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Reprinted with permission from CT Viewpoints.

With the election of a Republican president and control of the U.S. Congress by Republicans, you’d think Planned Parenthood is in trouble. Defunding the reproductive health organization has been for years a rallying cry among Republicans, especially Christian conservatives opposed to abortion. With the GOP now in power, it would seem the tide has finally turned.

It hasn’t. In fact, Planned Parenthood has the advantage.

What gives Planned Parenthood the advantage is the insistence among leading Republicans to tie together two things that should not be tied together if Republicans hope to protect their majority. They evidently believe their majority, especially in the House, is impervious, because they have linked the defunding of Planned Parenthood (to the tune of $500 million) with their proposed replacement for the Affordable Care Act.

The Republican Party has always been between a rock and a hard place when it comes to the health care law. Though often called Obamacare, the program is a fundamentally conservative creature that maintains a role for private health insurers when a saner public policy scheme would have been Medicare for All.

So whatever they proposed, the path was always going to be treacherous. But when the Republicans rolled out a replacement Tuesday called the American Health Care Act, it was clear the very same people railing against “death panels” for eight long years still have no idea what they are doing.

The proposed law would cut $600 billion out of the federal budget, but almost all the savings would go to the very affluent. Meanwhile, subsidies to ordinary people would vanish. In their place, the Republicans aim to offer tax credits to buy private insurance. The new law would also repeal the mandate requiring everyone to buy insurance or pay a penalty.

In terms of policy, this is not smart. Subsidies allowed millions to pay for insurance upfront. Under the new plan, people would have to wait for reimbursement after Tax Day. This won’t work. Most Americans can’t pay for insurance now and wait to be paid back later. They do not have ready cash.

Nixing the “individual mandate” means healthy people will leave the insurance pool, leaving sicker people behind, which will in turn raise the cost of health care for everyone, even those already covered. House Speaker Paul Ryan habitually uses the phrase “death spiral” to describe Obamacare. The real death spiral awaits if the Republicans pass this bill.

But policy isn’t why Republicans —specifically, Republicans representing affluent white suburban districts won by Hillary Clinton — are worried. These Republicans face no fallout from constituents getting major tax cuts. They have no fear of constituents losing health insurance, because their affluent white suburban supporters do not require federal subsidies. But there is one thing these Republicans fear, and fear gravely.

An overt assault on women.

If you defund Planned Parenthood, you send a signal to all of your female voters that women’s issues don’t count. That’s what freshman congressman U.S. Rep. John Faso, who represents parts of the Hudson Valley, told the GOP leadership last month during a retreat. He said: “We are just walking into a gigantic political trap if we go down this path of sticking Planned Parenthood in the health insurance bill. If you want to do it somewhere else, I have no problem, but I think we are creating a political minefield for ourselves —House and Senate.”

The Democrats are banking on it. If they stay unified in the Congress, they can squeeze vulnerable blue-state Republicans. The Democrats need 24 seats to retake the House in 2018. You can bet every Republican like Faso has a big fat imaginary bull’s eye on his back.

The minefield isn’t limited to the U.S. Congress. Republican leaders in blue states are concerned, too. Fight for tax relief all you want, the thinking goes, but please please pretty please don’t enrage the women. That’s why GOP Gov. Charlie Baker, of Massachusetts, is talking about replacing whatever might be lost in federal funds with state funds. That’s why Republican moderates are asking the party leadership to decouple Planned Parenthood from health care reform, because if you insist on tying them together, the party may end up losing twice.

There may be another way of looking at this, and it’s upside down. There is no win for the Republicans in repealing and replacing Obamacare. As I said, it is already a conservative program. The party has distorted reality so much that austerity freaks like the Club for Growth, Americans for Prosperity, and Freedomworks are already opposing it. So are powerful nonpartisan groups like the American Medical Association and the AARP. If the Republicans mess this up, they will suffer, big league. They may pay a price for gutting Planned Parenthood, but the price will surely be higher if they foul up health care reform.

Which is why some think there’s a reason the GOP leadership insists on coupling Planned Parenthood with replacing Obamacare. If they were separate, the party would have no one to blame when they foul up health care reform. But by poisoning the replacement plan with a defunding plan, they can blame their failure on a familiar foe, Planned Parenthood.

It would be genius if it weren’t so short-sighted.

John Stoehr is a lecturer in political science at Yale and a New Haven resident.

IMAGE: Anti-abortion activists (L) rally next to supporters of Planned Parenthood outside a Planned Parenthood clinic in Detroit, Michigan, U.S. February 11, 2017. REUTERS/Rebecca Cook

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82 Comments

  1. Mama Bear March 9, 2017

    Honestly I am not sure I can take 4 years, or even 2 years of this terminal ignorance.

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    1. Lynda Groom March 9, 2017

      I know just how you feel. I wake up each morning and think just what in the hell have they done today? This drip, drip drip of arrogance and ignorance can make you crazy.

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    2. Joan March 10, 2017

      There is a new “outrage” everyday from the Bannon administration. I watched an hour and a half of news last night and literally got sick to my stomach. We still don’t have an non partisan investigation of Russian interference in our elections. Trump has not devested or created a blind trust. Far from draining the swamp we now have new and exotic creatures – surrvialists and openly White Supremacist in addition to the lobbies. Trump loyalist cannot pass Senate confirmation processes and so he is starving our essential agencies – like the State Department. We become less safe everyday.

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  2. Aaron_of_Portsmouth March 9, 2017

    The contradictions presented by the GOP and the anti-abortionists are striking and makes one wonder if they ever took the time to think rationally. The urge to want to impose one’s ethics on others is anti-Christian, as vividly outlined by even a casual perusal of the Revelation uttered from the mouth of Jesus in eloquent terms and noted later by those who we can at least acknowledge that the disciples did their best to recall the general Message of Jesus. There is NO indication specifically on the matter of abortion, simply because that wasn’t to be a concern for at least 1900 years—so the thinking around the subject is largely based on conjecture and guess-work by those Christians who insist on their particular interpretations being taken as coming directly from God to Christendom.
    Until something from an “authorized” Institution associated with the Baha’i Faith, then we are obliged to leave the question of the fetus to the mother.

    And furthermore, the same concern shown for the unborn child should also be duplicated by showing concern for children killed in the cross-fire of gun nuts, or girls being raped by male relatives or priests. These same rabid anti-abortionists are never in the streets over these assaults and destruction of psyches.

    Obviously, the matter isn’t so cut and dry as our McDonald-like fast expectations on complex issues would like.

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    1. Independent1 March 9, 2017

      Whatever God’s answer to abortion may be, I think any good Christian would agree that the fewer women who would end up in a situation to have to choose to having or not having an abortion, the better. So the question here, shouldn’t be what God thinks about aborting a fetus, but rather doing whatever would result in having fewer women having to decide about having an abortion.

      If that is the agreed objective, that there should be fewer women having to choose whether to carry a fetus to term or not, then the approach today’s Republicans are pursuing by defunding Planned Parenthood, is not going to accomplish that objective despite their misguided notion. Because the fact is,that where abortions are banned or illegal, more women have abortions; so where abortions are banned, not only are there more abortions but more women end up dying during an abortion attempt because many then have to choose a quack instead of a bona fide doctor to perform the abortion.

      So right from the gitgo, today’s Republicans are pursuing a failed approach at reducing abortions – if in fact, that’s really their objective, which I’m not sure it is. I think most Republican politicians are non Christians and are working to defund PP because they believe it will save them tax dollars. I don’t really think the religious aspects really play a part with the majority of today’s money hungry GOP politicians.

      What needs to be addressed with the some of the religious community, is there nonsensical belief of banning contraceptives. Continuing to believe that God is still looking for humans to procreate like rabbits. When I feel God made it clear that he no longer wants that to continue when he had Jesus make it clear, that God will only accept one marriage in a person’s lifetime; that divorce is taboo except in the case of death or infidelity of a spouse.

      There had to be a reason why for centuries, God said nothing about patriarchs who were having children with their wives handmaidens and many even had concubines. The original definition of adultery was sexual relations between two people married to other spouses. But when Jesus came, all that changed, and why?

      It’s my feeling that more than 2000 years ago, God could see that procreation was working so well that the world was on the path to overpopulation; and therefore, by insisting that humans work to go through life with only one spouse, God was working to prevent humans from getting into the tendency of easy divorce – and thereby especially men, going about having numerous children with different spouses (marrying one having a child or two, divorcing that one and marrying another and so on).

      So somehow, these religions who seem to have their heads in the sand, need to wake up and realize that God is no longer looking for women to be baby machines; and that they need to stop working to block women from getting contraceptives, thereby allowing women to better plan their families by protecting themselves from unwanted pregnancies; which will create fewer situations where abortions are need. If we can achieve that, then fewer religious organizations would be supporting the GOP’s nonsensical attempts to defund PP.

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      1. Mama Bear March 10, 2017

        maybe someone on the Democrat side (I’m thinking Elizabeth Warren) will add an addendum to the bill…..removing funding for viagra and such drugs that keep men capable of reproducing well beyond “god’s” intended time frame.

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker March 10, 2017

          Some men love to play that script over and over that Viagra helps with “erectile dysfunction.” So suddenly half the population of American man ALL have erectile dysfunction?

          Senator Warren is already under attack by men like McComical McConnell and Ratbag Ryan. These two believe they are the sole power of the ConMEN engine in Congress today.

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      2. Eleanore Whitaker March 10, 2017

        I have a non-religious view of the issue of abortion that agrees with yours. Are men too stupid to say “No?” Back in the 70s, the Monsignor in my church asked me, a divorced woman, to teach CCD classes. I was leery at first and suspicious of his motives. then, I realized what he was trying to do was use me an example of reality.

        I mention this because in teaching CCD I had to teach the Old Testament to the 6th grade class I was responsible for. I loathed the idea that since Adam and Eve, Eve gets the blame for Adam eating “the forbidden fruit.” “SHE” tempted “HIM.” So I decided to ask the students what would Adam say if Eve told him to take out the garbage. The boys in the class all yelled, “NO! Take it out yourself!”

        Get it yet? The male species seem unable to take accountability for their sexuality. So it’s always the woman’s fault if “SHE” gets “herself” pregnant. Sorry but I know men are not stupid. I refuse to accept that they are innocent lambs led to slaughter by the female vixen species.

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    2. Dominick Vila March 10, 2017

      The most disgusting facet of this issue is that the far right is using the right to choose to justify decisions on a number of issues, such as healthcare and education, while denying women the same right when it involves what they consider religious matters important to them.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker March 10, 2017

        The far right must be identified as doing Putin’s bidding. Putin hates liberals. Do does the far right. Putin hates government he can’t control. So does the far right. Putin hates democracy. So does the far right because the far right thinks of democracy as too much “liberalism”

        Time to call the far right what they are: Putin’s comrades.

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  3. Dominick Vila March 10, 2017

    As bad as de-funding Planned Parenthood, and the eventual repeal of Roe V Wade are, they are the least of our worries. The worst part of what is happening in the USA today is the rise of Fascism, overt racial and cultural hatred, and decisions designed to undermine democracy and freedom in the USA.

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    1. dpaano March 10, 2017

      What I find hard to deal with is the outright hatred in this world. We used to be able to discuss politics without getting into fist fights…..now, you walk on eggs even around friends because you’re afraid that you’ll roust some anger! People have lost friends, families have turned against other family members…..where does it all end?

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      1. Dominick Vila March 11, 2017

        I noticed that in my own family.

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  4. Mama Bear March 10, 2017

    If this happens a great many very worthy charities will lose a great many contributions as we shift our donations to PP.

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker March 10, 2017

      As a former Republican woman of 33 years, there is one thing about Republican Conservative men I know…They want to control women and the world. Defunding is how they do it.

      Until women begin to realize that is not what we pay taxes for. We are not under any Constitutional obligation to keep bilionaires in business through our tax dollars. That’s why Republican men want to privatize the entire government: to make sure ALL tax dollars go to them first. Typical male attitude: ME FIRST to hell with everyone else.

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      1. Mama Bear March 10, 2017

        way too many women are stupid and would prefer to remain child like than stand up and be a whole person.

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker March 10, 2017

          Actually, if you follow Congressional sessions on CSpan, you’d see that the contingent of women in Congress has grown to proportions loathed by their male counterpart. Lewis L. Gould wrote a great book on the modern history of the US Senate entitled “The Most Exclusive Club.” All men at the time he wrote the book.

          The only women today who remain under educated and dependent on men are women too scared of making it on their own. Here in the Metro region, women are powerhouses who take no prisoners. They can’t afford to. They are on to the machinations their male counterparts try to get away with.

          If Trump goes down, it won’t be because of the men in this country. Count on it. It will be the women. A single woman took down Enron and with all the bungling done by this Pretender to the Presidency, it will no doubt be a woman who does the Martha Mitchell on Trump.

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          1. Mama Bear March 10, 2017

            I for one want a front row seat for that!

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker March 10, 2017

            What was that intro Edward R. Murrow always used, “All things as they are, except YOU are there?” rofl.

            I don’t think the Republican men in this country are prepared for the backlash they are going to get for their attempts at controlling women who pay equal taxes from unequal wages.

            There is a wonderful new group out there teaching women how to become involved in government. They’ve recruited 122 women already on local levels to run for office.

            In my own town, the all male bastion of the Town Council is no more. Now there is an equal number of women on the council to my shock and awe. lol.

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      2. dpaano March 10, 2017

        It almost makes me want to NOT pay my taxes this year! It appalls me that my hard-earned tax dollars are going to go to fund 45’s week-end jaunts to Mar-a-Lago so he can play a round of golf!

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    2. dpaano March 10, 2017

      I just added them to my list of donations…….along with the ACLU, Doctor’s without Borders, etc., etc., etc.

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  5. Eleanore Whitaker March 10, 2017

    From any educated woman’s point of view, asking women to contribute to Medicare that pays for men to get their Viagra is enough to make any woman go ballistic. That’s number one.

    Women are not fooled that men like Ryan, Chaffetz, Issa, McConnell and the rest of the Mutton Chops and Corn Pone Kings ALL view defunding Planned Parenthood as their way of “controlling women.” Why? Simple. With so many women now entering the House and Senate, these men are like the teen boys who go to parties unescorted and find out they are outnumbered 10 to 1 by teen girls. So the “boys” hang together thick as thieves knowing their “presence” as a boys solidarity is bound to “intimidate” the girls.

    Men do this all the time. Put one man in a room full of women and they run like the wind. That’s why these southern and midwestern males turn on the charm in public hoping they will snow women who will believe butter wouldn’t melt in their honey coated mouths. Yeah. Right.

    Men love to rely on the lame excuse that Viagra is used for “other” purposes than a 5 hour erection. But when women say they need Planned Parenthood for “other” purposes, men like Ratbagger Ryan and the Chafing Chaffetz, put their stamp of disapproval on anything that benefits women.

    Since Ratbagger Ryan’s Daddy died when he was younger, it is obvious he railed against the only authority in his life…Mommy. Now, he has to prove his “MANhood” by sticking it to women.

    I sure hope he realizes that won’t get him anywhere with financially independent women in this country who outnumber men by a 52% margin.

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    1. Mama Bear March 10, 2017

      Amen. so right

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  6. RichFromShowMe March 10, 2017

    There are around 650 Planned Parenthood facilities and around 9,000 community health centers in America.

    Most people who have the ability to realize that 9,000 is a larger number than 650 then draw a conclusion that the 9,000 are “closer to the population they serve” and should receive the bulk of the $500 Million so they can service their populations better.

    If rational thought were employed PP might received around 10% of the 500 million and the rest would be spread to the community health centers who are closer in proximity to their service population.

    But, unfortunately Rational Thought is not a common product of Congress 🙂

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker March 10, 2017

      If rational thought and common sense isn’t a common product look at the reason why. Where do most of the Republican majority live? Where were most raised and by whom?

      When you live in states that predicate which religion you must practice and which ideology you are allowed to believe, you get a bunch of middle age hick boys like Ryan, Chaffetz, Issa, Cotton, Gowdy and Cruz all yahooing their way to 10 seconds of fame and attention.

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      1. Independent1 March 10, 2017

        Eleanor, keep in mind that this troll you’re blogging with is not capable of anything that resembles ‘rational thought’.

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker March 10, 2017

          This is just another Russian commie infiltrating media on Putin’s orders. There is enough evidence now to prove that our election was comprised. The question now is “HOW” compromised. Enough to now be capable of creating the same kind of lies Putin plants in his “Sputnik” fake news?

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        2. dpaano March 10, 2017

          Especially if he thinks conservatives are “rational and sane!”

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      2. RichFromShowMe March 10, 2017

        Actually I “would have” hoped you believe in the Constitution which guarantees no discrimination between those who practice a religion of their choice or practice no religion. No American State predicates what religion is practiced . . . this is a stretch even for you 🙂

        Republicans were raised by parents who encouraged them to think independently and to be responsible for their actions and words. Does this differ from the way Democrats are raised?

        As for naming names, how about starting with most of those Dems who have been associated with the obmaba Regime.

        http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2017/02/carr_it_s_the_desperate_democrats_who_are_truly_deranged

        Dems would have had a Socialist as their candidate if not for skull-duggery that shot his chances down or the current Communist and Radical Socialist picks who will continue running the DNC into the ground.

        The DNC really needs to look at itself and decide “IF” they want to foster American Independence and Personal Responsibility.

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker March 10, 2017

          As a man, you are disqualified from any opinions on what women can do with their bodies. Get over it. As for Republicans, when Paul Ryan Republican Speaker of the House says in a Congressional session “If God wanted babies to be aborted, he wouldn’t have allowed women to get pregnant in the first place.” Another get over it.

          As for religion and the Republican States, did you want to explain how in Utah, one Utah town has an entire government of Mormons? What no Catholic women? No Jewish Women?

          I don’t know who men like you think you are fooling with your backhanded Mr. MAN act, but it isn’t women with educations that exceed yours or women whose ability to make it on their own makes men like you all the more a bunch of control freaks.

          The right wing in this country is as dangerous as Putin and all for the SAME reasons: Trying to BE the only government.

          You know that will NEVER happen anymore than Bannon will ever remain in the Trump Organization. Funny isn’t it? You boys know so much about women’s bodies, more than even women do, but you also don’t mind a little slap and tickle with women you are not married to. How about a little of your morality for Trump, Gingrich and Guiliani with 9 wives among all 3 of them?

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          1. RichFromShowMe March 10, 2017

            I don’t disagree with anything you stated, but cannot understand HOW you can equate what I stated with your harangue, unless your suffering from some sort of mental illness 🙂

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker March 10, 2017

            More to the point, you CAN’T disagree because it would fly in the face of all of the things you were taught by your parents about right and wrong. Sorry but you mental illness claim only proves you are so far below my level of intelligence.

            Remember, Trump pulls the same kind of stunt. Everyone to him is mentally ill, less educated and yet, he is a total failure. His only forte is the ability to hide the truth from the world.

            I live in NJ. No way for any Trump supporter to hide what he did to the taxpayers of NJ, his casino and hotel employees and the contractors he stiffed. No gets 3 federal lawsuits in a single week. This week? Trump did.

            Check your own mental stability, Mine is validated. Yours can’t be.

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          3. RichFromShowMe March 10, 2017

            Sorry, but I’m not concerned about my mental ability, though I am an old Vietnam Vet and we’re supposed to be crazy for serving our country . . . as far as Leftists are concerned.

            I have an advanced degree and have been in software development business for 35 years.

            I have stuck with Conservative Blogs for years and have never, ever, seen so much vile language used in just the few days (4 or 5?) I’ve been on this blog.

            I only posted here to see if the reports from others was true . . . many of those who profess to be on the Left, are actually nearer in thought, language and writings to your new DNC Chairman and Vice-Chairman

            http://politistick.com/10-quick-facts-you-must-know-about-new-dnc-chair-communist-tom-perez/

            http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/11/23/dnc-chair-candidate-cancels-nyt-interview-to-avoid-questions-about-this-person/

            So I think I will go back to the Rational and Sane thought practices of Conservative Blogs – signing off 🙂

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          4. ⭐️ I Am Helpy ⭐️ March 10, 2017

            OK traitor coward. Thanks for sharing the opinions the Koch brothers told you to have.

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          5. dpaano March 10, 2017

            You do that……tootles!

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          6. dtgraham March 10, 2017

            Good luck. Going from the National Memo to the right-wingnut sites would be like going from taking a tour of Disneyland, to taking a tour of the hot greasy dumpster behind Denny’s.

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          7. RichFromShowMe March 10, 2017

            Rarely, if ever, on Conservative Blogs, does one see the level of vile language that is resorted to here, when reasoning or ideology is challenged with FACTS. 🙂

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          8. dtgraham March 10, 2017

            That’s BS and you know it. I’ve seen the language at Fox Nation among others. The internet is what it is, as they say.

            What riles some here is the sheer lack of factual information, human reason, and the most basic grasp of causal inference from the right wing posters. With some exceptions, I’ve seen it over and over again.

            What can be really irritating is that many of them think they’ve really got it going on, and you’re the low information one. However, when you check into their posts from the most credible non-partisan sources you can find, you discover that even their facts and stats are way off. That’s if they even bother with them.

            They’ve got some alternative reality happening, and wildly inappropriate and incorrect conclusions that something is, or is likely to be, the cause of something else. A lot of that comes from your conservative websites that traffic in a fever swamp of misinformation and outright falsehoods, designed to mislead…on purpose.

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          9. RichFromShowMe March 11, 2017

            You may be correct . . . . but why are the radical statements made on this blog rarely, if ever, backed up by any evidence to support them and if they are challenged the response is with vile language rather than FACTS?

            As for “alternative reality”, America just completed eight years of that and it wasn’t a fun trip with higher unemployment, more folks on welfare, open warfare in American Cities, doubling of our national debt and absolute dissolution of America’s leadership in international affairs.

            Now, that’s ‘Alternative Reality’ . . . . . squared 🙂

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          10. dtgraham March 11, 2017

            More broad, vague, meaningless, subjective statements from the right, mostly backed up by nothing.

            Higher unemployment? It’s been well under 5% for years, which is where it was before the great depression started.

            Dissolution of America’s leadership? What does that even mean, precisely? One thing can be measured precisely: positive views of America increased greatly during the Obama years. Numbers that I’ve seen had America’s positive ratings increase by orders of 20-30% across much of Europe, compared to the Bush years.

            Open warfare in cities? Hyperbole much? Nationally, crime has dropped 23 percent since 2006. Violent crime — which includes murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault — has been falling on an almost uninterrupted basis since the early 1990s. There have been short term upticks in violent crime in cities, over a year for example, but the longer term downward trend is unmistakable.

            More folks on welfare? The rise in food stamps started long before Obama took office, and accelerated as America plunged into the worst economic recession since the Great Depression. The economic downturn really began in December 2007. In the 12 months before Obama was sworn in, 4.4 million were added to the rolls, which was triple the 1.4 million added in 2007.

            Poverty and welfare were already on the upswing when Obama took office as the economy hurtled toward a meltdown. Before George W. Bush took office, the poverty rate was 11.3 percent. When he left, it was 14.3 percent. So it’s not as if Obama interrupted a rapidly improving poverty rate. In fact, the trajectory of poverty turned around under Obama, and it continued to fall. Still, poverty did grow under Obama. What he did was to expand a lot of programs that most directly affect the poorest Americans’ lives, and, according to many experts in that field, he did an admirable job.

            “Obama did a good job in a really tough situation. Poverty would have increased a lot more without what he did,” said Timothy Smeeding, professor of public affairs at the University of Wisconsin, Madison and former director of that school’s Institute for Research on Poverty. “The American Recovery and Relief Act [the 2009 stimulus] did a great job helping our bottom end [of earners].”

            It’s true that the debt nearly doubled under Obama. It’s a vast overstatement though to place the entire blame on Obama. It’s complicated. Some of the debt increase was already projected to occur before anything was signed by Obama. Moreover, spending and tax decisions are primarily the responsibility of Congress and often end up being the result of actions (or inactions) agreed upon by both Congress and the President. Then you have the economic meltdown of 2008-09, which was a huge factor for years.

            One of his biggest mistakes was to not reverse all of the Bush tax cuts in those first two years by letting them sunset. If you think that’s not important, take a look at the 4 budget surpluses of the late 90’s after Clinton’s tax increases. The United States has been in a structural deficit position since 2001. He wasn’t allowed to reverse them after 2010. In fact, he wasn’t allowed to do much of anything after 2010 because of a Republican Congress who vowed to sabotage him. Books have now been written about their sacred vow of January 2009. Who knows what he might have accomplished?

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          11. dpaano March 13, 2017

            Many of us on this site have given links, evidence, etc. to back up our statements, but the trolls don’t seem to have the time or the energy to actually check them and they often don’t provide their links, and when they do, they are from alt right sites…..the purveyors of most of the false news that is out there! You get to the point where you don’t bother to give them links to the truth because they don’t believe it anyway, choosing to only believe the conservative news blogs and their mostly untrue and unproven comments!

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          12. dpaano March 13, 2017

            Again, you are wrong. The unemployment rate dropped significantly and there are fewer people on welfare! As for the so-called “open warfare” in some of our American cities….you need to look at the police departments in those cities. Our Federal government has no control over state police departments…..maybe you need to blame it all on the states with governors who are Republicans….these are the ones with the most problems. As for international affairs, we were doing very well until 45 took over….now we’ve got North Korea setting off ballistic missiles, China having problems with 45’s comments at “One China,” and many other overseas nations lacking trust in our current government.

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          13. dpaano March 13, 2017

            What facts? They have NO idea what the facts are. IF they did, they wouldn’t keep spouting all the lies that they put out there!

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          14. ron March 10, 2017

            I call BS, on that one ! I check Right wing sites regularly, and the far more vile, than ours ! Total lack of facts, and fowl name calling!

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          15. dtgraham March 10, 2017

            Me too. I tried to be conciliatory but the right wing sites can be pretty vulgar. Let’s just say that they aren’t real big on political correctness and civil discourse at rightwingnut/blowhard. com.

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          16. InformedVoter March 11, 2017

            Sorry Ron, it’s the left that starts the name calling and violence. Look no further than those “peaceful protests” after President Trump won. Yup, you lefties are nothing but hypocrites. You are close-minded, intolerant, brainwashed, bigoted, and most important low information.

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          17. Eleanore Whitaker March 11, 2017

            For a guy who was sprayed with Agent Orange in Viet Nam, you do need to get your mental stability checked.

            That you have to qualify yourself as having an advanced degree in software development is not impressive to me at all. Why? Because one of my former clients was the man who developed the software program you now use every day at your ATM. He is also an executive for Electronic Arts and has become a raconteur.

            If you see vile language on these threads but not on the Conservative blogs, get your eyes checked. As a woman, I have been called names by the lazy bums of the right that are unprintable. Nice try though whitewashing the low life Conservative movement attempting to be the ONLY government on MY tax dollar. How much of that education you received was paid for by MY tax dollars?

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          18. RichFromShowMe March 11, 2017

            Thanks for pointing out that you may actually be aware of the ramifications of Agent Orange as few folks are any more.

            My, my, my . . . . what a vile reply by someone that doesn’t even know me . . . . other than the fact that I served my country (evidently unlike many on this blog).

            For your edification, I worked my way through college and University (finished the last 6 hours in night school) and DO NOT have an advanced degree in “software development” . . . however I do have an advanced degree and do work in the software development arena.

            Evidently you have a comprehension disorder like many posters’ on this blog . . . . or is it just another chance to display your vile mannerisms?

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          19. dpaano March 13, 2017

            Who cares if you’re a Viet vet….so am I! It certainly doesn’t make you an intelligent individual because you tend to believe everything you read on conservative blogs without taking the time to fact check anything you read!
            I also have an advanced degree, and I’m also a member of Mensa….not sure why that means anything except to point out that I don’t believe everything I read on ANY blog without fact checking before I spout out a bunch of BS and make myself look stupid! As for the “vile language” you say you see here….we only respond to trolls on this site who are even MORE vile. When you hear a bunch of BS enough, you get pretty pissed off and respond in kind….it ain’t good, but sometimes it gets the best of you! Most of us are intelligent, responsive, and erudite people who do our best to try to educate those of you who have been brainwashed into believing that conservatism is the best thing! Sure, a little conservatism is okay, but it has to be tempered with a little liberalism too. Unfortunately, our current mess of politicians have forgot how to do that.

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          20. InformedVoter March 11, 2017

            Once more Elle, you manifest your low level of education and information all the while magnifying your hatred of men. Just because you could only attain a low level assistant to a clerk, you continue to blame me.
            If you think conservatives running government is bad, try moving to a couple of cities that are under Sharia Law. Then you’ll see just how important being a woman is.
            https://twitter.com/Hillarys_Ego/status/831508676745773056

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        2. Eleanore Whitaker March 10, 2017

          By the way, can you show me WHERE in the Constitution it says Republican men can privatize more than half the government and force taxpayers to keep billionaires in business?

          If you are going to argue rights and morality, at least do your damn homework.

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          1. RichFromShowMe March 10, 2017

            Actually there are few Billionaires in our governments (Fed, State and Local) . . . just now we happen to have two or three Billionaires in high-visibility positions in the Federal Government.

            I’m not sure what you can interpolate from your remark, but, for me, it means we finally have folks running our government who realize a government needs to be run like a business, rather than how “the fuhrer” ruled with pen and phone and massive Debt increases, while stalling our Economy.

            The Preamble says our Constitution was intended to, “form a more perfect union, establish Justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.”

            Unfortunately, “promotion of the general Welfare” has caused a Trillion Dollars Plus of annual spending Taxpayers absorb, quite often, without any valid authority for the spending other than a non-functional Congress, which has been in power for many decades.

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          2. ⭐️ I Am Helpy ⭐️ March 10, 2017

            “Poor people are not dying as fast! THIS IS TERRIBLE!”

            You really are disgusting un-American garbage. Also a woman-hating coward.

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          3. RichFromShowMe March 10, 2017

            Are you as ignorant as your words?

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          4. ⭐️ I Am Helpy ⭐️ March 10, 2017

            Sorry you can’t back up anything you say. It’s because you’re a functionally illiterate, woman-hating, racist coward weenie with no friends and no prospects.

            I hope that helps!

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          5. InformedVoter March 11, 2017

            HELLpy is so low information, he claimed that Debbie W-S didn’t resign because of the leaked emails. He further believes that the auto bailout made billions is profit – it lost $9.2 billion. HELLpy’s accuracy rating is south of 20%. Just stick to the facts and he’ll start name calling and self-destruct.

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          6. RichFromShowMe March 11, 2017

            Thanks for the info . . .

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          7. dpaano March 10, 2017

            Two or three…..are you kidding? Most of 45’s cabinet and other appointees are billionaires and the ONLY reason they were nominated to many of the positions is mainly due to the fact that they donated heavily to his campaign! Other than that, they are unqualified, uninformed, and totally out of their element!

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          8. RichFromShowMe March 10, 2017

            Couldn’t resist . . So what’s wrong with naming successful folks to your cabinet?

            I assume you call hillary and john “fraud” competent as SOS’s?

            Everything they touched turned to crap right before America’s eyes and we’re still suffering from the stupid deal with Iran and the uranium deal hillary approved, and probably will be for decades into the future.

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          9. ivory69690@yahoo.com March 11, 2017

            if you think about it why would YOU CALL THEM SUCCESSFUL FOLKS and them be taking jobs at a government pay rate ? do you think thy lost all their successful -NESS and need a government job ? common sense (something you seem to lack ) any sane person there is some type of foul play going on here . you’re self blind by not opening your eyes . (wanting to be that way so you cant see even common sense and the truth ) and no Hillary isn’t a fraud the DONNY DUMP KING CLOWN holds that CROWN and now all his jokers in the KING CLOWNS HOUSE the GOP GANG OF PINHEAD IDIOTS any sane person (something you know nothing about ) would see and know when it was admitted by a PINHEAD that all the bull on Hillary was all done just to make her look bad . do you hear even a little now ? heck even a word ? no Benghazi , emails or lock her up . and whys that ????? because it was all the clown and the gang of pinheads dirty work . its the GOP that is nasty and all should be checked out and investigated . but thy don’t and wont call for hearings on them self’s . again when a POS that makes $ millions to billions that take a government job there’s something wrong with that . and when DONNY DUMP THE DUMPSTER FILLED WITH B/S has his dirty greedy bastard hands in it there’s only one answer its all tied into his true trade mark FRAUD ,CON & SCAMMING of the highest type simple to understand for any one with an once of common sense . ohhhhhhhhhhh ok I get it you have none of the COMMON SENSE to help you understand that explains it .

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          10. dpaano March 13, 2017

            First of all, just because their successful in their own areas does NOT mean they are qualified for the positions they were nominated for; i.e., Carson, a neurosurgeon, who is now in charge of HUD; DeVos, who has NEVER stepped into a public school or taught anything, now in charge of our schools; and I could go on! Then, you have Rick Perry….former governor or Texas, who will be in charge of our nuclear arms….that’s a scary thought! So, not sure why you seem to think just because they paid big bucks into 45’s campaign, they suddenly become qualified to head up very important departments!
            As for the Secretaries of State, both Hillary and Kemp did wonderful jobs and kept us out of a lot of wars! The Iran nuclear deal was not perfect, but it has helped considerably. And, if you ever take a few minutes to fact check, you’ll see that the so-called “uranium deal” that you speak of had nothing to do with Hillary. She did NOT have the authority to approve this….it was approved by the State Department. It also had nothing to do with shipping uranium from the USSR to the US or vice versa! You show your lack of intelligence each time you post….try checking out the truth before you post a bunch of BS!!!

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        3. ⭐️ I Am Helpy ⭐️ March 10, 2017

          Yes, you are a traitor too, as well as a misogynist neo-Nazi.

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        4. dpaano March 10, 2017

          Okay, you were kinda starting to make sense until you mentioned President Obama! Now, I see you’re just another one of those typical conservatives.

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          1. RichFromShowMe March 10, 2017

            Couldn’t resist . . . . again!

            I assume your’re aware obamba “supervised” the slowest economic recovery since the Great Depression, doubled the national debt, created more unemployed and welfare recipients than since the Great Depression and, along with his two failed SOS, catapulted Vlad, the Impaler, into the International Cat-Bird Seat, which Vlad greatly enjoys. 🙂

            Pretty good record for someone whose library consists of “Rules for Radicals” and the tomes of Cloward & Piven.

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          2. dpaano March 13, 2017

            And, you are again totally incorrect. Since President Obama took office after GWB, he spent less than any Republican president before him. What you seem to not understand is that when he took over the presidency, he also got stuck with the bills for GWB’s unpaid for war and his unpaid for Pharmacy program, as well as the tax cut that he gave. If you subtract that from what he spent in his 8 years, he spent less than most presidents before him. Additionally, the unemployment rate went down significantly (not sure where you’re getting your info, but it’s totally wrong). Additionally, the number of welfare recipients also declined in his 8 years. Maybe you need to try doing some factchecking instead of believing everything you hear on FAUX News or whatever other false news outlet that you subscribe to!

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      3. InformedVoter March 11, 2017

        Poor Elle, still suffering from penis envy I see. Planned Parenthood is nothing but an abortion mill. 75% of their activities are abortion related.
        Gee 10 seconds of fame? But you believers of the FAKE MSM said President Trump would drop out of the primaries, then the election. So how long did the 10 seconds of fame truly last?
        Try viewing this video and then tell us again how long the fame and attention lasted.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut0TaegQ-kw

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    2. Independent1 March 10, 2017

      And more fabrications of reality from a moron. Trying to turn the number of communities serviced by community health centers into the actual number of community health centers. Nice try, but no cigar!

      There are actually only 1,375 federal funded community health centers in the U.S.

      Here’s a link to the website that proves that.

      Number of Federally-Funded Federally Qualified Health Centers

      http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/total-fqhcs/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

      For example, 14 serve all the communities in Alabama.

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      1. RichFromShowMe March 10, 2017

        There is a distinction between “federally funded community health centers” and “community health centers”.

        Feds fund the “Federally Funded” community health centers of which there are thousand plus (1,375?).

        Hey, wonder if that’s why they are called “Federally Funded” 🙂

        The 9,000, or so, “community health centers” are funded by local, state and paying customers, when they have the ability to pay.

        Which still begs the question of why PP gets a half billion a year compared to the 4 billion spent supporting “Community Health Centers AND “Federally Funded Community Health Centers”. Most folks “might” realize this is a misapplication of funds to PP; i.e., 635 PP Centers compared to 9,000 community based health centers which could approximate, relying on math, PP getting in the area of 10 percent of the funds . . . or around $50 million vs. their $500 million.

        https://www.hhs.gov/about/budget/fy2015/budget-in-brief/

        They generally are outreach centers from local hospitals, designed to be in geographic areas where the hospitals do not cover; i.e. under-served populations.

        They do not perform abortions as a rule, but refer those clients to PP if they insist on an abortion so PP can sell baby-body-parts.

        I’m sorry if you cannot discern between “Community Health Centers” and “Federally Funded Community Health Centers”, but that’s the breaks of the game 🙂

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        1. Independent1 March 10, 2017

          Sorry, but your whole issue was federal funding, that’s what you were questioning. And those 9,000 do not get federal funding because you can only get care there if you have health insurance; – which is what that 1/2 a billion was targeted for – the people who do not have health insurance!!!!!! And PP is about the only clinics that will serve people who do not have health insurance.

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          1. RichFromShowMe March 10, 2017

            Sorry, but you’re wrong again.
            https://www.healthcare.gov/community-health-centers/

            In black and white, if you’ll read it, and a map to show you the nearest Community Health Center.

            PP propaganda has saturated the Left 🙂

            PP is NOT the only clinic that serves folks without health insurance . . . . they can present themselves at any hospital and receive services or be directed to a county hospital or community health center.

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          2. ⭐️ I Am Helpy ⭐️ March 10, 2017

            Yes, women must be STOPPED! For some reason! How can the richest nation in history pay for healthcare like literally ever other developed nation?!?

            You are going to die alone.

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          3. Independent1 March 10, 2017

            Flat out lies!! We have several of those community health centers here. And in order to get an appointment, you have to pre-register and produce evidence of insurance before they will confirm your appointment!! Sorry, it’s only hospital ERs that are required to provide free healthcare thanks to Ronald Reagan!!!

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          4. InformedVoter March 11, 2017

            Poor ID1, once more your have gotten your brainwashed, low information logic shredded by someone with true facts. You lefties just don’t seem to understand that when you place all your faith in FAKE MSM sources, you always will lose any debate when it comes to down to facts.
            You continue to look inept, but that is your standard practice.

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          5. Independent1 March 10, 2017

            Sorry, I don’t care what healthcare.gov says THERE ARE NOT 9,000 COMMUNITY CENTERS GIVING AWAY FREE HEALTHCARE TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE SOME FORM OF HEALTH INSURANCE!! THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE!!!!!!!

            If that was the case, Planned Parenthood would not be innundated with people looking for healthcare they can’t get anywhere else!!! And 97% of what PP does is provide free health care like mammograms for women and prostate exams for men and family planning, etc. So whatever it says on Healthcare.gov is BS!!!

            And I’ve experienced these Community Health Centers AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME FORM OF INSURANCE!!!!!!

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          6. Independent1 March 10, 2017

            They only thing people can get at hospitals without insurance is emergency care!!! Just emergencies!! You are a blithering idiot!! You’re not even using common sense.

            If what you’re claiming is true, that there are 9,000 community health centers giving away healthcare to people without insurance then Obamacare would have never been needed or still be needed now!!

            WAKE UP DUMPPKOFF!!! YOUR ARGUMENT IS NONSENSICAL!!!

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          7. InformedVoter March 11, 2017

            Keep up the good work, Independent1 is so easy to rile and conquer just by sticking to the facts. Most liberals can’t handle the truth.

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    3. ⭐️ I Am Helpy ⭐️ March 10, 2017

      Yes, you hate and fear women, because you’re a terrified weenie. We already knew that.

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      1. InformedVoter March 11, 2017

        Hey HELLpy, the Pathetic poster of lies and earner of the title “usually inaccurate”: just another inaccurate post. There are no gold stars to be earned by you or any other poster of such an inaccurate statement. It would appear that you are compensating for your lack of manhood once more.

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        1. ⭐️ I Am Helpy ⭐️ March 11, 2017

          Oh no. So still no quote, huh. Another gold star for me!

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  7. dpaano March 10, 2017

    What is truly ridiculous is that 98% of Planned Parenthood offices do NOT do abortions, are not allowed to use federal funds to perform abortions, and merely “refer” patients to outside physicians if they feel there’s a need for an abortion because of the woman’s health or the fetuses health! Planned Parenthood does so much more for women (and men also) when it comes to health care…..to do away with it would be catastrophic! To some people in this nation, this is the ONLY place they have to go when there’s a problem.

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    1. InformedVoter March 11, 2017

      Hello racist and bigot: Boy how ignorant can you get? 75% of what Planned Parenthood performs is abortion related. They perform no pre-natal services. They hide their abortion services under the titles of activities related to abortion and thus these actions are not counted as abortion related.
      Perhaps you should try viewing sources other than the FAKE MSM sources that you are obviously so tied to.
      Planned Parenthood, like NPR, should be de-funded. If viewers like yourself feel these left propaganda organizations are of value, then you can privately fund their actions.

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