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Monday, February 18, 2019

This article originally appeared in USA Today.

Liberals who want to punish Trump voters need to get in line behind President Trump and the GOP.

The American Health Care Act introduced by House Republicans last week and swiftly endorsed by the White House appears to have been designed to hurt Trump voters — at least the vast majority of them who are older, live in rural areas and take in less than $250,000 a year in investment income.

Those who have the most to lose in tax credits to help buy insurance are most likely to have been Trump supporters, according to TheNew York Times. And the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities finds that 11 of the 11 states with residents who will see their credits shrunk on average by half or more went for Trump in November.

The health bill’s $883 billion in tax breaks, meanwhile, are targeted at the rich and corporations — which just happen to be disproportionately concentrated in blue states like California and New York that went massively against Trump. “It’s a very sad transfer of wealth,” says House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, from red states to blue ones.

Many on the left can’t help cheering for this supersized serving of just desserts to Trump’s chumps.

Liberals knew that once you got past Trump’s promises to smite all enemies with deportations, bombings and a stern government-mandated “Merry Christmas,” his agenda was basically House Speaker Paul Ryan’s Billionaires Fan Club plan for dealing with the worst crises of our time — income inequality and climate change — by making them worse, stat.

From robbing low-wage workers of new overtime pay protections to “devastating” cuts to Great Lakes restoration to deporting the one immigrant your town really likes, the outcomes of Trump’s “monumental fraud” were so predictable that to act otherwise offends liberals through their kale-enriched bones.

To liberals, Trump’s obvious racism, misogyny and general contempt for everyone but Fox & Friends viewers made him unacceptable. “Not all Trump supporters are racist, but all of them decided that racism isn’t a deal-breaker,” Charles Gaba tweeted. “End of story.”

The self-alleged billionaire’s approach to racial instigation had much in common with the right’s tradition of scapegoating “welfare queens” and the “47%.” But an important difference made it even more infuriating to the left.

“Donald Trump gave up on hiding the racial message from his critics and his opponents,” Ian Haney-López, author of Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class, told Duke University’s Policy 360. “Nevertheless, I’d say, he continued to use racial messages — or coded formats for his racial messages — in ways that hid the racism of the underlying narrative from the base he was trying to mobilize.”

If you’re a liberal, the idea that there’s anything “coded” about implying millions of Mexicans are “rapists and drug dealers” probably makes you want to beat up your James Comey doll. But Trump never proclaimed that his campaign was about advancing the rights of “European-Americans,” as former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke did in his failed 2016 Senate race in Louisiana. Nor did Trump ever tweet, as Iowa Rep. Steve King did this week, that “We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies.”

Trump’s appeal is much broader. Cognitive scientist George Lakoff has spent decades studying how conservatives have won by nurturing a worldview of a powerful authority enforcing discipline through strength. Last summer, he tried to warn Democrats that Trump — despite a near total ignorance of conservative policy — was appealing to Republicans across the spectrum as well as to union workers who believe in “traditional family values” in their private lives.

“It’s about Strict Father Morality, which entails the racism, and not just the racism, but the Islamophobia and the idea that in 21 states teachers and coaches can beat students with sticks if they don’t show total respect,” Lakoff told me.

Trump is a minority president. Democrats can probably win the presidency again without winning Trump voters by swaying third-party backers and turning out Democrats who stayed home last November. But they’ll never be able to govern effectively without winning over red areas.

The broken promises of Trumpism offer a way forward. “A Strict Father cannot be a betrayer of trust,” Lakoff writes. By empathizing with the plight of poor Trump voters and emphasizing Trump’s growing list of betrayals, the left can begin to whittle away at Trump’s stubborn support. And that would be the best revenge.

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93 responses to “Trump And GOP Have It In For Their Own Voters”

    • ray says:

      The lizard is mad poor baby,that’s what you get for voting for Trump.

    • ⚡️ I Am Helpy ⚡️ says:

      “It’s not true that I’m so stupid I support putting myself permanently out of work!”
      – you, a guy so stupid he supports putting himself permanently out of work

    • PrecipitousDrop says:

      Uh-oh. The-Tiny-Japanese-Man-In-A-Lizard-Suit’s gonna lose his job at the garden store for stealing their sign — again.
      That’s six jobs he’s lost since November 8th.
      Good thing for him, there’s welfare.

      • FireBaron says:

        Drop, don’tcha know that ‘Zilla doesn’t have to worry about stuff like that? He still lives in his mommy’s basement and she fixes him cans of spaghettios.

    • Budjob says:

      Having delusions of intelligence again are you?

      • idamag says:

        The high school football player with the shortest distance from his hairline to his eyebrows I have ever seen. Then, I saw a picture of the movie godzilla and I can see the resemblance.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      Why not post that in your native tongue? Russian?

  1. Lynda Groom says:

    I wish that I could screw up a little sympathy for these folks, but it is difficult to feel empathy for folks who vote against their own self-interest. Look to Kansas for guidance. The GOP does not now, or has ever, given two figs for the plight of the working poor in coal country, or anywhere else for that matter. Oh yeah, they sing all the right notes at election time, point fingers at the opposition and sell the rubes yet another truck load of agenda driven drivel. Fear, hate and distrust work….thats why Trump and alike use it so much.

    • mike says:

      Bravo Sierra!

      • Thoughtopsy says:

        Great point, tiny “mike”.
        You really knocked that one out of the park.
        I’m always freshly amazed at how cogent and specific your rebuttal of other people’s poin…
        Wait a minute.
        Nope, you’re still a baseless, willfully ignorant moron.

        • mike says:

          Quite frankly she too has her head up her a$$ much like you with her silly remarks. Only in your mental midget mind do you agree with her asinine post.
          Thanks for another good laugh.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            And the MIkeeeeee Mental Midget is off and running with his Trump Style Motor mouth. Prove what you posted or stop posting moron.

            You laugh an awful lot at others don’t you? I do suppose you are unaware that you like Contwat and Peckerhead Spicer are laughed at by people more educated than you will ever be?

          • mike says:

            Now! Now! Eleanore Witless! I only get a good laugh when people make asinine posts. Much like yours about “Russian collusion”, impeachment, Dossier that can’t be verified. All you have is what you think the truth is.

            What I do know is “When you’re dead, you don’t know you’re dead. It’s the same way when you’re Stupid.” Trouble is others have to see and hear your stupidity.

        • dbtheonly says:

          The question is how much sympathy we ought to have for Trump voters? Lynda’s right, they’ve bought a load of crap willingly. They have enabled a Presidency which at its best, will gut pollution regulations and take us back to the poisoned air and burning rivers of years ago. At its worst we’ve got nuclear Armageddon.

          But they are our fellow Americans. Our neighbors.

          Any injuries to them are done to all of us. Their air can’t be polluted without polluting ours. Their economy can’t crash without crashing ours.

          We need to find a way to reach them.

          • 788eddie says:

            Dub, yours is reflects, probably most closely, my sentiments regarding the current political environment.

            Thank you for expressing it so well.

          • idamag says:

            However, when the nation is in worse shape than it is now, those of us who did not vote for that sex offender will really resent those who caused all our woes.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        Give it up Mikeee…Your posts are being to sound like epistles from St. Paul on his way to Emmaus.

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  2. secondclassguy says:

    It boggles the mind why anyone would vote for Trump or republicans unless they’re in the top 1 or 2% of wealth. That’s who republicans represent, no one else

    • FireBaron says:

      guy, even the majority of registered Republicans regularly vote against their own best self-interests. They have done such a great job of pounding into their heads that Democrats are the font of all evil that they refuse to see the damage being done to their livelihoods and well being by the candidates they continually elect.

    • idamag says:

      trump (and the party) appeals to bigots, racists, paranoids, gun nuts, and sexual predators.

  3. says:

    Trump And GOP Have It In For Their Own Voters Trump’s appeal is much broader. Cognitive scientist George Lakoff has spent decades studying how conservatives have won by nurturing a worldview of a powerful authority enforcing discipline through strength. Last summer, he tried to warn Democrats that Trump — despite a near total ignorance of conservative policy — was appealing to Republicans across the spectrum as well as to union workers who believe in “traditional family values” in their private lives. /// answer is DONNY DUMP says to his brain dead followers and voters thanks for being so BRAIN DEAD SUCKERS I COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT WITH OUT YOU

  4. Budjob says:

    Trump is,was,and forever will be,a horribly ignorant person,and generally terrible,despicable human being!

  5. El Preofesor says:

    I hope “the trumpies” who voted for this guy are VERY HAPPY with his 100+ days under-performance. No wonder the “guy” said “I LOVE the UNEDUCATED”. And the GOP, oooooooooooooooh! GOP….SUCKS!!

  6. RichFromShowMe says:

    I’m one of the old (73) guys living in rural USA and have MediCare coverage plus a supplemental policy that covers hospitalization, surgery, etc.

    The monthly cost is around $125 for Medicare and $215 for the Supplemental.

    This is not unreasonable and will drop in cost after obambacare has a stake driven through its heart.

    I also have younger friends (50-70 ages) who pay $50 a month for a cooperative health care covering everything that can be done short of a hospital stay. They also buy supplemental health insurance in the $150 to $250, monthly, range to cover hospitalization. The younger guys pay the obambacare fine (2% and going to 2.5% next year) but know obambacare will soon have a stake driven through its heart.

    These coops are probably available a city near you.

    This is just one example of what COMPETITION can bring to the health insurance industry . . . . under obambacare competition simply died and Federal Control astronomically raised health costs.

    And yes, each state will administer plans for “high-risk-folks” and those who don’t want to pay for health insurance. This will cost all taxpayers, but will be a very small amount when administered by local folks in each state, probably adding around a couple of hundred dollars annually to your taxes, but you will be saving literally thousands of dollars over the cost of obambacare.

    COMPETITION WORKS, especially when the Feds stay out of it!

    • Jinmichigan says:

      Gullible at your age? Shame on you.

      • dbtheonly says:


        You understand that Rich is singing the praises of ObamaCare, don’t you?

        The Republicans haven’t even gotten around to repealing it, despite their “day one” promises; much less come up with anything to replace it.

        The co-ops, competition, it’s all envisioned by ObamaCare.

        • Jinmichigan says:

          If he is, it’s the best example of snark I’ve seen in a long time.

          • dbtheonly says:

            Didn’t say he meant to.

            But all that good stuff he talked about?

            Happened under, and because of, ObamaCare.

          • Jinmichigan says:

            He is truly clueless, I’ll give you that much.

          • dbtheonly says:

            But it’s more.

            He’s so tied into the labels that he ignores the reality. Obamacare is bad. Even if it produces the lowest increases in healthcare in years. Even if it insures millions previously uninsured. Even if it stopped two of the biggest insurance scams, pre-existing conditions, and life-time caps.

            The label is the reality.

          • idamag says:

            I wonder if the low-educated, backwoods, dummy is reading about the big (and I mean bigly) tax cuts going to the multi-national corporations?

          • dbtheonly says:

            I’d doubt it. Remember what I said about labels? ObamaCare is bad. The actual facts don’t matter. ObamaCare is bad. Rename it RomneyCare? Easy fix. The woman complaining that Congress was spending its time on the ACA, when they should be repealing ObamaCare?

            No, you live in the world of facts. Too many live in the RWMO world of slogans and buzzwords.

          • idamag says:

            Two things in my past have made me the type of thinker that I am: 1. High school debate. 2. The field I trained for is technical writing. Intelligence is innate, but it needs to be cultivated. A technical writer knows there cannot be anything in their manuals that would tip the reader off to their age, their gender, their political leanings or their background. It must be 100% factual. Some of the trolls, on here, are only broadcasting their ignorance. Stupid and proud of it. I would suppose you, too, have the education not to be swayed by jingles and lies. I can tell. I block the diptins.

          • dbtheonly says:

            My own experience is slightly different. College debate struck me as stale as it didn’t try to find practical solutions to real problems.

            I’ve been an opponent of fuzz words and buzz words for many years. The reliance upon them by the Republicans has been a frustration for about as long.

            You nail it exactly about factual writing. It makes Alternative Facts so scary to me. What chance do we have if we can’t even agree on reality?

          • idamag says:

            Not all people who do not go to college are stupid. There is their hereditary intelligence, coupled with their exposure to diversity that can shape their intellect, also, Back to debate, what I did learn is you could not use “they say” or “statistics say” as references. There had to be a pot of truth and it usually boiled down to different views of the same subject. Sometimes each had their own merits. One class I took, in college was “Expository Writing. It was just that – exposing that which is available to read. We had to dissect political speeches for something other than abstract and emotional appeals. We had an assignment to read and watch advertisements and categorize their method. There was a list of categories to put them under. I have forgotten some of the categories, but I remember, “Jump on the band wagon,” Scare tactics,” “Vanity,” and there was one for, if you didn’t use this product you would be offensive, but I forget what it was called. After that class I could spot a liar right off.

          • dbtheonly says:

            What turned me off of debating was the idea of arguing for the sake of arguing. You may have noticed, I’m the guy always asking, “How will that work?”, “How do we accomplish that?”, “What are the ramifications of that action?”. Debate just seemed impractical.

            Did I say anything about people ho don’t go to college being stupid? I referenced college debate because that’s where I did it.

            I’ve pointed out that the Wizard of Oz handed out diplomas and asked how that would differ from the left’s idea of free college education for all. College doesn’t make you smart. It just gives you a diploma showing others that you’re smart.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Trump and the Republicans use “keywords” like “disaster” and “failure.” Yet, when you deman they show proof, they have NONE.

            They love to make out that their states have the least number of insurers. BS. NJ has the least number for one reason: ours are the highest healthcare costs in the country and most of the providers are Wall Street biggies. There goes another lie of the Republican party.

            Strange thing though. Even though my state is considered the most densely populated per square mile by the US Census Bureau, we have only 14 Electoral College electors. Just imagine what would happen if NJ did what Republican states ALL do? Chop up our voting districts…we’d end up with more electors than any state in the union, thanks to population density.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            The reality of why the costs increased is a Republican boys game as it always is when they screw up. First of all, the exchanges that allowed subsidies for those on the lowest end of income earnings were paid for by the loss of huge tax cuts the Big 6 HMOs received every year for the last 4 decades. By not having to fill in gaps left by the corporate slugs who pay less taxes than any individual middle class American, as with ARRA, Obama knew that there would need to be tweaking, something the spiteful little bitchy boys of the GOP were not willing to do.

            When you get sick of their stupid spiteful attitudes, how about we demand our states cut off ALL funding to their states until they learn what the word, “cooperation,” means.

          • RichFromShowMe says:

            The primary reason for the growth of Coops is because of the mushrooming costs of obambacare, so I guess I agree with your statement. 🙂

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            You are a real idiot. The last economic report on Bloomberg showed an increase in the number of people in 2017 hurrying to get on board with the ACA.

            Your days of living off our hard earned tax dollars are over. Obamacare, left in its original untouched format, was going to roll over to a single payer plan.

            How many HMOs fund Ryan and Bitchie Mitchie’s campaigns? You won’t dare answer that one will you?

          • RichFromShowMe says:

            The primary reason more folks are enrolling in obambacare
            is due to the punishment-tax of obambacare going from 2% to 2.5% of gross income.

            At some point an equilibrium is reached the time when Fine-Cost + health insurance become greater than just joining obambacare.

            80%+ of obambacare participants receive subsidized health insurance; i.e., us taxpayers still support the bulk of obambacare, which is on its last legs towards bankruptcy or giant tax increases for taxpayers.




            “Your days of living off our hard earned tax dollars are over”

            I still work, pay taxes and support the government, whether obama, (ex)President Jarrett or President Trump. That’s what American’s do; i.e., we just want a better Federal Government, for everyone.

            Obamacare, left in its original untouched format, was going to roll over to a single payer plan” . . . and become just like Britain and Canada’s healthcare system.




            I prefer FACTS over random biased statements 🙂

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Wrong moron. You asshats just do not want to pay for your healthcare. You can hide behind all the links you want. But you fool no one. The reason these people got fines and taxes was because they refused to pay for their own healthcare insurance. What kind of jackasses do that?

            When you don’t pay, we do in higher copays, deductibles and premiums. Pay for your own and stop using the ER as your only source of healthcare. If you refuse to take out healthcare insurance, it youw own damn fault if you get taxed.

            You know the law was passed in 2009. But Republicans just want to allow the Walmartians in their state to get away with dumping their healthcare costs on the rest of us. Sorry…we are going to state healthcare and leaving your asses in a lurch.

          • RichFromShowMe says:

            Are you off your medication?

            This is my final sign-off as I have read enough of you foul language and extreme lack of FACTS . . . . just more foaming at the mouth 🙂

          • idamag says:

            He might be one of those farmers who sit in the local cafe, dipping flies out of their coffee, cussing the gov’mint and with their hands out for their subsidies and parities.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Men like Bitchy Ritchie see things from their own little world. Too few of us want in on that world. Bitchy Ritchies exist out of their own messed up views that they are ENFORCERS. They stupidly think they can rearrange all of our lives to suit their tilted view of existence.

            Bitchy Ritchie is another of those twaddle mouthed nuts who lives without a shred of truth to his life and believes lies are facts. The reality is that life has facts that he cannot undo. Such is his need for power over the world he thinks he controls.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          You know what’s so funny? They are the one who want their people to buy healthcare insurance across “state lines” as they keep repeating. The reality is that the only states that don’t allow that are NJ and NY. Getting insurance in these two states is harder than the other 48 for one reason: These are the states insurance companies view as “overly congested by people per square mile” and therefore, the pools the insurance companies create in these 2 states are far more restrictive.

          So any Republican who tries to cross lines and get NY or NJ healthcare insurance is in for the shock of their lives. They could NEVER afford the high cost of insurance here.

          • dbtheonly says:

            I figured it had two parts.

            First, the race to the bottom on State insurance regulation.

            Second, buying lower priced insurance in a neighboring State, ignoring the fact that premia are based on the pool of the insured. If people in an adjacent State have lower rates; they are lower risks.

            It strikes me that the trolls here have no idea what insurance is or how it works.

            They only know the label.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            The joke is that the pools in interstate insurances in the south and midwest are all subsidized by the highest premiums paid by those in Dem states.

            Big Insuranc today is nothing more than Big Extortion. Here’s why. Look at who they ONLY want to sell insurance to: Anyone under age 45 who will pay premiums for 20 years and never file a single claim. How isn’t that pure profit in their pockets?

            Then, those over 45 begin to file claims and right away their policies double in cost to make sure Big Insurance gets 50% of the profits and the insured are paying for nearly all of their own claims with the other 50% they are charged in premiums, copays and deductibles.

            When I was an accounting manager, every September was like a Big Insurance feeding frenzy. They’d call and the first question out of their mouths was, “What’s the median age of your employees?” Tell them it’s 50 and you get a dead phone line. Click.

            Their other game was to make the claim they could offer a much lower rate to employers. That was true. Until renewable when they recouped the losses and doubled the cost to the employers and by association, employees.

          • dbtheonly says:

            Private insurance companies are there to make a profit. We have to expect them to act in their financial interest.

          • idamag says:

            I have always said, “Healthcare should not be the bottom line on the stock market page of the Wall Street Journal.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Ida, if what I hear from my friend who works on Wall Street as a financial advisor is true, today’s HMOs are more monopoly than business. There are really 6 major HMOs who own market share. And the reality is that when we pay those premiums, they are used, as Prudential did, for foreign investments, not to pay our healthcare claims. That’s why Prudential was investigated for fraud and why Bush ended his presidency with that Sept. 2008 Financial Meltdown. Businesses hanging onto too little to pay what the revenue was intended for and spending 80% on investments.

          • dbtheonly says:

            Agreed, but it’s the ballpark we’re playing in.

            Our fight today is trying to keep TrumpCare from allowing those companies from increasing their profits by dumping those of us most likely to need medical attention.

          • idamag says:

            the dump has already okay’d a large co-payment for Medicare. Wake up seniors. It isn’t law yet, but you insisted on sending that posturing nitwit to Congress to destroy safety nets.

          • dbtheonly says:

            To which posturing nitwit do you refer?

            At least two dozen immediately spring to mind.

          • idamag says:

            I think he comes from Wisconsin

          • dbtheonly says:

            Oh, Paul Ryan!

            As opposed to:
            Steven King
            Louis Gohmert
            Darryl Issa
            Virginia Fox
            David Brat

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Their view of financial interest caused over 2 million Americans to go bankrupt. Their view is profit that gets them a “golden Penthouse” and you a bankruptcy claim.

            Greed is not a financial interest.

        • idamag says:

          The fact that the AMA supports the ACA shows its worth.

    • Michael M. says:

      There is no competition in the Health Insurance industry as long as the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945 still stands.

      You (and I) still cannot purchase insurance policies across state lines. (despite the Insurance company operating across state lines and our payments being made across state lines)

      For example; I live just south of the Michigan-Indiana border.
      Aetna operates in both states and sells insurance policies to customers in both states. Payments, however, are to be mailed to Pennsylvania.


      I cannot drive 45 minutes north and purchase a health insurance plan from an Aetna rep based in Michigan. The McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945 prohibits that Aetna rep in Michigan from selling me a policy.

      The policies may have different costs in each state and for almost any other service…. I could make that 45 minute drive to purchase that service at a better price.

      But you (and I) cannot do so thanks to the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      You really think you can pull the wool over the eyes of those of us who live 45 minutes from Wall Street? Try again.

      The states where healthcare costs the MOST are ALL Republican states. For a reason the cowards like you won’t admit and we, who are paying the cost of lazy bums in the Republican states, know all too well.

      When NY’s Governor decided to set up a state run ACA agency, within just a few months several things happened in that state that didn’t happen in NJ. First…the cost of healthcare dropped by 11%. NY’s cost for healthcare is less than NJ’s. Why? Because our Governor is Republican.

      Then, there is the matter of jobs creation because of the ACA that allowed NY to reduce state income taxes. Note that many Republican states pay NO STATE income taxes.

      Third, as a result of higher job creation there was also an increase in the number of insurers who offer AFFORDABLE healthcare.

      Competition works moron only between corporations. You’d know that if ever you pulled your head out of your butt.

      Sorry folks that you have to read lies only these right wing Ruskies love to slather. But facts you can get from the state of NY or NJ are FACTS this Comrade Richie BOY can’t stand.

      He knows Trump is bringing the U.S. down as a super power. He knows Trump is involved in massive Russian business deals before and AFTER his campaign.

      Now that bag of lies in chief hasn’t the balls to even admit he lied in his tweets about Obama. If I were Obama? I’d sue Trump Organization down to its last dime for defamation of character. It takes a low life bum like Trump and his lower life form supporters to pull off the worst episode in U.S. history.

      • RichFromShowMe says:

        As for “D” or “R” states, its pretty much 50/50.

        I’m not sure about “the Wall Street” issue?

        Unfortunately obambacare rules and regulations is what dictates the cost of health insurance . . . . once again, around 50/50.

        Is it time to move? “NY’s cost for healthcare is less than NJ’s. Why? Because our Governor is Republican.”

        After hillary, followed by kerry propelled Vlad, the Impaler into the international cat-bird seat, and kept him there, though their incompetency . . . how do you think, in 60, or so, days our new President has hurt our diplomacy, in 60 mere days?

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          Wrong. According to both the GAO and CBO, the 10 states with the worst economies out of 50 are ALL Republican states. In 2016, these were the states that publicly acknowledged their state economies were in tatters: KS, IA, TN, KY, NC, LA and AL.

          Would you explain exactly how in the “F” these states get back $1.75 for the $1 they pay in federal taxes while ALL Dem states get back 55 cents for that $1? Go back to school moron.

          And as for you attempts to try and get Hillary or Obama in on any Russian hacking, think again. The intel community has enough evidence on Russia’s “Goosifer” hackers who stupidly hacked DNC emails and used coding in their own language. Get real asshat. You are 73 year old geezer whoses Mommy spoiled your ass for far too long. Now you are a demented old geezer who thinks the world is your oyster. Better plan to get a job.

          The states hit hardest by TrumpCare are Republican states, not Dem state…ooooooh hurt your ass yet?

          • idamag says:

            You left out Idaho. The town of deplorables is Deitrich. The problem is the poor states have poor schools and kids are not learning compassion for others. We have very little diversity and I thank what we have as I have met some wonderful people who are on the minority list. I have to blame the Republicans because after my kids did get their higher educations, most of them oved away for a better economic life.

          • RichFromShowMe says:



            The 10 states are:
            MS is “R”
            NM is “D”
            CT is “D”
            ME is “R”
            WY is “R”
            KS is “R”
            VT is “D”
            WV is “D”
            AK is Independent
            ND is “R”

            The count is:
            Republican – 5,
            Democrat – 4
            Independent – 1

            States, as the Federal Government, have to negotiate with their Legislatures so just because a Governor is “R”, “D” or “I” really is misleading.

            But, it’s still pretty close to 50/50 in the GAO study of 7 “R” to 3 “D” 🙂

            By the way, the GAO is world renown for its sadly mistaken estimates and projections of nearly everything they touch, like obambacare, for instance 🙂

      • jimmy midnight says:

        My two cents worth today would be a suggestion that although Trump voters may very well DESERVE betrayal, as human they should be ENTITLED to something a little better than that.

        Deserves are in the I of the beholder.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          Trump voters are low lifes who have learned from their Republican politicians all they have to do is hold out their hands and Dem states will be forced to hand over our state taxes to their states to feed Big Oil, their military industrialist and the rest of their antiquated Confederacy businesses they hang onto for dear life.

          The very fact that Walmart does so well in the south and midwest but is pulling stores out of the Northeast due to high employee turnover is proof that the Republican states would die without Dem state funds.

          • jimmy midnight says:

            All true, as usual, Eleanore, but even the South is full of people who, “Didn’t ask to come here.”

            We know they resent us, but should we resent them back, or continue to smile on them with christian charity. I don’t know where the end point is, either.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Jimmy, you know that we are all Americans. I do not respect any American who flies any flag but the Stars and Stripes. My father was born in Italy and came here at age 7, an Italian immigrant. So, I am what Trump would label, “an anchor baby.” Good..deport me and I’d shove my shoe up Melania’s foreign alien ass so fast Trump’s head would spin.

            They resent us but it is their own fault. I ought to know. I have relatives who live in GA, NC, FL and TX. In every case, these people fall for every word out of their politician’s mouths. Then, they wonder why they are forced to live on Walmartian salaries.

            As Americans, we have a duty to help other Americans. I am unwilling to do that when these “other” Americans support a mental case like Trump. I know Trump. I live in NJ. I know his reputation for skankage that goes back 4 decades.

            He is as much a photo hog as the Kardashian girls and loves the spotlight more than the job he is sworn by oath to carry out.

          • jimmy midnight says:

            Dig it; but I think you’re helping more than U know by engaging them in strings like these.

          • idamag says:

            I try to show empathy to those who are hostile. If a little boy in school is shunned, called names and not allowed to participate in activities, he might grow up with an attitude. Since trump has validated these deplorables, a Black high school student was sodomized with an object, in a locker room in our state. It is a tiny farm community. So you suppose that student might have an attitude?

          • jimmy midnight says:

            “Validating the deplorables,” is a great way of putting it. I if had 2 bet on whether sodomized youngsters end up with an attitude….

          • Sand_Cat says:

            The same “Christian charity” with which they despise us?

          • idamag says:

            Our red neck state takes $1.80 from the U.S Government for every one dollar they put in. We have the dubious honor of having the most people on minimum wage. Our education system is close to the bottom, hence so many Republican voters. We have two Republican parties: T-party and regular. Each have their own chair persons and they are fighting each other all the time. We have a majority religion, but I am sure if Jesus came and said they had to give up their party for him, they would choose the party.

      • idamag says:

        People like him believe his microwave is set up to spy on him.

    • Sand_Cat says:

      You need to get some Meds before they cut your Medicare to nothing.
      [Edit] Meds to help you get a grip on reality and make those delusions go away.

  7. FT66 says:

    I don’t blame much those who voted for Trump and are now getting what they didn’t expect. They were lied to and this is due to the style of campaigning that has been in place for decades. Jumping like a grasshopper from one place to the other while campaigning and spreading lies doesn’t help anything or rather voters. Young voters really gets it. They want a candidate to take few minutes telling what he wants to do, and take a lot of time answering questions. Through questions and answers, voters grasp what a candidate is prepared to do to them.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      That’s the joke. They voted for a guy who NEVER keeps his promises. He knew all along he would never get that travel ban passed. But, he did have to make a good show of it for Putin. After all, Trump is beholden to one of his biggest campaign benefactors.

    • idamag says:

      They are the traitors to decency and humanity and our country.

    • Sand_Cat says:

      They were blinded by their own malice, ignorance, and stupidity, with emphasis on the first. Do you really think they weren’t gleefully imagining what is about to happen to them instead affecting poor and brown-skinned “takers,” and immigrants, Muslims, and anyone but themselves?
      If you want to complain about the way campaigns are run, fine, but don’t insult us all by pretending these people are somehow innocent victims of the guy they were repeatedly warned about, but voted for to spite the rest of us.

  8. Dapper Dan says:

    Karma for once has proven itself for the Trump voters to be all too real and who have just realized they’ve been conned bigly. It’s a very hard sad lesson to learn that Trump was making promises he never planned on delivering and in the process is removing the safety net to help give a hand up to those in need. Very sad indeed ????

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      I live in NJ. How on earth could 40% of the population fall for Trump BS? These people have to be the most uneducated in the country not to know Trump’s thieving, grifter reputation precedes him.

      Anyone living in the Northeast knows that Trump NEVER plays with a clean hand. None of what Trump is doing will hurt the Dem states. Ours are basically the sole support of their corporations and their Republican states.

      • Dapper Dan says:

        I honestly don’t know why so many people have scales on their eyes blinding them to Trumps underhanded lies and deception. It’s not just the Northeast that is familiar with his BS. I’m dating myself but I recall his BS going back over 30 years and knew then to never trust him. Garry Trudeau also could see him for who he truly was and of course has satirized him mercilessly over the years even lampooning a Trump Presidency back in the 90’s. No one honestly believed he’d run because then he’d have to show his tax returns. I guess he found a loophole there and so far has shielded them. The 2 page tax return from 2005 was of course leaked by him otherwise we would’ve seen everything

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          Dan, I think the last straw for me with Trump was when he stood outside the Taj Mahal back in 2013 and told a crowd of his own employees he owed back wages to, “It’s YOUR fault for trusting me.” That did it for me.

          The old saying is true. If it slithers like a snake, hisses like a snake, it’s Trump.

          Look at the damage he has done in less than 3 months in office: He has the Mexican, UK and Muslims in the Middle East ready to rip him a new one. He will no doubt want to go after Germany next because he loathes the idea that a woman, Angela Merkle is now the leader of the free world in Europe.

          He is already planning a war with North Korea. We can only hope they evacuate the innocent from Trump Tower before North Korea takes it out.

          This country HAS NEVER been in such a risky position as it is with this mental defective in the White House.

          He lies, tries to create distractions so no one will demand to see his taxes or figure why he rented a suite in Trump Tower to Paul Manafort, a Russian liaison.

          He has the CIA, FBI and NSA all under his thumb to prevent them from doing anything that will out his ties to Russia.

          • idamag says:

            I read two books about him. One was by a former employee and the other was David Cay Johnston’s book. All of the underhanded, crooked things this jerkadoodle has done and they still voted for him. My question is how did he get out of all the lawsuits and how was he allowed to take multiple bankruptcies and how does he get by with lying and slandering people? The man is a crooked sleeze. I actually believe he has mob connections. Maybe not just in this country.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Ida…The reality is that the government and law enforcement is as much to blame for the Trump monster as Trump is. By always making government money from allowing Trump to settle all of his cases out of court, the government basically gave Trump a slap on the wrist.

            Ask yourself this: If Trump was not allowed to always “settle out of court,” and instead was sent to prison, would he go right back to doing what he always has done?

            Madoff stole over $67 billion over a 17 year period from his own clients. Now he is rotting in jail but only because there was NO way the SEC wanted Madoff and his SEC allies to be outed.

            Trump gets away with it all because they know his attitude is “So what? I can afford to pay fines and lawsuits. I’ll just stiff another dozen people to make what I need to pay these things.”

    • idamag says:

      I hope they have come to the realization they have been conned.

    • Sand_Cat says:

      How could they have possibly missed the fact that he had no intention of keeping those promises? It was obvious he barely remembered them minutes later.
      The very sad thing is that most of the idiots won’t learn a thing from Trump’s betrayal. It will be “the liberals” who took away their health care.

  9. idamag says:

    People, in this country (not you and me) will not pay attention to what is happening to others until it hits them. When seniors have to pay a co-pay of 5 to 7 thousand dollars up front on their Medicare, they might pay attention. We are a selfish people. Big business can devaluate the worker until he believes all he is worth is minimum wage. Then they look down on him because he is the worker that serves the community. Minimum wage guarantees him a modicum of income, but they are trying to destroy that. People, why wait until you’ve lost your safeguards in water, food, wages, and everything else before you speak up. It is easier to save them than to fight to restore them until everyone forgets and it starts all over again.

  10. notafoxfan says:

    it is more than highly unfortunate that everyone across the board (except those considered “upper middle class”, making 250k-500k yearly, and those of the wealthier group) will have to suffer with whatever the republicans in the house and senate, and trump come up with..from their health care plan, to their budget,to their lack of concern for the many issues with Russian connections,the trump tax issues,his business connections, the fact that he is more of a monarch with his children in the government and also running his empire, and on and on..those who voted for him still, even with all of the factual information available (not wiki leakes,breitbart or fox news)stand by him and his so called “promises” of jobs,jobs,jobs,that wall that mexico will pay for, and keeping us safe by stopping immigration and sending all the gardeners,housekeepers and construction workers back to many are still edging around standing up to mr trump,and even fewer will say he outright lies about everything..thank the lord we still have the constitution, and 3 (not 1 as trump would like)branches of government…

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