ( per a Tea Party congressman) and the Taliban infiltrators in the State Department(per a Tea Party congresswoman) come stomping up your driveway you will be glad to have your AK-47 and 5,ooo rounds of armour piercing ammunition to defend your children and the Flag and the apple pie your wife baked.

          Whoops were those trick or treaters ? Thank God for the “Stand Your Ground Laws.

          • WTF?

          • howa4x

            Where do u live? You’ve been watching too much Fox or are a major drug dealer. There is no one going to come up your driveway, unless you are doing something that is against the law. So you must be a nazi flag waving apple strudle kind of person. The only taliban we have in this country is the religious right. Would you use that gun to stop them from sticking a vaginal probe up your wife? Ruby ridge happened a very long time ago, and David Koresh killed himself and all his followers in Waco. The only thing I fear from law enforcement is the constant tickets they issue to raise revenue.

          • joyscarbo

            There is no need for a militia in this country. No one is saying YOU have to give up your hunting rifle or your handgun that you use to protect your family. This may be a news flash for you, but there is no such thing as a Zombie Apocolyps.

        • DEFENDER88

          If you think even trying to remove guns from society is the solution you are delusional. Reminds me of what Obama says about the Repubs – we tried that before and it just does not work. The bad guys will always get guns. Dis-arming the good guys is a recipe for mass slaughter like we are seeing play out mostly in the gun-free zones – Columbine, VA Tech, Aurora, …. Strangly, you never hear about a mass slaughter at gun clubs, why is that? with so many guns there. And no-one gets shot. Hmmm. Wonder why? ONLY Armed and trained citizens who can defend themselves and others can stop this crap. Why do I need an assault rifle – simple – I need one to defend my home when the gangs come here with theirs. The police cannot protect me or you. The blood of all these massacres can be laid at the feet of the, delusional, gun control people. The mass slaughters are and will increase proportionatly with more gun control. Yes -Screen thoroughly those who can buy a gun but have a reaponsibly armed public that can stop this crap. It is really the only “sure” way to limit and stop it. These cowards dont want to face us when “we” are armed.

          • howa4x

            Get real! do you think you’re going to fight a gun battle in your own house with your kids and wife sleeping. If you read what I wrote I never said to disarm anyone but there are controls needed to prevent guns from gettting into the hands of mentally unstable people. So imagine Auroa colo. and it’s in the movie theatre and this lunitic comes in with 1000 rounds and an automatic pistol. he starts shooting, and 2 others shoot back and now we have a gun fight with 50 people in between. Now there is a recipe for mass disaster. In NJ they banned automatic weapons 20 yrs ago and everyone is used to it. In the inner urban areas there are the usual gun fights over the drug trade but the violence stays in one place, Same in LA, the gang bangers and not all over the city but they stay in their own areas where they feel safe. They are not coming out to Iowa to rob you. Even here the gangs don’t come out of the urban area because the minute they do they will be stopped by a large number of police. I think you have read too much of the turner diaries, and have a limited understanding of urban areas, and what goes on. These are myths that float around the NRA hangouts about arming for race war. You will do that , but there are bigger threats to your family that you refuse to do anything about. How about pesticides on your foods, or mercury in the air from coal burning plants, or childhood obesity, or a rise in violent storms from climate change.
            The problem with the NRA and people like you is that even to make minor adjustments in gun ownership is the end of the world. Even doing background checks is taboo for you people. Because in your world OMG the Blacks have taken over the white house and we could be next. Isn’t that right Buckoo?

          • DEFENDER88

            My, my. You call me names. Intimate that I am a racist. And think you know what kind of threats I face. And you say the NRA is dogmatic and uncompromising! You need to look in the mirror and see why they wont compromise. 1st – I voted for Obama and probably will again. 2nd – I said “thorough” checks should be done for gun sales.(Even so, the bad guys will “always” have guns no matter what we try) 3rd – If I had been in that theatre with 2 more of my “responsibly” armed friends we “would” have limited the slaughter and stopped him. Granted it would not have been easy and some of us would not have survived, but you cannot say we could not have stopped him, at least we would have done something. You have no idea of the training and gun skills we have which is way higher than the police. If you are going to insult my intelligence and call me a racist and call me names than I am tempted to do the same to you like the NRA does. Difficult, but I will try not to here. Left wing zealots are as bad as the NRA. And it seems one cannot compromise with you or even have a reasoned, logical discussion. Since you seem to think you are the only one who has all the answers. As Palin says “How is that working out for you”. So, you go your way and I will go mine. But if you come under attack in one of your gun free zones you should hope I am there and armed. Be advised – there is a lot you dont know. I know that about me but you dont seem to realize that about you.
            Also remember no-one was killed today by the 55million responsible gun owners in this country. By your logic we should ban cars and airplanes also.
            ps – The fonders had single shot flint-locks, etc in their day but they were not facing AK47’s and High cap Glocks like we have to.

          • DEFENDER88

            ps2
            2-3 of us shooting back at the guy would be a recipe for disaster?!?! Not logical.
            What do you call what happened? I call that a “disaster”!
            Lets see, there were what 100 in the theater and some 70 got shot – now that is a “disaster”.
            Not logical that 2-3 of us shooting back would have made it any worse than this!!
            We might have saved some but definitly not made it worse than it was.
            On the other hand, we might have helped, a lot, at least there would have been a chance to save some. If only one was saved it would be worth it for us to try.

            Are you sure you arent letting your anti-gun dogma affect your logic?

            ps3
            Correction – I said we are trained way better than the police. That was an over-reach.
            We are, however, trained better at self defense shooting than 98% of the police except the SWAT people.

            Just the facts. I dont want to embellish, lie, dis-inform or even shade the truth here.

          • howa4x

            I only responed to what you wrote, that you are arming up to defend your house. From who? Which agency do you think will come up your driveway? I worked in an urban area with a large low income population where there were shootings. None of the whites in the rest of the town were armed. The Gangs stayed in thier own area and didn’t menace the rest of the town. I don’t know where you see a threat from? Obama has never even hinted at gun control and there are no measures in Congress. I don’t know why people are so paranoid unless they read something like the turner diaries or listen to NRA dogma that the feds are trying to do this or that. I strongly believe in background checks and if they had them the shooters in colorado, W. virginia, Ariz and wisconson wouldn’t have gotten a deadly weapon due to their backgrounds. I have no idea why he NRA lobbies so strongly against this. Why let unbalanced people have access to guns? This idea that if we give them an inch and they will take a mile is absurd or once we open the door you know what happens kind of philosphy is silly. If you want to live in a state where you have to worry every time your family leaves home to go to a movie or a shopping mall, because your state has no background checks and anyone can get a gun and go to the same place fine, that is your choice. I live in a state that has strong gun control laws, and I never worry and neither do my kids, they don’t even think about it. The biggest supporters of the law are the police.
            What is fuuny about this is last night we had diner with my daughter in NYC and we mistakenly walked into an area with low income projects, and people were nice and gave us directions, and no one bothered us. So I just don’t know what you are all so afraid of?

          • DEFENDER88

            If some govt agency comes up my drive way, I am done-for anyway. Those who think they can fight off the Feds or Cops are dreaming.
            What most of them are concerned about is Martial Law like in New Orleans after Katrina when they confiscated the guns and left people defensless. There is a far right fringe that think the govt will be the future threat.
            ie imposition of Martial Law in a National, Regional, city, etc Disaster situation.
            And being left defensless.

            The actual most likely future threat will be your neighbors, in a crazed/zombie state clammoring for food and water to feed their kids if the trucks stop running for just a few days. In a real emergency your local food store will be totally empty in just a few hours. What then?

            Again here there is a fundamental driving fact to why we feel the need to be armed-
            The Bad Guys will always have guns. Always have, always will. As history has shown anyway. And a lot of them will kill you for a pair of shoes or $10. Or like Aurora, the Temple etc – for no good reason.

            Gun control did not help in Norway (the most gun controlled country on earth). But a few trained and armed citizens could have helped a lot.

            From a practical stand point, the cops are not there to “protect” me. They are there to kill or capture the one who does kill me and rob from me and put them in jail. It is up to me to “protect” myself and my family.
            Good as they may be(The Cops)(God Bless and Keep Them) they simply cannot get here fast enough to “protect” me nor most of us. Like the Aurora theater and the Sike Temple – the cops responded very well but could not stop the killing in time. Most of the killing had already been done. So it will be at your home.

            If the leader of the Temple had been armed he would have had a chance to stop it.
            He tried to but only had a knife and he was killed. It hurts my heart to see such peaceful people done that way.

            I too, STRONGLY, believe in background, etc checks – see, when you dont call me names and attack my character we CAN begin to discuss reasoned, logical solutions.
            I also strongly believe in gun “permitting” like we have here – you have to go through a class on the law, safety, qualify with the gun, etc. and the instructor (typically a cop or retired cop) at least has an opportunity to evaluate something about who you really are. Which, in the end, is what is needed as much as anything to at least curtail the voilence and murders. Here also you have to go through a FBI check and fingerprinting. I am of the opinion that everyone who buys a gun should have to go thru this process. The NRA of course would disagree strongly – but a lot of that comes from their needing to take a hard stance because of all those out there(the far left) who want to disarm we law abinding people and leave us defensless. In a perfect world I could be ok without guns but you would have to assure me that the bad guys wont have guns. Can you do that? And that I will not be attacked by the bad guys coming into my house or on the street. Can you do that? I am old and cant fight or run and evade like I could when young . But with a gun, I CAN defend myself, and others from most any attacker.

            I can possibly keep you from being killed also.
            At least I would have a chance.
            My point here is “Gun Free” zones have created a Free killing field for the crazies.
            And the police can not “protect” us. That is up to us.

            As for assault rifles, I dont like them much, but at some point in the not to distant future I expect to have to fight off some roving gangs and the police may not be here to stop this. They were not there during Katrina. They will come with AK47’s, the preferred weapon of the gangs. I will need equal force to have a chance. Also I CAN use my AR assault rifle for hunting. You cant hunt with an AK47, it is pretty much just for killing people, and as they say here “That just aint my thing”.

            But more importantly it is not the guns, it is the people.

            So – we, I and many like me can make compromises to find solutions to the slaughters but we often find a deaf, dogmatic ear from the gun control people like many in here.

            Note, I did not critize you or your position on this.
            But I fully expect to be lambasted, chastized and called crazy for my position and thoughts here.

            Yeah, I know – I am just another ignorant, racist, uncultured, southern hick.
            Whatever.

          • howa4x

            I don’t think you will find another Ruby Ridge type situation since the ATF learned their lesson, and will avoid a PR disaster. Parts of New Orleans were lawless before Katrina and the cops were very corrupt and not respected. I used to do planing for disaster type situations and will agree that when the food runs out people will get more than crazy. Your senario is more likely to happen with climate change since that will produce the kind of event, like a power outage that goes on for a month from a frigid rain or flooding . I foresee that raising sea levels will force people to move inward. if you live in the tornado belt expect more and more violent stroms and twisters, while the coasts will experience more violent hurricanes.
            I don’t see the government doing anything like that. I worked inside for too long and they are way too inept. If you remember it was the national guard that finally secured N.O not the local police. If a very large event like swine flu or a bioterror attack expect the army to arrive and restore order, and if there is an area when people are way too armed they will just avoid you and not deal with you which means no aide either so you will be left on your own. So many people will be killing so many that it won’t matter who is left to me anyway, a fast moving disease will kill more people faster than a speeding bullit .
            There are way too many people running around with extreme views, and that is why you see these massacres. Channels like fox and people like Rush and Beck spread hatred everyday, and wind people up.
            Like I wrote before gangs stay close to home and defend their own turf. LA has 90,000 gang members but you don’t find outside the barrio or Watts. You’re right about something. If you live in a gun infested neighborhood then there is more chance of getting killed by someone there if a major event like what wrote about happens. We live in a gun culture and that is the way it is, but I think stand your ground laws have an underlying racial motive to them. That is why you get a Trayvon Martin situation.
            I do think that reasonable people on both sides can work something out if the extreme people are left out of the conversation

          • DEFENDER88

            I do remember the military in N.O. Think it was Gen Honoriee(spl?)

            Compromises

            I will concede that everyone should be thououghly screened like we are here for purchase of a gun and even ammo.

            If you will concede that guns and ammo are not the root problem.

            Those of us who do competitive shooting can go thru 1,000 rounds a week easy.
            That is our sport, we practice it, a lot. For me it is IDPA – “Defensive Shooting Scenarios like the theater.”
            Some of us go thru 5,000 rounds a month.
            Most police only shoot maybe 100-200 a month.
            Most people are astounded at how fast and accurately we can shoot threat targets and safely for(miss) non-threat(hostage) targets.
            Along this line many of us think if there is a national disaster of some type we may never again be able to get any more ammo.(And with all the talk from the “left” about limiting the sale of ammo.)
            So control – yes(the crazies). Limit – NO.(Not the good guys anyway).
            With all the flap from the “left”, we think that “limits” are coming on guns and ammo and it will only hurt us good guys. And actually make you and me “less” safe.
            So storing and keeping 5,000 even 10,000 rounds is not uncommon for us. The difference is we are not going out and killing people.
            Again – it is not the ammo.
            But I would not have a problem with some fed or state person inquiring as to why I need so much. On that I can agree with you. Just dont restrict “me” and my type who are trying to do things right.

            There are about 1,000 members in my gun club. About 600 can out-shoot the police. That is more private shooters than police in all surrounding counties combined. (Not saying we are “better” then the Police, we are not). But if just 3 of us were in the theater he would not have survived and the death toll would have been a lot less.

            Let us go into gun free zones armed and the killing will go “way” down.
            These cowards do not want to face us on even footing.

            ps none of us has committed mass murder and not likely too, you have to be screened to even get into the club

            Point is, there are a lot of us out there who could have made a difference at most all of these mass murder sites. But not if you dis-arm us. Or restrict our access to ammo.

            Gun control reminds me of the US Congress passing laws that often hurt the people they are ment to help.

            The intention was good but the actual results were terrible and deadly.
            Like prohibition of liquor back in the day.

            THREATS
            There are a lot of potential threats out there to our way of life. Some of which can happen quickly. Iran/Israel War shutting down the St of Hormoze, cutting off oil.
            A solar flare cutting off power everywhere for an extended time. A nuclear terrorist attack (there are still several suitecase size weapons the Russians can not account for). Economic collapse. Global Warming is a long term thing that I dont think we can do that much about – the Chinese are building, what?, 50 coal plants a year.
            Our efforts at CO2 control are a drop in the bucket compared to what they are doing.
            City bankruptcies, reduced police forces, etc, etc. Bad economy – growing gang and hoodlum problems, here anyway.
            While I dont consider the Fed Govt a threat, I dont trust them to always do the right thing either. Or just as much chance they will do it incompentently and make the problem worse. Or, with our current “grid-lock” state of affairs and perpetual election state- not act at all.

            I will probably vote Obama again but just because I think he may do less overall damage than Romney. I am a centrist but there are no centrist candidates.

          • howa4x

            I will voted for Obama again because I think the republicans are in a bad place and want to turn back the clock. they deny everything, call climate change a hoax, and are lap dogs of the 1% that control 95% of our wealth, like the Koch brothers.
            I’m not against guns and think that you should have the right to own one. I agree that we have to prevent the unbalanced people and those that belong to hate groups from getting them. I had guns growing up and went target shooting, but NJ is very crowded so in most towns you can’t even discharge one. I guess because I worked in an urban area with a poor afro-american population I don’t fear them like most people do. I used to go into public housing unarmed and nothing happened to me. I got to know most of the street people.
            I wish the NRA would become more resonable and agree to restrictions like we are talking about. You could for example get a 5000 round/month permit just like your gun permit. What I fear is that they won’t even agree to that. Being against background checks gives the NRA and gun owners a bad name with everyone. You think the govt dosent know who everyone is? They track you by satilite and smart phones, but don’t know who will go off and kill many, that is why it needs to be prevented
            The far left is just as bad as the far right. Each group sees life through their own lens and most of us live in the middle. the media runs to who has the loudest bull horn.
            Romney will give most of the wealth of the country to his rich friends on Wall st. that’s why they want to privatize SS to create a windfall for the investor class to play with.
            You’re lucky that no one has the courage to enact any gun control, the NRA has too much clout. This is why reasonable people from with in have to advocate for reasonable oversight.
            We will have many more massacres so get used to it. Shoot outs in enclosed places seem easier to do when no one is shooting back, if you can do that more power to you.

          • DEFENDER88

            Thanks, From experience, it is “very” scary, but yes I/we can do it if need be.

      • I THINK THAT THIS CONSTITUTION SHOULD BE REWRITTEN BECAUSE IT FOR PEOPLE OF A OTHER ERA, PEOPLE HAD VALUE’S THEN, NOT LIKE NOW, PEOPLE HAVE BECOME INSANE, ONLY PEOPLE THAT THIS CONSTITUTION PROTECTS IS MASS MURDERS, KILLER OF CHILDREN,AND RACISTS, SO WITH THAT SAID, SOMETIME PEOPLE THAT HAVE GUNS TO PROTECT THERE HOMES, HAVE TO SUFFER ALSO FOR THE GOOD OF EVERYONE, GET THESE GUN OFF THE STREET, PUT THEM IN A STATE STORE, LIKE ALCOHOL , SO THAT THESE PEOPLE CAN BE SCREENED THE RIGHT WAY, WHEN THE BLACK NATIONALS CLAIM THAT THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO BARE ARMS, THE FEDERAL AGENTS TOOK THEM DOWN, WHY DO THEY LET WHITE PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT. I BELEIVE SO LONG AS THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE OF COLOR THIS WILL CONTIUNE TO HAPPEN, UNTIL PEOPLE OF COLOR START PROTECTING THEMSELF, AND THE FBI WILL START DOING SOMETHING.

        • Eric Schiavone

          Was the all caps really necessary?

        • Edsanjuan

          Translation, please ??!!!!!

      • Good point. Strapping some hunting gear on this guy and he looks like everyone else unfortunately.

    • *What These People Fail To Realize You Can Not Kill Everybody You Hate And Nobody Going No Where Jews , Muslims, Mexican,Blacks, Gays, Whites , Indians,Women,And Who Ever They Hating Is Here To STAY If They Don’t Like Them You Don’t Have To Sleep With Them And If You Want To Kill Someone Start With Yourself!! Get Over It!!!

      • I don’t like the “melting pot” analogy but good point. I agree with your post. I think that America is more like a beautiful diamond with different facets representing different ethnic groups. Think about it.

    • onedonewong

      Race hatred has never been higher than under Obama . His words and deeds have made racism a front burner issue again

      • joyscarbo

        Hmmm…a black president creates more race crime? What kind of crazy ass leep is that? Maybe it’s the people who are actually RACIST that are creating the problem…do you think, genius?

        • onedonewong

          I absolutely agree Barak is the crazy racist in the room and always has had a chip on his shoulder no matter how much whites have provide for him.
          Did we forget “you know how those old white women are” or ” the cops over reacted to a black who refuses to give them his identity” “a new race based education initative””‘ need more examples fruit cake??

          • joyscarbo

            You’re an imbicilic racist…look it up, grand dragon.

          • onedonewong

            Sorry monkey boy your Messiah will be back shining shoe and Michelle will be cooking fat back and greens come Jan 2013

          • joyscarbo

            We’ll see about that….Mitt isn’t trusted by his own party and your elitist slob from the cheese head state isn’t going to help him either.

          • onedonewong

            I just bought a used shoe shine box on Ebay and had it delivered to the WH so barak can start practicing. With his education and skills he’l be shovel ready

  • old_blu

    Seems like it is always some crazy white guy. (Holmes, Loughner, Whitman) ect,ect,ect.

    • 4BusinessOnly

      It is funny the media only reports things one way. Very interesting.

      • 12voltman1

        Care to elaborate?

        • old_blu

          Sorry I did not want to, I’m as white bread as you get, I’m glad you came up with someone.
          I could name alot more.

    • 12voltman1

      Please do not generalize people in such a way.
      Remember the Beltway sniper John Allen Muhammad ?
      Please do not make this a race war.

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    The real problem isn’t just racism and white supremacy. It’s ignorance. A lot of white southerners live in a cesspool of denial about their racism. What’s bred in the bone will not out. The rest of the people in this country have long ago moved on. This type of bigoted mentality can’t. Their minds are so blocked by ignorance, they can’t rationalize why their bigotry is wrong. How do you change that?

    Other than isolating bigots completely from the rest of society, what’s the answer? Trying to reason with a bigot is like trying to reason with a giant boulder. Not going to happen. The only thing that might possibly stop this insane racism that’s magically reared its head since this and only this president took office is stiffer punishments.

    This guy looks like he just stepped out of one of those remote militia training camps. What most of these nutjobs are really after is targeting the president. The only reason these coward boys can’t get close to him is they know if they dared try to pull off an assassination, mob rule would take over and their entrails would hang from the town square.

    • sigrid28

      Sometimes people just change, though not always in time. This was brilliantly illustrated in “American History X” (1998), a feature film starring Edward Norton, playing a skinhead who serves time, survives thanks to the kind of individual he once hated, and tries to change the racism of his younger brother before it is too late. But that is the exception. I’m afraid “Mississippi Burning” (1988), about the savage killing of three civil rights workers in 1964, is more often the rule.

      Like you and others with a healthy appreciation of the pervasive presence of racism in the U.S., I worry about the president and his family every single day. I count on the same military to protect the Commander in Chief that drummed this white noise superstar out of its ranks.

      About education as a solution, like you, I am not so sanguine. Public schools are just not up to the challenge of such intrepid stupidity. In the rural U.S., it is what the white noise fellowships count upon to fill the ranks of their growing constituency.

      I’m especially distraught,however, when I see colleges and universities looking the other way when they discover dangerous individuals in their midst, be they child rapists or psychotic graduate students. Lack of sophistication or intellectual deficiencies are not the excuse in these cases. At fault are cynical university administrators who think their position insulates them from the consequences of their actions–or inaction, as the case may be. Only the rage of trustees, the costly legal claims of victims and their families, and the inexorable march of time will cure them of their overweening sense of entitlement. I find the Colorado massacre particularly vexing. A graduate student fully supported by the department of neuroscience in a medical school WHO WAS IN THERAPY apparently slipped through the cracks.

  • Another Low Life American Taliban Member!!!

  • dtgraham

    This just in from the RNC.

    Now is not the time to have the assault weapons debate. When asked when the right time might be, they replied…well geez, I don’t know. This is only the third massacre since 2011. That’s pretty good. Lets not overreact here. As the RNC spokesman patiently explained; while there may not be a waiting period on a machine gun purchase, there definitely is one on the debate.

    • 13observer

      This just in from the F.A.C.T.S. Department…….killer did not use an “assault weapon”!

      • Edsanjuan

        13observer: People like dtgraham have NO idea what the F.A.C.T. S. Department is and, even if they did, they would not let any fact(s) stand in the way of a “cute” (and thus shallow and devoid of any reasoning) statement of “fact”.

      • 12voltman1

        No but he did have Banana clips that hold a large number of rounds to be continually fired. No one needs that kind of fire power.

  • Why isn’t anyone pointing out how much of the racist and anti-Muslim sentiment promotes the very same kind of hate as the neo-nazis/white supremacists?

  • 13observer

    The Supreme Court has already ruled on the Second Amendment so there is nothing to bebate on your interpetation of the framers intent. It is the duty of the law to determine who is qualified to purchase or carry… but just like the “hands off” approach to “profiling” individuals, you can’t pick and choose what laws you enforce or to whom you do so. Innocent until proven guilty…and as a consequence, sometimes when it is too late! When is a “drunk driver” determined to be such? Only after having injured or killing someone. So then, is it prudent to deny driving privileges to everyone as a precation?

    • iowasteve

      Although I agree with 13observer about most of what he stated – there are other things he has left out. For instance, after someone has been convicted of injuring someone while drunk driving – the states DO have the right to refuse to allow him to drive again if they so choose. If someone has already proven to be unfit to purchase or carry a gun, then that should stand to reason as well. Neither of these thoughts would prevent someone ELSE who has committed no acts of questionable thinking would be prevented from driving OR owned a gun. The problem is that just as there are driving controls – there should be in-place reasonable gun controls – the issue isn’t if they are here already – it’s getting them enforced already.

      Anyone who is discharged from the military (especially) dis-honorably should be prevented from gun ownership just as most who have committed domestic violence or other felons should not be able to purchase or carry a gun. I do NOT believe this would violate the 2nd amendment in one small way.

    • ObozoMustGo

      13… common sense like that WILL NOT BE TOLERATED around here in this sea of leftist insanity called “The Memo”. Do you understand me? hehehehehehehehe

      Keep the good common sense posts coming, please.

      Have a nice day!

      “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

  • adler56

    I think there was more than enough evidence for the government to pick this cretin up and if not arrrest him at least put the fear of prison into him. We cannot afford to have a reaction type
    security force- anyone can deal with that- we need people like this stopped and we don’t have to be Nazis to do that. We have laws this guy was violating or about to violate- hate crimes.

    • Unfortunately spreading hate is not considered a crime, if it was, half the GOP would have been in prison a long time ago.

      • Edsanjuan

        Dominick and Melvin Chatman: All the previous posts had been measured and well reasoned (including your very first, Dominick) until Melvin came up with this “gem”: ” … the hatred spewed out by the Limbaughs and Becks and Hannitys of this Country.”
        Then Dominick could not resist getting side tracked and chimed in as follows: “… spreading hate is not considered a crime, if it was, half the GOP would have been in prison a long time ago.”
        Those 2 comments are so ignorant and show a lack of awareness of the fact that, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and (especially) Sean Hannity are good and honorable people who, although passionate about their convictions (as are, and rightly so, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi), would NEVER find it in their hearts to incite a criminal MORON like this guy Page.
        This stupid idiot has hate INSIDE of him for many years now. Do not excuse or even minimize his actions by claiming that good people are bad or that hate is something that only exists in the GOP and inside of nobody and nowhere else.
        You two stand respectfully corrected.

        • ObozoMustGo

          Ed… I’d say that you smacked down those 2 morons sufficiently well. Thank you!

          Have a great day!

          “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

      • ObozoMustGo

        Unfortunately, spreading stupidity, foolishness, and leftist freakishness are not crimes either. If it was, 20% of America and the entire DemoncRAT party would be in prison in perpetuity! I’m just sayin they truth…

        Have a nice day!

        “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

  • Melvin Chatman

    These are the folks that scare me the most because they thrive on the hatred spewed out by the Limbaughs and Becks and Hannitys of this Country.
    All they need is a little push and their off the cliff at the expense of Human Lives – why did he shoot the White Officer so many times?
    Could it be that the Officer had the NERVE to help a wounded human and thus deserved killing?
    Even I, a Black Man, was confronted by one of these individuals while fishing, and I guess he liked me and my Wife, so he told US how he was “prepared to take” HIS Country back if needed – this was back in 2008!
    He then told us to “Remember The Fisherman” and we do!!!

  • ObozoMustGo

    DISTRACTIONS………. DISTRACTIONS…………….. DISTRACTIONS……..
    [keep reading. I keep updating]

    Terrible tragedies turned into political footballs by the useful idiots at The Memo and the Obozo campaign propaganda machine called “the media”. All of this designed to take our focus off of the failure of Obozo. Obozo the utter failure in Chief who cannot talk about his record so the useful idiots at The Memo try to distract us from what is really important in this election year… Obozo’s record of failure.

    BH Obozo has had a sum total of 1 (one) success. Ordering the killing of OBL. That’s it. There is nothing else in 4 years. Nothing. And even that isnt really as big a deal for him as it is for the soldiers who actually did the mission. But the narcissist-in-chief is always quick to claim credit for himself.

    Lets take a look at some of Obozo’s other “successes and accomplishments”…….

    1) Obozo comes into office $10T in debt. 3.5 years later, $16T in debt
    1A) Obozo is first President in American history to be so fiscally irresponsible that he and his DemocRAT Congress caused US Credit Rating to be cut. Nice accomplishment Mr. Obozo!!!
    1B) OBOZO HAS PRESIDED OVER AND DIRECTLY CAUSED, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, CANADIANS ARE NOW RICHER THAN AMERICANS.
    2) 2 years complete control of the government. NO budget as required by the Constitution. Still has no budget. The one budget he presented that was actually voted on by the Senate went down to defeat by a vote of 97 to 0. Nice work Mr. President!!! THAT IS an accomplishment!
    3) A new bankrupting entitlement program called Obozocare jammed through congress against the vast majority of Americans who were against it (and still are) and with the blessings of the idiot Nancy Piglosi who said “we have to pass the bill before we know what is in it”. Nice work, Mr. President!
    4) Persistent unemployment that has been the worst since the Great Depression, especially among blacks and young people. His administration keeps claiming unemployment is going down, but in reality, they manipulate the formula by reducing the # of jobs available. And then they claim that over 8% unemployment is good! Quite an accomplishment in propaganda, but not economics, Mr. President.
    5) Promises to close Gitmo…. instead, he spends $750K on a soccer field for terrorists. Don’t get me wrong, Gitmo should stay open. This is an example of how stupid and naive Obozo really is. Nice accomplishment, Mr. President!
    6) Gas prices are up 100%++ across the nation. And Obozo is so dumb he actually believes that increasing supply has no effect on prices… what an idiot! Blocking EVERY permit that has come before his administration and blocking pipelines that increase supplies does HAVE consequences, Mr. President. Gas prices are through the roof! Nice going Mr. President!
    7) Real inflation rates are close to 8% or higher. Who measures inflation without food and fuel??????? Obozo does! Another strong achievement in propaganda, Mr. President!

    [the following items 8 – 11 are about Obozo’s failed PUBLIC EQUITY business]
    8) SOLYNDRA!!!!!!!! need I say more? Nice job paying off your rich buddies who bundle campaign cash for you, Mr. President! You can probably count on some of those dollars coming back to you.
    9) SOLAR TRUST… another BILLION DOLLAR boondoggle in your attempt to play venture capitalist with taxpayer money that actually goes to your FAT CAT financier friends who are big donors. Nice money laundering accomplishment, Mr. President! Should I say more? OK.. I will…
    10) ECOTALITY – Another “green” Obozo investment disaster. Obozo gave them $115 MILLION. The SEC investigates fraud at the company. While that’s going on, Obozo gives them another $26 MILLION…. What an idiot! Nice accomplishment Mr. President!
    11) Fisker Automotive – yeah, that company that you gave $200MILLION to so they can build cars overseas, right? Great job creating jobs overseas, Mr. Obozo, you friggin clown!
    12) Fast and Furious!!!!! If this was a Republican Admin, all of you nutjobs that write on this web site would be going justifiably ballistic!! It would be the lead story on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSLSD, CNN, etc. etc.
    13) Same with the crook Jon Corzine. He steals $2B in client money, much of it farmers money, to cover his own bad bets. Then he gets to continue on raising money for Obozo like nothing ever happened. Where is Eric The Incompetent Holder? ……… crickets………. crickets……….. crickets………. Thought so!
    14) 88% of Americans say they are spending way more on groceries now than we were 4 years ago.
    15) 50% of Americans have had to give money to a relative at least once to help them get buy in the past 4 years.
    16) 47 MILLION Americans are on Food Stamps, and that number is growing quickly. In fact, Obozo has created more dependency than any other US President in history. Nice accomplishment, Mr. Obozo!
    17) Obozo was caught bribing Joe Sestak to NOT run against Specter. A clear felony. What is Eric “The Incompetent” Holder doing about it? Crickets….. crickets….. crickets……
    18) It has now come out that the Obozo had close ties with the New Black Panther Party and even marched with them at Selma in 2007. A few NBP thugs intimidate voters and the DoJ, after hearing from Obozo, decides to drop an open and shut, slam dunk case of voter intimidation which was CAUGHT ON TAPE!!! Hmmmm… why was that case dropped? Anyone care to venture a guess? Corruption from the thug-in-chief yet again.
    19) The “anti-war president” took troops in Afghanistan from 30K to 110K. The anti-war presiden that promised we’d be out of Afghanistan by July 2010. The anti war president that took a war where only 400 Americans died in 8 years under Bush, and now 1700 have died under Obozo’s “leadership” but which the media stays silent on that one. What happen to the nightly body counts on the news under Bush that seemed to have disappeared under Obozo?? Hmmmm… Nooooooo… they’re not in the tank! No way! You leftist freaks are hypocrites of the worst degree.

    I’ll continue to refocus the discussion on what is important and not these foolish smokescreens the left throws up to obfuscate Obozo’s true failure as a socialist in the White House.

    Have a nice day!

    “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

    • 12voltman1

      What does any of that have to do with the story at hand?
      Maybe you feel more at home at the Faux “News” message board with the other Tea party douche bags.

      • ObozoMustGo

        12volt…. that battery must be hooked up to your balls… I’m just sayin. Either that or your just another stoner Occupy Wall Street fleabagger fool who can’t actually understand what the point of my post is.

        Now go back to your crack pipe, you loser! It’s calling you. Can you hear it?

        Have a nice high!

        “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

    • I hope you don’t own a gun, Obozomustgo. Your rant needs to be reported to whomever that organization is who watches and tracks hate groups (The Southern Poverty Law Center). This rant is hateful and very dangerous, IMO. I would be very concerned for President Obama if he was anywhere near you. You have not one ounce of proof of your allegations against Pres. Obama. All you have done is recite verbatim the hateful talking points of the hate mongers at FAUX News. I truly hope the SPLC is monitoring some of your very hateful posts. Sure, you have a right to hate and rant, but when you hate as deep as you do, you have the potential to be a dangerous, angry, hatefilled person. I pity you. God Bless you. You need prayer.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Get over yourselft stella… You claim I have no proof of my allegations… WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON, YOU DOPE???? Hello… McFly… Is there anyone in there?????

        Everything I posted is factual. Do you think unemployment is NOT 8%? Do you think the National Debt is not $16TRILLION? Do you think that the US credit rating was not downgraded? Do you think Solyndra, Solar Trust, Ecotality, Fisker NEVER happened? Do you think Fast & Furious is just a movie? Do you think DoJ ignoring NBP voter intimidation caught on tape was just an OVERSIGHT???? Do you think DoJ suing to prevent military men and women from voting is just a joke?

        WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON??????

        You are what we legitimately refer to as an “Obozo Zombie”…. There is NOTHING Obozo could do that would keep you or other zombies from voting for him. Even if they had pictures of Obozo perferming lewd acts with minors, you would still vote for him. You’re like those morons in DC who voted for Marian Barry AFTER he was cought on tape smoking crack cocain and doing drug deals. Well… maybe you are one of them. Wise up Stella. Please don’t be that stupid.

        By the way, thanks for the prayers.

        Have a nice day!

        “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

        • Sir, go take your meds. You’re losing it. But I still wish you well today. Where I live the sun is shining bright and it’s a great day – not too hot. Go out and enjoy the day sir. Take a nice long walk. Maybe your heart will grow a little bigger (like the Grinch’s) and you’ll feel better about yourself.

          Good day to you!

        • old_blu

          Bozo, is there anything that would keep you and your other teabaggers from voteing for Romney? I’ll say it again the Rebuplicans only had to come up with a honest good person and they could have had my vote, but they failed.

          Have a good day.

          • ObozoMustGo

            It’s my boy Blu! What up Blu? I hope you are well.

            I think you are being disingenuous, Blu. Romney is so squeeky clean that you DemocRATS have to go back 47 years to allege that he cut another kid’s hair in hazing incidents. Then make up unsubstantiated lies about his tax records and act like forcing him to prove a negative is normal. You would not vote Repub under an circumstances Blu. Come on, you don’t have to lie here my friend. Be yourself.

            Have a great day, my boy Blu!

            “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

          • Edsanjuan

            ObozoMustGo: Did you notice how Stella53 and old_blu (who ALMOST voted Republican, har, har, har !! – I almost tore a ligament laughing …) DID NOT (because they can’t) contradict, not even address, your hard facts??
            The truth is that these people from the Left (bless their souls), when confronted with FACTS, are always forced to change the subject or go on a tangent (“half of the GOP are hate mongers”; “Hannity spews hatred”, etc., etc.)
            Poor lost souls; poor useful idiots; just as Obozo and his team want them: CLUELESS !!

          • ObozoMustGo

            Right on Ed! Any leftist politician throughout history in every case has had to rely on a significant “stupid quotient” amongst the people who willingly give up what liberties they may have had in exchange for the false promise of security, which never comes, but ultimately ends up in mass misery! Sad indeed!

            Have a great day, Ed.

            “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

          • old_blu

            Oh no Bozo I am being straight up with you, I know he has done nothing illegal he is clean that way, and you got me wrong I don’t consider myself a democrat or a republican, that way I really don’t have to hate anyone or their ideas, and on the other side I don’t have to like them either.

            BTW I enjoy reading most of your comments, some are a little long, and all are really far right.

            I lived in Idaho for awhile, and the joke there was how does a mormon say eff you? (trust me)

            Edit: have a great day my friend

          • ObozoMustGo

            Blu… I owe you an apology for thinking you were a leftist nutjob. I can only imagine the supreme insult that you must have taken by that assumption, and I can only offer my most hearfelt and sincerest apology. Will you accept please? I’m not sure there’s a greater insult than mistakenly assuming someone is an Obozo Zombie. That’s like assuming a person is mentally retarded. I am sorry! 🙁

            Thanks!I’m glad you enjoy my posts. Some are long, but occassionally, I have stream of conscience and then have to “clean it up” with clarifications. I’m working on getting better.

            I love Idaho, BTW. Only drove through the bottom part once long ago. I want to go back and do some fly fishing. And your Mormon joke is very funny! I like it and will use it myself.

            Have a great night, Blu!

            Thomas Jefferson: “When the Government fears the people, there is Liberty.”

  • howa4x

    They will fit right in with todays republicans who are socially intolerant. Notice where the concerts are held. They find a home in the red states where they blend in with the population. Areas where there are no major universities, or ethnic/racial mixing. They are always slinking around the underbelly whether dragging a man to death in Texas, or shooting up a Jewish day care center. This is the kind of activity that makes them feel powerful since they usually don’t climb the economic lader. In the old days they were known as trailer trash or white trash but the rest of the country is more PC. They can spread all the hatred they want but as Dylan said the times they are a chang’n. Most young people have grown up with people of different races and religions. They have been around gays and it’s no big deal. These groups will stay as a Red state fixture, gaining converts in areas blighted by the economic meltdown or victums of out sourcing. They don’t understand the complexity of the current economic system snce they are not well educated, and tend to blame their misfourtune on the usual suspects that have been used through history as scapegoats, Jews, blacks, minorities, Mexicans and have no use for smart women. They will do a massacre now and then because the country refused to tighten gun laws, and it is a badge of courage for them to kill a defenseless child, lor adult. The real shame is that’s the only way they can feel important!

  • Keep up your hate filled diatribes, smear campaigns, and dirty work Faux News Super PAC a 527 for the GOP you have your right wingnut audience in a lather 24/7. “Heck of a job your doing there, heck of a job.”

  • TheOldNorthChurch

    Hate speech by any and all groups (Right & Left) needs zero tolerance.

    “No Room for Racism”

    • ObozoMustGo

      Hello TONC… unfortunately, these days, hate speech is defined as:

      1) Anyone that supports traditional American values
      2) Anyone that supports Constitutionally limited government
      3) Anyone that disagrees with Obozo

      What is NOT hate speech?

      1) Anything the left says. Anything. Doesn’t matter. The left is NOT capapable of hate speech, don’t you know?

      Have a nice day!

      “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

      • Gee…that was sure helpful.

        • ObozoMustGo

          Hi Lynda! I hope you are well today.

          Thanks for your comment. I am here to help! 🙂

          Have a nice day!

          Thomas Jefferson: “When the Government fears the people, there is Liberty.”

  • Eric Schiavone

    Your point is quite obvious bozo. If someone doesn’t agree with you ridicule them for it! nice.

    • ObozoMustGo

      Sorry Eric… I don’t ridicule people that disagree with me legitimately. I have had many great discussions with people on here that have oppposing views and find that there are a few who I enjoy and like very much. However, I don’t suffer fools easily. And most of the people here, maybe you are included in this category and maybe not, are leftist fools. For too long, we conservatives have been way to cordial to a bunch of pack animals like the leftist morons that support Obozo, despite the fact that he’s stripping away American’s liberties on a daily basis. We have tolerated their stupidity and their numbers have grown. I just can’t take extreme stupidity. I know. It’s a weakness of mine. Perhaps I’ll work on that.

      Thanks for your comments.

      Have a nice day!

      “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

      • Eric Schiavone

        I fall in the independent area of things. I can agree with the left and right on different things. The left wants to give my hard earned money away to lazy people and the right wants to control how I want to live my life. I see you have extreme passion about your views. Maybe take more pointers from George Washington, smoke a joint and mellow out 🙂 Have a good day!

      • Bodine666

        —– I don’t ridicule people that disagree with me legitimately. I have had many great discussions with people on here that have oppposing views and find that there are a few who I enjoy and like very much. However, I don’t suffer fools easily. And most of the people here, maybe you are included in this category and maybe not, are leftist fools. —–

        You don’t ridicule those that disagree with you legitimately. You just ridicule those that don’t agree with you 100%. The difference escapes me.

        • ObozoMustGo

          666… to know the difference, follow my posts. You will see. I don’t recall any exchanges we have had recently, but I seem to think we have in the past. If I remember correctly, you fall into that category that’s not so easily suffered! I could be wrong, however. My apologies if I am.

          Have a nice day!

          • Bodine666

            From the folks posting here you seem to be the outcast. You sound like a miserable old man who’s turned his life into a total waste and are looking somewhere — anywhere — to point your withered claws to place blame for your miserable existence, except where it belongs .

            I don’t need to follow your posts. A couple of lines tells me all I need to know about you. You’re a right-wing nut job that uses lies, ridicule, innuendo, and total BS to try to divert the conversation away from the topic. You use every opportunity to spit venom at your President, that’s right, no matter how much vile you spew from your keyboard Obama is still YOUR President and there is absolutely nothing you can do to change that. Virtually everything you trot out has been debunked so thoroughly that only the most desperate of the RWNJs continue to use them. Here’s a clue for you — they don’t work.

            They do serve a purpose. They tell us of the type of nuts that romney counts on and will be in debt to if he is elected. Keep posting. You do more to turn people to re-elect President Obama than you do to dissuade. We already know the RWNJ crowd is voting anti-Obama, not pro-romney. You’re not making any converts. The more reasonable people hear from your kind the more likely they are to turn against romney. You are his representative on this website. Keep the public service work going. You need to reach everyone so they will have no doubt romney, and his kind, are not what America wants.

  • emadis41

    Sure, racism is a dangerous crede, it fuels only anger and results in tragedies. The shooter music would not exist if racism does not exist. I wonder where those who say that guns do not kill people, if this guy did nor have a gun, perhaps six people would have been alive now, and the many who injuried would not be in ER. Put a gun in the hands of the idiots and the crazy and you see the result, in CO and in WI.

    It is about time for sole search and better education of the public, guns are only a part of the equation. Tolerance is the other part, which many are lacking, case inpoint, when you hear members of the Congress and GOP candidates advocate violence against Muslims, or say stupid comments about minorities, then they would still be elected to the Congress or become President, then we should not blame the idiots who took these so called leaders serious and committed acts of violence.

    I saw some advocate suing the ultra right and Nazi groups, it will not work, unless those who are on the top are stopped. There is a limit to free speech, and there are laws of sedition, but none of these would be applied here, as long as the perptrators are right wing nuts and the courts are led by right wingers as well.

  • People who have the spotlight, for what ever reason, should not use that power to spread intolerance and hate. I do not think that Tea Party officials and other right wingers wanted the killings – but they did contribute. They are spreading an almost paranoid distrust and sense of the “outsider”.

    The NRA contributes by their distain for compromise. Almost all of our civil liberties are infringed upon for public safety. You have to wear a seat belt, take your shoes off to board a plane the list goes on. Why can we not put common sense limits on gun and ammunition ownership?

    The right wants to charge Attorney General Holder for the death of a boarder agent. They do not even want to make it illegal for the man who bought the weapon at a Az. gun show and took it accross the boarder to sell to the drug cartel! Several people made repeated “straw” purchases of guns – all legal.

    They want to get you all worked up about FREEDOM!. I do not need the freedom to die at the hands of a madman – thanks but no thanks! If you agree with me – than write or call your elected officials and think seriously about not renewing you membership in the NRA.

    • Edsanjuan

      Joan: Get your twisted facts straight: The Right does NOT “want” to charge Eric Holdup for anything; they, and so should you Joan, want Eric Holdup to be forthcoming and turn in to Congress all the requested files.
      Lastly, Joan, repeat with me: It’s BORDER, BORDER, BORDER, not boArder (Eric does not earn the “A” ….)

  • doorhead22

    This is unadulterated racism! This guy is so stupid he associated these peacefull souls with
    radical Islam,don’t these people read about the world around them , this guy will burn in hell!

  • 13observer

    I believe enforcement of the existing laws with harsh punishment may help deter some crime. Regardless of the states right to issue a permit to drive or purchase a gun of any kind, a driver or killer can find the means to carry out their desire in spite of their status or the law. What additional gun controls should be implemented? Convicted felons, domestic abusers, drug addicts and illegal aliens are not permitted to purchase, own or carry a weapon…. not to mention….use it to commit a felony! So you tell me then what additional gun control you propose to stop people who want to hurt others?

  • 13observer

    The only time my weapon was a security blanket to me was in Nam fighting to protect the freedoms we all enjoy today. Weapons serve as a tool for marksmanship and hunting to suit my pleasure. It is unfortunate that people who don’t understand these sports want to eliminate their presence or use them to commit crimes. As for “nuts”……………

  • 13observer

    “banana clips” aren’t used in pistols, extended magazines are. FYI… anyone proficient in the handling of weapons can fire…reload…fire…reload so fast that is comparable to the continuous fire from an extended magazine.

  • 13observer

    We are still dealing with a very NEW form of government today. If you read the Second Amendment you will find that it states that the militia shall have EQUAL to the government…and by those standards, we are behind. Just to help you with American culture…it is obvious we don’t NEED assault weapons just as we don’t NEED cars that go faster than the posted speed limit, or expensive jewelry, sports that cause personal injury, bull-fighting, boxing, and the list goes on. We don’t NEED any of this…….but…..because we WANT them, and FREEDOM says we can have them……we do….because we are Americans and live in the most prosperous, free, richest, most powerful country in the whole wide world……..are you starting to understand my friend? As for your argument against 6,000 rounds or whatever? If someone wanted a large sum of ammunition, all they need do is purchase it over a period of time. As for why someone wants to stockpile ammunition; buying products in quantity is always cheaper for one….as for other reasons; the anti-gun crowd is always trying to limit us and with the present administration…are you kidding?

  • 13observer

    Are you kidding? Really? Racebaiting just a little huh? I beg your pardon, If you want to make this a “people of color” issue then let’s get it on Brother. Besides the occasional mass killing of recent, who do you think perpetrates crimes with or w/o guns on the street? I’ll give you a clue brother; by U.S. population they are a minority, but their numbers are a majority in the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Guess who!

  • onedonewong

    Like it or not he was threatened every sikh carries a sword so by accidental walking into their mosque he was placed in danger.
    One thing we have to remember with these shooting their is 1 root cause…public education. Until morality is brought back into our schools these tragedies will continue

  • Ok, why doesnt the Justice Department shut them all up since they are not entitled to free speach when they are advocating racially motivated crimes and inciting riots? Oh wait, maybe its cause the department is infested with right wing religiouse goose stepping traitors perhaps?

  • All placed their by the Republicans.

  • This country knows what to do with this kind of danger. These useless animated meatsacks are hellbent on murder and mayhem only and need to be purged from our society once and for all, especially before the breed a new generation.

  • It would be really easy to blame guns ,they makers and flatulent bullies like the NRA, but even if these assholes had no guns they would still be in the news for doing these kinds of violence.Believe me I consider the NRA to be just a Republican filled bunch of misguided fools at best.

  • Which is not to say I dont support an accountability class action lawsuit against these people, but we need a president with some seriouse iron balls and spine to go with it, and we aint getting it either way,especially with some spineless dickwad like Romney.

  • mukul mishra

    this incident of attack on gurduara at milwukiee shows the highly irresponcible education
    which lacks moral education

  • DEFENDER88

    My, my. You call me names. Intimate that I am a racist. And think you know what kind of threats I face. And you say the NRA is dogmatic and uncompromising! You need to look in the mirror and see why they wont compromise. 1st – I voted for Obama and probably will again. 2nd – I said “thorough” checks should be done for gun sales.(Even so, the bad guys will “always” have guns no matter what we try) 3rd – If I had been in that theatre with 2 more of my “responsibly” armed friends we “would” have limited the slaughter and stopped him. Granted it would not have been easy and some of us would not have survived, but you cannot say we could not have stopped him, at least we would have done something. You have no idea of the training and gun skills we have which is way higher than the police. If you are going to insult my intelligence and call me a racist and call me names than I am tempted to do the same to you like the NRA does. Difficult, but I will try not to here. Left wing zealots are as bad as the NRA. And it seems one cannot compromise with you or even have a reasoned, logical discussion. Since you seem to think you are the only one who has all the answers. As Palin says “How is that working out for you”. So, you go your way and I will go mine. But if you come under attack in one of your gun free zones you should hope I am there and armed. Be advised – there is a lot you dont know. I know that about me but you dont seem to realize that about you.
    Also remember no-one was killed today by the 55million responsible gun owners in this country. By your logic we should ban cars and airplanes also.
    ps – The fonders had single shot flint-locks, etc in their day but they were not facing AK47’s and High cap Glocks like we have to.

  • Hatred of Jews, Muslims, all people of color and the LGBT community.
    Sound like a Republican Tea Party too me.

  • DEFENDER88

    ps2
    2-3 of us shooting back at the guy would be a recipe for disaster?!?! Not logical.
    What do you call what happened? I call that a “disaster”!
    Lets see, there were what 100 in the theater and some 70 got shot – now that is a “disaster”.
    Not logical that 2-3 of us shooting back would have made it any worse than this!!
    We might have saved some but definitly not made it worse than it was.
    On the other hand, we might have helped, a lot, at least there would have been a chance to save some. If only one was saved it would be worth it for us to try.

    Are you sure you arent letting your anti-gun dogma affect your logic?

    ps3
    Correction – I said we are trained way better than the police. That was an over-reach.
    We are, however, trained better at self defense shooting than 98% of the police except the SWAT people.

    Just the facts. I dont want to embellish, lie, dis-inform or even shade the truth here.

  • HATE is not a primary disease, but a SYMPTOM of a pervasive primary disease, which is the INSTITUTIONALIZATION OF DISSONANCE. This is an esoteric wording for the simple statement that WE HAVE BEEN COLLECTIVELY POISONED BY INSTITUTIONS THAT LIE TO US. From Al-Qaeda to the KKK, individuals worldwide are reacting to THE SENSE OF HELPLESSNESS inflicted upon them by global institutions driving a cosmopolitan, consumerist agenda, and fomenting a world where the individual exists in a serfdom where his only options are to be CONSUMER and SPECTATOR. At this point in time, the violent are the only human beings who cannot be bought with the instruments of material comfort, AND I CHEER THEM ALL WITH ALL MY WILL AND MIGHT.

  • Being a Veteran We were Taught to killl sometimes indiscriminately.Chickens do come home to roost.

  • nativestick

    This sounds like a terrorist cell to me. Why don’t our government take them out with drones??????