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Tuesday, July 17, 2018

It’s true. Some people still believe being gay is a choice.

Those who oppose equal rights for gays and lesbians often justify their stance by suggesting that being gay is a “lifestyle choice” (and a sinful one at that). This is an argument that requires assuming someone would choose a lifestyle that has historically doomed an individual to hostility, alienation, legal discrimination and violence.

But still many on the right further the myth that sexuality is something we choose by suggesting that being gay can be “cured” or that depictions of homosexuality would lead to more homosexuality, making it obviously more potent than heterosexuality, which is depicted everywhere.

This is such a flawed belief that it can be crushed with one question: When did you decide to be straight?

Just watch it happen in the video above.

And even if it were a choice (it’s not), the belief that it’s sinful resides for most people in the way they’ve been taught the Bible. The helpful chart above can show you why that belief, too, is silly.

GayChart

H/T: Upworthy

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48 Responses to Think Being Gay Is A Choice, When Did You Decide To Be Straight?

  1. People are born straight and something in their life happen such as a sex encounter with someone of the same sex, when they were young, and it stays in their mind because that’s the only way someone can choose to be Gay. No one chooses to be straight because all humans are born straight ( to conceive babies) and that’s the normal way to keep life on earth. If everyone was Gay and no want wanted to donate their sperm the World would come to an end because of everyone choosing to be Gay. Men can’t have babies and women can’t make babies on their own unless they use sperm from men, and what would happen, if men decide we won’t donate anymore since they can’t have babies of their own?

    • If gestation and heredity ALWAYS operated perfectly, there would never be any birth defects, and there would never be any evolution either (and regardless of whether you believe evolution happened in the past, it does happen in the present, as proven by MRSA and other “untouchable” germs). You and I were born straight, but somewhere around 3 to 5 percent of people (it is hard to get exact figures here, for obvious reasons) are gay, and report being sure they were gay as pre-schoolers, AND have physical differences in their brains which are visible on fMRI scans, AND (in the case of males) are statistically likelier to have a different pattern of finger lengths on each hand than straights (I can see you checking your fingers).

      Normal does not mean universal. Even among animals, what would be called gay behavior in humans has been observed (for a laugh, watch the movie Legally Blonde 2; it’s not really evidence, but it is a funny movie, especially if you love dogs). There are occasions in animals where the acts are intended to show DOMINANCE and SUBMISSION in the heirarchy (among hyenas the females are endowed with an enlarged clitoris, which is used by the alpha females to simulate mating with lower status females as a dominance display), or for pure pleasure as in bonobos, also called pygmy chimps, and both of these are found in humans as well (most man-on-man rape in the prison population, for example, is brutalization to show power over others, and is committed by men who would consider themselves straight in the free population). THESE REASONS for homosexual acts are what the Bible condemns, along with “fashionable” bisexuality as practiced by ancient Greek aristocrats, and ANY sexual acting out associated with RELIGIOUS LITURGY, which was common in the OTHER religions of the area.

      As far as we know, the Biblical writers did not know about, and thus could neither condemn nor endorse, the attachment that members of this NATURAL minority feel for one another when they fall in love. Given the general tone of the message of Jesus, however, being one of love, compassion and forgiveness, with the greatest moral outrage being against precisely the actions that do not show love, compassion and forgiveness (but instead power and domination), a reasonable guess would be that Jesus would bless those unions motivated by true love, but would not bless ANY union, even heterosexual, motivated by dominance and sense of ownership.

      Unfortunately, this generation of humanity is on the verge of destroying the planet by overpopulation and overuse of its resources. There is no need to overbreed, so gay people not breeding are part of the solution (besides, if being gay is a sin because of not breeding, what about the Catholic clergy?) while families like the Duggers on cable TV are part of the problem.

      • They can be what they want to be and to me I don’t deny them that right since it’s their life. May they get what they want and no one should say they aren’t humans because all of us are born humans.

        • tax payer, I appreciate your tolerance and acceptance of homosexuality, but once again I need to point out that it is not a matter of “what they want to be…” but what and who they are. It is not a choice.

          • As you know people think others aren’t the same as them, but they seem to forget everyone is different even twins. One can be skinny and the other one can be skinny too, but a darker color.

          • True. In fact, that is one of the factors that led to researchers discovering the epigenetic factors involved in homosexuality.

          • Homosexuals are mistakes of nature, an error in the genome that give a male who has male genitalia and male physiology, or a female who has female genitalia and female physiology opposite instincts of their true sexuality. It is unnatural compared to the overall intent of nature, really abnormal. It could be comparable to a mental illness, a severe psychosis where their sexualities are crossed and confused. It is not their fault for being born that way. They got a raw deal from nature, or some deficiency from their parents in gestation, but beside that, they’re queer and they’re here.

    • Sorry, not true. The latest research places homosexuality in the epigenome. You are born a homosexual. Homosexuality is present in many (most?) species, and it is about as frequent in humans (worldwide, by the way) as it is in other primates.

      • They are born human, so they have the right to be what they feel is the right thing to be in their one time life. I respect them for that and no one should try to change them for what they have become since they chose it by accepting it.

      • Your mis-informed, and stupid theory was disproved in 2008, put a little more effort into your Google searches dude.
        Don’t make me have to return to share a link to wiki.

      • We are all born into sin shape into iniquity. So all the murders was born to kill. All the thieves was born to steal, All cheaters was born to cheat. All liars was born to lie. Men mate with men= produces nothing, Sorry!!!!

        • You certainly are entitled to your own opinion, but your opinion is not the same as fact. Of that resource, along with compassion and understanding, I am afraid you are bereft.

    • Incorrect, tax payer, females do not need males to have babies. Of course, their children shall be female. The term for this is parthenogenesis.

      • They need sperm from men because last I heard no one has come out with artificial semen, so they do need something from men. If everyone was sterile life would cease, when the last person on earth dies.

        • Nope, tax payer, sperm is not needed for reproduction by many species and is somewhat common with lizards and salamanders. There is no scientific reason to believe that humans are not capable of doing the same.

          • Species yes and in our lifetime it won’t happen, so women have to depend on men to give them some needed semen. I would be a millionaire, if I could invent artificial semen, but it would cost them $100,000.00 or more to be able to use my product.

          • Don’t be so sure about it never happening in your lifetime. When my father was born everyone knew that it was impossible to fly except with a balloon. Oddly enough, artificial semen does not seem to be needed in the laboratory to achieve parthenogenesis in a mammal but they used the eggs from 2 females. In the animal kingdom parthenogenesis occurs without any help from mankind and seems to be triggered when there are no males available so the females reproduce on their own.

          • They ( some mammals ) were born that way to be able to reproduce without any males, but in humans ( women ) it’s something else. It hasn’t happen yet, so it’s not a reality for now. You sound like you know what you are talking about, so maybe it will happen and maybe not.

          • Natural extinction cease that point on parthenogenesis, and besides, parthenogenesis weakens mammalian species and they too are evolved to be sterile. That doesn’t apply to humans, though. Look what inbreeding causes in humans, let alone parthenogenesis, individuals like lana ward, bozo, and the like. Many species of animals are on the brink of extinction because of their unwillingness to mate or because there are not many males of that species to fertilize eggs. There’s a species of turtle that is going extinct, and with no nales available to fertilize her eggs, they are biologists are searching for the closest living relative of the species to continue her species. The same was done to the buffalo. Parthenogenesis was tried but abandoned.

          • Well, Robert, you certainly have a strange outlook that parthenogenesis leads to extinction since parthenogenesis is exactly what a number of species naturally resort to in order to survive when there are no males available. Of course, in some species some of the females turn into males to carry on. By the way, those species have been in existence for a far longer time than humans have existed.

          • I didn’t say that pathenogenesis leads to extinction. You have it twisted. Pathenogenesis is a reality, but in the case of humans it never worked. It has been tried and failed in many species, and those that were successful were sterile, deformed, or died at birth. It proves the saying: It’s not good to play with Mother Nature. When pathenogenesis fails, they manually fertilize many, many species. You’re confusing frogs, lizards, and fish with mammals, man. that’s that neo-Confederate Tea bag joke about a woman’s ability to zap an unwanted pregnancy with her own body! Now, in the case of hermaphrodites who are born with male/female genitalia, is it correct to tell them “Go fuck yourself”? It would be easy for a hermaphrodite to impregnate himself, but the problem is, they are not born with wombs! They are mistakes of nature, aberrations that are not intended to be.

          • No, you did not directly say that parthenogenesis leads to extinction BUT you did state that it led to deformed sterile progeny which certainly sounds like extinction to me. Of course, humans resulting from the female egg being fertilized by male sperm also often end up being deformed or sterile.

            All you have to do is look around at all the species that have survived for centuries through parthenogenesis to realize that it is a natural process. Various creatures such as lizards, geckos, and even Komodo Dragons have given birth to viable offspring via natural parthenogenesis (no scientists involved). In addition I would like to mention that a number of species are able to change sex such as Clown Fish and Sheepheads are all born as males and one of a pair shall change into a female to mate (sex change is actually somewhat common in water living creatures) and there are even fish that change back and forth between male and female.

            Just because something is not possible today for humans does not mean that it shall always be impossible and we males had better watch our step because someday the females just MIGHT decide our presence is no longer worth the irritation.

  2. Thanks for the video. It does make some people look like idiots when the question is thrown back at them. When did you decide to become straight?

    • The video is there because they want to find out what others think and when you are caught off guard it takes time to respond to a question that makes no sense what-so-ever.

    • God created everyone straight. To change his will is a decision of sin. Everyone who defies this is shaking their fist in the face of God.

      • To use ones own opinion to tell god what he meant seems the ultimate act of arrogance.

        Besides, your opinion does not trump fact. Not everyone is born straight. I repeat again, homosexuality is not a choice.

        • Wouldn’t it seem that if you’re born male or female, but are instinctually a female (for males) and instinctually a male (for females), had nature made the mistake? God doesn’t make mistakes, but nature has made many mistakes. So if gays and lesbians are born that way, when they are really born male or female, then they are nature’s mistake. Some would say “freaks of nature”, but out of respect, I prefer to say mistake.

          • Actually, it’s a hormone imbalance, and can be solved simply by taking hormone meds, testosterone helps with men too.

            And, homosexuality is clearly wrong, but there are worse things you can do. It’s disgusting, but if you repent, then you are forgiven anyways.

            To people who say “it’s fine”, read the Bible all the way through.

        • You have been warned.

          ROMANS: Chapter 1

          God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

          18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

          21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

          24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

          26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

          28Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

        • Sorry being gay is a choice, it’s sinful, abomination to God, and mockery to your mother your father & to women, and if you don’t repent and change your lifestyle you will surely die and spend eternity in hell. We didn’t have to choose to be straight God made men and women to multiply. Men & men can not Women & women can not……..Let God be True and every man a Liar…………….

          • Sorry, your saying it again still doesn’t make it true, Rachel

            If you insist on using your own interpretations of the bible, then please go back and read Matthew 7:4-5, then go and pay very clear attention to Matthew 7:2

    • But this whole topic doesn’t take into consideration epigenetics or other environmental/developmental situations that could make it NOT a choice but also not a natural development either. There is actually a grey area. Those that say it’s a flat out choice are wrong because clearly it’s not and those that say it is not a choice have no proof of that. Many of the studies done have been with twins – which are obviously not reflective of a total populace – or small sample sizes. The burden of proof that it’s genetics or you’re “born that way” rests upon those that argue it. Unfortunately, at this time, there is inconvlusive evidence that this is the case. There are other developments from epigenetics that one consider’s “defective” and not “natural” but also not a choice. That doesn’t mean we don’t help those suffering from it either. Being gay however seems to have raised itself above this designation – if it is in fact unnatural. Biologically it’s obviously incompatible as well. Hard to deny that as well. So really there is a lot of grey area here. I think what this video shows is that it’s an extremely divisive on a topic that isn’t close to being settled scientifically. Which, to point out, is where I approach this from. No religion is being involved here. Pure, rational thought. I have no qualms with gays wanting rights or those wishing to distance themselves from something they see as an abomination. What I have a qualm with is this video validating for some that they are “right” when in fact no one is yet.

      • That’s the problem people want to rationalize something has has clearly be spoken against in the word of God it’s abominable. Help them by preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ that they may receive the Holy Ghost to change their life.

  3. Halla-fuckin-lujah! A simple chart that clearly demonstrates the error of conservative Biblical thinking. However, I am certain conservatives will NOT accept this as any kind of proof that Homosexuality is NOT a choice. The most compelling part of the above argument is “When did you decide to become straight?” IF homosexuality is a choice, this is an obvious question, which conservatives cannot effectively answer, for the simple reason that homosexuality is NOT a choice and therefore does not present an alternative. Unfortunately, logic is NOT a strong suit for conservatives.

    • It’s a choice. Anything you do is a choice. Just like anything else.
      Whether you go to bed is a choice, whether you have children is a choice, etc.
      I have met more homosexuals then you ever will, and I can tell you, even they know it’s a choice. Only the stupid, or guilty feeling ones say otherwise (excuses).

      • Oh, so you had a choice as to being male (or female)? You had a choice as to your hair color? Your blood type? Your likelihood of contracting lupus, sickle cell anemia, breast cancer? Would you tell someone who is dying of breast cancer that it is due to their “choice”?

        Mitch, it is not that simple. Even your “choices” are governed by your genetics. I’m glad you have done your research by “meeting homosexuals”, but your anecdotal and bias confirming “research” doesn’t trump the actual science done on the issue.

        • But this whole topic doesn’t take into consideration epigenetics or other environmental/developmental situations that could make it NOT a choice but also not a natural development either. There is actually a grey area. Those that say it’s a flat out choice are wrong because clearly it’s not and those that say it is not a choice have no proof of that. I think what this video shows is that it’s extremely divisive on a topic that isn’t close to being settled scientifically. Which, to point out, is where I approach this from. No religion is being involved here. Pure, rational thought. I have no qualms with gays wanting rights or those wishing to distance themselves from something they see as an abomination. What I have a qualm with is this video validating for some that they are “right” when in fact no one is yet.

      • You are right when you say that Everything you DO is a choice. However, as we have learned over the past three or four decades, everything you ARE is NOT a choice. Homosexuality has been linked to so many genetic factors that to REASONABLE people it should be apparent that it is definitely NOT a choice. The fact that many of homosexuals you have met feel that what they are doing is a choice merely confirms the reality of the vilification they have been subjected to. The gay community has, since Biblical times, been reviled and excoriated for their “choices” – I am sure you recall the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. However, let me ask you a question as simple as the one posed by the article – what reasonable person would choose to be a homosexual knowing what awaited him because of that choice? Only idiots like Michele Bachman’s husband who think they can pray away the gay are actually convinced this is a choice. Your gay friends who believe it is a choice are wracked with guilt because they are denying who they really are in order to assuage an unthinking and cruel society.

      • And your mouth is strictly reserved for speaking and consumption of food and drink? And sex is reserved ONLY for procreation? Anal sex is practiced quite broadly in the privacy of the bedrooms of many heterosexuals. And were sex per se reserved ONLY for acts of procreation, there would be a LOT of frustrated men AND women in the world.

  4. I chose to be straight because I didn’t want anything going into my ass. I also chose to be straight because I really do like women and I don’t have that same feeling for men.

  5. “So when did you decide NOT to poke a pencil in your eye”?

    “Um….well I….uh….mmmm…I guess I never did….I just never thought about it”

    “So do you think it is the same for those who decide to poke pencils in their eye?”

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