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Donald Trump During the Debate

By Steve Holland and Emily Stephenson

ST. LOUIS (Reuters) – A defiant Donald Trump on Sunday said Hillary Clinton would go to jail if he were president and attacked her husband for his treatment of women in a vicious presidential debate less than a month before the U.S. election.

Their debate, the second of three before the Nov. 8 vote, was remarkable for the brutal nature of the exchanges between Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, and Clinton, his Democratic rival.

He called her a “devil” who repeatedly lies, someone with tremendous hate in her heart. She called him an abuser of women.

There was a palpable sense of mutual contempt as they stood on stage, refusing to shake hands at the start. Moderators Anderson Cooper of CNN and Martha Raddatz of ABC both seemed at points to be grimly watching two trains collide.

Through it all, Trump, 70, and Clinton, 68, both landed punches as they clashed over taxes, healthcare, .S. policy in the Syria civil war and Clinton’s comments that half of Trump’s supporters belonged in a “basket of deplorables.”

Trump took the stage in St. Louis, Missouri, at the most perilous time of his 16-month-old candidacy.

A newly uncovered 2005 video of him making vulgar remarks about women prompted a stampede of Republican politicians to abandon him, deepened fissures with establishment party figures, and seemed to many in the party to put his already uphill battle to win the White House even farther out of reach.

A CNN/ORC snap poll of debate watchers found that 57 percent thought Clinton won the encounter, versus 34 percent for Trump. Asian shares crept higher and the Mexican peso climbed on Monday as markets saw less chance of a Trump victory. (In a YouGov poll of 812 voters conducted after the debate, Clinton won by 47 percent to 42 percent.)

Even after the debate, party leaders remained concerned that Trump had not shown enough contrition over the sexually aggressive remarks to win over independents and women voters who could decide the election.

He again described the comments as “locker-room talk” and said he had never kissed or groped women without their permission, despite having bragged about doing so on the video which emerged on Friday.

President Bill Clinton had done worse to women, Trump said in one of several forceful attacks that may reinforce his popularity with his core supporters who detest the Democratic nominee.

Hillary Clinton responded that Trump’s comments showed he was unfit for the White House.

“He has said the video doesn’t represent who he is but I think it’s clear to anyone who heard it that it represents exactly who he is,” Clinton said.

She accused Trump of dodging a discussion of policy issues to avoid talking about his campaign because of “the way yours is exploding and Republicans are leaving you.”

Early in the 90-minute debate, Trump said he would appoint a special prosecutor to look into Clinton’s operation of a private email server during her tenure as President Barack Obama’s secretary of state from 2009-2013.

Clinton said, “You know it’s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in this country.” Trump shot back: “Because you’d be in jail.”

A nearly year-long FBI investigation into the emails concluded earlier this year without charges being filed, although FBI Director James Comey said Clinton had been careless in her handling of sensitive material.

In a startling admission, Trump dismissed a statement from his vice presidential running mate, Mike Pence, last week in which Pence said the United States should be prepared to intervene militarily in Syria.

“He and I haven’t spoken, and I disagree,” Trump said.

Pence, already the subject of rumors that he might bolt the Trump ticket in disgust at the lewd video, tried to quell the rumors by praising Trump after the debate was over.

“Congrats to my running mate @realDonaldTrump on a big debate win! Proud to stand with you…” Indiana Governor Pence said.

Responding to an Oct. 1 New York Times story, Trump acknowledged using investment losses to avoid paying taxes, saying “of course I do.” The Times reported he took so substantial a tax deduction on a declared $916 million loss in 1995 that he could legally have avoided paying any federal income taxes for up to 18 years.

The debate’s town hall-style format, with undecided voters posing about half the questions and the debate’s moderators posing the others, allowed the candidates to move freely around the stage and address the questioners directly.

Clinton and Trump both stood up to answer questions, and Clinton frequently stood directly in front of the questioners to try to connect with voters. At times Trump stood almost over her shoulder, or wandered the stage, while she spoke.

Clinton defended her statement in which she said half of Trump’s supporters were part of a “basket of deplorables.”

“Within hours I said I was sorry about the way I talked about that, because my problem is not with his supporters, it’s with him,” Clinton said.

Trump, in a badgering tone, offered a blistering critique of Clinton’s handling of foreign policy as secretary of state, repeatedly calling it a failure.

Taking a breath through his nose with a loud sniff, he said, “The fact is almost everything she’s done in foreign policy has been a mistake and a disaster.”

Asked at the end to name one thing each admired about the other, Clinton said she respected his children for their ability and devotion to Trump. In response, Trump called her a fighter and said he admired her for her refusal to give up.

As the moderators announced the end of the debate, the two candidates turned toward each other and shook hands.

Their next and last debate is on Oct. 19.

(Writing by Steve Holland and John Whitesides; Additional reporting by Amanda Becker, Amy Tennery, Michelle Conlin; Editing by Howard Goller)

IMAGE: Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton pause during their presidential town hall debate at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, U.S., October 9, 2016. REUTERS/Rick Wilking

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209 Comments

  1. FireBaron October 10, 2016

    I heard a rumor that Teflon Donnie told the truth once. But he soon got over it.

    Reply
    1. Eleanore Whitaker October 10, 2016

      I agree. How does ANYONE win a debate when the debate is a pack of lies, refusal to answer direct questions, pouting and pacing like Mussolini? Trump is buying this presidency. He said so himself. And if the price of a presidency is $100 million as Trump said he donated to his own campaign, you know this country is on its last leg.

      1. Ray Slayton October 10, 2016

        Why don’t you set yourself on fire and go delete some emails.

        1. The lucky one October 10, 2016

          It’s very easy to see why you support Trump as you are obviously mentally challenged.

        2. charleo1 October 10, 2016

          By what theory of law do you suppose anyone, minus probable cause, which hasn’t been shown, is entitled to see any of Clinton’s private correspondence? We just don’t haul people off the streets, and turn them upside down to see what might fall out of their pockets in this Country. We have a Constitution. You should read it.

          1. Jon October 10, 2016

            Do you know where he can find a copy of the Constitution re-written to a 5th grade level? Attempting to read and understand the Constitution would be an exercise in futility.

          2. AgLander October 10, 2016

            The principal in play is very simple. Let me help you understand it. When a government official uses a system to conduct both official and private business, the ENTIRE system is considered government property and ALL contents within that system are the property of the U.S. government. It is NOT up to the individual to determine the difference between the two and to arbitrarily destroy documentation he or she individually deem to be private. Hillary Clinton BROKE THE LAW when she did so. She also was proven to have lied to congressional committee in describing the nature of the documents she destroyed. She also broke the law in destroying such documents AFTER they had already been the subject of a subpoena. Hillary Clinton is a criminal, and unindicted criminal within a crooked system controlled by crooked politicians in key positions who are protecting her. Glad to help you understand the situation accurately.

          3. charleo1 October 10, 2016

            I find it very interesting all the layman lawyering going on. The spurious claims, and finally the comparatively small ball issues the Right likes to decide to get itself all exercised about. To spend so much energy re-litigaing dead issues over and over. While they have by comparison a literal honest to God lunatic attempting to bring down a major political Party they claim to have some allegiance to. So, here’s the deal. No one at the present knows what the hell is going on in their little Right Wing corner of World. But all are very sure they’re ready to call the shots in the one where everyone else lives. I just find all that strange. And a very unlikely proposition to be taken very seriously. I’d sooner put my 4 year old grandson in my car and send him to his Aunt Debbie half way across the Country.
            Than put Trump in charge of the nuclear arsenal, or allow this nitwit to appoint the next 3 Supreme Court Justices.

          4. AgLander October 10, 2016

            There’s no tricky lawyering going on or difficult concepts that require special knowledge and interpretation here…..just the ability to understand English followed by reading the posted laws and regulations regarding the handling of governmental documents by government officials. But the fact that you completely ignored addressing my original explanation to you tells me you fully understand it already but simply decided to skate around it and go ad hominem which is your way of conceding the point! (And very Clintonesque, if I might add, too!)

          5. JPHALL October 10, 2016

            Why does all your reasoning only apply to Clinton. According to all the fact checkers, Trump lies the most by a wide margin, yet you continue to support him. Strange.

      2. yabbed October 10, 2016

        We all know Donald Trump doesn’t have $100 mil to spare and no bank will loan to a 6 time bankrupt. 🙂

    2. itsfun October 10, 2016

      Just so a search for a list of Hillary’s lies and you will find pages and pages of them. Hillary has brought lying to a science.

      1. Bill P October 10, 2016

        List 10 of them. You can’t so you just make general statements without offering any provable facts. Drumpf is the one who has lied so many times that it would take an encyclopedia to hold them. Here are a few:

        Trump has blasted U.S. District Court Judge Gonzalo Curiel for having an “inherent conflict of interest” in the Trump University fraud case because of his Mexican heritage and Trump’s plan to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. In particular, Trump points to Curiel’s use of a procedural move — a summary judgment — as evidence. But it is clear that Curiel made a straightforward legal judgment as to whether two sides agreed or disagreed on facts, and whether those should be presented to a jury. Under the law, he had little choice in his ruling. Trump also overlooks that Curiel, in his November 2015 ruling, did grant him partial summary judgment.

        One of the most damaging attacks on Trump has been a Hillary Clinton ad that highlights his mocking of a disabled reporter who writes for The New York Times. Trump revisited the incident in a campaign rally, adamantly denying this was the case. But in a detailed examination of his claims, we showed that much of what Trump says about the issue is Four-Pinocchios false. He clearly was mocking the reporter.

        Trump is citing a figure from the Bureau of Labor Statistics concerning Americans who are “not in labor force.” But the BLS data shows 93 percent of these people do not want a job at all. The picture that emerges from a study of the data is that the number consists mostly of people who are retired, students, parents or disabled. Only about six percent said they wanted a job, though most had not looked for one in a year; less than one percent said they were discouraged about their job prospects.

        That the NFL sent him a letter stating that it wanted the debate changed from the nights there were NFL games on TV.
        Trump claiming he didn’t know Putin about a year after he stated in a video that he spoke directly Putin.
        I could go on and on .

        1. itsfun October 10, 2016

          Just do a simple search, you will find pages and pages of her lies. What does what Trump does or doesn’t do have to do with the continuous lying of Hillary?

          1. Independent1 October 10, 2016

            Sure. GOP fabricated lies from right-wing biased website after right-wing biased website!! With not one of them to provide evidence substantiating their lies!!!!!! (And I’m talking about lies other than lies or falsehoods that virtually every politician tells which simply embellishes some story to improve their PR. I’m talking about lies like: “Saddam was involved in 9/11”. and “Iraq has WMDs” and “Iraq is looking to buy uranium”. and on and on. Lies that have actually caused some damage to America and its people – like resulting in thousands of Americans being killed and allowing a Great Recession to occur. Or starting meaningless wars – one that shouldn’t have happened if Bush and Cheney hadn’t lied to themselves and refused to let the CIA try to stop the 9/11 attack.)

  2. Aware October 10, 2016

    Too many sleazy questions asked by the moderators, instead of sticking with the issues. Even though it was 3 against 1, Trump won hands down.

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    1. Gerry Francis October 10, 2016

      Sleazy questions were ask of both of them, or didn’t you notice?

    2. Independent1 October 10, 2016

      Well, given that a CNN poll showed 57% think Clinton won and only 34% think Trump won, I say your post is pure nonsense.

      The Washington Post actually said it best. See these telling comments from WaPo:

      A new low, even for Donald Trump

      Mark the moment. A major-party presidential nominee is officially promising to lock up his political opponent, despite the fact that an impartial federal investigation concluded that no fair prosecutor would have charged Ms. Clinton in the matter of her emails. If anyone needed any more proof that Mr. Trump does not understand the meaning of rule of law as opposed to arbitrary rule of autocrat — that he would use the levers of the federal government in a vindictive, self-serving and corrupt manner — Mr. Trump provided it.

      But the overwhelming impression was that Mr. Trump, with his campaign
      sinking and Republican office holders urging him to withdraw, decided that his best response was to snarl and double down on old falsehoods. Coming out of a disastrous first presidential debate, an even more disastrous aftermath and the release of a video in which he made disgusting comments about women, Mr. Trump dismissed his boasting of sexually predatory behavior as “locker room talk.” When that did not work, he dredged up accusations in Bill Clinton’s sordid past. It was a desperate and ineffective counterpunch.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-trump-doubles-down-during-the-second-debate/2016/10/09/dc91f470-8e92-11e6-9c52-0b10449e33c4_story.html?utm_term=.eaf429f9db8c&wpisrc=nl_opinions&wpmm=1

      1. Ray Slayton October 10, 2016

        No, the Clinton News Network poll is nonsense.

        1. Jinmichigan October 10, 2016

          Blaming the polls? A sure sign of a loser.

        2. yabbed October 10, 2016

          Denial is not a good friend. You’re gonna crash on Nov 8.

    3. Independent1 October 10, 2016

      Those who think Donald Trump won last night’s debate are as unAmerican as it gets; and should pack up and move to Russia where its leader is essentially a dictator and has been known to eliminate people who outwardly show disagreement with the way he wants to run his dictatorship. Given that appears to be the way you would like to see Trump run America – please pack up and move to Russia and don’t let the door hit you on the way out!!!

      1. Ray Slayton October 10, 2016

        As a veteran I think Hillary would be great for Russia, then she can let them hack more classified emails, make sure you vote for her dumbass.

        1. Independent1 October 10, 2016

          What a load of garbage!! Were are you getting that total nonsense?? Just because Hillary used a private server WHICH WAS NEVER HACKED?? While the State Department’s computers were hacked numerous times by the Russians and others while she was Secretary of State??

          And Hillary DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG USING A PRIVATE SERVER!! There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Hillary handled any information that was correctly marked classified while she used her private server and there were no official requirements that she not use one. And In fact, government people who are politically active HAVE TO USE A PRIVATE SERVER FOR ANY EMAILS THAT ARE RELATED TO THEIR POLITICAL ACTIVITY – BY LAW!!

          And are you even aware that over 80 people working in the Bush White House, people like Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice, Powell and numerous others used the RNC’s PRIVATE SERVER for more than 80% of the work they did while doing their supposed government work???

          And that it was Colin Powell who actually recommended that Hillary use a private server???

          And that there are still more than 22 million emails missing from the Bush Administration’s use of those RNC’s PRIVATE SERVERS???

          When are you right-wing nutcases going to grow up and wake up to the lies and fabrications of the GOP and Faux News??????

        2. itsfun October 10, 2016

          Don’t you just love the way people try to defend the criminal Hillary by talking about what other people have done?

          1. charleo1 October 10, 2016

            Don’t you just love the way we can now stick the label criminal on anyone without evidence, indictment, trial, or conviction? Isn’t it great, this new Trump system of justice? Where if he’s elected the chief law enforcement officer, we can all be assumed to be guilty by default, and convicted in the courts of propagandized opinion, by accusation, innuendo, or slur in some nameless internet rag. So what have others done you don’t like, you would convict, and jail on hearsay?

          2. itsfun October 10, 2016

            Having classified email documents on a unsecured server and lying about that to congress is a crime. Their is no hearsay in that. She is a proven liar and also has proven to be above the law. Secret meetings with her husband and the AG the day before the FBI report was given. Why did her employees need immunity, why did they use the 5th to not answer questions even after given immunity? Deleting 33000 emails after getting a subpoena That’s not hearsay, that’s evidence of corruption.

          3. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

            itsfun to live in a glass house isn’t it?
            Stop w/the BS on the emails – this is old news and unfounded – how many republican led investigations were there and what did they find? Nothing. No wrong doing. Nada. Let it go.
            You’re not going to win this argument…

          4. itsfun October 10, 2016

            I won’t stop anything. She lied about the emails, and the FBI did find confidential, secret, and top secret documents. The director said this in a speech to the whole nation. You just refuse to accept or just ignore what you don’t like. There was wrong doing. He just said she didn’t intend to break the law, but she did break the law. She belongs in prison, but is above the law.

          5. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

            You really are starting to annoy – drop it w/the emails. You aren’t going to win this argument. No one of importance is focusing on this anymore. It’s done. And Agent Orange is done.
            Just because the outcome was not to your liking doesn’t mean she belongs in jail. If she was guilty she’d be in jail but she isn’t guilty so she won’t be. The End.

          6. itsfun October 10, 2016

            Like I said I won’t stop anything. If Trump gets elected you will see a special prosecutor focused on the emails. The little airport meeting with Billy and Lynch guaranteed she wouldn’t be prosecuted for anything. I wonder what Bill promised Lynch if Hillary gets elected?

          7. charleo1 October 10, 2016

            Contrary to popular misinformation which leads to the supposedly slam dunk case, The server Clinton used was not unsecured. In fact, after extensive forensic cyber investigation by the FBI, and others, it not been proven it was ever hacked. There’s your innuendo. The FBI
            concluded that in fact there were (3) pieces of correspondence sent to Clinton that were marked with the lowest security classification of “confidential,” designated with a small (c) halfway down the paragraph. And no intent to defraud, transmit secrets, trade favors,
            you name it, was ever shown to be the case in the tens of thousands of e-mails inspected. In case you believe the public, or some hack committee in Congress has rights to a person’s private correspondence, minus probably cause of a crime, see U.S. Constitution. Amendment # 4. For further clarification.

          8. itsfun October 10, 2016

            The director of the FBI said they found secret and top secret documents, not just confidential. Are you saying Hillary as SOS didn’t even know what the small (c) meant? Her correspondence was not private. All of a public officials documents are public property not private until proper government officials say it is private. The Government decides what should be private or public, not the official. She made this decision on her own which is against the law. She didn’t have the right to decide that.

          9. charleo1 October 10, 2016

            Who says she didn’t? Is it just possible since all this is pure speculation, as there is no evidence of intent, or ulterior motive to expose sensitive information. That SOS Clinton simply could have overlooked the assessed classification. I think if you will check Director Comey’s report, there were no top secret documents involved. I know the Right likes to inject these lose non facts to puff the story. But it really is done, over, kaput. Trump will not become President, and Hillary Clinton will not be sent to a Siberian Gulag for ineptly handling of her electronic correspondence. End of case.
            And BTW. Do you have any idea who these “proper government officials” are, who would have the extra Constitutional power to decide what among a person’s private papers, sent on a private server, and many deleted, as was her prerogative, since no specific files were ever subpoenaed. I admit it is problematic. But without a stated crime outside of the documents themselves, where is that dark crime being hidden? This was the conclusion of the FBI.

          10. itsfun October 10, 2016

            The department of justice is charged with the responsibility of determining if a document is public or private. Do you really think that all of the 33000 documents Hillary after getting a subpoena were about yoga, and her daughters wedding? Why would innocent people even after given immunity still use the 5th to avoid answering questions? Why would Hillary lie about getting a subpoena to Congress? To many questions, to many unanswered questions to just drop this issue.

          11. charleo1 October 11, 2016

            To your first question. These staffers know the investigation is rife with political motivation, and it is them and their former boss, HC. who happens to be running for President that are the targets. That any conviction, for even a minor infraction, would serve to smear HC. and so suit that agenda. Your number of email determined by the State Dept. as being private business is way too high as I recall.
            But nonetheless, to a larger point, the polls show a very large group of Americans do not like either candidate. And I think we need to examine why it is, that perhaps our best and brightest are staying away from any public service. And in looking for answers. we need look no further than the endless train of politically motivated witch hunts carried out by opposing Parties in Congress over the past 20 years. They not only delve into person’s public activities, but also make their private lives, and their families private lives open to the kind of politics of personal destruction that literally never ends. And I’m sure some very successful, smart, and inventive persons would like to serve this Country they very much love. But decide the price of doing so, and the risks involved to themselves, their careers, and families are just too high. They might make a mistake, or seem to have, and their lives are never the same. And given our politics, and public discourse, and the complete lack of accountability to anyone, for claiming anything, I can’t blame them.
            Now I know you think Trump is the answer. Which is your call. But to me, the emails some 55,000 having been investigated, with no serious intentional malfeasance found. No nefarious plot to puff up. Are but literally a tempest in tea pot in comparison to the harm a far too inexperienced, and far too egoist Trump to know what he doesn’t know, and how that inexperience could bring harm to our Country.
            The fact in as much as you very much like Mr. Trump. He is by everything I’ve witnessed, politics aside, woefully incapable temperamentally, and frighteningly unprepared by the most basic of tests to risk trusting him with the job. Because of emails, being angry at the political class, angry at Obama, and wanting change, or for any reason. Donald Trump is quite simply not at all the man we’re looking for.

          12. itsfun October 11, 2016

            Hi Charlie: First I don’t like Trump much more than I like Hillary. Second: As much as both of them are hated by the other party, I have to wonder how much it will mean to us. The far left and far right are not going to give in one little bit. I think overall we are more of a moderate country than anything else. I think Hillary has shifted to the far left to get the Bernie folks on board. I don’t believe Trump is a far right person. He used to be a Democrat and he couldn’t have changed that much. I would not have been surprised if he had ran for the Democratic nomination. Trump has done some and said some stupid things. I don’t pay a lot of attention to what he said 20 years ago though. People change and grow in that amount of time.
            Neither of these two people have the trust of Americans and both are proven liars. I do feel the lies of Hillary have hurt people and some have died because of her. The emails released today show how she ignored the threat of ISIS and who is funding them. This may be the reason some were beheaded. She didn’t report what she said to be true in her emails. I want to be able to believe what my President says, and there is no way I can believe anything Hillary says. I agree that Trump doesn’t have experience, that is where I believe because of his business experience, he will hire the best and listen to them. I have no use for either of them, but we are going to be stuck with one of them. Probably doesn’t matter though because neither will have the corporation of Congress. The witch hunts are never going to stop. The media has so much access now and people love to read and hear about scandals. There are so many media people following people closely and some making up stories or just sticking their own personal views in articles as facts, its almost impossible what is true. I think the election will be close though. A lot of people who don’t want to be ridiculed by the left are going to vote for Trump. There will probably be questions about “rigged” results and fraud. Could be a real mess.

          13. JPHALL October 10, 2016

            That is not what the Director of the FBI said under oath to Congress.

          14. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

            So let me understand this – you’d rather not back a liar but you ARE supporting a LYING (on a daily basis mind you) misogynist, uneducated on foreign policy and trade agreements, and tax dodging fellow?
            WOW! I wanna live in your glass, unicorn and bubbles house!

          15. itsfun October 10, 2016

            She is more than a liar. Look at the Americans murdered in Benghazi because of her incompetence. Check out the arms deals in Syria. She won’t secure our borders. She refuses to deal with terrorists. If you think what happened on 9/11 is bad, if she gets elected 9/11 will look like a small thing.

          16. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

            Don’t you just love the way people try to slander someone that hasn’t been found of any wrong doing? I mean how many Republican led investigations were there?? And what did they find?? NOTHING! NADA! ZILCH!
            Ahhh but those are more facts for ya!

          17. itsfun October 10, 2016

            The FBI found classified documents on her unsecured private server. That is a crime.

          18. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

            By your assessment of a “crime” then all of Washington and Trump should be held accountable for their “crimes”. You can’t have it one way – if it’s good for the goose it’s gotta be good for the gander – even if the gander is a woman.
            Go ahead – try it on – Madam President…

          19. itsfun October 10, 2016

            It is a crime to allow classified national documents to be compromised by not securing them. That is what she did.

          20. Independent1 October 10, 2016

            And Hillary did not have one email on her servers appropriately marked classified!! NOT ONE!!!

          21. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

            If that’s such a horrific crime – then why isn’t anyone prosecuting your version of this crime??
            Oh is it because several high ranking government officials would be in jail beside HRC?
            So let me get this straight – in order to take out HRC you’d have to jail ALL of congress past and present – not to mention past presidents? I see – again – it’s ok for everyone else but not HRC. Here we go again w/the double standards – it’s ok for men but not for women and especially not for HRC!
            My what a broad brush you use to paint your world my friend!

          22. itsfun October 10, 2016

            It is a horrific crime. What happened to the General that let a writer see confidential documents? Anyone that has compromised our national security belongs in prison. I don’t care if it happened yesterday, last year, was a man or a woman, democrat or republican. Its not okay for anyone. A man is the only one that has been held accountable so far. Must be a double standard in favor of the women then.

          23. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

            Agree – IF SHE HAD compromised our national security don’t you think someone with a bigger title than what you and I have would have done something about it?
            They don’t have evidence that she did anything wrong and therefore was found NOT GUILTY. Let it go. Let it go…

          24. itsfun October 10, 2016

            nope; she has proven she is above the law. What do you think Lynch was promised with her meeting at the airport with Billy Boy? She did do something wrong and the Director of the FBI said she did. He said he didn’t think she intended to break the law so he wouldn’t recommend prosecution. He has disgraced the FBI. I wonder what his numbered bank account looks like now. A new defense for law breaking has now been made. Defense attorneys will just say their clients didn’t intend to break the laws. If they are prosecuted when they didn’t intend to break the law, it will prove there is a double standard. The government has pulled the blindfold off lady justice.

          25. Independent1 October 10, 2016

            From ex CIA Director Morell, via Newsmax:

            He also defended Clinton’s misuse of classified information in her use of a private email server while secretary of state, saying “when she saw those e-mails, she did not see classification markings.”

            “So when she says there wasn’t classified information, that’s what she means,” he said. “It wasn’t marked. And the two that were marked with little ‘c’s,’ she doesn’t remember. So she’s not trying to mislead anybody.”

            Breaking News at Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Benghazi-Hillary-Clinton-Morell/2016/08/07/id/742478/#ixzz4MhLVpacn

            And ‘little ‘c’s ARE NOT the appropriate marking for a classified document!!!!!!

          26. Independent1 October 10, 2016

            Liars are worthless! And you’re one of the champion liars!!! Even God says so!!!

          27. Independent1 October 10, 2016

            A flat out lie!! There was NOT ONE email found on her server that was appropriately marked classified!! NOT ONE!!!!!!

        3. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

          Do you hate women Ray? Reading your posts I think you do. How else could a veteran support such a tax dodging, morally and financially bankrupt misogynist?

        4. Jan123456 October 10, 2016

          What, in your military experience, leads you to believe she would be great for Russia? It’s already been established that HER server was not hacked although State’s was.

      2. Aware October 12, 2016

        How DARE you to tell me to leave the land that belongs to my forefathers. As a descendant of the native Americans by way of my grandmother, this is our land. The problem with this country is people like you who possess the migrated history and say any thing out their mouth. I will comment and go to any site I damn well please to observe the pulse of America. NOW, you leave!

        1. Independent1 October 12, 2016

          You’re quite a comedian. You’re as much a descendant of the native Americans as I’m an alien from Mars. No true native American would support America’s biggest racist who thinks that only people of white European descent are qualified to live in America. Keep up with the laughs!!! We appreciate you comedians coming here once in a while.

          1. Aware October 12, 2016

            Your ignorance is showing. Learn the real history. I can support whatever candidate I want. The little I know of you on this site, you are not worth debating and I don’t have a lifetime to teach you the real american history. Read A Book! BTW, go back to Mars.

          2. Independent1 October 12, 2016

            Real American history about what?? How you rednecks infiltrated America from countries in Europe and have somehow gotten the stupid idea that somehow you’re true Americans. When you wackos don’t have a clue as to what a true American is?? All you dimwits want to do is take America back 80-100 years and undo all the advancements America has made socio-economics wise during that time.

            Like I said, we needed a comedian on this site and you sure haven’t disappointed with just more of you worthless blather which ends up with you proving absolutely nothing!!!

    4. Mama Bear October 10, 2016

      another paid troll. And I think your use of the phrase “hands down” is quite telling.

    5. Ray Slayton October 10, 2016

      That’s right!

      1. Independent1 October 10, 2016

        Hey! When you’re the world’s worst sleaze, sleazy questions are par for the course!!!!!

    6. yabbed October 10, 2016

      Dream on. Voters gave the win to Hillary 57% to 34% with 67% of women going for Hillary.

    7. charleo1 October 10, 2016

      The overwhelming number of online questions involved Trump’s vile rant. The one that Speaker Paul Ryan called “the elephant in the room.” That his own running mate Pence, denounced. That elicited numerous calls from his own Party for him to step aside even at this late date. And the questions were supposed to be about the sermon on the mount? Come on!

  3. Eleanore Whitaker October 10, 2016

    Trump really, really blew it last night. He asked Hillary why, if he donated $100 million of his own money to his campaign, she didn’t do the same.

    You know what that implies? That implies that Trump is buying the presidency. First the Koch boys donated $995 million and now Trump admits that he donated $100 million.

    But what is even worse than this is the fact that he practically admitted that was the deal between him and the RNC to allow him to run at all. No $100 million? No chance to run!

    Trump didn’t win the debate. All he did was refuse to answer questions put to him directly. The moderators 3 times had to remind him his time was up and he ignored them. Then, when he was asked about his taxes, he evaded the entire question by saying “I pay taxes.” Which would that be? VAT? since he does business in foreign countries like China and elsewhere and lied and said in the debate he owns NO foreign businesses? OH no? Then why is his hotel in Saudi Arabia closing now that his name is mud? There are Trump hotels all around the globe. He doesn’t own them. He gets paid to put his name on them as Tim O’Brien of Bloomberg News and Mark Fischer previously stated in an interview.

    How do we know he pays taxes if he refuses to disclose them? All any woman saw last night was a man with the posturing of Mussolini, the pout of a 2 year old child and a mouth that lied so often, he tripped over his own lying tongue.

    But the part I love is how he implied that Hillary ALL BY HERSELF is responsible for Iraq, the Great Recession and anything else the Man Playing “Blame the Woman” games could fabricate. All he proved to all women is that he is alligator food.

    Reply
    1. Mama Bear October 10, 2016

      if you recall in the first debate Hillary’s comment “I have a feeling you are going to blame me for everything” and she was right. That is the way a NPD person operates. Deflect, never admit a mistake, and attack.

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    2. Ray Slayton October 10, 2016

      You’re an idiot!!!

      1. zorro037 October 10, 2016

        That’s what I would call an intellectual and reasoned answer, just one snap.

      2. AgLander October 10, 2016

        Be careful what you say to Eleanore. She hates men. Hasn’t had one around for 37 years. She’s bitter. She’ll take it out on you if you’re not careful!

      3. A_Real_Einstein October 10, 2016

        You nominated Bozo the Clown. Who is the idiot? This election is already over. You better focus on the House. The Senate is gone too. See ya!

        1. RED October 10, 2016

          Amen!! Practice saying “Madam President.” Frigging morons. But sadly Cons are a lot like roach infestations, just as disgusting, hard to get rid of, and very damaging to property values

      4. Jinmichigan October 10, 2016

        Must you show so clearly why trump loves you?

        1. charleo1 October 10, 2016

          He’s just sore because you’re talking about his pretend Daddy Trump. That’s going to solve all his little problems, give him this great job with lots of benefits, and be a nasty SOB to all those minorities he thinks of as mud races, and believes are taking his job, voting themselves welfare benefits, and raping White women.
          The truth is he’s a loser, and he’d rather believe lying Trump than face any real truth about himself. I’d suggest giving him the message that Trump will hear from the entire Country next month: Screw You!

      5. CrankyToo October 10, 2016

        You’ve got no business calling anyone else an idiot.

        1. AgLander October 10, 2016

          And you’ve got no business, period.

          1. iamproteus October 10, 2016

            Weak, Ag…..really lame. You get no credit for that one. You’re going to have to do much better than that if you expect to get paid this week.

      6. Independent1 October 10, 2016

        If you’re still supporting Trump after he’s proven time and time again over the past week that he’s totally unfit to get anywhere near the Oval Office – you’re beyond being an idiot – you drastically need mental help!!!

    3. yabbed October 10, 2016

      Of course we all know Trump didn’t put $100 mil of his own money in his campaign. No bank will lend him $100 mil and the Chinese government and Putin’s oligarchs are worried about the hundreds of millions they have loaned him. :0

      1. Independent1 October 10, 2016

        A lot of that money he poured into his campaign came illegaly from the Trump Foundation.

        From McClatchy.com:

        Trump used charity dollars for presidential campaign, report says

        http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article105849807.html

        1. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

          Oh more facts – I LOVE IT – but again – Trump supporters don’t like facts!
          Did you know that if Trump had put the money his dad GAVE him in the bank he’d be richer than he is now? But of course we don’t know exactly how “rich” he is because he won’t release his tax returns.
          Now isn’t that just “rich”?

  4. Ray Slayton October 10, 2016

    Of course CNN, the Clinton News Network would say she would the debate. CNN has been in the Clinton tank since day one. Only an imbecile wouldn’t know that.

    Reply
    1. FT66 October 10, 2016

      Did you accept the polls by CNN during VP debate when Pence emerged as a winner? Is CNN in tank of Pence?

    2. The lucky one October 10, 2016

      That explains why you “know” it. Only an imbecile would support Trump. When Clinton is elected you can blame the GOP for running such a pathetically unqualified and boorish candidate.

    3. Jinmichigan October 10, 2016

      I see this is a brand new account. Seems to be a lot of them this morning.

    4. Independent1 October 10, 2016

      All you right-wing losers know how to do is deflect reality – never admit when you’re wrong!!!!

    5. charleo1 October 10, 2016

      Slurring the messenger is not a winning strategy. Although you’re welcome to find any website that will advance any theory you like.

    6. yabbed October 10, 2016

      CNN didn’t make the determination of who won the debate. The voters in the audience did and they said Hillary Clinton won 57% to 34%. Of women, 67% said Clinton won. It’s over for Deplorable Donald.

  5. Ray Slayton October 10, 2016

    I DIDN’T THIS WAS A “HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT” WEBSITE. WHAT A JOKE!!!!!

    Reply
    1. Jinmichigan October 10, 2016

      An entire sentence is too much to ask?

    2. Independent1 October 10, 2016

      It’s a blog site for people who have an ounce of common sense and can see
      that Donald Trump is nothing more than a disaster waiting to happen!!! All you have to do is look at the fact that all Donald Trump has done during his entire life is be a loser – virtually every major business adventure that Trump has started has ended up becoming on the verge of bankruptcy with Donald having to be bailed out of one failure after another BY DADDY!!!

      From Newsweek:

      Donald Trump’s Many Business Failures, Explained

      Dependent on Daddy

      Trump boasted when he announced his candidacy last year that he had made his money “the old-fashioned way,” but he is no Bill Gates or Michael Bloomberg, self-made billionaires who were mavericks, innovators in their fields. Instead, the Republican nominee’s wealth is Daddy-made. Almost all of his best-known successes are attributable to family ties or money given to him by his father.

      Despite the outward signs of success, Trump’s personal finances were a
      disaster. In 1978, the year his father set up that sweet credit line at Chase, Donald’s tax returns showed personal losses of $406,386—$1.5 million in present-day dollars. Things grew worse in 1979, when he reported an income of negative $3.4 million, $11.2 million in constant dollars. All of this traced back to big losses in three real estate partnerships and interest he owed Chase. With Trump sucking wind and rapidly drawing down his line of credit, he turned again to Daddy, who in 1980 agreed to lend him $7.5 million.

      For much more on Donnie’s personal failures go here (if he failed so miserably in his private dealings – guess what would happen if he ended up being president):

      http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html
      All of these names and numbers can grow confusing for voters with little exposure to the business world. So to sum it all up, Trump is rich because he was born rich—and without his father repeatedly bailing him out, he would have likely filed for personal bankruptcy before he was 35.

      1. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

        Great factual post! But facts are lost on his supporters…

        1. AgLander October 10, 2016

          “Great factual post!”

          Correction…you simply experienced “confirmation bias” to your myopic and dangerously distorted view of the world!

          1. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

            Really AgLander – my “myopic and dangerously distorted view of the world?”
            When was the last time you were outside of your house and not hiding behind your keyboard? Do you not see what’s going on around you? And you still think Trump is the answer? Talk about a “dangerously distorted view of the world!”
            Just say’n…

          2. RED October 10, 2016

            Sadly being a Con is a sickness, a disease that damages the brain. So no, sick Cons will never recognize reality. When they don’t win a majority in an election, they will claim cheating and that votes were purchased, and “really “those people” shouldn’t be voting anyway.” And when you confront them with facts and evidence all your sources will be called biased because to sick Cons unless it’s from their Con entertainment network it’ all biased. And even then when their Con propaganda experts display a momentary lapse of reality the sick Cons then turn on them as a traitor. It’s absolutely like being a member of a cult, no one has truth but the cult leaders and just like a cult they aren’t capable of seeing the damage they call to themselves and others. The only difference is some cult members can be deprogrammed and rescued but for the sick Cons there is little hope.

        2. Jim Samaras October 10, 2016

          Oh! It’s in Newsweek so it must be factual. It could never be a fellow morons opinion and let’s not look at it from another standpoint….a business standpoint which is what this country is lacking due to people like Hillary who have never accomplished a thing except convincing over educated morons like you to vote for her.

          1. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

            On the contrary – I pull my research from factual resources – to be clear – none of which are Fox or Rush Slimball.
            Get real. Trump is a vile pig and shouldn’t be running for the presidency of our country.
            You loons would loose your collective minds if HRC had actually done one quarter of what Agent Orange has done and yet you still support him. Why? Are you a misogynist, bigot like him? Ask yourself – would you leave your wife, daughter or sister in locked a room with him? I wouldn’t – he’s an animal – a predator – a liar – a cheat – a morally & financially bankrupt – sue happy moron. And apparently the “best” the RNC has. Good luck with that.

    3. CrankyToo October 10, 2016

      The joke’s on you (and his name is Donald Trump).

    4. itsfun October 10, 2016

      The progressive big 7:
      1.call people racist,
      2.call them a bigot,
      3. call them a hater,
      4. call them a sexist
      5. lie your way out of it and say the other guy lied,
      6. call names like moron, idiot, etc.
      7. and the good ole blame George Bush for all of your failures.

      1. CrankyToo October 10, 2016

        The conservative big 1:

        If the shoe fits, hit someone over the head with it.

      2. AgLander October 10, 2016

        The sad truth about liberalism is that it is nothing more than an ideology of empty words meant to make elites feel better about themselves and their isolated elitist lives without requiring any significant action; such as actually improving the lives of others other than themselves and their other elitist friends.

        1. itsfun October 10, 2016

          sad but true,

        2. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

          OK thanks Stormfront guy.

      3. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

        It’s terrible how racists get called out just for being racist!

        1. itsfun October 10, 2016

          its even worse when people are called those names because they are winning their arguments. So the game plan for the left is to call one of those names just to try and hurt someone and change the subject.

          1. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

            It’s jaw-dropping that you think that any of that applies to you. If you would prefer not to be called racist, I suggest perhaps not supporting a racist candidate and saying racist things. Just a thought!

            I hope that helps!

          2. itsfun October 10, 2016

            It doesn’t matter to me what you call me. Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. I just consider the source and in this case the source is irrelevant

          3. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

            OK sorry you cannot grasp that hand-waving away your racism won’t actually work.

          4. itsfun October 10, 2016

            If anyone is a racist here its YOU.

          5. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

            “You’re the REAL racist” – a tactic that, bafflingly, continues to be used by bigots despite never having worked.

          6. itsfun October 10, 2016

            Like I said the only thing you have is lying and calling names.

          7. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

            Can you point out what lies I’ve told? That’s a weird accusation, especially since you do very little but that. Also unlike you, I haven’t called anyone names – but then you’re an appalling hypocrite, so still not a surprise.

  6. yabbed October 10, 2016

    And Putin wants his money back from Trump before he enters bankruptcy yet again. 🙂

    Reply
  7. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

    The fact that any TRUE AMERICAN would continue to support Trump is beyond me. And for any WOMEN to continue to support him is just baffling. Would you want your wife, daughter or any female you know subjected to his deplorable behavior? I mean really – would you let your daughter be in the same room with this beast? He’s barbaric and let’s be real – we ALL know that if he didn’t have some wealth – no sane or conscious women would even notice him. He’s vile and disgusting – period.
    The GOP is abandoning him, anyone with half a brain is abandoning him – wake up people – we DO NOT WANT NOR NEED TRUMP IN OR ANYWHERE NEAR THE WHITE HOUSE!!!
    The tax dodging Trump has done in itself should raise flags – I get he knows how to “master” the tax laws but he’s made a lot of money here and hasn’t supported this great country in the least and thinks he’s “smart” for doing so. So does that make the rest of us “stupid” for paying our share and supporting this great nation? Ugh – he’s disgusting on so many levels.
    Since Trump can’t give a straight answer on – well anything – let me try my hand at the GOP art of mastering deflection –
    Now don’t even get me started on the emails – why aren’t Bush/Cheney being investigated about the over 2 MILLION+ emails lost by the RNC servers right around the time we invaded Iraq? Oh but let’s not address that – I’m sure those men had their reasons for deleting 2 million plus emails.
    And if you’re touting Benghazi – why aren’t Bush/Cheney on trial for the 60+ American lives lost in embassy bombings under that horrid administration? Again, let’s not look as what the men have done – let’s blame Hillary.
    Mind you it was the Bush/Cheney GOP administration that clearly led us down the recession rabbit hole for their own special interests. Again, let’s not address what these men have done with our country – let’s blame Hillary.
    Hillary Clinton, like most women, is being held to a standard that is well above what any man has been held to past or present and that’s the true crime here – it’s really ridiculous the double standards playing out here.
    It’s time for our country to put to action what our constitution states – EQUAL for ALL – and stop this grand standing and barbaric double standards. It’s deplorable.
    I’m with HER because these men continue to rape, pillage and plunder and guess what – it’s all “locker room talk” so that makes it ok? I don’t think so!
    Please get out and vote and let’s take back OUR country from these little rich and mostly white boys that think our country and it’s people are something to gamble with!
    God Bless America and ALL its AMERICANS!

    Reply
    1. Independent1 October 10, 2016

      Great post! Thanks for telling it like it is.

      1. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

        Thanks Independent – you’re doing your fair share of posting facts as well! Time to push back on these morons who continue to ramble about w/there lies and scare tactics!

        Time to start practicing – Madam President!

        If I’m being honest – its better than saying Agent Orange! HA!

        1. Princessz Mcglashen October 10, 2016

          YOU ARE AN IDIOT~! IF VOTING FOR A PERSON JUST BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK DID NOT PROVE ANYTHING TO YOU. MAYBE VOTING FOR A PERSON BECAUSE THEY HAVE A VAGINA WILL DEMONSTRATE YOUR IGNORANCE

          1. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

            You’re horrible. Really. Let me put my caps lock on…
            YOU NEED TO EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THIS ELECTION. MAYBE EDUCATE YOURSELF ON LIFE WHILE YOU ARE AT IT.

          2. Paul Bass October 10, 2016

            Cap Lock, the last refuge of the loser. Thanks, we already knew that.

          3. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

            OK thanks for the sexist and racist assumptions. It’s always great when people demonstrate that they’re gross losers.

    2. Princessz Mcglashen October 10, 2016

      You are not “telling it like it is at all! Many business people use the tax deferrment law,it is quite legal. It is NOT tax evasion. Go do some checking before you make such ludicrous remarks.If you dont like the law, work to change it instead of harrassing those that use it.But then, you probably dont know anyone else that has used it.Do you? What the hell are you bringing Bush and Cheny into this for? What has happened has happened, we want that crap not to happen again,this is the day to change, not to ride with the butcher of Benghazi and the power hungry, vulgar old woman that seeks to turn this nation into a one world order and a third world nation,.She lies and lies and some people fall for it.She smiles and grins and that makes it all ok, huh? She deflects continually, never responding to any allegations. But “what difference does it make” after all. Wake up and stop with the moronic liberal and dangerous d support of a person that wants nothing but to raise her poweer and destroy America!

      1. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

        Ok – yes its the law but a law that us common folks don’t get to abuse. But the elite rich a##hats like Trump do? Why don’t you go talk to the folks that have been left holding Trumps unpaid bills? You can’t because he’s sued them into silence. How’s that for “fair”.
        And even if he didn’t abuse the system – his tax dodging is only ONE OF MANY faults this idiot has. And yet you still support him.
        YOU need to do some fact checking and really look into the Clinton Foundation and then get back w/me. You’re an idiot for thinking HRC as a public servant hasn’t had a positive impact on society unlike agent orange. Go run and fact check – go now go!
        Oh and me bringing up Bush/Cheney is because you autocrats bring up her past – don’t deny it – look at your posts. Reaching way back you are.
        Oh and Trump doesn’t lie? Hahahahahahahahaha! Every day the news lights up with him lying. He’s on tape, on video and tomorrow will state he never said this and that. Get a grip Princessz!
        I’m not a moronic liberal – I’m quite educated as a matter of fact and have known many a rich bastard that has treated women with such disdain as Trump and dodged taxes as Trump. AND I’M OVER IT!
        Trump will destroy America as we know it – a collective human society rich with values and morals.
        He is lacking morals, tact, un-educated, vile and would make a terrible president! Wake up!

  8. itsfun October 10, 2016

    As in most political debates, each side says they won and the Trump supporters say Trump won and the Hillary supporters say Hillary won. The undecided and independent voters will make the difference in who won.

    Reply
    1. Bill P October 10, 2016

      You previously claimed you would vote for the lesser of 2 evils but you only write negative comments about Hillary and nothing about Drumpf. He lies most of the time and even when he doesn’t need to. He is a walking sound bite and offers nothing in the way of policies or plans for what he would do if president.

      1. itsfun October 10, 2016

        I will vote for the lesser of 2 evils. Hillary putting national security at risk with her unsecured email server makes her very evil. Hillary is a proven liar and you want to ignore that.

        1. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

          Lesser of two evils and you still go with Trump.
          Let’s check the score card – he’s in bed w/Putin – which is extremely dangerous – since you’re sighting national security as a concern – (oh BTW – her server didn’t get hacked but that’s more facts for ya) – he’s dodged paying taxes and left others holding the debt and that makes him “smart”, he’s not releasing his taxes, he’s done business in Cuba when it was AGAINST THE LAW to do so, he’s a misogynist, he’s gone after a gold star family, I could go on but we all know the facts and yet you still ignore them and think Agent Orange is the better pick… Oy vey!

          1. Princessz Mcglashen October 10, 2016

            YOU are a moron!!!! Trump did not dodge paying taxes! The law is on his side with his actions, and if you dont like that do something to change the law instead of blaming ALL those that use that law. OY VEy to you! This woman Hillary has never accomplished a damn thing for this country! She was tossed off watergate hearings for unethical behavior and is till unethical! She has abused women.has a pay to play agenda with our enemies and is a chronic liar! Show me your FACT where her server didnt get hacked. I want to see the proof you have that didnt happen when no one can be sure. How did Russia get Hillarys private emails then?Or do you think they are lying? Hillary said we are in debt because Trump did not pay his taxes? LMAO thatis the stupidest hing I ever heard.Have you checke her taxes? Her foundation that is really a money laundering scheme? How did she and Bill go from being so flat broke they had to steal from the white house to being extremely, lavishly wealthy? A very famous person said the only way a government employee can become wealthy is to cheat and steal from the people. YOU need to wake the hell up and stop being such a lemming liberal. The only accomplishment Hillary has had so far, is staying out of prison.

          2. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

            P.S. She’s published her tax returns and has paid her way for decades. Something agent orange can not say. Go do some fact checking Princessz and get back with me. Go and run along!

          3. Jim Samaras October 10, 2016

            You’re talking to moronic fools here Princess. They wouldn’t realize the truth if it grabbed them by the p****y. They’re the problem, all offended by a few off the cuff remarks that any man’s man utters from time to time when hanging “with the guys”. They don’t stop to think that in reality those comments have no merit in regard to the situation our nation is in and how he will run it. They are the politically correct nitwits that should never be paid attention to.

          4. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

            And these “off the cuff” remarks while w/the guys – really?!
            I know and hang out w/plenty of men that don’t act or speak like this but yet you still defend him. Ignorance has to be bliss!
            So – you’re ok with Trump speaking about your wife’s or daughters or sister’s or Mother’s private parts like they are his for the taking?? And if you are – I have to ask – do you practice this behavior? Grabbing whatever piece of a woman that comes your way? Seriously look at what you are condoning about this idiot…

          5. Jim Samaras October 10, 2016

            If you’re a woman they will not speak like that in front of you which is why it’s called locker room banter. Did you notice how he straightened up when meeting the woman in the video? Grow up!

            We’re not voting for America’s spiritual adviser. Last we checked, Trump has not suggested doing away with sexual assault laws. He hasn’t proposed National Groping Day. His personal feelings about women, whatever you may think of them – whatever they may actually be – are not going to play a major role in your life for the next four years.

            A liberal Supreme Court that takes all the teeth out of the Second Amendment – that will affect your life.

            The expansion of Obamacare into a public option system – that will affect your life.

            A reckless “war on carbon” – that will affect your life.

            A complete federal embrace of illegal immigration – that will affect your life.

            And on and on.

            Some things, once done, cannot be undone. And President Hillary Clinton will have the opportunity to do a few of those things if she gets into the White House. Some of them will change the course of this country in dramatic and unsettling ways.

            Don’t worry about voting for Trump.

            Vote against those changes.

          6. Sand_Cat October 10, 2016

            No, you’re voting for a self-worshipping, insecure, dishonest, sexist, racist, and all-around sleazy dirtbag. And you know what? It suits you perfectly.

          7. JPHALL October 10, 2016

            I have spent years in locker rooms as a player and coach. I have never heard a man admit to sexually molesting a woman. I have also worked with rapists, and the same is true.

          8. Jim Samaras October 10, 2016

            Why has no one stepped up to claim that he has? Because it hasn’t happened.

          9. JPHALL October 11, 2016

            All of a sudden you now need someone else to prove an accusation? You never need that for a Clinton.

          10. Sand_Cat October 10, 2016

            Didn’t sound like she was talking to you.

          11. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

            It’s great that you’re adopting the vile motto of your rapist candidate as a slogan – it really lets the world know EXACTLY what you are.

          12. Independent1 October 10, 2016

            Where did you learn to be such a moron?? Did you deliberately go to the school of the ignorant?? It sure looks like it!!!

          13. itsfun October 10, 2016

            Hillary allowed 4 Americans to be murdered in Benghazi. How many has Trump let be murdered. Saying you respect someone doesn’t put you in bed with them or anyone else. No one knows if her server did or did not get hacked. Hackers don’t always leave a calling card. Trump didn’t dodge paying taxes, he only took advantage of American tax laws. Look up how much Kerry and Daschle and McCaskell paid in taxes. Hillary was SOS and couldn’t even identify a classified document. How incompetent can she be? How many of her political enemies have disappeared or died?

          14. Sand_Cat October 10, 2016

            Once again, a lie from you. Just can’t give up on Benghazi, can you. Your desperation shows more and more, but the level of [un]truth you write hasn’t changed: any lie will do if it advances your arguments.

          15. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

            If only there had been an investigation into Benghazi! Oh wait, there was – and what you just said was 100% bullcrap. It’s sad that all you have to support your candidate are thoroughly discredited conspiracy theories; I guess when everything you believe is based on dumb & obvious lies, a few more don’t seem so bad.

            I hope that helps!

        2. Independent1 October 10, 2016

          You are A PATHOLOGICAL LYING FOOL!!!!!!

          And what about the 22 million emails still missing from the Bush Administration’s PRIVATE SERVERS????? With lots of classified information on them??????

        3. RED October 10, 2016

          You guys are morons, just complete morons. I guess in bizarro Con world the “Cone of Silence” descends every time some staffer at the State Department wants to talk about what sweater the Russian ambassador bought for his mistress. National security? Just plain idiots? Hey maybe Hillary deleted emails because she was emailing the Alien Lizard Overlords?

        4. esmensetoo October 10, 2016

          Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Cheney and pretty much the entire Bush administration used an unsecured server (the RNC’s) and, contrary to law, failed to turn millions (22 million) of those emails over to the government (most were erased).

          This doesn’t make anything Clinton did OK, of course.

          So, let’s jail every one of the “evil” bast**ds! Right?

          1. itsfun October 10, 2016

            They used government secured servers, not private ones or any party ones. Everyone who broke the law should be punished. They have the future of every man, woman, and child in America. It is they sworn duty to protect us. When they break the laws, they are breaking a sacred trust they accepted.

          2. esmensetoo October 10, 2016

            its funny how you won’t believe anything critical about your Republican heroes. The RNC server was the Republican party’s server, not a government server. And among the emails released by the FBI was one from Colin Powell saying that he said he used a private server. The FBI is the source for the info about the Bush administration.

          3. itsfun October 10, 2016

            Nope: I think you are confusing a private server with a private email account. Powell did have a private email account, but it was housed on a government server. He didn’t have a private server in his house or anywhere. The RNC does have its own servers as does the DNC, but government business in not done on these servers. Each department of the federal government have their own servers or what many call a server farm. The Bush administration used government servers too. We used to have huge computers the size of a whole room or more. Now they have been mostly replaced with small computers. Physically these servers are about the same size as the pc in your home or office. They are kept in a locked secured room in government office buildings.

          4. esmensetoo October 10, 2016

            Powell had a private — commercial — email account. Not safe. Much of the Bush administration conducted business on the RNC’s private SERVER. And destroyed emails before leaving office – contrary to law. Make up any excuses you want, they were both reckless and had a lot to hide.

          5. itsfun October 10, 2016

            I said Powell had a private email account. That is one reason a great password is so important. I don’t know if he had it set up so that if someone tried to log in 3 times the account would shut down for a predetermined amount of time. I have not seen where the Bush administration used RNC servers for government business. If they did that it should be investigated for any possible security leaks. My guess is even if they did destroy emails before leaving office, all of the emails were automatically backed up on government servers. That is a reason to have all government documents in the same places. There are procedures in place that backup all files that were accessed that day, week, and month. The backups whether on other servers, or cd’s or tapes are transported off site to a safe location usually underground to protect the information from all forms of attack, storms, etc. Not making any excuses for anyone. If any Bush or Obama or Kennedy or Truman people illegally destroyed government documents they should be investigated for possible criminal doings. If we can’t trust people in high positions, who can we trust?

          6. Independent1 October 10, 2016

            WOW!! And you can actually post all those outright lies with a straight face and sleep at night knowing you’re lying through your teeth??? I knew you were worthless and you prove it every time you post just one more pathological lie!!!!!!!!!

            From PolitiFact:

            The Bush email story

            First, a quick refresher about what happened in the Bush administration. In March 2007, eyes were on then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales after the administration unexpectedly fired eight U.S. attorneys. Congress (recently taken over by Democrats) investigated the firings, alleging that the administration had dropped the prosecutors for political reasons.

            Over the course of the investigation, it came out that some White House officials had conducted White House business over private email accounts set up on a server through the Republican National Committee. The White House later admitted that some internal White House emails conducted on the RNC server might have been lost.

            http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/mar/15/juan-williams/media-reaction-george-w-bushs-email-controversy/

            And it was 22 White House officials who used the RNCs PRIVATE SERVERS for the vast majority of their government work – especially Karl Rove who used his RNC email account for 100% of every government business he did!!! YOU LYING TURD!!!!!!

          7. Independent1 October 10, 2016

            REMEMBER!!
            7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,[d] and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

            8 But the cowardly, unbelieving,[e] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

          8. Sand_Cat October 10, 2016

            Nope: you’re confusing your delusions with the truth.

          9. JPHALL October 10, 2016

            When did AOL become the government?

          10. itsfun October 10, 2016

            never said it was. If he was using aol it still had to go to the govt. server to be routed to Powell.

          11. JPHALL October 10, 2016

            You are being really obtuse tonight. The same is true that Clinton’s mail went through a government server. Aol was not more secured than Clinton’s unknown server at that time in 2008-10. Everything changed then. While both Aol and the State Department servers were hacked, there is no evidence that Clinton’s was according to the FBI.

          12. itsfun October 10, 2016

            Not correct. The only mail of Hillary’s that went to a government server was mail she or her staff sent to a government person. If she was send a email to John Doe in Boston, the mail only went through her server to John Doe or to a server in John Doe’s company.

          13. JPHALL October 11, 2016

            Which is also true with Powell. So what is your point?

          14. itsfun October 11, 2016

            nope, because Powell was using a government computer, all of his emails went to the government server to be routed.

          15. I Am Helpy October 11, 2016

            I’ll take made-up distinctions that aren’t even true for 500, Alex

          16. JPHALL October 11, 2016

            You are pathetic! Powell used AOL not the government network or servers! Like Clinton, he responded to people who were on the government server so those messages could be found.

          17. itsfun October 12, 2016

            you’re wrong. He did not have a private server, he had a private email account. His email account was on his government issued computer.

          18. JPHALL October 12, 2016

            Again I see that you have no idea about what you are saying. All computers need a network to use Email, government or private. All Email needs a server. Powell’s Email resided on the AOL mail server and not the government’s. AOL is a public source not government.

          19. Independent1 October 12, 2016

            More flat-out lies. POWELL WAS NOT USING A GOVERNMENT COMPUTER!!!

          20. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

            Wow. You’re dumb as hell.

          21. itsfun October 10, 2016

            Well mr IT guy, what is your expertise in IT?

          22. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

            Literally 30+ years of writing everything from compilers on upwards. That’s only one of my degrees though. What does that have to do with anything? You’re dumb as hell, and that would be obvious even if I wasn’t immensely qualified.

          23. itsfun October 10, 2016

            yea right. another lie from the lying racist.

          24. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

            Ah, you’re spectacularly wrong so I must by lying, for some reason.

          25. Independent1 October 10, 2016

            And if there’s any evil lurking around, it was in clear view last night at the debates – in full display by the Devil’s henchman named Trump!!!!

        5. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

          Fun fact: her email server was more secure than State’s, which is why she was never hacked. Also, no crime was committed, which makes it incredibly weird and stupid to call this “evil” – especially when compared with the undeniably criminal and evil actions of Donald Trump. You are a spineless hypocrite.

          I hope that helps!

          1. itsfun October 10, 2016

            Just more of your childish name calling. Your level of intelligence is showing again.

          2. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

            OK sorry that you think facts are insulting; I’d expect no less. Pathetic.

          3. itsfun October 10, 2016

            never see facts from you, just name calling and BS

          4. I Am Helpy October 10, 2016

            See previous post.

          5. Anna Maria Yoakum October 12, 2016

            Trolling, trolling . . . it’s so fun. 😀

          6. Independent1 October 10, 2016

            You get called names when time and time again you clearly refuse to accept truthful data presented to you; so the only recourse we have then is to hope that if we call you enough names; just maybe one time you’ll realize that the names we call you really fit and maybe you should try listening to wise advice instead of believing the outright propaganda based on lies from the right-wing.

            If it’s got anything to do with childishness, the childishness is yours. Just like 3-year olds who you can give instructions to time and time again but they don’t listen. THAT’S YOU!!!

          7. Anna Maria Yoakum October 12, 2016

            Itsfun is simply a troll – even the name; “it’s fun” indicates that he/she thinks trolling is fun and enjoys sparking arguments and generating comments. Would not surprise me if itsfun doesn’t even go out and vote this Nov . . . or even if “it” votes for Hillary. 😀

          8. Sand_Cat October 10, 2016

            At least he/she has some.

          9. Anna Maria Yoakum October 12, 2016

            Having fun troll ?

          10. itsfun October 12, 2016

            yep; do you have anything except name calling going for you?

          11. itsfun October 13, 2016

            Got anymore bs. Read what the director of the FBI said about how secure her private illegal server was. You have become a waste of time. You just want socialism to take over and give you free stuff while others work.

          12. I Am Helpy October 13, 2016

            I have read what the director of the FBI said. Nothing he said backs up your claim, sorry. Better luck next baseless right-wing smear!

        6. Sand_Cat October 10, 2016

          “Proven” only to idiots like you.
          Of course, none of Donald’s lies count, do they, you little hypocrite.

        7. Bill P October 11, 2016

          Hillary is way more honest than your other lesser evil Trump. You have never written any comments his proven lies that are too numerous to list here. Additionally he is being shown to be a sexual predator not just once but many times. He is nothing more than a sound bite, he would be a disaster in the oval office.

          1. itsfun October 11, 2016

            How can you possibly use the word honest in the same sentence as Hillary? You talk about a sexual predator, what do you think Hillary lives with? She can’t be very upset with what Trump said over 20 years ago if she stays with Billy. Have you seen the emails that were released today. She is a disaster. Her incompetence is astounding. Her open borders will allow something like 600 million into this country. How are we going to afford that? Where will they live, work, get health care, education, etc. You and I will be paying for them until we go bankrupt. Did you see where she said you have to say some things in private and the opposite in the public forum. This is admitting she lies to us. She discussed the plan to get Bin Laden in emails. That is all classified information and she has skated on that. That is illegal to discuss classified information in public. She did that. A man wrote about that and he was fined and may go to prison. He only repeated what she said in public. If you think what happened on 9/11 was terrible, it will be just a small think if she gets elected. We won’t lose 3000 people, we will lose around 300.000 because a nuclear warhead will be included in the next attack.

          2. I Am Helpy October 11, 2016

            It’s amazing what an appalling hypocrite – not to mention a liar – you are. How do you sleep at night?

          3. Bill P October 12, 2016

            First Bill Clinton isn’t running for the presidency, Hillary is. You keep calling her a pathological liar but have not once offered any provable facts. Your ranting about a worse event than 9/11 is just another bogus theory from the extreme right wing. You have no way of proving this ridiculous statement that “300,000” not 300.000 (try proofreading your comments). You will not claim who you are backing but it’s obvious if it’s not Hillary you will be voting for the lying sexual predator Trump. Try writing something based in reality not the conspiracy world of the extreme right wing media.

          4. itsfun October 12, 2016

            Don’t recall Bill Clinton is running for President. I am saying how can Hillary call herself a champion for women’s rights when she lives with a sexual predator, and try’s to destroy the women that accused Bill. Hillary is the one that said all women should be believed when they say they were raped. I guess she only meant the ones that didn’t accuse Billy. Her open borders will allow up to 600 million to cross into our country. Do you want the drug cartels, gangs, terrorists in your back yard. I’ll write what I believe and your stupid name calling won’t change that.

          5. Bill P October 13, 2016

            Your claim that “Hillary is the one that said all women should be believed when they say they were raped.” is once again made without any proof. The claim of rape by “some” women has been proven to be false, see the Duke lacrosse players case as one. Studies have shown a 2% to 8% false claim of rape.
            Now you claim that 600 “million” will be allowed to enter the US, where is this statistic coming from, where the sun doesn’t shine?
            That number would almost triple the population of this country. What will be the # in your next comment 1 billion? Where did I call you a name, all I did was question your inaccurate statements. Your beliefs aren’t backed up by provable facts.

          6. itsfun October 13, 2016

            I watched video replays of her saying that. All you need to do is a simple search. She also wants a free and open border, the numbers are correct. You refuse to try and do any research and just give me a hard time. I am sick of your bs. You have proven nothing except to whine and cry. You are not worth my time anymore. Every time I even see your id on my machine, I will just delete without bothering to read any more of you bs.

          7. Bill P October 15, 2016

            Your claimed that Hillary said that all women should be believed when they say they were raped is not totally accurate which is par for you. Here is her actual quote “To every survivor of sexual assault…You have the right to be heard. You have the right to be believed. We’re with you.” Considering that studies show that from 92% to 98% of all sexual assault charges are proven to be true her statement is fair.

            Your numbers about 600 million will be allowed to enter the US is some # that you either heard on some right wing talk show or are pulling out of your butt. Here is what Hillary actually proposed – “would like to see us move from what is a good start with 10,000 to 65,000 and begin immediately to put into place the mechanisms for vetting the people that we would take in,” Clinton said, implying that her figure, like Obama’s, was per fiscal year.” Using the 65K # that works out to 520K over 8 years, not your made up # of 600 million. And she stated that they would be placed in the vetting process that currently takes approximately 18-24 months to complete. So the 65K # would only enter the vetting process that wouldn’t be complete for 18-24 months.

            You seem to have a memory problem. You recently claimed that the liberal newspapers didn’t write negative articles on Hillary. I gave you the newspapers, the authors and the article titles for between 7 and 10 articles. Never heard back from you on this. Also when I wrote that Trump lies more than anyone else I gave you at least 5 examples of his lies and could have listed more but didn’t want to overstress you.

            Your claiming that I whine and cry is just transference – “a psychological phenomenon in which an individual redirects emotions and feelings, often unconsciously, from one person to another.” You will respond to my comments, you know you will. You have made this claim at least twice before.

          8. itsfun October 15, 2016

            You do whine. Open borders means everyone in the whole world can just come on in, whether it be terrorists, rapists, murderers, whatever. She did say all women deserve to be believed when they say they were raped. I saw that video. Her vetting will consist of asking if the person is breathing. Have you been reading any of the emails released this week. As usual you will just say they can’t be true or some other horse-sh_t. They prove to any reasonable person just how she has no use for everyday working people. They also prove how much she hates. Look out freedom of religion Hillary is coming for you. Look out gun owners Hillary is coming after you too. I have posted the videos of her when she is telling some of her lies, and get the same old response that it was a right wing site, so it can’t be true. I’ll keep posting what I want and when I want and I couldn’t care less what whiners and deniers people like you say. I am through proving anything because I just get back responses saying the proof is all lies and other horsesh_t. My advice is to stop reading what I post if you don’t like it. Starting today anytime I see your id, I just delete the post and don’t waste my time reading anything you say.

          9. Bill P October 17, 2016

            I thought you weren’t going to reply to me. You can’t stop yourself because nobody else gives you any attention. You still haven’t named the video you claimed to have watched. Here again is her actual quote – “To every survivor of sexual assault…You have the right to be heard. You have the right to be believed. We’re with you.” Obviously you know nothing about the vetting process for refugees to be granted asylum in the US. Here is a synopsis of the vetting process from Time magazine “How are Syrian refugees referred to the U.S.? The process begins with a referral from UNHCR. The U.N.’s refugee agency is responsible for registering some 15 million asylum seekers around the world, and providing aid and assistance until they are resettled abroad or (more likely) returned home once conditions ease. The registration process includes in-depth refugee interviews, home country reference checks and biological screening such as iris scans. Military combatants are weeded out.

            Among those who pass background checks, a small percentage are referred for overseas resettlement based on criteria designed to determine the most vulnerable cases. This group may include survivors of torture, victims of sexual violence, targets of political persecution, the medically needy, families with multiple children and a female head of household.

            Another usual diatribe from a know nothing troll. Freedom of religion or freedom from religion is guaranteed by the 1st amendment and gun ownership is protected by the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution. These amendments “will never” be repealed and to repeal an amendment (only happened once in our history) 2/3of the Congress or 2/3 of the states have to propose the repeal amendment. Then 3/4 of the states must approve the amendment. Notice that the president has no role in this process. So your claim is total bullshit.

            Your inane comment of ” I am through proving anything because I just get back responses saying the proof is all lies and other horsesh_t” You never offer any proof. Your advice is worthless, I will respond to your inaccurate comments any time that I want to. And you will keep replying because you have nothing else to do. By the way you can’t delete any comments but your own ignorant ones.

          10. Anna Maria Yoakum October 12, 2016

            What’s the matter “itsfun”, no friends to play with today so all you can do is blow some time on the internet ? Because to you ” it’s fun to go online and start up a good, juicy argument. Or maybe you’re praticing for your high school debating team ?

          11. itsfun October 12, 2016

            who or what do you play with?

          12. Independent1 October 12, 2016

            And just more of your rambling nonsense. Maybe someday you’ll post something that even approaches reality!!

            As far as politicians go, Hillary is the most honest of all the ones that were running for 2016 BY FAR (even though Kasich ranked a little higher in this article, it’s only because he really didn’t have that much opportunity to get in the lies. Being the governor of 2015’s 2nd most miserable state in America to live in – really says it all. Kasich is as big a pathological liar as Rubio, Cruz and Jeb Bush which all tell the truth less than 25% of the time).

            Some facts from PolitiFact:

            One basic test of a politician’s honesty is whether that person tells the truth when on the campaign trail, and by that standard Clinton does well. PolitiFact, the Pulitzer Prize-winning fact-checking site, found 50 percent of the Clinton statements it examined to be either true or mostly true.

            That compares to 49 percent for Bernie Sanders’s, 9 percent for Trump’s, 22 percent for Ted Cruz’s and 52 percent for John Kasich’s. Here we have a rare metric of integrity among candidates, and it suggests that contrary to popular impressions, Clinton is relatively honest — by politician standards.

    2. charleo1 October 10, 2016

      And since Trump hasn’t been able to pull his campaign, or his tired slogans out of the primaries. (Everything’s a disaster) In fact, last night’s rhetoric from Trump was completely about him having to woo back voters he had won in the primary to keep his campaign from collapsing. Not persuading more voters to support him. And this is construed as winning? In who’s book?

  9. johninPCFL October 10, 2016

    Saw an interview with Mark Cuban where he dissected the couple of pages of Trump’s return. Interestingly, it hasn’t been noted in MSM.
    Basically, Trump got a ton of money from investors to buy into the casinos, borrowed a ton more, lost it all and had to reduce his ownership from majority to bare minority (10%) as part of the bankruptcy settlement. But, he took the entire loss on his personal return. So, the folks who invested in his casinos got nothing back and no tax deductions, the banks got nothing back, and Trump paid no federal taxes for over a decade.

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  10. RED October 10, 2016

    Here’s the Con party for ya: Their nominee for President uses the word “bigly” What a moron!! He’s is the King of the Morons!!

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  11. Dan S October 10, 2016

    Breaking News, Paul Ryan will not campaign with Trump. He’s pretty much has done an unendorsement telling GOP candidates to vote their conscience giving them an out not to support Trump any longer
    As for the sniffing & deep breaths that continued into the 2nd Debate I’m thinking it’s a relaxation technique someone probably showed him how to use if he feels he’s about to lose it. There’s no other explanation since you never hear it outside the debates

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    1. Independent1 October 10, 2016

      I think the GOP is waking up to realize that it’s too late for them to change anything because ballots have been printed and have already been distributed to maybe millions because of absentee and early voting; so the RNC has done a reversal and Paul Ryan may also.

      See this CNN Breaking News email I received within the last hour:

      Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus reiterated his support Monday for embattled Republican nominee Donald Trump.

      “Nothing has changed in regard with our relationship,” Priebus said in a call with RNC committeemen. He said the Trump campaign and RNC are in full coordination.

  12. phylin October 10, 2016

    Does anyone know what happened to Trump’s face?

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  13. Jon October 10, 2016

    Sexual predator Dong Don spent a great deal of time stalking Hillary as she spoke. I was worried that he was going to grab her as he repeatedly sneaked behind her. He had already attempted prior to the debate to prove that he was America’s #1 sexual predator with what he dubbed a press conference using women he had previously condemned as proof that Bill Clinton couldn’t even come close to beating him in a race for #1 sexual predator.
    Trump spent the entire debate dodging questions, interrupting Hillary and the moderators, whining that the moderators weren’t being fair to him, lying, blaming Hillary for all he sees as problems with the U.S., sniffling every time he lied, wanting to jail Hillary, defending Russia, and stalking Hillary. The only people who said that made him a winner were those in his alt.right white, supremacist/nationalist, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, evangelical Christians and misogynistic base. Every hardworking patriotic American saw the LOSER called Trump on his best behavior.
    Even the Republican Party that created the LOSER is starting to abandon him. All he will have left are the haters who make up his base.

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  14. 1standlastword October 10, 2016

    In the end, what is the republican party without Donald Trump?

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    1. sharkbait4711 October 10, 2016

      Better off!

      1. 1standlastword October 10, 2016

        He slayed the establishment and stacked their corpses under the primary debate stage…breathed life into a couple of stooges to do his bidding and they are way out of favor with the People….

        And not to forget the Tea Party obstructionists who survive to finish off what’s left of the Party.

        The Paleo-conservatives have lined up behind Clinton and for that I can’t imagine them having any influence in the near future…not to mention they are at the near end of physical life.

        I’d say “better off dead” so somebody can perform a more effective “autopsy report”

        1. Thoughtopsy October 10, 2016

          Probably true.
          Although the last autopsy report was rather well written and accurate, and they didn’t seem inclined to follow any of it… In fact, in a general sense, deliberately did the exact opposite.
          So I’m not sure another one will help.

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