By Gene Lyons

The Transparently Phony Attacks Against Susan Rice

December 5, 2012 12:00 am Category: Memo Pad 65 Comments A+ / A-
The Transparently Phony Attacks Against Susan Rice

Even in a news environment dominated by melodramatic, often bogus, group narratives, the Susan Rice affair stands out. What began as a tragedy in Benghazi has degenerated into a classic Washington farce: with Fox News and its allies pushing GOP political correctness, politicians faking indignation for TV cameras, and “mainstream” pundits advancing a false storyline for dramatic purposes.

Thank heaven the United States faces no serious foreign policy issues. Because otherwise, you’d have to think this is a crazy way to choose a Secretary of State. Unless, as my mentor Bob Somerby speculates at his indispensible dailyhowler.com website, we’ve degenerated to the point that the dopiest possible answer to a problem is always the default option.

I hold no particular brief for Susan Rice. President Obama can nominate the current U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations to replace Hillary Clinton, or he can nominate somebody else. It’s all the same to me.

Maybe a touch of nostalgia is even in order. To see a Washington media pile-on this transparently phony, one would have to hark back to 2000, when Al Gore supposedly claimed he’d invented the Internet. Or to even to 1996, when Hillary Clinton’s indictment in the make-believe Whitewater scandal was supposedly a done deal.

Even more remarkable is that Susan Rice’s supposed participation in the Benghazi “cover-up,” as Rush Limbaugh and various Fox News pundits have called it, took place on national TV. Anybody with a computer can watch the video clips or read the posted transcripts.

Upon which a person with an ounce of intellectual honesty would be forced to concede two things: first, Rice never said what dishonest paraphrases say she did; second, that she did say exactly what her vociferous critics insist she denied.

It all started, as the world knows, on September 11, 2012, when a mob armed with rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and automatic weapons stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya—murdering U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three aides. It was the first such fatal incident in 30 years. Almost universally revered, Stevens’ loss was keenly felt.

Five days later, Ambassador Rice appeared on all the Sunday political talk shows to give the Obama administration’s response. Speaking from “talking points” written by the CIA, she made essentially the same statement everywhere she went.

Repeatedly stressing that a preliminary FBI investigation had yet to establish basic facts, Rice said it appeared that “extremist elements with heavy weapons” had “hijacked” what began as a “spontaneous reaction” to violent demonstrations in Cairo sparked by a video insulting the prophet Muhammad. (Similar eruptions occurred all over the Muslim world that day.)

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  • Diogenes67

    Spot on. Thanks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Jones/827014412 Daniel Jones

    Someone needs to patch Don Henley’s “Dirty Laundry” over the audio track of pretty much all these morons’ broadcasts..

  • nobsartist

    So now republiCONs dont want her nominated because she did not fight hard enough against bush lying us into two wars?

    Where is the jobs plan?

    These idiots need to be knocked awake to whats going on NOW!

  • charleo1

    Bill Clinton correctly described the unspoken bargain Republicans have made with the American
    People. Elect us, and we’ll work with the Democrats. Put the Democrats back in charge, and
    expect more gridlock, dysfunctional government, and more economy harming stand offs over
    the debt ceiling, the fiscal cliff, or any issue on which the government must act for the good of
    the Country. As Speaker Boehner, sounding more like a hijacker, than a member of Congress,
    reminded the President, and the Country. “Everything has a price.” What that price turns
    out to be, we can’t yet know. But, if Boehner, and his T-Party troops prevail, the privileged
    elite will will be protected. The poor, and their children will bear the suffering. And the Middle
    Class will be writing the checks to pay down the national debt.

  • charleo1

    What is up with Republicans on this issue? Once upon a time, there was a National Security
    Adviser named Rice. The Democrats didn’t blame her, or the President that picked her, when
    terrorists killed 3,000 Americans that morning in September. The Democrats didn’t try to
    ruin this bright, dedicated public servant named Rice, when her President having been elected
    to a second term, chose her to be his Secretary Of State. Democrats certainly could have raised
    an ugly fight. Called the now former top National Security Adviser to the President, “unfit,”
    or, untrustworthy. Perhaps a full investigation. A spectacle. Voicing, “Our grave concerns,”
    over the still unanswered questions about the, “Mushroom cloud,” Ms. Rice warned about
    on the Sunday morning news shows. I am tempted to throw something hard, and heavy at
    my new flat screen, every time I hear a Republican lionize Ronald Reagan as a real leader,
    because he was able to work with Tip O’Neil. And of course, it’s, “leadership, ” they claim
    they need from President Obama.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

      Let me start by saying that if a Republican politician showed the flexibility that Ronald Reagan exhibited to reach consensus, and his support of the safety net, he/she would be labeled a RINO immediately. Alas, if a man like Jesus Christ emerged today, he would be called a communist, a socialist, and an appeaser by the Tea Party.
      Once of the most important requirements to be a Republican politician is to embrace double standards and conflicting points of views simultaneously. I agree with everything you said about Condi Rice and the feigned examples of righteous indignation shown by senior Republicans who remained ambivalent to warnings about an impending terrorist attack against the USA – on U.S. soil – and not only did not question the pathetic performance of the administration, they actually elevated the stature of George W. Bush by transforming him into a war President and supporting the most bizarre response to 9/11 anyone could have envisioned.
      Don’t forget, this is the party that has been clamoring for spending reductions the last 3.5 years, and did not hesitate to promise seniors and VMI cadets that, if elected, they would restore the $716B MEDICARE savings and all the DoD program cuts made to date. Greed, inconsistency, intolerance, deceit and hypocrisy should be added to the defunct Norquist pledge if the Grand Ayatollah of the Tea Party wishes to make it a reflection of their values…or lack thereof.

      • Sand_Cat

        Well, I wouldn’t call Condoleeza Rice “dedicated” to much of anything other than the same kinds of crap the current GOP is spouting, and the Democrats were rather negligent in not at least questioning her more closely about her part in the lies and incompetence that led to both 9/11 and the Iraq fiasco, but otherwise charle01 and you hit the nail on the head.

      • RobertCHastings

        Exactly what Jesus was. He, definitely, was NOT a Republican!

        • charleo1

          They love, “Supply-Side Jesus. Their Jesus would have never fed the
          hungry multitudes. He would have seen such miracles as Socialism.
          Healing Lepers as universal healthcare. And stoning prostitutes, and
          gays, would have underscored his family values agenda.
          And of course, the Trickle-Down Jesus, would have never caused trouble
          with the money changers. Big money contributors is the quickest way
          to get enough money to buy that all important satellite time on Sunday
          morning!

      • charleo1

        Well, that is the crazy, that is the Republican Party today. Personally, I don’t
        think there is a consensus on what direction the GOP should take. They are
        split between the old guard, Pols, and the insurgent radicals of the T-Party,
        who wait in the primaries to knock off anyone not seen as one of them.
        And, that is but one of the maladies confronting the GOP as the political ground
        shifts beneath their feet. But, to your point. You are absolutely correct. They
        love themselves some Ronnie Reagan. But the fact is, he’d never make it thru a primary today. Ironically, his chances would be better running, as a Democrat in
        a purple state. That’s how far the GOP has shifted.

    • RobertCHastings

      In the early 80′s, when over 200 US Marines werekilled in a barracks in Lebanon, Reagan backed out of the conflict. While warships were in the harbor outside Beirut, with the entire leadership of Hezbollah in one building on the hillside, well within range of even the most unskilled gunnery officer, Reagan refused to pull the trigger. Where was his leadership then that would have at that time headed off much of the grief we are living through today? Is “paper tiger” an appropriate encomium?

      • charleo1

        What you say is true. That was a different time in America. Can we imagine what the
        Right would do about President Obama, if he had made a similar mistake? Perhaps
        the reason Reagan didn’t pay a higher political price, was due to the fact he was a
        popular, likable, President. There was this adoption process with Reagan, where he
        became a benevolent Father figure for many middle aged Americans. Whatever the
        reason, Americans decided he had tried what he thought would stop a terrible human
        crisis in Southern Lebanon. We used to allow our Presidents to be wrong, if we determined
        their intentions were noble, and we liked them personally. Remember? “In my heart, I
        didn’t trade arms for hostages.” “But, the facts say something different.” He was
        forgiven on the spot. Or, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica
        Lewenski!” As it turned out, people elected Clinton knowing he was a skirt chaser.
        So when the story broke, his absolution was already baked into the cake. We tend to
        grow tired of our Presidents that stick around eight years. But, Clinton’s approval rating was 68% at his last day in office. The highest, since Ike, in ’60. G.W.’s was so low,
        even the Bush name is determined politically toxic, by many who track such things.
        And, many Republicans believe the reason they couldn’t win back the White House.
        Even with 8% unemployment, and widespread financial malaise.

    • sjame

      C. Rice didn’t to any tall tale… ps… I’m an independent…. no more right, or left…. each issue as it comes up. I am sick of all the conservatives and all the liberals!

      • charleo1

        Fair enough. But I warn you, facts tend to have a Liberal bias! And Condi’s tale was as
        tall as her boss’s on WMDs.

  • sjame

    You really think you can sweep Bengazi under some rug? The public is not stupid…. Our leaders think we will be so happy over the election that what they did won’t matter. Shame on you and shame on the ones who are supporting this cover up. They made a big mistake… they watched it unfold and it stinks. Susan Rice is attached to this cover up….. Why do you expect the American people to just smile and pretend it never happened?

    • hamster999

      Oh for crying out loud – what cover up? Read the article again. You can read, right?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UHE4MJP5FHMFIEAOGEQHETUGDQ Rvn_sgt6768

        Apparently not. I won’t even get to the comprehension part. It is like being forced to listen to Faux News over and over with out having your TV on. At least this one can write, most posters from Faux can’t.

    • Lovefacts

      Apparently, you and I read different articles. Just to make it clear, other than her CIA sanctioned comments on the Sunday news shows, as UN Ambassador Susan Rice had nothing to do with Bengazi.

      It’s worth noting that Rice wasn’t the only one using these talking points. So, why is she the only one attacked?

      • ObozoMustGo

        You’re right. The entire Obozo regime lied about Benghazi and they are still lying about it, and getting away with it because a complicit media that defends Obozo to the death refuses to investigate WHY Obozo left those people to die and then lied about it. What would have been risked if he sent in back up support to save those people? What was he covering up that made those lives expendable while he watched on live feed?

        If this was a Republican Admin, you leftist freaks would be justifiably screaming from the top of your lungs every day to get at the truth. There would be 20,000 journalists and investigators talking to anyone that breaths air in Libya about this event. You know I am 100% correct on that.

        Have a nice day!

        “When Obozo called the SEALs, they got Bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obozo, they got denied.” – Navy SEAL’s Facebook posting that was censored and then later uncensored

        “Based on information that we — our initial information — we saw no evidence to back up claims by others that this was a preplanned or premeditated attack; that we saw evidence that it was sparked by the reaction to this video.” – Jay Carney on Sept 17th responding to questions about what caused the Benghazi attacks on our consulate on 9/11, despite email evidence that shows Obozo knew it was a terrorist attack moments after it started.

        • browninghipower

          Hey Clown…..you lost the election, remember? Oooops…there goes my morning coffee!

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/RFEPMKNCBVGJYV2X7LBNDGRUEY William

          Another head in the sand!!

          • Sand_Cat

            Has he got sand in his anus? Must have been sitting on the beach when he wrote it.

          • sjame

            do you mock the the Navy Seals? “No man left behind”. Our government didn’t follow through. you seem to think that’s ok.

          • sjame

            do you mock the the Navy Seals? “No man left behind”. Our government didn’t follow through. you seem to think that’s ok.
            Wouldn’t want you at my back!

      • sjame

        Five days after the attack, Susan Rice still referred back to the movie…. sorry I don’t buy it and I think she wasn’t alone in trying to dupe the world. Politics and politicians…. a nasty business. It’s been reduced to not what’s good for our country, but what’s good for them. Sorry if you thought I was only finding fault with her…. I don’t have much respect for most of our politicians….. and they haven’t earned it. They are our royalty… they live high on the hog and we pay for it. I’m for 2 terms max for all pols. no lifetime pay and health care just like what they voted for us.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/RFEPMKNCBVGJYV2X7LBNDGRUEY William

      I’m sorry for the people who died in Benghazi, could the 300M taken from security by the Rep Party have anything to do with it? What about all the lies about Iraq and thousands of our young people who died for it, where is your outrage for that?

      • sjame

        Don’t muck it up with other issues. Benghazi happened…. everyone knows that the
        State Dept. was watching it go down…. The big lie about the movie appeared out of no where that very day. Way before Susan Rice re-spewed that junk, we all knew what had gone down. This isn’t about Republicans… it’s about Americans who made bad choices. They should be called on the carpet for their conduct during and after . One thing at a time

    • browninghipower

      Hey moron….did you not read the above article? Or are you just spouting? cutting and pasting?

      • sjame

        feel better?

        • browninghipower

          Of course…but you still refuse to answer my question. Why am I not surprised?

          • sjame

            I never saw your question.

    • Sand_Cat

      As your post and those by MontanaBill and Obozo prove, many of the public are beyond stupid. You can join the Bill and Obozo, and leave normal people alone.

      • sjame

        do you enjoy trying to shut others up by talking down to them?

        • Sand_Cat

          Of course, you NEVER do that. I’m sure you’re shocked, SHOCKED at being insulted for spouting made-up BS in answer to facts. And I’m sure neither I nor anyone else will shut YOU up, and why should they want to: every comment you make supports the opposite of what it tries to say.

          • sjame

            you really are quite opinionated. you are wrong … you can’t insult me… I only respect the opinions of those I respect.
            Benghazi happened…. Americans died… and …. I believe…. other Americans are lying.
            Any other incidents from the past are not on the table.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KOPKDFAUQPIIRAFI3HEXNMSHLQ Ed

    The “media” does not see it’s function as to INFORM. They see their function as “stirrring the pot” AKA creating controversy and keeping it going.

  • ObozoMustGo

    The criticism of Rice is absolutely 100% warranted. She went on national TV on 5 programs and repeated a lie to the American people. She can blame the CIA all she wants, but anyone of you morons that actually believe her comments were NOT approved by Obozo before she went out to make them should immediately have your right to breathe revoked. You’re too stupid to live if you believe that. And Rice is too incompetent to recognize that she places her own credibility on the line when she does not verify FIRST the words that will be coming from her mouth on national TV. That extreme incompetence is why she should never be allowed to be dog catcher, let alone SoS.

    [click image to enlarge] Funny how Obozo defends Rice, but watches Amb. Stevens die.

    Have a nice day!

    “When Obozo called the SEALs, they got Bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obozo, they got denied.” – Navy SEAL’s Facebook posting that was censored and then later uncensored

    “Based on information that we — our initial information — we saw no evidence to back up claims by others that this was a preplanned or premeditated attack; that we saw evidence that it was sparked by the reaction to this video.” – Jay Carney on Sept 17th responding to questions about what caused the Benghazi attacks on our consulate on 9/11, despite email evidence that shows Obozo knew it was a terrorist attack moments after it started.

    • Sand_Cat

      Welcome back, moron! You and Bill should form a mutual admiration society and exchange love notes privately rather than wasting space on a website for sane and reasonably rational people.

    • charleo1

      What you are ignoring, among a wide variety of other considerations, is that to fully inform the American public at the time Ambassador Rice made what she said was a preliminary
      report, would also have informed the faction in Libya. And therefore, as to all you know,
      would have endangered our sources on the ground, about the terrorists. It is well documented, the Right has no qualms in outing covert agents, like Valerie Plame, if it
      suits their purposes. But, I think politicians such as McCain, or Graham, should pick
      on somebody their own size, politically speaking. Instead of using Ms. Rice to fight what
      is clearly a proxy war against the President. One would think after supporting a known
      Neo Con, war monger,John Bolton, to represent us in the UN. Or, support the election
      of a President that promised to elevate Bolton to SOS, if elected. That is, if any Republican
      at this point, still maintains the capacity to be shamed.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Not true, charle. Not true. They knew it was a terrorist attack WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING. They watched it happening from live video feed from inside the compound and from drones above. They knew there was no protest going on outside. Why would there be a protest going on outside of a nondescript compound that was not not marked as an embassy or consulate, becuause it was neither. It was a CIA compound. Look it up. There were no consulates or embassies in Benghazi. Nor should there have been. Did you know that they fly the Al Qaeda flag above official buildings in Benghazi? They do. But that’s besides the point of Rice’s incompetence and the fact that Obozo damned well knew what she was going to say before he sent her out there to the media to lie. The fact that she was able to be used as a patsy for Obozo in spreading the lie is exactly why she is totally incompentent and cannot be SoS.

        Have a nice day!

        “Based on information that we — our initial information — we saw no evidence to back up claims by others that this was a preplanned or premeditated attack; that we saw evidence that it was sparked by the reaction to this video.” – Jay Carney on Sept 17th responding to questions about what caused the Benghazi attacks on our consulate on 9/11, despite email evidence that shows Obozo knew it was a terrorist attack moments after it started.

        • charleo1

          So then you think the American public should be informed about everything?
          No secrets? If the NSA, or CIA know it, they should immediately go on T.V. and
          spill their guts? Isn’t that what you’re saying? If not, none of what you are saying
          makes the least bit of difference. The President gave Rice a message, and told her
          to deliver it. She did. Case closed on competency. And the fact this is nothing more
          than a proxy fight by a few Senators with Obama, is exactly what it is. You go back
          and try to find a single instance where President G.W. Bush, and Condi Rice didn’t
          come out and say the exact same thing. Condi never strayed from the script.
          Mushroom cloud, WMDs. Secretaries of State are the President’s official message
          carriers. It’s not their job to investigate. To draw conclusions, reveal State secrets,
          or set policy. Or, even be completely truthful, and transparent. Besides, this isn’t even
          about Benghazi. It is about the same game Republicans have been engaged in since the
          first day of the Obama Presidency. Oppose. Obstruct. Accuse. Filibuster. Stall,
          at every opportunity. Then howl over the lack of leadership in the White House.
          You’re a bright guy. I’m surprised you haven’t noticed this.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Actually charle, on the topic of Republicans obstructing…. the DemonRATS obstructed literally thousands of Bush appointees to the courts over the course of 8 years. They also obstructed a great deal of legislation that Bush would have gotten through. Things like sorely needed revamps of Medicare and SS. Unfortunately, the DemonRATS did not obstruct Bush’s wild spending and Rx plans. They should have obstructed there, but then again, tell me the last time a DemonRAT obstsructed a spending bill….. crickets…… crickets……. crickets…….. crickets……. thought so.

            The truth is, charle, that we voted for gridlock. In a 2 party system, it is the job of the one party to thwart and stop the agenda of the other. This is how it works, dude. It’s how it’s supposed to work. Don’t you get it? Do you think that if the roles were reversed, which they were, that the DemonRATS should just rubber stamp everything the Repubs want? Of course not. Don’t be childish about this. This is what our republic is supposed to work like.

            One other point… the belief that Saddam had WMD’s was universally agreed to by both parties here in the US and by every major country in the world, including even the pussies in France. Even Russia agreed and their intelligence said they had WMDs. Google “Democrats that supported invasion of Iraq”. You will find hundreds of quotes by DemonRATS, even from when Willie was Prez, where they discuss Saddam’s posession of WMDs. It’s all there for you to see. This was not just Bush lying to create a war. That’s preposterous, and you know it.

            Regarding Benghazi… at least you admit that it was Obozo that told Rice to go out and lie about the video. There was NOT ONE SINGLE REASON that they should have covered up the terrorist attack on the compound. Not one! Unless of course they are hiding something bigger than that. I am telling you that Obozo has been supplying American heavy weapons to Al Qaeda and other terror organizations in their fights against Khadafi last year and Assad in Syria today. Ambassador Stevens was the guy that was brokering those weapons. This is the cover up. And Americans deserve to know the truth when our president is arming our enemies. This is worthy of investigation. But where is ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSLSD, NYT, WashPo, etc. etc.? crickets……. crickets……… crickets……… crickets…….. You know for a fact, and don’t lie for a second, charle, that if Obozo had an “R” after his name, there would be a relentless a vicious pursuit of the truth behind the incident. And I would support that. Compare this to Watergate where a couple of 2 bit hacks were trying to steal campaign strategy documents. Not really a big deal, in the grand scheme of things. But it was important because the President tried to cover it up. That’s the problem. Both sides of the aisle can be corrupt. We as Americans should not tolerate it from either side. And you should recognize and want the opposition in this country. Any country where the leaders don’t have opposition, that’s where you have dictators and tyrants. Do you understand this? If you are objective and fair minded only a little bit, you will agree with me.

            Have a nice day, charle. Go0d discussion. Thanks.

            “The tyranny of a prince in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy.” – Charles de Montesquieu

          • charleo1

            Oh please! Enough with the conspiracies. You don’t like Obama. But don’t lower yourself
            by buying in on every internet tale that comes along. Obama is a moderate Democrat.
            Not a Socialist, or we would have single payer health insurance. Not a dove, or the
            Afghan war would be over. And the drone program in Pakistan, Yeoman, Somalia,
            and God knows where all, would be ended. And also I noticed you haven’t examined
            the Iraqi War very well. Or, the selective information fed the public to start the invasion
            to begin with. The phony cost analysis. The faulty assessment of the Iraqi people’s
            reaction to the invasion. The failure to see the sectarian violence, and civil war. Or.
            the loss of the oil contracts, and the friendly ally of Iran, that we made possible. Or,
            our eventual 8 trillion dollar, “investment,” to rebuild a military, and take care of the
            more than, 30,000 wounded as a result of that war. That is no theory. That is what
            we got the last time the voters trusted a Republican in the White House. And I’m a
            moron? Okay. But when the Country becomes the absolute train wreck it was before
            this President, you don’t like, came into office. But, until it does, you really haven’t
            got much of a leg to stand on.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Charle… I noticed you did not address my statements on the need for opposition to keep the other side honest. And the fact that their purpose IS to thwart the agenda of the other side. I suppose you agree with me on that. That’s fine. Consider that matter settled.

            Next, the cost of the Iraq and Afghan wars from start until today under Obozo has been not even remotely $8 Trillion. The Iraq war cost was officially stated at $800 Billion. Others like to inflate that cost by adding lots of other factors to the equation to pump it up. But the reality is that the pentagon budgets are the only objective way to debate the question. For example, if a soldier twisted his knee in Iraq in 2006, then got out of the war and 30 years later needs a knee replacement, it’s not really fair to say that will be a cost of the war, now is it? No. It’s not. But the numbers I have seen that blow the cost into 3, 4, 5, 6 Trillion involve faulty hypothetical garbage like that in them. It’s stupid.

            It’s funny how you wrote this response to me yesterday and in today’s NY Times there is an article about the US supplying arms to ” radical islamists” (meaning terrorists) in Libya and Syria. I won’t reprint my post here, but if you go to the main article today “Suddenly, America’s Top…..” you will see that I reposted a summary of that article from a site called Political Outcast. You should go find it in the NY Times. I’ve been telling you leftist freaks for a long time that Obozo is covering up Benghazi because he’s covering up his arms dealing with terrorists. Now it’s coming out.

            Let’s address this “conspiracy” thing as rational adults. You see, “conspiracy” has been given a bad connotation as a means of ridiculing anyone that sees a back channel plot behind certain events. Here’s the truth about the word. If you and I secretly agree that we are going out for beers, but we don’t want our other buddy to know about it, that’s a conspiracy, by definition. Conspiracies happen all of the time in all walks of life, including in politics. Politicians conspire to effect outcomes in all sorts of ways, including geopolitical ones. So to say stop the “conspiracy crap” when in fact all we are doing is seeking answers to legitimate questions that arise out of the facts of a situation that everyone on planet earth knows to have occurred. This is not wild conspiracy thinking. It’s questioning the evidence and wondering why we were lied to for a month by the President? Why did he not send back ups to help fight when they were under attack for 8.5 hours? Why did he tell the military to stand down? What was Stevens doing at a CIA compound meeting with the Turkish ambassador? What has happened to all of the arms we gave the rebels in Libya? Arent those rebels Al Qaeda people? How are American arms making their way onto the streets of Syria with the rebels (Al Qaeda) there? These are questions Americans deserve answers to, but the media is ignoring them and Obozo is blowing the situation off.

            All that being said, you should begin to be a little worried when you start hearing Obozo making statements about a middle eastern country having WMD’s and warning them not to use them. Sounds to me like he’s following Bush’s footsteps. What do we hear from all of you leftist freaks when Obozo is making these claims? crickets……….. crickets………… crickets…………. crickets…………. Funny thing about these claims is that not even the Syrian rebels believe Assad has or would use chemical weapons. They know that Obozo is just lying to get the US involved in another war. You watch, it’s coming down the pipe. And where are you hypocrites today? Remaining silent like dutiful little Obozo zombies.

            I will tell you today that the whole “Syrian WMD” issue is phony, but Obozo will pursue it to the point where he announces that America will be arming the rebels and leading from behind again. Once people know this, then he will have successfully covered his tracks from Benghazi where he’s been supplying the terrorsts with weapons for a long time already. Then Obozo apologists can say “we knew he was helping the rebels” and will defend him yet again. This is a hunch I have. We’ll see how it turns out. I’ve been wrong about other predictions recently, too. :-) :-)

            Have a nice day, Charle!

            “When Obozo called the SEALs, they got Bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obozo, they got denied.” – Navy SEAL’s Facebook posting that was censored and then later uncensored

  • montanabill

    Susan Rice, supposedly a very smart person who had access to the real truth about the Benghazi attack, got on, not just one, but five news programs to tell a deliberately false story. The same false story that her boss would tell for a couple of weeks afterward. If the left would rather point to some other person at some other time with absolutely no relevance to this situation, that is telling. If you can’t confront one of your own when they do something totally inappropriate for purely political reasons, don’t ever expect the other party to do it either. Most of these responses sound like the reason I gave to my father when he caught me throwing an apple at my brother, “Well, he threw one at me last year!” It didn’t work for me and it won’t work for Susan.

    • Sand_Cat

      Give it up, Bill. We can all see you have a cranial-rectal inversion which gets worse with every post, plus it appears you have some difficulty with the truth.

      • montanabill

        So tell me the ‘truth’. That she didn’t know it was an al qaeda related attack. That she simply didn’t know any more than the talking points she was given. That she didn’t think it was worthwhile to question those talking points when, clearly, other responsible people were saying otherwise. That it was ok to lie, because it was the President’s approved story. Tell me your truth.

        • ObozoMustGo

          Hey Montana. Merry Christmas, my friend. I see you’re still here in the trenches with me. Grab a gun. I have extras, and start firing. We are under siege with stupid grenades over this Rice thing. These people are nothing more than Obozo zombies. Ive’ said it once. I’ve said it a thousand times. I’ll say it again. These people would defend nad support Obozo even if he was caught on tape having sex with children. Then the outcry would be how we are discriminating against a man’s private behavior and we are obsessed with sex, sex, sex. I am convinced that I am correct about this. None of them have ever disputed me when I have posted it. I find their silence disturbing.

          Have a great day, Montana!

          “It is not the young people that degenerate; they are not spoiled till those of mature age are already sunk into corruption.” – Charles de Montesquieu

          • montanabill

            Merry Christmas to you! Too many times you are right about the closed minds, but every once in awhile I can get into a dialog that will at least make that person consider that there might be other answers and other valid points of view. Just breaking through the Kool-Aid can be the start of an iceberg breaking down.

          • ObozoMustGo

            That’s why we fight the good fight, Montana. :-)

            Have a great day!

            “Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated failures. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.” – Calvin Coolidge

    • charleo1

      No President can ever be totally forthcoming. Remember Eisenhower, and the U2
      shoot down? The Soviets led him to believe the pilot Gary Powers was dead. Did
      Ike, an honest man, immediately level with the American Public? No. He lied.
      Was it a lie to cover up a misdeed? No. It was at worst a lie to cover up a miscalculation.
      We didn’t think the Russians could hit a target as high as the spy plane could fly.
      But, his Secretary of State didn’t get on the T.V. and contradict Ike. You need to understand
      a few things about how the business of Countries is conducted. Not just ours. Every Country. This is a stupid fight. Probably about a Massachusetts Senate seat.
      But not about Benghazi, or embassy security, or the competency of a well educated
      experienced diplomat, being up to the job. It’s just the same petty politics, the Country
      seems to be getting pretty fed up with. If the Country wanted someone to be SOS
      other than the one Obama nominated, they would have elected Romney. Don’t you thunk?

      • montanabill

        Another example of pointing to something else instead addressing the real issue.

        This was no more and no less than a supposedly to be trusted government spokesperson lying to the American public in a very deliberate fashion.

        • charleo1

          Then, it would be up the Party of opposition to pick this battle with the
          heads of the NSA, CIA, and the President. They are the authors of the
          statement she was handed. By picking on Rice, the Republicans are playing into a well earned perception they have for bullying, because they are too yellow to take on anyone that has the capacity to strike them back.
          They look gutless, small. Afraid to take on a President that just trounced
          them at the polls. Unwilling to speak badly of or impugn General Petraeus,
          (maybe a Republican Presidential hopeful,) But, decide to look muscular
          by pushing around a woman, an African American woman, at that. Who, by the way, had zero to do with the attack, the security, or lack of it, or the
          message she delivered. And you’re going to tell me, you back ‘em 100%?
          Republicans have a problem. And they’re blind as bats as to the reason
          more, and more they are seen as willing to go to any lengths to protect
          and promote the powerful, at the expense of everyone else. That they have
          lost their moral compass. Or, find fairness is too heavy a burden to carry,
          along with all the water they constantly seem to be carrying for some connected fat cat, with lots of cash to dole out. Even this fight over Susan
          Rice has it’s roots in Party politics. The only logical reason they care who
          Obama may, or may not nominate as SOS. So, who wrote their lying
          message? Maybe we should start to question the ability of Graham, and
          McCain to carry out their jobs. Or just decide the Right is too corrupt,
          and badly led right now, to entrust with the People’s business.

          • montanabill

            Actually, absolutely no one would be picking on Susan Rice right now if Obama hadn’t signaled that he was considering her for Secretary of State. That immediately put her in the spotlight and generates the question: ‘if she is willing to tell us bald faced lies on national television, who will trust her?

            The rest of your rant is noise.

          • charleo1

            I will trust her. Because, like most Americans, I trust the President. (He won the last election.) Who, since he did, and since he is the President, he gets to pick his team. That’s
            the way everyone used to look at elections. As, you know, actually representing the
            will of the People. I’m just sure the loser of this last election, if he had won, would
            be picking his SOS. But see, he didn’t. That’s how I thought it worked. How about
            you? You want Liberal, Commie Democrat, picking the SOS for the Republican President?
            No. I would think not. So why do Republicans, not exactly known for their great
            diplomacy anyway, think they get to pick the SOS? It seems to me, the Senators so
            interested in doing the President’s job, would in their spare time do something constructive
            about the economy. It’s okay. They lost the election, so why keep trying to sink the economy
            now? Unless their plan is to drag the recession out to win in 2016.

          • montanabill

            Well, I differ. I do not trust the President. His own speeches give me ample reason. And I do not trust any person of any party who will deliberately lie to us, which is exactly what Susan Rice did. Worse, she did it for purely political reasons.
            Fortunately for the country, our founders set up a system that required confirmation of Presidential appointees. It was not just invented to thwart President Obama. Although he did try to circumvent the system with his ‘czars’. Which, I might add, if GWB had attempted you would be apoplectic about.
            If you know so little about economics that you think Obama has any plan to change things, you need some education in the real world of capitalism.

          • charleo1

            Do you know the first President who had a Czar? And, do you know who he was or
            what he did? There is no real world of Capitalism. However, if there was one, it would
            look kinda like Somalia. Impoverished population. Ruled by powerful individuals.
            Accountable to no one. No taxes, regulations, or central government. Sounds like
            T-Party heaven to me.

          • montanabill

            All depends on your definition of ‘czar’, but assuming those are administrative appointments without confirmation, it was Franklin Roosevelt. But no one has appointed more than Obama.

            Actually, pure capitalism looked more the U.S. in late 1800′s. However, the strength and position in this world of the U.S. were created by capitalism, not by socialism or fascism. We refer to it as the American Dream, where anyone of any circumstance has the freedom to pursue their dreams. Big government with its emphasis on bureaucracy, regulation and taxation will be the ultimate killer of the American Dream. It is harder to succeed today than it was 10 years ago. And 10 years ago, it was harder to succeed than 20 years ago. Each year of ever larger government, in all forms, is slowing and crippling the American Dream.

          • charleo1

            Actually, the term, “czar,” is a label invented by the press. And G.W. Bush holds the
            record for the most czars. It’s hard to make these kind of factual points with the Right.
            It’s a much easier sell for Glenn Beck. What he does, is just make up his own facts that
            seem to support what his listeners already believe. But he is not alone of course. Politicians
            often repeat what they’ve heard. Kay Bailey Hutchinson was one such politician making
            the error. But, their assertions are often checked, as was hers by, “Politifact.” (They gave
            the record number to President Bush.) But it sounds ominous, and plays well, if the goal
            is to frighten people about a very different looking President, with a strange sounding
            name, and out of the ordinary childhood. It seems with Obama, a person’s age, race,
            and part of the Country they grew up in, determines whether or not they trust the man.
            More so than any facts. I will say, the fabrications surrounding Barack Obama have been
            the most outrageous. From a famous preacher talking about his, “Muslim Seed,” to a
            famous, publicity loving T.V. millionaire reality show, Star. Who was sending his top
            men to get to the bottom of how this least likely, Kenyan born interloper, managed to
            become President of the most powerful, informationally, sophisticated Country in the
            world. I do believe the reelection of Obama was determined as much in the wholesale
            rejection of the nuttiness, combined with the tacit approval of it, by the more formal,
            Republican elite. By at least as much as any discussion concerning debt, security, or the economy. Serious times call for serious people. Not cloak, and dagger conspiracy theorists.
            Or, charming former, pizza franchise CEOs. Would be Evangelical, Social Authoritarians,
            Pill popping Governors, threatening the head of the Federal Reserve. Or, a rich, former
            pol, hawking his latest book, while mocking food stamp recipients, in the middle of a
            deep recession? Really? Now, unable to win the White House, they want to run it from the Senate. I think I liked Richard Nixon better than any Republican since.

          • montanabill

            You are incorrect. Under your definition of ‘czar’, GWB appointed 33 and Obama 38.

          • charleo1

            That’s fine. I’ll stand corrected on the point. But putting the issue in perspective is the
            larger point here. The czar issue is only one of a multitude of vacuous indictments produced
            by the Right Wing message machine, in the fervent hope that some issue will stick. All the
            while warning the audience that most of the press is covering for Obama. So don’t expect
            to be able to verify these charges we’re making by other sources. So, the default position
            becomes to accept any charge as fact, unless proven false later on by us. It boarders on,
            if not actually qualifying as propaganda. And so the czar issue becomes not that Obama
            is turning the U.S. into Russia, but something that all chief executives have been doing
            for quite sometime now. And definitely not a secret Bolshevik, plot. So, the issue was
            politicized. Big deal, right? The Left does it all the time too. But the real casualty here is
            the truth. And there should be more of a down side to mischaracterizing, or just out, and
            lying about an issue. It seems to me, the people are really not so divided as to what they
            would prefer to see happen. However, each side is coming to the table with two very different set of facts much of the time, with no final arbiter. And this makes coming to
            any consensus on any issue, be it czars, or the way we decide to change or not, the way
            we deliver, and receive healthcare. Or, if climate change is natural, or manmade, and if
            manmade, what are we prepared to do about it?

          • montanabill

            There was also a lot of charges by the ‘Right Wing message machine’ that were on target and ignored. For example, Obama’s associations.
            Fixing climate change? Until the world is ready to do something really radical about population control, no amount taxing, gnashing of teeth, green energy or anything else will make any difference to the ultimate outcome.

        • Lafollette

          So Saddam Hussain actually had the makings of a mushroom cloud?

          • montanabill

            He had the makings of poison gas and proved it. Were you so smart that you could analyze the personality of Saddam, look at the physical evidence and then conclude without a doubt, that he wasn’t pursuing a bomb? All he had to do was let inspectors do their job. If he wasn’t pursuing a bomb, why the obfuscation?

  • frigate

    She is a poor candidate, but not for the reasons Republicans give. Its time to name some genuine liberals, no more conservative or neoliberal sellouts.

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