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America’s Greediest: The Koch Brothers, The ‘Libertarians’ Who Hate The Free Market

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America’s Greediest: The Koch Brothers, The ‘Libertarians’ Who Hate The Free Market


Among the most venerable Yuletide traditions is the annual appeal on behalf of the “neediest cases,” which has spread nationwide since it first appeared in the New York Times so long ago.

More than a century later we still have the poor with us, of course, and the rich, not to mention the unspeakably super-duper-rich – many of whom comport themselves in ways that likewise provoke public concern, especially in an era of growing inequality and impoverishment.

National Memo editor-in-chief Joe Conason believes the time has come to revive a somewhat less charitable tradition that he and his late colleague, the great progressive journalist Jack Newfield, established at The Village Voice during an earlier era of avarice:  “The Greediest Cases.”

This holiday season we will feature a series of profiles of America’s Greediest Cases, and we encourage readers to nominate deserving public figures in the worlds of business, government, media, entertainment, and sports who exemplify the grasping materialism and rank hypocrisy of our time.

Imagine this.

You and your brother are tied as the fourth richest person in America with $36 billion in assets each, the fruits of owning the second largest privately owned corporation in the world. How would you spend your spare time and money?

Perhaps you’d donate millions to medical research, public television and the arts. Or maybe you’d dabble in politics and try to expose the “Science of Liberty” and economic freedom to help “the most vulnerable.”

That’s what the Koch Brothers do. And how are they helping the most vulnerable?

By attempting to rid the public of programs like Social Security, which has kept more Americans out of poverty than anything the government has ever done.

While the Kochs insist that their goal is freedom, their agenda seems entirely based on policies that increase economic inequality and make it easy for carbon polluters like Koch Industries to continue their unfettered domination of energy markets.

Perhaps the best example of the Kochs’ hypocrisy comes in their war on solar power.

While the Kochs spent millions to try to put politicians in office who have vowed to never raise taxes on the rich or anyone, the billionaires are aiding efforts to “tax the sun” in an effort to squash the nascent solar industry.

One of the main benefits of powering your home or business via solar cells, especially in a state like Arizona, is a process known as “net metering,” which allows you to sell excess wattage back to the utility. While the virtue of using a renewable resource that is essentially carbon-neutral is a decent selling point, it’s the economic value of net metering that has fueled Arizona’s solar boom and made it the top solar state per capita.

This boom hasn’t pleased Arizona Public Service (APS), which stands to lose as much as $2 billion over the next 20 years if solar adoption continues at the current pace. That’s why the state’s largest electricity provider has been fighting for new regulations that would raise the cost of solar by $50-$100 a month, effectively killing the benefits of net metering. And APS has been waging this battle with some very powerful allies.

Guess who?

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  1. charleo1 December 27, 2013

    Economic control is not merely control of a sector of human life which can be separated from the rest; it is the control of the means for all our ends. And whoever has control of the means must also determine which ends are to be served, which values are to be rated higher and which lower, in short, what men should believe and strive for. Fridrich Hayek.

    This is a quote by Fridrich Hayek, on the economic theory of spontaneous
    order. One of the economic theorists, Lunatics, and advocators of social
    chaos, the Koch Brothers cut their teeth on.

  2. Eleanore Whitaker December 28, 2013

    I’m a firm believer in that old saw, “The bigger they are, the harder they fall.” Charles and David Koch are soul-less men with combinant sociopathic/narcissistic mentalities. That’s always a clue to their end. Their control is only their own perception. The rest of us get along just fine and dandy without these two freaks of nature trying to impose their insanity on the entire country.

    Libertarians are not political partisans. They are what they hide most: a cult. As a cult, they need to prey on the most impressionable in our society. It’s why they wave their fistfuls of dollars in the faces of the most “ignernt” knowing that the deprivation these two insatiably greedy men cause has the greatest ROI on their greedheaded investment.

    They don’t particularly care that they are in the US today, THE most two hated men. They don’t care how they earn their corrupt billions. Only that it grows and grows…until it crashes like a lead balloon. And, crash it will as it has four times since 1929.

    For all their slick boi strategies, they cannot evade the one reality in this life: Money ALWAYS runs out.

    1. Buford2k11 December 28, 2013

      Don’t forget Billy Bob Koch…He is just as bad as his brothers…We have had to deal with Billy Bob…and just because no one mentions him, doesn’t mean he isn’t doing evil…I keep coming back to the “Tree of Liberty” and the idea of feeding it “the blood of tyrants”…like the tyrannical CEO’s and the corrupted and purchased legislators in our government…

    2. Allan Richardson December 28, 2013

      Unfortunately, money at this level does NOT run out, no matter how fast they spend it, as long as there is a functioning economy to keep the banking industry going to pay interest on their bonds. A tapeworm never starves unless its host takes medicine to get rid of it, or THE HOST DIES. And these men, and many others, are financial tapeworms sucking the lifeblood out of our nation’s economy. They will be with us as long as there is any blood left to suck, unless we take the medicine of TRUTH and AWARENESS to get rid of them.

    3. Lisztman December 28, 2013

      @Eleanore: We can only hope. A few lightning bolts might be in order.

    4. CPAinNewYork December 28, 2013

      Regarding your last sentence: No it doesn’t. There are still large chunks of New York City real estate that are owned by the Astors, Rockefellers and their churches and other “charities”. Those “charities” pay no property taxes, by the way.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker December 29, 2013

        CPA …Have you visited them? Let’s see now…When I visited Robber Baron row up in Rhode Island, all of those mansions owned by the T-Rex Robber Barons are either B&Bs or they are gadzooks and zounds (how low did they go?)! Open to the Public for a “fee.”

        NY City real estate owned by the Astors, Rockefellers and their “churches and charities,” are already under the jurisdiction of the NY State Historical society..which means, they’ve been listed as “historical sites.”

        And, since you have no idea what the original word charity was intended to me, let me refresh your number cruncher mentality…Charity means giving when you have ZERO expectation of a return. Anything else is an “investment” which hot shot CPAs like you should know by now. All those “charitable trusts” reduce the taxes of the donors. How is that “charity?” You don’t give to get in the real world…only in Greedhead Universe of which I am sure most CPA are already hot to be considered a vital part of.

        1. CPAinNewYork December 30, 2013

          You’re a jerk, but I’ll take the time to answer you anyway. If you give money to an organization that has registered as a Section 501 (c) (3), you are entitled to a charitable deduction on your income tax return, subject to certain limitations.

          Perhaps the deduction in your mind disqualifies a donor from having made a charitable donation, but the law and I suspect most sensible people will disagree with you.

          1. Eleanore Whitaker December 30, 2013

            And the name calling ASShat CPA is off on another of his rants and rages. If you give money to an organization registered as a Section 501(c)3 …yadda yadda yadda…Like I don’t know what a 501c3 is…I was president of a historical museum asshat…It was a 501(c)3. It didn’t expect something in the nature of tax cuts for its contributions. Asshats like you love to pretend how intelligent you are until your number crunching comes down to crunching for the world’s best Madoffers. If you give to a charity, that ends it. You don’t need to “get” ANYTHING in return. If you do, you aren’t giving to any charity but yourself. But, who expects an asshat to know that? Particularly one who sucks up to the Madoffers.

          2. CPAinNewYork December 31, 2013

            I was right: you are a jerk.

          3. Eleanore Whitaker December 31, 2013

            CPA…You never fail to push your “I am Always Right” agenda. How much of a big baby are you? If I am a jerk, that makes you a bigger jerk for stooping to my level to respond. Now Big Baby go tell McMommy to wipe your butt…Your diaper is dirty. Yeesh..Some middle aged men get a CPA and think it’s a PhD in World Control…Do yourself a favor Big Baby..Your Napoleanic complex is showing and there are raisins where your nuts belong. If you are an example of the CPA mentality, it’s explains how Madoff got away with 17 years of thieving. What makes me think this moron CPA has a whole lot of skankola skeletons in his accounting closet and vents his guilty conscience by trying to appear oh so superior? You’re a pathetic joke. Don’t call yourself a man until you grow a brain.

          4. CPAinNewYork January 2, 2014

            My my. Getting testy in our declining years aren’t we?

            Hope it’s not hormonal.

          5. Eleanore Whitaker January 3, 2014

            I’d check your testosterone levels were I you. Low testosterone is most always evident among the most hateful men. My years never decline much to the chagrin of your generation of slow witted, aging twerps. The reality is your generation want life handed to you on a silver spoon. And, it better best as fast as the info transmitted via your cellphones which dominated your pathetically vapid lives. There may be some people in the US who tolerate the Middle Aged Terrible Two Tantrums. I am not one of them. I must have hit a nerve with my comment about your guilt and the skeletons in that CPA closet. Check your own posts for the name calling before you vie for Know it All of the Year.

    5. joe schmo December 31, 2013

      Suppose you wouldn’t have too much to say about George Soros then? The leach that sucks the blood out of Nations by using the guise of nonprofits to fund his billions. Note worthy is the fact that the Koch brothers did give billions to medical research, television and the arts.

      Enter George Soros-Obama’s puppetmaster: He nearly broke England:)

      One of his own books calls him the “Stateless Statesman” and he has been
      honored as a “globalist.” He is usually referred to by the liberal
      media as a “financier” or “philanthropist.” In fact, George Soros is a
      billionaire hedge fund operator whose financial manipulations can affect
      the fates of nations and their currencies. His hedge fund, Quantum
      Funds, is based off-shore, making the sources of his funds practically
      impossible to determine.

      Soros engaged in a complex financial transaction that resulted in the
      Bank of England losing billions of dollars defending the British pound
      before having to devalue it. This assault on the British currency has
      not been analyzed to the extent necessary. One author, George Taylor,
      wrote a book, Germany Tries Again,9offering the theory that Soros benefited from inside information from the German government, and that Germany is attempting to re-establish a position of dominance in Europe. The author notes that both Germany and Soros favored the break-up of Yugoslavia and support for the Muslims in Bosnia. Other analysts suggest the so-called “rich Europeans” who investwith Soros and conceal their identities are based elsewhere and have greater influence over him. Other analysts raise the possibility that Soros is supported by either China or Russia.

      Read more: Obama’s Master George Soros: Supporting America’s Enemies at Home and Abroad | The Soros Files http://sorosfiles.com/soros/2011/10/obamas-master-george-soros-supporting-americas-enemies-at-home-and-abroad.html#ixzz2p7NfsEkb

      And you call the Conservatives Fascists. I think this man is far more evil than any Koch could ever be. Bet you didn’t know that during WWII, Soros worked against his people for the Nazi’s….Don’t give me your bull on the self made Koch Brothers who you bash any chanceyou can. I can provide a list of organizations that Soros is pilfering and influencing including the ACLU.

      Now who’s calling the kettle black. Don’t give me that hypocritical bull crap about the rich Repubs when you can’t even see the cow dung in your own pasture.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker January 1, 2014

        And another SchmoJoe tries again. When do you Middle Aged Angry Males give it up? I’d check again if I were you on Soros…He is also a huge contributor to numerous educational and other “liberal” charities. You selfish little right wing pigs have been bitching since your 20s. Back then, your parents and grandparents “stole your dreams.” Some reason you can’t make your OWN damn dreams come true? Your kind love to make all the “chief decisions” until the effects of that misguided right wing BS turns into a Financial Meltdown or a Goldman Sachs/Morgan Stanley bailout.

        Conservatives ARE fascists. They have to mind everyone else’s business because so much of their own is filthy dirty corruption. The day a fascist conservative EVER says “I was wrong,” the world will go into shock.

        You compare Soros to Delay? Abramoff? Rove? How about you stop your Middle Bashy Boi routines and grow the hell up? Your post shows just how guilty you righties are for the BS you pulled off for those 8 Bush years.

        1. CPAinNewYork January 2, 2014

          Soros is not a fool, as you imply. He appears to be involved in currency manipulation, which could get him in jail if he’s not careful.

          1. Eleanore Whitaker January 3, 2014

            Sure…and the Koch bois will use their million dollar CPAs to hide how much of that “charity” isn’t charity but money shifted into organizations designed to dismantle the US government. If Soros was guilty of anything, he’d be in jail. Sorry if that’s the reality you number crunchers can’t mentally process.

          2. joe schmo January 3, 2014

            For one, Soros already tried to ruin England.

          3. Eleanore Whitaker January 3, 2014

            Gee…and just why is England not “ruined?” Is it because your post is another of your desperate attempts to lob all of the blame on only those you hope you can destroy? Time to stop playing your violent war video games and get a life.

            If Soros tried in fact to “ruin” England, it’s obvious he failed miserably. Got any more of your trumped up, overloaded bias in your back pocket lobbed only at the Democrats?

            Didn’t McMommy and McDaddy ever tell their tender little shoot that a democracy is comprised of more than just the GOP bull tyrants attempting a full government takeover by dismantling this presidency with their BS sequestrations and shut downs? How does it feel to be kith and kin with your kindred spirits…the Shutdown Bois?

            Keep up your BS destructive attitude and see how far that will get you.

          4. joe schmo January 3, 2014

            Just about was:)

            George Soros
            George Soros has been described as a pirate and is despised in locations as various as Thailand, Britain and Malaysia. This famous currency speculator has made a fortune breaking currencies.In breaking the Bank of England, Soros became a figure to be feared by countries trying to protect fragile currencies. Soros is far from a numbers-only speculator. He looks in-depth at a country and tries to spot errors in valuation; political policies in particular draw his interest. Active in philanthropy focused on bringing about political
            change, Soros also uses his currency positions to “punish” countries whose policies are ignored in favor of positive economic data by most speculators. By pressuring these governments financially, Soros can force political changes that might never come about otherwise.

            I beg to differ, England is not what it once was…..it is close to being ruled by Muslims as is the rest of Europe.

            How far this will get me….well probably no place. You just don’t get it because you are so bent on making America a ‘nanny state.’ If you succeed in getting your way the people that you wish to save the most will be hurt the most. By that I mean the poor. Only in a Capitalist country like ours are we able to provide for the poor and disabled so well. Why do you think they all want to come here. Take away the bread basket and entrepreneur’s and what do you have left. A Government run conglomerate that does much for itself yet keeps the masses poor, ignorant and hungry. It has been known throughout history that ‘nanny state’s’ never survive. Russia is now more Capitalist as is China. You would have us go back into the dark ages and become like the old USSR and Cuba. Like most Americans, I guess you have never left the US and only know what you see on your US television.

            News flash, why do you think the GOP does what it has? Because your man is divisive and does nothing to work as a team with the Conservatives. So they balk…. Hey the GOP isn’t perfect but neither is your side…. Takes two to tango.

            McMommy and McDaddy taught me well because they have lived through Communism and Capitalism. McDaddy says this is Communism:) Our country was based on checks and balances….well, right now there is noooo balance only a dictatorship.

          5. Eleanore Whitaker January 4, 2014

            You can beg and differ all you like. Your post is rife with biased BS. I worked with a guy from Manchester England. You want to try again on how England is overloaded with Muslims? If you are going to exaggerate your deceptive posts, at least check your so-called facts first. You don’t get to own your own facts little boi. You just need to grow the hell up and stop trying to fill the country with your idiotic neurotic brand of fearmongering BS. Read your own posts. Are we all supposed to run to the Justice Dept. Mr. Exaggerator and demand Soros be prosecuted? All while we allowed Bush and Cheney to get away with more lies and BS in 8 years..which is how the country got into this mess in the first place. It wasn’t Soros who was president. It was Bush. Do you saplings of fearmongering fermented BS ever admit your GOP bull tyrants are now referred to as the Shut Down bois? That your party is feeding porker states like Alaska, Texas, Kentucky and the rest of the Confederacy with my hard earned tax dollars?

            Your posts are all too typical of middle aged angry tyrants who are hot to have the entire country fall prey to a blanketed gloom and doom so you can scoop up every dime from all of the military industrialists, gun runners and billionaire thieves like Charles and David Koch, Adelson, Zuckerman, Murdoch, Dimon and the rest of your BS bois. Your post is a pack of fabricated lies. If Soros was a criminal, he’d be in jail. If England is so bad off which it isn’t your ass wouldn’t be posting BS. As for your anti-Muslim and the rest of your anti, anti anti anti mantras…stuff them where the sun doesn’t shine. You impress no one older than you. You’re a typical Twerpie Generation nut job.

          6. joe schmo January 4, 2014

            Gloom and doom am I. I guess you are of the 24 percent who think this Country is doing well. ….. guess again….


            Soros is too clever for that and, for your information, almost was imprisoned. By the way, did you miss my last post regarding the richest of the rich. They are all Liberals. Koch’s are the only Conservatives out of the richy’s that you referred to. The others are all globalist Liberals.

            Read it and weep:

            And the three richest men in America – Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and Larry Ellison – all are liberals.

            This runs contrary to the media fiction that the rich people in
            America are Republicans. This fiction is repeated over and over in the media in order to win over ignorant people to the Democrat party. And there are plenty of them, mostly among the angry, envious poor; in the agitated and shrinking middle class; and in the perpetually enraged labor union movement.

            The capitalist rich are generally Republicans. They “make things” and “build things” and “manufacture things” and provide basic resources likecoal or timber in the ‘hard’ side of the economy. Henry Ford was an example of old-school capitalist rich. Andrew Carnegie too. Or CorneliusVanderbilt, who constructed the famous New York Central railroad.

            But today as manufacturing moves abroad, we have fewer and fewer of the old-school capitalist rich, and the middle class is shrinking as the wealth to support it is eroding away.

            And why is this happening?

            Because of Democrat party attacks on wealth-creating, capitalist private business through excessive taxes, regulation, lawsuits, enviro restrictions and labor union agitation.

            Replacing the shrinking class of capitalist rich are the socialist
            rich who do not actually “make things” or “provide resources” that the society needs. In fact, the socialist rich largely shun production altogether. They are mostly urban elites (New York, San Francisco, Follywood) who don’t get their hands dirty building power plants or constructing homes or cutting trees or mining coal or building railroads.

            In fact many of today’s socialist rich are environmentalists who do not even believe in the extraction of resources. This happens even though they use more resources than anyone, like Oprah Winfrey flying around in her private jet while showcasing Al Gore on her TV show and supporting bans on oil production across the US.

            These socialists do not get rich through wealth creation like Henry Ford did but by taking for themselves larger and larger chunks of America’s existing wealth through wealth appropriation. And they indeed are getting richer as America gets poorer.

            Look at far-left George Soros. He is another classic example of a wealth appropriator. He makes his money as a speculator in currency exchanges.He sits in front of a computer screen and bets on the shift of money around the globe and has a $20 billion fortune as a result.

            Soros does not manufacture cars or generate power or drill oil wells.He does not employ thousands of people or build railroads that aid and abet economic growth. In fact, he is not interested in creating wealth and products for other people like the capitalist rich do, but only in appropriating wealth for himself, which is classic liberal narcissism.

            Look at ultra-lib Oprah Winfrey. What does she produce?

            Entertainment. That is all. Period. And if you ask people if
            they want to have either gasoline for their car or Oprah on the TV, they would choose the former. Because Winfrey is just another liberal entertainer who is dispensable to everyday life in contrast to the things that people really need like cars and gasoline and electricity – the things produced by the capitalist rich.


            Now you tell me what is better?
            ….and how do they do it. I mean make money the easy way….by brainwashing fools like you.

            Ahhh…more name calling void of facts. Now who’s smarter?

          7. Eleanore Whitaker January 4, 2014

            You can do the Great White Middle Aged Angry little boi chatter routine all you like. You are too young to have lived long enough to have the brains and wisdom too many people older than you have. You can bitch and moan about the wealthiest men like George Soros all you like. He isn’t in jail. Do you want to deny that? So Little boi, how about you start looking in the mirror for WHY these guys are now billionaires. Did you buy one of those gas guzzler SUVs or bull nosed pickups? Or a McMansion you couldn’t really afford? Do you buy a new toy called an Iphone as soon as its on the market? You create the consumerism with your gluttonous “must have it all” attitudes.

            Do you insist upon going on vacation once in every year? Or send your kids to private schools? Whine, whine, whine, whine…That’s ALL the little bois like you are good for. But you know what? It’s falling on older ears who are tired of your whiney ass generation spending your free time texting and cell phoning. If you’d shut those rambling, rabble rousing yaps long enough, you’d be able to become a productive human being instead of the Middle Aged Lazy Ass Twerpies little bois your age have become.

          8. joe schmo January 5, 2014

            If anyone is whining and angry, Eleanore, it is you because you continually rant away @ me. In case you haven’t noticed, I am not raving away at you. You have nothing to inject into this conversation except for cussing and that says nothing. It’s like spitting into the wind.

            I have no SUV, Mansion, vacation once a year, kids in private schools…..but I do believe in the American Dream which apparently you do not. In fact, I have little money and barely make it thanks to all the taxes that have been injected in my face. Not including all the ideas that you Liberals feel are making us appear like we have more rights and freedom. Maybe Obamacare and gun restrictions are alright with you but don’t I also have a right to reject those ideas. It is unAmerican to force anything on anyone but that is exactly what Liberals are doing. What if we had a choice whether to have Obamacare or to choose a private institution. That is more fair. You all don’t have to have a gun. If I want to run a business then that is OK but just don’t tax me to death so that I take my business out of the coungry. It is your problem not mine. I don’t have a gun but I still want that choice. It all amounts to fair and balanced. I don’t think you get that…..and then when do we draw the line on ethics and morals. Roman Empire is Roman Empire and it didn’t last. Seriously, stringing babies on ropes over the Coliseum so that alligators could snap at them for the onlookers entertainment. Watch out, its coming before your very eyes and you don’t even see it.

            If you had read the article I uploaded snipets of, you would see that the real criminal here is the rich ‘Liberal.’ Even the so called rich Republicans are more Liberal than Conservative. They are selfish greedy bastards that are pulling the wool over your face and you refuse to open your eyes to the problems. I feel sorry for you.

            You should be old enough to have seen all the changes that have occurred in the last 3 decades and how this country has gone straight down into the cesspool. You should also know the difference between Capitalism and Socialism. Remember the Cold War…..or are you one of those people who thinks we should become one with Cuba.

            I am far from lazy…. Maybe it is you who has too much time on your hands. My intention is not to change you or you to change me. I just want the dissent to stop and for you to realize that both sides are at fault for all of this before it is too late. If you continue to bolster this idea of enslavement (which you do not think it is because the left is pacifying you) and if the government continues to ruin common peoples lives then we will surely become more suppressed and see less freedom for ourselves and our children and grandchildren. What does that result in…..pure Communism. Who do you think the rich will be? The Government officials who rule over us with an iron fist…..and who will the poor be? Us.

          9. Eleanore Whitaker January 5, 2014

            The point is that your posts sound whiney. You can’t have your way. Big deal. Welcome to the real world where things don’t always turn out the way you plan. When you plan in an irrational, self-serving manner, you get the disappointments you set yourself up for. I’m tired of hearing how “tired” the middle aged guys and gals are. Did you think that your parents who worked in excess of 60 hours a week whined how terrible life was treating them? NO. They learned to keep moving forward and hope for the best. Your generation of Big Babies have one and only one agenda…to make life as miserable as possible for every human being you encounter with your Gloom and Doom attitudes.

            In case you missed it growing up, (if in fact you EVER did), progress doesn’t happen with a whole middle aged bunch of gloomy pusses who snarl and rage at the world around them. If you are having your “misery party,” you’re the only one you need to invite. Stop spreading your hateful, angry Boi attitude. No one cares that you are self-defeating not only to yourself but to everyone around you.

            It’s time you middle aged loonies stopped your snarling, your attempts at bankrupting the older generation so you can have it “easy.” All those Young Lion ideas of your 20s didn’t take root because you Young Lions cannabalized each other to be “upwardly mobile.” Now, you suffer the consequences of such unmitigated foolishness. It was never about getting to the top of the heap. It was always about being productive so you can respect yourself. Which, from your posts, you obviously don’t. And, while you’re at it, how about policing your own gender who do the most damage? How old is Ryan? Cantor? Issa? All today’s GOP bull tyrants all trying to make their lives “easy” at the expense of millions of other now quite fed up Americans. If we work 4 or 5 decades for our SS and Medicare, we expect ROI just like you do with your 401Ks. One caveat about those Wall Street linked 401Ks…they crash when the market crashes. Be sure not to bother looking for your SS when that happens genius boi.

          10. joe schmo January 5, 2014

            Did my parents whine about how things are going……..LOL yes they did. I was kept up to date about politics since I was a young child. Both of my parents faced living in Europe before a War and after the War. My Dad lived through three regimes. They came to America after the War legally, had to learn the language and they had to prove that they had a savings account with at least $1000.00 in it before they could enter. Both worked hard all their lives and lived the American dream.

            More than likely, you probably were born in America, raised in America, worked in America and will die in America. You have no clue what it is like to live in a country where everything was taken away from you and have no clue what it is like when your Government lifts it’s fist at you for opening your mouth. A place where you are suppressed and where commodities are hard to come by including the sustenance you need to survive. By that I mean food, cars, housing, paper, toiletry etc…. You all think this way of life is fine and dandy because of environmental conservation. Truth is you have no clue what you are asking for. You will live in a world where everyone is equally poor. There is no progress. You can’t help anyone because there is simply no money for that. Saving the planet and environmental causes will be null and void because no one can afford to contribute. On the other side sits the Government man high on his throne. He drives the fancy cars and lives in the fancy Chateau all the while eating ‘Chateau Brion’ while sipping on ‘Chateau Margaux.’ You stand in line for bananas and coffee. Clothing is expensive and hard to come by. You are terrified of your government. You can’t even open your mouth for fear of going to the gulags, imprisonment or, worse yet, getting a death sentence. Yes, my dear this is the reality of a Socialist regime. If you continue on your quest all your dreams will become a harsh reality.

            My father is older than you my dear. He has rarely been wrong that is why I respect him so much. He says what we are facing now is inching closer and closer to Communism. Maybe that is what you want. As I said before there are extreme’s on both ends. If we don’t meet somewhere in middle it will be ‘adios’ U.S.A. You don’t have to believe me, but history has a funny way of repeating itself.

            Again, the wealthy 1% are not your hated Repubs, they are actually your fellow Liberal’s. Rich Liberals who don’t contribute to society or create jobs, rather they sit on their self serving a**es and make money for themselves. That’s right for themselves. Not for you. They do this by pacifying you. As they twist the noose tighter you have no clue that you will soon be hung. You are just not willing to acknowledge the disgusting truth. Let it be known that you were fore warned. America after less than 250 years is now on it’s way out. It didn’t even come close to lasting as long as the Roman Empire. Too bad for you and your ilk. You can only thank yourself for changing history by helping in the ruination of a Nation.

            As far as the SS goes. I’m sure it won’t be there for me because no one will be able to afford to pay taxes. There will simply be no more mulah for anyone:)
            Hec no, I’m not whining. I’m laughing at your ignorance…..

        2. joe schmo January 2, 2014

          You mean that secular institution that keeps getting worse and worse. Dead last in Math, nearly last in Science, barely making it in reading. LOL Why don’t you bring some of the Pols and Chinese over here to compete with our kids….LOL

          ….and now you are starting to cuss me out. Your only defense.

          I beg your pardon on the dream part. You have no clue who I am nor do you know anything about my life. My parents always encouraged my dreams maybe yours didn’t. I have achieved more than anyone I know. I’m angry that my government wants to tax me to death to feed the lazy and downtrodden and I might add…. I am not one of the 1%.

          Financial meltdown? LOL Goldman,Sachs/Morgan Stanley Liberal institutions….

          Fascists is a dumb comparison. Capitalist, Constitutionalist, yes, that’s me. You would be wise to look up Liberalism. Social, social, social. Just like Fascism and Communism. Nope you don’t understand the difference.

          I could also say the same about you. The moment a Liberal says they are wrong, the world will explode. Part of the problem nowadays is that we just don’t get along. All that, thanks to the state of this Country and your divisive Man. Keep it up and the void will become larger…..then what?

          Can’t take the heat when it goes in your direction can you.

          1. Eleanore Whitaker January 3, 2014

            Look SchmoJoe…If you are expecting people older than you to fall for your Generational DOOM and GLOOM, give it up. I have a clue who you are from the minute you started to post your vengeance. You are another of the Twerpie Generation bois who want it all handed to you. Yours was the generation who in their 20s blamed their parents and grandparents for dashing your dreams. Your dreams were glorified BS. How about you work that lazy middle aged ass off and stop looking around to blame everyone but yourself.

            People who are found guilty of corruption end up in jail. Madoff, Ebbers, Abramoff, the Enron Bois, Kozlowski…remind you of who the real thieves in this country are?

            Now we have another brotherhood of evil males, the Koch Filchers. They spend their billions to thwart anything that is constitutionally mandated. This is why they are spending $2 billion to get rid of healthcare reform that was already necessary during King Gingrich’s reign of terror. You bois of the right are flashes in the pan who can’t convince the older generation that a single one of you can be relied on for maturity. Maturity isn’t sitting on cell phones all day while you are at your jobs texting your lives away. It isn’t running to McMommy and McDaddy every time your great spending sprees on those bull nosed pickups and other show off gas guzzlers flatten your incomes. A mature mind isn’t based on chronological age. It’s based on the maturity of your intelligence. Get a life loser!

          2. joe schmo January 3, 2014

            Boy, you really don’t know me. LOL If you did, you would see that I work my a** off to get what I want and I am sick of paying taxes and more taxes to help fund you and yours fringe benefits.

            Well….and you don’t have any evil doers in your camp? Unbeknownst to you, Soros for one, is one of the evilest men on the planet. Your president is another. Yes, he took a 5% paycut (big whips). But did you know that he makes $79,000 a day on private ventures. Hey, here’s a brain storm, what about taking some money out of the coffers of that great Democratic machine that makes millions in donations from generous donors. Why not donate to the poor and unfortunate yourself. Why target just the Conservatives as guilty……

            This article by Sovereign Man effects all of us whether you want to believe it or not:

            “1) Politicians believe there are no consequences for destroying our liberty…

            Stimulus and response. That’s the easiest way of summing this up. When politicians steal, and there are no consequences, they’re going to keep stealing.

            Cyprus proved this point handily. The government froze bank accounts for everyone in the country (of course, the big bosses got their money out in time). And yet, there was no violent revolution in the streets. People just accepted it.

            Poland nationalized pensions. Argentina imposed severe capital controls. The French are taxing everything under the sun. The US government was caught red-handed spying on… everyone.

            And yet, there have been ZERO consequences. Citizens have been trained like caged animals to simply roll over and acquiesce. I imagine the politicians are thinking, “Holy Cow! I can’t believe we just got away with that…”

            It only reinforces their behavior. With each destructive act, they become more bold, more brazen in dismantling our liberties, confident that they can continue to act with total impunity.”


            “4) …But Joe Six-Pack knows this is all crap.

            In 2013, the collective net worth of the 300 richest people in the world grew to $3.7 trillion, 16.5% higher than 2012. Corporate profits were also at record levels.

            Fortune 500s, the super-rich, rich, and even upper middle class have largely been beneficiaries of the central bank induced asset bubble.

            But everyone else is getting hammered by inflation… watching their savings and livelihoods melt away before their very eyes.

            A report from the US Census Bureau this year showed that median household income has declined for five straight years. And those living in poverty, using food stamps, or receiving unemployment benefits remained at record high levels in 2013.

            Meanwhile, the wealth gap has grown to its largest since 1929– the year of that fateful financial collapse.

            It’s time for a reality check: something is wrong with this picture.

            We’ve become desensitized to everything. “Unprecedented” monetary policy. Record debts. Massive wealth gap. Government surveillance. Theft. Deceit. Inflation.

            We’ve become so accustomed to getting screwed, it’s just par for the course now. We sit quietly and wait for the next round of beatings, shrugging it all off as the new normal.

            This isn’t normal. This is not how a free society is supposed to function.

            A free society does not spy on its own people, threaten them with drone assassination, and award an unelected banking elite with supreme authority to rob purchasing power from the masses in favor of a bubbly stock market.

            And despite the conventional wisdom, this is not a consequence-free environment.”

            You think you are the only one’s feeling the crunch. We all know something is very very wrong…… Call me stupid now?

          3. Eleanore Whitaker January 3, 2014

            No. I don’t “know” you. I do know your brand of childish, immature attitude. I see it all around me every day in the Twerpie Generation who believe their’s is the most difficult time to be alive.

            The fact that you you you chose only Soros from among this country’s greediest men shows you have a one-sided bias and an axe to grind against anyone not as “right” tight as you are.

            Your post is typical of the Middle Aged Angry Males of today who believe it’s everyone else’s fault life is not their personal oyster. Sorry but no existence is based on that type of childish folklore. It’s called grow the hell up already.

            First of all, your kind are NOT ….got that? NOT going to become the bosses of the universe and force those older than you to believe your childish ideas that anyone older must be senile and totally unproductive. It’s how I know your generation isn’t up to par on really working those oversized double wides off.

            If Soros is so bad, what the hell do you call Rand Paul? Paul Ryan? Boozer Bourbon Boi McConnell? These are men who have lived off the government because they live in the porker states who live off the taxes MY state funds the federal government you anarchists are so hot to get rid of.

            You don’t have any answers other than One Size Fits all or must, must, must according to your sociopathic needs to be the Masters of the Universe. And while you are all so busy tilting at windmills, the rest of us are moving ahead without you. Wail wail wail…that’s how your generation of meatheaded ingrates will spend your futures.

          4. joe schmo January 3, 2014

            You reallllly don’t know me. I suppose if you all get your way we will also have the NSA implant a chip in our brains so that the Government can read our minds. By your standards that would be OK.

            By the way, that comment about ‘boozer McConnell.’ Here’s a brain fall for you, most Conservative’s don’t like him, McCain or Boehner.

            Soros is only one of Obama’s puppet master’s that is why I mention him. He is not a politician like Paul, Ryan, Cruz, Jindal (Governor), or Lee:)

            Here is a nice article for you: Included in this list is the Hollywood elite…..

            Why are So Many Rich People Liberals?

            This is a good question considering that socialism is geared toward attacking “the rich” and maligning the accumulation of private wealth.

            Yet today in America, the majority of rich people statistically are not Republicans but are liberal Democrats, many of them on the far left.They live in places like New York and Hollywood and San Francisco and Chicago and Silicon Valley, hardly the home turf of conservatism. Most of the richest congressional districts are represented by Democrats. Many of the richest people in the US congress are liberals.

            And the three richest men in America – Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and Larry Ellison – all are liberals.

            This runs contrary to the media fiction that the rich people in America are Republicans. This fiction is repeated over and over in the media in order to win over ignorant people to the Democrat party. And there are plenty of them, mostly among the angry, envious poor; in the agitated and shrinking middle class; and in the perpetually enraged labor union

            You are more than welcome to read the rest here:


            One size fits all sounds more like you. Remember you preach equality for all, CoExist and Common core…. Bad, bad, bad….. Little do you realize that we are created uniquely different and we have different talents to bring to the table. We are not all the same. We would have peace if we accepted each other more. Ain’t gonna happen in the near future..

            Sociopathic quest to rule the universe! Hec no, that is your department. I just want fair and balanced. Right now it is balanced too far in the Liberal direction…..

            Oh and by the way, have a nice day:)

          5. Jonathan Burton January 22, 2014

            Nobody likes you. The sooner you figure this out the sooner you may actually be willing change you twisted logic. The rest of the world despises you and the other fascists that wrap themselves in the American flag. Stay the way you are and maybe someone will run your ass up a flag pole. You can be your own hypocritical flag of lies and ignorance flapping in the breeze in your own deluded country where only white pud knockers like you rule. I invite all you middle aged white reTHUGlican bastards to an event where you are all given a blade and told that the last asshole standing gets rule the world (all you guys would take that bait, wouldn’t you?) Then after you all kill each other off, we take the last asshole standing and put him on a pedestal and shoot him in the head…dead.

          6. Jonathan Burton January 22, 2014

            Thankfully, morons like you are just angry white middle aged pud-strokers that can’t believe that they aren’t the lords of the world. Get your angry on you punk ass chump, by all means. I hope you have a stroke, from your anger fest and live just long enough to feel the humiliation of having your shit and piss cleaned up by a person of color that has more grace, love, and generosity in their pinky finger than in your whole body.

        3. Jonathan Burton January 22, 2014

          Amen sister.

      2. Jonathan Burton January 22, 2014

        Oh hell yes! Lets break out the old George Soros card. That old card is played so often that it no longer has any meaning. All you right wing morons have is the George Soros card! Pathetic. Very pathetic. Yeah you have your Soros card, while we Libs have a whole warehouse filled with boxes, filled with cards of not just one influential person with money dipped in politics but so many that we digress and just get back to work. So go ahead and play your singular, lonely George Soros card and go back to watching Hannity, or Fox and Fiends. where the wealthy robber barons can keep you in line.

        1. joe schmo January 22, 2014

          Well, let’s just go back and play the Koch brothers card while we’re at it. You all are affixiated with them. Every time you turn around there is a new article about the ‘Kock’ brothers. Should I continue. The worlds richest are all Liberals who sit behind their computers making ‘easy’ money. That is by stealing from you. They do not employ anyone, they do not invent anything, They do not share it. Rather they let the Government pay for all the freebies you so enjoy. Indirectly, who does that come from? You guessed it. You and me. Who just went on a lavish vacation in Hawaii and used 11 mil or our money we don’t have. Why not take a 5% paycut (which by the way is nothing) when you make an extra 79,000 a month. LOL no the last laugh is on you. When you finally wake up and see that there is no ‘real’ America left. You Democrats are selling us down the drain. Funny thing is many Conservatives are very disheartened by our own party while you all are enamored by yours. We tend to see the world with eyes wide open while you are looking through rose colored glasses with eyes wired shut.

          I will load this article again. If you don’t get it then that’s your choice…

          And the three richest men in America – Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and Larry Ellison – all are liberals.

          This runs contrary to the media fiction that the rich people in
          America are Republicans. This fiction is repeated over and over in the media in order to win over ignorant people to the Democrat party. And there are plenty of them, mostly among the angry, envious poor; in the agitated and shrinking middle class; and in the perpetually enraged labor union movement.

          The capitalist rich are generally Republicans. They “make things” and “build things” and “manufacture things” and provide basic resources likecoal or timber in the ‘hard’ side of the economy. Henry Ford was an example of old-school capitalist rich. Andrew Carnegie too. Or CorneliusVanderbilt, who constructed the famous New York Central railroad.

          But today as manufacturing moves abroad, we have fewer and fewer of the old-school capitalist rich, and the middle class is shrinking as the wealth to support it is eroding away.

          And the three richest men in America – Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and Larry Ellison – all are liberals.

          This runs contrary to the media fiction that the rich people in
          America are Republicans. This fiction is repeated over and over in the media in order to win over ignorant people to the Democrat party. And there are plenty of them, mostly among the angry, envious poor; in the agitated and shrinking middle class; and in the perpetually enraged labor union movement.

          The capitalist rich are generally Republicans. They “make things” and “build things” and “manufacture things” and provide basic resources like coal or timber in the ‘hard’ side of the economy. Henry Ford was an example of old-school capitalist rich. Andrew Carnegie too. Or Cornelius Vanderbilt, who constructed the famous New York Central railroad.

          But today as manufacturing moves abroad, we have fewer and fewer of the old-school capitalist rich, and the middle class is shrinking as the wealth to support it is eroding away.

          Soros does not manufacture cars or generate power or drill oil wells.He does not employ thousands of people or build railroads that aid and abet economic growth. In fact, he is not interested in creating wealth and products for other people like the capitalist rich do, but only in appropriating wealth for himself, which is classic liberal narcissism.

          Look at ultra-lib Oprah Winfrey. What does she produce?

          Entertainment. That is all. Period. And if you ask people if
          they want to have either gasoline for their car or Oprah on the TV, they would choose the former. Because Winfrey is just another liberal entertainer who is dispensable to everyday life in contrast to the things that people really need like cars and gasoline and electricity – the things produced by the capitalist rich.


          “A democracy is alwaystemporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that
          they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From thatmoment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the mostbenefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy…”

          Alexander Fraser Tytler, Scottish lawyer and writer,


          Cicero said it best:

          “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.

          But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

          For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

          He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”

          All I can say is history repeats itself. Wake UP before it’s too late!

    6. rustacus21 January 1, 2014

      Libertarians, like conservatives, have not a clue on what makes a true, functional and comprehensive Democracy. There’s always some excuse to try & get around the foundations that are the essence the civic culture that IS the result of uncompromised Democracy. If people were to actually read thru (this includes our CURRENT elected officials!) the conversation the nation was having in deciding whether or not to approve our eventual Constitution (the Federalist Papers), we could immediately respond to the banal tax (not only legal but fair that we ALL pay a fair share), health care (a ‘right’, not a choice), lobbying (corruption, no matter how it’s explained), halting Global Climate Change (advancing the welfare of the citizenry & the state) or regulatory oversight of corporations (to prevent the type of psychic/civic ‘violence’ notoriously connected to the E. India Tea co. to 1773, up to those same identical actions by ATP currently) arguments we keep going round & round w/them about. I’m clear on any & all of these issues, as are millions of Liberal/Progressives & even ‘some’ Libertarians & conservatives. The problem is the propaganda which serves only to confuse & divide…

  3. Mark Forsyth December 28, 2013

    For most of my life I have believed in Peace on Earth,Good Will Toward Men,especially at this time of year. I don’t usually wish for the death of anyone but where these two rapscallions are concerned I find it increasingly difficult to avoid.I’m told that we must pray for our enemies so I will do this.I will pray that the Koch brothers get all that they deserve.No More,No Less.

    1. charleo1 December 28, 2013

      All in good time. I don’t know when, or where, or how. But, I do believe there
      will somehow be a place, all of us, even the mighty Koch Brothers, are called
      to stand, and account for their actions in this dimension in the next. Even the most heinous of humans in their hours before execution, wait with some trepidation as to what may await them once their mortal bonds are not so much cast off, as they are forcefully removed. My guess is few Plutocrats leave this world wishing they could have exploited more workers, impoverished more people, or added one more dollar to their fortunes. Death is the great teacher, and equalizer of us all.

      1. Mark Forsyth December 28, 2013

        In the words of the late Hank Williams “They’ll never get outa this world alive”.

        1. Bryan Blake December 28, 2013

          And then there is his spawn Junior who spews his crap that is dearly loved by the wolves in Fox clothing.

          1. Mark Forsyth December 28, 2013

            Too bad that Hank Sr. passed away too soon to teach his son some humanity.

      2. Allan Richardson December 28, 2013

        If they are the Christians they claim to be, Matthew 25 will help them, and us, to prepare to explain to Comrade Jesus why they called help for the needy “socialism.”

        1. CPAinNewYork December 31, 2013

          Forget the appeal to Christianity. Some of the biggest bastards in history claimed to be Christians doing God’s work.

      3. CPAinNewYork December 31, 2013

        I don’t think that anything bad will happen to either of them. Any “just desserts” will have to come to them on earth.

  4. Duckbudder December 28, 2013

    If this is what they want, fine. All a person that wants solar power has to do is completely sever ties with the Grid. Add a bank of storage batteries for when the Sun is not shining. Tell them to take there Coal fired electricity, and shove it up there ass.

    1. stcroixcarp December 28, 2013

      Why don’t the power companies get into solar and wind power? There are tons of money to be made in controlling energy.

      1. Bryan Blake December 28, 2013

        For the same reason that oil companies and other polluting and earth raping industries don’t move into the next and better transition of green energies and production/products. All of their money/wealth is invested in what they now own and they have no desire, much less incentive, to abandon their profitable industry for a new and uncertain economic model. Better to continue, in their minds, to make their Divine Dollars than to give up any hold on guaranteed future profits. Even if it leaves no future earth inhabitable by their progeny.

        Capitalist only change their economic models when forced to by other capitalist with the next transitional products and/or ideas. John D. Rockefeller dumped gasoline as a by product of his refineries until Edison and Westinghouse raced to electrify buildings and homes and his kerosene become unprofitable. With Ford’s mass production of cars and trucks Rockefeller’s gasoline then became the profitable portion of oil. Plastics would make much of the other waste profitable. So Rockefeller being both ruthless and astute survived the shift in use and marched into even greater prosperity. But carriage makers, kerosene lamp makers, horse ranchers and countless others have been left behind while the new took their place!

        THEREOF, you have the greatest fear of the Brothers Koch and their ilk. That is why they will spend a lot of their billions to protect their vast fortunes and power. Even if it destroys them, their family and the rest of humanity. It is the ultimate punishment of their form of greed-fueled capitalism. It shows no mercy for them so they will seek mercy only for themselves. The rest of us be DAMNED!

        1. Mark Forsyth December 29, 2013

          I have been reading about the French Revolution.The similarity of issues existing then and now is alarming.Even our own favorite President Abraham Lincoln said that The People have both a right and a responsibility to remove and replace the government when it has become burdensome and unresponsive to the needs and the will of The People.Slowly more and more people are adversely affected by the government that has been bought by the highest bidder by way of Citizens United.By now that ruling has got to be the Koch Brothers’ favorite piece of legislation.
          Perhaps it is not too early to build a new guillotine and send an invitation to the Kochs with an R.S.V.P.

        2. daniel bostdorf December 29, 2013

          They Call It Democracy song lyrics by Bruce Cockburn

          Padded with power here they come
          International loan sharks backed by the guns
          Of market hungry military profiteers
          Whose word is a swamp and whose brow is smeared
          With the blood of the poor

          Who rob life of its quality
          Who render rage a necessity
          By turning countries into labour camps
          Modern slavers in drag as champions of freedom

          Sinister cynical instrument
          Who makes the gun into a sacrament —
          The only response to the deification
          Of tyranny by so-called “developed” nations’
          Idolatry of ideology

          North South East West
          Kill the best and buy the rest
          It’s just spend a buck to make a buck
          You don’t really give a flying fuck
          About the people in misery

          IMF dirty MF
          Takes away everything it can get
          Always making certain that there’s one thing left
          Keep them on the hook with insupportable debt

          See the paid-off local bottom feeders
          Passing themselves off as leaders
          Kiss the ladies shake hands with the fellows
          Open for business like a cheap bordello

          And they call it democracy
          And they call it democracy
          And they call it democracy
          And they call it democracy

          See the loaded eyes of the children too
          Trying to make the best of it the way kids do
          One day you’re going to rise from your habitual feast
          To find yourself staring down the throat of the beast
          They call the revolution

          IMF dirty MF
          Takes away everything it can get
          Always making certain that there’s one thing left
          Keep them on the hook with insupportable debt

          And they call it democracy
          And they call it democracy

    2. johninPCFL December 28, 2013

      Since the equipment investment is not transferrable to a new house, the payback must occur while you live in that house. Selling the excess power back onto the grid is the ONLY thing that makes solar cost effective today, with a payback period (meaning recouping your installation costs with your ‘cheaper plus sold’ electricity) of six to ten years. Without that payback, the cost of solar has a payback time measured in decades.

      1. Duckbudder December 28, 2013

        Never said it would be cheep, but it is an option.

  5. midway54 December 28, 2013

    Two unspeakable scoundrels found at the topmost point of the country’s economic pyramid among the other plutocrats working to see that all average citizens reject those socialistic safety net statutes and fend for themselves in all circumstances, through their ownership of the political and media stooges doing an outstanding job of convincing the redneck yahoos and ignorant dupes to fornicate themselves (and all the rest of us) on election day

  6. howa4x December 28, 2013

    The saddest thing about the Brothers born by the fires of hell is that they inherited the company and it’s wealth. These are not to aspiring brothers that worked their way up. They lived a childhood of privilege and never had to suffer the indignity of having to live on Food or housing assistance. NO they started at the top. this is why they feel comfortable in their avarice. These children weren’t taught fairness they were taught how to win and to conquer. It blows me away that middle class people who have nothing in common with these two creatins and have everything to loose by their success. They don’t care how dirty the environment gets because they can move anywhere. But average middle class families can’t. their children will have to drink the contaminated water or the kind that lights on fire. Yet these same people will support the republican agenda of loosening environmental regulation that benefit the few and harm the many. what a world what a world!

    1. Bryan Blake December 28, 2013

      Inherited wealth is the worst wealth of all. The Koch brothers are the quintessential example of why the estate tax should strip a significant portion of unearned wealth from its recipients. Of course the Conservatives have spent untold millions to vilify the estate tax as the DEATH TAX! Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are setting the greatest example by leaving their heirs virtually nothing of their fortunes and giving them away through altruistic gifts for the benefit of the rest of humanity.

  7. AlfredSonny December 28, 2013

    Will the Koch brothers end up like those in “Assault on Wall Street”?

    1. Mark Forsyth December 29, 2013

      Better that they should end up like Louie and Marie.

  8. Canistercook December 28, 2013

    So the GOP has the Koch Brothers and the DEM has Soros and the Unions! So what else is new?
    Guess it depends on your opinion how ‘Good or Bad’ they are

  9. jmprint December 28, 2013

    Sadder to me is that religious orders approve by voting republican.

  10. Bryan Blake December 28, 2013

    These two brothers are the quintessential embodiment of Machiavellian self-interest and and their insatiable quest for power. They are definitely a modern variation of the new prince. By their public actions they have demonstrated that they are willingly to act immorally and through the brute force of money and the deceit it buys. Furthermore, they have demonstrated that they openly seek to buy elected officials/ politicians at all of levels of government. I am sure that Charles Koch, an educated man, who founded the Cato Institute is quite familiar with Machiavelli’s “Prince” and the nefarious political principles contained therein. Extreme right wing Libertarianism exemplifies the worst of human instincts and is a refuge only for those who seek the elevation of their own power in the oppression of all others, including business competitors. Government that serves the rich and ultra-rich by serving no one but their kind quickly serves no one. Totally unregulated economies always allow the brutal predatory instincts of capitalism to prevail and leave only the strongest and therefore most treacherous standing. It is a world beyond haves and haves not. It is a world of the ultimate Monarchy of Money. The system we now live under on steroids. The Koch brothers are spending untold millions or hundreds of millions on the destruction of our democracy and economy. Thus far they appear to be winning.

    As the article says their web of political influence is not fully known – but their political deceit is! Sitting members of SCOTUS attend the Koch brothers “retreats” along with many other politicians from all levels of government.

    Their father, Fred Koch, was a co-founder of The John Birch Society. Of course much of the gibberish of the Tea Party comes straight out of Birch mutterings. In the end Fred’s politics self destructed. Let us hope that his sons’ extremism follows suit. The brothers’ money inflated The Tea Party. When the Tea Party shut down the government and threatened default on our debt the first and richest hands they bit where those of Charles and David Koch. If I were writing their political demise it would be had with with the Tea Party chasing Brother Koch down the steps of Congress into a waiting crowd of Liberals with virtual pitchforks who would stick them until they are done!

    1. daniel bostdorf December 29, 2013

      Thank you for this great viewpoint and some history of the Koch’s…

  11. daniel bostdorf December 29, 2013

    The “Teaparty” was created by a group of affiliated Libertarian/Ayn Rand devotees ie billionaire global industrialists. Koch brothers are leading the charge.

    “The billionaires behind these groups weren’t trying to save democracy, 
they were trying to hijack it, and they were rich and powerful enough to
be able to essentially buy their own politicians and dupe a few 
thousand “American” activists to do their bidding.”

    Above quote taken from here:

    For this “movement” to succeed, it needs propagandists and media sympathizers.

    Teaparty has its propaganda mastermind, Karl Rove, paid by billionaire Koch Brothers. … The media outlets of Fox”news,”, Limbaugh, Beck, and a dozen others are shoving down the collective throat of American their intentional lies, distortions and bizarre theories about Obama…..

    Many banned right wing trolls at National memo attempted to spew their propaganda too.

    Rand Paul and his obsession with the neo facist, Ayn Rand, is a continuation of bizarre development of the “Teaparty.”

    This “playbook” by Rove and others is nothing new. Fascists need to create imaginary enemies. They play off the uneducated and racism of their fanatic followers who are conveniently in a depression era economy created by Bush and Wall Street/big bank greed. The American Right invented it’s imaginary Obama to try and get the USA to by into their fascism.

    Now after 6 years being cleaned up as best as possible by Obama….

    Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels (devotees include Fox “news”, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe) said it best:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    or as Adolph Hitler stated:
”Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

    The 1930’s had the Brown Shirts.
…The 1950’s had Joseph McCarthy…
The 1980’s had Ronald Reagan…
The late 1990’s had George Bush JR…
Today we have the Teaparty and the “red shirts” aligned fascists.

    “Citizens United” fiasco created by the right wing Supreme Court…has now legalized fascism.

  12. ORAXX December 29, 2013

    When vast wealth becomes concentrated in the hands of a very few people, it often leads those few people to the conclusion they have the inherent right to govern the country as they see fit.

    1. daniel bostdorf December 29, 2013

      Exactly—here is a great article in support of your statement:


  13. Gary Linsday December 29, 2013

    This article is full of holes, even though the basic premise is sound. The correct premise is that Solar is a long term plus to our national energy security, and it needs a favorable regulatory regimen to succeed.

    But in this case, Adding a surcharge on certain utility customers is not a tax. It’s an added fee on a bill to benefit a private company. The utility owners have a possibly valid point, that solar roofs are benefiting from a 24-7 grid which they only use marginally. Where the utilities are wrong is that solar owners are no different from efficient consumers with small bills.

    More solar means less need for fossil fuel generation, which argues for solar as improving the grid.. If utilites can show that there are daytime costs that solar users are not fairly contributing to, then

    One could argue that net metering at consumer rates is wrong. Utilities do not buy from wholesale producers at that rate, and I assume there is a significant overhead to managing thousands of solar roof accounts, meaning this is a subsidy to affluent

  14. sparky086 December 30, 2013

    my Aunty Eva recently got a nice 12 month
    old Audi allroad Wagon by working off of a macbook… look at this site

  15. Socialism is Evil. Organized. December 31, 2013

    Maintaining only those liberties useful to all restricts everyone else until once-free nations are reduced from vibrancy to melancholy.

  16. Jonathan Burton January 22, 2014

    When I encounter people who are evil incarnate, I pause and say a prayer for them. I pray that God see that they have a change of heart. I pray that the true purpose in life be revealed to them in such a profound way that they have their own Ebenezer Scrooge moment and awake to the reality of our shared existence on this Earth. I pray that these absolute and universal truths find their way into the hardened heads and hearts that they might use their resources to do good and to make a mends. Now, I have prayed this prayer for dictators, murderers, and all sorts of truly despicable people. But I will not say any prayers of conversion for the Koch brothers. I pray with all my heart for their death, and for it to be excruciating, humiliating, and poetic. I do not pray for them to change because there is no fucking way they would ever change. I do not and will not waste a single syllable on praying to God for the power to change them. With God all things are possible, but I do not think that even God can alter these twisted minds. As far as I am concerned, they deserve the most darkest, hottest and most miserable corner of hell, and for all eternity. Jesus once said that “It is easier for a Camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.” The Koch brothers are the fattest Camel ever to exist, and that needle they wouldn’t even contemplate passing through just became microscopic.


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