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Despite Lowest Deficit In Five Years, GOP Still Threatening More Debt-Limit Sabotage

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Despite Lowest Deficit In Five Years, GOP Still Threatening More Debt-Limit Sabotage


After years of fixating on the deficit, both Republicans and the media have missed the good news: The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office is predicting this year’s deficit will be the smallest since 2008.

If Congress does nothing, the amount the government spends more than it takes in will fall to $378 billion, a fraction of the more than $1.4 trillion budget deficit President Obama inherited from George W. Bush.

“This is not good news — or not unambiguously good news, at any rate,” writes The New York Times‘ Paul Krugman. “A deficit falling to probably less than 5 percent of GDP this year and well below that next year is MUCH TOO LOW for an economy whose private sector is still engaged in a vicious circle of deleveraging.”

Cutting spending when unemployment is high and interest rates are low makes little sense with millions out of work. The sequester is already punishing the unemployed, though the small amount it shrinks the deficit has already been dwarfed by increases in revenue.

And Republicans want to make the situation worse.

Despite the fact that the deficit is falling at its fastest rate since the 1940s, the House Republican Conference met Wednesday to plot its strategy for raising the debt limit. The House GOP invoked the Boehner rule — any increase in the limit must be matched by spending cuts — for the first time in 2011. The result was billions of dollars in damage to the economy through lowered consumer confidence and hiring.

According to The Hill:

Rep. John Fleming (R-LA), said that, for him and many members of the conservative Republican Study Committee, any deal to raise the debt ceiling would have to be tied to a budget that would balance in 10 years ‘at a minimum.’

As usual, the GOP’s demands for “cutting the deficit” are actually for “cutting spending,” since they refuse any plan that includes increased tax revenue, even if it comes from closing loopholes on the rich and corporations that pay little or nothing in taxes.

And you can’t hope Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) will be able to prevent his party from pursuing another crisis, given that he’s admitted that he’s lost control of his conference.

A recent poll found that only 6 percent of the American public knew the deficit was shrinking. The CBO’s report coming in the midst of scandalmania will keep the information from getting out, making another debt standoff more likely.

The truth is we’ve never had a short-term deficit crisis.

“Deficit doves are right to look at this report say it shows that deficit panic is unwarranted, and that policymakers should focus on boosting the economy instead of cutting debt,” Bloomberg‘s Josh Barro reports. “But they were right to say that before the report came out, too.”

The good news is that the deficit is shrinking so quickly — leading to a $113 billion surplus in April — that the date we reach the debt limit keeps being put off to further and further into the future.

But eventually we will need to raise the limit again, and that’s when the GOP will ignore reality and punish the unemployed some more.

AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite


  1. eps62 May 15, 2013

    Do the Rethugs know anything about the economy? I don’t think so, just how to wreck it.

    1. Independent1 May 16, 2013

      You got it!! Of course the answer to your question is – No! Republicans know absolutely nothing about how to run a government. Even at the state level they’re not smart enough to realize that you don’t cut budgets and state services during a recession -unless of course you’re doing it on purpose just to foist the cost of supporting all your state’s residents that your idiot policies are throwing onto unemployed onto the dole of the federal government (which is probably their intent). It’s pretty clear that with 21 of the 23 states in America that now have 15% or more their residents living below the poverty level (some as high as 24%) are all GOP run states; and that 8 of the 10 states that are sucking the most federal help from Washington are also Red States – that the GOP has absolutely no clue of what running a government is all about. The GOP just can’t seem to realize that running a government IS NOT like running a household or a business .

      1. angelsinca May 17, 2013

        ” Republicans know absolutely nothing about how to run a government. ”

        Right, as evidenced by the complete alienation of half the country and continual bickering and daily drama under Democrat rule. Ain’t it fun to imagine the boogeyman isn’t who you are supportiing?

        1. 4sanity4all May 21, 2013

          The continual bickering and drama is all courtesy of the Republicans. They obstruct, pout, whine, twist the truth and defy logic.

  2. Lynda Groom May 15, 2013

    Apparently it is true, you can’t fix stupid. The obvious is that the GOP has virtually nothing else to offer, so must stick to their tried and true talking points no matter the economy health of the nation. Tragic, but true they just don’t understand the basics of our economy. All they need do is look to todays report about the effects of austerity in Europe. Even the economic powerhouse of Germany only grew at the snails pace of 0.01%.

    1. FredAppell May 15, 2013

      Be careful Lynda, I predict that if the numbers are in fact accurate, it isn’t hard to figure out that the Republicans will try to take full credit for the recovery.
      They’ll claim that it was the budget cutting and tax cuts that finally brought an end to the recession. Remember, you heard it here first.

  3. Dominick Vila May 16, 2013

    It is not so much that Republicans will not stop or be impressed by the economic gains and the spending reductions we have made, what they are actually doing is taking credit for turning around the economy and reducing the deficit. This after 4.5 years of saying no and blocking every attempt to create jobs!

    1. Sand_Cat May 16, 2013

      Unfortunately, the spending reductions are no doubt one of the reasons the recovery has been so slow. That and the tax cuts that sucked up a lot of the money in the “stimulus,” even though tax cuts haven’t stimulated much of anything lately except the greed of the Republicans and their patrons.

      1. angelsinca May 17, 2013

        “the spending reductions are no doubt one of the reasons the recovery has been so slow.”

        There is plenty of doubt. We do know that excess spending increases the debt. You already have Bernake dumping $80 billion a month supposedly to lower the UE rate and hold back inflation. UE is still high, the jobs outlook is still bleak, and housing costs have inflated by 40%. Good job.

        1. Independent1 May 22, 2013

          “Jobs outlook is bleak” – what a farce!!! How can you make such a comment when you’ve liived through 8 dysmal job creation years under two Bushes??? George Bush averaged creating 31,500 jobs/month for 8 years which was the worst job creation record since the Big Depression aside from that of Bush Sr. Obama has averaged creating 208,000 jobs/month over the past year; that’s almost 2.5 million jobs – Bush jr. only created 3.1 million jobs in 8 YEARS, COUnt them!! 3.1 million jobs in 8 years!!! Almost as many jobs have been created in the past YEAR that Bush Jr. created in 8 years!!! Get a life!!!!!!!!!!

          1. angelsinca May 22, 2013

            Jobs has two parts. Jobs CREATED and Jobs LOST. Net jobs gained is probably a more accurate indicator of jobs performance.

          2. Independent1 May 22, 2013

            By the way, Yes, get a life – get your head out of your rear end so you can see some light and actually live – and not walk around in a pipedream!!!!!

          3. angelsinca May 22, 2013

            You are have become too personal and unnecessrily insulting. But, it’s not your fault. If my pertinent station in life was the comment section of a liberal blog, I too would become unkind and derisive.

          4. Independent1 May 22, 2013

            I apologize for getting personal, but your responses have become so close-minded and tunnel-vision that it’s hard for me to think of any other way to let you know that you’re letting the American MAfia (aka the GOP) hoodwink you into being robbed by every devious trick they can come up with; be it cutting taxes that favor the rich, trying and sometimes passing legislation that gives huge subsidies to corporations that don’t need them because they are making billions in profits and paying no taxes (in any given year more than 300 Fortune500 corporations pay ZERO in income taxes), or legislaltion with caveats like ‘the government can’t negotiate drug prices’ so the drug industry can rob the elderly blind) or by starting wars that allow all the GOP’s rich donors with any ties to the defense industry to rape the American taxpayers – like Haliburton charging $100/gallon to gas up jeeps during the Iraq war. What other FACTs do you need before people like you will wake up?????????

          5. angelsinca May 22, 2013

            Thank you. Points well taken. Appreciate you consider my opinion important enough to sway.

            Though I agree with the highlighted negative doings by the gop as nothing to be proud of, and should be corrected, the motives aren’t as egregious as you paint them. Such as, aiding the drug companies to rob the elderly or abetting the ‘rape’ of the taxpayers. Without specific proof of willful intent to rob or rape, these are just political slams to attack and discredit.

            Even though you portray republicans as too stupid to tie their own shoes, you still manage to identify them as cunning and clever, intent on tricking the nation and democrats into aiding their supposed evil doings. Which is it?

            Examples of $100/gal fuel and zero net taxes (such as Apple’s) are individual issues that should be corrected by revising the tax code and auditing contractor expenses, not used as ammunition to demonstrate that the entire GOP is therefore corrupt.

            Besides, whatever the GOP is accused of doing, it is most likely a democrat has done the same or worse. When you ignore your own reflection in the mnirror, I understand and it is is normal. But, it is still dishonest and paints a jaded picture of reality. If one’s reality is that they can do no wrong, then delusion has overtaken reason and there is no point to march any further in that direction.

            BOTH parties are guilty of procedural malfeasance in Congress and the Senate, and of introducing legislation that benefit themselves personally. Such as Pelosi’s favored tax treatment of manufacturers in Guam to increase her wealth in her husband’s holdings there. There are ample examples on both sides.

            But, focusing only on the downside is a waste of everybody’s time if solutions are truly the goal. Otherwise we are stuck in a gridlock of ideals and just wagging our tongues at each other, without actually solving anything.

            If it seems I am narrow minded and have blinders on, it is only because I am ignoring the BS. When there is a lot of it, I don’t pay much attention to most everything else. cheers. thx for your time.

          6. angelsinca May 22, 2013

            “Get a life!!!!!!!!!!”

            Calm down. I have a life. And it doesn’t involve disingenuous manipulation of data to support a biased narrative by picking points in time to maximize improvement for Obama while minimalizing improvement for Bush. You omit telling data while making inaccurate comparisons. Nevermind you offer no source or opportunity to verify the exaggarated claims. Of course, because it isn’t honest. In civil engineering, this practice is called tolerance stacking and will make you libelous in criminal prosecutions when it hides propensity for failure of something like a bridge or structure. In cost accounting, it is not only unprofessional and dishonest, but fraudulent, and would likely get you fired from any ethical accounting firm or Programs office dealing with gov’t cost controls, and possible jail time for the fraud. But it would probably result in a performance bonus with this white house. Good job!

          7. Independent1 May 22, 2013

            I’m not exaggerating any data – the numbers I quoted come directly from the department of labor. And you know why the net jobs didn’t increase faster over the past 4 years?? Because of guys like Romney and companies like Bain – buying up companies that were in distress during the downturn and shipping the American jobs overseas. Mitt Romney has been by far a greater American-Job destroyer than he was ever an American-job creator. And to me, what’s especially sad is that he was puprosely going around shipping American jobs overseas during a difficult time for America – CARING BY FAR MORE FOR HIS POCKETBOOK THAN FOR THE COUNTRY!!

            Do you know why Mitt was so adamant about Obama not going ahead with the auto bailout?? Because Mitt and his buddy Paul Singer wanted to see GM and Chrysler founder so they could buy out the two companies for a song just like they were doing to the auto industries largest small parts maker – Delphi (that used to be Delco). Below are excerpts from an article that will give you a little flavor as to why net jobs created didn’t come up as fast as they would have had CORPORATE PIRACY BEEN ILLEGAL AS IT SHOULD BE!!!!! (Mitt was actually doing this in the last week before the election when he was running around tauting how many American jobs he was going to create – what rubbish!!!! What a traitor!!!!

            Romney has slammed the bailout as a payoff to the auto workers union. But that certainly wasn’t true for the bailout of Delphi. Once the hedge funders, including Singer—a deep-pocketed right-wing donor and activist who serves as chair of the conservative, anti-union Manhattan Institute—took control of the firm, they rid Delphi of every single one of its 25,200 unionized workers.

            By the end of June 2009, with the bailout negotiations in full swing, the hedge funds, under Singer’s lead, used their bonds to buy up a controlling interest in Delphi’s stock. According to
            SEC filings, they paid, on average, an equivalent of only 67 cents per share.

            Of the twenty-nine Delphi plants operating in the United States when the hedge funders began buying up control, only four remain, with not a single union production worker. Romney’s “job creators” did create jobs—in China, where Delphi now produces the parts used by GM and other major automakers here and abroad. Delphi is now incorporated overseas, leaving the company with 5,000 employees in the United States (versus almost 100,000 abroad).

            Third Point’s Daniel Loeb, whose net worth of $1.3 billion owes much to his share in the Delphi windfall, told his fund’s backers this past July that Delphi remains an excellent investment
            because it has “virtually no North American unionized labor” and, thanks to US taxpayers, “significantly smaller pension liabilities than almost all of its peers.”

  4. Alfred Sonnenstrahl May 16, 2013

    Obama is to be applauded for improving economy despite the Republicans questionable discriminatory tactics.

    1. angelsinca May 17, 2013

      “despite the Republicans questionable discriminatory tactics.”

      Please describe these ‘discriminatory’ tactics of the GOP on the grounds of race, age, or sex. There is ample evidence the progressive ridicules and disregards the aged, especially non-minority male conservatives. Please clarify your comment.

      1. 4sanity4all May 21, 2013

        they discriminate against the poor and middle class. They claim that we didn’t ‘build it’.

  5. latebloomingrandma May 16, 2013

    Imagine how the economy would take off if Obama could actually get his agenda implemented—-infrastructure, education, energy. The Republicans will spend the 3 years investigating “scandals.”

    1. angelsinca May 17, 2013

      We already tried that with multiple stimuli. Obama’s pick of business sectors to prop up didn’t work out too well. Want to try again and maybe get a different result?

      1. latebloomingrandma May 17, 2013

        Actually the stimulus worked pretty well, but we needed to continue on the same track. You need to read “The New, New Deal”, by Michael Grunwald. (investigative journalist) The amount of fraud/abuse was < 0.001%–actually pretty remarkable for such a large amount of money. His information is well documented. The few failures, such as Solyndra occurred due to market forces–you know, capitalism. Government, by nature, is supposed to be non-profit, but we do need to spend money, i.e., investment. If we would have followed the Republican austerity model right after the economic implosion, we would indeed be in deep doo-doo like Greece.

        1. angelsinca May 17, 2013

          Thank you for the recommendation. I’ll find it, read it and trade opinions with you.

          btw: I’m wary to accept the prediction that we ‘would have’ ended up like Greece had the republican austerity model been implemented. Other predictions were also made regarding a host of positive effects from stimuli spending, but those didn’t come true either. Of course the big excuse is ‘not enough was spent’ (as the debt grows and credit rating plummets).

          All I know is the national debt is enormous and everyone agreed to address it. Yet, republicans are blamed for ‘causing’ everything from consulate attacks to dying babies because they stepped up to the plate to make the tough choices. Can’t win for losing.

          1. Independent1 May 22, 2013

            Sorry, but the national debt today is not ENORMOUS when you compare it to our GDP – it’s at about the same debt to GDP ratio as when Truman brought it down from 117% to 73.5 percent after WWII. And at around 70%, America’s debt to GDP is the lowest of any similarly industrialized nation on the planet – virtually every other similar country to America runs a debt to GDP of over 80% – Canada’s is arond 87% and Japan’s is over 100%. Not that we shouldn’t try to bring it down, but it is not ENORMOUS in the correct context!!!!!!!!!!!

        2. angelsinca May 17, 2013

          “You need to read “The New, New Deal”, by Michael Grunwald.”

          I fast tracked through Grunwald’s work by visiting some of the many thorough and concise reviews for the book. This one, I felt, is closest to the perception I generated while absorbing other reviews (apologies for its length):

          “This is the second book I have read on the Recovery Act and in my opinion, “Money Well Spent?” by Michael Grabell is a much better account of the Recovery Act’s origin, implementation, and effectiveness. Both authors ultimately agree that the stimulus was necessary and effective, but Grabell goes about his work seriously and with an admirably neutral perspective.

          Grunwald is snarky and hopelessly one-sided even as he proclaims on page 21 to be providing the “real story” of the stimulus. From the very start, Grunwald’s book is a sunshine and roses account of the stimulus and President Obama’s first term in office.

          The prominent theme of the book is that Obama’s policies were undoubtedly correct, but his administration is not skillful enough at politics to make the public understand how thankful it should be.

          On page 19 Grunwald begins lamenting “the just-say-no extremism of the right, the unquenchable ingratitude of the left . . . the gotcha games of the media.” This is very exhausting over 455 pages. Grundell is very much a cheerleader and particularly telling is his unwillingness to even let other Democrats criticize the President. For example, on page 417 Grunwald reports on his interview/debate with then Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell in which Rendell challenges Obama’s effectiveness and Grunwald quotes himself defending the President to Rendell while in Rendell’s office. The thrust of Grunwald’s reporting is that no one in America really understands the true merits of the stimulus except administration officials and Grunwald himself.

          Grunwald conducted over 400 interviews and most of the quotations he uses have cites, but he gets a bit sloppy at times when he wants to make a dramatic point. For example, on page 421 he quotes John Boehner declaring “So be it” in response to “independent economists warn[ing] that the GOP plans for sharp short-term spending cuts would kill hundreds of thousands more jobs.” Grunwald does not provide a cite to this quote, but in the full statement by Boehner he was responding to a question about the possibility of federal government jobs being cut, after 200,000 new government hires in the two years after the 2008 election.

          In essence, Grunwald left out all the details, including meaningful context and a citation to the full statement in order to portray Republicans as the enemies of private sector job creation. This is not good journalism and it is not fair to readers who do not have the time or energy to fact check Grunwald’s assertions. Grunwald also has no citation for his claim on page 454 that the federal deficit “hasn’t increased under Obama.” That sounds good, but it ignores and downplays the very serious $5T in new debt added during Obama’s first term. It is in these bizarre moments that Grunwald forfeits so much of his credibility that the value of his book is seriously diminished.

          I recognize that this review will receive lots of negative votes because it is critical of a one-sided story, but I hope it was helpful in tempering readers’ expectations of this book. Basically, your feelings about the President, love or hate, will largely mirror your feelings about this book. But, if you are in the political middle, I strongly suggest Grabell’s “Money Well Spent?” instead because it puts its effort into reporting, not in forcing conclusions upon the reader. “

          1. latebloomingrandma May 17, 2013

            Wow. that was fast work. I’ll put your suggested book on my reading list. Thanks. Grunwald’s book was easy reading, yes he got a little sarcastic at times, but I did like the little bit of humor. I didn’t watch the citations as closely.

          2. angelsinca May 17, 2013

            You’re welcome. Hope to read it myself… thanks again.

  6. David Turrentine May 16, 2013

    The idiots in the Republican Party, particularly T-partiers, actually think that Greece is the result of overspending. If they understood that none of the Southern European Countries would be in their current situation if they had their own independent currencies.

    1. angelsinca May 17, 2013

      You failed to blame the GOP for the civil unrest in Greece when the government had to stop the free handouts to an entitlement-conditioned public that demanded benefits and higher wages and infrastructure expenditures they couldn’t afford. Please don’t bring the republicans down to your level of half truths and lack of disclosure.

  7. disqus_ivSI3ByGmh May 16, 2013

    Please remember that the Republicans have never let facts get in the way of their fear-mongering and obstructionism.

    1. angelsinca May 17, 2013

      Never heard that before. Yawn.

  8. Allan Richardson May 16, 2013

    How many Republicans does it take to change a light bulb? Forget it, only LIBERALS care about dangerous ideas like change and seeing clearly!

    1. angelsinca May 17, 2013

      While you were busy caring about change and whining about the GOP, the Republicans actually changed the light bulb and brought everyone out of the dark. Of course, LIBERALS challenged them on using the ‘correct’ bulb type.

  9. Darsan54 May 16, 2013

    Having no connection to any objective reality, the Republicans will again try to destroy the economy in the name of ideological purity.

    1. angelsinca May 17, 2013

      Yes, of course. That is The Goal, as laid out in the ultra uber secret plan to tear down the nation. Here’s your tin foil. Lol

      1. 4sanity4all May 21, 2013

        Here’s the thing. The GOP today thinks that if they micro manage and control everyone, and stubbornly refuse to compromise until they get their way, that they will WIN! They fail to think through the effect of what they want to do, and that is why they are dangerous. Sure, it is a good idea to reduce spending for Medicare. The GOP way to do it is to slash spending across the board, never projecting how that will hurt recipients. The Presidents way was to cut mismanagement, waste, and fraud, which saved billions of dollars. Personally, I think Obamas way was great for our country. People were not denied services, but crooks were denied a ride on the gravy train. Win-win.

        1. angelsinca May 21, 2013

          “I think Obamas way was great for our country.”

          It was up to Congress to approve the president’s budget request. Apparently, both Democrats and Republicans felt the white house plan wasn’t so good.

          1. Independent1 May 22, 2013

            Let’s set this record straight too – the reason the Dems haven’t voted for Obama’s budgets in the house recently because the GOP reformats them and doesn’t provide details when they present the budgets for votes – they only list overall categories so those voting can’t really tell what they’d be voting for – just one more way the GOP has learned how to play dirty pool!!!

          2. angelsinca May 22, 2013

            They ALL play dirty pool. If true, any Dem with character would refuse to vote, demanding the scoundrels cease the practice.

          3. Independent1 May 22, 2013

            Yeah! They all play politics but not to the extent that the GOP has carried it! Do you realize that from the time the GOP got control of Congress in mid 1990s that they didn’t allow the Dems to bring even 1 bill up for a vote until the Dems temporarily reclaimed control of the House in 2006 – FOR OVER 10 YEARS!! And do realize that since Obama was elected that the GOP has used the filibuster rule in the Senate over 400 times to prevent even 1 piece of legislation that they weren’t in favor of coming up for a vote in the Senate??? They’ve used the filibuster rule more times over the past 4 years than it was used since a DEM canned the word back in 1859. Now if you don’t think that’s not overly dirty pool – you have to be blinder than even I think you are.

          4. angelsinca May 22, 2013

            “Now if you don’t think that’s not overly dirty pool ”

            uh, I agreed they all play dirty. It remains irrelevant that one spends more time in the dirt than the other. They’re all dirty. Pretty much evertything else you present is just excuse after excuse to justify blame of the GOP and deride attention of low performance of the DNC. You sanitize all any democrat culpability by ignoring it. Half truths are usually half lies.

          5. Independent1 May 22, 2013

            Talk about making excuses, you haven’t rebutted one thing I’ve said with any facts. List me some facts about what the DNC has done over the past 15 years that have harmed America – because I can list you tons of things the RNC (the GOP has donel that has done just that) As starters – starting two unwarranted unfunded wars based on lies and deliberately ignoring warnings of attacks that were coming which ended up killing almost 10,000 Americans. Passing two unwarranted/unfunded tax cuts that together with the wars drove up our debt more in 8 years than it had been increased since Teddy Roosevelt was in office. passing an unfunded drug benefit giveaway to the drug industry that was intended to do more for lining the pocket of drug industry donors to the GOP than it was to helping Americans and which has also contributed to running up our debts, and on and on. So lets hear some of these terrible things the Dems have done over the past 13 years. Some facts, not just platitudes.

          6. Independent1 May 22, 2013

            And while I’m waiting for those facts, let me give you some FACTs about a president you probably revere being a GOP lover – Ronnie Baby: Here’s just a few:

            1.First to turn America into a DEBTOR nation.
            2. First to increase DEBT faster than growth of national income in eight years.
            3. First to increase DEBT faster than growth of GDP over eight years.
            4. First to double the deficit in just eight years.
            5. First to “almost”: triple the national DEBT in just eight years.
            6. First to increase SPENDING by 80%–over 8 years.
            7. First to SPEND more in eight years than was spent in prior 50 years.
            8. First to have “real” INTEREST RATES of 8% after averaging 1% over 35 years.
            9. First to keep PRIME INTEREST RATES at 20%.
            10. First to over value the dollar to the Yen at
            rate of 262 yen to $1
            11. First to have served as Governor and increase
            spending by 112%
            12. First to have home loan interest rates as
            high as 16%
            13. First to cut taxes by 60% for his rich pals
            14. First to “deal” with terrorists.
            15. First to bust a union and then appoint union haters to run the department of labor which began the deterioration of the of the workplace; corporations care more now for the bottom line than doing what’s right for the people who work for them.
            16. . First to set a record for the largest one day percentage
            decline of the Dow – 10-19-87
            17. First to have over $10,000,000 increase in wealth from
            serving 8 years as president

          7. angelsinca May 22, 2013

            We now know how to get your attention; refuse to play the “my numbers are better than your numbers!” game. Again, you tailor the data to steer the debate. After being well paid to play that number fu-king game for over 15 years, I woke up one morning and said I have better things to do. I have since moved on to pursuits with tangible rewards that can only be realized with honest work. Today feels like that.

          8. angelsinca May 22, 2013

            Impressive list. Someone actually spent the time to create all those staistics to fit an anti-GOP storyline. I don’t see how most of this is anything a president controls or how ANY of this is relevant to now, except to draw attention away from the present. Suggest listing and promoting the POSITIVE things your party has done/is doing now to prevent a repeat of past mistakes by others & friends in kind. You might even convince your conservative audience that some good is actually being accomplished by the present leadership.

  10. howa4x May 16, 2013

    The republicans live in a bubble so they only talk in bubblese. They are talking only to their base which is now the tea party, who are not smart enough to understand a person like Paul Krugman, a Nobel prize winner. He is talking rationally and the republicans are talking politically so there is a disconnect. The tea party only understands slogans and simple sayings like drill baby drill. Secondly they by and large are racist to their core so republicans can never give Obama credit for anything

    1. angelsinca May 17, 2013

      After witnessing the criteria for a peace prize, the significance of the Nobel award has become nothing more than a novelty.

      BTW: you appear as a real genius by grasping at the race card to try to explain the Obama opposition. Imagine republican opposition to Obama because they simple don’t like his politics, as introduced with the handling of the ppACA passage and the demonizing of republicans at every opportunity. But, this would take on ounce of honesty and determined brain cell activity.

      1. howa4x May 17, 2013

        Ok angel lets say for one moment that the tealiban is not racist. Then why put up posters with Obama sitting in a mud hut in a grass skirt with a bone in his nose at all their rallies? Maybe you think that is just cute.
        The ACA was put into place because all you good Christians in the republican party allowed 32 million to be uninsured resulting in 50,000 deaths per year due to lack of access. I wonder what Jesus would have done? It is not tyranny to buy health insurance. This plan that Obama is using was put in place by then governor Romney(republican) in Massachusetts, and dreamed up by the heritage foundation a republican think tank. The basis of it is personal responsibility. This shows me that you have no understanding about healthcare macro economics, or even what the ACA is.. Every state ruled by either party makes you buy car insurance so where are all the 3 corner hats at state capitals? Why is that not government tyranny?The deficit for the 1st time is shrinking, the stock market has climbed to the highest level ever, and unemployment has fallen to the lowest level since the last year of the Bush administration, What a terrible job Obama is doing lol

        1. angelsinca May 17, 2013

          “why put up posters with Obama sitting in a mud hut in a grass skirt with a bone in his nose at all their rallies…?”

          I agree the poster has a racist slant. In liberal terms, this must translate to everyone in the T.E.A. party is racist. uh-huh.

          Accordingly, you have successfully claimed that Christians are ACA-hating mass murderers at 50,000 detahs per year. Just keep the recognition award since, at over 900,000 interrupted pregnancies last year, you retain the mass murdering honors. ugh there’s more.

          “It is not tyranny to buy health insurance”

          True. But, forcing ‘some’ people to buy it while the politcal elite are exempted is. And no, it is NOT the plan in MA. That was an experiment that had failed and refuted by Romney. But, democrats refused to acknowledge that ‘advice’. If the ppACA turned into a lemon, the republicans could be blamed. It did, you have.

          Compelling people to buy car insurance is not government tyranny. It is the insurance companies demonstrating they have bought your elected officials with superb through diligent lobbying and campaign support. Go team Obama.

          1. howa4x May 18, 2013

            So you deny that all during the Bush administration there was 32 million lacking insurance? Buying insurance is the republican plan, and the democratic one was for a public option, which would have cut the insurance companies and wall st out. Republicans couldn’t have that since they receive funding from them. Where did you get the stat that 900,000 women interrupted their pregnancy? You think they all had abortions? It is not the democratic party that runs on the Christ platform, it is the republicans who voted to keep tax breaks for corporate jets while cutting programs that put food in children’s mouths. Very Christian of them don’t you think? I’m a registered independent and think the democrats are no angels either, but the republicans only govern for big business and try to loosen environmental laws, financial regulation and any other thing that constrains business. I have no fear because the next generation coming up has gay friends and want strong environmental protections and want chemicals out of the food supply and none of them support the republicans.

          2. angelsinca May 18, 2013

            Haven’t ‘denied’ anything. I agree w/the public option. The 900k number is low-it is rounded downward.

            www dot numberofabortions dot com

            There have already been 457k in the US this year. Applying Christian standards to political actions is convenient to make a point but seems contrary to the liberal’s repulsion for religion in gov’t, or anywhere for that matter; They consider themselves too intelligent to accept it’s role in humanity.

          3. howa4x May 18, 2013

            There is no political party that adheres to Christian values. The republicans claim they do, but they support greed over any other value. Paul Ryan has copies of Atlas Shrugged handed out to everyone he meets. It is written by an atheist named Ayn Rand. She support a selfishness that is contrary to everything Jesus preached, a culture of greed which the tea party supports. They back the Koch bros worth 31 billion apiece, who fund them, and ask the TP to deregulate environmental regulations which they try to do on their behalf. Why? To despoil the drinking water for future generations?. To make them richer? How much more wealth could they accumulate? Is this what is done in the name of Jesus, to ruin the environment for all time so the very few can benefit and the children can suffer? Is this your interpretation of the essence of Christianity? If it is I want no part of it.

          4. 4sanity4all May 21, 2013

            Don’t worry, Christianity is cool. It is just the ignorant people who cherry pick parts of it to control others, and deny them the right to make up their own mind about anything that make it look bad. Trust me, Jesus would not be cool with what these fools claim to be doing in his name.

          5. howa4x May 21, 2013


          6. 4sanity4all May 21, 2013

            The liberals are the ones that want to house the homeless and feed the poor. Sounds a lot like what Jesus would have done to me. The conservatives only quote the Bible when they want the government to micro-manage our lives, never mind that we are supposed to have separation of church and state so that every citizen can form their own conscience. This concept offends the tea partiers. They really do not understand what the USA is really all about.

  11. Sand_Cat May 16, 2013

    And this is a surprise because?

  12. angelsinca May 17, 2013

    The national debt is STILL INCREASING by $378 billion a year now. Continuing to amass debt through deficit spending is not a difficult math problem. It took a lot of hard work and shared pain to reduce the annual deficit from the $1.5T in 2008. Why would a reasonable person want to erase those efforts or deny the harm of added debt?

    The billions in additional interest payments due to the faultered credit rating from the huge debt is by itself enough to finance the social dreams of the progressive. Do you really want to continue down a path of compounding an INCREASING debt by raising the debt limit again?

    1. 4sanity4all May 21, 2013

      “The non partisan Congressional Budget Office is predicting this year’s deficit will be the smallest since 2008.” Did you read the article? What part of that do you not understand?

      1. angelsinca May 21, 2013

        I did read this article and others concerning the dire budget situation. Of course, you are aware that a deficit is not the debt, and that continued deficit spending only adds to the accumulated debt.

        According to the White House’s own Office of Management and Budget (OMB), the gross nat’l debt was $10.0 trillion at the end of FY ’08. Senator Obama spoke then about how irresponsible it was to carry THAT debt. At the end of FY ’13, the debt is estimated to become $17.3 Trillion and rising. Just before the end of Obama’s second term, in Aug 2016, the OMB estimates he will leave behind a debt of $20.0 Trillion.

        More troublesome is that these projections are based on assumptions of stellar GDP growth of almost 20% in the next 3 years and a reduction in the UE rate to near 6.0% from a stagnated 7.5%, and a DOUBLING of the 10 year US treasury rate.

        So, the champagne shouldn’t be cracked open, not based on a brief article that says the 2013 deficit is pojected to be LOWER than it was in 2008 (woo hoo). The debt is still huge and growing, even with the ‘good news’.

        1. Independent1 May 22, 2013

          Nice try but no cigar – I love the way you conservatives love to short change the discussion on the deficit. Let’s set the right picture:
          America’s worst president ever (Ronnie baby) inherited a defict from Carter that was 800 billion. Ronnie baby managed to virtually triple the deficit in 8 years passing a 2.3 trillion deficit on to Bush Sr who proceeded to almost double the debt in 4 years to 4.3 trillion. Despite the fact that Clinton held deficit spending almost flat, actually governing with surplus budets toward the end of his term, interest on the deficit increased it to 4.9 trillion. So Georgie Baby inherited a defict of 4.9 trillion which he more than doubled in his 8 years increasing it to 10.6 trilllion when he left office on 1/20/09, But UNFORTUNATELY that wasn’t the end for Georgie Baby – he managed to amass the largest deficit budget in history which included 1.6 trillion of additional spending that he passed on to Obama (Georgie’s 10/1/08 to /9/30/09 budget). So effectively, Georgie increased the 4.9 trillion deficit he inherited from Clinton to 12.3 trillion which Obama could do nothing about. But that’s not even the worst of it, along with the 1.6 trillion budget, Georgie passed onto Obama and economy that was in the process of total collapse and would end up losing 14 million jobs and thousands of companies that had just gone belly up that would not be contributing tax revenues for years. So despite the fact that Obama virtually ended the downward slide of economic collapse – in the amazing time of less than 7 mos – there was no way to realistically stop the deficit from increasing – So Georgie Baby is clearly responsible for at least another 2-3 trillion of the 4 trillion increase under Obama from 12.3 trtillion to 16.3 trillion at the end of Obama’s 1st term. (Less than 1 trillion of deficit spending can be attributed to legislation that Obama has actually signed).

          Now lets look at the debt. Despite what you call enormous debt, America’s debt to GDP ratio is the lowest of any industrialized nation on the planet. Since about 5.5 trillion of America’s debt is internal debt – debt the government owes to itself – America’s debt to GDP ratio is now around 70%, which is actually lower than it was 2 years ago when it was around 73-74%. Although the deficit has increased since then, America’s growth in GDP has actually increased faster than the debt. Virtually every other industrialized nation on the planet operates with a debt to GDP of over 80%, even Canada’s is around 87% and Japan’s is over 100%. At the end of WWII America’s debt to GDP was actually 117% and we survived because Truman brought it down to around 73% – just about where it is today. And aside from Eisenhower, who kept it low, and Nixon who brought it down slightly during his 1st term, every other GOP president since Eisenhower has increased Amnerica’s debt to GDP and every Democrat president has reduced the ratio – including Obama!!!!
          And Obama has reduced the deficit spending he inherited from Georgie Baby faster than it’s been reduced since Truman reduced it after WWII!!!!!!!!

          And you probably aren’t going to believe this, but guess what president over the past 60 plus years has brought America’s debt to GDP ratio to its lowest level – Jimmy Carter – he brought the debt to GDP down to 32.5% – and it’s from there that the the drunken sailor triumverate of Reagan and the two Bushes have wreaked their havoc!!!!!!!!

          1. angelsinca May 22, 2013

            If you go back further, say another 110 years, you can probably make the data look even better by starting with the massive debt accumulated during Lincoln’s reign. Despite redefining what the meaning of debt is, by looking at it through GDP mirrors and pushing it back on Bush’s lap, the debt is still over $17 trillion and growing. With lipstick, it ‘could’ be much less, it you only believe….if you only believe.

          2. Independent1 May 22, 2013

            Wow! You’ll go to any stretch to keep those blinders on won’t you!! You really are clueless and desperate when like so many Republicans you put on those blinders and revert to your tunnel vision by dispelling facts just like the GOP is doing with Global Warming.

            Tell me, what downside is there to believing in Global Warming??

            Is it that doing something to stop global warming may create jobs? Something that the GOP apparently doesn’t believe we need? Is that believing in global warming may dispell some kind of mystique that the scientific community might have that dispells misguided GOP notions?? What is it that keeps GOPers from believing in global warming that may be disasterous from the planet and human beings??? I can’t think of a thing – am I missing something??

            What I’m not missing is that there is an ENORMOUS DOWNSIDE to not believing in Global Warming and being wrong!! Destruction of the human race!!!! And then what!!!
            What if the GOP (Global Warming Deniers) are wrong and they delay doing something about it until it’s too late??? What then??? Does the GOP have some secret way of getting to another planet that they haven’t told anyone about?? Because if they’re wrong – the entire world is going to pay for their mistake!!!

            There’s no downside to believing in Global Warming other than maybe costing a little money (which GOPers don’t seem to realize could be an enormous profit making opportunity); but there is an enormous downside in not believing and BEING WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! DEATH OF HUMANITY AND MAYBE ALL LIFE ON EARTH!!!!!!!!!!

          3. angelsinca May 22, 2013

            there is an ENORMOUS DOWNSIDE to not believing in Global Warming…Destruction of the human race!!!! And then what!!!

            That took longer than normal to drag global warning out of the arsenal of liberal talking points. I never mentioned it. But, since you brought it up, I have not taken a firm stance on the issue yet. But, as the time passes and more studies invalidate and dismantle the GW claims, the more the enitre issue seems like just another mechanism to raise revenue thru fines and carbon taxes while instilling contrived fear to force compliance with progressive agenda. When 90 percent of the effort targets less than 10% perecent of the problem, it reveals a pursuit of ideologies.

          4. Independent1 May 22, 2013

            You get more absurd by the answer.

        2. 4sanity4all May 22, 2013

          And the debt will never be brought down as long as the Republicans refuse to raise any taxes to raise revenue. Taxes are at the lowest level in generations, and that is a factor in wrecking our economy. As long as large corporations are able to get away with paying no taxes, the rest of us will suffer.

          1. angelsinca May 22, 2013

            “… the debt will never be brought down as long as the Republicans refuse to raise any taxes to raise revenue.”

            Actually, they have. They just won’t raise them to the point of bankrupting every company and every American, equally. The problem with taxing the evil large corporations is that it effects the wages of those that work for them and the cost of the products they produce. It ends up being an indirect tax to the middle class. Nevermind the use of tax as a punitive measure to affect social change. We ALL end up being punished for it.

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