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delverJun 12, 2025 at 08:33:05 PM

As I commented in another diary: yes, this IS a tipping point, and we need to treat it like one.

ReplyRecommend 76BobRRdelverJun 12, 2025 at 08:55:48 PM

Why didn’t Kristi Noem recognize Padilla as a senator? I don’t even work in government and I can recognize at least 25-30 of our nation’s senators! She works in government and should recognize nearly all of them!

Is she stupid or something?

ReplyRecommend 44Anne ElkBobRRJun 12, 2025 at 09:05:17 PM

Yes. And she shot her dog. Don’t forget that.

ReplyRecommend 42gokart mozartAnne ElkJun 12, 2025 at 09:31:16 PM

And she was so proud that she voluntarily announced it in a book.

ReplyRecommend 28Anne Elkgokart mozartJun 12, 2025 at 09:33:49 PM

That was nuts

ReplyRecommend 15Charles MorrowAnne ElkJun 12, 2025 at 10:01:18 PM

I’d call it “evil.”

ReplyRecommend 23howdCharles MorrowJun 12, 2025 at 10:03:48 PM

No need for parentheses around evil. She is evil.

ReplyRecommend 10doinaheckuvanutjobhowdJun 12, 2025 at 10:09:32 PM

Those are quotation marks, not parentheses, but I agree that she is evil...

ReplyRecommend 11megsk8zAnne ElkJun 13, 2025 at 07:04:34 AM

And she is banned from roughly 20% of the lands in her state because she is simply odious. Who picks someone that can’t even legally enter part of her home state for a DHS Secretary?
I understand that she does take dictatorship dictation well, but can’t we just all tell her she isn’t welcome?

ReplyRecommend 5delvermegsk8zJun 13, 2025 at 08:02:22 AM

Banned? Wow I didn’t know that. Can you elaborate and link? thx

ReplyRecommendSpaceElevatorBobRRJun 12, 2025 at 09:16:24 PM

The event was well orchestrated, her and her handlers knew full well who the California SENATORS are , and that ain’t Adam Schiff.

Theatre, but with a very serious message: We are in charge now, don’t resist.

Interesting times , indeed.

ReplyRecommend 33DillonfenceSpaceElevatorJun 12, 2025 at 09:45:45 PM

You give them too much credit. She and her people are fucking morons. Every brown person is a threat to her goon squad.

ReplyRecommend 19BeadLadySpaceElevatorJun 13, 2025 at 12:04:43 AM

Padilla has an office in that building. He had every right to be there.

ReplyRecommend 10A Noah CountBeadLadyJun 13, 2025 at 07:16:41 AM

According to the Pumpkin Pinochet regime, because he’s a Democrat, he has NO rights whatsoever.

ReplyRecommend 1TMerrittSpaceElevatorJun 13, 2025 at 01:04:42 AM

ABSOLUTELY

ReplyRecommend 3CyberMindGrrlBobRRJun 12, 2025 at 09:24:17 PM

Clearly she and her goons saw Senator Padilla’s brown skin and decided to treat him like an undocumented immigrant being deported.

ReplyRecommend 21gokart mozartCyberMindGrrlJun 12, 2025 at 09:33:16 PM

She was standing there at the podium just feet away watching the whole thing. She could have stopped it.

ReplyRecommend 16WillioCyberMindGrrlJun 13, 2025 at 07:47:24 AM

That is what I think happened, they thought he was some sort of brown skinned journalist and immediately used force, probably broke several of their own protocols for the use of force.

ReplyRecommendRtRheadBobRRJun 12, 2025 at 09:44:22 PM

She's basically a vapid mob wife with the checkbook. Thinks she is untouchable.

ReplyRecommend 22Judge MoonboxBobRRJun 12, 2025 at 09:57:38 PM

I think we should assume that she recognized Padilla. Given the dishonesty of her statement, I think she was afraid of being reality-checked.

ReplyRecommend 12Johnny QBobRRJun 12, 2025 at 10:16:06 PM

If the words “I’m Senator Alex Padilla” didn’t clue her in, I don’t understand how she’s still able to stand erect.

ReplyRecommend 19commander oggBobRRJun 13, 2025 at 12:19:37 AM

Is she stupid or something?'

Honlon's razor suggest this is the answer.

OTOH I think it's just as possible she is on a power trip and the thugs security she has protecting her are equally badge heavy. She is convinced that she can break multiple laws and norms and her daddy president will protect her.

She is a fool.

ReplyRecommend 9delvercommander oggJun 13, 2025 at 12:40:37 AM

I think Hanlon’s razor is itself stupid. There is a mix of dumb and/or evil people in the world. Many of the evil are quite smart. It’s hard to explain what people do in general, more so if they’re acting out of the ordinary standards. Assuming stupidity is part of underestimating one’s enemy, a bad mistake.

ReplyRecommend 3mybooBobRRJun 13, 2025 at 12:42:51 AM

Noem should recognize Padilla from her confirmation proceedings when she met with all the Senators. Her goons should have unhanded him as soon as he identified himself. I devoutly hope they, at the least, suffer the consequences of mishandling a senator.

ReplyRecommend 2TMerrittBobRRJun 13, 2025 at 01:05:38 AM

My thought is she did not want to answer questions so she signalled to the Secret Service to get rid of him. Has it occurred to others the initials for that organization coincide with another infamous organization in Europe during the 1930's & 40's?

In line with that observation, I thought today that the polarization has not quite reached the point it did during the early 1860's when Sen. Sumner of Massachusetts was beaten and almost killed on the Senate floor because he criticized a certain Senator from SC who had delivered the Mudsill speech. But with the illegal use of the military in CA and the attack on Sen Padilla, the nation is perilously close. In both cases the underlying reason was deliberate aggravation of the political polarization, for no other reason than to score political points with certain segments of the populace that thrive on hatred of all sorts. It is not a cooincidence, that is the methodology that was used in Nazi Germany and was promulgated during the Crusades.

ReplyRecommend 8delverTMerrittJun 13, 2025 at 01:12:56 AM

Yeah. Not dumping on him, but I’ve wondered why Sumner didn’t fight back more effectively and/or get revenge.

ReplyRecommend 3TMerrittdelverJun 13, 2025 at 01:28:55 AM

I would have to verify this but I recall he was disabled and was fairly old at the time and used a cane. I believe he required more than a year to return to the Senate and never fully regained his health. Plus there were two young men beating him with canes that were likely loaded with lead or some other weights.

ReplyRecommend 4delverTMerrittJun 13, 2025 at 06:29:16 AM

I see. I didn’t know it was two men “ “ beating him. BTW Preston Brooks is the one noted as beating Sumner, was James Hammond (the one famous for the “Mudsill” speech) also involved?

ReplyRecommend 1ByTordelverJun 13, 2025 at 06:25:19 AM

He was sitting down and trapped by his desk which was bolted to the floor. He was trying to get up, but Brooks was beating him on the head with that cane. He eventually did break the desk free, but by that time he was nearly beaten to unconsciousness.

ReplyRecommend 5delverByTorJun 13, 2025 at 06:35:27 AM

I see, thanks. Would have been nice for Sumner to have a pocket pistol — use of which would surely be um “polarizing” but just desserts. BTW, I wonder if our own writer (miss him) Mark Sumner is related?

ReplyRecommend 2ByTordelverJun 13, 2025 at 07:07:49 AM

There is a really good book about violence in Congress in the early to mid 19th century — The Field of Blood. A lot of them did take to carrying pistols and there were fist flights on the floors. Sumner didn’t believe in it though.

In one debate on the Senate floor over the Compromise of 1850, Mississippi Senator Henry Foote pulled a pistol on Senator Thomas Hart Benton of Missouri. Benton tore open his coat to expose his chest and yelled “Let the assassin fire!” Foote was wrestled to the ground and disarmed. So, debates could be exciting in those days.

Not sure if Mark Sumner is any relation to Senator Sumner. I miss him here too.

ReplyRecommend 2ktozBobRRJun 13, 2025 at 01:26:27 AM

She knew exactly who he was, but she serves only the cult leader Donald Trump. Nothing in this life matters more to her. Not the constitution, not the thousands of Americans who’ve died protecting this country, there is no god but Donald Trump.

ReplyRecommend 4shmuelmanBobRRJun 13, 2025 at 02:51:24 AM

You need to wake up. They are seeing how far they can go and what the consequences are for their outrageous and illegal actions.

ReplyRecommend 4ByTorBobRRJun 13, 2025 at 06:27:40 AM

Well, she is stupid, but the lack of shame and a conscience are her more salient traits.

ReplyRecommend 3drshatterhandBobRRJun 13, 2025 at 07:02:00 AM

Also demonstrated in public she had no clue what Habeus Corpus is.

ReplyRecommend 3A Noah CountdrshatterhandJun 13, 2025 at 07:20:37 AM

I doubt she’d care.

ReplyRecommend 2BaltimoreSteveBobRRJun 13, 2025 at 07:46:23 AM

Because she didn’t have to recognize him.

ReplyRecommend 1IndieGuydelverJun 12, 2025 at 09:21:16 PM

Or not.

ReplyRecommend 3Judge MoonboxIndieGuyJun 12, 2025 at 10:00:42 PM

What possessed Goldin to accuse Padilla of shoving a police officer???? If he had seen what actually happened, he would know that Noem was the theatrical one.

ReplyRecommend 25RtRheadJudge MoonboxJun 13, 2025 at 12:27:33 AM

Unbelievable. What's possing me off so much is the oath and how cavalier all this shit is.

The Oath resonates for me these days. I made it. And I definitely feel it's weight. I know what it means. Why make an oath not know what it means? My father asked me what promise I made when I pledged my allegiance at school. He made me think about it. Pointed me to understanding that it was a burden.

Trump didn't make his oath. He believes that. He somehow reasoned that not touching the Bible relieved that burden. I'm certain of it.

I can't imagine not being tethered to my country. How does someone believe in nothing? For money they don't even spend and people they don't even like. What misery.

ReplyRecommend 9ktozRtRheadJun 13, 2025 at 01:32:31 AM

Trump holds the Bible with about as much esteem as the wrappers on his McDonalds burgers, maybe less. Him swearing an oath on one is less than meaningless to him.

The entire swearing in was pointless because he never had the slightest intention of following any rules.

ReplyRecommend 5RtRheadktozJun 13, 2025 at 02:49:27 AM

My point is that this gesture was worth making to him. Who gives a shit if he puts is hand on the literal stack of Bibles that his wife had to carry for the do?

He did. So, I disagree. There was a meaning to his action. A rebellion. The symbology mattered enough, at least, to defy it. An oath to something he despises or even his characteristic caution with accountability. It wasn't indifference. This is as raw a thing about his workings as it gets, imo. He put thought into it.

ReplyRecommend 6TMerrittJudge MoonboxJun 13, 2025 at 01:16:41 AM

I realize Golden comes from ME-2, which is conservative, but Mainers are pretty down to earth people. They will lilely be horified by this incident and I suspect not br happy. Golden may be hurting himself seriously. IIRC, Maine now uses a rsnked choice primary. That should make a challenge by a true moderate Drmocrat more feasible.

ReplyRecommend 6dkosdanTMerrittJun 13, 2025 at 07:55:08 AM

Let the DNC kid primary his ass!

ReplyRecommendshmuelmanJudge MoonboxJun 13, 2025 at 02:56:04 AM

This is not political theater. Goldin probably would call the Munich Beer Hall Putsch political theater. What a freak — he should be censured by the Democrats.

ReplyRecommend 6FeithlinshmuelmanJun 13, 2025 at 07:59:12 AM

This is so tone deaf! He should have been outraged and not blaming the victim here!!! No wonder we continue to lose elections. The Dems have no unified, coherent message. Schumer should have called a meeting with the Dems and hammered out a unified message and not allowed anyone to deviate from that message.

ReplyRecommendjhechtJudge MoonboxJun 13, 2025 at 07:35:25 AM

He was the only Democrat in the House to vote in favor of the CR. He's a DINO.

ReplyRecommend 2FeithlinjhechtJun 13, 2025 at 08:01:00 AM

I apologize for my earlier post, I thought he was in the Senate! Still, Jeffries needs to get a simple message out that doesn’t blame the victim in this case and make everyone toe the line. We are perceived weak otherwise.

ReplyRecommendnorthcountry21stIndieGuyJun 12, 2025 at 10:10:52 PM

Not surprised — he’s pretty darn conservative.

ReplyRecommend 5denignorthcountry21stJun 12, 2025 at 10:31:21 PM

That's one word for it.

ReplyRecommend 6BaltimoreStevenorthcountry21stJun 13, 2025 at 07:50:54 AM

It’s not as if Republicans will give him a pass now.

ReplyRecommendFeithlinnorthcountry21stJun 13, 2025 at 08:01:23 AM

Yet blind to what is happening.

ReplyRecommenddoinaheckuvanutjobIndieGuyJun 12, 2025 at 10:12:53 PM

You're out of line again...

ReplyRecommend 1IndieGuydoinaheckuvanutjobJun 12, 2025 at 11:37:52 PM

In what way?

ReplyRecommendBroken0doinaheckuvanutjobJun 13, 2025 at 07:29:10 AM

Yes, Indeguy is out of line.

Repeating obviously false accusations against a Democratic Senator has no place on this site.

Maybe on Breitbart, but not here.

ReplyRecommenddelverBroken0Jun 13, 2025 at 08:06:00 AM

What false accusations?

ReplyRecommendBroken0delverJun 13, 2025 at 08:09:13 AM

That the Senator from California somehow instigated DHS’s thuggery.

ReplyRecommendJohnny QIndieGuyJun 12, 2025 at 10:18:04 PM

Fuck you Jared.

ReplyRecommend 12KertuIndieGuyJun 12, 2025 at 11:32:25 PM

I have had it with Jared Golden. He voted with Republicans to require proof of citizenship when voting by voting for the SAVE act. He voted with Republicans to pass the CR. He praised Trump's tariffs. He needs to go.

ReplyRecommend 13Broken0KertuJun 13, 2025 at 07:12:14 AM

Absolutely.

And the Dem leadership should condemn Jared, right now.

ReplyRecommenddoinaheckuvanutjobIndieGuyJun 13, 2025 at 02:24:36 AM

Meh 😕 😑, who the heck cares if Golden (who dat??) don't like it & can't handle the realities of impolite 2025...

Hmmmmppphhhhh....!!

ReplyRecommend 2Der KommissardelverJun 12, 2025 at 09:21:34 PM

Stop.

If 1/6 wasn’t enough of a tipping point to make a difference, this isn’t going to do anything.

ReplyRecommend 5delverDer KommissarJun 12, 2025 at 09:32:36 PM

Stop the cynicism. It’s up to us to make it make a difference.

ReplyRecommend 13shmuelmanDer KommissarJun 13, 2025 at 03:00:26 AM

You don’t know that — you don’t know that at all. Democrats couldn’t rein in Trump, but maybe when they see that they can get arrested, maybe they will snap out of their stupor. Or maybe Obama can give a talk in his charming style that now is the time for responsible, adult governance and cooler heads, and urge us to go high when they go low.

ReplyRecommend 1Broken0shmuelmanJun 13, 2025 at 07:14:40 AM

And where is Obama now?

Still taking his “high road”?

ReplyRecommend 1G2geekdelverJun 13, 2025 at 02:39:41 AM

Agreed: a(nother) tipping point. Defying the 9-0 SCOTUS ruling was another. So far they haven’t just shot anyone. But the pattern is clear, they are slowly ratcheting up the autocratic measures, following the Orban playbook.

We are going to kick a bunch of them out of office next November.

Everybody in!, it starts now!

ReplyRecommend 6shmuelmanG2geekJun 13, 2025 at 03:07:36 AM

Unless Democrats show some balls, some initiative, people won’t vote for them. Will they talk about defunding ICE or will they go around talking in circles about normalcy and a return to good manners and that they promise to be good players but certainly no retribution or responsibility should be taken to the Republicans because a fascist takeover of the United States is part of the institutional privilege of the President. I still have not recovered from Obama’s “some folks were tortured” speech.

ReplyRecommend 2proudAFRICANshmuelmanJun 13, 2025 at 06:19:17 AM

Of course, Trump and his goons are crazy because “Obama”.

ReplyRecommend 1quaoarJun 12, 2025 at 08:33:23 PM

I’m sure Schumer will respond forcefully with a sternly worded letter.

ReplyRecommend 35DalbertquaoarJun 12, 2025 at 08:34:39 PM

Give it a rest.

ReplyRecommend 13quaoarDalbertJun 12, 2025 at 08:47:39 PM

No, I won’t.

ReplyRecommend 16DalbertquaoarJun 12, 2025 at 08:50:07 PM

Then you re part of the problem. What we need right now is unity. After we boot Noem, and arrest her goons, then you can start whinging again.

ReplyRecommend 16BottomleftcornerDalbertJun 12, 2025 at 08:57:06 PM

Then you [a]re part of the problem.
then you can start whinging again.

Yep. This kind of response is exactly what we need to foster unity. /s

ReplyRecommend 10DalbertBottomleftcornerJun 12, 2025 at 09:05:14 PM

Thank you for recognizing my restraint. You should have seen my initial reply…

Seriously, you guys have really lost the plot. In case you haven’t heard,

1. Trump federalizes the National Gaurd and then sends in the military in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.

2. Noem shows up and states her intent to use federal forces to “"liberate the city of socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country."

2. Senator Padilla seeks to ask a question. Padilla clearly told them he was United States Senator, it did no good.

3. Plain clothes goons force Padilla out of the room where FBI agents throw him to the ground and handcuff him.

ReplyRecommend 18BottomleftcornerDalbertJun 12, 2025 at 09:10:17 PM

Seriously, you guys have really lost the plot. In case you haven’t heard,

Yep, that really won me over. /s You have the touch alright. /s

And just for your information, you have no idea what I think. I was making a personal observation about that communication, which you reinforced with your response to me.

ReplyRecommend 5DalbertBottomleftcornerJun 12, 2025 at 09:12:49 PM

As long as we are on the same page now, it’s water under the bridge.

ReplyRecommend 3BottomleftcornerDalbertJun 12, 2025 at 09:15:11 PM

Uh, no. It is not water under the bridge. I do not like the way you communicate. So try civility next time.

ReplyRecommend 3DalbertBottomleftcornerJun 12, 2025 at 09:18:28 PM

You are soooo right. The real issue here is how I communicate.

Get. A, Life.

ReplyRecommend 2BottomleftcornerDalbertJun 12, 2025 at 09:25:14 PM

The real issue is your failure to understand that the unity you seek is not made better by writing like a bully.

ReplyRecommend 3DalbertBottomleftcornerJun 12, 2025 at 09:30:05 PM

“A bully”. H ah aha ahaha haha hahaa.

Have a nice day.

ReplyRecommend 2BottomleftcornerDalbertJun 12, 2025 at 09:39:55 PM

H ah aha ahaha hahah,

. . .responds the guy with the honors degree deconstructing writing.

ReplyRecommend 3AnOceanOfNotionsBottomleftcornerJun 13, 2025 at 01:26:52 AM

This whole conversation is depressing and you both look like stupid children, get a grip and grow up. Sincerely, a rando reading the thread for the first time and that’s how you two come off.

ReplyRecommendRyan in FLAnOceanOfNotionsJun 13, 2025 at 08:02:57 AM

Unfortunately, the culture of this place for the last several years has been leftie-bashing with no pushback (encouraged by Kos)… so everyone not into that has left for Reddit.

So… have fun if you like mocking the left while cheerleading mainstream centrists?

ReplyRecommenddoinaheckuvanutjobBottomleftcornerJun 13, 2025 at 02:30:10 AM

You have a certainly hilarious knack for missing clues, so I commend you for your skills, in relentless pursuit of the shallowest of misunderstood goals, with excellent amateur efforts at professional noncomprehending annoyance...

ReplyRecommendAnOceanOfNotionsDalbertJun 13, 2025 at 01:27:32 AM

You are not helping. Grow up too.

ReplyRecommend 1quaoarDalbertJun 12, 2025 at 08:57:15 PM

If you think that Noem is going to be booted and her goons will be arrested, you’re living in Fantasyland.

ReplyRecommend 8DalbertquaoarJun 12, 2025 at 09:17:23 PM

What I believe is irrelevant.

What I know is this:

That is what Dems everywhere need to be four-legs-good, two-legs-bad-ing from now on.

No more National Gaurd; no more Marine Battalions. Thanks to Padilla, we can and will win this showdown. Trump even before this read the polls, and TACO. Now is the time to finish the deal. Break off a few Republican senators and the spell is broken.

Will it work? Who knows. but I also know this:

it won’t if we don’t try.

United We Stand.

ReplyRecommend 14quaoarDalbertJun 12, 2025 at 09:27:53 PM

Here’s the thing — if I thought we still lived in a country where the rule of law is respected I would agree with you and I would eagerly await the appropriate criminal charges/firings. But we no longer live in such a country.

You seem to still have faith that the way we have handled problems like this in years past can still work. I wish that was the case. I used to believe that, but I no longer do.

Hopefully one day soon we can return to that.

In the meantime, we need a different approach.

ReplyRecommend 5DalbertquaoarJun 12, 2025 at 09:30:48 PM

Right. Ok then. See you.

ReplyRecommend 1HedhnterquaoarJun 12, 2025 at 10:10:30 PM

“My Honorable friends from across the aisle should be outraged” won’t fire folks up?

Try something new...

ReplyRecommend 2ByTorquaoarJun 13, 2025 at 06:35:37 AM

What is this different approach? Give up and get in line for the door to the gulag? Violence? What are you talking about?

ReplyRecommend 1dkosdanquaoarJun 13, 2025 at 08:14:07 AM

Pinochet was defeated by a cacophony of banging on pots and pans. Stay safe.

ReplyRecommendexpatwhereitsatDalbertJun 13, 2025 at 02:45:51 AM

here’s the thing, quaoar and many other people have said ,’let’s go democrats! fight. fuck ‘ em up.’

and you said —

Seriously, you guys have really lost the plot.

so, your plan is to wait and see and wait and see and wait and see.

every democrat should walk out of the congress/senate and not go back. protest with regular citizens, let the republiKKKans do whatever they want.

OR

they should never miss a day of work and use every legislative and procedural ability to gum up the works and slow this shit down.

100+ days into the drumpf administration and the dems are doing neither.

and _you_ are ok with that.

ReplyRecommend 1AnOceanOfNotionsquaoarJun 13, 2025 at 01:28:21 AM

I don’t believe it, but I do believe it’s good to uphold that as the expected standard instead of giving up on it.

ReplyRecommend 1doinaheckuvanutjobAnOceanOfNotionsJun 13, 2025 at 02:33:43 AM

As comical as it sounded, it's the required way to communicate in Congress, with each other. There are rules of communication they have to follow.

ReplyRecommendDer KommissarDalbertJun 12, 2025 at 09:23:12 PM

No what we need now is leadership……LEADERSHIP! And we do not have it.

Get outta here with your BS “you’re part of the problem for not being happy with the actions of our leaders.” That’s how a simpleton thinks.

ReplyRecommend 8IndieGuyDalbertJun 12, 2025 at 09:24:52 PM

Unity.

ReplyRecommend 3kamachandaIndieGuyJun 12, 2025 at 10:29:09 PM

I wonder what happens if you tackle a Senator?

ReplyRecommend 4MadisonianIndieGuyJun 12, 2025 at 10:29:32 PM

Wow. Fuck everything about this “Democrat”.

ReplyRecommend 9KertuIndieGuyJun 12, 2025 at 11:36:17 PM

David Hogg is correct. People like Jared Golden need to be primaries by Democrats who understand that we are in a Constitutional crisis and need to go on the attack because the rules have changed.

ReplyRecommend 9JClarkPDXDalbertJun 12, 2025 at 09:31:38 PM

Don’t delude yourself. Who exactly is going to arrest her goons? Do you think if Democrats take back Congress in the midterms they’ll be arrested? By Pam Bondi’s Justice Department? By Kash Patel’s FBI? Do you think if Democrats take back Congress and win the White House in 2028 they’ll be arrested? What percentage of elected Democrats will actually want to pursue justice and what percentage will want to turn the page, move on, look to the future?

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And while Republicans hide behind flimsy excuses, Democrats like Rep. Eric Swalwell of California took to Capitol Hill to demand Noem’s resignation.

"Kristi Noem must resign. She has deported a four year old with cancer, detained a U.S. marshal, and arrested two members of Congress. She’s lost the confidence of the American people. ICE must stop terrorizing our communities,” he wrote on BlueSky.

Along with the post, Swalwell included a video of himself alongside other politicians, including former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, in which he compares masked ICE agents to "Russian KGB agents."

"It's No Kings Day this Saturday. Americans need to show up,” he added. “Because if we don't show up, democracy dies."

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