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Wednesday, June 20, 2018

As they competed for the GOP presidential nomination in 1980, future presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush both offered a more modern and accepting take on immigration than some in their party are offering in 2013.

Bush echoed his son George W. in calling for solutions to a broken system:

But the problem has to be solved. The problem has to be solved. Because, as we have made illegal some kinds of labor that I’d like to see legal, we’re doing two things, we’re creating a whole society of really honorable, decent, family-loving people that are in violation of the law and secondly we’re exacerbating relations with Mexico.

Reagan rejected the idea of building a wall, offering pragmatism and openness to Mexican immigrants:

Rather than talking about putting up a fence, why don’t we work out some recognition of our mutual problems? Make it possible for them to come here legally with a work permit. And then, while they’re working and earning here they can pay taxes here.

It’s a far cry from the 2012 primary, when Mitt Romney endorsed “self-deportation” to get to the right of Rick Perry, who accused him of hiring “illegal immigrants.”

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9 Responses to Watch Reagan And Bush Debate Immigration 33 Years Ago And Marvel At How Far This GOP Has Fallen

  1. Was Reagan that far from todays GOP, or is it the other way around? I hope they continue to defeat themselves on this issue. Perhaps when they’ve lost another generation of Hispanics, women and the young they will begin to mature into a national party once again.

    • Reagan is the supposed standard that all Conservative Republicans today claim to emulate. Unfortunately Reagan’s policies, like those of Barry Goldwater before him, would not allow him a seat at today’s table. Reagan’s biggest sin in the eyes of today’s Republicans is not that he presided over one of the largest tax increases in American History (he did so when he realized that his tax cuts early in his administration actually damaged the economy more than it helped – i.e. he could learn from admitting he made mistakes), but that he was willing to COMPROMISE with the Democrats in order to get legislation to pass.

      When Newt Gingrich was in charge of the House, they often excluded Democrats from drafting committees when legislation was being written, and generally rejected any Democratic sponsored amendments to legislation. When Democrats complained, they were told to suck it up and live with the fact they were the minority party/ When the Democrats reclaimed the House and Senate, Republicans complained when they were treated the same way, even though it was usually from them boycotting the drafting committee meetings, not from their being locked out as they did to the Democrats.

      During the period when Tom DeLay ran the House (through his puppet – Dennis Hastert), he ordered the Speaker to never call for a vote unless a bill was guaranteed to pass on Republican votes alone. This was even on bills that had strong bipartisan support! If they did not have 218 Republicans on board, it didn’t get brought up. Pelosi always held votes regardless of guaranteed support from her party. Cryin’ John Boehner has reverted to the “Hastert Doctrine” unless forced into a vote.

      Today, the Democrats version of COMPROMISE is, “Let’s work together to figure out a solution.” Today, the Republican version of COMPROMISE is “Here is our solution. We don’t need your input.”

  2. They will be against ANYTHING at all that this black president wants to do, no matter how many times their party itself has put forth the EXACT SAME ideas. And they surely DO NOT want to help “darker skinned’ people coming to this country, or who want to come to this country….they only want to be able to use them in their factories, farms, gardens, laundries, construction, restaurants or childcare for minimum wage (which, by the way they want to eliminate), take their taxes….and NEVER let them be citizens and vote. People aren’t stupid.

    • I think you hit the topic perfectly. If a white President had been elected, would there be the same opposition to him from the Republicans in the House and Senate as President Obama has experienced? The breakdown in courtesy in the Republicans (and the effective founding of the Tea Party movement) can be traced to Sarah Palin’s campaign speeches where she admonished the crowd that then-Senator Obama was “not like us”. Even when she was pretty much squelched by McCain as to Obama’s good qualities, she never stopped,and continued to “go rogue”.

      • When you asked “If a white President had been elected, would there be the same opposition to him from the Republicans” I was going to remind you of Clinton and how the Republicans spent millions of our tax dollars attempting to find something, anything, to impeach him and then I remembered… Clinton was called our first Black President!

    • Amusingly, widespread manditory use of E-verify might be the key to comprehensive immigration reform. If business couldn’t use available illegal immigrants they would have to switch to supporting making them legal.

  3. The last time meaningful immigration reform took place, and amnesty was granted to five million illegal immigrants, was in 1986 when former President Reagan championed those changed and signed the applicable amnesty. Former President George W. Bush and Sen. John McCain made various proposals, notably the guest worker program, but they did not get anywhere and in the case of McCain he was forced to support The Wall to be re-elected.
    Times have changed for a variety of reasons. The likelihood of people looking at issues and debating them with the best interests of our country in mind, is just a chimera. Brain dead zombies now control the GOP, and too many Democrats are afraid of retaliation from their rabid constituents to address and support an issue that may help the GOP as an institution in the long run, but that will end the re-election chances of politicians in Duck Dynasty districts.

  4. Young TPotty members, after viewing this film clip, must be asking their elders who those two crazy old socialists were!

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