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Endorse This: Susan Sarandon Is ‘More Afraid’ Of Clinton Than Trump

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In an interview a few weeks ago with MSNBC’s Chris Hayes, actress and activist Susan Sarandon ruffled more than a few feathers by asserting that “some people feel that Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately, if he gets in. Then things will really, you know, explode.”

Sarandon said later that the ensuing media frenzy took her words out of context, but regardless of if she meant that Donald Trump’s ideas were compatible with Bernie Sanders’s “political revolution” — she doesn’t sound like much of a Trump fan — the damage was done: Sarandon became the face of the #BernieOrBust movement, which claims as a foundational principle that Hillary Clinton just isn’t acceptable as the Democratic nominee.

Yesterday, in an interview with Stephen Colbert, Sarandon continued to ride the line between condoning Trump and vowing never to support the Clinton campaign.

“How can I go back with her? I don’t trust her,” Sarandon said of Clinton’s support of the $15 minimum wage law in New York. Clinton supports a $12 federal minimum wage, and higher minimums at the state and local level where voters want them.

“I’m more afraid of, actually, Hillary Clinton’s war record and her hawkishness than I am of building a wall,” Sarandon said later, after Colbert asked about her interview with Hayes.

“But that doesn’t mean that I would vote for Trump.”

Maybe not, and maybe Sarandon is still genuine when she says that she believes Sanders will win the Democratic nomination.

But the systematic downplaying of the seriousness of Donald Trump’s proposals — especially by celebrities like Sarandon, who won’t face Trump’s “deportation force,” a very real proposal which we must assume he will really employ — doesn’t reflect well on her or the #BernieOrBust movement.

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  1. laurele April 28, 2016

    Great redheaded actresses think alike! I’m Plutogirl, and I approve of this message. If Bernie doesn’t get the nomination, I’m either going to write him in or vote for Green Party candidate Jill Stein. #NeverHillary

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    1. Elliott Hankin April 28, 2016

      Id vote for anyone else just to keep Hillary OUT.

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      1. northstate April 28, 2016

        Well, Elliott, go volunteer to knock on doors for Trump right now. The race will be Clinton v. Trump. No other candidate matters at this point. So get your yard poster for Trump, your Tee Shirt with his name on it, and get out there and volunteer for a fraudulent billionaire with 4 bankruptcies to his name. He left a lot of working people in the dirt when he declared himself a bankrupt. He lives off of a trust fund created by his father; he has never had a job, nor has he ever accomplished anything to qualify him to be a leader of the free world. He has never held office; he doesn’t know anything about government; he can’t even find a decent wig. But, you get out there and push this idiot; Naderites will understand your feckless enthusiasm for a loser. They managed to put Bush in office.

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      2. jmprint April 28, 2016

        Your loss.

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    2. PWS April 28, 2016

      so you would look forward to a Trump presidency? Because that’s what the consequence would be.

      Didn’t a lot of Democrats try that with the Green Party in 2000? How did you like the results?

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      1. Morganne MacDonald April 28, 2016

        Look up who voted for Bush and blame those who voted for him for his presidency—and our interventionist Supreme Court. 300,000 Democrats crossed party lines to vote for Bush in Florida. Nader got only 24,000 votes there. Give them all to Gore and Bush still wins. Do not equate a vote FOR Sanders with a vote for Trump. If you want a less flawed candidate running as a Democrat, vote for Sanders and make him the nominee. Stop your wrong-headed fear mongering.

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        1. northstate April 28, 2016

          He has no chance. Is this a request to make a “protest” vote? In other words, throw away your vote in one of the most important elections in a long time. That sounds like a plan. No thank you. I remember the Gore v. Bush and Nader’s advice, similar to yours. Eight years of Bush and an unfunded war. There was more to that than you are talking about. It threw the election into the FL Superior Court; they threw it to Scalia who appointed Bush. It also allowed Scalia to let a bunch of ignorant bullies into the area where votes were being counted. You don’t know how many votes Gore had. The NY Times said he wouldn’t have won; they didn’t know either. At that time they had a hookup between a female columnist and Scooter Libby.

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        2. northstate April 28, 2016

          That is a bit of a stretch; 300,000 Florida voters left the beach long enough to vote for Bush? Where did you get that stat? As I recall, Florida opened so early that working people had to choose between losing their jobs, or voting. And then they closed so early that working people had to choose again between voting or leaving work early and maybe losing their jobs. Florida is out there on the margins of bad voting decisions. I have two friends who live there: the Democrat says it is always rigged in favor of Republicans; the Republican friends agrees and he likes that.

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        3. Independent1 April 29, 2016

          Where did you get that load of total hogwash?? Gore won the popular vote by almost 1.5 million votes. Jeb Bush and the SCOTUS stole the 2000 election; Bush did not win Florida legally.

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        4. PWS April 29, 2016

          That first assertion sounds like a myth that Nader supporters made up to comfort themselves. How could you possibly know that 300,000 democrats crossed party lines. And even if it were true, if Nader had not been in the race ( a race which he had no possibility of winning) his votes would have gone to Gore and Gore would have won easily. So yes, Nader’s candidacy was responsible for Bush gaining the presidency.

          But a person’s gotta do what a person’s gotta do. I appreciate how fervent Nader and Sanders are about their beliefs, and I agree with most of them.

          However. Sanders is not going to get the nomination, and you have to accept that. On the Republican side, all but one of the candidates were truly horrifying, and either the first or the second MOST horrifying one is going to get the nomination. just THINK of Trump as President. Even worse, think of the most detestable man in the US, ”Lucifer in the Flesh”, as President. If you can’t support even a flawed candidate under those circumstances, then you’re not considering the good of the country carefully enough.

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        5. PWS April 29, 2016

          By the way, I agree with you that Big Tony and the Supremes handed the election to Bush.

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        6. esmensetoo May 1, 2016

          A vote against Clinton in the general is still a vote against Clinton. A decision to not vote at all is a vote to not participate in the effort to put a progressive in office and maintain and build on the gains of the Obama administration.

          Lefties who won’t accept the reality that they live in a diverse country with people who have very different perspectives on the world than they — people that they have to argue, deal, compromise and otherwise contend with — are dopes.

          As a writer I admire has said “freedom doesn’t mean you get everything you want, it means no one gets everything they want.”

          People who don’t understand that, who want all or nothing, are useless for getting anything done in a diverse, vibrant democracy.

          I don’t care if they don’t want to participate in self-governance and can’t abide to mix with, except as whiny cranks, the large variety of other equally committed Americans who don’t see the world exactly like they do — but they are annoying when they from time to time decide to complain about and get in the way of improving things they have made no real effort to understand.

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    3. CrankyToo April 28, 2016

      I’d say “Plutogirl” is an apt moniker for you. You’re out there!

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      1. laurele May 1, 2016

        Hey, don’t trash my favorite planet!

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        1. CrankyToo May 2, 2016

          Planet? Pluto’s not even considered a planet anymore, is it?

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          1. laurele May 3, 2016

            Yes, it is considered a planet by a large number of planetary scientists, including most of the team of the New Horizons mission, which successfully flew a robotic spacecraft past Pluto last summer. Don’t believe everything you read in the mainstream media. Only four percent of the International Astronomical Union voted on the controversial demotion of Pluto, and most are not planetary scientists but other types of astronomers. Their decision was immediately opposed in a formal petition signed by several hundred planetary scientists led by New Horizons Principal Investigator Alan Stern.

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          2. CrankyToo May 3, 2016

            Gee, Mister Science! I stand corrected.

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    4. Hot Medusa April 28, 2016

      Yeah Plutogirl; you go right ahead and do that. And when President Trump is sworn into office, I better not catch you crying and whining about it…because you’ll only have yourself to blame.

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      1. laurele May 1, 2016

        Actually, no, I will have Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and the mainstream media to blame for trying to shove Hillary down our throats.

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    5. northstate April 28, 2016

      Jill Stein?!! Are you kidding? Which Party do you belong to? I am a life long Democrat; we probably don’t need more wingnuts, so just join the Greens, or whichever modern day equivalent of the Whigs you can find. You don’t sound very well informed. But then, you call yourself Plutogirl.

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      1. laurele May 1, 2016

        Just how does calling myself Plutogirl mean I’m not well informed?

        If Hillary is actually elected president, I will primary her myself in 2020.

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      2. laurele May 3, 2016

        I’m a lifelong progressive Democrat who votes in every election and even ran for office myself. I want the party to return to its New Deal roots, not this Clinton “New Democrat” that’s really Republican lite nonsense. As far as being well informed, Hillary doesn’t hold a candle to me. My information doesn’t come from the biased mainstream corporate media but from independent progressive sources. And I’m proud to call myself Plutogirl in celebration of my decade-long advocacy of Pluto’s planet status.

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  2. David L. Allison April 28, 2016

    So, she didn’t say what the story and headline and summary of the story all imply that she said. She is not asking Sanders supporters to vote for Trump or stay home. She is not a founder of the Sanders or Bust group. To say that Sarandon stands for any of those things is a lie and actually, a despicable lie as it misrepresents the positions of Clinton, Sanders and Sarandon.

    It is true, however that Sarandon does not trust Clinton to avoid war and cooperation with the military industrial complex. She and other voters might have that lack of trust based on last Sunday’s in-depth NYT story on Clinton’s ties to the most hawkish elements of current and past Pentagon officials.

    It is also true that Sarandon does not trust Clinton to keep her ‘mas a meno’ promise to support $15 universal minimum wage. That may be because Clinton does not support a $15 universal minimum wage either immediately or over time. She has clearly parsed out her ‘support’ for $15 to allow lower minimum wages in some locations, some industries and some businesses either over time or permanently.

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    1. northstate April 28, 2016

      Clinton supports 12.50, a more pragmatic goal. Possibly achievable. 15/hr is not. There are some rich coastal cities where that can be done, and is in Seattle. It does not fly all over the country. She will get the best deal out there. Sarandon is a rich actress in Westport, CT – who cares what she thinks about anything? Or her husband. I lived there for 33 yrs. Trust me, it is very rich and isolated from anything remotely poor. We had the first Barney’s NY branch store. Even the beach is private; you can’t go there without a town sticker. Or, you can pay a steep day sticker fee. That keeps out the riff raff from Norwalk, the working poor she pretends to care about. She is all mouth.

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      1. jmprint April 28, 2016

        She wants equality as long as it doesn’t effect her.

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        1. northstate April 28, 2016

          Clinton or Sarandon? Which she are you talking about. Clinton benefits by more equality and more voting rights, especially for minorities. Bernie has no support from blacks or Hispanics. Mr. “equality” Sanders flew home to Vermont on a 747 with only family members on board. He liked it. And, his wife has not released his recent tax returns; Hillary has released all of hers. We all know the Clintons are rich; we also know what they support; we also know Clinton is donating a lot of money down ballot, with George Clooney’s help. We don’t know what Bernie is going to do with several millions of dollars in unused donations. We do know that he has given some money to those Dems with whom he agrees. Other Dems, not so much. He is an ideologue and an angry old man. Hillary will give money to all Dems who need it.

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          1. jmprint April 28, 2016

            I was speaking of Susan.

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    2. jmprint April 28, 2016

      All the people that are wanting to raise the minimum wage is over a time spread, even Bernie.

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  3. Mary Bell Lockhart April 28, 2016

    Arrogant and purist and dishonest. Here’s the truth about Clinton that Sarandon ignores.
    http://www.rollcall.com/news/8-years-senate-votes-reveal-clinton
    Clinton has not been a salesperson or supporter of Monsanto, either.
    She’s wrong about Sanders, too. He doesn’t have a perfect record – guns, planting nuclear waste sites in Latino communities. He’s courted contributions from fat cats too from time to time. He is no saint, none of them are.

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    1. Elliott Hankin April 28, 2016

      No he isnt Mary but hes the least worrysome of the three

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      1. jmprint April 28, 2016

        And will get nothing accomplished. so what good does that do for America.

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      2. northstate April 28, 2016

        Sanders and Cruz are both disliked in the Senate, because they lecture, bully and try to tell other Senators how to vote. Cruz is just plain sleazy; Sanders is rather sad with his last hurrah attempt to get attention. He should support those Dems who need money for their campaigns; Hillary is supporting all of them who need funds. Sanders pokes around to see if they agree with him; if not, no money. And, he ended up in Vermont, because he didn’t want to be drafted. I had friends who went to Korea; friends and cousins who went to Viet Nam; my uncles were captains on carriers in WWII: Hornet and Enterprise, gone for four years. They left law school to enlist before they were drafted. My cousin joined the Marines and went to Viet Nam. What combat did Bernie serve in? The same one that Bush served in: the NE National Guard. Both phony – cowards.

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      3. Independent1 April 29, 2016

        Really?? Bernie is unelectable:

        Bernie Sanders’ Radical Past

        In 1980, Sanders served as an elector for the Socialist Workers Party, which was founded on the principles of Leon Trotsky. According to the New York Times, that party called for abolishing the military budget. It also called for “solidarity” with the revolutionary regimes in Iran, Nicaragua, Grenada, and Cuba; this was in the middle of the Iranian hostage crisis.

        If Sanders ever truly supported disbanding the Army and defunding the Defense Department, he abandoned these positions when he got into national politics. Nevertheless, Republicans will be able to run ads saying that Sanders was part of a communist political party that called for eliminating the military budget, and fact-checkers will not be able to contradict them.

        http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/02/bernie_sanders_radical_past_would_haunt_him_in_a_general_election.html

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  4. joeham1 April 28, 2016

    I’m more afraid of hillary being president then anyone else. She’s a liar and an opportunist. She can’t be trusted at all. True scum

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    1. jmprint April 28, 2016

      I totally disagree with you, on the last two sentences.

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      1. joeham1 April 28, 2016

        Of course you disagree. You’re a party affiliate. If you’re a rightie you go for whoever they put out there, if you’re a leftie you do the same. Hillary is a horrible person and candidate. Same as the Donald the clown. The lesser of 2 evils is Donald because he got rich in business, she got rich lying and cheating

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        1. jmprint April 28, 2016

          What you don’t consider is that Bill Clinton also makes a lot of money on speaking, as an ex-President, they pay him well. Their fortune is from both of them and with their previous positions, they are going to be on the circuit of speaking engagements for a long time. That does not make them evil., and no you cannot compare her to Trump as two evils. Trump is a natural hater. Trump is egotistic and thinks of NO ONE, but himself. Trump is about I, I, I and me, me, me. Hilliary, has a proven record of working for the people. The only difference between Bernie and Clinton is that Clinton has better experience in foreign policy, and at this day and age we need that in the White House, more importantly than the $15 minimum wage promise. It is not fair that people spread lies about her, just like the Benghazi BS. She is not a murderer, unless you have proven evidence, here say is not good enough. And for your information, this is the first year that I will vote Democrat all the way. I will NEVER again vote for a republican, they have proven to be a bunch of worthless, greedy, selfish, racist unproductive, unworthy of their pay and retirement.

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          1. joeham1 April 28, 2016

            Look, I get your party affiliation, and I don’t have a problem with that. If Bill was running I would vote for him for sure. Here’s what I can’t deal with. Her time as Secretary of state was a disaster. The world is on fire and she’s partly to blame. I don’t think she’s a murderer but she is part of the Washington establishment that is destroying the country. 19 trillion in debt and no hope of it going down. This year we have a 500 billion deficit and next year it will be over 600 billion. On a scale of 1 to 10 I give her a -20. I give Trump a -19. Don’t fool yourself both parties are worthless, greedy, selfish and so on. Even Bill Clinton said Obamas presidency has been a disaster and Hillary has vowed to continue with his policies with even more executive orders. If you haven’t figured it out yet our Government is broken and both parties are to blame. We have to do something different. If you watch Hillary in TV you can always tell when she lies and when she’s not. That’s really troubling to me.

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          2. marriea April 29, 2016

            Maybe if as you says, you can tell when she’s lying, is that she she’s not a lier. Real liers have no problem with lying and most often one has to really be paying attention to spot it.
            I grant you that she’s not a good campaigner, she doesn’t sound like many of the male counterparts, but rather than staying at home and letting a Trump win, the problems you complain about will have doubled at the end of a Trump presidency.
            I have read about Nero, who reported played the fiddle while Rome burned. That’s Trump.

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          3. joeham1 April 29, 2016

            The establishment left and right sees it as their job to top make you and me believe the other candidate is bad. The reality is both candidates are horrible. Trump is an egotistical sob. Hillary on the other hand says what people want to hear. Hillary is owned by the unions and wall street. Trump says he’s a republican but he’s really a Democrat. The biggest difference is the horrible job she did as Secretary of state. We learned during world War 2 that the only country on earth that can stop the world evil is the USA. The middle east is on fire and Hillary is partially to blame. The last thing we need is her as president.

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          4. pisces63 April 29, 2016

            Frankly, I do not care about right or left per se. I vote my party, period. Left, moderate, righty, independent. My party’s candidate. I just cannot for the life of me vote republican. Sue me.

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          5. joeham1 April 30, 2016

            If you won’t vote for a republican for the life of you then you do care about left or right. Someone or yourself has convinced you that the left is good and the right is bad. They have you where they want you. Both parties left and right have caused the 19 trillion debt, both parties have virtually ruined our education system, and are working on destroying our economy.

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          6. joeham1 April 30, 2016

            BTW, THE RESULT of what the democrats and Republicans have done to this country is TRUMP

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          7. marriea April 30, 2016

            I see you have been listening to a lot of Union and Wall Street propaganda. The entirity of the US govt is owned by Wall Street. Who do you think put the laws in place for Wall street to act. And this is not something that has happened recently. It’s been around since before I was even thought about over 6 decades ago.
            The U S is the only country that can stop evil? With so much evil going on within our own borders and territories, surely you gest.
            The Middle East was on fire when our then President in 2001 decided to wage war and destroy an already trying people by using our military as a personal mercenry to avenge an adversary. I will always believe that our own gov’t was complicit in 9-11. The development of ISIS is a direct cause of our involvement.
            I’d rather take my chances with a Clinton presidency rather than any of the choices on the GOP side any second of the hour.

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          8. joeham1 May 1, 2016

            Your party affiliation is making you blind to reality. The war in Iraq that the right and left all agreed we should do was a mistake. Since Obama has taken office and with Hillary as SOS, LIBYA, Bengazi and pulling our troops in Iraq has happened. Couple that with the Iran deal, Obama shrinking our military and now China and russia realizing that when Obama says something it really means nothing. Your party leaders tell you the right is to blame for everything. And unfortunately you believe them. Don’t feel bad because the right does the same thing to their sheep. Wall Street does own most of the politicians and the politicians they don’t own the unions own. If hillary gets elected she has promised more executive orders. I won’t core for that. Our government was designed to have compromise, to deal, to have input from both parties. 9 trillion increase in national debt, the world in caos and you think Hillary who couldn’t even protect 1 ambassador is the right choice? Do the country a gasket favor and reject both parties and be a free thinker.

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          9. pisces63 April 29, 2016

            No dear. the world was on fire by the time Obama got into office. Iraq caused most of it and it had a snow ball effect. Just as in Iran, this started under a republican, also. Now, look where we are and they like to start with the hostage taking. The hostage taking was the end result and everything else are consequences. The republicans over threw a duly elected leader in 1956, I believe because of oil. So how can you tell when she lies and not the Donald? He lies, denies it and when you show him the tape, he says I won’t speak of that. He lies blatantly and continuously and since he is always out there, it’s easy to find the lie. With him it is just a fact find away. Hillary?

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          10. joeham1 April 30, 2016

            I believe you’re wrong. Here’s why. When the as*hole bush and all the democrats and Republicans voted to go to war it was a huge mistake. But, when the as*hole Obama refused to make a status of forces agreement and pulled All Our troops out way to early it created what we see today. Hillary was a terrible secretary of state, Libya, Bengazi, and Iran are indisputable proof of that. Unfortunately my republican and democrat friends always want to blame the other side. Facts are facts, both parties have completely and totally failed us. It’s not as easy but you can sometimes tell when Trump is lying, where Hillary isn’t as good of a lier as Trump

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        2. northstate April 28, 2016

          Trump was born rich with a trust fund left by his father. He never had a job; he didn’t finish college; he pretends to some kind of military background because he went to a military middle school. He is not that bright; his trust is managed professionally. If he managed it, he would have even more bankruptcies than the four he does have. And, how many working people did those bankruptcies cause to lose their jobs? The workers on his Florida estate are not local Mexicans; they are imported from Bulgaria and Romania, because he can pay them almost nothing, keep their passports and bully them, as he does every person he comes in contact with. He is a bully, a boor, and is poorly educated. This is all a stunt to feed his extremely needy ego. All those kids and their grandmothers who are sitting at his rallies must represent the “dumbed down” part of us. I wouldn’t attend a Trump rally if he paid me whatever he pays those people who mow his lawn.

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        3. pisces63 April 29, 2016

          She’s a lawyer, dummy. She was rich before. Get a clue. If she nor bill had EVER gotten into politics, they would be rich like her room mate in college Grant Hill’s mother, also a lawyer and his father Calvin Hill. they’re rich and not in politics.

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          1. joeham1 April 29, 2016

            Forget the lawyer thing, remember when they left the white house she said they were broke! Another lie probably.

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        4. pisces63 April 29, 2016

          Plus when he advertised for employees for his Florida resort, no Americans who applied and interviewed, got even a call back. He hired all foreigners.

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          1. joeham1 April 29, 2016

            If you tell me how bad Donald is I won’t argue. This is truly a case of the lesser of 2 evils. Hillary has promised to expand on Obamas executive orders. I want a president that will compromise and make a deal that includes both parties ideas. Bill Clinton did that and so did Reagan. Between them they created over 45 million jobs.

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  5. Elliott Hankin April 28, 2016

    Joe youre right. She is a murderer, liar, scumbag and she couldnt even do her job as secretary of state. She is being investigated by the FBI too so shes a sneaky bitch

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    1. jmprint April 28, 2016

      I totally disagree with you.

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    2. Independent1 April 28, 2016

      And we hear from a right-wing troll spreading more fake propaganda.

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    3. Independent1 April 28, 2016

      What a crock!! She did more as SOS than Rice and Powell put together. She repaired America’s relationship with virtually the entire world after Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell destroyed it.

      See this clueless:

      Everywhere she goes, she meets with the head of state and she meets with the women leaders of grassroots organizations in each country. This goes automatically on her schedule. As you’ve seen, when she went to Burma – our first government trip there in 40 years. She met with its dictator and then she met with Aung San Suu Kyi, the woman he kept under detention for 15 years, the leader of Burma’s pro-democracy movement.

      She’s just been busy working, doing it, making those words “Women’s Rights are Human Rights” into something every leader in every country now knows is a linchpin of American policy. It’s just so much more than a rhetorical triumph. We’re talking about what happened in the real world, the institutional change that was a result of that stand she took.

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/18/1248523/-You-won-t-see-Hillary-Clinton-in-the-same-light-ever-again

      And this from the SunSentinel:

      Overall, however, Hillary Clinton is smart, steady and able to rebound quickly from defeat. When her attempt at health care reform failed during her husband’s first term, Clinton worked with senators from both parties – Democrat Ted Kennedy and Republican Orrin Hatch — to create the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which cut the uninsured rate of American children in half. More than eight million children have coverage because of the program.

      “Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term,” said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., “has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it

      And .”She helped secure more than $21 billion for World Trade Center redevelopment. She led investigations into the health problems of 9/11 first responders. She promoted increased National Institutes of Health funding for research into cancer and asthma. She was the principal author of sanctions – particularly on oil imports to the European Union — that brought Iran to the negotiating table. She helped bring about a 2012 cease-fire between Hamas and Israel that headed off an Israeli invasion of Gaza. She named an “ambassador at large” for women’s rights.

      http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/endorsements/fl-editorial-hillary-gs0306-20160304-story.html

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    4. pisces63 April 29, 2016

      She is not. She’s being investigated because of the lying right and New York Times lies. rice and Powell did the same thing and where is their investigation? there is the lie. Cruz is the liar, continually and Trump does not have a clue and could drop the bomb per bobby Knight’s praise. really.

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  6. cole3244 April 28, 2016

    all you have to do is look at hillarys changing positions on many issues according to how the political winds are blowing to realize she is unreliable if not disingenuous.

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    1. northstate April 28, 2016

      Hillary Clinton has been a solid Democrat since before all these Bernie children were born. She helped build the Party; she still supports down ballot with donations from her campaign fund. Bernie is all about Bernie, which makes him the perfect candidate for young people with no historical memory. They do not remember the fiasco of Nader v. Gore which gave us 8 years of Bush and an unfunded war. Tax cuts for the top 10%. Susan Sarandon is an idiot, and so is her husband. The fact that they cavort around a rich enclave in Westport, CT (I lived there for 33 yrs.) does not give her a lot of street cred for working people. Hillary has fought for women, children, First Responders, the right to vote way back in Arkansas and so on. She is a legitimate, honest Democrat who has suffered GOP talking points forever. The fact that Sarandon now wants to use those talking points to support a recent opportunist Democrat, Sanders, is just trash talk. Bernie has been Independent Socialist, Independent, and now, very recently Democrat. I am not a fan; he didn’t even know where Syria was the last time I saw him in a public venue debate. Old get off my lawn man.

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      1. joeham1 April 28, 2016

        Lol, you’re on crack

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      2. yabbed April 28, 2016

        Actually, Bernie only has one child, an illegitimate son he tried to pass off as the child of one of his wives until the press found him out. The rest of the children belong to his current wife.

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      3. A_Real_Einstein May 1, 2016

        You mean the Goldwater girl who in 1996 said how proud she was that her political beliefs were rooted in conservatism. That democrat? That is why we are no longer democrats. It is time for a 3rd party.

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    2. Independent1 April 28, 2016

      Hillary unreliable?? Really?? That’s not what the editorial board of the Sun Sentinel thought when they endorsed Hillary, said Bernie wasn’t qualified to be president and neither were Trump, Cruz or Kasich.

      See this:

      Clinton’s experience and steadiness make her best choice

      The breadth of her experience and her accomplishments are why the Sun Sentinel Editorial Board recommends voters choose her over Bernie Sanders in Florida’s Democratic primary on March 15. Hillary Clinton brings assets we’ve seen too little of this primary season — steadiness and experience at the highest levels of government.

      Her resume is impressive. She spent eight years in the U.S. Senate, representing New York from 2001 to 2009. She followed that with four years as secretary of state. Though she ran unsuccessfully for the Democratic nomination in 2008, she was in the White House for eight years working on policy while her husband was president.

      Hillary Clinton is smart, steady and able to rebound quickly from defeat. When her attempt at health care reform failed during her husband’s first term, Clinton worked with senators from both parties – Democrat Ted Kennedy and Republican Orrin Hatch — to create the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which cut the uninsured rate of American children in half. More than eight million children have coverage because of the program.

      “Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term,” said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., “has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it.

      And “She helped secure more than $21 billion for World Trade Center redevelopment. She led investigations into the health problems of 9/11 first responders. She promoted increased National Institutes of Health funding for research into cancer and asthma. She was the principal author of sanctions – particularly on oil imports to the European Union — that brought Iran to the negotiating table. She helped bring about a 2012 cease-fire between Hamas and Israel that headed off an Israeli invasion of Gaza. She named an “ambassador at large” for women’s rights.

      http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/endorsements/fl-editorial-hillary-gs0306-20160304-story.html

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    3. pisces63 April 29, 2016

      Many people change positions on certain ideology. So what, it’s called growing up. Mine has changed on a lot of things. My ideology at 14 is not the same as it is at 67. I have lived longer and experienced more. One, I can say has regressed to 14. The state of race in America. when Obama ran and won twice, it was such a heart breaking shock to actually see Americans had only made a veneer of change and in actuality, that’s all it was. People from McConnell to others in power had proven bigotry of a black man in charge and not shining their shoes was still there and then the white Christian bigot who murdered 9 black people in their church and the burning of black churches. Do you really think Trump is just speaking of Latins, Muslims, etc,? His 4th season of the Apprentice, a black man won and he tried to talk him into sharing the win with the runner up white guy. Need I say more?

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  7. A. D. Reed April 28, 2016

    Clearly there are many posters here who share Sarandon’s thin-as-paper intellect and political savvy. It’s hard to tell who’s a GOP-paid troll and who’s actually just a dimwitted Bernhead, but there’s not a bit of difference in what they write. Anyone who calls Mrs. Clinton a “murderer” is swallowing Karl Rove turds for breakfast; that meme began in 1993 when Vince Foster committed suicide, and it was made up out of whole cloth by right-wing tools paid by the Rutherford Institute and other don’t-think tanks.

    If you are actual Bernie supporters, I can only urge you to take a class in political science, another in contemporary American history, and a third in logic and critical thinking. That way you’ll begin to understand how the American political system works, and even the difference between reality (evidence-based facts) and vitriolic fantasy. Then go analyze the candidates’ actual voting records and history, and base your decisions on facts and intelligent thought, rather than memes you hear every day in your echo chamber.

    And if you still really want Donald Trump as president, then vote against Clinton in the fall, casting your ballot either for Stein or a write-in or Trump himself.

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    1. bwbw123 April 28, 2016

      Sounds like your trying to fly a kite with no string. Or perhaps on second thought a heavy rope.

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      1. A. D. Reed April 28, 2016

        I’m not trying to fly anything, a kite or an preference or a pipedream. I’m simply suggesting that people who want to make intelligent comments should get their heads out of the clouds and put their feet on the ground. Use facts and evidence in making judgments, and of course understand what they’re doing before taking action, and then accept the consequences.
        Some of us remember the consequences of the Nader vote in 2000; many of those who were responsible for throwing the election to Bush used the same logic as Sarandon did earlier — that electing Trump would make things so bad “the revolution” would come faster — but of course it nearly destroyed the nation in war, fear, and recession, and didn’t get us any closer to any revolution.
        Some of us also understand that America has not been a revolutionary country for two centuries or more; the closest it came was during the Great Depression.
        So .. Sarandonites and Trumpeters and Bern-or-bust-heads … get real. 🙂

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        1. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

          http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2015/04/hillary-leaves-tracks-in-oil.html
          this is just a sample of reality to which you lump your fantasy of knowing how things would have turned out if the person elected wasn’t. We teach our children to just say no to evil and if they are trying to teach us now then we should listen and make wiser choices. Hillary goes beyond bad decisions and Donald has gone bust how many times? For our country my guess is the swelling young and informed will do what Donald has and renounce our wars for oil and bad debt. You can hang on their kite tail if enough willingly side with the pragmatism and evil of both parties but for the country that doesn’t my hat goes off as i watch it soar/the young.

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          1. pisces63 April 29, 2016

            it’s amazing, at 67, I knew bad decisions make by anyone to the Irag war. Vietnam was wrong. I can go on and on but you will NEVER get me to agree we would have gone to war in Iraq if a democrat had won. Just don’t believe it. I wrote numerous letters to the editor, including our Plain Dealer, here, in Cleveland, who told me it was the right thing to do. NOW, well over 10 years later, these same people pretend they didn’t know about online spying, phone spying, Iraq was wrong. I had a great time writing a letter to the editor spelling out what I wrote all those years ago and now had an I told you so minute. Especially to those denying any knowledge of the wiretaps. I no more TRUST most, not all of these young than I do the stray cats on my porch. Why? They didn’t vote. they talked a good game but in a lot of instances, they did not vote and probably would not have if Bernie won. I have not missed an election since I registered in 1970.

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          2. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            I volunteered for J Carter and think he was a great president. I have made my share of mistakes and love to be wrong if i learn and the country and our kids fare better etc. So far it is no great comfort seeing how right i was in the late 60’s and 70’s as I wrote numerous letters explaining how bomb dropping, clandestine operations, and profits over lives would lead to the poor mans war of terror. I still call for the clear overt ways like Peace Corp and real diplomacy that puts Bernie far ahead of the pack in prevention of war. Saying no to bombing Iraq he had same intel and has called for restraint from Israel even though he is Jewish. His quagmire within a quagmire within a quagmire mirror what so many of us young back then said and no today. Issue after issue Hillary has shown poor judgement at a minimum if not outright right wing ways.

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        2. pisces63 April 29, 2016

          Yes, and I loved it. took it in college, too. I am 67. I understood it better than my daughters, college grads at 14 than they do now.

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    2. Beethoven April 29, 2016

      The problem with too many voters (and with our population in general) is that they have too little knowledge and understanding of political science, American history, and logic and critical thinking. As someone who has taken college political science courses and many courses requiring logic and critical thinking, and have studied history (not just contemporary American history) deeply as a hobby, it really bothers me that too many voters are making their decisions on false (and imagined) facts and flawed (or even non-existent) logic. If you vote for a person because you live in a fantasy world and don’t understand how reality works, you will be very unhappy with the results, whatever they are.

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      2. A. D. Reed April 29, 2016

        Well put, Beethoven.

        In part this dumbing-down is deliberate: during the Reagan administration a movement began to remove “frills” from education, especially if they were perceived as having a liberal bias. That included what was then called Civics or Government — classes that had been standard right through the 1970s — in which people were taught both the minutia of our system and the various ways of civic engagement by regular people. Who were, in fact, civicly engaged.
        Those courses were deefunded or subsumed into general history, where school boards like Texas’s could demand revised texts that diminished the progressive sweep of U.S. history and elevated not the conservative political side but capitalism and success as the opposite of democracy; they deliberately conflated our political system with our economic system as a contrast to the USSR’s communism that controlled both.
        But people, as you note, don’t learn this any more. And when you add the Louis Gohmerts of the world saying they disapprove of children being taught “critical thinking” because they shouldn’t be told to be critical of America, it almost feels like a lost cause.

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      3. pisces63 April 29, 2016

        Exactly!! I have tried to explain this to my college graduate daughters. They cannot grasp the nuances. What to look for. What to listen to and not to hope for perfection, just a fighting chance to get things done. I do not care about an E-mail, I care about undoing what they have done and preventing the destruction of what is working like ACA. Get roads taken care. Get children fed, housed, clothed. They are on the streets, homeless with their parents. They want to make SS a voucher program. since the welfare reform act, these same people have made it a voucher program in some states and guess what they use it to balance their budgets and NOT feed the poor.

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  8. JohnJ April 28, 2016

    The Democratic Party establishment and corporate media have once again defeated the efforts of the vast majority of Democratic Party activists. Yay machine!! Another message for you, loser Democratic activist citizen: if you don’t go for their duplicitous candidate, and the other stooge gets in, it is your fault and you are letting down democracy.

    For you A.D.Reed – your pretense of ‘knowing better’ and then throwing in the Vince Foster thing which is a RW thing that almost no Democrats sign onto: damn would I like to meet you in person. Speaking of memes – Hillary squeaked through on people that get too much misinformation as they watch TV. It is not just Fox news that promotes conservative filth. The ‘centrist’ conservative filth on all the other MSM outlets is perhaps a little less obvious, but conservative filth is what it is. I’m a Bernie child in my 60s by the way.

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    1. Independent1 April 28, 2016

      The Democratic Party establishment?? Is that why Hillary has gotten over 3 million more votes in the primaries than Sanders?? Does 3 million people’s vote not count for something??

      And are you aware that THE vAST MAJORITY of Bernie’s wins were in caucus states where only a small fraction of the eligible voters turn out – less than 10%. And that many of those caucus states were essentially Republican led red states?? Meaning that many of those who voted for Bernie in the caucuses may well have been Republicans trying to get him to be the nominee, because Bernie is not electable in a national election. Bernie has far too many skeletons in his closet.

      If anyone defeated Bernie it was Bernie himself and the fact that millions more Americans actually want to see Hillary as the nominee.

      Better read this little article before you go too far off the deep end:

      Bernie Sanders’ Radical Past

      Just what do you think the GOP propaganda machine is going to make out of this little gem??

      There’s more. In 1980, Sanders served as an elector for the Socialist Workers Party, which was founded on the principles of Leon Trotsky. According to the New York Times, that party called for abolishing the military budget. It also called for “solidarity” with the revolutionary regimes in Iran, Nicaragua, Grenada, and Cuba; this was in the middle of the Iranian hostage crisis.

      Or this one:

      In June 2015, Gallup polled American voters about the sort of people they would and would not support for president. Eight percent would not vote for a woman. Thirty-eight percent would not vote for a Muslim, and 40 percent would not vote for an atheist. Fifty percent would not vote for a socialist; it was the most negatively viewed characteristic in the survey.

      Or this little gem:

      In the 1970s, Sanders chaired the left-libertarian Liberty Union Party and competed in two Senate campaigns and two gubernatorial campaigns under its banner. “Liberty Union calls for a reduction of the U.S. military,” said the party’s statement of principles. That’s a wholly reasonable position, but it continued, “A return to the system of local citizen militias and Coast Guard would provide our nation with ample protection and also protect us from the imperialist impulses of our leaders.” That sounds a lot like getting rid of America’s standing Army.

      http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/02/bernie_sanders_radical_past_would_haunt_him_in_a_general_election.html

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    2. pisces63 April 29, 2016

      I wonder? Did you vote in any of the midterms which made things worse? did you sit at home and twiddle your fingers? I’m 67 and I have watched and paid attention to Hillary before the social network and before I got into any news channels. I love reading newspapers like my Plain Dealer, here, in Cleveland, NPR, Magazines like Time and others before social media. So put that lie to rest. I do due diligence and I have vetted actual candidates, in person. I love Bernie but I will vote for Hillary. I voted for her here, in Ohio in 2008 and I will continue to support her unless Bernie winds up with the vote. I am also a black woman. Loyal to a fault. I have no intentions of allowing and idiot like Trump getting into this office, especially when one of his followers said while introducing him, Truman was not afraid to drop the bomb and Trump will ‘DROP THE BOMB’. No matter Bernie, Hillary, I have NO intentions of taking that chance.

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  9. ralphkr April 28, 2016

    Personally, I don’t think we have to worry about Trump being president but need to worry about who he picks as vice-president since Trump will quickly disappear from the scene. It shall be a tossup as to whether he gets eliminated by a consortium of UN teams racing to be first to pull the trigger or the Republican establishment. If Cruz is elected then there is a real problem as once the prez & veep are eliminated that puts Ryan in control of the ‘red’ button.

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    1. esmensetoo April 28, 2016

      Trump will be controlled by Ryan AND will play footsie with the “Freedom” caucus and Tea Partiers when it suits him — he will have to give his supporters and the party the Supreme Court appointees they want. If you care about Citizens United as Bernie claims to, you know that it is the ideological balance on the court that is most important on this issue. Even if somehow, miraculously, Democrats could get to reform bills passed, they would be challenged by conservatives and rejected and/or undermined by a conservative court.

      If you care about any progressive issue, you will have to vote for the girl — who is more progressive on many issues than Bernie. But too many Sanders supporters have swallowed the Sanders campaign’s, and the Republicans’, lies about Clinton personally , and overlook the Bernies’ hypocrisy in terms of war; he voted to give any American president the authority to — in fact committed the country to — attack Iraq to remove Saddam from office, in 1998. Bush started planning the invasion based on that authority from the moment he took office. Long before 9/11 and the vote Clinton took. NOT voting for the latter bill in no way removed that authority or would have deterred Bush if it hadn’t passed.

      His hypocrisy on issues of justice; Sanders voted for the crime bill he criticizes now — a bill Clinton had nothing to do with. Her two – line mention of it in a First Lady speech listing legislation passed by congress two years after he voted for it does not make her a “promoter” of the bill or negate her decades of work on issues of justice — and access to justice legal representation for the poor and vulnerable — as a law student volunteer, as staff lawyer for and later head of an important civil rights organization, as the most consequently head of the Legal Services Corporation, a government agency providing legal services for the poor, under President Carter. (All in a decade in which Sanders, up in lily white Vermont, did no work on the issues of civil rights and justice.) Hypocrisy that also includes his objection to legislation intended to lessen sentences for the use of crack and get rid of the sentencing guidelines that led to discriminatory disparity between mandatory sentencing for users of crack and cocaine — because he supported raising RAISING cocaine sentencing instead.

      Hypocrisy in his condemnation of fundraising required by Clinton and other progressives campaigning against extremely well-funded and media supported conservatives in states with populations of many million people, with millions of registered voters and MUCH higher media costs than Vermont — next to last in population with only 625,000 people and only 235,000 register voters. Fundraising that has included substantial support from Democratic “super PACs” — including the Hillary PAC in 2006 and $200,000 in funding for TV advertising for him in his 2012. Hypocrisy that includes the fact that although it costs very little to campaign in Vermont, he always collects many times more than what he needs and spendings. According to open secrets, for instance, he collected around $7 million dollars in 2012 and only spent about $2.5 million on his campaign. No accounting is given for the several million dollars he did not use for campaigning.

      Which brings us to his hypocrisy in terms of financial transparency — refusing to release full tax and other financial information.

      But who cares? The people, like Sarandon, supporting Sanders are no more consistent in their principles than Sanders.

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      1. Independent1 April 28, 2016

        Great post!! Thanks!!

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  10. yabbed April 28, 2016

    She’s a goofball.

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  11. notafoxfan April 28, 2016

    I might add that people who use their “celebrity” status to endorse candidates from either party are a “turn off”..i prefer to think on my own,fact check and make decisions accordingly..ms sarandon is a fine actress,but her political opinions are of no consequence to anyone except herself…

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  12. jabber1 April 28, 2016

    I completely agree with Susan Sarandon. The democratic establishment is not progressive. none of their candidates care about me. They are just as economically neo liberal as the republicans. I cannot support them with my vote. It would be a betrayal of my principles and I would be enabling their continued anti citizen policies. I won’t vote for Trump (or any other republican) nor will I vote for Hillary.

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    1. jmprint April 28, 2016

      If you do not want Trump in the white house, do yourself a favor and vote for Hilliary, if only to keep Trump out.

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      1. TZToronto April 29, 2016

        At some point, pragmatism must “trump” idealism. I’d prefer Bernie, but I’ll vote for Clinton if she’s the nominee. Any Republican nominee would be infinitely worse than Hillary Clinton. On the positive sidd, she knows the workd, has real accomplishments, and will act responsibly as President. Trump will work for Trump, and Cruz will work for Christian evangelical tyranny.

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    2. Paragryne April 28, 2016

      You’re just precious.

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    3. esmensetoo April 28, 2016

      A person whose “principles” would allow them to prefer, and act in a manner that undercuts the progressive alternative to, a man who believes basic rights and freedoms are to be respected by our government and government leaders based in their approval of or hostility the ethnicity and religion of the people involved has no principles to worry about.

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  13. bwbw123 April 28, 2016

    We may yet see enough people not willing to be on the wining side of Selfishness Hillary and Donald represent that the losing side not only is recognized as the right but finally turned the corner for the home stretch of people power. The rest is noise and anti human progress. It is so good to see a true woman stand up for what is right not the pragmatism of Hillary and Donald despite the overwhelming corporate media behind them.

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    1. Independent1 April 28, 2016

      Selfishness?? Hillary?? What never, never land do you live in?? Obviously not planet earth. Hillary Clinton has done more for others than any other politician in America today.

      From the Daily Kos: You won’t see Hillary Clinton in the same light ever again

      But that night in the theater two years ago, the other six brave women came up on the stage. Anabella De Leon of Guatemala pointed to Hillary Clinton, who was sitting right in the front row, and said, “I met her and my life changed.” And all weekend long, women from all over the world said the same thing:

      “I’m alive because she came to my country and she talked to our leaders, because I heard her speak, because I read about her.”

      “I’m alive because she went on our local TV and talked about my work, and now they’re afraid to kill me.”

      “I’m alive because she came to my village, put her arm around me, and had a photograph taken together.”

      She’s just been busy working, doing it, making those words “Women’s Rights are Human Rights” into something every leader in every country now knows is a linchpin of American policy. It’s just so much more than a rhetorical triumph. We’re talking about what happened in the real world, the institutional change that was a result of that stand she took.

      Everywhere she goes, she meets with the head of state and she meets with the women leaders of grassroots organizations in each country. This goes automatically on her schedule. As you’ve seen, when she went to Burma – our first government trip there in 40 years. She met with its dictator and then she met with Aung San Suu Kyi, the woman he kept under detention for 15 years, the leader of Burma’s pro-democracy movement. This isn’t just symbolism. It’s how you change the world.

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/18/1248523/-You-won-t-see-Hillary-Clinton-in-the-same-light-ever-again

      And this from The Sun Sentinel:

      Hillary Clinton is smart, steady and able to rebound quickly from defeat. When her attempt at health care reform failed during her husband’s first term, Clinton worked with senators from both parties – Democrat Ted Kennedy and Republican Orrin Hatch — to create the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which cut the uninsured rate of American children in half. More than eight million children have coverage because of the program.

      “Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term,” said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., “has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it

      And .”She helped secure more than $21 billion for World Trade Center redevelopment. She led investigations into the health problems of 9/11 first responders. She promoted increased National Institutes of Health funding for research into cancer and asthma. She was the principal author of sanctions – particularly on oil imports to the European Union — that brought Iran to the negotiating table. She helped bring about a 2012 cease-fire between Hamas and Israel that headed off an Israeli invasion of Gaza. She named an “ambassador at large” for women’s rights.

      http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/endorsements/fl-editorial-hillary-gs0306-20160304-story.html

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      1. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

        http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2015/04/hillary-leaves-tracks-in-oil.html

        It would be great to hear explanations from her on key issues she seems to have sided with and followed up with restitution. Bombing Iraq, endless weapons to M.East including S Arabia, Bombing Libya, promoting fracking to the world, TPP and Keystone until very recently and what seems more pragmatism for the moment than a moral compass that is greatly needed for key decisions that costs untold numbers of lives around the world. With a moral compass we would have a much stronger alternative and efficient energy policy than the pragmatic All Of The Above which she helped turn into Burn Baby Burn in my humble opinion.

        I am the kind of person that loves prevention and understanding of reason. Therefore it bothers me how it seems we created Bin Laden, then he became the Russian’s, then his own, then the terrorists, and then killed being out of the loop with his wives. This clandestine and pragmatic thinking can get people elected but causes endless con fusion and war. The above might even be out of order and only represented one person of a growing number where perhaps a deal went bad with the key players never admitting guilt or restitution. At a minimum we can not afford so much tied to these resolved questions and I believe neither she nor Donald should be anywhere near buttons nor has the moral compass to show any way forward for the common good.

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        1. Independent1 April 29, 2016

          Like so many Bernie nuts and others posting here, you are totally missing the point – Hillary is the only alternative we have to Trump or idiot Cruz wining the 2016 election WHO IS ELECTABLE. BERNIE IS NOT ELECTABLE!! HE HAS FAR TOO MANY RADICAL PAST INCIDENTS THAT THE GOP WILL USE TO TOTALLY DESTROY HIM AS A VIABLE CANDIDATE!!

          And you’re also missing the point, that virtually everyone running for president has voted for virtually everything you’re listing against Hillary except for maybe the TPP. And sorry, but as yet, I don’t buy into the TPP as being as damaging as you radicals claim it will be; because I do not believe it has been NAFTA or other trade agreements that have had the devastating effects on America’s manufacturing sector: It has been people like Mitt Romney and Bain Capital that over the past couple of decades have systematically used leverage buyouts to take over manufacturing company after manufacturing company, destroy them in America, pocket huge profits and then ship millions upon millions of American manufacturing jobs overseas.

          So you can rail all you want about the TPP AND I’M NOT BUYING IT!!!!!!!!

          So you can hold onto your nonsensical prejudices against Hillary all you want, because if there are too many people like you, a Republican is going to be elected in 2016 AND AMERICA WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN AND IT WILL BE DECADES, IF EVER, BEFORE A PROGRESSIVE WILL GET ELECTED IN THIS COUNTRY.

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          1. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            So war in Iraq and bombing Libya where Bernie said NO is same vote as Hillary? Or keystone or fracking or Panama trade or the endless other key issues she showed bad judgement and his was not only good for the common good but good for the planet. If the Party really believes Donald is the evil he seems and a democrat would be better they would have long ago boarded the only ship sea worthy or Bernie. Bust with Donald may or may not be better than Bust with Hillary but based on History donald wins support and based on rhetoric Hillary wins. Two sides of same coin flipped up just don’t come down two separate coins.

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          2. Independent1 April 29, 2016

            Bernie DID NOT SAY NO TO REGIME CHANGE IN IRAQ!! Bernie had previously voted to support a regime change. And anyone who didn’t believe that getting a regime change in Iraq meant fighting a war is simple minded and certainly not quailified to be president. And Bernie also voted to support going into Libya. And all of that really doesn’t matter BECAUSE BERNIE IS NOT ELECTABLE!! WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO WAKE UP TO THAT??
            Bernie was a key elector in a socialist party that was founded on the principles of communism; and he and his wife were so enamored with communism in his early days that they chose to vacation in Russia during the cold war. The GOP propaganda machine will turn Bernie into a communist sympathizer (he pushed for the U.S, to recognize the communist governments of Cuba and Guatemala and suggested we should do more to recognize the Iranian regime when they were holding Americans hostage).
            Anyone who really thinks Bernie could win a national election is delusional. The only reason he gets the polling support he does today is because the GOP propaganda machine hasn’t gone into high gear and destroyed his character. When millions of Americans learn of just how communist leaning Bernie was in his early days, they’ll totally disown him.

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          3. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            The record is pretty clear that Bernie was on the right side of saying NO and used the same intel. When it came time for the vote he voted NO. Two letter you seem not able to digest. And yes Bernie is electable with our without an official indictment of Hillary.
            Bernie is against Corporate Socialism as it exists today and more and more people understand we need some basic people socialism just to keep some rational functioning. He realizes that some things are basic rights every human needs like a livable wage for work and health care. The cycle and Hammer scare is neither here nor there but a part of corrupted history now being superseded by this corporate socialism. I think you have a problem with sharing and cooperation. Cooperation raised us from the jungle floor and sharing makes life worth living. Hang in there with Hillary and the corruption of her coronation if you choose.

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          4. Independent1 April 29, 2016

            More hogwash!!

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          5. Independent1 April 29, 2016

            And in addition to my other post, your post is flat out hogwash – only a mental idiot would even think of trying to compare what our government would do under Hillary to what everyone knows it will do under Trump. All one has to do is look at every red state around the nation that has enacted voter suppression, religious discrimination, right-to-pay-you-less, denial of women’s rights and on and on laws to see what they’ll do if they’re allowed to not only take over the presidency and congress but the SCOTUS too. And beyond that is the fact that red states lead the nation in violence and murders and people dying at prematurely young ages because the GOP refuses to adequately fund funding to help people in need and even get the healthcare they needi!!!

            If you don’t see all that – you’re nothing but despicable right-wing troll!!!

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          6. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            As an independent it becomes easier to see both sides and more importantly at least one other. Neither Bernie nor Hillary will serve the common good as they have a clear record of serving insiders and themselves. You claim to have a crystal ball and to some degree we all have to go on is the past so what has Donald done that is worse than this?http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2015/04/hillary-leaves-tracks-in-oil.html

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          7. Independent1 April 29, 2016

            Sorry, I don’t waste my time reading blogs posted by right-wing propagandists.

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          8. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            Like your other claims it seems obvious you don’t know because I am an independent all my life but did volunteer for Jimmy Carter and did volunteer for other social programs we benefit from like prairie restorations.

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        2. pisces63 April 29, 2016

          WE do not push buttons and as Bobby Knight said in his introduction to Trump, Truman had no fear to drop the bomb on Japan. He saved lives by doing so. This man will ‘drop the bomb’, also. No democrat has EVER said anything about dropping ‘THE BOMB’ on any nation. republicans have hinted at and said out right what they would do. Sanders or no, stop deliberately lying on this woman for no reason. I is making me sick. I am black, a woman and 67 and MY generations would never have disparaged another of our party because our candidate lost. I could not vote in 1968 but just because my dear Bobby was murdered would not mean I would not have voted for my democratic ticket.

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          1. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            Hillary represents pedal to the metal of fossil fuel burning. For instance she was for Keystone while at State when it counted. Forged EIS and insider connections reported yet seldom talked about like most of Hillary’s connections to great harms.

            Why does Keystone count so much? For one thing it is the people of color that pay the first costs and increasingly more. First Nations people at extraction site are seeing the third largest water shed in the world now not fit for game or drinking and they can’t move. Ditto for people of color around refineries who get the leukemia and asthma and can’t move or enjoy their children playing outside as the workers stream away at night. Ditto for cities around the world where Hillary pragmatically sweeps the dirtiest fuels and again the people can’t move. And ditto for the growing millions around cities in low lying places where the ocean s are rising.

            Just one example of the people of color voting against themselves and us. I understand the argument about dropping the bomb but would side with the developers who pleaded with a demonstration drop that could have saved even more lives and with prevention we never would have seen the bomb developed which the Hillary’s and Donald’s play into by playing to the industrialists of the world then and now that drives desperation. A vote for Bernie is a vote for prevention. B. Knight got lots of money from the presents system of corporate socialism to build stadiums and his hot temper is again that win at all costs connected to bombs.

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          2. pisces63 April 29, 2016

            Since Obama denied it. What’s your point? None. You argue what never happened and as for the fossil fuel thing. consumption is down. to the point processing of crude is at an all time law. come up with something recent. Even fracking is down, as in my state of Ohio. This was a huge money making cut down to a trickle and idle trucks and silence. Not working for me. Last I looked, it isn’t Hillary to black for a real crises, Lead poisoning had nothing to do with her in Flint, Michigan. There are over 30,000 black children in the D. C. area who were poisoned by lead in 2000 and the CDC tried to hide it and prevent a reporter from bringing it to light. They will have medical problems for life.

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          3. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            We already are seeing calls to flip and flop from Alberta/Canada where the loon was driven under the soil by tar sands every favor. They are knocking on our door as we speak for the next push higher and infrastructure to support it that depends on ever more corruption. Never happened? Wave after wave of denial, boom/bust, and no thanks to Hillary is fracking down but frantic calls to stimulate demand are meeting resistance and more to come. Kalamazoo Mi, where they came back to cover up the tar sands with sod eventually was revealed by whistle blowers but Flint or money over lives is more known.

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    2. Independent1 April 29, 2016

      And here’s even more from McClatchy:

      But Hillary Clinton’s connection to the state dates back to the 1970s, when the recent law-school graduate came to South Carolina to work for the Children’s Defense Fund, founded by Bennettsville-native Marian Wright Edelman. Since the 1990s, she and her husband also have repeatedly visited the state. “Wherever Hillary goes and gets to know people personally, she builds very strong, lasting friendships and people discover how genuine and funny and committed she is,” Lader said.

      “There is a considerable number of Americans, including many South Carolinians, who may not agree with her on every policy position, but trust her, have confidence in her and would like to see her serve as president,” he added.

      Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article62932607.html#storylink=cpy

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  14. gococksri April 28, 2016

    So, Susan Sarandon survived her cliff-diving adventure with Geena Davis. I hadn’t noticed, since she’s apparently done nothing but bounce off every available political wall—sans helmet—since then. Here is all one needs to know about, uh, Susan: In voting for Ralph Nader per the 2000 election and in encouraging others to do the same, she helped present us with the gift of George W. Bush. And, along with George W. came the War in Iraq (technically fought off the books), Justice Roberts, Justice Alito, one of the largest—and most ill-timed—tax cuts in American history (first American president to cut taxes during wartime, by the way), a Medicare Big Pharma gift that there was no money to pay for, and on and on and on. Put it all together and George W. left us facing the most severe recessive economy and the highest levels of inequality since the years just prior to the Great Depression.

    While I do my own due diligence per candidates and my own thinking when it comes to making a choice, it just seemed important, given the air time she and her BFF, Tim Robbins, get, to take note of how helpful Susan was in assisting in the election of George W. Bush in 2000. Thanks, Susan. Now, up for a re-do on that cliff-diving scene?

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  15. OsborneInk April 29, 2016

    Remind me what public offices Susan Sarandon has held?

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  16. TiredOfTheHaters April 29, 2016

    Susan is making me “more afraid” of her as an activist and actress.

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  17. alima11 April 29, 2016

    Like Susan Sarandon, I am fearful of the prospect of a Clinton presidency, based on her current unwillingness to shift her neoliberal positions. Clearly, a Trump presidency would be far, far more catastrophic. Bit I also fear that Trump will beat Clinton unless she makes a credible leftward shift.
    It is vital to keep and expand the engagement of previously unengaged voters who are inspired by Bernie’s vision, passion, experience, compassion and pragmatism. So, I believe we must increase our support for Bernie Sanders through to the convention so that our pressure produces either a remade Clinton or Bernie as the nominee…

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    1. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

      If Hillary does not show true repentance of her past actions and they are many and requires much restitution is forgiveness in order. No we can’t forgive without some restitution and on day one she will proceed with more. Donald may be worse short term but if we replace him sooner the better.

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      1. TZToronto April 29, 2016

        If Trump becomes Presudent, I fear that there may be no “short term.” If he gets his way, all of America’s unstable enemies will have nuclear weapons, and the USA will become a pariah nation. All of America’s current allies will be unable to trust the USA, and Trump’s go-it-alone attitude will definitely work against America’s interests.

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        1. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

          I agree but recognize that double dealing pragmatism is what likely delivered the planes on nine eleven. Hillary clearly stands for might makes right while at least the more tame pragmatism of Donald gives one for a tiny tiny tiny bit more hope. For instance when the first fists flew he backed off of going to raise the roof for his supporters. And surely his massive connections in the business sense is a tiny tiny tiny bit closer to restraint because it is harder to get himself and his out in time to drop bombs. But I just don’t see much hope for either. I remember reading about the top floor in Panama being a shell to get what they could out of that country too and while at a nearby place having what seemed a double charge for my stay so in my very limited experience and his going bust time after time it tells me he knows how to serve himself and other insiders almost as well as Hillary. Bernie or Bust looks very real as it Becomes Hillary and Donald and Bust.

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          1. TZToronto April 29, 2016

            The pragmatism I’m referring to is that which relates to the general election. If Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, and it appears that she will be, Bernie supporters should be willing to take “half a loaf” if they can’t get everything they’re hoping for. Voting for Trump will inevitably result in not even a crumb for most people; not voting at all gives Trump an advantage since he wouldn’t have to overcome votes that would have gone to Clinton. Much of the dishonesty, greed, and misfeasance ascribed to Clinton are the invention of the far right, and these assertions of un-trustworthiness have been repeated so many times that they have become almost a given, even among many Democrats.

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          2. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            Based on the preponderance of evidence I can’t share your confidence two sides of the same coin can be flipped up and somehow come down two separate coins. They know it and we don’t want to see it. Your half a loaf implies something tangible like money or growth of GDP? For that Donald surely would be best but at the expense of many far and wide so all things considered it seems daunting to understand who would lead to the most desperation and have their finger touching buttons thinking the damage is only far off.

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          3. Independent1 April 29, 2016

            And your stupidity is showing even more with statements like: “Your half a loaf implies something tangible like money or growth of GDP? For that Donald surely would be best….””

            In case you haven’t noticed lately nitwit, since 1900, the average GDP growth during Republican presidencies has averaged a paltry 2.6%/year while under Democrats it’s averaged a far more robust 4.3%/year. And not only is GDP growth far better under Democrats, so is jobs growth: only 24 million paltry jobs were created in the 20 years that Reagan and the 2 Bushes were in office – while almost twice as many were created under Carter, Clinton and Obama – over 40 million in less than 20 years in office. And not only that, let’s look at the stock market – since 1930, the net gain during the 42 years a Republican was in the Oval Office, the stock market actually has provided A NEGATIVE RETURN!!

            That’s right! If you had invested $10,000 in the market right after the 1929 stock market crash (which was manufactured by failed GOP governance), the $10,000 would have been worth less than $1,000 when the last GOP market collapse reached bottom in 2009; how would you like to retire on that paltry sum?? While in contrast, in 43 years that a Democrat has been in the Oval office, the stock market return is now well over 300% (it was at 300% when the market bottomed out in 2009); so just imagine what that percentage is today given that the market has gone from around $6,500 to over $18,000 under Obama. (The numbers I’m quoting you were developed by Barclays Bank in study completed back in 2010.)

            Republicans know absolutely nothing about running a government. Of the 20 recessions and depressions that America has endured since 1900, 14 of the recessions and all three depressions happened during Republican presidencies and the most of them occurred during the 2nd term of a Republican president. And the winner as the worst president for creating recessions is actually Eisenhower who allowed 3 of them to happen during his 8 years – America was in recession for almost 1/2 of his 8 year term.

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          4. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            I usually give people that start with mindless labels the last word because you can count on it being worse than the 1st words. The idea political parties control the economy is to lend credence to the idea they should and must and do and end up like the politically agnostic bullies of industry set on rape and pillage. That is where we are at today under this idea of pragmatic indiscriminate investing that at least would be countered with sound government constraining the excesses of rape and pillage you claim Democrats are better at. Would love to talk history with someone a little more educated on the subject.

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          5. Independent1 April 29, 2016

            Say, I’ve got a bridge you may like – you clearly believe in fantasies.

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          6. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            You have a bridge? My guess is you are not truthful about this too. Can you put one sentence together that is honest?

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          7. Independent1 April 29, 2016

            Asking me if I’m honest, when you haven’t posted one thing that isn’t a figment of your imagination?? That’s hilarious!! It really is!! (Although you don’t like what I’ve posted, I have statistics proving everything I’ve posted for you!! Sorry you like to live in La La Land. All you have to do is ask other non-rightwing NM posters – I DON’T MAKE THINGS UP!)

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          8. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            Start with your above post about the bridge. Turn the right wing or left wing program off in your head as you answer yourself yes or no. Do you have a bridge to sell? Y=yes N=No. Got it?

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          9. Independent1 April 29, 2016

            You can’t be serious with you questioning my comment where I was mocking you by being totally facetious about having a bridge?? Every moron knows that’s nothing but a gotcha comment!!!!!!

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          10. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            I’ll leave it to you to figure out why your compelled to discredit someone you claim is obviously what you peg me as. Do you always thrive on gotcha comments to reinforce your other distortions?

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          11. Independent1 April 29, 2016

            Prove I’ve posted any distortions!!!! What have I distorted???

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          12. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            You don’t say. I do say. You did say. So said the Smuther Brothers and you don’t say much of worth to the truth let alone subject.

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          13. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

            Lots of ways to interpret this. One rational one is that like the book Good To Great the previous CEO’s or in this case the previous administrations set the stage for the next administrations success. What the Congress did etc etc etc come into play but for the subject on hand no amount of corruption justification is in order.

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          14. Big Blue May 2, 2016

            We are done with table scraps.
            Get that through your heads. The Democrats NEVER had our votes until they contemplated running Sanders. And we don’t follow Sanders himself. He’s simply the latest poster child for what we believe in.
            What we believe is that the conflict between the Country of the US and the Corporation that is the US is coming to a head, and the country is losing.
            We find that unacceptable.
            Clinton is bought and paid for by the megacorporations and Trump is their golden child. He’s one of them.
            Neither are acceptable.
            IF you want our support, then listen to us and earn it. Don’t tell us we HAVE to support your evil because the “other” evil is worse.
            We’re done with that.

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        2. Independent1 April 29, 2016

          The biggest danger we face with a Trump presidency is the GOP gaining control of Congress and the SCOTUS as well. Should that happen, the GOP will go about enacting at the national level all the voter suppression, and gerrymandering and other heinous laws they’ve been enacting in red state after red state, which could make it that it could be decades or maybe never that the GOP rigged elections held in America would allow someone other than a Republican to be elected to political office.

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          1. leadvillexp April 30, 2016

            What are you afraid of ? Freedom? Isn’t SCOTUS supposed to be separative of the Executive branch and the legislative branch? They are supposed to be independent but have become part of the Parties. Something George Washington warned us against. Remember one thing the people own the government, the government doesn’t own the people. When it doesn’t work for us any more we need to get rid of it.

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  18. ScubaSuzy April 29, 2016

    I fear if HC is nominated and elected she will cast away any of what Senator Bernie Sanders and his supporters have insisted she act upon. Her past actions tell us who she really is and what she believes in. For those numerous differences, I too feel as though I can not become a hypocrite and vote for her no matter that she is the Democratic nominee. I am weighing my options. At present I can not in good conscience cast my vote for HC. Trump is in a class of rogues all by himself. He frightens me but so does HC.

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    1. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

      But the great and mighty Parties demand we choose one of their divide and rule supreme parties to rule supreme over us.

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    2. Independent1 April 29, 2016

      So you don’t like the fact that Hillary has spent a good bit of her life either fighting for the poor or doing everything she can to help oppressed women around the world??

      See these excerpts from a Daily Kos article:

      When Hillary Clinton stood up in Beijing to speak that truth, her hosts were not the only ones who didn’t necessarily want to hear it. Some of her husband’s advisors also were nervous about the speech, fearful of upsetting relations with China. But she faced down the opposition at home and abroad, and her words continue to hearten women around the world and have reverberated down the decades.

      She’s just been busy working, doing it, making those words “Women’s Rights are Human Rights” into something every leader in every country now knows is a linchpin of American policy. It’s just so much more than a rhetorical triumph. We’re talking about what happened in the real world, the institutional change that was a result of that stand she took.

      Everywhere she goes, she meets with the head of state and she meets with the women leaders of grassroots organizations in each country. This goes automatically on her schedule. As you’ve seen, when she went to Burma – our first government trip there in 40 years. She met with its dictator and then she met with Aung San Suu Kyi, the woman he kept under detention for 15 years, the leader of Burma’s pro-democracy movement.

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/18/1248523/-You-won-t-see-Hillary-Clinton-in-the-same-light-ever-again

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      1. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

        Why the trail of death and destruction from the M. East to god knows where? Couldn’t she spend a little time working with the Peace Corp and using face time instead of making weapons deals and supporting war in M East?

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      2. leadvillexp April 29, 2016

        Hillary has never worked for the poor. Like all the 1% she has worked for herself in the name of the poor. I have read history and know where she is headed. Think! You ask for $15.00 an hour minimum wage but think. The business owners and one percent aren’t going to eat the wage increase. They raise the price of goods. The idea is to get rid of the uppity middle class. So he who now makes fifteen dollars an hour is now making the same as if they made eight. The buying power is the same.People that have fixed income just went down, people that have worked for years to get fifteen dollars are now back to minimum wage!. So you ask why? High powered people the ” Tri- Latterial Commission” a long time ago with Governor Rockerferller said get rid of the uppity middle class and have only poor and rich. The rich will rule the poor. It is not the amount of dollars you have , but the buying power.

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    3. Independent1 April 29, 2016

      Or the fact that when she was a senator she worked real hard to help the 9/11 first responders and as a Secretary of State she also worked to head of conflicts whenever possible??

      See this from the Sun Sentinel article where they endorsed her candidacy:

      Her resume is impressive. She spent eight years in the U.S. Senate, representing New York from 2001 to 2009. She followed that with four years as secretary of state. Though she ran unsuccessfully for the Democratic nomination in 2008, she was in the White House for eight years working on policy while her husband was president.Hillary Clinton brings assets we’ve seen too little of this primary season — steadiness and experience at the highest levels of government.

      She helped secure more than $21 billion for World Trade Center redevelopment. She led investigations into the health problems of 9/11 first responders. She promoted increased National Institutes of Health funding for research into cancer and asthma. She was the principal author of sanctions – particularly on oil imports to the European Union — that brought Iran to the negotiating table. She helped bring about a 2012 cease-fire between Hamas and Israel that headed off an Israeli invasion of Gaza. She named an “ambassador at large” for women’s rights.

      “Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term,” said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., “has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it.

      http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/endorsements/fl-editorial-hillary-gs0306-20160304-story.html

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      1. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

        Among the many claims she makes for her qualifications is logging more miles at State than any other person. Think about it. At a time every scientific organization in the world calls for urgency that studies man made climate change she was turning Drill Baby Drill into Burn Baby Burn with fracking and being for tar sands/keystone etc etc. Have you read the media interpretation of how she went to Bush for money? Not sure why that was necessary. Were the planes a sign of a mega deal gone bad? Guess we will never know as he was killed being out of the loop in retirement. Remote control war Hillary. No thank you.

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        1. Independent1 April 29, 2016

          Your posts have gotten to moronic for me!! Goodbye!!!!

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          1. bwbw123 April 30, 2016

            And still you post? Are you always so untrustworthy?

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          2. Independent1 April 30, 2016

            If there’s anyone around here that’s untrustworthy it’s you and your hero Bernie. Neither of you do enough thinking about what you’re talking about. You actually create fabrications of reality by blowing things totally out of proportion.

            You need to read this article from the NYTimes before you go around blowing more hot air that’s full of half truths:

            Sanders Over the Edge

            From the beginning, many and probably most liberal policy wonks were skeptical about Bernie Sanders. On many major issues — including the signature issues of his campaign, especially financial reform — he seemed to go for easy slogans over hard thinking. And his political theory of change, his waving away of limits, seemed utterly unrealistic.

            Some Sanders supporters responded angrily when these concerns were raised, immediately accusing anyone expressing doubts about their hero of being corrupt if not actually criminal. But intolerance and cultishness from some of a candidate’s supporters are one thing; what about the candidate himself?

            Unfortunately, in the past few days the answer has become all too clear: Mr. Sanders is starting to sound like his worst followers. Bernie is becoming a Bernie Bro.

            Let me illustrate the point about issues by talking about bank reform.

            The easy slogan here is “Break up the big banks.” It’s obvious why this slogan is appealing from a political point of view: Wall Street supplies an excellent cast of villains. But were big banks really at the heart of the financial crisis, and would breaking them up protect us from future crises?

            Many analysts concluded years ago that the answers to both questions were no. Predatory lending was largely carried out by smaller, non-Wall Street institutions like Countrywide Financial; the crisis itself was centered not on big banks but on “shadow banks” like Lehman Brothers that weren’t necessarily that big. And the financial reform that President Obama signed in 2010 made a real effort to address these problems. It could and should be made stronger, but pounding the table about big banks misses the point.

            Yet going on about big banks is pretty much all Mr. Sanders has done. On the rare occasions on which he was asked for more detail, he didn’t seem to have anything more to offer. And this absence of substance beyond the slogans seems to be true of his positions across the board.
            For more go here:

            http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/opinion/sanders-over-the-edge.html?_r=0

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      2. leadvillexp April 29, 2016

        You and I have spoke before. Hillary is a snake. You speak of “World Trade” attack as so many have. The survivors are victims not heroes. They survived an attack by an enemy of the United States, the fireman and police and people that ran to help were heroes. Survivors are just that survivors. We need to look to the future. Do we keep fighting a losing war in the Mid East or do we move forward with Trump. When you fight a war you kill the enemy. In World War Two we firebombed Dresden, we nuked Hiroshima Etc civilians killed and we won the war. War is not nice and as Saul was told kill all., womon children and dogs cats and all that lives and destroy the city. Take nothing.

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        1. Big Blue May 2, 2016

          Neither Trump NOR Clinton are the answer. They are both part of the problem.

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    4. Independent1 April 29, 2016

      You do realize right, that Hillary is arguably the most qualified candidate that has ever run for the office of America’s presidency?? No other candidate has ever held the office of a Senator and Secretary of State and been the wife of a governor for 8 years (working in politics then) and the wife of a two term president(working in politics then also). And one more caveat, despite what you may think about her being First Lady under Bill Clinton – the Clinton years were the most prosperous years in America’s history!! More jobs were created in those 8 years BY FAR, than under any other president – almost 24 million jobs!!!

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      1. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

        Qualified by making wrong decision after wrong decision and claiming that is experience doesn’t count in the good way of human learning. He did set up a lot of deals for profit which later people have to pay and Hillary did go along with the crime deal and now takes money from the For profit prison industry and endless other industries harmful to life.
        Will Hillary every have to answer for this?
        http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2015/04/hillary-leaves-tracks-in-oil.html

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        1. Independent1 April 29, 2016

          Wrong decisions only your demented far left-wing biased fantasy mind.

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          1. bwbw123 April 30, 2016

            In the mind of the universal consciousness/most aware and willing to call corruption and recklessness for what they are. Millions and millions and growing.

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          2. Big Blue May 2, 2016

            NAFTA. Your point is moot.

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      2. leadvillexp April 29, 2016

        Qualified? She is playing the women’s card. She wants to let possible terrorists into the country, give our tax dollars to illegal immigrants and take away our right to defend our self with firearms. I am not an “Anti”. I stand for a women’s right to choose, legal immigrants, gay rights and the right to bear arms to protect oneself. These are the rights of free people. Government has no rights that are not given but by the people. Hillary will take away those rights, VOTE TRUMP! I would reconsider if Bernie won. I stand behind much of what Bernie stands for! Hell could freeze over and I still would not support a Clinton!

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        1. Independent1 April 29, 2016

          Your posts are such unadulterated BS that responding to them is a total waste of time!!!

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          1. leadvillexp April 30, 2016

            Glad you wasted your time. It means you paid attention. Would I vote for Bernie? Maybe. I am still open. Yes I am for Trump as I see him as the only spokesman for the Constitution and Bill of Rights, the documents of our freedom Hillary would take that away. She is a dictator the same as our Governor Cuomo. As Virginia said Sic Semper Tyyrannis Thus always to tyrants. Some of us still believe in freedom and tyrants will fall!

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          2. Big Blue May 2, 2016

            It’s kinda hard to argue that someone is for the Constitution when he’s apparently not aware that the office of the POTUS cannot write law and cannot do anything of any permanence without Congress.
            As for the Bill of Rights? Well… that’s part of the Constitution. Kinda redundant listing it. Trump is about Trump. Period. Clinton may be bought and paid for by the megacorps but Trump is their poster child and one of them.
            He’s used to being an owner/CEO. That’s a dictator that runs companies how he wants, when he wants in the direction he wants. That is what a dictator does, NOT a POTUS.
            Neither Clinton nor Trump are fit for the WH.

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          3. leadvillexp May 3, 2016

            As I said I might reconsider if Bernie was on the Ballot. Yes I do know what the POTUS can do. The three branches are supposed to keep checks and balance on each other but lately the Legislative has been turning over it’s rights to POTUS and SCOTUS is giving judgement according to what Party put them in office. The checks and balances are failing.

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          4. leadvillexp April 30, 2016

            While I respect your right to believe in Hillary I must disagree. The Clintons are dirt bags, Independent1 I respect your beliefs but you are wrong. She will take down the country.

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      3. Big Blue May 2, 2016

        No, she isn’t qualified.
        What she has proven during that whole time to those of us NOT being told what to think is that her word cannot be trusted. She has too many shady business deals, too many suits against her for campaign fraud, far too many questionable political decisions.
        Add to that she acts as if she’s entitled to the presidency and the fact that she’s been bought and paid for by Wall St. and NO, she is most definitely NOT qualified.
        And BTW? The Clintons brought us NAFTA, THE single largest reason our economy is so shaky.

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    5. leadvillexp April 29, 2016

      I voted for President Bush twice and regretted the second time, voted for President Obama twice and regretted the second time. I am a Republican and am now behind Trump but would reconsider if Bernie was the Democrat. I would like to see the losers of the primaries run as independents. A four way election would be real Democracy. It hasn’t been done since Lincoln. I would not vote for a Clinton even if hell froze over.

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      1. Big Blue May 2, 2016

        There have always been other options. Last presidential election there were 6 people on the ballot, I’m betting you couldn’t name more than 2 MAYBE 3 of them without google.
        They’re there. We’ve just been programed and told to ignore them.

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    6. Independent1 April 29, 2016

      “I fear if HC is nominated and elected she will cast away any of what Senator Bernie Sanders and his supporters have insisted she act upon.” You know full well that’s a bald-faced lie!! In Hillary’s speech on winning 4 of the 5 last primaries she praised and thanked Bernie for a number of the agenda issues he has been pushing and agreed that Dems have to come together and has acknowledged that a lot of what he is pushing for needs to be addressed. But unfortunately, clueless people like you fail to realize that a lot of what Bernie would like to do SIMPLY IS NOT EVEN VAGUELY DOABLE UNLESS THERE IS A TOTAL REVAMPING OF CONGRESS!!!

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      1. ScubaSuzy April 30, 2016

        “You know that’s a bald-faced lie!!” Excuse me, “Indepent1” but I am voicing my concerns and concerns are not “lies.” Name calling is childish and shows your lack of social skills. Screaming is also unacceptable. So instead of having a discussion, you prefer to throw things and have a tantrum. No need to respond. I can’t have a sensible give and take conversation with someone who is unwilling to have an intelligent exchange of thoughts and ideas.

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        1. Independent1 April 30, 2016

          Well EXCUSE ME!! But I’ve had it right up to my eyeballs with you Bernie Nuts – and it’s not just me – there are articles after articles on the web about you Bernie nut cases. And anyone who says that if Bernie doesn’t get the nomination that they won’t vote for Hillary at a time like 2016 where the future of America is at stake IS A FLAT OUT MORON!! So go somewhere and pout all you want because I’m flat out tired of trying to reason with one Bernie Nut after another who just discounts every valid point I try to make about how they’re blowing Hillary totally out of proportion, and for them to claim they’re not going to vote for Hillary when it’s clear Bernie is unelectable – IS JUST FLAT OUT CHILDISH!!!

          And see just one other article from someone else as to just how childish and aggravating you Bernie Nuts are:

          From the beginning, many and probably most liberal policy wonks were skeptical about Bernie Sanders. On many major issues — including the signature issues of his campaign, especially financial reform — he seemed to go for easy slogans over hard thinking. And his political theory of change, his waving away of limits, seemed utterly unrealistic.

          Some Sanders supporters responded angrily when these concerns were raised, immediately accusing anyone expressing doubts about their hero of being corrupt if not actually criminal. But intolerance and cultishness from some of a candidate’s supporters are one thing; what about the candidate himself?

          Unfortunately, in the past few days the answer has become all too clear: Mr. Sanders is starting to sound like his worst followers. Bernie is becoming a Bernie Bro.

          Let me illustrate the point about issues by talking about bank reform.

          The easy slogan here is “Break up the big banks.” It’s obvious why this slogan is appealing from a political point of view: Wall Street supplies an excellent cast of villains. But were big banks really at the heart of the financial crisis, and would breaking them up protect us from future crises?

          Many analysts concluded years ago that the answers to both questions were no. Predatory lending was largely carried out by smaller, non-Wall Street institutions like Countrywide Financial; the crisis itself was centered not on big banks but on “shadow banks” like Lehman Brothers that weren’t necessarily that big. And the financial reform that President Obama signed in 2010 made a real effort to address these problems. It could and should be made stronger, but pounding the table about big banks misses the point.

          Bernie Sanders is over the edge

          http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/opinion/sanders-over-the-edge.html?_r=0

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          1. Big Blue May 2, 2016

            Yes, breaking up the big banks WOULD protect us. And yes, they WERE at the heart of the “crisis”. Many of those toxic loans were bought by the larger banks (funny how he doesn’t mention that), nor does he mention that those very same banks he’s defending OWN the FED.
            The next time you post something someone else told you to believe, you might wanna double check it first. |
            And that frustration? That’s what we’ve been feeling about you left/right drones for decades.

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    1. bwbw123 April 29, 2016

      http://buzzpo.com/anonymous-blew-lid-off-hillary-clinton/

      While this may be a right wing hit piece it is amazing how much seems to ether be true or ethically challenging at a minimum. It does seem to explain some of the bad calls shown by above.

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    2. Independent1 April 29, 2016

      Got to remember there chump that Bernie was a communist sympathizer in his younger days – so he was pretty free wheeling about a lot of things!!!

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      1. bwbw123 April 30, 2016

        Bernie/Warren for the above reasons and many others. Even if Hillary gets the stolen position it would be unlikely she would not be indicted/impeached or just decide trying to defend her endless bad ways to pay back all the corrupters is too much of a wretched endeavor.

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      2. Big Blue May 2, 2016

        Get your facts straight before you post like this and qualify as a bona fide liar.

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    3. Big Blue May 2, 2016

      I am SO stealing this!

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  19. leadvillexp April 29, 2016

    Hillary scares the hell out of me. I am a Republican that voted for Bush twice and regretted his second term, voted for President Obama twice and regretted his second term. If hell froze over I wouldn’t vote for a Clinton! I support Trump but would be open to support Bernie if he won. If Clinton wins I will spend every dollar i have to defeat her.

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    1. Aaron_of_Portsmouth April 29, 2016

      You’re one confused fellow. Are you that much a slave to a misanthrope and one who is a darling to all racists in America? If so, then you are in a perilous spiritual state.

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      1. leadvillexp April 29, 2016

        I am not confused! I vote for the best. I have read the Federalist Papers, the Anti Federalist Paper, Washington’s Farewell address and I would recommend any one that wants to know about a free people read them. They prophresize the future. Our Forefathers saw today. Look at the choice. At this time Trump is our best hope. I believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, fight for them and put my money where my mouth is. I have spent hundreds against the NY Safe Act.in court. I am an Agnostic and don’t try to speak for God but believe it exists. I believe in Gay rights, womons rights and the right to protect yourself with a firearm. I am not an “Anti” and always pro. Any one that votes Hlllary is confused. She will bring you Arab terrorists and illegal immigrants.

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        1. Big Blue May 1, 2016

          Trump is hardly the best choice. Which is worse, Clinton or Trump? I honestly do not know. I’m waiting to see what else if offered in the general election.

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          1. leadvillexp May 1, 2016

            I too would like to see more offered. How about a four way? Clinton, Trump, Bernie and whom ever the Republicans pick at the convention. It would be interesting to have a Republican, Democrat and two Independents.

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          2. Big Blue May 1, 2016

            I was just in that very same discussion last night. With Sanders and Trump as independents, Cruz (R) and Clinton(D) would very quickly find themselves irrelevant.

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          3. Big Blue May 2, 2016

            Last presidential election there were 7 candidates on the ballot. You were only told you could vote for 2. They even went so far as to remove and arrest one of them who showed up at the first presidential debate AS a presidential candidate on (at the time) 48 states.
            Her crime? She didn’t’ have a (D) or an (R) after her name.
            There are ALWAYS other options. All you have to do is look for them. 🙂

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          4. leadvillexp May 2, 2016

            You are right but could any of those options win? As it stands today in a four way like I said all stand an equal chance to win. All have great name recognition and many supporters.

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          5. Big Blue May 2, 2016

            It is not about who has the best chance of winning.
            It is and always has been about who YOU, JUST YOU, think is the best person for the job.
            NOT which of the options you’re being told to vote for is the least disgusting.
            THIS is the fallacy that’s been sold the American people and keeps us from seeing our will done.

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          6. leadvillexp May 3, 2016

            What you say is correct but when you know one of the two bad people will win you work to get the lesser of two evils.

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          7. Big Blue May 3, 2016

            Only because you’ve been told you have to.
            I refuse to accept that. I WILL vote for the person I feel is best for the job and not the person I feel has the best chance of not being the worst choice.

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          8. Charles Winter May 1, 2016

            Which is the best choice? A republic or a fascist state? I’ll take a republic every time. Vote for Hillary, and keep up the pressure to move left.

            If you vote for Trump, pray that all of his campaign promises were lies.

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          9. Big Blue May 2, 2016

            There are more options that that. We don’t know who they are because we are not in the general election yet.
            By limiting yourself to the people you’ve been told to vote for, you’re limiting this country and keeping those who wish to control it and took it from us in power. Neither Trump NOR Clinton are the answer and, truth be told, are BOTH part of the problem.

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        2. RobertCHastings May 2, 2016

          The gentlemen who signed our founding documents had no vision of what the world would like like 230years in the future. At the time of our Revolution, there were no futurists who were predicting a world population of 7 billion, let alone ANY of the technological advances that have made warfare a potential species-ending threat. Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, Washington, even Franklin were NOT predicting universal suffrage, and could not have, even on a multiple-choice form, predicted ANY of the issues that have faced the Supreme Court over the past six years. In case you haven’t noticed, we ALREADY (thanks to the Bushes and Reagan) have illegal immigrants and Arab terrorists. You are woefully lacking in any factual understanding of the propositions you are considering, especially a split Democratic Party in November.

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          1. leadvillexp May 2, 2016

            You are correct if you take everything in the literal sense. They understood the rights of free individuals and the function of government. We, as citizens run the government. The government does not run us. they would be appalled to see forced health care, the strict regulation of fire arms and the welfare state we live in today. George Washington warned about the formation of Parties and he was spot on about the outcome. He also warned against getting involved in other countries problems and most favored status. They may not have seen weapons of mass destruction but they understood human nature.

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      2. Independent1 April 29, 2016

        leadvillexp is clearly a right-wing troll who’s trying to sell posters here on the notion that he’s not a diehard GOP lover that has voted for Obama – pure BS!! Just a typical GOP loving troll trick to, as you notice, get a jab in at Obama and Hillary too. He knows full well Bernie doesn’t stand a chance at getting nominated so he’s willing to pretend he would vote for him – more BS.

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  20. RobertCHastings May 2, 2016

    Sarandon is smart enough to know that, given past performances of American voters, if Bernie supporters refuse to vote for Hillary we will be looking at a Trump presidency, essentially ruining any chances this country has of being great again. While Trump MAY not be as conservative as he wants his base to believe (given his support of a woman’s choice and other issues), his position at the top of the Republican ballot will sweep back into office a Republican majority in both Houses of Congress and assure the appointment over the next eight years of conservative Federal judges, which will prove ultimately disastrous for this democracy.

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  21. dpaano September 22, 2016

    She’s always been a little wacky from what I understand.

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