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Friday, March 22, 2019

The hardest problem in the moment of this crushing defeat is what to tell our children — eager, idealistic, and patriotic kids who want to believe that democracy works and that America is kind and just. They have grown up under President Obama and now face the rise of a very different leader, whose sinister and depressing campaign has showed them, at a very young age, the worst side of politics.

How do you tell children that we face a catastrophe?

For the moment, I told them that Donald Trump, in his victory speech, promised to unite the country and be fair to everyone — to be nicer, in the vernacular of elementary school. And it is true that he offered those rote pledges when he took the stage in the early morning hours.

What I could not tell them was that I believed Trump, because there is no evidence that he will relinquish the divisive and angry politics that brought him to power or the rejection of religious and ethnic minorities — and women — that agitated so much of his base. It would be comforting to think that having won the presidency, he will suddenly fit himself to the responsibilities of that office, but knowing what we know about Trump, that seems beyond any reasonable hope.

Instead, we must prepare to cope with a series of crises at home and abroad that will test humanity. Even before the election was finally scored, we began to see the consequences of the destructive choice made by half of the American electorate, as world markets recoiled.

A plunge into economic recession seems highly likely, under a conservative regime whose policy nostrums are certain to make bad even worse. The white working class and rural voters who wanted to “blow things up” by voting Trump are going to find out that he cannot return them to the world in which they felt secure. It is troubling to ask where they will turn — and whom they may seek to scapegoat — when those false hopes are disappointed.

Under normal circumstances, an economic plunge is not a threat to democracy and constitutional freedom, but there are not normal circumstances — and a Trump presidency will be poised to curtail liberty, beginning with immigrants, Muslims and women, and extending to the press and his political adversaries. All that decent citizens can try to do in the face of the coming onslaught is to resist, to protect, and to support each other.

Recriminations over the Democratic defeat have begun already, and perhaps that is unavoidable. Hillary Clinton tried to adjust to the country’s populist mood, but her revisions of the political formula that once drove her husband’s presidency proved to be too little and much too late. She fought hard on the most progressive Democratic platform in decades, but the suspicions aroused against her and her family were disabling.

Now the Clinton era has passed, with all of its high and low points, and a new generation of leaders in the Democratic Party and on the liberal left must summon strength and purpose in this darkening time.

As for the children — all of our children — we will have to seek ways to protect them from the worst to come, and to build hope again for the future. Today, in the dawn of a darkening time, it isn’t easy to imagine how we will do that.

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346 responses to “What Do We Tell The Children About Their Country Now?”

  1. BDD1951 says:

    Better get your fallout shelters going.

  2. AgLander says:

    What do we tell our children? We tell them that true evil DOES exist and can be defeated like it was last night. We tell them that real witches do exist and they must be crushed like the one was last night. We tell them to never wear gaudy colored pant suits because they make one look like a ridiculous clown. We tell them never to set up a foundation for the purpose of pre-selling governmental favors in advance of an election to shady international figures and rogue nations and then have to fear for their lives after they lose the election in a landslide. We tell them never to mention the name of Bill and Hillary Clinton again because they are now a closed book in history…..a very bad history!

    • Oddworld says:

      Congratulations AgLander, your candidate won. Now shove off
      and allow the readers of the National Memo some dignity.

      • Mama Bear says:

        time to block him, Oddworld. His kind will not go out without being shut out.

      • AgLander says:

        Dignity? What dignity? Did you suddenly find some?

        • Oddworld says:

          I’ve had it all along. Prove to me a time when I didn’t.

          • AgLander says:

            Maybe so….but your friends at this site are low life attack jackals. They are strangely quiet this morning……Trump turned them into cowardly lions!

          • Oddworld says:

            Well I’ve never professed to be a Liberal or a fan of Hillary’s so…
            Yes I voted for her but I do understand a lot of why Trump won.
            Now the onus is on him to prove he is the man he and you say he is. For the sake of the country and all of us I do wish him well. I still don’t like him though.

          • Jim Samaras says:

            He will prove to be one of the best we’ve had odd. He takes this personally and will not let the country down. His fear of failure is the greatest thing motivating him

          • Oddworld says:

            I hope you’re right Jim. Although I’m feeling disappointed because
            my candidate lost I’m not going to wallow in self pity. I accept the results and I’ll keep an open mind.

          • Oddworld says:

            FYI. What I’m really hoping for, if he turns out to be a good POTUS, is that it opens the doors for future independent candidates and finally puts an end to career politicians and the stranglehold our two parties have on this country.

          • Rich says:

            And not his ego?
            Hopefully America turns out better than his last four bankruptcies.

          • Jim Samaras says:

            Ahh, a brand new liberal elitist heard from.

          • Rich says:

            I qualify for Obamacare.
            I know snake oil.
            I guess that makes me “elite.” I hope your Orange Dictator brings back those 1950s factory jobs while he builds the wall as Mexico covers his $7 trillion budget.

          • AgLander says:

            Let me guess…..you live in a tight knit social bubble of security created by snotty liberals on both coasts…..to travel more than 100 miles inland creates tension and fear that you might be attacked by roving hoards of buffalo hunters!

          • Oddworld says:

            If you must know, yes I live along the East Coast but I hardly see what that has to do with anything. I’ve also lived in Vermont and New Mexico so what’s your point? I make $12 an hour at my job and don’t qualify for food stamps or much help at all even though my income is barely a living wage where I live. According to the information it would seem I have more in common with the average Trump supporter than not, I just don’t happen to share much of their ideology. So you see AgLander, I’m hardly in a position to be considered an elitist.

    • Daniel Jones says:

      %^*$%%(&%^^)*^&…

      You are about to experience everything you ever said you wanted. I hope you’re ready for it.

      I hope you survive the coming months and years; you deserve every damn bit of it.

      Oh, all you women, Latinos, Blacks, et al. who didn’t vote or actually supported the new Fruitcake of the Police States of America? Do yourselves a favor and just sew the epithets so often used against you onto your sleeves. You’ve all earned them.

  3. Mama Bear says:

    Now is a good time to pull out the Republican platform that we mostly ignored. Tony Perkins wrote some of it…yep, he actually wrote it and it is unedited right there. I would say if you have a gay child, sister/brother, parent or you yourself protect them as best you can. Keep an eye on women, Jews, Muslims, Latinos and anyone else who is not white and male. There is probably not much else except to take care of each other.

    • loveofcountry says:

      Your paranoia is stunning. Such fear. Two of my close friends who are gay voted for him. Jews? Fearful of Trump!
      Tell that to Netanyahu, who supported Trump. Muslims who are not terrorists, have nothing to fear from Trump.
      Woman, yes white woman, came out in droves to vote for President Trump. Please open your heart and see reality.

      • Rich says:

        Gays voting for a VP who believes that he can electrocute them into being straight is like the henhouse voting for a fox to protect them.

        • loveofcountry says:

          Electrocution?
          Obama wouldn’t mind gays being thrown from buildings.

          • Rich says:

            Every single LGBT person in history would take the POTUS who brought about gay marriage over the VP who supports “gay conversion therapy,” but thanks for playing.

          • loveofcountry says:

            Do you really mean to say every single LGBT person in “history”?
            There are those who disagree with you.
            Some have come out of that lifestyle. Are they bad people because they are changed?

          • Rich says:

            No, that’s their choice I guess.
            I have to assume you’re a straight male. Imagine someone who believes that every straight male should be turned homosexual. Through shock therapy if necessary.
            Now imagine that 48% of Americans elected that man Vice President.
            How would you feel? That’s how most gays feel today.

          • loveofcountry says:

            Yes, we all have choices

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            Please take the scary step of actually speaking to a gay person. If that’s too much for you, just visit a website like ItGetsBetter.org, or TrevorSpace.org.
            Sexual orientation is not a choice — or a disease.

          • loveofcountry says:

            No one should be bullied. God bless. I do not believe this is a disease.

    • loveofcountry says:

      So very proud of Tony Perkins as he is protecting and defending family
      as it is being relentlessly attacked.

  4. It’s no coincidence that six of the seven blue states that flipped red last night — Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin — had Republican governors and state legislators passing ever-tighter voter suppression laws over the past eight years. Only in North Carolina and Ohio was Trump’s margin more than 1%, well within the GOP’s voter suppression targets.

    Last night was the fruit of a decade-long effort to keep Those People from voting and thus create a more GOP-friendly electorate. It worked, and I fully expect Republicans to spend the next four years working to expand and reinforce that advantage … and now without a Dem-led Department of Justice enforcing the Civil Rights Act. By 2020, many more of the “coalition of the ascendant” will not be allowed to vote.

    Last night wasn’t about voters choosing one party’s candidate. It was about one party choosing the voters.

    • Mama Bear says:

      I’m afraid you are correct.

    • Godzilla says:

      Your theme song!

    • AgLander says:

      Tin foil hat alert!!

    • mike says:

      What a idiotic post.
      You lost quit whinning. You had a flawed/corrupt candidate who wanted more of last 8 years country wanted real change. If people wanted to vote they would would. BTW, black voting down across the country. Clinton’s 12 point lead with women over Trump same as obama over romney. Women did not vote as a monolithic unit as some like to say on this site.
      Clinton underperformed get over it. She failed to get Obama coalition

      • dpaano says:

        We didn’t lose, Mike, Hillary won the popular vote! Trump didn’t win on the popular vote, so, in my way of thinking, he didn’t win at all!

        • Jon says:

          Exactly. The Trumpies are acting like the Democrats were thoroughly rejected by the voters. On November 12, 2012 Donald J Trump tweeted “The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy”. It turns out he was right.

        • latebloomingrandma says:

          You can bet that if Trump won the popular vote and Hillary the electoral, Trump would not concede and would be filing lawsuits.

        • mike says:

          Your denial is laughable. “In your way of thinking” has never been your strong point.
          Now when does Hillary take the oath of Office? January 20, 2017, right? You were so sure she would be elected because she is a women but yet lost. Obama coalition never happened.

          • dpaano says:

            I really don’t care what you think….if you DO think….Hillary won the popular vote, which tells me something! Trump will always have that hanging over his head….the fact that he’s really NOT a popular president and never will be.

          • mike says:

            Still thinking small again I see.
            When is the coronation?????????

      • AgLander says:

        Ditto! Well stated!

    • iamproteus says:

      Well, Trump HAS repeatedly said the system is rigged, hasn’t he?

  5. loveofcountry says:

    We will tell our children that America is again the land of the free and the home of the brave! That religious freedom in America is well and alive. That radical terrorism and corruption in government was given a death blow last night. That our country, praise God, will again be guided by our constitution. Where we will have a President who will not inact laws over the will of the
    American people. God bless America!

    • Godzilla says:

      Well said!

    • PatrickHenry says:

      Exactly fellow American, thank God, now ALL Americans are represented, not special groups of people wanting “something” from “the government”. Let’s see if Hillary supporters want to unite, or continue to divide OUR Great County.

      • AgLander says:

        Don’t hold your breath….these are mean spirited people, just like their losing candidate

      • mike says:

        They won’t. They’re mad they won’t have the coronation. If you really look at the WikiLeak emails the whole democratic party elite looked down on many segments of Americans. The wicked witch is politically dead.

      • You and the rest of your crew are drunk with the spiked drink of wishful thinking. Do any of you honestly believe that Trump will fulfill any of the false promises he made in order to lull you into a deeper stupor??

  6. Godzilla says:

    What to tell the children? You tell them that all the Liberal Lies told by the media and their pundits didn’t work. You tell them that in order to win the Presidency, you must be honest, because telling lie after lie will come back to haunt you. You tell them that once in office, don’t sell it to the highest bidder like a cheap whore. Then you finish up by promising to give them a much better education than you got, because today’s Liberal education makes people mind numbingly stupid. Then tell them to repeat this mantra…..ALL HAIL THE DONALD…..ALL HAIL THE DONALD!

    • AgLander says:

      Notice how the usual suspects are strangely absent…..maybe they took advantage of the $69 one way only fairs that Norwegian Air is currently offering on flights to Europe……bye, bye….we will not miss ya!

      • Godzilla says:

        Let’s hope they don’t come back!

      • Jim Samaras says:

        Yeah, looking for lil Helpy the Septic Filler! Where are ya lil guy?

        • loveofcountry says:

          Poor guy. Perhaps looking for a rock to crawl under. Wish him well though.

        • AgLander says:

          Helpy claims he’s mega rich, lives overseas, and this will make him even richer. It’s amazing how delusional living in his parent’s basement has destroyed his brain function….”Helpy needs some help”!

      • marriea says:

        Gloat dear Aggie, gloat, all you want.
        One can only hope this country don’t end up like Nazi Germany.
        As for the American children.
        One can only hope they end up like those teenagers in Colorado acted a few decades ago.
        I say never put into one’s kid’s face, what one don’t want to see later on
        Bullying is already on the uprise as is drug use.
        A judge in California gave a rapist a slap on the wrist.
        Is more to come?
        Probably.
        So I hope you enjoy your feeling of euphoria while it last.
        It’s gonna get ugly.
        But, alas, the powers that be gave you what you wanted.

        • Jon says:

          Don’t forget that Hillary is winning the popular vote. Although the electoral college decides the election, what it means is that patriotic Americans rejected the Republican platform forged on hate, division, and discrimination. Their gloating shows both their ignorance and joy in lying.

          • dpaano says:

            Yes, it does, but they don’t understand how the electoral college works vs. the popular vote. This is another Gore/Bush fiasco! It’ll blow up in their faces eventually and they’ll wonder what they caused when they voted for this person. Once they lose their Social Security, their medical care, their Medicare, and everything else, they’ll regret their decision. By then, however, it’ll be too late! This country has now become a dictatorship with the Republicans running it totally! Once he enacts his tax program, we’ll be back in a major recession based on his “trickle down” plan of lowering taxes for the upper 1% and the fact that it will end up costing the poor and the middle class more money in taxes! The trickle down theory didn’t work for Kansas and other states….it isn’t going to work for the nation! We’re in for some major financial dark times!!

          • Jon says:

            With Republicans in control of Congress we are in for dark days ahead. Many people will be hurt financially and in other ways. When Trump’s policies wreak havoc on our economy and standing in the world, his sheep will never blame him or his Republican allies. They will find scapegoats just as they did during the campaign. Trump was right when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose a vote. The best we can do is stick together and try to educate those who are not part of Trump’s flock. Either that or entertain them as Trump did.

          • dpaano says:

            Jon, I don’t think I can lie that much…..at least not enough to “entertain” them! We will now become a Republican dictatorship!

          • Jon says:

            Can you sing, dance, or tell jokes? They don’t care what you say whether it be the truth or a lie as long as they are entertained. Thanks “reality” tv for mentally stunting so many Americans.

          • dpaano says:

            Nope….not very entertaining in the least! I’m just going to sit back and watch Trump blow this country up and wait for his uninformed, illiterate followers to see the truth!

          • Jon says:

            The 4 previous times the president was elected despite losing the popular vote were in 1824 John Quincy Adams elected over Democrat-Republican(which became the Democratic Party) Andrew Jackson; 1876 Rutherford B Hayes elected over Democrat Samuel Tilden; 1888 Benjamin Harrison elected over Democrat Grover Alexander; 2000 George W Bush elected over Democrat Al Gore. When land areas elect a president instead people, the process is broken and needs to be fixed.

          • dpaano says:

            Am I the only one that notices that the Electoral College always sides with the Republicans and the Democrats always get the popular vote? Does that tell you anything about the Electoral College?

          • Jon says:

            History proves your point.

          • AgLander says:

            Hillary is winning a few extra votes in California (Mexifornia), but Donald Trump won ALL of the presidency! Deal with it……

          • AgLander says:

            Tell dpaano I’m here for her in her moment of deep grief! She is not too smart to have not seen this coming! I predicted a comfortable sized win for Trump two weeks ago.

          • marriea says:

            Well, I personally have more respect for Hillary Clinton than I ever will for the likes of Donald Trump.
            Also though I’m not saying it will happen and perhaps there’s a bit of wishful thinking, but I would not be surprised if Trump ends up giving us another Richard Nixon moment.
            But maybe it’s what this country needs.
            I also find it interesting that if Trump’s supporters are indeed sending a message against the ‘political’ status quo, they have a strange way of showing their displeasure, as they still ended up with the same POLS whom they claimed didn’t get anything done.
            I’m not going to let it bother me.
            I take comfort that their kids are looking at them and watching their actings.
            I’m sure that some of their kids either will be bullied or are bulliers.
            I’m sure that many of them will end up on the news one day crying about their lives.
            Hope there are none like those Colorado kids of a couple decades ago.
            After all, kids most often, only emulate the adults.
            Neither is there going to be much sympathy from me when they find themselves hooked on heroin or what ever other problems they have. I’m sure Trump will help them.
            Oh well…

        • Jon says:

          Trump will never be my president. He spent 8 years claiming that Barack Obama was not the legitimate POTUS because he was born in Kenya despite evidence proving that was a lie. I have a picture of then Senator Obama holding my granddaughter at one of his 1st Primary Rallies in 2007. He became and until January 20, 2017 will be my president. Not being a rapist, pedophile, racist, misogynist, homophobe, Islamophobe, ally of Russia, white supremacist/nationalist, or right wing conspiracy theorist, I cannot call a lying demagogue who represents those groups my president. To me he will always be the orange stain in the White House.

        • AgLander says:

          Tin foil hat alert!

      • We’re just amusing ourselves of your childish prattle, Agatha dear.

        • AgLander says:

          Hey….the good news is that now that you’ve shown that picking a president is not your strong suit, you can return to concentrating on controlling the women in your life as all good Muslim men must do to retain their macho stature among their other barbarian friends in this odd “religion” founded by a barbarous land pirate named Muhammad who wrote the creepy owners manual that is followed to the same level of violence as the year 600AD.

          • How daft and dense must you be? How many times do I have to tell you I’m not a Muslim. Just because I travel to Oman, as many Europeans do for vacation, doesn’t make me or them Muslims. Is that too hard for your tiny mind to grasp??
            Are you a child or an adult?

    • Rich says:

      HAIL HITLER!!!!
      ER…. HAIL DONALD!!!!
      [makes white power salute, wins non-college-educated white vote by 30 points]

    • latebloomingrandma says:

      You sound like a Nazi . To quote the Donald, “Sad.”

  7. AgLander says:

    It’s been gong on for several years but last night marked the official, complete and dramatic transformation of the two parties. Democrats now are clearly the part of the elites and limousine liberals along with the supper poor who they drag along every four years, issuing empty promises while stoking social unrest in return for their votes. Contrast that with the Republicans who now represent that broad and huge swath of middle class working Americans who have been severely damaged by Democrat policies, especially over the last 8 years. The proof is looking at the state by state electoral map results. Without a major reformation by the Democrat party where they begin to represent the working people of America instead of just the powerful and comfortable elites, the party may face extinction and not hold national office ever again.

    • rvn_sgt6768 says:

      I really do not think so and I show the similarities to what happened for Germany after WW! and the rise of little adolf as proof.

  8. loveofcountry says:

    Just think, no more Huma Abedin,
    no more John Podesta, Anthony Weiner emails, Bill Clinton, Valerie Jarred, Loretta Lynch. Oh what a day!

  9. TMZ1928 says:

    You tell the kids that Hillary lost because she is totally corrupt and a liar.

    • dpaano says:

      I find that hard to believe when it was proven many times that Trump lied much more during this campaign than Hillary! But, you just go on believing the BS that you’ve been brainwashed into believing.

    • It’s unfortunate that you can’t tell the difference between the lies of Trump versus cooked-up conspiracies about his opponent.

    • PrecipitousDrop says:

      How can you say that after a parade of the GOP’s best, brightest, and most committed investigators and prosecutors have spent over 25 years and $200 million tax dollars to prove otherwise?
      Was the last of them, Trey Gowdy, wrong in his conclusions, or just incompetent?

  10. Theodora30 says:

    What I find most frightening is that the FBI agents, particularly in the NY office will have no check on their partisan witch hunts with a right wing Attorney General overseeing them.

    • TMZ1928 says:

      A right wing Attorney General will prosecute criminals, whether they are Republican or Democrat. The Obama Justice Department was corrupt from day one. People like Lois Lerner and Hillary Clinton will now be prosecuted.

      • dpaano says:

        And you’re gloating about this? You should be ashamed! Lois Lerner and Hillary Clinton did NOTHING to be prosecuted for despite what you’ve been told!

        • idamag says:

          People, like him, are a threat to democracy. They are rabid ideologues who will believe the vilest lies if it agrees with their ideologies. A year from now, where will the national debt be? What will be the deficit? Will children go back to dying because their parents can’t afford $100,000 up front for needed health procedures? Will we take our military and take over Mexico to build concentration camps for Jews and Black people?

        • PrecipitousDrop says:

          Funny how retro ‘Witch Hunts’ are the new thing.
          2016 to 1692 — just like that!

    • Godzilla says:

      LOCK HER UP.

    • dpaano says:

      And, what about the IRS when they start investigating his major tax fraud as pertains to his $913B loss several years ago….is he going to “do away” with the IRS before they can get into that? I certainly wouldn’t doubt it….he’s already said he wants to change the 1st Amendment so people can sue the media if it says something they don’t like. Apparently, he doesn’t realize that it’ll take a Constitutional Amendment to do that, which is pretty difficult to get.
      He may have won the electoral college vote, but he’s still NOT the popular candidate or president-elect. He still has to deal with those of us who voted against him, and hopefully, he’ll have to deal with the Congress and many of the people there that did not want him elected. We can only hope that they will do their jobs for the American people and keep him from going overboard!

      • PrecipitousDrop says:

        Trump and his supporters are about to learn MANY things that eluded them during the campaign. Actual rule of law, for one. Overwhelming global opposition, for another. Trump is about to learn that grueling campaigns are the easiest part of his new job.

        • dpaano says:

          Yeah, he’s going to have problems trying to “con” other countries….they are so easily fooled! Actually, I think Russia and China can out-con Trump! It remains to be seen!

    • loveofcountry says:

      Do you mean that they will prosecute the witch who broke laws using a government position for her own gain while putting our country at risk?

      • rvn_sgt6768 says:

        Can you state exactly which laws (real ones now, not the kind that reside in your little hear) she has broken? If a law can not be proven broken in a court of law then it has not been broken. So given what little you really know about law and the rule of law what say ye? We are all waiting with baited breath for all these laws you know about.

  11. Jim Samaras says:

    “What do we tell the Children”? We tell them that democracy works and that DJT has the chance to be the greatest president of our time! He’ll bring this country together like never before unless you tell them to escape to their safe space and shield them from the realities of life which is what helped bring him to power in the first place.

    • latebloomingrandma says:

      I think you really mean white people, mostly men and uneducated women.

      • Jim Samaras says:

        You have YET to bloom gramma with thinking, or lack thereof, like that!

        • DennisRL says:

          don’t you have anything better to do than to come on here and hurl insults and show your lack of intelligence. Possibly it’s because, like your fearless leader, you only take pleasure from the pain of others.

          • dpaano says:

            Well, that’s probably true, but I think the pain is going to be shown to his followers as time goes on! There will come a day when they will seriously regret that they voted for him……

    • DennisRL says:

      greatest president of our time…yow, righhht. Maybe if you think that Al Capone would have been a good president. All presidents until now, whether republican or democrat, had several attributes which trump doesn’t. One is empathy for all people and two, they cared about this country. I don’t think trump cares about people or this country, only himself and that is a sad, sad thing and a disaster for a president.

      • Jim Samaras says:

        Oh, like you know huh? You don’t think? That’s obvious! Now a smart person would sit back and just SEE how he leads the country before he starts with the mouth. Why would a 70 year old BILLIONAIRE who could live out the rest of his years in peace and quiet want this job if he didn’t care about this country?

        • DennisRL says:

          What a ridiculous statement! I don’t have to sit back and ‘just see’. I know exactly why trump wanted to be president and it has nothing to do with being magnanimous or selfless and has everything to do with being an egocentric narcissist with an overblown opinion of himself. And with all people with those attributes, you’re only concerned with elevating your own self worth. What better way to do it than get yourself elected president.

          • Jim Samaras says:

            Oh, so you think you know exactly huh? I see, another clairvoyant here……here smartguy, what else are you going to do? Oh, let’s march with the know nothing little snowflakes in a few major cities and stomp our little feet….that’ll change the election process and and we’ll get what we want! You’re nuts! Now sit back, do what you can to reinforce the presidents policy and see what happens

      • dpaano says:

        You’re so right…..his only interest is money, money, money, and how he can make it! He’ll sell this country down the river without even a thought! We can say good-bye to clean air, unpolluted streams and rivers, national parks without oil platforms, and I could go on and on! He wants to do away with the EPA….the group that protects us from pollution, bad air and undrinkable water (much like in Flint). He wants to do away with some of our basic rights; i.e., the 1st Amendment. He wants to take away people’s health care insurance without a thought as to what is needed to replace it. He wants to raise taxes and take us back to the old “trickle down” economic theory, which has proven time and time again to not work! It’s pretty sad that his brainwashed followers failed to see that he is just a con man and doesn’t really care about them at all! Hopefully, this will be more apparent to them once he gets into the Oval Office!

        • PrecipitousDrop says:

          Yup. Pretty grim alright.
          Also nothing we haven’t been hearing for years. It’s threatening. Some of it might even be enacted — to our detriment.
          But, please dpaano, don’t let yourself sink into the weakened position of hopelessness. Our favored candidate did not win. The process — the hard, gritty process of effective democracy — continues.
          Our choice now is, do we support and grow fierce, merciless opposition, or do we wring our hands and cry?

          • dpaano says:

            I’m hoping that those Republican members of our Congress will follow their hearts and NOT their party and do the right thing whenever Trump tries to put through one of his ridiculous bills! Of course, nothing we can do about the executive orders! I have been feeling a bit hopeless the past several days, especially when I see the idiots that he’s putting in his Cabinet (including this sons, from what I understand). It just seems to get worse and worse as each day progresses. Also, the thought of having to look at his ugly face for the next 4 years on TV and in the newspaper is making me nauseous! I think I’ll just go back to banging my head against the wall…it feels good until I stop and see his face again!!!

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            Stop “hoping” the Republican party will do anything that benefits a citizen who is not male, white, and fabulously wealthy.
            The Democratic party has become the party of the opposition. We can meet the situation squarely and effectively, or we can be paralyzed by the shock.
            Roll up your sleeves, dpaano. It’s time to win back governors’ mansions and statehouses, the House of Representatives and the Senate. The days of lazy admiration for the remarkable Barack Obama are over.

          • dpaano says:

            I’m always on board for anything I can do to get the Democrats back into the White House…..trust me on that one!!! I’m a member of the Long Beach Democratic Club, and we’re energized!

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            GOOD! Now DO Stuff!
            One of the primary talking points to deter black and Hispanic voters was, “Democrats use you for votes, then you’re forgotten.” Obviously, it was effective.
            Prove them wrong, dpaano. What do those communities need that they’re not getting? Is it jobs? Organize resume workshops. Get people from the community colleges, and local employers, to talk about the bridges between training and income. Give some realistic (y’know, non-white) advice about student aid and financing in general. Make it free. Don’t ask for anything except — if they want to — involvement. Make damned sure everybody knows the name and contact for the Long Beach Democrats.
            Make your “ask” in two years, when US House seats turn over. In the meantime, give, give, give. Make sure your voters have an answer the next time a Republican candidate says minority communities are being “used” for votes.

          • dpaano says:

            We’re already working on all of that…..we’re preparing for the next elections in 2 years and trying to get more Democrats into the Senate and the House. It’s a long road, but we’ve been pretty pro-active with this campaign. We will just keep on going….it’s what we do best!

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            GOOD ON YA!

  12. Jon says:

    On November 12, 2012 Donald J Trump tweeted “The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy”. He was right as his campaign has proven. He is losing the popular vote meaning a minority of voters elected him. Yet you see and hear them gloating as if the democratic party was thoroughly rejected by voters. This is another example of the Republican practice of lie big and lie often. It served them well in 2016 and their post-election behavior shows they are never giving up their tried and true practice of prevarication.

    • dpaano says:

      Again, we need to take a closer look at doing away with the electoral college…we need one person-one vote put in place. The electoral college does NOT vote the way that the people vote!

      • RED says:

        I just said something about this at my work. And the first thing I got was the morons saying that we don’t live in a democracy, it’s a republic. As if a republic wasn’t a democracy. Mind boggling how stupid these people are. The next thing I got was if we didn’t have the electoral college then all the big states would have all the power. So in this argument we don’t follow a majority of voters instead we follow a majority of absolutely arbitrarily drawn lines on a map?

        • dpaano says:

          Agreed! The electoral college is a problem in many cases! As for this country, we’re now going to become a dictatorship led by the Republicans! We can only hope that the Republicans in our Congress who didn’t particular care of Trump will do their jobs for the American people and NOT just for their party! I’m skeptical that this will happen, but one can always hope!

          • mike says:

            I see you’re Still an idiot!

          • dpaano says:

            Okay, call me names…..apparently, that’s the best you can do! Why don’t you try to grow up and act like an adult rather than lowering yourself to a school yard bully? Seriously? As for being an idiot….I’m a member of Mensa, so I don’t think that “idiot” would quite describe me. My IQ is probably higher than you can count!

          • Mama Bear says:

            He thinks that his ignorance became virtuous overnight. We educated are “elitist idiots” now.

          • mike says:

            But idiot fits. To try and make the popular vote the bases for the election of president when any sane person knows it is Electoral College that determines the presidency makes you sillier than usual. Mensa only in your mind.
            Bully? LOL!

          • rvn_sgt6768 says:

            She is arguing that we need to replace the election of president from the Electoral College to a true one vote method. You are the idiot who can not see what she has argued here. She never states that the Electoral College does not elect the president but merely that we need to change it and replace it with another method. But in any case way to leap froggy.

          • mike says:

            No, she said “is a problem in many cases.” You ignore her comment that “in her mind”Hillary won because of the popular vote. Trump dictatorship? Is she nuts? Just more of her emotional diarrhea. I did like your post on democracy and republic. No, being an idiot is all hers.

          • Dan S says:

            I’d let you run this country if possible. My stepson is a Mensa member but can’t be President for another 15 years. He worked really hard working with our states Democrats skipping the fall semester where he goes to school. Name calling is all these idiots know what to do since they don’t have the intellect to debate the issues seriously. We’ll all be here posting even with Trump in the WhiteHouse. We’ll be vindicated once his supporters realize he can’t deliver on any of his promises. At least Hillary was very eloquent & gracious in her bid to be Americas first female President

          • dpaano says:

            Whenever he’s ready to run, let me know……he’ll get my vote!!!

          • PatrickHenry says:

            But we have been watching all of Hillary’s supporters “acting as adults” in the streets for days now! Guess what Ms. Elite, many of us Jethro have high IQ’s, & I had been a member of Mensa for years. Trouble with you Liberals is you looking down your nose at people with different opinions than yours. No Tolerance whatsoever.

        • leonardo311 says:

          The Electoral college give the smaller states the power. As each State has two senators regardless of population. If we keep the college than the numbers delegated to the Senate seats need to be removed.

        • Mama Bear says:

          ignorance just became a virtue. Sad, but we need to get used to that.

        • rvn_sgt6768 says:

          We live in a Democratic Republic and no they are not the same thing.

          “These two forms of government: Democracy
          and Republic, are not only dissimilar but antithetical, reflecting the sharp contrast
          between (a) The Majority Unlimited, in a Democracy, lacking any legal safeguard
          of the rights of The Individual and The Minority, and (b) The Majority Limited,
          in a Republic under a written Constitution safeguarding the rights of The Individual
          and The Minority.” from

          http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html...

          • RED says:

            There’s no point in arguing with people who have bought the Con lies, they can’t be helped. Plus we know everyone who makes your same tired ridiculous argument just desperately wants everyone to think they’re smart, likely because they are not. I’ve read the resources you and the other ignorant folks get this bs from and all it talks about and means is difference between a direct democracy and a representative democracy, both democracies. Not to mention, everyone knows already that we elect representatives in this country, so what would be your point in arguing we are not a democracy? Is it because you’re a Con and you’re trying to say something shouldn’t vote? No one has made an argument that we should be a direct democracy, only that our representatives should be selected by everyone, represent everyone, and be more responsive to people rather than donors. So if you have any sense at all quit with the tired old “we’re a Republic” bs line. Unfortunately I think most people who use this republic garbage are too far down the conspiracy rabbit hole to ever come back.

        • Dan S says:

          That about sums it up. All the power lies with the battleground states. Period

        • PatrickHenry says:

          We ARE a Constitutional Republic, not a pure Democracy, because heat of the moment fervor could lead to mob mentality & unintelligent decusions. Our system has worked well for Centuries, just because of voters unhappy with the results, doesn’t mean we change it.

      • Jon says:

        I have long believed that the electoral college has outlived the utility the framers saw in it. Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000 but lost in the electoral college. You often hear teachers and pundits say “one man, one vote” but that is not true of presidential elections. We vote to win the electoral college vote in our respective states. Another problem exists if members of the electoral college refuse to honor the popular vote in their state as 2 threatened to do in Washington,

      • Jim Samaras says:

        Without it NY, CA, FL and TX would be the only voices heard. The system has worked for over 200 years. Leave it alone

      • Dan S says:

        After 2000 I was hoping that would happen. 16 years later we get someone completely unqualified to be President with mental health issues. Michael Moore recently said that if Trump gets in he’ll be the last President this country has. With his hands on the nuclear codes that does sound plausible

        • PatrickHenry says:

          Yes, Hillary certainly proved unqualified to become President, she would have put the nuclear codes on her private server. Her very 1st. 3am phone call was to congratulate President Trump.

      • PatrickHenry says:

        Trouble with that reasoning is politicians will spend all of their money & energy on the most heavily populated cities, thereby ignoring vast areas of American people. Plus the votes from fraud & Illegals. The Electoral College was wisely created from the beginning to ensure lesser populated States had equal representation. Why each State also has the same number of Senators.

  13. idamag says:

    What do I tell my children? My children have triple digit I.Q.s. All of them are educated and well read. I don’t have to tell them that we are facing the end of democracy. We have a president who might be tied to the mob. He brags about entering teen dressing rooms and grabbing women’s crotches. Our first “lady’s” bare A is all over the internet. The spirits of our Founding Fathers are weeping. Christ is probably weeping.

    • Dan S says:

      Christ is weeping & so are a lot of Americans trying to comprehend voting for someone rejected by several members of the GOP & received no newspaper endorsements except for the National Enquirer & the KKK ????

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      • dpaano says:

        The only thing we have to cling to is that Trump did NOT win in a “landslide” as he keeps saying….he lost the popular vote by a landslide!! If it weren’t for the Electoral College, he’d be back in Trump Tower running his con games!

  14. leonardo311 says:

    Just watch Hillary’s speech . . . the real disappointment is how and why the voters are just so ignorant of history. The last time we gave Republicans ultimate control, started with the attacks on world trade center, which lead us into two wars and culminated with the worst fiscal crisis, since the last time before that, that the Republicans had control of both house of congress and the white house.

    So anyone who really believes Trump and the Republicans will “Make America Great Again” need to be prepared for a sever disappointment.

    • latebloomingrandma says:

      Not to mention an exploding deficit when republicans get in office.

      • dpaano says:

        Which is kind of funny since these same people who voted for Trump were the ones that kept harping about the rising deficit during President Obama’s administration…..not realizing that most of it was due to the past president’s unpaid for war and Medicare drug program that he didn’t pay for. Not only will the deficit go up, but the country’s debt will explode! It should be interesting watching the Republican dictatorship take this country down…..we’ll be back to where we were when Bush left…..another recession! But, they’ll learn quickly enough!

      • JPHALL says:

        Have you noticed that deficits are only important when a Democrat is president.

  15. Mama Bear says:

    Tell your children that we are all automatically enrolled in Trump University now….and it’s the greatest university on the planet, it’s gonna be great.

    • latebloomingrandma says:

      Only the rich will be able to afford college. The building of the oligarchy is on the march. Poor middle class suckers.

      • marriea says:

        Well, one can still possibly go to college.
        For most it will just take longer.
        For this reason, I suggest that anyone considering expanding into higher education, don’t focus on things that are already in play, focus on a field of study that will be prevelent and relevent in ten years. That way one can be prepared to meet that challenge when it comes up.
        In the meantime one might would have had time to get some job experience o at least have that on one’s resume’

        • dpaano says:

          Unfortunately, a lot of colleges are raising their tuitions as we speak….California State University is raising their tuitions already….I wonder what will happen with the “free college” mantra that Trump spouted briefly during his campaign??

    • loveofcountry says:

      Such anger Mama. Tell them they can start a charity as a money laundering scam, that pays for your child’s wedding, solicit donations from foreign countries while holding government office in exchange for favors, leave your country vulnerable to outside hacking of government classified information using your own private server, so you can hide your criminal activity.

      • You’re just another victim of a con artist, or merely one of his deplorable PR agents.

      • DennisRL says:

        Gee..even in victory you can’t be gracious. They just can’t help themselves from attacking Hillary even now. Speaking of gracious. Hillary’s concession speech this morning was just that. I can only imagine what we would have heard from trump had he lost. The fix was in. It was the liberal press. I demand a recount. ya-da ya-da ya-da.

        • rvn_sgt6768 says:

          Again Dennis it is all they know. They have been trying to kill Hillary for over 30 years. In their little minds if she takes a breath it must be a felony and when it is found to not be they still can’t let it go. I will tell them this you own it now, every failure is YOURS and we will hold your feet to the fire.

          • Mama Bear says:

            Isn’t it amazing how many grown men are scared to death of a strong woman. To these kinds of people it is always a zero sum game and points to their inability to grow up.

          • Dan S says:

            Now our nation is stuck with a man child who was never brave enough to serve this country or change his children’s diapers when they were babies. I didn’t realize how scared & insecure people really are. I wish I had the financial means to move faraway from the madness in the USA ????????

    • dpaano says:

      I agree!!!! I wonder what will happen if he’s found guilty in that lawsuit. Also, the IRS is doing a major investigation into his tax fraud due to his $913B loss many years ago…..he’ll probably do away with the IRS so he doesn’t have to worry about it. As for the coal miners and steelworkers….they’ve been lulled into a sense of false security. He has NO means of putting them back to work since coal is no longer a useful item in this country. Clinton had the better plan…..educate these unemployed workers into other fields so that they can grow and prosper. But, they chose to believe Trump’s lies and will regret that. Coal and oil will no longer be the currency of the land, and you won’t be able to make it so by saying it!

      • Mama Bear says:

        There is also the ominous issue of the FISA warrant the CIA got and is currently examining that pesky computer hook up between Trump and the 2 Russian banks. That warrant is never issued without a preponderance of evidence of the national security kind. That will all come to light before too long.

        • dpaano says:

          Hopefully it’ll come to light BEFORE Trump is inaugurated. Otherwise, it might disappear into wherever!

          • Mama Bear says:

            Don’t think this kind of thing can disappear, d. There is something between Trump and the Russians and the CIA had to go out to Great Britain’s intelligence community to help with it. Constant communications and conversations over these servers, and when the Trump organization was asked about it suddenly the emails stopped…and within 24 hours another IP channel was set up. There is something there that the CIA knows to be improper.

          • dpaano says:

            I wonder if we’ll hear any more about this and whether or not it’s still being investigated. It would be fun to watch Trump get impeached before he’s even inaugurated!

      • Mama Bear says:

        They chose to believe Trump because he presented the “easy way” for them. Living in northern Ohio I have seen it over and over and over. Steel mills, rubber factories, auto factories, coal mines…..those jobs went to automation, not China. All the unskilled laborers were given multiple opportunities to retrain and keep a job but most of them chose to ignore reality and refused the free training, did not put any money aside, and then one day the plants closed and they stood by the gates saying “what happened?” Those are the ignorant Trumpers that think they are going to magically get those jobs back.

        • dpaano says:

          They’ll be in the very same place….unemployed or working and making minimum wage! Or, they may have to take over the jobs that those “illegal aliens” were doing; i.e., picking fruit or vegetables, mowing lawns, cleaning houses, etc. Trump has NO way of putting these people back into the jobs that they used to have….coal and oil are no longer that necessary! I feel sorry for them…..they fed into the GOP lies and BS that was put out there by a totally unqualified individual! Hopefully, they will see the evil of their ways and figure out that they voted in the antichrist!!

        • marriea says:

          During the Clinton administration he kind of warned people that that was going to happen.
          People just don’t pay attention and won’t listen.
          He set it up for people to get free or almost free junior college.
          He caught hell from the GOP.
          Stuff didnt just happen.
          And now they go and vote a guy like Trump in office who is on the line saying that he supports the mimimun wage package we already have? because they think he is saying he will bring back jobs to this country, because what?? they are white?
          #1 Trump doen’t want the work involved in being president. He definitely ain’t no leader. Trump only wanted the status of being president, another notch on his belt to brag about.
          I don’t know know what they hear him sayi g, but what they think he was saying ain’t what he said.
          Actually other than a nunch of adjectives, he really didn’t say much.
          Just as easily as he threw blacks, minorities and othets under the bus, he will also throw his supporters under the bus. I doubt he will run again since the presidency requires work and he doesn’t like to do work.
          Remember what he said was his contribution to America after getting into the argument with the man who lost his son in Iraq.
          I built buildings.
          I don’t know what these folks were thinking..

          • Mama Bear says:

            I do recall now what you mention about what Bill Clinton tried to do. It just amazes me, too, that people hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest. The thing is, though, as we have witnessed and no doubt will continue to witness – nothing that comes out of Trump’s mouth can be taken as truth. I honestly think he has stepped over some line that allows us to distinguish reality from fantasy.

          • dpaano says:

            They weren’t thinking……either that, or they just didn’t see the con being played on them!

          • marriea says:

            As my daughter says, the long con.
            But I guess since Trump is a white man, and we all know that ‘white guys’ are always honest…..right? Especially if they are reportedly rich who has admitted openingly that it’s just business.
            Hmm, I wonder if the presidency is just business.

      • bhaggen says:

        Nonsense. There’s no “guilt” in a civil trial, only liability. Guilt refers to a criminal trial not a civil trial.

        • dpaano says:

          Apparently, his attorneys are now asking that all the MANY lawsuits against him be put off until he’s out of office in 4 years….typical!

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            Asking and receiving are two entirely different things.
            The courts of the United States of America do not grant wishes. They adjudicate our laws — on their own schedules.

          • dpaano says:

            Yes, but they could be pressured into doing what the President wants. That’s the scariest part of the whole situation.

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            How? Federal judges receive life-time appointments precisely because of changing political currents. Their duty is to the law, not to electees.

          • dpaano says:

            Let’s hope…..I would dearly love to see him lose a couple of these lawsuits!!!

  16. Robert Cruder says:

    Blacks did not respond. Surveys show a combination of apathy for a white candidate and protest especially by males against a female candidate. They can tell their children how proud they were to do so when they, a friend or a relative is denied the vote or even killed without a Federal investigation.

    Hispanics did vote in greater numbers but as many as 20% of males voted other parties to protest a female candidate. They can tell their children how proud they were to do so when they or a relative is deported.

    Millennials did not respond and those who did respond dis-proportionally voted third party, mostly to protest against the lack of Bernie. That was in spite of Bernie having recommended Ms. Clinton. As happened with Ralph Nader, they will get a world far less green than if they had compromised. They are also unlikely to receive any help on student loans or subsidized tuition. Quite the opposite since Republicans have proposed to eliminate direct loans and utilize only private banks and their private collection services. They can also tell their children how proud they were.

    Frankly, I always maximized results and never stayed home or made a protest vote in my life. Those who have done so HAVE f**ked themselves.

    • Godzilla says:

      You got more stupid excuses than brains. HRC was/is a flawed candidate with more baggage than American Airlines on a Thanksgiving weekend. Grab yourself some cheese to go with your whine!

      • DennisRL says:

        It never changes. Even in victory, the bitterness is still there. In the entire time of reading different blogs leading up to the election, I never once read anything insightful or intelligent from anyone on the right. It was always attack and ridicule. Like their leader trump, they are incapable of rising above the muck of hate filled rhetoric.

        • rvn_sgt6768 says:

          Well Dennis you just can’t fix stupid and like their president they are what they are. A cat cannot change it’s spots. What you saw is what you will get from these alt right clowns.

          • Box says:

            What a sore loser. Why dont you say something positive and healing for the country?

          • Box, I hope by now you’re satisfied with Trump’s hollow victory. Are you still worshiping at the altar of Conservatism? That is an abstract idol with no reality, just like all other political and man-made constructs.
            I invite you to open up to a Reality that transcends politics and mere lip-service to a religion.
            Which is why I’ve expended energies in informing you and others of a noble Vision—the Vision of Baha’u’llah, which itself is a continuation of the Vision of Jesus, Muhammad, Abraham, and Others like Them.

            Don’t dwell on politics and partisanship, or any other “limited” unities.

        • Dan S says:

          They’re sore winners not gracious at all like Hillary was in her concession speech

          • AgLander says:

            …you mean the one she gave the next day after leaving her supporters high and dry in the ballroom so she could go to bed while they stood there with their thumbs up their #sses wondering where she was? The sign of a leader is one who stays with the team after a setback….That little stunt perfectly encapsulates why she was not elected. She’s not a leader and thinks only about herself while everyone else is simply to be “tooled” at her pleasure.

          • Wallowing in rancor, hate, and bitterness, Agatha—are you an atheist with no sense of hope and light in your life, or some sort of pagan?
            Worshiping the false idol of Trump will get you a one-way ticket to the abyss of the Netherworld.

          • PatrickHenry says:

            Lol, that was hillarious, Podesta rushing out like a madman, lying to all of Hillary’s supporters. Bet the arguing before with Crooked Hillary & Podesta before he came out, was priceless.

          • Box says:

            Excuse me? She refused to address her crowd at all, and those were largely made up of people who sweated as volunteers for what, 18 months? I never heard of that before, and then she sends her criminal lackey Podesta instead? How shameful is that? Then the next day she concedes and can barely contain her disbelief and disdain? Her volunteer army finally got to see the real her when she didnt show up, that just says it all. Its an obligation she HAD to do and she just wouldnt. Dont try to excuse her.

          • Dan S says:

            Even in victory you just love to twist the knife. It’s not enough that HRC lost but now you have to criticize her on her concession speech. Remember your boy kept crying it’s a rigged election if he loses. And if he did there would be lawsuits & no concession ever. Enjoy it while it lasts because the next 4 years is going to be very troubling & I’m certain we’ll see new wars started under Trump

          • PatrickHenry says:

            President Trump was very gracious to Hillary, Obama & his adversaries because he wants to make OUR Country Great for ALL American Citizens. It is the “progressives” that are the Party of Division.

        • AgLander says:

          …heal thyself, and then come back and lecture us about intelligence and proper behavior you pompous ass!

          • Have you healed yourself? Why do you think you have the right to tell someone else to heal himself, when you are clearly suffering from too much ego and discontent. And your constant name-calling is a sign of being ill—only children engage in personal name-calling on a regular basis such as you do.
            I call you Agatha only because you present yourself as a woman(or wannabe woman) and you go by the name “AgLander”.

          • dpaano says:

            Aaron….he (or she) and his/her troll buddies are just grown-up bullies. I think they were probably bullied when they were in school and they’re now getting back at everyone!! By posting their BS on this website (and other websites), they think they have the upper hand. All they are doing is showing that they are immature, uninformed, and not worthy of our time or energy in responding to them.

        • Box says:

          Did you ever once read the threads in NM before the election? How many times was Aglander and others, me too, attacked and ridiculed for its own sake and not once for the sake of intelligently opposing an argument? So what are you talking about?

      • The lucky one says:

        At least the Clinton people waited until after they lost to whine. Trump whined throughout the entire campaign especially the last couple weeks.

    • dpaano says:

      Totally agree….as I said earlier, we will now become a Republican dictatorship. I think most of the people that didn’t vote thought that Hillary was a shoo-in and they didn’t have to go vote…..either that, or the polling places were too far away, required ID that they didn’t have, and any other excuse they can come up with. But, unfortunately, they’re going to find out the error of their ways after Trump decimates our government! They will no longer have the security of Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, etc. We will also be stuck with a totally conservative Supreme Court, so we can kiss Roe vs. Wade good-bye, as well as Planned Parenthood! Our deficit is going to soar with Trump’s so-called “tax plan” wherein he’s going to lower the taxes for the upper 1%, but according to economists, the poor and the middle class will see their taxes go up exponentially! I feel very sorry for these people…..but they made their beds and have to lie in them!

      • Apostol Pappas says:

        Are you serious? Why are you so negative about Trump? Try and read and watch something new. They have deceived you.

        • dpaano says:

          Because, everything that he said he was going to do will NOT be to the benefit of this entire country! Let’s see how you feel when his laws against the EPA end up polluting your water, your air, and whatever! Let’s see how you feel when prices go sky high because the people who pick our fruits and vegetables are no longer around to do so (and the average American refuses to do these types of jobs). Let’s see how you feel when your taxes go up because his economic plan to lower taxes for the top 1% will leave the poor and middle class to make up the difference. You ask why I’m so negative about Trump? Well, I could list much more, but I just don’t have the time or the energy any more! The GOP has been hoping and praying for an “imperial” presidency…..now they have it. We’ll be ruled by a conservative Republican president, a conservative Supreme Court, a conservative Congress, and conservative governors of many of our states! There is no longer any democracy in this country……it now belongs solely to the Republican conservatives! Good luck with that, okay? You, my friend, have been the one that has been deceived!

    • Mama Bear says:

      Amen, well said.

    • PrecipitousDrop says:

      I understand your disappointment, Bob, but isn’t pointing fingers and laying blame how Trump won the election?
      Those of us who did not vote for him are now the so called ‘Loyal Opposition’. If we are not loyal to each other, our opposition is weak and it will fail.
      It’s time to build a bigger, better, stronger consensus to defeat the real adversaries to every advancement we’ve made over the last eight years. We can’t do that unless we inspire, encourage and win the support of every demographic you mentioned. It’s just not a good idea to slap them first, OK?

      • Robert Cruder says:

        When I contribute to a coalition and those who primarily benefit fail to do so then I have earned the right to ask why. I am not calling people evil, only intentionally irrelevant.

        Those who participated and intend to continue doing so are certainly “Loyal Opposition”. Those who chose to be irrelevant are merely that.

        This election was driven by tribalism. Trump’s supporters believed that a policy which helps anyone else must automatically cheat them. They also believe that blacks only voted for President Obama because he was black.

        Statistics on the Democratic side do demonstrate tribalism rather than unity and appear to confirm Trump regarding blacks. They manifest a misogyny among minorities which has been intentionally ignored by the party and encouraged by their religions.

        I will continue to pursue consensus with those who support the coalition. Those who opt out of what does not favor their tribe are no different from Trump voters.

      • Box says:

        List the advancements, please.

      • PatrickHenry says:

        The election was about “rejecting” the so-called advancements over the last 8 years, why Trump won & 70% of Americans say OUR Country was headed in the wrong direction. The problem with the Democrat-Socialist Party is that in order to win elections, they have to entice many different groups of people with promises of rewards from government in return for their vote. They go about this by spreading lies about Millions of good people, & deficit spending.

        • PrecipitousDrop says:

          Let’s see how the candidate of the KKK handles lies and deficit spending, OK? His campaign wasn’t a reliable indicator.

          • dpaano says:

            When the deficit doubles and the country’s debt goes sky high, I want to see them complain as loudly as they did about the deficit when President Obama left office!!! I bet we don’t hear a word from them!

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            Nary a Peep.

          • PatrickHenry says:

            Guess your candidate is the candidate of the Communist Party then. Actually, over 70 Democrat Congressmen ARE Socialists or Communists.

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            Socialists? Probably. Cool.
            Communists? Nah. That’s your candidate, remember? Putin’s new BFF and telephone pal?

          • PatrickHenry says:

            Still hanging onto that foolish belief that Socialism works so well? “The goal of Socialism is Communism”, stated Vladimir Lenin.

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            Lenin was quite seriously wrong about many things, Patrick. I’m surprised you’ve bothered to cite him.
            Oh, wait… I forgot. You’ll quote anybody who agrees with your White Supremacist views.
            P.S. In addition to being wrong most of the time, Lenin is also quite seriously dead, y’know.

          • PatrickHenry says:

            So what, so is Adolf Hitler, whom you Liberal wackos like to compare Trump to. Guess you believe deporting criminal Illegals, helping the inner cities with jobs & better schools, having fairer trade Laws, better & more affordable health care, lower taxes, etc., is White Supremacy? Time to give up your anti-White, anti-American biases.

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            You’ve summed it up very well, Patrick.
            As a white male dissident, I fully expect to be one of the first scheduled for summary execution under the leadership you so heartily endorse.

          • PatrickHenry says:

            Good, execution will begin on Fridays at 5pm, swinging in the breeze until Sunday morning at 9am, then buried. You may have a priest, minister, or atheist of your choice present.

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            You can’t win for losing, Partick.
            Far better to be the saintly martyr, than your role as an eternally damned murderer.

          • PatrickHenry says:

            Adios!

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            Vaya con dios, hermano.

          • PatrickHenry says:

            Of course.

    • marriea says:

      No kidding

  17. Otto T. Goat says:

    We tell them the new age of Kek has begun.

    https://i.sli.mg/JAqaCs.gif

  18. We can tell our children that Americans to a large degree have devolved to the point of being a personality-worship cult, not unlike that in North Korea, or in China when Mao Tse Dung was revered as a god-like figure who would accomplish great things.

    We can tell them that something akin to a group hormonal change has occurred that causes those stricken to consider anger, fear-mongering, and bigotry to be “spiritual: virtues that surpass all other virtues. We can tell them that self-preservation trumps empathy for others and the notion of sacrifice for others—-sacrifice was an essential aspect of all of the Messengers sent by God had to endure on humanity’s behalf in one form or another. Not one of the Messengers cringed at the thought of losing a job, fret over Their wealth and property being stolen(as Baha’u’llah showed by being unaffected by loss of His possessions and being forced into exile as a Prisoner), nor did They hide from a duty to protect Their communities from the attacks of the status qup of their times or from external enemies—Trump came up with a lame excuse about bone spurs in order to avoid serving his country when called, thus allowing him to continue to make money, while artfully avoiding to pay taxes like the rest of us have to do.
    These are the sort of things we tell our children about the type of person NOT to be like, who millions look up to a person of character otherwise.

    • Godzilla says:

      The pot calling the kettle black…or what short memories

    • marriea says:

      As I read your post I thought about my childhood of long ago.
      We were poor. But I didn’t know we were poor.
      I had a roof over my head, food in my belly, clothes on my back.
      I got some of the things I wanted, but had all of the things I needed.
      Now-a-days, if one’s family can’t supply to their kids all the toys that is advertised on TV and in the newspaper, one is labeled ‘poor’ or living in poverty. We had a garden to plant things in our back yard. Nowadays, one need premission just to even plant flowers in some area.
      I suppose it because it cuts into profits of some seller of tjese products.
      But labeling of others is what causes so much crime because someone is going to feel left out.
      All the adults in my family worked at doing something.
      After my grandmother

      • Very good points you make. It’s comforting to know that America, and indeed the world, has people like you to help us move forward.

      • dpaano says:

        The funny part is that as you get older, you realize that all the crap that you have is crap that you don’t need anymore or don’t use! It’s pretty pitiful that people spend their youth buying, buying, buying, and then as they get older, they realize that their homes are full of junk that they no longer use, need, or can deal with! I’m busy trying to downsize my house….sending used clothing and bed linens, etc., to the Indians in North Dakota, giving old books and audio taped books to my local library (they have a big book sale a couple times and year, and it gives them money to make our library better), and giving canned food that we aren’t going to use to our local church pantry. Still, I have more junk than ever! It’s inevitable, but, again, as you get older, things just don’t seem as important as they used to be!

        • marriea says:

          I so agree with you.
          Years ago I used to see the splendid commericial about Georgio’s and the ‘Diamond’ series of perfume by Liz Taylors.
          Finally, I got to buy it.
          That was at least 10 years ago.
          I still have a majority of the stuff.
          And I rarely uses it, opting for the smell of a nice bubble bath with Calgon bath beads.
          At the church my daughter attends, they collect old books to send to Belize. Old clothings and toys for kids. I’m told that the people rents or purchase a large shipping container to send things in.
          The old cell phone I had, one of those flip phones, I used it until it wouldn’t work anymore.
          The one I got as a replacement, I’m constantly told I should get an update.
          Why? The one I have now is serving my purpose just fine.
          I know how to wash older things that still serve me well.
          I have no interest in buying ‘upscale’ shoes (other than New Balance) and purses, even if I had the money.
          Why would I pay thousands of dollars to advertise for some rich guy or gal who’s stuff is made in China or some other country and shipped back here to have their names attached.
          Oh well, I guess it comes with being young, but so many parents feel the need to supply their kids with the latest expensive toys, just because everyone else has it.
          If the kid is earning GREAT GRADES in schoold, then maybe. But if not, to heck with it.
          There was something written in the late 1800’s that went something like:
          Americans spend too much money they don’t have on things they don’t want, trying to impress people they don’t like.
          Nothing has changed.

  19. The double-standard and duplicity of the GOP can proceed unopposed now that the reins of power are firmly within their grasp. Imagine the hew and cry, and the protests and threats, if the other Party had achieved the same imbalance.

    No compromising will be tolerated, no consensus sought, no respect for the environment will be brooked, and affordable care will be a pipe dream for the destitute and the less fortunate barely making ends meet, and will be a benefit for the Establishment only.

    Fracking will commence full steam, with Oklahoma destined to feel far more earthquakes than they currently have. More water sources will be polluted, air quality will suffer and not remain in just one location, and food will become so expensive and of poorer quality that a “Soylent Green” solution may be the next option—soylent cookies in the shape of Trump may be the preferred snack to munch on while watching truck-smashing events.

    • Mama Bear says:

      sadly you are right.

    • Firbolg says:

      Such fear-mongering! Didn’t the Democrats control the Presidency and both Houses of Congress between 2009 and 2011? Were ‘compromise’, ‘consensus’ and ‘respect’ evident then? How soon you forget!

      • DennisRL says:

        NO. How soon you forget. Obama tried to work with the republicans on a number of issues but was repeatedly rejected. I thought it was his big mistake in getting the ACA passed. He tried to compromise to appease the republicans and the insurance companies. And once it passed the republicans criticized it adnausium and then refused to do anything to fix the kinks in it because they wanted it to fail.

        • marriea says:

          If and when Trump abolishes AHC, then what will these haters do?
          Do without?
          I admit I had doubts about the healthcare plan initially, but thete were many people who had absolutely nothing.
          I had a very close associate who died because of no healthcare.
          It seems that people are more determined to try and make the president irrelevant as a president than accept anything he has tried to do for this country.
          One has to be a hateful idiot to die from thrist rather than accept water from this what? black guy.
          The president don’t care. He and his family is secure in their lives regardless.They don’t seemingly care about props.
          His family knows who they are.
          The Obamas has more character and class in their toenail chippings than Trump has in this entire body.
          But just give it time. The folks who overwhelmingly voted for him will be greatly disappointed in the long run.
          So let them enjoy their bliss.
          In a way, I’m almost glad he won.

          • dpaano says:

            I agree….they are going to find out, as I’ve said before, that most of what Trump promised will NOT get accomplished. He’s already backing away from his promise to do away with Obamacare completely, to build a wall along the Mexican/American border, to do away with some of the trade agreements, and I could go on. We’ll be seeing another recession within the next year or so….hopefully, they will be the ones suffering the most!

        • dpaano says:

          The ONLY reason they rejected it was because Obama was the one that was championing it. The ACA was a product of the Republican party, but they did nothing about it until President Obama resurrected it and got it passed! Again, the fact that it was brought up by President Obama is the ONLY reason that the Republicans made such a big stink about it!

        • PatrickHenry says:

          Obama & the Democrat-Socialist Party rammed through Obamacare in the middle of the night without ANYONE in Congress knowing what was in it. It is an extremely costly, failed program. How soon you forget.

      • Dan says:

        Republicans submitted 200 amendments to the Affordable Care Act which were voted into the bill.

        Republicans were in everyone of the thousands of hours of public hearings, coast to coast, Niagra Falls to El Paso, Texas.
        Republicans sat in at the committee table at every session and were accorded every courtesey.
        Compare that to the North Carolina HB2, presented by the Republicans on the floor of both houses, without ever being heard in committee, ramrodded through without debate or discussion. From first introduction, passage in both houses, final printing and signing by DixieCrat/GOP Gov. Cow Patty Cake McCrory — 12 hours.

        Where was the “respect, “Compromise, “Consensus” that day.
        In addition to the absurd “bathroom law” in Section One, Section Two imposed N.C. Legislature’s absolute control over every governmental unit in the state — Towns, cities, Counties, special districts, etc.
        ABSOLUTE, TOTAL CENTRAL CONTROL OVER EVERY ASPECT OF NORTH CAROLINA LIFE.

        Without discussion, debate, consensus, compromise or respect for anyone. That’s GOP rule.

        • marriea says:

          I just read that McCrory is trailing in his bid to retain his seat in N Carolina. even though further counting is from an area that’s mostly Democratic, he refuses to concede and is possibly going to request a recount.
          As it stands now, most state heads are GOP.
          It is my hope that as future elections come into play, folks will be disgusted enough with the election of Trump that they take a page out of the GOP playbook and go far out to change that tide.
          In 24 months the midterm elections are due in which some Senate seat and congressional seats are up for reelection.
          It is my hope that those protesting the Trump ‘win’, use that protesting energy to vote in state elections and
          Congressional elections to at least gain the majority in the House and Senate on the National Front and also at state levels since Trump is advocation putting national laws that benefit us all, back in the hands of the state.
          Another thing that caught my attention is even while Trump is President, he can still work in his present position at Trump Corp.
          I would have thought of that as a conflict of interest, because now he can sign laws that benefit his private entity.
          Ain’t that a kick in the pants especially as he talked about Hillary Clinton and her charity.
          It seemed that other offices can’t do so, but Trump can and it listed Cheney as being able to do so while vice president.
          The only thing I can say is get even, not mad.
          The Dems have got to start thinking of the big picture but start with little things.
          I implore everyone to make it our business to start at the mayors office, the state legislatures and governors seats and then Congress.
          We need to read up on our laws and see how they work and what we can do to help ourselves.And I pray that as we make gains that benefit us, we dismiss any in -fighting about who the leader is. We need to just be calm and keep our eyes on the prize.If we don’t, the day after the electon in 2 years and 4 years we will be back lamenting our loss, just as we are now.
          The GOP is not smarter than we are, but they are better at exploiting our disconnect.
          UNITY IS THE ANSWER. NOTHING ELSE WILL SUFFICE

          • dpaano says:

            Fortunately, by the next election of Senators, etc., people will realize that the person they voted for is a bloviating idiot and can’t make good on most of his so-called “promises.” Then, and only then, will we see some changes being made. We can only hope!

          • PatrickHenry says:

            We have already seen the Changes from the last year, why 70% of the Country said the Country is headed in the wrong direction. Why Trump is new President.

          • marriea says:

            Well, it’s only 24 months away for some Senators. Like Mitch McConnell.
            But it will only happen if DEMS, Progressive, Independents and folks who have come to the realization that they were had.
            The earmarks of a good con is to know your mark.
            But the funny thing is (maybe not so funny), is that Trump conned himself into the presidency without fully recognizing THE JOB is really a job.
            He’s never really had to work in his life and now he will have to.
            I don’t know if he is sincerely up to the work.
            Now that he has gotten his bragging rights,I doubt that he will run again.
            And he is on record as saying that MIke Pence will be doing most of the work as far as governing is concerned.
            But the matter of jbs he said he was going to produce, they won’t be that forecoming.
            Oh sure there will be some job production, but most jobs now require some certfication that one is qualified to do the jobs.
            It’s not like once before when there was on the job training.
            And those coal mines, they are slowly but surely becoming obsolete. Just like anything else.
            We don’t have stage coaches anymore, the pony express,. They have computerized machines that build things, and simple carpentry is now classified as contruction engineer.
            Engineering requires certifications and that requires schooling.
            Maybe these guys will get it one day.

          • dpaano says:

            I agree….there was an article in the LA Times this morning that basically said that his promise to get their jobs back is not possible. Even if they bring companies back from China or wherever, the jobs are not the same as they used to be…..they are more technical. Hillary had wanted to get funds from the Congress to retrain these people, but apparently, they didn’t think about this. There is no longer the old “assembly line” type of jobs….it’s all computerized, robotized, and very technical. Without the proper education, they won’t get their jobs back no matter how much Trump promised them…..they aren’t going to be happy when they find this out….the ultimate con job!!

  20. The bats of darkness are out in full force, and the crows of baseness are exulting with great delight, unwary of what waits ahead. And so, we should allow them free rein to exercise their passions and vent their delight in another phase of America’s demise about to begin.

    With that in mind, they and others who think only of short-term gains should consider
    the following:

    “O Children of Negligence! Set not your affections on mortal sovereignty and rejoice not therein. Ye are even as the unwary bird that with full confidence warbleth upon the bough; till of a sudden the fowler Death throws it upon the dust, and the melody, the form and the color are gone, leaving not a trace. Wherefore take heed, O bondslaves of desire!” —Baha’u’llah

  21. the actual Bajmahal says:

    What will we tell our children? I don’t know… what did the Germans tell their children… maybe we should research this.

  22. PrecipitousDrop says:

    We tell our children the truth, Mr. Conason.
    We tell them that everyone fails about as often as we succeed. If our children are specific about the things Trump has said or done, we tell them those things are harmful — they are examples of Trump’s failures. We tell them that they, our little children, have better sense that.
    But, mostly, we tell them that we love them, and we both must work hard every day so they grow up bright, strong, and resilient in a chaotic, often confounding world.

    • loveofcountry says:

      It has became less confusing, as we have elected a leader who will protect our constitutional rights.

      • PrecipitousDrop says:

        In a previous post, you identified yourself as Muslim, country.
        As a citizen, YOUR constitutional rights are questioned by the Republican party. One of the goals of their 2016 platform — and of Vice President-elect Mike Pence — is to declare Christianity is the ‘national religion’. How does that fit into your interpretation of the Constitution’s clause on religious freedom?
        What of Trump’s repeated pledge to “Ban All Muslims”? In the eyes of his supporters, you are a ticking terrorist time bomb. They’re convinced that your religion requires you to kill.

        • loveofcountry says:

          I have not seen or read anywhere that Trump will declare Christianity the national religion. As far as banning all muslims. There may be terrorists, coming into our country, and I want the country to protect me and vet these people. Why is there a problem with this?

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            Reread my post, country. The Republican party advocates Christianity as our national religion in the platform they ratified during their 2016 convention. Supportive Christian political leaders refer to it as ‘dominionism’,

          • loveofcountry says:

            America was founded as a Christian nation. Why does that scare you?

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            It doesn’t scare me because the United States was not “…founded as a Christian nation.” The founders specifically separated our government from religion. Please refer to the US Constitution, First Amendment:
            “Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof…” None of the founding documents makes any reference whatsoever to Jesus, or Christ.
            What scares me, is the stated goal of the Republican party to establish a theocracy. We are a secular nation, accepting of any religion — or none at all.

          • loveofcountry says:

            No where has the Republican Party said they want to create a state religion. They don’t want to remove “In God we trust”.

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            Refer to these items in the 2016 Republican Party platform: https://www.gop.com/platform/we-the-people/ At the top. click on The First Amendment: Religious Liberty.
            The clause of the Platform calls for:
            — Install the biblical 10 Commandments in public areas “as a reflection of our history and our country’s Judeo-Christian heritage…” We are a nation of immigrants, country. We are a nation of many diverse histories and heritage traditions that are not reflective if Judeo-Christian ideologies. This clause continues:
            — “…and further affirm the rights of religious students to engage in voluntary prayer in public school events and to have equal access to school facilities,” In this context, these “religious students” are reflective of “Judeo-Christian heritage”, the “equal access” is equality to any school board or publicly funded institution that may limit or deter Judeo-Christian activities om school premises.
            Finally, the Platform continues:
            — ” We assert the First Amendment right of freedom of association for religious, private, service and youth organizations to set their own membership standards.” Schools and publicly funded campuses require inclusive “membership standards” that do not discriminate based on race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.,.

            These, and the Republican party’s other platform positions to require bible study (not any other holy book) in public schools, abstinence-only sex education (not education based on medical and behavioral science), and the elimination of federally funded medical research of human stem cell research or fetal tissue research — even though this type of research developed the polio, measles, and Hepatitis A vaccines — are how the platform proposes to require Christian religious practices to supercede the authority of our secular federal government.

          • dpaano says:

            It appears we’re going backwards instead of forward, which we HAD been doing under President Obama. I’m not looking forward to the next 4 years and the prospect of another recession!

          • Lynda Groom says:

            Perhaps you are not aware of the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797 and signed by President John Adams. Article II of that treaty.

            ‘As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Relligion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, and as the State never have entered into any war or act of hostiility against any Mehomitan nation, is is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmoney existing bewteen the two countries.”

          • Dan says:

            The Constitutional “Freedom of Religion” was established before the United States was created.

            If you want to live in an absolutely religious state, apply for immigration to the Vatican.

          • FireBaron says:

            Or they can go to Saudi Arabia. It has pretty much the same rules they want to apply. Just substitute “Muslim” or “Islam” for “Christian” or “Christianity”!

          • loveofcountry says:

            Just want to live in a country where there is freedom of religion, Dan,
            Not freedom from religion.

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            I prefer the country we have, so-called “loveofcountry”.
            It provides both.
            We are a nation of laws, not religion.

          • FireBaron says:

            Actually, it wasn’t. It was founded on the Masonic principles of brotherhood and equality.

          • So, now you’ve switched on your “Christian” switch, after falsely identifying yourself as a Muslim.
            Let’s examine your assertion. Is displacing the indigenous people from their lands and herding them onto reservations a Christian concept? Is the implementation of slavery in order to further develop this artificial construct of “America” a Christian ideal?
            Once you understand how the nation was founded and on what basis it was established, then you’ll be able to say something intelligent about what is transpiring and why. Also, you need to become familiar with Christianity and its principles, because you’re out in left field.

          • loveofcountry says:

            Read Jarred Diamond’s book “Guns, Germs and Steel concerning the Indians. News flash, slavery had been going on for thousands and thousands of years and way before America was ever created. We are the only nation on earth that had a civil war to abolish it.
            As far as being a Muslim, why does it offend you so, if I see reality and acknowledge that America was founded on Judeo/Christian ideals.

          • You’re not a Muslim, first of all, otherwise you would have shown some knowledge of the Religion.
            As for slavery, we all know it has been around for centuries, so what’s your point?
            If you would take the time to read a variety of books, and not just one, you’d know that human race is one family, originating in Africa and spreading out from there to the rest of the world. If you were more diligent about gaining a wider scope of knowledge you would have by now gained more intelligence and insight about “The Oneness of God”, “The Oneness of Religion”, and “The Oneness of Humanity”.
            Unfortunately, the only oneness you know is the oneness of “Whiteness”, and the oneness of the “Red Zone” in America—a very limited concept of Oneness.

            Maybe someday, you’ll understand what I’ve just said, and not cling to your stifling concept of the real world, and that “the earth is but one country, and humankind its citizens”.
            That’s a quote from Baha’u’llah, and I recommend that you reflect on it and on His Message.

            (see http://www.bahai.org for a good place to start)

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            Thanks, Aaron, for maintaining some sense of balance in these disorienting times.

          • Dan says:

            With the Constitutional GUARANTEE of “Freedom of Religion” — How does any restrictive section of any political party’s blatherings trump the Constitution.
            Be assured it it comes to defending a party platform or the Constitution — Your B.S. loses in a heartbeat with me.

          • That’s because you don’t know the platform of the GOP. Take some time out to educate yourself beyond the narrow confines of love of country. Is it possible for you to expand your myopia to view the entire world as one country?
            This is what Muhammad prepared the Muslims for, by first introducing them to the concept of ummah. Now Baha’u’llah tells us, in continuing the paradigm that Muhammad is a part of, that the time has come to step up to the highest form of unity on the planet, while you continue to be mired in the past and think only in terms of nationalism.
            Fortunately, many Muslims aren’t brainwashed by America’s provincialism like you are.

          • Dan says:

            The minimum “Vetting” for any Middle Eastern immigrant enter the U.S. involves 18 months, absolute revelation of every moment of the applicant’s life and all relatives and associates.

            Interrogations — rarely more than 100, never less than a dozen.
            That goes for the interpreters who crawled through bullets for two years aiding our troops and for refuge Syrian Christian doctors who fled after having two of their children gutted before their mother to force her into giving up her husband.

            While here sharing Donald Trump’s “draft dodging” status, we have ol’ Love of Country eager to deprive everyone’s rights to life, liberty and any hope for happiness, simply because of an infantile fear.

      • Trump doesn’t know what the constitution is, aside from having heard someone mention it in a conversation. Are you so daft as to think that Trump has an educational level beyond high school and is aware of the contents of the constitution? A Muslim parent had to remind Trump that Donald knew little about the constitution.

        “It has became…”? We have a winner who can’t sit still, or follow a conversation for more than two minutes without fidgeting and having his mind wander—clearly not the sign of a leader but more like a cub scout.

      • Dan says:

        With or without K.Y.?

      • TiredOfTheHaters says:

        Our constitutional rights to be groped, attacked and deported?

        • loveofcountry says:

          Who is groping you, attacking you or deporting you?

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            Please review Trump’s Access Hollywood tape (Groping).
            Also, his speeches: 2/1/16, “Knock the crap out of them. I’ll pay your legal fees,” 2/22/16, “I’d like to punch him (rally protester) in the face,” 3/1/16, “Get em out (rally protesters). In the old days, they’d be taken out on a stretcher.” (Attacks)
            And, Trump has made 51 speeches repeating his pledge for mass deportation of Hispanic and Muslim residents, including their children born in the United States. (Persons born in the United States are citizens, BTW)

      • “loveofcountry”—sounds like an outdated country song recorded near the turn of the 20th century. Speaking of outdated, you’re sounding like a broken record in your obsessive and juvenile “love of country” mantra. You need some new tunes—the ones you’re playing are outdated and tedious.

        You may not know this, but in this century we’ve moved beyond the narrow confines of nationalism, and have embraced a wider perspective. That is, that the earth is but one country, and humankind its citizens.

        “Protect our constitutional rights, Protect our constitutional rights, Protect our constitutional rights, Protect our constitutional rights…” (sung to the tune of ‘The Battle Hymn of the Repubic’).

    • dpaano says:

      And, in the meantime, we pray that this president doesn’t ruin what this country has built over the past 8 years!

      • PrecipitousDrop says:

        We can be assured that every advancement will be challenged. If we are unsuccessful, some will be overturned — but not all of it.
        It’s time to for vigilant devotion and fierce resolve. Any lesser effort is failure.

        • dpaano says:

          Interestingly enough, I read an article in today’s L.A. Times that states that Trump’s promise to the Rust Belt of putting them all back to work is a bunch of BS and is impossible. First of all, even if he DOES bring jobs back to the U.S., most of these jobs are computerized, robotic, etc., and the people who will be hired will have to be trained in these areas. This is what Hillary was stating she wanted to do….she was going to ask for money to help train people who were out of work so that they could function in the new manufacturing environment. Wait until Trump’s followers find out that his so-called “promise” to get their jobs back is not going to be totally possible. So, unless they are willing to go back to school and learn how to function in this new computerized world, they are going to be in the same boat they are currently in and nothing Trump can do will change that! Pretty sad that they never realized that most of his promises were rainbows and not possible.

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            Aww, dpaano! You’re telling the Upper Midwest there really ain’t no Pie In The Sky? Bummer!
            I guess they’ll be on the Alternate Route to Make America Great Again, huh?

          • dpaano says:

            Definitely…..they’ve been conned by the ultimate con man and they don’t even realize it!

  23. itsfun says:

    We tell them that America is no longer for sale to the highest bidder. You tell them you don’t have to be a professional politician to be successful.

  24. TMZ1928 says:

    Tell the children that Hillary didn’t win the election because most of the voters in this country are not okay with someone who commits a long list of federal crimes and then lies about it.

  25. bhaggen says:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b87965293238461829b2628f7da83ff2c807fbfa66946c65a287c8963c3dc8d.jpg Just assure the children everything’s OK…..The wicked witch is DEAD & her rapist warlock husband, that spewed his man-sauce all over a young impressionable girl’s dress in the oval office, is now senile.

    • Two numbskulls competing with Trump for the vulgarity award. What a pathetic pair of so-called women. It’s easy to see what runs through their minds much of the day.

      • InformedVoter says:

        Sorry Aaron, these women don’t follow the same religion that you do. They recognized that HilLIARy condemned the women raped by Bill. They also know that those accusing President Trump have been proven to be lying. They also acknowledge that Bill should have been arrested for sexual harassment and not only removed from office, but done prison time. Yet you continue to show that your religion is the one of hate.
        What do you tell your kids? Try telling them the truth. That the 8 years of Obama have been an economic tragedy. That he’s put race relations back 65 years. That he’s done everything possible to strip our country of religions (except for your screwed up one). People have had this fill of PC, common core, etc. Those programs have failed miserably.

    • Dan says:

      LEGAL DEFINITION — Above photo — Proof of pre-frontal lobotomies’ impact upon political expression.
      LEGAL DEFINITION — Donald Trump — Vulgarian with Romanian Mistress/Wife.

    • Dan S says:

      You are truly vile & disgusting ????

    • TiredOfTheHaters says:

      The “deplorables” word doesn’t even cut it for you and people like you and those two women.

      • bhaggen says:

        Speaking of deplorables, how about these two? Did Bill beat them with the ugly-stick? Yikes. No more Bushes, or Clintons please! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/15f096a93a9a9cc22b0c0692e3b65b2f92d51778f8291bbb42dfb087ca2e3fda.jpg

        • Your deplorable outlook is the product of a depraved mind, constantly intent on maintaining tension. There’s a penalty for this sort of behavior in the next world. But of course, you have no fear or apprehension of the possible consequences of your behavior.

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            Aaron!
            Take a breath.
            The election is over. The candidate of the RNC and KKK won.
            This isn’t the end of anything. It is a disappointing development.
            Walk it off, Aaron. Walk it off.
            We’re still here. Let that sink in. We’re Still Here, dammit!
            We’re the opposition, the resistance.
            It’s time to work on our motto, y’know, E Pluribus Unum? Time to get together. Time to do the slow, hard work of building a party — and putting up candidates — that will bring back the voters temporarily lost to the winning candidate.
            We MUST re-install Democratic Governors and state houses, restore Democratic majorities to the House and Senate. In short, we must do exactly what the Republican party has been doing while we’ve been lazily adoring the remarkable Barack Obama.
            Our party has neglected its base.
            It’s time to take our party back.
            I’m looking forward to the 2018 midterms.
            You in?

          • Yes, the election is over but the ghosts of hate, bigotry, etc. remain from one election season to the next. There is a lot to be said to help alter the course America has embarked on for centuries. And electing a new President is never the solution to exorcise these demons of our own making.
            Besides, writing keeps me from building up harmful toxins which can take a toll. It may help others from turning to anarchy in the streets as well.

          • dpaano says:

            As with most Trump followers…..they seriously need to grow up!

        • dpaano says:

          Apparently, you aren’t aware that Trump may have won, but he didn’t win the popular vote, which is the one that truly counts! He won ONLY because of an Electoral College that needs to be seriously overhauled! In the last several years, the Electoral College has allowed 4 candidates to be president despite the fact that they seriously failed when it came to the popular vote! This is NOT what the majority of this nation voted for!

          • kep says:

            Having the votes of illegal aliens and dead people does not really count as popular vote, does it? Why is it that the Emperor, on camera, instructed an illegal alien how to commit voter fraud, and he faces no charges? Maybe because we have a corrupt government where the ruling class believe that they are above our Constitution and laws?

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  27. FireBaron says:

    Joe, like I told my 14-year-old daughter. We have overcome much in the past. As long as the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th and 14th Amendments are NOT overturned, we will be able to overcome what happened.

  28. planetc says:

    Tell the children that this country was founded on racism and sexism and xenophobia, and that on 11/8/16, those mental warps combined with a peculiarity of our election system to produce the apparent election of Donald J. Trump. Tell them that smarter men, probably men, will actually run the country (if he actually gets sworn in) while Mr. Trump is restricted to appearing on ceremonial occasions. We have had such presidencies before, for Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. You will have to explain racism, sexism, and xenophobia, or course, but I’m confident that as soon as you do, the children will recoil in horror, and vow to direct their own votes in the direction of the long arc of history, which bends toward justice. Tell the girls that they are easily smart enough to figure out how to hit the target, and the boys that they are easily brave enough to help the girls win.

  29. Louis Allen says:

    Any of you corrupt liberal hacks out there in this crazy libtard cesspool has seen my crazy ex-wife Lenore Whittaker lately??
    She is NOWHERE to be found after her corrupt “leader”, Hil-LIAR-y, took the beating of a lifetime.
    Lenora, I am back.
    I know, I know, I know, dear, that you have always denied that we were husband and (loony) wife for 3 years, but it is true even though I often find myself trying to forget how awful a wife you were.
    Lenora, dear, let me inform you about the sign over the main entrance to the Leavenworth (that’s Kansas, Lenora, another state won by PRESIDENT Donald J. Trump!) Federal Penitentiary. It says, in big BOLD letters: “WE ARE READY FOR HILLARY”
    Eat your (non-existent) heart out, Lenore !
    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaa!!!!!
    Louis

  30. TiredOfTheHaters says:

    We can tell our children now that we have a racist sexist baboon for president elect, it’s really ok to be labeled as a murderer if you’re an immigrant, treated as a criminal if you’re a powerful female, and discriminated from renting if you’re of color. That’s what. Then they would be better prepared when they actually see and experience that turmoil which would result from his presidency. We cannot sugar coat it even though we want to. But we can physically protect them as much as we can.

  31. LaProgressive says:

    Show them this feed . . . .tell them not to be like these people.

  32. We also need to tell our children that the political system in America has devolved to the point of a “zero sum game”, with the idea that an adversarial approach to problem-solving where one side is constantly trying to gain an advantage over the other is the object of life here.

    And that this approach will persist as long as there are labels and the persistent perception that this is a game to the death, with “Reds” against “Blues”, and other minor players, competing for the spoils of a hollow victory.

    • dpaano says:

      And, as long as we have an Electoral College!

      • kep says:

        So, liberals are for stripping away the voice of all those that do not live in urban liberal strongholds? Not surprising. Liberal endgame is to see America a soviet style communist state where the liberals are the ruling class, getting rich off of the country while all the rest starve.

        • PrecipitousDrop says:

          Oh fergodssake, kep.
          Every time you post, I think you just can’t get any more wrongheaded.
          And then you dig a little more and find a new depth of ignorance.
          Amazing.

          • kep says:

            Popular vote would place all the power to elect into the hands of urban areas. That is why there is an electoral college. Every area of the country gets equal representation instead of just the major urban, highly populated areas.

          • PrecipitousDrop says:

            US House districts are based on population, and are drawn to equalize rural and urban areas.
            Every state has two Senators, regardless of population.
            The United States is the only democracy in the world that dilutes the power of the popular vote to elect its leader by imposing an artificial Electoral College. It’s time for the Electoral College to go the way of the dinosaur.

  33. InformedVoter says:

    I’d say “try telling them the truth”. That the 8 years of Obama saw race relations revert 65 years. That the economy is in shambles. That folks are fed up with political correctness, common core school teachings, the removal of all religions except Islam from society. President Trump has been proven correct on his comments about illegals and crime rates.
    Talk to Germany or other European countries about how the Muslims have come in and destroyed their cultures and wrecked havoc on their economic systems as these immigrants want free medical care and food, yet refuse to learn the native language or assimilate into their new country. BREXIT was a rebuke against wanton immigration, not a vote of hate.
    The Lame Stream Media can blame only themselves. They have tried to paint President Trump as an evil person and so they’re the ones responsible for making folks afraid. Yet they ignored all the serious crimes HilLIARt and Bill have committed. Those who claimed President Trump sexually assaulted them have been recanting their stories. Where are the headlines showing that?
    So parents should tell their kids the truth … that a non-criminal was elected president by an informed electorate. When the new year comes and charges get filed against HilLIARy, look for the Clintons to flee the country to a place that doesn’t have extradition with the USA. They’ve already begun moving money there. So what will the LSM claim then, that the Clintons are doing what all those Hollywood celebrities said they would do if Trump won.
    JUST TELL THE KIDS THE TRUTH!

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  35. PatrickHenry says:

    Tell the kids to quit breaking windows, setting fires, burning American flags, flying Mexican & Communist flags & hurting people. Tell them to chill out, get a job, respect others & get back in school. Tell them they have been deceived by the Democrat-Socialist party, professors & media. Tell them to get a life & grow up.

    • If that’s all you tell or told your children, then I doubt if they will be able to find a way to communicate effectively with others who look and think differently than they when they grow up. Your children may grow up like you, with an invisible wall around them which says “Stay Back—I am not like you. I am like my dad, Patrick, only, and like his circle of friends”.
      Is that the way you perceive humanity, your fellow brothers and sisters, Patrick? That’s the image Trump projects. Does that projection square with what Jesus taught?

      • PatrickHenry says:

        My children have grown into very responsible persons, raising great families, & have very good jobs & income. They hadn’t any White privlege, worked their way up without ANY government help, stayed out of trouble, & worked at many jobs to pay for their education, which they paid back. One child didn’t go to collegs, he went to a Technical College, became a Seebee in the March to Baghdad under heavy fire, to become a highly paid & qualified Electronic Troubleshooter for a large corporation. We very much are Christian.

        • marriea says:

          Why is it that having govt help is used as a put down.
          If your family have been lucky like that, then count your blessing.
          Many in this country don’t and they aren’t all black, minorities, or others.
          So those students who are protesting are merely saying help me.
          We all need it every now and again, and it shouldn’t matter how one pays homage.
          The creator don’t care how one approches Him/Her or It as long as one does so with humble sincerity.

          • PatrickHenry says:

            It wasn’t “luck” that my family is sucessful. And it certainly wasn’t luck for me. Government quotas actually kept me from my desired career. People like me, as most all Conservatives, want prosperity for all American Citizens. The government doesn’t give us prosperity, but their policies are supposed to create conditions of a healthy economy so all can strive to their goals. Big difference than guaranteed income equality. We give others a hand, not a hand-out, but temporary, not permanent dependence. We all have God given talents, but that doesn’t guarantee prosperity.

          • marriea says:

            Mr. Henry,
            I share your assessment and I’m a liberal.
            I believe that one should be open and realistic about setting one’s goal and that the words life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness should be availabe for everyone.
            However I do take exception when it implied that all people would end up ‘blessed’ like your family if they only did as your family.
            There are many reasons why that doesn’t happen for everyone.
            And for those people, there should be programs available to help them them succeed in their endeavor.
            You say that our govt is supposed to create policies that provide condition

        • You say your children are responsible, stayed out of trouble, have good jobs, worked their way up without government help, etc—is that how you define success? Are those the major benchmarks you use to define success?
          All you’ve cited are materialistic benchmarks defining success, especially among those who are fortunate to have an advantage right from the start because of skin color. For such, it becomes easy to overlook that implicit advantage, and then look around at others and in a haughty manner deign to criticize. Is that a Christian value, or are you making up “Christian” values that don’t conform with what Jesus taught.

          If you would take the time to stop being so critical and not be someone who defines success by material achievements, you would stop and say “What have I, or my children, done to promote unity and harmony in society?” Or “What has Trump and the status quo in America done to enhance quality of social interactions between humans?”

          By saying you’re Christian, yet overlooking Trump’s egregious behavior, for example, you’re contradicting what you claim to believe in. So, before you post, think about whether your comments conform to what Jesus taught. And you may want to compare what you’ve posted in the past with the numerous quotations I’ve cited from the Writings of Baha’u’llah.

          The Standard for success, as defined by Jesus, Baha’u’llah, Muhammad, and the Other Messengers, is the true yardstick of success—not what the GOP, Donald, or material gain defines as success.

          • PatrickHenry says:

            I see you left out the mention of us being responsible, serving our Country, working hard & sacraficing for decades, & being Christian. That is the key to a successful life, not constant whining & blaming others.

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