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Friday, September 30, 2016

Words Matter: ‘Legitimate Rape’ Equals ‘Voter ID’

Please get it straight: the concern is about “polling place Photo ID restrictions” not “Voter ID”.

I’ve tried to warn progressives about this for years, to little avail, but discussing concerns about “Voter ID” is akin (pun intended?) to talking about “Legitimate Rape”.

After all, everyone is against “legitimate rape”! But using that phrase, as most instinctively seem to understand, allows for the misleading subconscious notion idea that there is some other kind of rape that is less “legitimate”.

In the same way, “Voter ID” is quite reasonable sounding — after all, who could be against the reasonable sounding idea of identifying oneself before voting? — but Republican-enacted polling place Photo ID restrictions are a different matter all together. Republicans know that very well, even if Democrats still can’t seem to get it.

Both phrases, “Legitimate Rape” and “Voter ID”, each reasonable sounding enough, miss the point and are tremendously misleading. Republican vote suppressors know that, so they love it when Democrats and progressives and voting rights advocates use the phrase “Voter ID” instead of “polling place Photo ID restrictions.”

The fact is, the majority of states already require some form of reasonable identification of voters before voting, at least at the polling place. For that matter,federal law — the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) of 2002 — already requires“Voter ID” in all 50 states when voting for the first time at the polling place, if the voter did not register in person and present ID at that time…

So long as there are plenty of ways to identify oneself — bank statement, utility bill, paycheck stub, driver’s license, signature matching, even a signed affidavit (or, if the vote suppressors weren’t just pulling a scam here, they’d suggest a cell phone photo taken of voters who can’t present any ID at the time of voting) etc. — “Voter ID” in and of itself isn’t really a problem.

It is the restrictive, narrowly tailored state-issued Photo ID requirement restrictions at the polling place which are a problem, since some 22 million — disproportionately Democratic-leaning — legal voters in America, simply do not possess the type of ID required to vote under these new, GOP-enacted disenfranchising restrictions. And Republicans know it.

Here’s just one example. In South Carolina, it has already been the law, for years, that voters present Voter ID before voting at the polling place. The state’s already very strict law had required one of three types of ID be presented: 1) A state-issued drivers license, 2) A state-issued photo ID card, or 3) A voter registration card as sent to each voter by the county. The state’s new Republican-enacted polling place Photo ID restriction law simply attempted to take away that third option, the voter registration card. (And, thankfully, that new restriction has been blocked, for now, as it was found to violate the federal Voting Rights Act, since it disproportionately disenfranchises African-American voters, according to the state’s own data.)

  • Voter suppression tactics reached a new level when a “judge” in Texas predicted civil unrest and, possibly, a civil war if President Obama is re-elected. Perhaps not surprisingly, the ultimate expression of divisiveness does not seem to be enough to stop Tea Party brain dead enthusiasts from claiming Democrats are trying to divide the nation. In addition to not having a clear understanding of the implications of what they say, their interpretation of divisiveness seems to be limited to anything that challenges their divine agenda or any obstacle to their ability to win. Well, at least Murdouch had the courage of articulating their expectations when he said that the only compromise he would accept would be Democrats embracing the GOP agenda. Terms such as plutocracy fail to describe what passes for freedom and democracy in the GOP; old fashioned dictatorship is a lot closer to reality.

    • montanabill

      Have you noticed which candidate is using divisiveness? Is it really voter suppression to require proof of being alive or citizenship to vote? Do you have a modicum of common sense?

      • Never had to do it before now, repub gust got trough a primary season WHY didn’t they do it in their primaryY

      • Yes Montana, I noticed which party is using divisiveness, and you have to go no further than the one that is insinuating civil war, the ultimate manifestation of divisiveness, to know which one it is.

        • montanabill

          Would that be the civil war between rich and poor, or the one between women and men, or the one between black and white, or the one between latinos and everyone else, or the one between union workers and everyone else, or the one between those who want the Constitution followed and those that see it as a ‘suggestion’, or the one between small business entrepreneurs and government, the war between those of religious faith and those who have different beliefs?
          It is the President who is sowing the seeds of discontent simply because he cannot run on his record or agenda. I really don’t blame the Democrat party, except that too many are following his lead.

  • WhutHeSaid

    Only bigots and cheats support these laws.

    • montanabill

      So it is ok with you if millions of illegal aliens vote?

      • grammyjill

        There is NO voter fraud. Get that through your head. everyone who votes HAS TO show proof of who they are when they register to vote. Then they get put on the voter rolls. I don’t need to show ID every time I go to vote because I’ve been on the rolls for years. The new voter supression laws are there to try to make it impossible for alot of people(especially those in cities who don’t own cars) to vote.I guess the republicans don’t think they could win in a fair election.

        • montanabill

          I’m afraid that I have to seriously disagree with you. I assume you don’t live in Florida, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, California or Oregon, or you have your blinders on.

          • grammyjill

            No I don’t live in any of those places and I do not have blinders on. There has been 7 cases of what could be termed as voter fraud in the last twenty tears and most of those were people moved but went to the same polling place instead of the one in their new area.

          • montanabill

            That is a red herring. Once an illegal vote has been cast, it is nearly impossible to know that it has happened. Voting records are not maintained in sync with death records. In many areas of the country, there are literally hundreds of people with exactly the same name. Same day registrations cannot be adequately validated. It is simply too easy for fraudulent voting and extremely hard to catch, even if some attempt is made after the fact.

      • WhutHeSaid

        Is it OK with you if millions of zombies vote? The two problems are equal: NONEXISTENT.

        • montanabill

          Not so sure, I think they voted in large numbers in 2008.

  • When you vote they have your name and address on the voting sheets, repob or demo, so you already have a identy and they have a record of everything about you, some things you don’t even know yourself.

  • desertdustoff

    Does this not smack of the taliban during elections in Iraq? They knew they had to keep the people from voting. Sound familiar? The American taliban, rethuglican, tea baggin (ku klux klan), bigoted, women hating, fun dumb a mentalist, repugnican gop (greed over people) party is no different. Ignorance is not bliss; it is a gop voter!! Any one who votes for any repugnican, whether at the local, regional or national level is braindead!!

    • montanabill

      It was reported today that smokers of marijuana have a drastic reduction in IQ. How long have you been tokin’?

      • desertdustoff

        montanabill…where the men are men and the sheep are scared. Too much of that bestiality kills brain cells. Statistics prove that more repugnicans practice bestiality than any party, any where!! Especially in montana…baaaah, get those woolies!!!

        • montanabill

          Congratulations, you just insulted every Montanan and, in general, everyone who lives in the mountain west. I have to assume you came by your statistics honestly, by interviewing all the sheep in the West.

  • montanabill

    I got it! “Legitimate Rape” equals hunting and fishing licenses, driver’s license, concealed weapon identification, and any other activity that requires a valid identification. The things you learn at this site are astounding!

    • Landsende

      Apparently you haven’t learned anything since you still have no understanding of the right of every citizen to be able to have their vote counted without voter suppression or election fraud. And rape is rape, a crime committed against women by men and sometimes even by men against men as in the case of Jerry Sandusky. Pray it never happens to you or one of your loved ones and then have some idiot claim it wasn’t legitimate rape because the teapublicans don’t believe there is such a thing.

      • montanabill

        Apparently you don’t see the absurdity of tying those issues together. Absolutely no one is trying to stop legitimate voting, but with millions of illegal immigrants and thousands of dead Chicago voters, time for a little precaution.

        • The Republicans are certainly trying to stop legitimate voting. Every single state where they are trying this the evidence is absolutely clear that there is no evidence any measurable amount of voter fraud will be prevented, and plenty of evidence that a significant proportion of legitimate voters will be prevented from voting.

          So zero fraud prevented but plenty of legitimate votes supressed and a prominant Republican claiming on camera that the purpose is to ensure Romney will win.

          It could not be more obvious what is going on.

          • montanabill

            Do you even have a clue why there is no measurable amount of voter fraud? I’ll compare it to crime in black neighborhoods. If it is reported and confirmed, it becomes a statistic. If it is not reported, but known, and no one comes forward to witness, is it not a crime, or simply ‘no evidence’.

  • Its like arrmongeddon at the GOP pretty soon the GOP will have 666 across our heads.

  • sleeprn01

    Montana Bill the states trying to enforce voter suppression are requiring photo IDs. At least in my state Hunting and fishing licenses don’t have a photo on them. The second thing is believe it or not, not everyone owns a car in America. This presents 2 problems: 1) The elderly who have given up their drivers license for safety reasons would not have a valid photo ID and; 2) Without a personal vehicle it can be difficult for both the elderly, infermed, or minorities to get to a place (usually DMV) to get a photo ID. Most of the studies that I’m aware of the incidence of voter fraud is so small one has a greater chance of being hit by lighting. However, election fraud is a problem, in Michigan there is a GOP HR seat that is being investigated for election fraud. I think that proof is in the pudding though when the president of Pennsylvania’s said: passing voter ID which should get Mitt Romney elected; DONE!!!!

    • montanabill

      In my states, you have to produce a photo ID to get a hunting or fishing license. Even if you give up your driver’s license, you can still easily have a photo ID. It can be a passport, a carry permit, or simply a state issued ID. Have you thought for one minute why there might be unreported voter fraud? Suppose a precinct allows undocumented people or people without voter ID’s to vote, are they going to report it? Get real! In some precincts in California, the undocumented illegals vastly out number to legal citizens, but have vote counts that outnumber the legal voters, but no reported irregularities. Get real!

      • When Mike Turzai Pennsylvania, repub/dixie-can speaker of the house commented that passing the voter ID law would get Romney elected was it just another right wing lie. You didn’t try to answer sleep01 question, on that issue.

        • montanabill

          Do you know whether that statement was true or not? Of course not. It was simply one man making a supposition or making a smart remark.

  • “voter photo ID laws ARE a form of poll taxes prohibited under our constitution in amendment 4 sec 1 amendment 9 amendment 10 amendment 15 sect 1 all the amendments require that the RIGHT of citizens shall not be DENIED or ABRIDGED by the USA or ANY STATE. . fORCING PEOPLE TO bUY THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTATION TO GET EVEN FREE PHOTOE IDS IS abridgeing this right when they cannot afford to do so and therefore DENYING THEM THERE RIGHT TO VOTE.. aS THE WRITE TATES THE fraud IS NOT FROM VOTERS THE election fraud IS SOLELY THE ONUS OF THOSE PASSING THESE SUPPRESSIVE LAWS.

    • montanabill

      That is ridiculous!

  • What are the penalties for one person, using illegal means, to make one illegitamate vote? Apparently it is enough already to greatly discourage this activity because it rarely happens. What is the penalty for one person to change the votes of 100 people because of their position in the vote tabulation system? I suggest that it should be at least 100 times as severe as the one person, one fraud penalty. What should be the penalty for anyone who initiates a method that makes hundreds of thousands of legitamate citezen’s votes not count? It’s simple math.

  • dtgraham

    He’s got something there with election fraud. Although I don’t know for certain, I’ll always believe that it’s more likely than not that the 2004 election was as phony as a three dollar bill. Those Diebold voting machines were likely rigged in Ohio and New Mexico that election and flipped votes from Kerry to Bush. There were so many voter accounts of selecting Kerry, and having Bush appear on screen for a fraction of a second in those two states. Christopher Hitchens had a piece in Vanity Fair, at the time, on this topic and he believed they were fixed. I also read about this elsewhere and throughout the web, at that time, from what I thought were credible sources.

    Exit polling data had Kerry ahead by 3 percentage points but he lost by 2 percentage points. Statisticians at the University of Chicago wrote a long treatise on this and claimed that a swing of 5 percentage points like that was so far outside the margin of error that it was considered statistically impossible in their words. This is assuming that the exit polling was professionally done by a reputable polling firm, and it was. Interestingly, these large variances from exit polling data is one of the main ways that election fraud is caught in other nations that have a history of election problems.

    They couldn’t have gotten away with it 4 years ago due to the overwhelming support for Obama, but this year is different. I don’t know what the situation is with voting machines in Republican controlled states this election, but if it’s similar to 2004….look out.

  • montanabill

    Aside from proving you are a citizen, legally able to vote, do most of you have any idea what a problem it is in every day life not to have valid identification? Even if you didn’t consider voting, why would anyone subject themselves to the difficulties in life that not having a valid identification would bring? This argument of voter suppression is a giant red herring.

    • grammyjill

      Believe it or not alot of people go through every day life with nothing but an ss card.

      • montanabill

        Grammy, I really hope you are not using your SS card as an ID. First, it is ridiculously easy to counterfeit a SS card. If you make it easy to get your SSN, then you are opening yourself up to serious ID theft and finally, a SS card is no more a valid ID card than a paper slip with your name on it.

        • grammyjill

          No I am not one of those. I live in a very rural area so have a drivers lience. But most people in the large cities have public transportation and no place to park a car so no lience. Most have things like a credit card, or a bus card but those won’t work at the polls. Most registered years ago with a birth cert. but that doesn’t have your picture so no good either.

          • dtgraham

            They need to accept ID like that. That’s the ticket. If different types of reasonable ID were accepted, this wouldn’t be an issue. They’ll have only one specific type of gov’t ID allowed and that is often hard for people on fixed incomes, without vehicles, to get.

            I’ve heard of states where you have to have a passport first in order for the DMV branch to issue your gov’t approved ID. So, the person has to bus themselves to one gov’t agency and come up with the money for the passport, then bus over to another one to get the ID. That’s a lot of hoops for that person to jump through.

            They often don’t stop there. Walker closed a number of DMV branches in heavily Democratic areas in Wisconsin, forcing them to do some travelling.

  • Jennifer A. Nolan

    When I worked the cash register at my mall drugstore on occasion, I got a young tourist customer from northern Europe (the Netherlands or Scandinavia) from time to time, asking for cigarettes. By law, we have to ask for proof of age, so the customer would pull out his passport. There would be a rather long rundown of the customer’s personal history and background — but no picture. To see the right number for his or her age — 18 in my state — was enough for me.

    Picture ID’s are all too easy to fake; it is a cottage industry, with hackers well under 21 earning the money to buy their textbooks on the phony cards they make. Voters shouldn’t have to bring picture ID’s to the voting booth, unless the state is running a same-day registration program and the individual is trying to kill two birds with one stone. Birth certificates, school registration papers, report cards, proofs of employment, and proof of address — any three of these forms of identification — should be enough for first-time registration; after that, why can’t the polling place have a list of eligible voters handy, as in my district?