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Border Security Is Not An Immigration Cure-All

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Border Security Is Not An Immigration Cure-All

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With the opening of the new Congress, Republican lawmakers have been promising a renewed focus on border security as a supposed cure-all for America’s broken immigration system. Left unaddressed, though, is a simple question: How does border security address the status of millions of undocumented immigrants currently in the United States?

The answer is that it probably won’t, according to a person who knows a thing or two about immigration: Felipe Calderon.

In a recent interview, the former Mexican president told me that he believes the crackdown on undocumented immigration combined with intensified border security has prompted large numbers of undocumented Mexican laborers to remain in the U.S. permanently — even as many prefer to go home — out of fear they will never be able to return.

Calderon, who was president from 2006 to 20012, characterized the primary motive of undocumented Mexican immigrants as economic. Many, he said, are simply seeking to stay in the U.S. for a few years to earn money before returning home with cash to build houses and support families. But, he added, the American border crackdown has made the crossing so treacherous and expensive, many unauthorized immigrants already in the U.S. are staying put.

“Many of them are currently trapped,” Calderon told me. “There are a lot of these people [who] want to be in Mexico eight months every year, but they are unable to go there, because if they cross the border, they will never be able to cross back again.”

Calderon said he believes U.S. lawmakers should consider adding provisions to proposed immigration legislation that would permit “temporary work in a massive way,” but without giving immigrants automatic citizenship.

“I don’t believe that most of the Mexican workers looking for a job in the United States are wanting to be American citizens,” he continued. “They are looking for an opportunity to get economic benefits and actually thinking when they are leaving [Mexico] what will be the way in which they can go back to their own home.”

Calderon argued American political groups opposed to undocumented immigration — the kind that have backed statutes to toughen immigration enforcement — are prompting those already in the U.S. to stay and seek citizenship, even if that was not their initial goal.

“The American society, even the more conservative people, are getting exactly the contrary results that they were looking for,” he said. “In other words, anti-immigration laws are provoking millions of people living in the States that are unable to go back to their own countries. And they start to think, ‘Well if I need to stay here, it is better to do that all the way.'”

The narrow focus on border security is not just a Republican obsession. Indeed, last month, Obama pledged his administration is “going to be much more aggressive at the border in ensuring that people come through the system legally.” Those promises don’t seem like empty rhetoric — after all, Obama has deported record numbers of undocumented immigrants.

Of course, few quibble with the idea of basic border security that guarantees orderly transit into and out of the United States. The problem, though, is what Calderon alludes to: A singular obsession with border security may end up further complicating all the questions surrounding immigration.

That has consequences not just for public officials and campaign operatives trying to navigate the politics of such questions, but more importantly for the millions of immigrant families still caught in a dysfunctional system.

David Sirota is a senior writer at the International Business Times and the best-selling author of the books Hostile Takeover, The Uprising and Back to Our Future. Email him at ds@davidsirota.com, follow him on Twitter @davidsirota or visit his website at www.davidsirota.com.

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David Sirota is International Business Times' senior editor for investigations. He is also a nationally syndicated newspaper columnist and a bestselling author. He lives in Denver, Colorado and covers the intersection of money, politics and finance. He appears periodically on national television shows and is a "real guy represented by the character on ABC's The Goldbergs," according to Twitter.

In 2014, he was the winner of the Society of American Business Editors and Writers' investigative journalism award, and the winner of the Izzy Award for Journalism from Ithaca College's Park Center for Independent Media.

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  1. Lynda Groom February 13, 2015

    Total border security is a pipe dream being used to avoid having to take any positive action in the way immigration reform.

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    1. latebloomingrandma February 13, 2015

      You got that right. Taking a tough vote means you are accountable for it. It is better for re-election of you just constantly bloviate and get people to send you money.
      A sad state of affairs.

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  2. Dominick Vila February 13, 2015

    The biggest problem with higher fences and more border patrolmen is not that it ignores the existence of eleven million undocumented immigrants living and working in the USA, but that it is ineffective. A higher fences means higher ladders, more border patrolmen means waiting until they pass by to sneak in, destroying a tunnel means building two more tunnels.
    Advocates of this approach are doing is support the status quo, to ensure their wealthy campaign donors continue to profit from the labor of their virtual slaves, and avoid offending the sensitivities of their many of their constituents.
    Immigration law reform has nothing to do with fences, it requires a two prong approach to deal with those already living in the USA without proper documentation, and change the law in a way that it addresses labor demands in the USA. Those who jump fences to enter the USA illegally don’t do it because they need the exercise or because they are eager to hear our expressions of intolerance, they do it because they know there are plenty of businessmen eagerly awaiting their arrival to hire them.

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    1. tomtype February 13, 2015

      Americans still have an antipithy to having to carry full and complete personal ID. In many place it is still legal identification if you are walking to merely say your name and address. The police will sometimes illegally demand something better like a Driver’s license. Or if the fellow looks “foreign” they may demand to see either citizenship papers or such. Traditionally this was often felt to be a sure sign of the anti-Christ who was going to put the mark of the beast upon all who were not for God. So often it was more conservative Christians who wanted to be releaved of the very documents that would have made the foreigners who they feared more easily ID’ed. Maybe they didn’t realize that all black or brown faces were not demonic. I guess they just thought the officers should just be able to identify upon meeting who was born here and who was here illegally.

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      1. Dominick Vila February 13, 2015

        In addition to comprehensive immigration law reform that addresses our labor needs and makes it possible for immigrants to enter the USA legally, within the parameters we establish, the simplest way to deal with undocumented immigrants already in the country is to go after those who hire them, and put in place a national ID system – required for everyone – that includes, among other things, POB and/or naturalization status. Going after those “who look foreign” is absurd. I doubt a single police officer will ask a Ukrainian grandmother who entered the USA illegally via our Northern border for an ID because “she looks like a foreigner”. A more realistic term would be “those who look Latino”.

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        1. tomtype February 13, 2015

          Exactly the issue. As you say the Ukrainian grandmother doesn’t look like a foreigner, while the native born Latino from the Southwest, who were all made US citizens in 1848 upon annexation, is still perceived as “foreign.” So long as that happens, we will continue to make mistakes. We do not want national Identity cards, like they have in Europe, outside of England. We inherited that fear of a police state along with our language, and that national ID is seen as the first sign of a police state. So we have an old tradition that our statement is a required legal identity. And our own experience is that lots of immigrants lead to our rapid rise to World importance and World leadership. And we have always given immigrants a choice: learn English and succeed, or you can remain whatever you were before, and stay poor and uneducated. Other countries have tried forcing language minorities to learn the national language. And inevitably it leads to rebellion and resentment. And the language minorities continue on for centuries. Here, we don’t force, and we assimilate them within one or two generations. Why would anyone want to use the force idea, which had proven unsuccessful so many times in the past, when we have found the one sure way of assimilating people, that has worked so wonderfully, far beyond anyone could expect. And you want to chose the repeatedly disproven system? It seems to make sense, but so does optimism and we preach optimism all the time.

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          1. Dominick Vila February 13, 2015

            Bear in mind that most immigrants, including Latinos, try to learn English to get ahead and assimilate. Their children, the so called Dreamers in the case of Latinos, speak English a lot better than they speak Spanish.
            As for European countries, the issue of language is handled differently in each country. In Spain, for example, there are four official languages: Castillian, Catalan, Galician, and Euskera (Basque), plus two official dialects. Each Autonomous Community in Spain uses their official language, and it is taught in school, without fear of persecution or discrimination. Admittedly, they all speak Castilian (Spanish), in addition to their local language, but they do it out of necessity, and often with an accent. Similar circumstances can be found in Belgium, The Netherlands, and other European countries. The decision to let citizens exercise their preferences was based on the need to respect the history and traditions of the various people that comprise the society of those countries, and it did not affect their national identity in any way, albeit for the fact that members of some relatively small ethnic groups or individuals are determined to secede and seek independence.

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    2. mike February 13, 2015

      More of the same, open borders, let anyone and everyone in.
      Enforce the laws on the books would be a start. You try and use the business community as the guilty party but leave out this administrations ignoring deliberately the laws to secure the votes of the Hispanics.
      Calderon: they want to return home but they want to come back when they want. They want to work 8 months then go home. We know they cause lower wages and lost tax revenues, plus they overburden the welfare, health, and education systems in this country.
      Screw our laws, it is all about them and their illegal entry into this country.
      Whose country is it???

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      1. Dominick Vila February 13, 2015

        I haven’t heard a single Democrat support open borders. As for seeking Hispanic/Latino votes, rest assured, most legal immigrants understand the difference between Reagan style amnesty, Bush’s 2006 law encouraging Cuban medical personnel to come to the USA, and a temporary work permit that allows over 4 million people, with children born in the USA, to work here…until someone makes that temporary reprieve invalid.

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        1. mike February 13, 2015

          When did I say democrats?? Dems keep saying that the border is secure, remember??
          Mexico wants them here to send the billions back each year.
          What you won’t address is the fact they think our laws don’t matter and they should have the right to enter and leave at their leisure. Drive wages down, use the system and have no responsibility.
          They want to be for economic reasons but want us to ignore when it comes to their breaking our laws.
          Comprehensive immigration reform will not work as long as our borders are not closed/protected.

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          1. Dominick Vila February 13, 2015

            As you pointed out, most of the immigrants that break out immigration laws when they enter the USA without proper documentation (visas) do so for economic reasons. In addition to risking their lives, and deportation if caught, they pay substantial amounts of money to the “coyotes” that guide their way into the USA. Comprehensive immigration law reform that address our semi-skilled or unskilled labor needs, and that makes it unnecessary for people to jump fences would make those fences a relic of times gone by. What we need are immigration laws that address our needs, that screens newcomers to ensure criminal elements don’t enter the USA, and that monitors the whereabouts of people who enter the USA with temporary work permits and who must leave when those permits expire. The most effective tool to ensure people don’t enter the USA without the required visas is to fine and, if necessary, shut down the businesses or individuals that hire them. In fact, if they are repeat offenders I would put them in jail. No jobs without the necessary documentation = no illegal immigration.
            The real reason this problem has not been solved is not because our politicians don’t know how to solve it, but because the solution would impact the bottom line for many businessmen. The rider introduced in the DHS budgetary Bill does absolutely nothing to solve the illegal immigration problem. It simply delays its resolution indefinitely to ensure the status quo is preserved.

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          2. mike February 13, 2015

            Their economic problems are not,and should not be our problem. it is the country they come from.
            There are laws on the books to handle this immigration problem. They are not being enforced.
            You seem to forget the number of documentation people that just disappear and ignore their requirement to leave.
            The Republicans want to reform immigration but they require the border be secured, which is a no-go for democrats from the start.
            As to funding DLS, it is funded in the Bill but doesn’t fund Obama’s illegal move on immigration. Remember he said many many times he didn’t have the power.
            This has to with the over reach of the Executive Branch.

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          3. bobnstuff February 13, 2015

            At what time in history have the immigration laws been enforced? Securing the border will solve nothing since only half the Illegals come in that way and as has been
            stated it keeps them here. The laws has never worked and needs fixed. People keep saying enforce the laws we have, but if they don’t work what’s the point?

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          4. mike February 13, 2015

            Which is it, you said the laws are not enforced but yet they don’t work.
            No, secure the borders first, then fix the other problems or it will a continuous cycle.

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          5. bobnstuff February 13, 2015

            They don’t work because they can’t be enforced. Secure the borders, good luck on that one. Do you have any idea how long our border is. Just how are you planning to do it. 26 ft wall creates 28 ft ladders. The border isn’t this great big door you can just close. Also what about the sea coast? If you have some magic way of keeping people out please share it with the world because you will be the first one to do it.

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          6. mike February 13, 2015

            iI the border is not secured, good luck with ever fixing this mess. The moment our economy really turns around they will pour across again.
            There are some very sophisticated designs using triple barriers, motion detectors, cameras, etc..
            Your 26 foot wall is typical of your simpleton thinking. Few are coming by sea. I never said it was perfect or full proof.
            Only 10% of business are using E-verify in the past year.

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          7. bobnstuff February 13, 2015

            There are a number of countries out there that are trying to secure their borders and nothing is working. The cost is totally impractical as well. For the fence we are building now you are looking at over $1,000,000 per mile just to build them and then you have to man them. Fences you can go over or under. Read about some of the tunnels, they are impressive. Only a little over half the illegals come in over the border with Mexico so
            closing would only fix half the problem of new comers and it would only make them use more boats. Have you ever looked at the present
            laws. The enforcement is weak even when the are enforced. Employers never seem to go to jail. If corporations are people we need to start
            giving out the death penalty to the companies that hire illegals but corporations can tank the economy and no one goes to jail. The law is
            weak and needs fixed which is what has been being said for years.

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          8. mike February 14, 2015

            The cost per year to the Federal, State and Local govt. to provide services to illegals is well over 100 billion a year. So by your cost per mile that is a deal.
            As to enforcement,
            http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/125531-gao-report-border-patrols-hands-tied-by-interior-agriculture-rules

            http://cis.org/ICE-Illegal-Immigrant-Deportations

            Half is better than nothing.

            Obama’s immigration reform will not change or improve our illegal immigrant problem.

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          9. bobnstuff February 14, 2015

            The fence will cost $49 billion just to
            build and about $5 billion a year to maintain for something that will
            not work. Would it not make more sense to register them tax them and
            let them go home when they aren’t needed. We can regulate them if we know who they are and where they are. Make the people who employ them pay minimum wage and all the other things that come with employees. Have you ever wondered where the money to pay illegals come from. You must commit fraud to hide the money in a business that comes in and goes out with out paper work. How much tax dollars are we loosing
            with this underground economy? How much do we pay to keep people here that would go home if they had the chance. The President has started
            the registration of them and they are starting to come out of the shadows. We make the Illegals commit crimes to stay here, under the current law being here is not even a felony. The right say they want the government to be more business like, here the chance, go for the money.

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          10. mike February 14, 2015

            How in the hell do you know it won’t work??
            I guess you are the next Carnac!!!We already know they lower wages by almost 4% and you want these illegals to come and go as they wish.
            They are not citizens, Duh!!!
            So tell me, where are all those illegals that came in on visas but didn’t return when the visas expired? The govt sure doesn’t, but you being Carnac, who knows all and sees all, will fix it, Right????

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          11. bobnstuff February 14, 2015

            It didn’t work for Israel or Germany or anywhere else they have tried to build a wall. The wall we have already built doesn’t work. The Palestinians bring in most of there stuff past a wall that makes the one we want to build look simple. They found a tunnel in Tijuana that had a small railroad in it. There has never been a border wall that has ever worked. Add in the fact that the republicans don’t want to fix the problem and the whole debate becomes just a bunch of noise.

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          12. mike February 14, 2015

            It is working in Israel(90% drop in attacks), and did work in Germany keeping millions inside from getting out.
            So the San Diego wall doesn’t work, right?? How about 95% decrease in illegals getting in says BP numbers.

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          13. Dominick Vila February 13, 2015

            The problem with our current immigration laws is that they are modeled after the original laws put in place in 1935, when semi-skilled labor was plentiful, and more than willing to accept the jobs that were available at the time. Those laws were, and remain, designed to attract professionals to satisfy shortages in critical areas, such as healthcare, chemistry, physics, engineering, and in academia.
            For a number of reasons, including the fact that our population is the best educated in U.S. history, shortages in the professional field are tiny compared to the demands that exist for unskilled and semi-skilled labor in the agricultural, garment, hospitality, and constructions sectors. Add to that the greed of some employers and we have the perfect storm in our hands.
            Republicans, and some Democrats, don’t want to solve this problem because doing so would affect the interests of some of their campaign donors, would result in higher prices, and may contribute to inflation.
            Again, change the current laws to satisfy our labor needs, and go after the employers that hire illegal immigrants, and illegal immigration will come to a halt.

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          14. mike February 13, 2015

            You can bloviate all you want but the path Obama has taken does nothing to fix this mess. This is all about votes now and into the future.
            His action doesn’t reform the necessary changes needed to fix this illegal immigration problem.
            “change the current laws to satisfy our labor needs” I know you will like to expand that thought.

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          15. Dominick Vila February 14, 2015

            This is all about fulfilling a promise he made on the campaign trail in 2008. Illegal immigrants cannot vote, and many legal Latinos and Hispanics disagree with his decision to allow 1/3 of illegal immigrants to work legally in the USA.
            Hispanic Cubans are overwhelmingly Republican. You have to go no further than looking at Cruz, Rubio, and other Hispanic members of Congress to understand that.
            A large percentage of Latinos in Texas, including a couple mentioned in this article (Pena) are Republicans, elected by fellow Latinos.
            The only group that appreciated President Obama’s reprieve from deportation are the Dreamers, most Latinos prefer Reagan style amnesty.
            President Obama acknowledged that his EO does not fix the illegal immigration problem. In part because it is a TEMPORARY, limited measure, designed to promote action by Congress, and because he cannot write, pass, and sign laws of a permanent nature. That can only be done by Congress.

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          16. mike February 14, 2015

            I sometimes wonder where you get some of your thoughts. Last election over half the Cuban voted for Obama and most of the young Cubans are more concerned not about Cuba, but their own lives.
            He gives Congress two months to come up with a plan, Hell, he gives Iranians years’ but not to Republicans.
            His only agenda is more democratic votes, the heck with this country. This is an attempt at some kind legacy which isn’t going so well for him so far.

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          17. Dominick Vila February 14, 2015

            I agree with your assessment about Cuban-Americans. A large number of young Cuban-Americans no longer share the Cold War fears that consumed their elders. About half of them voted for President Obama, although that does not mean they are registered Democrats. They liked what they heard, and they voted for the man who they believed represented their values and goals best.
            President Obama did not give Congress two months to make our immigration laws more effective and representative of our current needs, and deal with the issue of illegal immigrants already in the USA. First and foremost, this is not a new issue. If there are politicians in Washington who remain unaware of this problem, and who have not given it some thought, they should consider moving to the nearest assisted living facility. Congress can, and should, take their time finding solutions that solve this problem once and for all. Higher fences and more border patrolmen are not going to solve this problem.

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          18. mike February 14, 2015

            Come on Dom, when did the Republicans take control of Congress?? Jan. 1st. 2015!!
            This month and May, illegals can sign up for work permits and deferred action on deportation.
            That in fact is less than 2 months.

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          19. Dominick Vila February 14, 2015

            Boehner did not become Speaker of the House 6 weeks ago. Name a piece of legislation from House Republicans designed to provide short and long term solutions to this problem. If you can’t find any, besides higher fences and more border patrolmen, you are not alone. Most importantly, anyone who believes the GOP is going to come forth with comprehensive immigration law reform, or a viable solution to the illegal immigration problem dealing with those already in the USA, better find a very comfortable chair because they have a long wait in their hands. The reason the GOP is reluctant to address this issue, in a way designed to solve this problem, is because they have to satisfy a segment of their party whose only idea of solving this is mass deportation, and at the same time satisfy the labor needs of their campaign donors. With that in mind, neither Sen. McCain’s “Guest Worker Program”, nor President Obama’s TEMPORARY Work Permits, or anything else that changes the status quo will ever come to fruition. Not in 2 months, 2 years, or 20 years.

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          20. mike February 14, 2015

            I see you got that selective memory again. In less than 2 months in session with a new Congress, now controlled by the right and with little time to put a bill forward, Obama’s EO is gong into effect. That’s a fact which you can’t deny.
            Tell me when a govt program, this massive, has been temporary or eliminated.
            Keep that Carnac thing going, we will see.

            The Senate majority is new. The issue has been and will continue to be broached, just because it doesn’t fit what you demand does not make it a bad bill. The left has refused increased security in the past and so save me the outrage about in 2 months, 2 years, 20 years.

            As long as sanctuary cities, welfare, education and jobs and principally lack of enforcement, Obama’s catch-and-release, and enabling by the fed. govt. keep being available to undocumented aliens, they will continue to cross the border at all most any expense.
            What we don’t know is how many terrorists and criminals have entered this country from the southern border.

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          21. Dominick Vila February 14, 2015

            What new “massive program” are you referring to? Are you talking about the EO that grants a TEMPORARY WORK PERMIT to undocumented immigrants who have been in the USA for over 5 years and who had children born in the USA? I realize this is semantics, but that is not what most people understand as a “program”. Whether or not a President has the constitutional authority to grant such a privilege is up for debate.
            On the issue of terrorists entering the USA via our Southern border, I expected better from you. The terrorists that attacked us on 9/11, the ones responsible for the murders during the Boston marathon, and those suspected to be members of radical Islamic terrorist cells entered via our international airports, most of them with tourist and/or student visas. They don’t have to risk capture trying to jump fences.

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          22. mike February 14, 2015

            When you add 5 million new people into the mix, fraught with possible abuse, from driver licenses, SS numbers and the possibility of improper registering to vote illegally. Many see fraud and last week State election officials were testifying before congress with these concerns. That is why I said massive. All which the left would love. We already have cases of democratic officials being convicted of election fraud.
            You keep ignoring or just don’t know the documentation of Muslims entering on the southern border. Just last fall 10 ISIS were caught entering from the southern border. Just how many were not caught is the question.

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          23. Dominick Vila February 14, 2015

            The left loves 4 million illegal immigrants working legally in the USA? Are you saying that labor unions are right wing organizations?
            The last thing illegal immigrants are interested in is voting or getting close to any government organization.
            There are legitimate concerns associated with this issue, without resorting to hyperbole.

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          24. mike February 15, 2015

            Hyperbole, Really!!! That’s funny.
            I think you had too much Valentine chocolate yesterday on your first two sentences.
            Again, I see old Carnac coming forward when you say ‘last thing IM are interested in is voting”, the State Election Heads were before Congress with their concerns that they will not have the apparatus in place to spot those illegals from registering.
            As to democratic officials and voter fraud, it happened in 2012. At least 10 states democratic officials have been caught.
            As Muslims keep dreaming if you don’t think it is happening.

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          25. Dominick Vila February 15, 2015

            Wow! Reaching conclusions because State Election Heads used scare tactics to get more funding from Congress is pathetic. State officials did not offer proof that illegal immigrants have voted, they simply said that their systems do not have the capability to identify illegal immigrants. If you think illegal immigrants come here to vote and influence our elections you are delusional. Most of them don’t speak English, some are illiterate, and almost every single one of them is more interested in making money to support their families than voting for political candidates they could care less about. For them, we are all “Gringos”. Our political affiliation is meaningless to them.

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          26. mike February 15, 2015

            Only in your mind are they using scare tactics. I never said they have voted, I said the possibility of abuse is real.
            They come here for a better life and if they can help control their lives they will do whatever it takes, including voting. You are the delusional one if you think they wouldn’t take advantage of voting. That is a human instinct.
            The southern border is not secure, terrorists and criminals are crossing the border, illegals are taking billions of tax payers money in govt. services.
            Obama’s immigration reform not only makes it easy for more abuse of our system but changes little. If securing the border is not a major part of reform, nothing will change and the cycle will continue.

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          27. Dominick Vila February 15, 2015

            I guess you have never lived in Third World countries. I have. Voting means little for a large segment of the population in Latin American countries, especially among illiterate peasants, who not only cannot vote because they don’t even know how to read or write, but because they consider that an exercise in futility. If you think that people who don’t even speak English are going to head for the polls to vote, you are really kidding yourself. In any case, if some among them did, it would not be for people who grant TEMPORARY WORK PERMITS, but for members of the party that grants AMNESTY, permanent residency, and a path to citizenship. Namely, the Republican party.
            Again, why would any terrorist risk getting caught jumping fences when they can enter the USA via international airports with student or tourist visas? That allegation is as obtuse as claiming that medical doctors dropped patients who were unable to pay for services rendered, when they got insurance via the ACA exchanges.

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          28. mike February 15, 2015

            This not Latin America.
            Here is where your argument goes wrong Carnac. Lets say, if by some miracle all these illegals were made citizens, you are saying they still wouldn’t vote?? Baloney???

            As to the terrorist, they are coming across the southern border. Are you that out of touch?? In one of the congress hearings DHS Johnson was asked about 4 members of a terrorist organization considered a terrorist organization by US were caught on the border and replied he thought they were still being held. Did it ever dawn you some might be on a watch list and with the help of the cartels could cross over very easily. Cartels would love to destroy this country.
            I don’t and you sure don’t know what is happening on the border.

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          29. Dominick Vila February 15, 2015

            I did not say that, and I don’t doubt that some of the illegal immigrants that were granted amnesty by President Reagan, and who are now naturalized U.S. citizens exercise their right to vote.
            My point is that illegal immigrants cannot vote. That those who are illiterate, and those who remember the futility of voting in their homelands, don’t vote, and would not even know what a voting card says or means. Not only because they don’t speak English, but because many of them don’t even know how to read or write.
            The last thing drug cartels would do is kill the hen that is laying their golden eggs. A terrorist could come from anywhere, but the overwhelming majority, including those who attacked us on 9/11, entered the USA via our international airports, with visas that allowed us to come in legally. Why would they risk being caught when they can do it legally? Paranoia is treatable, I don’t know about the desperation that makes people make ridiculous assertions to justify indefensible positions.

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          30. mike February 16, 2015

            There is a big difference in “cannot vote” and an “attempt to vote”. Not all illegals are as dumb or illiterate as you make them out to be. There will always be people that will try and game the system. We saw it in the last election, democratic election officials gaming the system and ending up going to jail.
            Cartels are criminals, if the money is right they will do anything. What you can’t grasp is that they would love to see havoc so they can take advantage of it.
            As you well know there has been a crack down on student visas from middle east countries and other suspected areas. What I find incredulous is you believing that they aren’t crossing the border, when we have documented proof that some have been caught trying to enter. How many have made it we will never know. Keep believing there is not a fifth column in this country. Continue to live in your la la land.

            Paranoia now that’s funny!!!

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          31. Dominick Vila February 16, 2015

            You are correct in saying that not all the Latinos and Hispanics that come to this country are illiterate. However, do you honestly believe educated illegal immigrants are going to try to cheat the system to be able to vote in the USA? I spent about 14 years in Latin America, and I can guarantee you that is not going to happen. Illegal immigrants stay as far away from our government institutions as possible for fear of getting caught and deported.
            You are 100% correct in saying that the Mexican – and all other – drug cartels are criminal institutions who stop at nothing to profit. That is precisely why they will do nothing against us. They depend on our willingness to buy what they sell to exist.

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          32. mike February 16, 2015

            The Cartels everyday are doing something against us with impunity. If they can force the govt. to spend less time on them by creating havoc with terrorists, they will do it and the monies/drugs will still keep flowing over the border.

            I was involved in 2012, when a Hispanic man attempted to vote. I watched the challenge in the precinct, a white American women brought an illegal who could spoke little english, could barely spell his name and wanted to vote. The women tried to control the conversation and wanted to be in the booth with the man. The judge after a lengthy period of time allowed him to vote provisionally, lawyers(both sides) brought in, officials brought in, and questions arose how he could have been registered, when he could barely read or write. The board of elections is controlled by democrats and why the man wasn’t challenged at that initial point is mystery.

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      2. kenndeb February 13, 2015

        commies have control over our country

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        1. bobnstuff February 13, 2015

          This has what to do with immigration? Countries run by Commies have no immigration problems. No one wants in.

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          1. kenndeb February 13, 2015

            Under this regime, people will soon be wanting out of the country. The Emperor’s “fundamental change” is turning America into a soviet style police state. Those supporting this regime are traitors to America.

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          2. bobnstuff February 13, 2015

            See he fixed the problem. You must be part of the ruling party since we can speak freely here.

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          3. kenndeb February 14, 2015

            We can speak freely because of the American Constitution, but under the Emperor’s agenda, that is an outdated piece of paper that needs to be scrapped. If people like you continue to support this tyrant, all our rights and freedoms will be gone soon.

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          4. bobnstuff February 14, 2015

            He had better hurry up since he has less then two years to do it in. In the next two years he has to take
            all our guns, take over all industry, put us all in camps, make everyone convert to Islam and cause the collapse of the country. He had better hurry.

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          5. kenndeb February 15, 2015

            He’s well on his way. Executive decrees have continued to trash our second amendment rights, and his agenda IS weapons. He has destroyed many industries that have cost Americans hundreds of thousands of jobs, and has added to the unemployment rolls. Once he declares martial law, he WILL be putting those that oppose him into those thousands of FEMA camps than he has had built. He supports Sharia law and Islam over American interests. Our country IS collapsing morally, and finantialy under this regime. This Emperor should be arrested and tried for high crimes against America, along with his supporteers.

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          6. bobnstuff February 15, 2015

            You are so silly. Just what industry did the President cost job cuts? Coal, more being mined then ever,
            Oil, record production. What industry did he kill? What second amendment rights did he take way with executive order? What 1000’s of FEMA camps? The rightest of the right wing only put the number at 800
            and not all are ex military bases. Just who is going to enforce martial law? Did you know that the so called FEMA camps were created under Bush not Obama as a response to Katrina. There aren’t enough police to enforce the traffic laws and do you really think the Army would do it for this president? You are so silly.

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  3. janis mcdonald February 13, 2015

    There is only one way to stop illegals from coming here — severely punish the people who hire them! Cutting off taxpayer-funded handouts would help (it’s even too ridiculous to think about — you break into my house and then I take care of you while you stay!).

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    1. adler56 February 13, 2015

      Janis- most of these immigrants work- you buy the Fox crap that they’re all on food stamps. The Republicans are not going to punish the wealthy Republicans who hire them.

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      1. janis mcdonald February 13, 2015

        Then the republicans aren’t really on the side of the people, are they? Unfortunately, neither are the democrats!

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        1. TheSkalawag929 February 13, 2015

          Democrats are more for the people than republicans. Plus you can make your case with democrats. With republicans it’s their way or the highway.

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          1. paulyz February 13, 2015

            The Democrats are more for Amnesty & opposing mandatory E-verify than the Republicans, & Millions of illegals definately do not help the people.

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  4. TheSkalawag929 February 13, 2015

    I wonder what the numbers are for those who come here with the intention of going back home.
    Would it be possible to make it more difficult to enter the country while making it easier to leave, as it seems to me that the article alludes to being part of the solution?

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker February 13, 2015

      Until employers STOP hiring illegals, they’ll keep coming. They KNOW they will be favored for their cheaper salaries over Americans.

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      1. TheSkalawag929 February 13, 2015

        Would you say that We Americans are a considerable of the problem with our incessant quest for lower prices for quality goods?
        I remember when buying products from any of the Asian countries was the punchline to a joke or an insult.
        We use to pay for our lifestyle by investing in quality goods at a fair price made in the U.S.A. I think that we got caught up in chasing paper wealth and turned away from tangible wealth.

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      2. paulyz February 13, 2015

        Well I agree with you on that. That is why we need mandatory E-verify with very stiff fines, along with border security and solving the problem of visa overstays. We need to get that solved before we can tackle the other issues, or they will just continue.

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      3. TheSkalawag929 February 13, 2015

        I think they come here with the dream of striking it rich then going back home. But once they get here they are confronted with reality. They are not favored. They are exploited.
        They are blamed for low wages but because of their status they have no one to complain to. So employers get away with a two fer, exploitation and wage depression.
        I think if you can stop the exploitation it would make it easier to resolve the other issues.

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    2. adler56 February 13, 2015

      Read it again scalawag- they want to come and go as needed for work here. It’s already more difficult to enter- and more expensive.
      When crops start rotting in the fields Republicans will come up with a solution. You have to hit those clowns in the pocketbook before you get any action.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker February 13, 2015

        And if employers businesses were shut down until they got rid of all of their illegals, would they still “come and go?”

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        1. TheSkalawag929 February 13, 2015

          Probably not, but then again there probably wouldn’t be a lot of anything coming and going if that was to happen. Just conjecture on my part.

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          1. tomtype February 13, 2015

            Formerly, there was a lot of coming and going with migrant labor. They came to help harvest and then returned to Mexico. That was among the first thing we cut off, saying we had plenty of unemployed who should be taking those jobs. People born and raised in the city didn’t know anything about agriculture, and knew they should not have to work that hard, stooping and lifting all day. Even more among whites than blacks, contrary to an initial guess. Plus there were no public transportation to get to work. Farmers didn’t want US unemployed, the unemployed didn’t want those jobs, couldn’t do certain aspects, and couldn’t even get there, so they didn’t want the jobs either. But we couldn’t take jobs away from Americans, could we?

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          2. TheSkalawag929 February 13, 2015

            …”we had plenty of unemployed who should be taking those jobs…”
            Probably a conservative idea that grew out of getting people off of the “welfare” roles.
            As your reasoning points out it was an unworkable plan.

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          3. tomtype February 13, 2015

            Everyone forgets we remove people from semi-subsistence situations, where they can still grow part of their own food, move them into the city, where no one grows their own food. We put them into high rises, where even if one wanted, there is no land upon which to grow food. Then we wonder why these people who have been urbanized or 2-3 generations, don’t know how to plant a garden, expect to have a job doing one operation in a factory, which is so efficient that they are many times more productive, never have to learn something they can’t learn in half a day, give them a limited education, that barely prepares them for that one routine job. And then we ask why they can’t be entrepreneurs, innovators, and deep thinkers. Duh?

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          4. Eleanore Whitaker February 13, 2015

            That assumes that ALL US employers are hiring illegals, doesn’t it? The reality is that those skank businesses doing all the illegal hiring can’t make it without illegals working for minimum wage. The responsibility for the success of ANY business lies with the owners. Not with customers, taxpayers or exploited illegal laborers. IF they can’t function without illegals, they don’t belong in business. We all know that they whine and complain about paying high taxes when that’s the furthest thing from the truth. They are stuffing their pockets with profits and then running to taxpayers to bail them out or…hiring illegals to cut their wild spending losses.

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          5. gunslinger February 13, 2015

            So what you are saying is that anyone who has sex with an enslaved and exploited minor child are not themselves responsible for their actions but rather ALL blame is on the “PIMP” which facilitated the client with an exploited child??? WTF, you make me nuts bro!

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      2. TheSkalawag929 February 13, 2015

        I understand the “come and go part”. My question is “How many of them are there?
        I also understand that it is very difficult to enter the country illegally and I’m not suggesting that we make it a commute for them. My question is how can we make easier for those who come here with the intent to leave and return home as they planned rather than causing them to remain here when they would rather go back home?
        I agree with your attention getting target.

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      3. paulyz February 13, 2015

        The problem isn’t really (seasonal) migrant workers, that is actually a small percentage of Illegals. There are Millions of Illegals in just about every type of employment now. Why we need mandatory E-verify, as well as better control of Legal migrant workers.

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    3. 788eddie February 13, 2015

      Border Patrol members I’ve talked with have said that, at least at some times, those heading back are in greater numbers. It depends what the jobs situation is like in both countries.

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  5. adler56 February 13, 2015

    Sounds like the voice of reason. You would think we could have figured that out if Republican losers had any interest in doing the right thing. Republican
    growers are the beneficiaries of the Mexican labor- but they can’t seem to let go of their Simon Legree outlook.

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    1. paulyz February 13, 2015

      You must realize that along with the people wanting cheap labor, (but very expensive to us that subsidize these Illegals in health care & education) there is the politicians, mainly Democrats, that keep opposing really securing the border or passing mandatory E-verify. It is a combination of both of these that hurts us all, left or right. Let’s try to agree on solving the problem instead of useless arguing on the reasons.

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      1. tomtype February 13, 2015

        Illegals are excluded from Obamacare. So the subsidy will continue to be absolutely free mandated Emergency Room care, which is also the most costly. In part, because we won’t just deal with the total problem, but keep handling it piece meal. Same as insisting we deal with one aspect or another rather than tackling the entire problem. Probably because we don’t really want to solve the issues.

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        1. paulyz February 13, 2015

          The problem is because we ” haven’t” been dealing with it piecemeal, there is only Congresses’ “comprehensive” plans that only “promise” the enforcement. This is exactly why the 1986 one-time solution didn’t work. People rightly do not believe they will enforce any new Laws either, because they haven’t. If they really wanted this mess solved, they have had decades to do so.

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          1. tomtype February 13, 2015

            Enforcement is again dealing with only a part. Part of the issue is also the lack of economic opportunity in Mexico, the gangs trained in LA and returned to Central America, where the police are not as strong or sophticated as in the US and have been overwhelmed, even as the LA police were. It is US farmers using mechanized agriculture that far undercut small scale, far less mechanized Mexican agriculture. And Mexico making modernizing agriculture a very low priority. It is Mexico not growing fast enough to absorb small farmers and agriculture workers.
            The US assumes it is just Mexicans sneaking over the border. We actually have as many who enter legally, then overstay. Or doing something like take jobs and stay.
            We worry about the Mexican but not he Irish girl or the Balkan worker.

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        2. gunslinger February 13, 2015

          When are “illegals” not “illegals”? When they are not deported but rather given work permits that ultimately give them all the privileges (Obamacare and more) as our U.S. CITIZENS!

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          1. tomtype February 13, 2015

            Oh my the shock and dismay that illegals could in any way be made something other than illegals. I thought the idea was to find a way that they could come out of the shadows and just become regular, law abiding citizens. After all the vast majority committed no other crime than not coming her legally. Which was because they just wanted to have a chance to be successful.
            It’s a good thing that the Indians didn’t have a very sophisticated ICE. Otherwise you too might still be an illegal immigrant after several generations.

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      2. 788eddie February 13, 2015

        paulyz, have you read my comments above regarding E-verify. It seems as if you are, at least somewhat, conservative. Do you really want to go in this direction??

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  6. Eleanore Whitaker February 13, 2015

    Why punish illegals? That’s stupid. These illegals are hired in the millions by employers breaking the laws. Nice how some Americans bitch and complain about illegals but not employers who knowingly and illegally hire them.

    Here’s an example of how some employers in NJ are getting away with hiring illegals. Two are relatively medium sized businesses. In the one case, more than half of the employees in warehousing and distribution are illegals who speak NO English. So, the employers (who also speak no Spanish) hire an illegal, give him a title of “manager” and then comes OSHA meetings in Spanish while English speaking Americans stand there wondering what the hell the Spanish speaking manager is saying. Not dangerous?

    Then, there’s the packing and picking jobs. All are illegals hired who can’t read labels in English because they speak NO English. So what does Mr. Bottom Line Concern ONLY Employer tell the handful of English speaking employees? Learn to speak Spanish! Balls? You bet.

    It is long past time for the government to go after employers hiring these illegals in the hundreds to work at less than minimum wages using the threat of deportation.

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    1. gunslinger February 13, 2015

      You are right, we must make ENGLISH the official language of these UNITED STATES! Regardless of employers hiring them for cheap, the real problem come when our government does not enforce our laws and greater yet subsidizes them while they are engaged in known illegal activity and give them citizenship no less, Who do you really think helps these illegals stay here, the low wages from their employer or the hope of government rewards to come from gaming the system.

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      1. Dominick Vila February 13, 2015

        Requirements for naturalization (Citizenship) include speaking English, and passing a test that includes questions such as U.S. history and government. Don’t confuse what LEGAL Hispanics/Latinos do and get with what illegal immigrants get.

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        1. gunslinger February 13, 2015

          you don’t believe that crap do you? When Oba’maniac disregards the law of the land? Are you kidding me really? Am I dreaming there is someone this naïve?

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          1. Dominick Vila February 13, 2015

            Talk to any naturalized American and I bet they will corroborate what I just said. Don’t confuse naturalization, citizenship, with temporary work permits. Those are two entirely different topics.

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      2. Eleanore Whitaker February 13, 2015

        No matter how you slice it, NO work for illegals? No illegals. You can try and blame the government all you like. But, you’ll first need to admit that it’s the GOP who won’t do one thing about employers who HIRE them to provide the WORK that keeps them here.

        Go after the employers first. Then, see the numbers of illegals drop. I’m tired of my NJ federal taxes being handed to border states who then pass laws like they did in TX that allows Texans to hire illegals. What the hell is that if not Conservative double speak?

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        1. gunslinger February 13, 2015

          Are you kidding??? What illegal needs a job with all the welfare and liberal aid available. Hey bro, you sound like another one of those “low information” voters! Stick your head up and find out WTF is going on! You are just too hateful towards successful people that you want to reward failures.

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          1. Louis Allen February 13, 2015

            gun: EXACTLY !!
            You certainly have the ability to smell a rat ….
            “You are just too hateful towards successful people that you want to reward failures.”
            That, my friend, is known as “hitting the (stupid, in this case) nail in the head.”

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    2. Louis Allen February 13, 2015

      Lenore:
      I smell a BIGOT !!
      Your biggest insult, and you happen to be one.

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  7. James Bowen February 13, 2015

    Immigration restrictionists actually know very well that border security is not a cure all. What restrictionists are interested in in interior enforcement (mandatory E-Verify, SSN-No Matching, severe employer sanctions, etc.). Those who favor amnesty know this, and that is why they get much more excited about interior enforcement than they do about border security.

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    1. FireBaron February 13, 2015

      The problem is their big donors are the ones who are hiring the illegals. If they try to favor enforcement of existing laws calling for the fining and imprisonment of the offenders who hire the illegals, there will be a lot of upset major donors to the Republican Party!

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      1. James Bowen February 13, 2015

        Yes, corrupt, greedy employers who are big donors and lobbyists are the real reason for our illegal immigration problem, among other things. The American people need to make Congress more afraid of the voters than the donors. What happened to Eric Cantor provides an inkling as to how that can be done.

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        1. gunslinger February 13, 2015

          The 2014 mid terms were a referendum on the dislike for illegal immigration!!! Period! Liberals can’t “spin” their way out of it no matter how hard they try!

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          1. tomtype February 13, 2015

            There are all kinds of things we are sure we wouldn’t like even if given an opportunity to experience them. In fact we were sure when we were children would would not life half the stuff we like today. It really doen’t mean a thing.

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      2. gunslinger February 13, 2015

        The government is helping to facilitate the illegals by not enforcing our immigration laws and rolling out the welfare red carpet!!! But you know who pays for it, taxpayers! How can you defend your argument? The Obama administration is the greatest proponent of illegal immigration, hands down!

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      3. hicusdicus February 13, 2015

        And the democratic party.

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    2. gunslinger February 13, 2015

      Here is some effective interior enforcement: have check points in the middle of high bridges over rivers and demand everyone’s paperwork……. if you have it, go on……… if you don’t, jump and swim. I know this is a simple solution but sometimes they work the best!

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  8. Eleanore Whitaker February 13, 2015

    Check the amount of tax dollars in the just ONE decade handed to border states for border patrol, over $20 billion.

    Americans are growing ever more ridiculous. It’s time to show us the money. If we are going to hand over $20 billion in 10 years to these border states, they damn well better stop passing laws like TX did in 2011 that allows maids and yard workers to be hired.

    All that $20 billion did was provide more revenue for border states to spend on everything BUT border patrol…Show us the money. If you got that funding, why has nothing improved? I’ll show you why:

    Here is the law as TX approved it:

    Texas state Rep. Aaron Pena, a Republican, said the exception is a
    wise one.

    “With things as they are today, her bill will see a large
    segment of the Texas population in prison” if it passes without the
    exception, he said.

    “When it comes to household employees or yard workers it is
    extremely common for Texans to hire people who are likely undocumented
    workers,” Pena said. “It is so common it is overlooked.”

    The bills and other illegal immigration-related bills filed by
    Riddle and others reflect an increased pressure from constituents for action on
    the issue, Pena said. Because the federal government isn’t doing its job,
    residents press state officials to act, he said.

    Leo Berman, a Republican state representative, agreed that there
    was a stronger voice from Texas voters on the issue. “Absolutely,” he
    said.

    So, TX takes your tax dollars and then just goes about the business of continuing to hire illegals.

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    1. Dominick Vila February 13, 2015

      What would life be like without low-paid Nannies taking care of Junior while Mommy shops at her favorite boutique…

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      1. gunslinger February 13, 2015

        It would be tough for some I’m sure. But let’s make sure all they get is LOW PAID and NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!!!!! Otherwise, WTF do we want them here for??????

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        1. hicusdicus February 13, 2015

          They also commit a lot of crimes. They laugh at our system and then use it to the hilt. Dumb gringo’s.

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  9. Eleanore Whitaker February 13, 2015

    It’s almost a joke that the red states screaming the loudest about border patrol funding are the very states allowing the hiring of illegals. Republicans know damn well that these employers are sinking the US job market by allowing their red state employers to get away with illegal hiring of immigrants. After all, it isn’t THEIR red states providing that funding, it’s blue states.

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    1. gunslinger February 13, 2015

      Having the illegals work here on a limited basis for cheap was just fine until all the bleeding heart liberals wanted to give them citizenship etc. that equates to someone else’s money and typical of most communist agendas.

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      1. charleo1 February 13, 2015

        Ronald Reagan the Communist? Really?

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      2. Eleanore Whitaker February 14, 2015

        Really? So now Texas, who has a law on the books allowing the illegal hiring of illegals is a liberal state? You are such a liar.

        The bleeding heart liberals are NOT the ones with those plantation mentalities that want to take their “country back” to Plantation days of cheap and free labor.

        Act like a man. Not a two bit wuss who throws everyone but yourself under a bus. The states with the highest number of illegals are states that are RED with the exception of CA which has been hiring illegals who get to CA through TX. Big Rich Texas, That Whole Other Country sucking off the rest of the states for subsidies.

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        1. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

          Sucking off, you seem to like that word. Slavery is an abomination but it is not cheap or free. Were you not a slave to the Republicans for many years? You might be cheap but you surely were not free. You have most likely put more people on the therapists couch than a itchy bag of ball peen hammers.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker February 15, 2015

            Some of us were Republicans so we could exercise our Constitutional right to vote. What the hell cost is there to FREE slave labor? Or sharecroppers.

            You pissants of the right don’t like to face facts. The only reason for the Civil War was to send poor white farm sharecroppers sons off to war to keep states’ rights to own slaves…who worked for free. FREE…got that Juice Boy? FREE…as in throw the “darkies” a few scraps and let them work 15 hour days with no future.

            Sorry, if you can’t impose your BS right wing “Plantation mentality” on those of us who have EVERY right to be PAID for our labor. You live off the fats of our labors. You sit there day after day at a computer keyboard playing Cyber Master of the Universe when you are nothing more than flotsam in the sea of narrow beak brains.

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  10. Eleanore Whitaker February 13, 2015

    Unlike some Americans, I absolutely refuse to accord Republicans the entitlement to rule MY government with an iron hand. I also do not now, nor ever intend to espouse the idea that we have NO control over Republicans. Yes…we do. We pay their salaries. Until Charley and Davey Krotch take over the responsibility of paying the GOP salaries, then and only then do the GOP Animal House frat boys get to play tyrants.

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    1. Louis Allen February 13, 2015

      Ellie dear:
      Listen to yourself, sweetie !
      What’s the matter, your hemorrhoids flaring up again?
      Go, go, go (quickly, dear!) to your psychiatrist friend.
      I have tried, I have REALLY tried, to get you to see a shrink.
      Oh brother.

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  11. paulyz February 13, 2015

    I believe the issue of border security is something we can all agree on regardless of political ideology. Along with border security we need mandatory E-verify with very stiff fines, and the stopping of visa overstays.
    Poll after poll show a majority of all Americans want this, as well as a large majority of Legal Hispanics. We need to get a handle on the causes of people entering here illegally before we can really solve this problem. We have had many “comprehensive” plans, but with the lax enforcement measures and not E-verify or a secure border, the problems continue and will continue.
    Had we all worked together to solve this properly we could have got on with the other immigration issues that just grow larger and more difficult. There are many reasons why we must have a fully secured border, especially now with the issues of National Security, diseases, drugs & criminals. And to keep those deported from entering again. Also of course is the cost of increased health care, education, unemployment, & overuse of natural resources with increasing overpopulation. And even more dependence on foreign oil.
    Once these problems are addressed and solved by taking away the political reasons for it, we can focus on other issues. Legal Hispanics or any Legal Immigrants are a benefit to American society, but Illegals of ANY nationality is a serious problem.

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    1. 788eddie February 13, 2015

      E-verify, as you suggest, paulyz, comes with a price: national registration of every legal American. I know we all have a Social Security card and number, but the last time a national I.D. card was brought up, the overwhelming support against it in congress (bi-partisan to boot), killed it.

      I’m not sure that we’re ready yet for a “Bigger Brother.”

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      1. gunslinger February 13, 2015

        Without it, no one is really serious about controlling illegal immigration. But, if we make sure none of these illegals get any education, medical, food stamps, social security, right to vote or any other benefits given to CITIZENS, I can live with that!

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        1. highpckts February 13, 2015

          The one thing you are correct on is that not one politician is serious about controlling illegals! They know the illegals contribute to the economy in one way or another. This is just a political football that will never get taken care of! It’s a sure fire way to fire up one’s base if you are in trouble! They need that because without it they have nothing else to offer!!

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          1. hicusdicus February 13, 2015

            The only thing illegals contribute to the economy is an ever expanding welfare system. I hired a contractor to put up a small building. He showed up with 4 illegals to do the work. He was told to leave. I will not knowingly hire or contribute to illegal aliens. Would you?

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          2. charleo1 February 13, 2015

            That’s not true. The. “4 illegals,” didn’t ask you for anything but a job. Look, when the day rolls around there are 20/30 strapping American citizens hanging out at Home Depot in hopes of a day or two of pick up work, earning them $40. or $50 bucks. Is the day I’ll say your characterization have some validity. As they say, walk a mile in an immigrant’s shoes, before
            you judge the immigrant.

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          3. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            Not true, that is your answer, you were there you have worn their shoes? In all the stuff I have read that you have written I have seen very little validity. It is mostly coarse and fabricated. They are criminals and I will not aid or abet criminals.How many illegal criminals have you helped? Maybe you should serve some jail time.and then be deported. I would gladly escort you.

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          4. charleo1 February 14, 2015

            What you’re claiming about immigrant crime is not true. So, what should my response be? That it’s not true, but we’ll start with that fabrication, and see where it leads? Let’s see in fact, what I have written. I wrote, Ronald Reagan is a Communist, if blanket legalization of large numbers of undocumented immigrants is a Marxist plot. I wrote he wasn’t, and it isn’t. I wrote, the immigrant, even in an undocumented state contributes to, and not takes away from the economy of the Country, Which again, is fact, not fluff, nor conjecture. It’s not even close. And you want to know how many, ‘criminals,’ I have helped? Well, how many heads of lettuce, or tomatoes, have you bought lately? Or, hotels, and restaurants have you eaten in this year? Then, you’re nearly as guilty as the stockholders of the corporate farms, cashing their dividend checks. Or the boards of directors, that knowingly break immigration laws they have essentially been allowed to ignore for years. And why? Because to strictly enforce the law would raise the price of groceries. The enforced regulation would cost jobs, and hurt the overall economy. And worst of all, for the people who finance the political campaigns, hurt profits. But you want to criminalize something far more intrinsic. That of simply being a human being, and needing to provide for one’s self, and one’s family. And there’s where you want to start the enforcement. And there’s where you, or I, or any of us, faced with a law that prohibited that, would be subject to lock up, deportation, work camp, or gulag. Because after all the discussion, it comes down to the unavoidable reality, that we are dealing in the currency of not just American’s Rights, but also human Rights. As the fellow once lamented. “We ask for cheap labor, and we got people.”

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          5. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            Where did you get your certificate in creating nonsensical babel? I know! the liberal school of colon inspectors.

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          6. paulyz February 13, 2015

            Good for you hiscusdicus, same here. Funny how I had my house built without any Illegals, just local American workers, and they did a great job & worked fast & hard. Not even the insulation, drywall, or roofing were Illegals. Everyone is working around here.

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          7. highpckts February 14, 2015

            WRONG!!! They don’t or aren’t able to participate in the welfare system! What part of that don’t you understand! The only person that benefited from that scenario was the employer because he was paying them under the table! No deductions or healthcare! Win win for him!

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          8. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            You need to get out more and pay attention to what is really going on.You are one of the reasons Gruber made the comments about stupid American people.

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          9. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            The only economy they help are the low life’s who hire them. These low life’s are mostly people with excess money.

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        2. paulyz February 13, 2015

          Trouble is, these Illegals have babies & then they get automatic Citizenship, then we hear about “breaking up families”. And we need to stop More from entering, not only Illegals, but Illegal criminals, terrorists, more diseases, drugs, etc. The US

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          1. Independent1 February 13, 2015

            Where do you get all these made up lies and fantasies?? Do you just sit around and dream this stuff up?? Illegals are not bringing in terrorists or diseases or drugs or anything else at anywhere near the rate that native-born Americans ARE DOING JUST THAT!!!

            And you realize of course that without these illegals and other immigrants having those babies, that our population would be declining. The birthrate among native-born American women has dropped to about 1.91 babies per couple which is far from the replacement rate of 2.1. What that means is, that over the past 2 decades or so, without immigrants, including illegals, America’s population would have dropped rather than increased. Which means America would most likely be struggling in a prolonged recession like virtually every other similar country to us in the world – and what is the main reason those countries are struggling in recession?? Virtually every other industrialized country like America on the planet are now in a declining population mode.
            And so, if you want to see America fall into more recessions, just keep wishing all these immigrants away, including illegals – it’s pretty difficult to keep a really active economy when the number of customers coming into the doors of businesses across the nation is getting fewer, rather than more, because the country’s population is shrinking!!!

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        3. 788eddie February 14, 2015

          With it (Nat I.D.) the government can then know just where you are every time it’s used. Shades of 1984!

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          1. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            They already do. Cell phones, internet, medical care, income tax, credit cards, drivers license, CCI cameras its endless.

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          2. 788eddie February 18, 2015

            Then by all means, let’s go with it then. I have no problem with a Nat I.D. card. However, I think you;ll find a lot of resistance from conservatives and libertarians (I’m a moderate Republican). It’s been killed every time it’s been brought up. And, oddly, it’s not the liberals killing it.

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          3. hicusdicus February 18, 2015

            People just have not realized just how much ID there is on them. If national ID will stop voter fraud and keep illegals in their county am all for it. I have CCP and there is more scrutiny behind it than a pass port and drivers license put together. I am required to have it on my person if I am driving a car. It does not matter if I have a gun or not.

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      2. paulyz February 13, 2015

        E-verify is already set up and in place. Many businesses use it now, voluntarily, & we do not have a National ID card. The procedure takes seconds, is free to use, & solves 99% of issues instantly.

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        1. 788eddie February 14, 2015

          I’m not familiar with the system to which you are referring.

          So, I’m interested. How does it actually work?

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      3. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

        We are already registered. I have to show ID to buy gas or pass gas.

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  12. nana4gj February 13, 2015

    I live in San Antonio, Texas. Last weekend, I rode with my family to McAllen, Texas, for a pre-wedding party. It has been awhile since I traveled South. It is beautiful, loved watching the terrain and flora change from the beauty of South Central and Central Texas’ arid cactus and mesquite to the lush, rich, green cotton fields, farms, and palm trees.

    I can attest that the landscape was not just “dotted” with Immigration vans, cars, and checkpoints, but, with checkpoints with all kinds of gadgets and gizmos for searching the contents of a car without ever having to exit the car, all done with courtesy and respect and efficiency. I have never, in all my life, seen such vigilance and “border control”, thanks to my Federal Government.

    As an aside, I could not help but think of how enriched Texas is because of our bi-cultural heritage and the descendants of those who have made this state and this country their own, however they may have originally gotten here. They are some of the nicest people.

    I also thought of how diverse, too, is the state of Texas: piney woods of East Texas; desert of El Paso; lakes of Austin; metropolis of Houston; “mountains” of Amarillo meeting the Plains; and, of course, our beloved Hill Country, with the varied natural resources each has to other.

    Texas deserves a better kind of governance in our State and representation in our US Congress. Her people, land, air, water, resources, are not being represented as they deserve, nor cared for as they deserve.

    Re-districting, voter suppression, clown politics that are more dirty than funny, are toxic. Politicians who are really weak but talk and act tough are harmful in large doses. What happened here can happen to the nation, if we do not take care. If you are still “qualified” to vote, do it wisely. If you cannot, fix it…jump through the hoops, show up, and keep a clear head when selecting the box you check.

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    1. underledge February 13, 2015

      Regarding keeping ..”a clear head when selecting the box you check” doesn’t mean too much considering the “choices” you are given.

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    2. Dominick Vila February 13, 2015

      Thank you for introducing a human perspective that is so often missing from debate whenever this issue is broached.
      I visited Texas and New Mexico on several occasions on work related matters, and my experiences were identical to yours. I learned the same during the 9 years I spent in Southern California (Mojave Desert), and during my long sojourn in South America, the Caribbean, and Spain.
      What becomes clear, when we read some of the opinions expressed in forums like this, is that they are influenced by ethnic or cultural intolerance, rather than legal or economic concerns.

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      1. hicusdicus February 13, 2015

        You as usual are full of BS. If you are so worried about the human perspective go help the North Koreans.

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        1. Dominick Vila February 13, 2015

          That’s better than being a disciple of the anti-Christ. If you are a Christian, take a cursory looks at the Gospels, especially those that talk about Christ asking his disciples to love thy fellow man, be compassionate, be tolerant, and all the other attributes that separate the scum of the Earth from civilized people.

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          1. paulyz February 13, 2015

            That is the typical answer of people wanting Illegal “immigration”. Americans have much compassion for people all over the world & we are one of the most generous people on Earth. Millions of Illegals taking freebies from hard-working Americans is hardly what Christ would condone, especially when our own children suffer & unemployment is high. Christ would expect Countries like Mexico & others to help their people. Christ expects people to help others, not forcing them with government political ideology. Christ also states that people are to use their tallents to not be a burden on others, even telling his diciples this.

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          2. nana4gj February 13, 2015

            Part of the debate is the presumption that all “illegals” are looking for handouts, lazy, unworthy, and are “undesirables”. At least, when hearing and reading the position of some, the thoughts and expressions would support that conclusion.

            I maintain, that there are some very fine people in that group who do not meet those descriptions and that no group of people should be painted with a wide swath and any comprehensive Immigration Reform should begin with that basic tenet.

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          3. Dominick Vila February 14, 2015

            The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants don’t fit the model envisioned by Pauly. The same goes for his efforts to portray Christ as a materialistic prophet.
            The most bizarre claim is that illegal immigrants depend on government handouts. Nothing is farthest from the truth. Most illegal immigrants live in the shadows, as far away from government institutions for fear of getting caught and deported.

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          4. nana4gj February 14, 2015

            Who “wants” illegal immigration? It is those who do not take constructive action on the issue who perpetuate “illegal immigration”, claiming they are opposed to it and who claim that those who want a constructive, comprehensive action on the issue actually “want” illegal immigration. And that argument makes no sense.

            Some of us want comprehensive reform that is realistic, effective, civilized, and humane and one that interrupts and diminishes the need to enter this country illegally, without unduly penalizing those already here who are contributing members of our society.

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          5. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            The antichrist is not a problem he will be dealt with by superman with the help of batman and their many super friends. Now drag your pompous posterior out of your arm chair and get to helping the North Koreans. There are a few Jesus people in the middle east that would welcome your help. Don’t forget to take a big bible with you, they help slow down bullets.

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          6. Dominick Vila February 14, 2015

            Are you a Korean-American? You seem to be obsessed withe the plight of the North Koreans…

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          7. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            They need your help a lot more than the Mexicans. You seem to be obsessed with the most read fictional book on the planet. Do you obsess with fairy tales? From your posts I would say you do.

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          8. Dominick Vila February 14, 2015

            If you are referring to the Bible, all I can say is that I am an agnostic. Largely because I reject the concept of divinity and because I don’t approve of organized religious organizations. That, however, does not mean I reject the teachings of Jesus Christ or the Ten Commandments, which along with what we learned from our parents, and the rule of law, should constitute our moral compass.
            As for the North Koreans, it is up to them to solve their problems.

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          9. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            What happened to all your humanity? Did the thought of having to get out of your arm chair put a damper on it?

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          10. Dominick Vila February 14, 2015

            Having a sense of humanity does not mean I am impervious or able to overcome the effects of aging or mortality.
            In any case, I hope the people of North Korea can some day overcome the brutality of their regime, be free, and pursue their wishes. Most importantly, since I haven’t found large concentrations of North Koreans living and working in the USA, my feelings on their well being are philosophical, and inconsistent with the need to solve a problem in the country where I was born, where I live, and where my family lives.

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          11. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            If you are so fond of illegal aliens maybe you would be happier living in Mexico. By the way how did aging and mortality get into this? Philosophical is just another way to spell day dreaming and I agree you do a lot of that. Sitting to much and being bored conjures up a lot of nonsensical thinking.

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          12. Dominick Vila February 14, 2015

            After 30 years of living and working overseas, I have no interest in moving to Mexico or anywhere else.
            I brought up aging and mortality as a response to your suggestion of me helping the North Koreans. Honestly, I doubt I would be too much help.
            FYI – illegal immigrants include more than just Mexicans.

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          13. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            After living in Houston Texas for seventeen years you are going to lecture me about illegal aliens ?

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      2. joe schmo February 15, 2015

        Vila, don’t you think being Latin has just a wee bit to do with it? I think soooooo……..

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        1. Dominick Vila February 16, 2015

          Yes, there are very close ties between Spain and Latin America, and that does have an effect in my opinions on issues like this.
          Schmo, don’t you think your Eastern European background may have something to do with the ethnic and cultural hatred you show towards Latinos and Hispanics? I think sooooo!

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    3. hicusdicus February 13, 2015

      What are saying exactly? Let the illegals come in unopposed take care of their health problems , feed them and house them and let them take their wages and send it back to their real homes.

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      1. nana4gj February 13, 2015

        I’m not saying anything here, position wise, just offering my esoteric observations. However, if I were to say anything on a position re Immigration Reform, it would have to be this.

        That I tend to believe those who entered illegally, with their families, and have made a life for themselves, working hard, staying out of trouble, educating their children, contributing to the economy, should not be deported, but, rather, to be given a set of conditions and criteria and path in which they can become legal residents and, perhaps, citizens.

        As for their drain on our healthcare resources, in my almost 50 years of professional nursing, I can assure you they do not present for medical care until as a last resort. For their preventive and maintenance help, such as immunizations, reproductive and obstetrical care, or other issues, even a new diagnosis of Diabetes, they frequent the many charitable out patient clinics that can be found in rural El Paso area and the South Texas Valley towns.

        It is my experience that it is not the illegal residents who are “being fed and housed” by society; they are working for wages, low wages, nonetheless wages, with no fringe benefits, unless the “Padron”, ie employer, provides housing, a roof over their heads within walking distance to the fields, sometimes with indoor plumbing,

        My position is based on my life experiences and observations which lead me to believe that many of them contribute much more than they take.

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        1. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

          For 15 years I spent much of my time living in Mexico and had many good acquaintances. I also had many illegals as tenants in Houston. They are not the same people after they have been here for a short length of time. I had about 30 some rental units with illegals living them. They are Indians and were very difficult to deal with and unscrupulous. They knew how to work the system and did so at every opportune time. I also knew people who smuggled them in. You are painting a fairy tale picture that is not real. To them you are an Anglo and that is all you will ever be.

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          1. nana4gj February 14, 2015

            I have lived all of my life here. I have had the same experiences with Mexicans as I have had with Anglos. I disagree that they are “all” unscrupulous and difficult to deal with, anymore than my Anglo friends and business acquaintances.

            A comprehensive Immigration Reform should include screening and criteria that addresses “undesirables”, in which case, we would still be left with the “undesirables” that are born and bred here, regardless of ethnic origin.

            And I never feel I am “just another Anglo” to them. Nor do they feel they are “just Mexicans” to me.

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          2. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            Feel how ever you want, it has no correlation to real life. They will never truly be your friend be cause they resent you. You are an Anglo you are something to be used. I think you could safely say they are bigots, racists you name it..

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          3. nana4gj February 15, 2015

            Real life in Texas is that we are medically treated by, educated by and with Hispanics; that we are literally and figuratively Family, because we marry each other; worship together; work side by side; and are immersed in each other’s culture so that the end result of the culture of Texas is unique and wonderful, warm and friendly. There are so many Hispanics that crime is evenly distributed among all kinds.
            My perception of bigot, a racist, is one who speaks without real life experiences and associations and who makes judgments of groups of people based on stereotypes and insecurities.

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          4. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            Maybe you can. Never! Remember I live in CaliMexico.

            What didn’t you get. He just gave you umpteen examples of life experience. As I just did.

            You really do deserve what you get.

            By the way, there is a difference between a bigot and a racist. You people are both. If you are trying to tell me that the Mexicans are not prejudice against us then you are a liar. If you tell us you are more American than us. You are a liar. If you tell me you are tolerant. I will tell you CoExist my a**. Give me a break. Your romance with color blind and politically correct is a myth that lives in fantasyland. What can I say. You hate your own countrymen. Go figure.

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          5. James Bagley February 16, 2015

            A racist is just a particularly virulent strain of bigot. If you are a racist you are also a bigot.

            It seems to me that you are unhappy with both America and California, which makes me wonder why you live in either. Perhaps you would be better off if you simply returned to your family’s homeland. You appear to be a textbook example of a 2nd-generation immigrant who did nothing to earn the right to be called ‘American’ except exist. Take charge of your bad luck (as you see it) and go find a place where you wont complain incessantly. I hear they don’t complain ,much in North Korea.

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          6. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            You have lived all your life here. Then you don’t know squat. Hicusdus is right. You need to read a book that I read in Cultural Anthropology. It is called the Yanamamo.

            “In early anthropological studies the Yanomami culture was described as being permeated with violence. The Yanomami people have a history of
            acting violently not only towards other tribes, but towards one another.” N.A. Chagnon

            As I read this book about an Amazonian tribe situated in Brazil, I learned what i believe many Latin’s inherited. That poor anthropologist had no idea what he was heading into. They actually stabbed people in the back who were rivals or if they didn’t like them. Certain strong charcteristics are passed down through the generations in every race (and I don’t mean this in a racist way. It is just a fact). I realized that many Hispanics also trend towards certain inborn traits, thus the Yanamami.

            Suppose we all have different experiences. Mine were not so great. I have also seen family members pushed out of jobs because of them. Sorry, you don’t live in CaliMexico. I’m almost sure of that.

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          7. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            Exactly:) Even the educated ones do. When I was doing my undergrad, we had few Hispanics at the school I attended, however; there was one particular Hispanic in class that I sort of befriended. They used to tell me how they would work the system to ensure they got all the fringe benefits they needed at school and at home. I couldn’t believe it!

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          8. hicusdicus February 16, 2015

            When I lived in Houston I was acquainted with three brothers who had the biggest pot smuggling ring in Texas. Their sideline was smuggling their friends and relatives into the US. They got them all set up on gov assistance.. Are these people on NM living in the twilight zone?

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    4. Allan Richardson February 14, 2015

      Weren’t the Texans originally illegal immigrants into Mexico, who then took their Mexican state out of Mexico by force? Ditto for Alta (or Norte) California? And eventually the rest of the northern states of Mexico taken by the US through force?

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      1. nana4gj February 14, 2015

        Yes. Which is one reason most of us honor our heritage with them and celebrate the culture, and why we may have a different perspective on this issue. Also must recognize that those Mexicans, ie, “Texicans” already here, in their own country, fought alongside all of the original “immigrants” who all came from other states and territories to claim the land for the US.

        All of the “original” Texans came from somewhere else, but the Mexicans were already here. A familiar story?

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        1. James Bagley February 15, 2015

          Not just a familiar story, but part of the same story. How people who immigrate into a country can turn around in a few short years to hypocritically claim with a straight face that immigration is the worst evil ever is beyond me.

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          1. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            Because you moron, there used to be a quota. There is a system of laws that everyone in the past had to abide by to become Americans. BIG DIFFERENCE. You cannot possibly let everyone and their brother in. Economically it would be chaos. DON’T YOU GET IT?

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          2. James Bagley February 15, 2015

            I see you are out here lying again — it seems to be one of your bad habits.

            Most European immigrants to the US were illegal, and many committed the worst crimes imaginable. Aside from that FACT, immigration has always helped boost the American economy. Try to cite evidence otherwise if you can.

            The fact is that many 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation descendants of European immigrants, who’ve done nothing to deserve to be American, are the laziest and biggest freeloaders of public benefits in the entire country.

            Go get a job and quit whining about other immigrants.

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        2. joe schmo February 15, 2015

          California has the same story. The people who were here were here and became AMERICANS. It was different then. Not the same now. Sorry, nada.

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      2. joe schmo February 15, 2015

        Dude, I can honestly see how unAmerican you have become. Why not take your refried cajones, pack up, and move down to Mexico. I’m sure the bean-bandits would be more than happy to accomodate you in jail. That is if the cartel doesn’t get to you first.

        We aren’t allowed to stay. Why should they be allowed to stay here. Comprende!

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  13. tomtype February 13, 2015

    Pure emphasis on keeping out undocumented immigrants does nothing about those who entered legally and then either overstayed or changed their status without notifying ICE. That has been happening a long time.

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  14. 788eddie February 13, 2015

    I’m reminded of the song “Who’s Gonna Build Your Wall” by Tom Russell

    I’ve got 800 miles of open border
    Right outside my door
    There’s minute men in little pick up trucks
    Who’ve declared their own damn war

    Now the government wants to build
    A barrier like old Berlin 8 feet tall
    But if uncle Sam sends the illegals home
    Who’s gonna build the wall?

    Who’s gonna build your wall boys?
    Who’s gonna mow your lawn?
    Who’s gonna cook your Mexican food
    When your Mexican maid is gone?

    Who’s gonna wax the floors tonight
    Down at the local mall?
    Who’s gonna wash your baby’s face?
    Who’s gonna build your wall?

    Now I ain’t got no politics
    So don’t lay that rap on me
    Left wing, right wing, up wing, down wing
    I see strip malls from sea to shining sea

    It’s the fat cat white developer
    Who’s created this whole damn squall
    It’s a pyramid scheme of dirty jobs
    And who’s gonna build your wall?

    Who’s gonna build your wall boys?
    Who’s gonna mow your lawn?
    Who’s gonna cook your Mexican food
    When your Mexican maid is gone?

    Who’s gonna wax the floors tonight
    Down at the local mall?
    Who’s gonna wash your baby’s face?
    Who’s gonna build your wall?

    We’ve got fundamentalist Moslem’s
    We’ve got fundamentalist Jews
    We’ve got fundamentalist Christians
    They’ll blow the whole thing up for you

    But as I travel around this big old world
    There’s one thing that I most fear
    It’s a white man in a golf shirt
    With a cell phone in his ear

    Who’s gonna build your wall boys?
    Who’s gonna mow your lawn?
    Who’s gonna cook your Mexican food
    When your Mexican maid is gone?

    Who’s gonna wax the floors tonight
    Down at the local mall?
    Who’s gonna wash your baby’s face?
    Who’s gonna build your wall?

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    1. Independent1 February 13, 2015

      Exactly, and what’s even more troubling is that the vast majority of these anti-immigrant bigots, have no clue as to just how big a role that undocumented immigrants have been playing in America’s economy, especially over the past several decades; and just how much our economy would suffer if these bigots got their way and sent a really large chunk of undocumenteds home. There would be business closures and bankruptcies that would make the Great Recession look like a walk in the park.

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      1. gunslinger February 13, 2015

        Yes to all of what you say however, be prepared for lower wages and greater entitlement programs that will break us. Many remember the meatpacking industry and what American workers were paid until illegal aliens took those jobs and settled for less. This will become a systemic problem throughout all industries, services, etc. If the only reason they are here is to work for LESS, then lets make sure they do and are not able to glean other benefits from taxpayers while doing so. Otherwise we are just importing more impoverished people that end up getting benefits while at the same time we are having to take care of those they displaced. I don’t want to hear anymore about how many people are living in poverty or about the long termed unemployed when this is the direct result of it!

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        1. tomtype February 13, 2015

          You should realize that undocumented aliens do not receive nor are they eligible for “welfare.” Their only hope is to keep on working, or return to live a simpler and cheaper life if they cannot continue to work. But their employer must pay Social Security on them. Must pay unemployment on them. The US in fact cheated most of the documented “bracero” program participants out of the Social Security that was paid back earlier. They now qualify but will likely never collect. They actually are benefiting us all because they largely pay for our “welfare.” And if we enforced our minimum wage laws better, and raised it back to the effective level of what it was 40 or 50 years ago (that is adjusted it for cost of living) we would manage to collect even more from the immigrants, and help prevent employers from using their status to both cheat them out of rightful pay and rightful retirement, and all of us out of rightful wealth. And force our employers to become more competitive 30 years ago as I remember in the Netherlands the minimum wage was about what it is now in the US, about 7.25, while our own was still somewhere around $4.50. And they are considered one of the worlds most export oriented societies. Their companies had to have better ideas, they couldn’t depend upon being low wage. We used to have one of the highest wage economies in the world and thereby one of the most mechanized. But those who don’t want to work very hard, but collect their big salaries, have fed us a line that we have heard so often and so vigorously that we believe.

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          1. gunslinger February 13, 2015

            Are you kidding me? Today the DACA Klan are eligible for everything U.S. citizens qualify for! Do a little more reading before you flap your trap! Actually, the illegals are more desirable with employers because penalties under the ACA rules are deferred if the employee hired is an illegal and thus discrimination occurs with the native born job applicant. Get in the FACTS game bro or just get out!

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          2. Independent1 February 13, 2015

            Every bit of what you’re posting is hogwash!! All that nonsense about employers using illegals to get around ACA rules was debunked long ago.

            Fact is, even right-wingers know what you’re posting is BS. See this from an article in the NationalJournal that pulls together some comments on your BS even from some right-wing think tanks:

            That immigrants take the jobs of American-born citizens is “something that virtually no learned person believes in,” Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration expert at the libertarian Cato Institute, said at a Thursday panel. “It’s sort of a silly thing.”

            Most economists don’t find immigrants driving down wages or jobs, the Brookings Institution’s ichael Greenstone and Adam Looney wrote in May. In fact, “on average, immigrant workers increase the opportunities and incomes of Americans,” they write. Foreign-born workers don’t affect the employment rate positively or negatively, according to a 2011 analysis from the conservative American Enterprise Institute. And a study released Wednesday by the liberal Center for American Progress suggests that granting legal status to undocumented workers might even create jobs.

            —————————————–

            Fact is that the CBO has projected that had the House of Representatives gone ahead and approved the immigration bill passed by the Senate last year, that allowing illegals to work toward citizenship would have added around 175 billion to the U.S. economy over the next 10 years and then 2 trillion more going beyond that.

            Immigrants in America create more than 35% of the new businesses in our country and a sizeable percentage of those are illegal Hispanics. The CBO has also estimated that the economic activity generated by illegals based on their spending and the jobs they create from starting their own businesses and doing work that native-born Americans won’t do, which allows farmers and other employers to add many jobs for native-born Americans like long-haul truck drivers and more – is keeping more than 8 million native-born Americans working.

            You’re way off base – you’re the one who needs to stop reading those RWNJ, anti-immigration websites that are filling your mind with nonsense.

            Here’s the link to that article I posted some excerpts from earlier:

            Left and Right Agree: Immigrants Don’t Take American Jobs

            http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/left-and-right-agree-immigrants-don-t-take-american-jobs-20130322

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          3. charleo1 February 13, 2015

            Good post! As per usual. And, as per usual, facts don’t matter with this person. All the demonization, is actually just 80 year old KKK propaganda. Originally brought against the Irish Catholics, Jews, and Blacks. Just rehashed, “Birth of a Nation,” crap. Dug up, dusted off, and refitted with a new scapegoat, the Mexican immigrant.

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          4. Independent1 February 13, 2015

            Hi Charle! Yeah! It’s unfortunate that there are so many who I think are really racially biased against anyone who’s not like them. As you point out, it’s unfortunate that they have to do everything they can do to demonize people who are often coming here to find a way to either help themselves or their family survive.

            One of my daughters has done quite a bit of work in Haiti trying to help the folks there survive from the earthquake. They have a friend who came here 4-5 years back on a green card. He’s working toward his citizenship and has been trying since getting here to get a visa for his wife, with virtually no luck. She just had their first child and it looks like it may be 5 plus years before she’s eligible to come here based on our immigration quota. And 5 plus years is even an optimistic estimate. It’s people in this fellow’s situation that sometime take things into their own hands and come here illegally not being willing to wait years to get their family back together.

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          5. charleo1 February 13, 2015

            First, I would be remiss if I didn’t say, God bless your daughter! And how wonderfully she reflects on
            her parents, as well! As to this immigration ugliness.
            As you know, due to a variety of things I see emerging out of the Right today. I get very concerned. The constant dismissals as unimportant, the restriction of voting Rights. The calls for rolling back the protections of Civil Rights for minorities, extending into the Supreme Court. The advocacy for the reestablishment of religious moral codes. And, just as important, the reappearance of the scapegoat. And the re-emergence of the idea of a State enforced, ethnic, and racial Nationalism. The mentality, and ideology of purism. Complete with this almost manic type of populist, patriotism. Sure, support the troops. But it all seems to be getting down right unhealthy to me. The deep booming voice at the Super Bowl, almost commanding, “We will all stand and salute the troops!” It all seems reminiscent of other desperate societies we have observed in history, and have nearly become ourselves at times. Think of the old photograph of the KKK marching down Pennsylvania Avenue, 30,000 strong. The total overabundance of both crosses, and American Flags, transfixed against the white flowing robes of what represented the very worst of what a mislead, misinformed, frightened America could be twisted into becoming. That’s what I hear in these discussions about immigration. And I wonder at times, if we’ve actually progressed at all. Then, we see, and hear of kids like your daughter there! And they really turn it all around for me! And I think, well, maybe I’m just getting old, and grumpy, and looking for trouble. That there is a new day coming. And there is it’s symbol.

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          6. Independent1 February 13, 2015

            I have a lot of the same concerns you do. I’m just going on the hope that the Dems can keep the presidency in 2016 and somehow win back control of Congress if enough Dems and sane Independents will turn out for such a crucial election. Despite the loses in 2014, a number of the GOP’s senate wins in red states actually had to go to recounts/or early the next morning vote counts because their wins were by so little margins. And the GOP won no senate seats in a blue state, and the right-wing lost every ballot issue they opposed – every min wage increase was passed, including several in red states; and the right-wing lost every personhood ballot question.

            So the signs are there that even some Republicans are waking up: when the total turn out was only 37% of all voters, and 37% of voters are registered Republicans – it almost shows that about 50% of Republicans didn’t even turn out – that’s really telling. It would seem to me that even Republicans aren’t very happy with many GOP candidates. Let’s hope that’s true in 2016!!

            PS: Like you, I am encouraged that many young people today aren’t as ‘ME’ oriented as most older right-wingers seem to be. I have a grand-daughter in her early 20s who graduated from college and decided to join the Peace Corps for two years before pursuing a career. She spent almost a year living with some families in a couple countries in Africa and she’s now down in South America trying to help in some small villages there. Another granddaughter has been a few times to villages in Costa Rica and El Salvador doing things like help build schools. So like you were saying – the future doesn’t look all bad – if only we could get younger Americans to turn out and vote in big numbers, I think we’d see a big change.

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          7. charleo1 February 13, 2015

            Well said!

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          8. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            What makes him more special than a US citizen? I think he should go back home and be with his family.

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          9. joe schmo February 17, 2015

            Haiti is such a great example of a country where people can run themselves isn’t it? Nice and corrupt where all the higher ups pilfer the money. So is Mexico and Africa. Hey nothing personal. Unfortunately, in this case, they need some kind of controlling regime to run them because they are incapable of doing that themselves. Sad but true observation.

            I do believe that there is favoratism for the Hispanics in this Country. What fries my a** is the fact that their higher ups are so corrupt and many of them have to feel like infringing on us ….well, ours is getting to be not much better. Why don’t they try to make things better in their own country? If we had a quota this unfortunate thing would never be happening to this poor fellow. There would be a certain amount of people applying for citizenship. Immigration would not be such a hassle and it would be LEGAL. HOW MANY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS CAN THIS COUNTRY SUSTAIN WITHOUT COLLAPSING or is that the whole idea?

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          10. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            That is total study group nonsense. Cut welfare benefits by 50 percent and watch what happens. The 30 packers will trample the little fellows into re-fried beans to get their jobs.

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          11. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            We’re posting BS when we are ALL saying the same thing and we have the experience to prove you wrong. I sure wouldn’t want to walk around like you with my eyes wired shut because you don’t know when the government is going to stab you in the back. Wake up!

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          12. highpckts February 13, 2015

            I guess you have to repeat that over and over again about the immigrants not being able to get benefits because that seems to be the mantra of the bigots who oppose any immigration!

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          13. hicusdicus February 13, 2015

            Opposing illegal immigration and bigotry have nothing to do with each other. If you are not an American citizen you do not deserve American benefits. Why do you want to participate in destroying the country you live in?

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          14. highpckts February 14, 2015

            THEY DON’T GET THEM!!!

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          15. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            Yes they do. I have had them try and pay their rent with food stamps.

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          16. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            You know ‘hicusdus,’ even if you have proof because you’ve experienced a certain situation, these idiots still don’t believe us. This is sooo typical. Unbelieveable how un=American they have become. The worst thing of it all is the fact that they don’t even realize what they are doing…. Geez, how narrow-minded can you get.

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          17. hicusdicus February 16, 2015

            If these people believed me, it means I am wrong. These amateur pundits just want to prevail with their argument even if they believe they are wrong. Most of them are about as boring as watching soft porn and smoking catnip.

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          18. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            YES, THEY DO? IF YOU DON’T LIVE IN A BORDER STATE, YOU ARE CLUELESS…….

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          19. highpckts February 16, 2015

            Do you live in a border state?? If you do then how many that are scamming the system are redneck, rifle toting, white trash? You don’t have a clue!!

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          20. joe schmo February 17, 2015

            YES I DO! Not very many ‘rednecks’ in this state, sorry and I live in one of the BLUEst ‘F’ing’ states in the Union. I predict in 10 more years it will be like Detroit.

            Where do you live? In the North or NorthEast? Most likely not in a border state so you should talk. Why not give me some stats, moron. You never do. Your brilliance alludes to a mouth with nothing coming out of it but the same old, same old.

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          21. highpckts February 17, 2015

            Oh that is so the kettle calling the pot black! Where are your brilliant solutions? All you do is spew hate and for what? to make yourself feel better and so you won’t stand out from your compadres? Give us solutions big mouth!

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          22. James Bagley February 15, 2015

            They are one and the same. You are an immigrant, so why don’t you self-oppose and keep yourself so busy that you don’t have time to run around annoying real people?

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          23. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            There is a difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL.

            My parents immigrated to America LEGALLY. They had to learn the language, know the Constitution, they had to have money in a bank account and they had to have some education. At least through HS. They were also not given freebies. They were given nothing but the hope and dream to succeed and live a good life through working hard and they did just that. It is through their integrity and patriotism that they raised two very hard working and diligent children who love (or now I should say loved) their country. Who believed the United States was the greatest Country on earth. They lived through a better time than what they had left. A place where a home was obtainable and so were cars. THEY WANTED TO BE AMERICANS. They didn’t want to be Communists. They never wanted it to follow them to America many years later and they do not want their children and grandchildren to have to endure what they did.

            The problem is if you have never seen communism, you don’t know what it is like, you don’t know the lack of freedom and the fear you have to endure.

            Yes there is a difference between bigotry and opposing illegal immigration.

            Bigotry has to do with disliking someone because of their belief system. i can honestly say that all of us going back and forth on the NM are bigots.

            I detest illegal immigration not because of the Mexicans, I loathe it because my parents were legal and they had to jump through hoops to live here, and because they never sponged off the system. They got NADA.

            If you can’t understand the difference or have understanding for those who came over the right way then you are just plain flat out stupid or there is an ulterior motive (votes).

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          24. James Bagley February 15, 2015

            In truth you don’t know if your parents broke laws or not, so you are lying. The fact is that you weren’t in a position to know then and you aren’t in a position to know now. Everyone wants to believe that their parents are perfect angels, but that seems to be incompatible with reality.

            So you are trying to gain credit for something your parents did, or at least what you THINK they did. You yourself did nothing to deserve to be an American.

            So the truth is that today’s immigrants are just better people than you. They are more industrious and braver, and less critical of other people. While you sit on your butt publicly whining about other people, they are busy working hard and trying to build a better life for their families. You, on the other hand, do nothing but whine and hate.

            So if California is so bad, then leave already. I doubt anyone will miss the bigoted whining. But be forewarned that the people in other states don’t much care for European immigrants who whine about other immigrants either.

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          25. joe schmo February 17, 2015

            Bullsh*%. THEY BROKE NO LAWS. They applied for citizenship and they had to go through the motions. Tell me, did you immigrate from another country? Then how would you know.

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          26. James Bagley February 21, 2015

            You don’t know that — you just claim to know. Children don’t know everything their parents do, and parents aren’t fond of admitting to their children what laws they broke. If we took every child’s opinion of their parents for the truth, everybody in this world would be a saint — but we know that isn’t the case.

            As far as I can tell, you did nothing to become American, and you know even less about it. All you know is that you sit on your butt and criticize other immigrants — all the while pretending that you aren’t one. But you are.

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          27. hicusdicus February 15, 2015

            And you are very strange person.

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          28. tomtype February 14, 2015

            It is a frequent theme that the new immigrants are bleeding us dry by sucking up welfare.
            We do allow immigrants admitted as refugees to qualify for 6 months of benefits to settle in. They are to work with contracted [usually religious] social service agencies to settle them, teach them American ways, and help them get jobs.
            Years ago I worked with a Russian Jew, who had been a special education teacher in Russia. He came here, in fact I helped him translate his college transcript in order to get certification here. I was amused by one of the courses required of Russian teachers: Something like How the Soviet system is good for all Citizens. Not dissimilar to a standard course for teachers here: The advantages of the American way. And we wonder why are teachers are so bad.
            By the way, it took him only a “short time” of over 10 years to manage to emigrate. There was no information, so they prepared as if they were going to Siberia. They learned practical repair skills to fix homes and clothes. The bought thread at over a Rouble a spook, that is like $2. for a small spool of thread. He bought power tools with converters. They bought bicycles for transportation. He did have a car there, and he figured that his job was so poor they didn’t take his car, which was standard for many who tried to leave. They settled in a nice, farther out suburb, about 7 or 8 miles from any bus line, so they could walk in the wood as they had in Russia, for it was cheap exercise and recreation. We eventually took the bicycles apart and used the best pieces of 3 to make two rideable bikes. Quality is and was awful on consumer goods. They expected to be able to ride the bus as they had in Russia. They were pleasantly amazed at the variety and quality of consumer goods, often at half the price of Russia, and far better pay. But like I said, they didn’t know what to do or plan for emigrating to America. The feared the worst, they just wanted the freedom. It is not so much different from so many immigrants.

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          29. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            You might want to visit some of the emergency rooms in Houston or maybe San Antonio. Your ignorance is overwhelming. Other than that you seem to be a nice lady.

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          30. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            Don’t forget about CaliMexico. Same thing…..

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          31. Buzzi Butt February 15, 2015

            Just to help you. People cheat and steal welfare bennies. There’s about $30 billion lost to fraud fro food, housing and medical care. I will admit it isn’t just illegals defrauding.

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          32. highpckts February 16, 2015

            Well thank goodness you admit that there may some white, rednecks that are perfectly capable of cheating the system!! My guess is there are many!!

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          33. Buzzi Butt February 16, 2015

            That is your problem: Too much guessing and not enough substance. Even a fool knows that cheating is universal-crossing racial, religious, ethnic, social, political boundaries. It is the true equalizer–everyone can do it and it doesn’t matter who or what you are.

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          34. highpckts February 17, 2015

            Not my problem at all!! And if I’m “guessing” where do you get your certified data?? Please!!

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          35. Buzzi Butt February 17, 2015

            Certified data? Never used this term nor claimed that any of my data was not verifiable. I leave out all the juvenile name calling, labeling commenters with team colors and fav mascots, or dismissing everyone as wrong who happens to have a different opinion than me. An anonymous blog such as NM hardly rates more than being an simple amusement.

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          36. highpckts February 17, 2015

            Oh well my God thank goodness you are so impartial! Whatever!

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          37. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            LOL, the only reason you want them here is so you can increase your voter base. We hate the fact that many of our families immigrated to America the hard way. They were given nilch, and these freeloaders get everything handed to them on a silver platter and do nothing to deserve it. Do you think that is fair?

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          38. highpckts February 16, 2015

            And just what do they get on a silver platter?? Name the benefits! Hounded by the government? Can’t apply for any kind of help but they can certainly pay sales taxes on everything! This Nation is made up of immigrants including our ancestors and you have no idea what kind of help they got!!

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          39. joe schmo February 17, 2015

            THEY GOT NONE! My father worked for a farmer shoveling sh*%. He worked as a butler for a rich man. He went to school at night and saved his money so he could come to America because you had to have money in an account at the time. My father was a rags to riches man and he did it the old fashioned way by working his a** off and WANTING to be AMERICAN. They abided by the laws of this country and they wanted to become AMERICANS. There were no freebies. When you have to work hard for your livelihood you most certainly do. YOU LEARN THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAKE IT IN THIS WORLD. You work hard because it is a matter of survival and it not only teaches you about life but teaches you how to make it in life. NO FREEBIES. Just like my Father his children know how to WORK their a**es off. NO HANDOUTS, NADA, ZIP.

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          40. highpckts February 17, 2015

            As did my ancestors so what makes you so special! Most of the immigrants that I know DO work their asses off!! Just like the lazy whites around here, there will always be those that wouldn’ty work if you handed them a job! So what’s your point? I have a nephew that refused to “flip burgers” for a living. Instead he mooches off the government and he’s white! Goes both ways buster!!

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          41. Whatmeworry February 13, 2015

            NONSENSE.. I’ll you 1 specific example Barak’s auntie in Boston who received food stamps, welfare sect 8 housing while in this country illegally

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          42. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            Heck, I resigned early so I could live on disability and food stamps, but I wasn’t an illegal. Just buy a cane and walk slow and (he he) taxpayers won’t know the difference.

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          43. Buzzi Butt February 15, 2015

            Well, this taxpayer would. I turn cheats in .What’s your address, again?

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          44. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            Typical……..

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          45. Daniel Max Ketter February 15, 2015

            If you worked hard like me, then you could prosper the awards.

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          46. joe schmo February 17, 2015

            You mean rewards, right? I have worked hard. My family has worked hard and they still do. I know how to run a business and organize young people. I know all about the educations system and how it doesn’t work. I have traveled extensively and I have family in Europe so I know what is going on abroad. I learn from people I respect and don’t listen to those that I don’t. I have kept up with technology and praise what new innovations come up the road. I have paid my dues big time and now I am reaping from the rewards:) The good ole American way which your side is trying to steal from me.

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          47. Daniel Max Ketter February 17, 2015

            Labor union folks have worked harder than you I’m sure of.

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          48. Whatmeworry February 14, 2015

            NONSENSE.. I’ll you no specific example Barak’s auntie in Boston who received food stamps, welfare sect 8 housing while in this country
            illegally

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          49. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            My bs detector is going beep beep beep.

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          50. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            That’s your door bell the hemorrhoid inspector has come for a check up.

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          51. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            Well, may as well grab em and spread em. Really now, hemorrhoids are no laughing matter.

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          52. Buzzi Butt February 15, 2015

            Cripes dude. Google it. Zeituni Onyango. Your beeper never shuts off, I am sure.

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          53. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            It can beep all it wants. If there is any BS going on it’s from your own lips. If you haven’t seen it with your own eyes how would you know? What we are telling you is not hot air…..

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          54. Daniel Max Ketter February 15, 2015

            No, just no-nonsense information from the school of hard knocks.

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          55. joe schmo February 17, 2015

            Absolutely and exactamundo. Just can’t handle the truth can you?

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          56. Daniel Max Ketter February 17, 2015

            I deal with facts not tea farty propaganda from the right.

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          57. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            How about the ones that don’t want to work at all and collect welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing, free cell phones and last but not least, free medical care? While they sit at home and smoke half a carton of cigs, a 30 pack of beer and argue over who’s uninsured car they are going to drunkenly drive to the liquor store.

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          58. tomtype February 14, 2015

            You are now describing the entirely mythical native born welfare case. The illegal alien is not eligible for any of those benefits so must keep working. Keep the discussion to reality, and on the situation of the illegal immigrant, not a different topic about native born, our own.

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          59. hicusdicus February 15, 2015

            Mythical native born welfare case. Okay, where do you hail from? As soon as a little beaner pops out and become an automatic citizen the gov coffers open up to the whole family. Are you now in charge of NM comment line or did I catch you at a bad time.

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          60. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            Most likely lives in the East or North East. Thank you! This is exactly what happens.

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          61. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            Seriously! Not really. I give you that migrants that come here do work hard in the fields but they also take freebies where they can. When I worked in Agriculture many of my workers got a wage and then stood in line for free cheese and milk. Trust me they know how to work the system. Also, that first generation of kids are not like the Europeans were. They WILL and DO sponge off the system.

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          62. Buzzi Butt February 15, 2015

            Real quick like: There are a lot cheats and dishonest people that falsely acquire government handouts to which they are not entitled. I guess you weren’t aware of this phenomenon. It is rampant. Comparing the Netherlands to us is silly. It’s population is about 6% of the total U.S. population and its residents are 80% Dutch. It is not a good analogy to the U.S.A.

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          63. James Bagley February 15, 2015

            Yes indeed there are lots of cheats and dishonest people who game the system, and the majority of them live in ‘red’ states and vote Republican. How do you propose dealing with the situation?

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          64. Buzzi Butt February 16, 2015

            You have some references? No? Thought so. Whenever you can’t back up your opinion with facts , you see red. Wow. What an unintelligent approach to discussing a problem that transcends race, color, national origin, religion, sex, political preferences or familial status.

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          65. James Bagley February 17, 2015

            References for what, Buzzard Buns — are you disputing something? If so, out with it.

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          66. Buzzi Butt February 17, 2015

            Bagman, references for anything that constitutes a truism. For the purposes of NM chatter, references are of secondary importance as most commenters can’t or won’t distinguish among fact, opinion, gossip or flat out lies. NM is not a serious forum for anything. It’s just a chatterbox site.

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          67. tomtype February 16, 2015

            Yes, there are a few people who can and do scam the system. But repeated audits show that we actually do an excellent job of detecting and preventing. We actually have a lot of protections, so many so that I know far more who have been prevented when in need, that who managed to scam the system.
            Given the full 11 million illegals as a maximum estimate, and those admitted legally and working toward becoming Americans, we are over 90% American. The issues you raised are red herring. In fact, they may have more to do with your perceptions than the truth.
            And the understand that they must export to live. Hence the Dutch way of indicating top quality is to call it export quality. The idea is to export the best and use the seconds at home in order to build reputation. Our ideal seems to be to keep the first quality and export the junk. Seconds are good enough for our customers.
            If you pay well, it encourages automation to save costs. It also encourages that innovation that everyone claims to want.

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        2. joe schmo February 15, 2015

          Don’t you think maybe……Americans should take less of a wage so that they can at least keep their jobs. Oh I forgot, those now corrupt Unions are at the helm. Maybe it is time to rethink the wheel.

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      2. Whatmeworry February 13, 2015

        Your right they are 30% of the jail population, commit 32% of the crime, father more kids and walk away. Suck $300B out of the economy

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        1. Independent1 February 13, 2015

          Where do you come up with all this misguided data? James Bowen??

          Fact is, native-born Americans are 10 times more likely to commit a crime than an illegal- Ilegal Hispancis aren’t stupid like some of the folks posting here. As the NM article noted, the vast majority of illegals are here to earn money so they can send it back home and some day return to Mexico. They know full well that if they get involved in crimes in the U.S. that will be the end to all that.

          Fact is too, that cities which have a higher concentration of Hispanics, including illegals, have far less crime than cities that don’t. San Diego, which is the epicenter for illegals, is among the 10 larger cities in America that has had the biggest reduction in crime over the past 2 decades. And why? because the concetration if Hispanics in San Diego has grown over those 2 decades.

          California, which has the highest percentage of Hispanics in America at over 35%, has only around 17% of its prison population being Hispanics – and that includes legal and illegal Hispanics.

          The vast majority of anti-immigrant poster on this article, including gunsliner below, doesn’t have a clue what he’s posting – it’s all total BS!!!

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          1. Whatmeworry February 13, 2015

            Sorry Colored natives are the only group committing more crimes than illegals. They CA federal prison populations are 60% illegal.
            90% of CA state prison population is a combination of Latin’s and colored.
            Your problem is your getting your info from either LaRaza or Barak

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          2. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            Why are you picking on people from colorado? Just because they smoke their dope don’t mean they commit crimes.

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          3. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            So now you are accusing everybody in Colorado of being a doper. I guess being a dope makes you an authority?

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          4. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            That whatmeworry moron said it, not me.

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          5. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            Go figure. Just heard that many vagrants and homeless are heading to CO. No wonder crime has escalated. Must be all those Liberal hippie types looking for a free ride and the new age low doe’s who have nothing better to do than be lazy and live off the system. Poor CO. It was always a Conservative state until this past decade or so. Finally have a Republican in office there. Hopefully things can and will turn around. Heard the citizens are sick of the crap and they are also one of two states (including NM) trying to prevent illegals from getting drivers licenses.

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          6. James Bagley February 15, 2015

            Liberal Hippie types? There’s your problem: You’re stuck in the 1960s! I guess all of that free love and other silly stuff that you were left out of way back then sort of left you perpetually disgruntled.

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          7. joe schmo February 17, 2015

            No, I’m a futurist. I believe in space exploration over citizenship for freeloaders. I believe in science over citizenship for freeloaders. I believe in discipline and harder educations for our youth. I believe in competition in the schools and in business. I believe in a strong military. I believe in lower taxes because it has been proven that since oil has gone down that the poor can afford more. You are the fellow living in the flower power of the 60’s. How’s it working for you so far? Well it’s NOT.

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          8. Daniel Max Ketter February 15, 2015

            They are IMMIGRANTS, not illegals.

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          9. joe schmo February 17, 2015

            Bullsh*%! My parents were LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. The Mexicans are ILLEGAL. Did they go through the proper channels to get their citizenship. HELL NO! Your only reasoning for this is not because they deserve a chance here. It’s for the vote moron. There is nothing compassionate about your motives. None whatsoever!

            What’s the matter, don’t you think you can win without them or is your ideology bent around more communism? I’m beginning to wonder. I guess you no longer want a democracy because that is what you are eluding to.

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          10. Daniel Max Ketter February 17, 2015

            You say your parents were legal yet they didn’t go through the proper channels? Sounds like the pot calling the ketter black.

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          11. Whatmeworry February 14, 2015

            Sorry Colorado natives are the only group committing more crimes than
            illegals. They CA federal prison populations are 60% illegal.
            90% of CA state prison population is a combination of Latin’s and colored.
            Your problem is your getting your info from either LaRuza or Barak

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          12. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            Are you a parrot or something?

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          13. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            I think he is a woodpecker you better go hide.

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          14. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            These semi people get their information from each other. Its a loop, like when a tornado hits a sewage plant.

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          15. Buzzi Butt February 15, 2015

            According to Ryken and Grattet, June 2013 report, 41% of the California male prison population are Hispanics, 29% are Blacks and 23% are white. From U.S. census data, 38% of CA population is Hispanic compared to 17% nationwide. San Diego is about 29% Hispanic. There is no direct correlation of reduced crime rate to race or demographics. Such a simplistic causal observation–more Hispanics equals less crime–is just stupidly naive. That’s as valid as saying Blacks are inferior or Irish are hotheads.

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          16. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            Right on:) …..and so true.

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          17. Independent1 February 15, 2015

            An article obviously written by 2 RWNJ anti immigration nuts as everything they posted is a blatant lie:

            Excerpts from an article in Reuters:

            (Reuters) – Immigrants are far less likely than the average U.S.-born citizen to commit crime in California, the most populous state in the United States, according to a report issued late on Monday.

            People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California’s adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California showed.

            According to the report’s authors the findings suggest that long-standing fears of immigration as a threat to public safety are unjustified. The report also noted that U.S.-born adult men are incarcerated at a rate more than 2 1/2 times greater than that of foreign-born men.
            —————————————–
            Excerpts from an article published by NPR:

            Elected officials from Pennsylvania to Arizona have argued that undocumented immigrants contribute to higher crime rates, but some social scientists tell a different story. They argue that first-generation immigrants actually make their communities safer — and they point to some of the nation’s biggest cities as proof.

            Two decades ago, Brooklyn’s Sunset Park neighborhood was nicknamed “Gunset Park” because of its high crime rates. Today, the commercial avenues are bustling, and once-empty storefronts are now full of businesses catering to immigrants from Latin America and Asia and their young families.

            “When a lot of immigrants come to communities, crime tends to drop,” says Philip Kasinitz, who teaches sociology at the City University of New York Graduate Center. “And, of course, it’s quite the opposite of what many people think.”

            ——————————————

            See below how crime has declined over the past two decades in one of America’s cities with the highest concentration of illegals – Sand Diego as that concentration has increased – and even across the nation as the percentage of Hispanics in America has gone up faster than for any other ethnic group:

            Excerpts from the Sand Diego U & T:

            Crime in the U.S. continued its downward trend for the 11th year in a row, according to FBI data released this week. The annual report is based on data gathered by more than 18,000 law enforcement agencies. The national decline in violent and property crimes closely mirrors the trend in the county and city of San Diego over the past decade, although the city saw a slight uptick in crime in 2012 before it went down again last year.

            Nationally, violent crime — including murders, assaults and rapes — decreased 4.4 percent last year when compared to 2012 data. Crimes were tallied at 1.16 million, the lowest number since the 1970s.

            ________________________________

            The article you posted and your rhetoric are all complete BS!!!!!!!!!!!

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          18. Buzzi Butt February 16, 2015

            You may certainly offer your biased interpretation of a topic. To arbitrarily negate printed documents, to decide your references are more valid is a crock. It reflects your unwillingness and/or inability to fairly evaluate a situation, especially if the results go against your preconceived thoughts. Call it narrow minded, conformational bias, or just plain stupidity, the result is the same. You got it wrong.

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          19. Independent1 February 16, 2015

            I just cut and pasted 3 sources which categorically demonstrate that the numbers you printed from a study done by what are clearly two RWNJ immigrant haters – I could pull up several more which dispute those totally blatant irresponsible statistics that you posted, and you’re trying to say that ‘IT’S ME’ that refuses to believe reality??

            No, what you need to realize clueless is that there are numberous RWNJ websites out there which will fabricate statistics (just make them up) in order to try and justify the hatred that they want to spew!! And that includes the Heritage Foundation!!

            RWNJs are not above posting any blatant lie they can find in order to distort the minds of sheeple such as yourself!!!!!

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          20. Buzzi Butt February 16, 2015

            For every RWNJ there is a LWNJ and a IDCNJ. This is America with free speech for all–intelligent , ignorant, old, young, educated and just plain clueless.

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          21. Independent1 February 16, 2015

            Here’s another article for you from CNN which also states that immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than native-born Americans which once again demonstrates that those statistics you posted about Hispanics being the largest group incarcerated in California prisons ARE A LIE!!!!!!!!

            From CNN ( in an article demonstrating that the RWNJ politicians in Arizona that are trying to justify their draconian immigrant related laws are LYING):

            According to FBI statistics, violent crimes reported in Arizona dropped by nearly 1,500 reported incidents between 2005 and 2008. Reported property crimes also fell, from about 287,000 reported incidents to 279,000 in the same period. These decreases are accentuated by the fact that Arizona’s population grew by 600,000 between 2005 and 2008.

            According to the nonpartisan Immigration Policy Institute, proponents of the bill “overlook two salient points: Crime rates have already been falling in Arizona for years despite the presence of unauthorized immigrants, and a century’s worth of research has demonstrated that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be behind bars than the native-born.”

            Read the article:

            http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/29/arizona.immigration.crime/index.html

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          22. Buzzi Butt February 16, 2015

            Since when has CNN been an authority on crime or scholarly research? I can access the same FBI data without suffering through the news babblers spin.

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          23. Independent1 February 16, 2015

            I know this is probably to mentally challenging for you to comprehend, but several university sponsored studies of news outlets have shown that while Faux News is the outlet that turns the most Americans into mass ignorance, it’s NPR, CNN and USA Today that are the most reliable news sources in America. The more you try to discredit what virtually everyone except RWNJs recognize as reputable news sources, the more you prove that you’re nothing more than a RWNJ on steroids.

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          24. Buzzi Butt February 17, 2015

            Again, the news media publishes that which will make them money. For the most part the information is truthful, albeit a bit skimpy on substance and tending to reflect the political idiology of the head honchos. One can oftem paint the same news tidbit good or bad without fibbing. It happens all the time. Unfortunately, too many journalists and newscasters confuse journalism and editorializing.

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          25. Independent1 February 16, 2015

            And if you doubt my comment about the Heritage Foundation lying, here’s an article for you that proves my statement:

            From Political Correction:

            But, without even getting into its thoroughly absurd economic projections, Heritage is comically dishonest. It credits tax cuts with economic growth that preceded them. It claims a reduction in tax rates isn’t a tax cut. It suggests nobody claimed the Bush tax cuts would pay for themselves, when in fact both the Bush administration and Heritage itself made exactly that claim. Again and again, Heritage crosses the line between “wrong” and “dishonest.”

            Have a look, for example, at Heritage senior policy analyst Curtis Dubay’s recent attack on Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV):

            Senate Majority leader Harry Reid (D-NV) drifted off to fairy-tale world this week and dreamed up some statistics as he did.

            Dubay was responding to Reid saying: “Many of our job creators are like unicorns—they’re impossible to find and don’t exist. That’s because only a tiny fraction of people making more than a million dollars, probably less than one percent, are actually small business owners and only a tiny fraction of that tiny fraction is a traditional job creator.”

            his claim,” Dubay wrote, “is wildly off base”:

            Senator Reid’s statistical confusion on small businesses and job creation could be understandable. The statistics were once notoriously difficult to find, because there was no objective definition of small business. But the Treasury Department rectified this with a recent study. It contains firm data that refute Reid’s unsubstantiated and implausible claim.
            Now, here’s how the Treasury Department itself describes that same study:

            Specifically, a recent discussion paper by Treasury’s Office of Tax Analysis shows that only 1 percent of all small business owners have adjusted gross income over $1 million and would be affected by this surcharge. Not only will the remaining 99 percent of small business owners be protected from paying this surcharge, they will receive a net benefit from the employer-side payroll tax cuts.

            ——————————————————-

            Read the whole article and learn a little about how the Right-Wing likes to LIE AND LIE AND LIE about EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!

            http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201112190010

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          26. Buzzi Butt February 16, 2015

            Nothing is absolute except death. Tone down your rhetoric or continue being another nut job. It makes no difference to me. At least we live in a country that allows us to spew such verbiage as we wish. I still cherish that much maligned document, the Constitution, which allows you and me to battle it out and stay alive regardless of our viewpoints.

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          27. Independent1 February 16, 2015

            And if the Heritage Foundation, which is the head of the right-wing octopus isn’t above spewing one blatant lie after another (just read kenndeb’s posts who is posting from Heritage), then what can you expect from all of the octopus’ tenacles like GOP politicians, RWNJ websites, Faux News, and one RWNJ personality after another like Rush Limpbag, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and others??????

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          28. Buzzi Butt February 16, 2015

            If one truly wants to present an argument for or against something, citing TV, radio and political sources doesn’t cut it. All those organizations are out to make money and flamboyant talk is always a money maker. Yakkity Yak # 1 makes bucks selling advertising on the radio/TV station, Yakkity Yak #2 gets elected to Congress. It’s all about the dollar. It matters not what the team colors are, who is President or the price of an AK-47 in Nigeria.

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          29. Buzzi Butt February 16, 2015

            Sociology prof at U.C. Davis. It sounds like you have been visiting your favorite medium again. There is no other way you can divine someone’s political view from an an article based on head counting.

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        2. Daniel Max Ketter February 13, 2015

          Huh?? Did you pull those numbers out of your keyster or sumething??

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          1. Independent1 February 13, 2015

            Yeah! He’s pulling them out of the sky!!

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          2. Daniel Max Ketter February 13, 2015

            I guess ignorance is that sob’s best quality.

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          3. Independent1 February 13, 2015

            I think he just likes to throw out BS to stir things up a bit.

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          4. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            He’s such a loser that the federal govt wouldn’t even hire his arse.

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          5. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            I have feeling you would just love to hire his arse.

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          6. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            I’d hire him to shovel snow in my driveway if he did a good job.

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          7. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            Do you actually know what a good job is. Aren’t most jobs done half arse nowadays. Maybe you need to hire an illegal. Won’t get the job most hard working people used to do, but it will be done. Half-arse anyway.

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          8. Daniel Max Ketter February 15, 2015

            I used to go south of the border in Juarez to buy a piece of arse, but never brought nuttin back into the U.S. except maybe crabs.

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          9. kG February 17, 2015

            There are STDs that affect the brain . Have you been checked for those?

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          10. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            Who would want to work for the government anyway. Nowadays it is an unorganized, mismanaged, corrupt organization full of freeloaders.

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          11. Daniel Max Ketter February 15, 2015

            I don’t know either? He’s the one who was whining about it.

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          12. joe schmo February 17, 2015

            Oh, haven’t you heard the latest? I guess not since you are so uninformed. Inequality disparity is all washed up. Just heard that the poorer and moderate poor are paying less than the wealthy. The poor payed 13% while the wealthy over 20%. For example, someone who is rich made 29 million last year rather than 39 million. That’s a difference of 10 million.

            Honestly, France proved this theory in practice when they decided to tax the people 75%. The wealthy were the ones they wanted to extract most of the money from only…..they found out that it wasn’t working. The wealthy don’t generate enough to pay of the debts of a Country. So now they are retracting that law because it didn’t work:) …..And now stupid Obama keeps pushing the issue. What about his wealth. What about Hillary’s. Does that not count at all?

            Again, the filthy rich are mostly in your camp. So you are barking up the wrong tree.

            http://nikitas3.com/1083/why-are-so-many-rich-people-liberals/

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          13. kenndeb February 15, 2015

            Just like you like to spread copy and paste propaganda.

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          14. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            What ever his qualities are they are head and shoulders above yours.

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          15. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            I don’t know what kind of shampoo that moron uses, as long as he keeps his dandruff down.

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          16. joe schmo February 15, 2015

            So is your ideology which verges on Marxism. I suppose, in your case, ignorance is bliss. We are trading Capitalism (there’s that bad word) for Communism. Now you need to think about whether you want to be controlled. I certainly don’t want to be. So where does that leave us?

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          17. Daniel Max Ketter February 15, 2015

            That’s extreme communism. I would rather live in moderate socialism than a fascist police state.

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          18. joe schmo February 17, 2015

            ‘Moderate Socialism! Not exactly what this is becoming. I think you should do some research. If you can’t do that than maybe I need to address the answer for you.

            My family escaped Communism. I just spoke with a Romanian whose family also escaped communism just before the wall came down. They said the same thing I have been saying. They see it coming in the back door. You see, you don’t understand because you have never lived under extreme conditions. Your NEW form of Liberalism is turning into something more…….. You better make sure you want to get rid of your freedom and fear for your life everyday because of something you have said. You have no clue….

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          19. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            Is it not your thing to be pulling objects out of keysters?

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          20. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            Just hemorrhoids.

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      3. Leftout February 13, 2015

        There adequate laws on the books , all is needle is enforcement. No one should be allowed to vote unless a citizen. A drivers license is not a ticket to the voting booth, I am sure Obama and the Democrsts would agree to this.

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        1. Whatmeworry February 13, 2015

          Nope, don’t agree

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          1. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            What is it exactly you don’t agree on?

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        2. Independent1 February 15, 2015

          I’m not certain what your point is, but the GOP made an extensive effort to prove that illegals and even legalsl were voting illegally and failed miserably. And that happened in every state where a judge had contested their voter suppression laws, such that a majority of voter suppression laws have been overruled on the basis that the GOP couldn’t validate more than a handful of supposed voter fraud cases which occurred during the process of actually voting over the past decade plus.

          The vast majority of proven voter fraud cases are actually committed by Republicans outside the voting booth via one fraudulent effort after another to steal votes from people before they even get to the voting booth, or mislead voters as to actually when voting is taking place and where, or doing everything they can to make voting as inconvenient as is possible; or by actually gimmicking the voting machines to record votes for Republicans that were actually cast for Democrats.

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          1. Leftout February 15, 2015

            I notice there is worry about extra votes sneaking in from some mysterious source, of course these should be discounted if there is evidence to such. Democrats are always accused unfairly , of wanting to give voting rights to Un- documented border crossers to pad their votes . So to assure this is not really the intention of Democrats or anyone else , the eliminating of their right to vote would be necessary, until they take their turn and become verifiable citizens as many others… Similar to E- Verify.. Also entitlements should not be given out freely unless you are actually paying into SSN, Disability, Medicare etc. if there is voter abuse it should be severely prosecuted . These cases are few the far between . Of course all American Blacks should be allowed to vote since they can be easily identified if born in the US. Their votes , automatically , should all be posted to the democratic column, since 99% , do vote Democrat. The few who vote otherwise should be given the opportunity to cast their votes alternately. These are few and far between…. Personal communications .

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          2. Independent1 February 15, 2015

            Yes. I’m confident that what you’re suggesting is in fact happening. I think that has been substantiated given the costly and extensive efforts that a number of GOP related organizations have gone through to try and substantiate the GOP’s absurd overreaching voter suppression efforts without finding any substantive voter fraud being committed by any of the groups you mentioned.

            That’s not to say that there isn’t any. Because like with everything in our world today, there are always a few truly devious people who will figure out a way to perpetrate fraud; be it in voting, be it with respect to schemes in overcharging for services provided in our healthcare sector like was done by Rick Scott in one of the largest Medicare fraud cases ever, or with respect to defense industry contractors like Haliburton that was caught charging $100/gal for gas to fill up jeeps in Iraq; there will always be someone getting away with gaming the system.

            But with respect to voting at the ballot box, there is not enough of that going on to have effected any election; and people who keep bringing up are doing so simply to cover up their own fraudulent intentions of actually suppressing the vote in an effort to steal just one more election – as the GOP has already done several times like in 2014 where they won a number of Senate seats despite the fact that Democrats received 20 million more votes; the GOP wins were primarily due to voter suppression and unprecedented gerrymandering

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          3. Leftout February 15, 2015

            Yes. Gaming , gerrymandering, PAC monies ( corruption/bribery ) – should be banned , rescinded- is used by lobby interests to subvert elections. The everyday shlub worker has no influence. I am in healthcare and transferring monies from 100$ bandaids -GAMING – icharges to cover non insured ER Care is common. No one knows the true costs in healthcare because of non patient related costs in satisfying the ancillary hotel costs and high expectation service needs of patients. We all desire to leave the hospital 200% better than we arrived. Does anyone get a subsidy for purchasing a 55k SUV for family needs? No, we have to pay for it or do with less .

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      4. Whatmeworry February 13, 2015

        Your right they are 80% of the jail population, commit 92% of the crime,father more kids and walk away. Suck $900B out of the economy

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        1. Independent1 February 13, 2015

          You get more ridiculous with each post. Is it going to be 100% the next post???

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          1. Whatmeworry February 13, 2015

            Ever used Google?? Try it some time

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          2. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            No, but I use preparation h when my hemorrhoids start flaring up

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          3. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            WOW! I bet you are no fun on a date?

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          4. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            Why do you even bother to reply to that moronic, retarded, walking hemorrhoid?

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          5. Ruby Rott February 15, 2015

            Why not? You are as highly opinionated and lopsided on your “fact” quoting as anyone else on NM.

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          6. Independent1 February 15, 2015

            Really?? Provide reputable links that dispute facts that I post. I’ll guarantee you that I don’t make things up and that I do extensive research on most everything I post and claim to be factual. Unlike, Whatmeworry, who intentionally posts BS just to get a rise out of bloggers. He’ll admit that the majority of what he posts is BS.

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          7. Ruby Rott February 16, 2015

            Your reputable links are often a newspaper article or someone else’s interpretation of presumed factual information. In other words it’s second hand at best. Which is why, when you only present data to support your own biased opinion, you have a de facto invalidation of your argument. You draw conclusions, then present supporting evidence. That is backarsewards. We all know that when dealing with people absolutes are a rarity. Physical death is the one prominent exception. The other is one’s opinion, “In general, an opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement about matters commonly considered to be subjective…” from Wikipedia.

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          8. Independent1 February 16, 2015

            Ahh!! More mumbo jumbo nonsense from an obvious RWNJ who only knows how to try and discredit facts. What I post are nothing more than reputable websites with columnists who summorize and report ON FACTS!! FACTS gained from studies of REALITY!! Not MINDLESS HYPERBOLE that SPEWS FROM THE LIKES OF YOU!! GO POUND SAND WITH YOUR IDIOTIC NONSENSE!!!

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          9. Ruby Rott February 19, 2015

            Why do you call everyone you don’t like a RWNJ? You have got to admit there are lots and lots of people in the world and
            I don’t think they can be divided into just 2 groups: Your camp and
            RWNJ. Can’t someone just be a PONJ (plain old nut job) or BNJ (Boring Nut Job) or WNJ (Wacko nut job)?

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          10. Independent1 February 19, 2015

            If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck. You can call yourself anything you like, but if you want me and others on the NM not to call you an RWNJ, then stop posting lies, distortions of the truth and fabrications of reality like a RWNJ.

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        2. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

          May I second that, Please?

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        3. highpckts February 17, 2015

          That’s funny because I just read where 30 people were arrested in NY for food stamp fraud and guess what??? Every freakin one of them were white!!!

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          1. Whatmeworry February 17, 2015

            My figures were probably wrong. I got them through google.

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    2. Whatmeworry February 13, 2015

      The rich?? Your not serious are you. This is all about voting and the Dems providing them with enough free stuff to keep them here. The Dem’s have made them sales of the party

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      1. Daniel Max Ketter February 13, 2015

        Yeah, republicans are an embarrassment to the human race.

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        1. kenndeb February 14, 2015

          Don’t you mean liberals?

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          1. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            No REPublicans!

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        2. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

          Being a UAW union member is a sacrilege requiring burning at the stake. You people ruined the auto industry with your greed and selfishness . I haven’t owned a POS Detroit vehicle in 30 years.

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          1. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            You’re unamerican for driving that jap sh#t. A slap in the face to the american worker.

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          2. hicusdicus February 15, 2015

            That sounds good to me. My three KIA’s were all made in the USA. By Americans who appreciate having a job.I hope you are not referring to your lot as workers . You ruined the American brand of auto making. With your constant whining for more money and benefits and pension funds. Then you turned around and produced junky, unsafe cars. You talk about greedy republicans. Detroit, the monument to the auto worker.

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          3. Daniel Max Ketter February 15, 2015

            I negotiated to make sure my union brothers brought enough money home to pay the rent and feed their family, instead of living in the poor house on food scraps. The corporates cannot make a good safe car for the consumers when me and the boys are holding our signs and walking the lines.

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          4. Ruby Rott February 15, 2015

            I bet you watch TV , use a computer, wear clothes all made in America, right?

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          5. Daniel Max Ketter February 15, 2015

            Yep, an RCA made in Indiana, my grey shirts made in Poughkeepsie NY, and my fruit of the loom boxers out of Bowling Green KY. All made in good ole USA.

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          6. Ruby Rott February 16, 2015

            You are so funny. If the RCA TV (?) was made in Indiana, it’s an antique. The RCA TV brand was sold years ago to various foreigners starting in 1986.

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          7. Daniel Max Ketter February 17, 2015

            Yeah, it’s a 1971 console tv. I had to get one of those dam digital box devices so I can get my local stations. I’d like to get a new one with one of those remote control gadgets.

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          8. Ruby Rott February 19, 2015

            Be careful!! It won’t be U.S. made. Is it a color set or B&W?

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          9. Ruby Rott February 19, 2015

            1971? Does it still have the round picture tube?

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        3. Ruby Rott February 15, 2015

          Naw. Ignorance is the big embarrassment. We have a government with the power to decide what you and I do every living moment. Untie the hands of the human race from oppressive government control. I really doubt that there will be fewer wars, stupid ideologies running amuck or hungry people. But at least more people will have a chance and a choice.

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          1. Daniel Max Ketter February 15, 2015

            Our counties only ignorance is our new congress.

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          2. Un Ruley February 16, 2015

            You have got to look at history, and I don’t mean what is in yesterday’s newspaper.

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        4. Ruby Rott February 15, 2015

          Why pick on Republicans? Detroit has had Democrat rulers since the early 1960’s who did a really good job of destroying the town. 75% population loss, shut down the auto industry, left the the pension funds bankrupt. Yeah, the Dems are really our salvation.

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          1. Daniel Max Ketter February 15, 2015

            Why not?? Republicans are the root and cause of all evil, especially the tea farty jerks.

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          2. Un Ruley February 16, 2015

            Well, you could pretend that you are open minded and might consider that Dems are part of the problem. And you, since you voted for those socialists.

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          3. dpaano February 26, 2015

            ONE city…for crying out load, is that ALL you have as an example. I sure many of us on this post could give you many more examples of Republican BS; for example, Brownback and how he has pretty much bankrupted Kansas for one! I’m sure there are plenty more!

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          4. Ruby Rott March 5, 2015

            Detroit is but one an example and a rather significant one. Millions of people were affected by the poor management of the city, controlled by Democrats for so long.. In Kansas Brownback came in after 8 years of a Democrat governor. For the past 40 years the governors of Kansas have been about equally divided between Democrats and Republican. The problems facing Kansas can hardly be the fault of a governor that has been in office only 4 years. Both parties are responsible for the fiscal messes and voters have turned a blind eye to misgoverning when the candy store is open.

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    3. Whatmeworry February 13, 2015

      The rich?? Your not serious are you. This is all about voting and the Repub’s providing them with enough free stuff to keep them here. The Repub’s have made them sales of the party

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    4. joe schmo February 17, 2015

      Who did it before you idiot?

      Many Americans were pushed out of the construction trade, yard care trade, maid trade, foodservice worker trade, mall worker trade, etc… and believe you me, the job was done much better and things were much cleaner than they are since the beaner’s have been doing the job.

      Again, we need a quota!

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      1. 788eddie February 18, 2015

        Please cut out the insulting language, so the discussion can be civil, joe.

        And, as for quotas, I’ll bet the Native Americans wish quotas were in place before any whites arrived.

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      2. Independent1 February 19, 2015

        More of your hogwash!! If what your saying is true, why in less than 2 months after Alabama passed its ill fated immigration law, did farmers, motels, hotels, construction companies and more start bombarding the state about having to either leave Alabama or go bankrupt because even during the Great Recession these businesses couldn’t find workers?? Why did the state have to try and replace the immigrants who fled the state with prisoners from Alabama’s jails and prisons? And why shortly after that did that, why did many businesses still threaten to leave because the prisoners wouldn’t work anywhere near as hard as the immigrants had??

        Your post is pure unadulterated garbage. Sure, there may be a few instances where an immigrant my replace a native-born American, but that is extremely rare as the immigrants can rarely speak English and rarely have the education needed to do the jobs the vast majority of native-born Americans are willing to do.

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      3. Independent1 February 19, 2015

        And here’s an article you should also read a little:

        Left and Right Agree: Immigrants Don’t Take American Jobs

        Some excerpts:

        That immigrants take the jobs of American-born citizens is “something that virtually no learned person believes in,” Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration expert at the libertarian Cato Institute, said at a Thursday panel. “It’s sort of a silly thing.”

        Most economists don’t find immigrants driving down wages or jobs, the Brookings Institution’sMichael Greenstone and Adam Looney wrote in May. In fact, “on average, immigrant workers increase the opportunities and incomes of Americans,” they write. Foreign-born workers don’t affect the employment rate positively or negatively, according to a 2011 analysis from the conservative American Enterprise Institute. And a study released Wednesday by the liberal Center for American Progress suggests that granting legal status to undocumented workers might even create jobs.

        http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/left-and-right-agree-immigrants-don-t-take-american-jobs-20130322

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  15. tomtype February 13, 2015

    Had to post this over from my son-in-law on facebook. He was a Korean orphan adopted in Minnesota. He is now a successful immigration lawyer in Washington DC.:
    Had to post this story, because it is beyond ridiculous. A friend of
    mine in Ellicott City, MD, ordered a Valentine’s Day gift for his wife.
    The package was to be delivered by UPS. He received a notification
    that it had been delivered and signed for, but he never actually
    received the package. He called UPS and was told that the driver
    couldn’t find his address, so the driver had left the package with
    another home (not a neighbor mind you and not even near his place, but
    someone else along the driver’s route), because — drum roll, please
    — that person, like my friend, had a Korean-sounding last name. Not
    the same Korean last name; just another Korean-sounding last name. And
    by the way, no, they did not know each other. My friend was told it
    would take 8 to 10 days to do an investigation and get the package
    returned to him, so he ended up having to drive to some random
    stranger’s home (embarrassingly) to pick up his package in order to have
    the gift in time for the holiday.

    While, only related to the theme, it wins today’s Friday the 13 award.

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    1. Whatmeworry February 13, 2015

      Were the other Koreans illegal as well?

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      1. tomtype February 13, 2015

        I hope double speak is not endemic with you.

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        1. Whatmeworry February 13, 2015

          I can be ignorant at times

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          1. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

            Don’t let it bother you. Being ignorant is a requirement on NM.

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          2. dpaano February 25, 2015

            Yes, your comments bear that out considerably!

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          3. hicusdicus February 26, 2015

            Your back-words grammar makes you a member in good standing

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          4. dpaano February 26, 2015

            Since I have an MBA and a B.A. with an English major, my grammar is excellent. As a note, I am also a member in good standing in Mensa. So, your comments are inane.

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          5. hicusdicus February 26, 2015

            Of course you do. I also, isn’t that a coincidence.

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      2. Daniel Max Ketter February 13, 2015

        Now that’s not a good thing to say. My little girl is married to a Korean, and he is very productive and has a work visa.

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        1. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

          I am so happy for you. I have a Korean car that is very productive and has 100000 mile work visa.

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          1. Daniel Max Ketter February 14, 2015

            Korea does make better cars than the japs, but you should still buy american to remain patriotic to the starts and bars.

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      3. tomtype February 14, 2015

        I doubt if there were many illegal Korean orphans. By the way, he goes under a good Swedish name. It tends to produce double takes.
        The reason we got so many of the Korean orphans, was they were often of mixed parentage (courtesy of our servicemen) and a dirty secret is that Korea treats mixed parentage babies as the worst kind of outcast. Whereas they would have at least a chance here.

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    2. Whatmeworry February 13, 2015

      Were the other Koreans illegible as well?

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    3. kG February 17, 2015

      WTF does your (Korean) American son have to do with anything? Do you know what the word illegals means?

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      1. tomtype February 17, 2015

        I think it is a good example of not thinking when it comes to matters involving foreigners. It is another example of “they all look alike” syndrome.
        Yes, I do know what illegals means. I’m not sure everyone on here does, as many just assume that anyone who they think is different than they are, assume they must be illegal [probably immoral, and fatening too].

        Just look at the rest of the comments this generated. At least yours is civil.

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        1. kG February 17, 2015

          Sir, prejudice and racism are separate issues. Over ten million illegals living in this country and one man creating instant citizens out of law breakers disregarding the constitution and our collective welfare is something else.

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          1. tomtype February 18, 2015

            #1 Why do we have so many illegals? Is is because we want immigration, just not from certain countries?
            #2. Why don’t we already have in place easy ways to convert them into non-law breakers. Reagan did it in one swoop. When we annexed the entire southwest, we made all residents citizens at one fell swoop. We even get objection from people from the long tradition of anyone born here is a citizen.
            #3. We obviously have a long standing, serious need to address these people. They obviously want to be here, want to be good citizens, so why won’t we let them do so. It is not them preventing it, it is the native born.
            #4. Our collective welfare would seem to demand us making some sort of reasonable effort at finding a solution, espeically if the only crime they have committed is being here illegally. That does not seem like much of a criminal history. We admit all kinds of refugees who have far longer and worse “criminal histories” in their home countries, such as opposition to the government, opposition to secret police, being tortured by secret police. Far worse histories.
            #5. We confuse people here, just trying to become Americans and living normal lives and really vicious, brutal and violent criminals, and then discriminate against those with the spunk and entrepreneurship to come here and survive despite not having the papers and security of being native born.
            So, is it prejudice or racism. Does it really matter which category the injustice is listed under?

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          2. kG February 18, 2015

            What a load of horse manor! This country issues two million legal visas every year to people around the world. That is Two Million!! More than any country on earth. In the last decade we had 9 million jobs created but had 18 million immegrants,Legal immegrants. That is two immegrant for every job created. There are millions waiting patiently in line to come here. These illegals just cut through the lines and decided to squatt. You are one of those idiots who either likes to cut infornt of others at the grocery store or the sucker whom everybody cuts in front of. Either way you are a fool!
            That is the real problem with Liberalism,you just want to feel good with all this bulcrap about these poor illegals who came here and dropped babies. Look at the numbers! We are a facing a massive numbers of unskilled labors and our unemplyment rate for the uneducated and poor minorities are reaching third world levels. Do you want to live in Mexico because that is what we are becoming!

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          3. tomtype February 19, 2015

            Earlier you posted that racism and prejudice are different issues. Well, poor education and immigration are separate issues. Maybe if we did a better job in educating our citizens, we would not have as many skilled jobs going begging while overloading the unskilled job seekers. Which then might create a more vibrant economy which could absorb more immigrants.
            Personally I don’t like people cutting in line anywhere. But when I see a whole line of people waiting to check out, while there is a cashier just waiting in the full basket line, that will not check out any of the less than 20 customers, because it isn’t her job, I expect her to either invite some of the customers to use her check out or do something to relieve the silly situation of overworking one and not working the other at all.
            By the way, when did celebacy become a requirement for US emigration? What a prejudiced statement, and silly statement: “illegals who came here and dropped babies.”
            Which helps explain the insipid statement about liberals. No, we have a problem, which you want to feel good about by pontificating and not solving. Me, I want to deal with it. And the truth is we need to find some way of integrating them into our society for we invite abuse of them, we invite a two level society, and we sweep the issue under the rug, and hope that they won’t notice.

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          4. dpaano February 25, 2015

            YEah, let’s talk about all those H1 visas that the U.S. is giving out…..bringing in people from overseas to do the jobs that Americans can do and are begging to do….is that okay with you or do you have a problem with that too?

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          5. dpaano February 25, 2015

            Golly, did you forget that your king Reagan legalized millions of immigrants while he was President….no one complained too loudly about that. Can you explain why that was? I know, it’s because President Obama is so unliked by the conservatives (because, in my opinion, they are afraid of him).

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          6. Independent1 February 25, 2015

            What?? prejudice and racism are separate issues?? Where did you come up with that malarky?? Racism is just one sign of prejudice; you can be prejudiced about a lot of things – one of them being you outright dislike certain ethnic peoples!!!

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  16. Whatmeworry February 13, 2015

    yea Caldron would be my 1st pick as a sounding board on illegals. The solution would be for Obama to put in place sanctions just like he has done to Russia. Coupled with an end to all US aid until those countries are forced to take back their citizens or face paying a bill for the services provided to them by the US taxpayers

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    1. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

      That would be better than 3 wet dreams in a row. My idea is to use them for fertilizer.

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    2. joe schmo February 17, 2015

      Why not just fine the people hiring them:) I guess that solution is just too simple……

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      1. Whatmeworry February 17, 2015

        Barak and the dem’s won’t make Everify mandatory

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        1. Daniel Max Ketter February 17, 2015

          Barack and the dem’s will make Everify mandatory

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      2. Whatmeworry February 17, 2015

        Barak and the dem’s will make Everify mandatory

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  17. Al Baniya February 14, 2015

    In June of 2008 Houston Police Officer Gary Gryder was struck and killed by an illegal alien drunk driver.

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    1. hicusdicus February 14, 2015

      I used to live in Houston nearly 17 years. Some uninsured, don’t care illegal alien hurts one or more people every day and then disappears.

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      1. joe schmo February 15, 2015

        Well, I live in CaliMexico. Illegals hitting residents and taking off is commonplace. I have a good story about my sister-in-law who works for probation in the neighboring town. She got hit by an illegal. When the guy got out of his car to run off she cornered him and held him until the police got there. Mind you it was in a very busy shopping center so holding him was easy. LOL, if we could all have that tenacity.

        California caters to these suckers and they have all the jobs pushing citizens out. I resent them because my parents went through the motions and worked hard to become legal citizens of America. They actually wanted to be Americans. Many illegals want to take back California and turn it in to that hell-hole down south. Well, I can honestly say they are taking it back without firing a shot. The disparity between rich and poor is growing in this state. Business is leaving or hiring low cost workers. Just look at California Edison. Liberal state, liberal values. We were forced to become the first state to eliminate shopping bags. California is the poster child of things that are to come. Prepare yourself because it isn’t pretty. We have the most illegal immigrants in any of the states (half last year) and they get everything, free schooling, free housing, free food. If you are a bilingual teacher you get more money. Colleges won’t get funding unless they cater to the Hispanics. As proof on local television, they commit most of the crimes. While we the legal citizens get the slop left over. Many people who can’t get jobs have started businesses which they are getting taxed to death for. In fact, the taxpayer is paying for all these freebies. We have the highest restrictions for gas restrictions of any state in the Union. The government in this state does any kooky thing that it wants and expects everyone to follow suit. Would love to move but at the moment we can’t. When will this Country wake up? The IRS is already seizing some bank accounts. I believe the crash will occur when the dollar devaluates to nothing and the disparity between rich and poor is great. California is turning into another Detroit.
        Thanks for nothing you Marxists (not you hicusdicus). Can’t wait until it hits home…..

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        1. dpaano February 25, 2015

          Why wouldn’t they want to take back something that we stole from them in the first place? By the way, I also live in California….your comments are ridiculous, but I’ve said that before..no need to respond and remind me. Maybe you can move to Texas and complain about that state too! I’m sure they’d love to have you.

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    2. Buzzi Butt February 15, 2015

      I don’t think it really matters where the drunk came from-the cop is still dead. I dare say many more are killed by non-alien legal drunks. Maybe we can deport them with the IADD as their punishment.

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    3. Independent1 February 15, 2015

      Yeah! So one wacko illegal was responsible for having killed a cop. But for every time that happens there are 2-3 more cops killed by a native -born American. Fact is, that native-born men are incarcerated at least 2 1/2 times more often than foreign born men and are 10 times more likely to commit a crime.

      See these excerpts from a Reuters article:

      (Reuters) – Immigrants are far less likely than the average U.S.-born citizen to commit crime in California, the most populous state in the United States, according to a report issued late on Monday.

      People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California’s adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California showed.

      According to the report’s authors the findings suggest that long-standing fears of immigration as a threat to public safety are unjustified. The report also noted that U.S.-born adult men are incarcerated at a rate more than 2 1/2 times greater than that of foreign-born men.

      When Butcher and her co-author, Anne Morrison Piehl, associate professor of economics at Rutgers University, considered all those committed to institutions including prison, jails, halfway houses and the like, they found an even greater disparity.

      Among men 18 to 40, the population most likely to be in institutions because of criminal activity, the report found that in California, U.S.-born men were institutionalized 10 times more often than foreign-born men (4.2 percent vs. 0.42 percent).

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/02/26/us-usa-immigration-crime-idUSN246261520080226

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      1. paulyz February 15, 2015

        The point really is, if we didn’t have Illegals here in the first place, these crimes committed by them would not exist. We certainly do not need more crime, as well as their cost in unemployment, health care, education, diseases. Also. The border needs to be fully secured to keep out criminals , drugs, terrorists, & previously deported Illegals. What is so hard to understand? You would think that Liberals, Moderates, & Conservatives would agree on this. Actually, they mostly do.

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        1. Independent1 February 16, 2015

          When are you going to grow up and stop spewing so much of your nonsensical gibberisth?? Gibberish that’s filed with one distortion of the truth after another???

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        2. tomtype February 18, 2015

          And if we had no native born population, there would be no crime from them. Tautologies usaully prove nothing.
          And if we did not restrict emigration, especially unreasonably so, we would not have any illegal immigrant, either. Consider than one for a minute.

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      2. Un Ruley February 16, 2015

        Federal immigration reform is geared toward the entire illegal immigrant issue in all 50 states, not just public safety in California with respect to adult males. Kindly note what the Reuters article addresses: ” Our research indicates that limiting immigration, requiring higher educational levels to obtain visas, or spending more money to increase penalties against criminal immigrants will have little impact on public safety,” (in California). Further, Reuters staff edited and published their interpretation of the actual study. Thumbs down to you. I dare say you did NOT read the actual study authored by Butcher et al.

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        1. Independent1 February 16, 2015

          I guess I’m missing your entire point. All the studies I’ve read from Kristin Butcher substantiate everything I’ve been saying: that the vast majority of immigrants that come to America, legally or illegally are their country’s more honest citizens that have a lessor propensity for criminal activity and therefore are far less likely here in America to commit crimes. What studies by Butcher have you come across that disagree with that??

          See this abstract from one of Butcher’s working papers:

          The perception that immigration adversely affects crime rates led to legislation in the 1990s that particularly increased punishment of criminal aliens. In fact, immigrants have much lower institutionalization (incarceration) rates than the native born – on the order of one-fifth the rate of natives. More recently arrived immigrants have the lowest relative incarceration rates, and this difference increased from 1980 to 2000. We examine whether the improvement in immigrants’ relative incarceration rates over the last three decades is linked to increased deportation, immigrant self-selection, or deterrence. Our evidence suggests that deportation does not drive the results. Rather, the process of migration selects individuals who either have lower criminal propensities or are more responsive to deterrent effects than the average native. Immigrants who were already in the country reduced their relative institutionalization probability over the decades;
          and the newly arrived immigrants in the 1980s and 1990s seem to be particularly unlikely to be involved in criminal activity, consistent with increasingly positive selection along this dimension.
          Kristin F. Butcher
          Department of Economics
          Wellesley College
          106 Central Street
          Wellesley, MA 02481-8203
          kbutcher@wellesley.edu

          ——————————-
          What are you suggesting that Butcher’s studies have shown which disagree with my points??

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          1. Un Ruley February 21, 2015

            This is from Butcher: “… Furthermore, earlier immigrants are more likely to be
            institutionalized than more recent immigrants. Although all immigrant
            cohorts appear to assimilate toward the higher institutionalization
            rates of the native-born as time in the country increases,…”

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          2. Independent1 February 21, 2015

            Sure, given that several studies have shown that when immigrants first get here they’re around 10 times less likely to commit a crime, like with everything else, over time they probably pick up the bad habits of native-born Americans – just like the immigrant women when they 1st come here have no idea about contraceptvies and therefore have higher birthrates than native-born Americans which is far below the replacement rate. But in time, immigrant women learn about contraceptives and realize they can control how many babies they have and their birth rate starts falling closer to native-born women.

            But what you failed to bring out is that because immigrant men start out 10 times less likely than native-born to commit a crime, that Butcher never said that immigrants ever get so ‘nativeized’ that they ever reach the level of corruptness that native-borns have from the gitgo.

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          3. dpaano February 25, 2015

            I agree with you, but I have to remind you that the ONLY native-born American people are the American indians…..if you really want to be serious. Just saying….we seem to forget that we were ALL immigrants at one time through our ancestors from Ireland, Italy, etc.

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          4. Independent1 February 25, 2015

            I think in the studies I’ve seen, American Indians are referred to as ‘Native Americans’. The term ‘Native-Born’ is used to differentiate Americans born here, from Americans born outside the country.

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      3. joe schmo February 17, 2015

        It’s not only the police being killed by illegal drivers you moron….

        Here ya go….

        http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

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    4. dpaano February 25, 2015

      So, what’s that got to do with anything….citizens are run down on a daily basis, most by U.S. citizen drivers! Can’t you find anything else that has actual validity to this post?

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  18. kG February 16, 2015

    You liberals are pathetic! That is what we need , taking advise from a curropt , failed Mexican president on how to run our country. Perhaps next we can have one of the drug lords enlighten us as well!

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    1. highpckts February 17, 2015

      I think you have that wrong! If anyone is pathetic it is the Republicans who keep spouting the same old tired solutions that have been proven to NOT work! A stronger border obviously isn’t working so why don’t all you guys go down there, link hands and you keep the border secure! LOL As if!!

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      1. kG February 17, 2015

        According to to a 2012 Gallup poll three out five Central American citizen would like to move to the USA if permitted. Let’s let them all in! We might has well,we are going to be a third world Latino dominated nation in a couple of decades any way.
        A federal judge just declared this criminal’s amnesty for the ten million illegals unconstitutional but it won’t stop the liberal fascists from imposing their will on the country. I hope you will be just as tolerant when the next conservative president decrees gay marriage and all abortions ” differed “.

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        1. highpckts February 17, 2015

          A Federal judge did not declare anything unconstitutional. He merely put a stay on it! Keep up!

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          1. kG February 17, 2015

            To quote him exactly” an over reach ….where the constitiution solely gives the congress the right to pass immigration laws”. Also the the criminal himself had acknowledged a half a dozen times that any executive action regarding amnesty would be un constitutional.
            But of course none of it would make any difference as long as you liberals play can your Clintonian games with words.

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          2. highpckts February 17, 2015

            The “criminal”??? Who would that be? You? I don’t ever recall the President EVER saying it was unconstitutional! He wouldn’t even do it since he is a professor of Constitional law! You are grasping and listening to too much Faux news!!

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          3. kG February 17, 2015

            You don’t recall? That is because you are an idiot! There are several clips of him saying that as recent as last year. The Washington Times website probably still has the one from last year. Just google it.
            What a joke! A professor of the constitution!
            ” an action considered injurious to public welfare ,morals or the intrest of the people….” One legal definition of crime. Amnesty to millions of law breaker is exactly that. Immigration laws are passed by the Congress. The president’s job is to enforce the laws of the nation. Given amnesty, issuing work visas,driver licenses and government subsidies(welfare) to illegals is contrary to his oath and against the law( the constitution) thus he is a criniminal!

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          4. highpckts February 17, 2015

            ” an action considered injurious to public welfare ,morals or the intrest of the
            people….” One legal definition of crime. Amnesty to millions of law breaker is
            exactly that. Immigration laws are passed by the Congress” This does not fall under the executive order giving immigants that have been here more than 10 years a right to become citizens. They are not causing you any unjuries to your morals or welfare! The President is well within his rights to issue this order as seen from the below chart.

            President Truman issued a robust 896 executive orders over almost eight years in office.

            President Obama has issued 184 orders so far in his presidency. His predecessor, President George W. Bush, issued 291 orders over eight years, while President Bill Clinton had 364 executive orders during his two terms in office.
            So it seems to me that you just disagree with the black man in office since you obviously don’t know much of anything else!

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          5. kG February 17, 2015

            Executive orders and shielding law breakers ,issuing visas,driver licenses and passing immigration laws are separate things. You are clearly and willfully ignorant about the criminality of instantly creating ten million citizens who will vote for your party by one Man disregarding the constitution. Just keep drinking the cool aid!

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          6. kG February 17, 2015

            So it’s about a black man? Ah… Go on utube and watch Obama has already made the case against amnesty. Please, see what the ’emperor ‘ says!

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        2. dpaano February 25, 2015

          Gee, if I remember my history lessons, a goodly portion of this country used to belong to Mexico and the American Indians…..we are actually the original “immigrants.” How quickly the conservatives forget their U.S. History!

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          1. kG February 25, 2015

            200 years ago! This is no longer a vast open , scarcely populated nation.

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      2. joe schmo February 17, 2015

        Why don’t you, in particular, ever produce any facts or stats. You just spew clap out of your piehole.

        Tired solutions! Well, it’s better than taking this country down an embarrassing road to anti-colonialism mixed with the inception of a delusional ideology that hints at Marxist ideology.

        Our ‘old solutions’ have not worked because they are not even allowed past the Presidents inflexible brain. His attitude borders on immature leadership and, to top it all off, he and his henchmen have brainwashed you people so far left that your heads never see the sunlight for being caught in a cloud of propaganda. It is extremely un-American. Do you really want to lose this Country? Because your side is doing a damn good job destroying it and you don’t even know it.

        We would love to do that and maybe we eventually will because we are so tired of this illegal crap and judging the polls Conservatives are not the only ones sick of it. So enlighten us once more with your bullsh*% and we will make sure that we will not join in on the ‘party’ at hand.

        A house divided cannot stand for long…..-Dr Ben Carson

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        1. highpckts February 17, 2015

          Oh I’m impressed that you quoted the dumb as a box of rocks, Ben Carson – being educated does make you a better person!! And when do we all hear some solutions coming out of your “pie hole”!!! What? Nothing?? Gees!!

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          1. hicusdicus March 1, 2015

            Wow! dumb as a box of rocks. I guess aside from doing brain surgery he could not find his arse in the dark with a flash light.

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      3. hicusdicus March 1, 2015

        You are fabricating again. But that is okay if it makes you feel good.

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  19. Jim Bond February 19, 2015

    According to some estimates, 12 Americans are murdered each day by illegal aliens.

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    1. Independent1 February 25, 2015

      Obviously estimates dreamed up by RWNJ wesites like Breitbart, Rush Limbag and maybe others; because the fact is, that illegal aliens are 10 TIMES LESS LIKELY to commit a crime than a native-born American like maybe you are. And that number comes from numerous studies DONE BY HONEST PEOPLE, NOT RWNJs.

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