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Obama’s Immigration Conundrum

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Obama’s Immigration Conundrum


President Obama is tired of waiting. The chances of House Republicans passing an immigration reform bill by the end of the year are slim to none, and Obama has promised to act if they don’t. So the only real uncertainties are how many immigrants who came here illegally will benefit from whatever Obama does on his own, and how long the GOP firestorm will last.

I don’t use the word “firestorm” by accident. Rarely has an issue ignited such a unified eruption of metaphor in a political party. “When you play with matches, you take the risk of burning yourself,” said House Speaker John Boehner. “The president cannot sign that executive order. He’s going to light a fuse,” said former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor. “He’ll be throwing a barrel of kerosene on a fire if he signs an executive amnesty order,” said Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus. Future Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell was slightly off message, but not much, with his assertion that Obama taking executive action would be “waving a red flag in front of bulls.”

All of that raises an interesting question of governing style. WWRD? What would a Republican do?

The answer seems fairly straightforward. In 2000, George W. Bush won a half-million fewer votes than Al Gore nationwide. His winning margin in Florida, the state that put him over the top, was 537 votes out of more than 6 million cast. Those votes may well have been the result of a Palm Beach County ballot so confusing that many Jewish voters accidentally chose Patrick Buchanan — well known for insensitive Holocaust remarks — instead of Gore. Bush also might have lost Florida and the presidency had the Supreme Court not intervened to stop a recount.

Talk about a problematic “victory.” But I don’t recall Bush consulting with Gore on his agenda or adopting any of Gore’s ideas. Instead he steamed ahead with his own campaign platform, just as if he had scored a decisive win. That is how we got the No Child Left Behind Act that has sparked controversy along with accountability in education. That is also how we got the deep tax cuts that created structural deficits and are still helping to drive up the federal debt.

Bush governed as if he had a mandate and some Democrats went along, helping him pass his education and tax initiatives and backing his push for authority to invade Iraq. Contrast that with Obama’s sweeping 7-point win in 2008. Republicans were outraged when he spent many months trying to pass health reform, a major pillar of his platform. White House press secretary Josh Earnest raised a provocative point last week when he said you could consider it “playing with fire, or waving a red flag in front of a bull,” of GOP plans to vote for the 50th time to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

During Obama’s first two years in office, Republicans found health reform a convenient way to attack him for allegedly neglecting his recession responsibilities. Where were the jobs? they demanded. Why wasn’t he focusing like a laser on the economy? Whether they had a point or not, it is amusing to recall that critique now as Republicans charge that Obama also should have tried for immigration reform during that period, when Democrats had House and Senate majorities. “He didn’t do it when he had the opportunity,” Priebus said last week at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast.

In reality, Republicans have never treated Obama as if he had a mandate, even as they claim their own mandates after midterms shaped by variables ranging from gerrymandering and restrictive voting laws to weak candidates and low turnout. Immigration action, they say, would flout the midterm election results. “This was all a direct rejection of the Obama agenda,” Priebus said, adding that voters “want nothing to do with the policies of Barack Obama.” Yet while voters in some cases may have been rejecting Obama himself, in several states they approved the “Obama agenda” on abortion rights, paid sick leave, expanded gun background checks and a higher minimum wage.

If we’re going to debate mandates, it is true that Republicans won the midterms convincingly. But it’s equally true that Obama was elected by a whole country, not just one state or House district; he was elected not once but twice, and in both campaigns he championed comprehensive immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship for millions of people.

Given the failure of the Republican-controlled House to consider immigration reform, including a bipartisan overhaul passed by the Senate, Obama’s options are passive waiting or executive action. Bill Clinton once said that in politics, “strong and wrong” sometimes prevails over “weak and right.” On immigration, Obama would be strong and right. He should make his move.

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Photo: President Barack Obama departs the White House to travel to Portland, Maine on Oct. 30, 2014 in Washington, D.C. (Olivier Douliery/Abaca Press/MCT)

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Jill Lawrence

Award-winning journalist Jill Lawrence is a nationally syndicated columnist and a contributing editor to U.S. News & World Report. She also contributed to The Surge: 2014's Big GOP Win and What It Means for the Next Presidential Race (2015). Lawrence has discussed political and policy developments on television, radio, and many other media outlets. She was an adjunct professorial lecturer at American University in 2014, teaching on the relationship between politics and the media.

Lawrence has covered every presidential campaign since 1988, as well as historic events such as the Three Mile Island nuclear accident, the 1994 Republican takeover of Congress, the Clinton impeachment, the Florida recount, and the 1993 and 2009 battles over health reform.

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  1. Dominick Vila November 13, 2014

    The best thing President Obama could do on the issue of immigration law reform is to back off and let Congress take the lead or ignore the issue and allow the status quo to prevail for many more years to come.
    President Obama made his case on this issue, if Congress does not want to pursue a long term resolution because it may cost them votes, let them explain that to the American people. Immigration law reform does not mean another Reagan-style amnesty, it means that our immigration law must be reviewed, changed as appropriate, with emphasis on treating all immigrants equally, regardless of ethnicity or nationality, in accordance with the Constitution, our history and our values.

    1. mike November 13, 2014

      And yet when Obama and his party controlled the House and Senate the first two years he ignored his campaign promise and did nothing.
      Anyone with an ounce of common sense or even a half a brain knows if the border is not secured/closed people will continue to illegally cross the border. Look at Reagan, even after the big “A” was signed the promised border closing was never done and look at us now. History will be repeated again and again. And that is the Republican position, close the border, enforce the laws.

      Dom, months ago I asked you “when is enough enough, after another 10 million, or 20 million enter the country” as usual your response was total silence.
      I just read the court dates for those that have illegally entered the country has had over 90% no show.

      1. kenndeb November 13, 2014

        What’s more is that everything this regime says is a lie. When this entire regime is based on lies, deceit, and secrecy, how can anyone trust government to have our best interest at heart?

        1. browninghipower November 13, 2014

          And when everything you say is fox talking point how can anyone take anything you say seriously?

          1. joe schmo November 13, 2014

            LOL, MSNBC ring a bell?

          2. JPHALL November 13, 2014

            As you well know, few people watch MSNBC, So your comment is useless. Also useless is Fox News on cable. Even they have admitted in court that they are not a news organization but entertainment. So why use their talking points?

          3. joe schmo November 13, 2014

            Hall, I’m all over the place. Why I’m even here and I find that very entertaining. Believe me, I have learned tons.

        2. joe schmo November 13, 2014

          We can only hope they keep imploding.

      2. Dominick Vila November 13, 2014

        Does it really matter if I respond to your comments? You will either ignore it or distort it, and then claim I never responded to your comment.
        No, I don’t think it is right to grant Reagan-style amnesty to 10 or 20 million people who broke our laws. Until we change those laws, they must be respected, and there must be a price to pay when someone breaks them.
        Considering the positive contributions those illegal immigrants are making to our economy, and the fact that many U.S. employers, especially in the agricultural sector, depend on their labor to get things done, profit, and stay afloat, a solution must be found. Like I have said in the past, I favor Sen. McCain’s guest worker program proposal. Amnesty will encourage more people to enter the USA illegally, therefore, that is not a solution.
        Regarding Congress, now that they control both chambers, it is up to them to write legislation to solve this problem, or continue to ignore as has been done in the past. This is not a new problem, we have been dealing with this for over half a century, and by the looks of it we will be debating the same issue many years from now. The problem is not that our legislators don’t know how to solve it, the problem is that they don’t want to undermine their re-election chances.

        1. mike November 13, 2014

          And you want to talk about distorting, now that is funny. Thanks for the chuckle I will have to go back to July posts to see what you said, I would never have had to question you with “when is enough enough” from what you just wrote.
          The solution is very simple and has been repeated again and again. Before any talk of a Amnesty program the border must be closed and the laws enforced. Your side, the left, has said no again and again to both.
          Here is one written by a Hispanic activist.

          1. Dominick Vila November 14, 2014

            First of all, thank you for the website. I don’t know if I read the same article that you need, but most of the opinion expressed by Hispanic activists referred to the alleged Executive Action not going far enough. If the information is correct, it would apply to 5 million undocumented immigrants, and will involve work permits and reprieve from deportation for those married to American born citizens and those who had children born in the USA and who have not been involved in any criminal activities since their arrival.
            Most of the activists prefer AMNESTY for all 11 million undocumented immigrants, rather than a work permit for 5 million.
            You are going to have to go much farther than July to find a statement from me on this issue that says that I don’t think it is an issue. I would not have posted dozens of opinions on this topic if I didn’t think it was not an important matter.
            The solution does not involve higher fences, electric fences, or vigilantes willing to murder human beings. The key, if the goal is to find a long term solution, involves modifying our immigration laws in a way that respects all immigrants, regardless of ethnicity or nationality, and that addresses the need for unskilled and semi-skilled workers in the USA.
            The people that enter the USA illegally don’t come here because they want to hear our threats and insults, they come here because they know that there are plenty of jobs opportunities that would allow them to achieve the personal goals they cannot even dream of in their own countries.

          2. mike November 14, 2014

            As to Garza article, how two individuals can read the same article and read different meanings is quite astonishing. He blames Obama for DACA in 2012 for political self interest, with no regard for the surge it would cause. He went on to say “Obama announced with a blind eye to legal status of minor,…………shanty towns.” He also says”Obama must stop threatening to take executive action on issues that require a permanent bipartisan solution.”
            No, I think you need to read it again.


            What bull roar!!! We give them too much respect. They enter illegally and immediately think they must be treated as citizens. We have given them too many rights, more than any other country in the world. We give them the opportunity to stay in this country with hearings and court appearances, and how do they respect our laws?? They don’t show up for their court dates. The long term is stop this flow illegal unskilled and continue legal immigration of the best and brightest to actually make us a better and more competitive country.

            As to unskilled bring them in legally for short periods and then send them back, it they don’t like that’s their problem.

            As going back to July, it was late June or sometime in July when Obama announced Executive Action after the hundreds of thousands children started arriving a year ago became headline news. I will try and find it because you said something pro illegal immigration or I would not have said “when is enough enough.

          3. Dominick Vila November 14, 2014

            Garza expressed his opinion, and so did all the other people in that article. If you ask a dozen Latinos how to solve this problem, you are likely to ge4t 12 different answers.
            I don’t have to read about shanty towns, I lived next door to “ranchitos” made of pieces of cardboard and whatever people could find to protect themselves from the weather, with dirt floors, and using a hole in the ground to go to the bathroom. That is really not germane to how we solve this long term problem.
            I would have preferred if President Obama had let Congress solve or reject this problem, but considering how many times he asked them to act, how Sen. Marco Rubio was demonized by fellow Republicans when he worked on a solution, and the indifference when President Obama warned Congress two months ago that if they didn’t act he would, I don’t think he has much of a choice.
            Again, the topic of discussion in July was about the influx of children and some women from Central America, rather than solving the status of millions of illegal immigrants living in the USA.

          4. mike November 14, 2014

            Yes, it is his opinion which was right on as to the flow of 57,000 to 90,000 unaccompanied children that have come to sap our resources.
            Again, Obama could have done immigration in 2009-2010 when had large majorities in both houses but he put it on the back burner.
            Again anyone, even you with an ounce of common sense, knows that if the border is not secured and the present laws enforced this will happen again and again and again. Pew did a survey in August 2014 and only 15% of hispanics wanted better border security, but they sure wanted pathway to citizenship-41%. Both pathway and security 42%. On security border only 19% of democrats want a secure border. Which is why you and your ilk have fought securing the border. But it is the republicans fault. Funny!!

            He does have a choice but like a little child throwing a tantrum, is pissed at the loses caused by his policies in the mid-terms. He wants a divided country for political reasons. He is a disgrace as person and a leader of the country.

            AS to your last paragraph. Again, the topic was the influx of unaccompanied children and mothers with kids and was not solving status. I addressed this in an earlier post to you.

          5. Dominick Vila November 15, 2014

            I don’t recall denying that President Obama prioritized the issues he would tackle first, and that emphasis on immigration law reform did not become a top priority until a little over 2 years ago. The reason is obvious, there were too many problems to resolve, including preventing the collapse of the U.S. economy and replacing the restrictive and expensive the healthcare system.
            Interestingly, a few Republicans, including Florida’s Sen. Rubio, responded to President Obama’s call for immigration reform two years ago…and were dutifully chastised by their colleagues who are more interesting in using this issue as a tool to demonize and attack Democrats, than solving a problem that should have been tackled many years ago. It is also interesting to note that some of the most conclusive attempt to solve this problem involve President Reagan’s 1986 amnesty, and George W. Bush’s friendly relationship with the Mexican government and the indifference he showed to the large influx of Mexican immigrants entering the country illegally.
            The most fascinating part is that this became the hot topic it is today at a time when illegal immigration is down to one of its lowest levels in decades, and a record number of illegal immigrants are being deported.
            I don’t know who is against securing our borders to prevent the entry of undocumented immigrants. What I do know, since I am among those who feels this way, is that the same attention should be given to our porous Northern, which is used routinely by people from Europe, Africa and Asia to enter the USA without a visa, or with temporary student or tourist visas and never go back home. I believe, however, that Berlin-style fences have done little to prevent the entry of illegal immigrants. A more effective way to end this would be to go after the employers that hire them. No jobs = no illegal immigrants. Can you imagine the U.S. government fining or shutting down the businesses owned by the wealthy entrepreneurs that are amassing fortunes thanks to the cheap labor we love to hate?
            As for the Central American children, they should have been treated the same way we treated the Vietnamese refugees after the fall of Saigon, or Cuban escaping the Castro regime. The fact that the former were escaping communism, and the Central American children are fighting ruthless right win regimes, drug cartels, and gangs to force them into prostitution or a life of crime should not make a difference, if the goal is to treat people like human beings and behave in accordance with the teachings of Jesus Christ, instead of the old South African apartheid policies or what prevailed in the USA before the Civil Rights days.

          6. mike November 15, 2014

            i never said you denied Obama prioritized in 2009.
            As to Bush in 2005 and 06 two initiatives were adopted SBI 2005 and SFA 2006 so not sure how you can say his indifference.
            As to lower flow of illegals, it started in 2007 and was caused by the loss of jobs illegals were seeking.
            You might find it interesting that over the last two years deportations are down 20% in 2014 compared to 2013, and 25 % between 2013 and 2012.
            Obama has the power to go after the employers but won’t. There are many laws he doesn’t like.
            As to Vietnamese, they were invited to come because of their relationship with us during the war. Cuba boat people you will need to ask Carter why they got the treatment they received.

            The major flow of illegals are coming from the South and a completed fence and real enforcement would slow to a trickle this problem.

            Why is it our problem to use our precious resources to take care of these people?? Hell, the way you think lets open to the whole world.

          7. Dominick Vila November 15, 2014

            I seem to remember that I acknowledged, on numerous occasions, that the dramatic reduction in the influx of undocumented immigrants was caused by the Great Recession which, as you pointed out, began in 2007.
            Why doesn’t he go after the employers who hire illegal immigrants? Probably for the same reason none of his predecessors did. Interestingly, that would be one of the most effective ways to end the influx of people entering the USA illegally, including those who enter via our Northern border.
            The main reason for not deporting immigrants living and working in the USA without the required entry visa, residency status, or even a work permit – besides moral considerations – is because there are many in the private and private sector who benefit from the status quo. Having enough and willing workers to do strenuous work for less than minimum wage, people who don’t complain because of fear of deportation or a visit by the “migra”, contribute to the bottom line of many Americans businessmen and corporations, especially the agricultural, construction, and hospitality sectors. Likewise, there are many among us who enjoy the luxury of having a live in maid, a nanny, a gardener, and a groomer for his dancing horses and who have no intention of doing the work themselves.
            Our governmental policy making process is influenced by money and power. What is truly amazing is not the issues like this have not been resolved, but that so many social issues have been addressed and so many problems solved.

          8. mike November 15, 2014

            You probably did say at some point it was due to the economy but that is not how you stated it. You used “fascinating” and then went on to give a false fact that illegal deportations are at all time high” which would be hard to prove because of changes in law and counting procedures to past administrations. Obama only uses “removal” and not “returns”. If you combined both he would look good.
            I should have been more clear and used “removals” down 20% and 25% rather than the word “deportation”.
            As the Pew survey said only 15% Hispanic and 19% of democrats want the border secure.

      3. Dominick Vila November 13, 2014

        The Obama administration did nothing during its first 2 years in office, when Democrats controlled Congress? You got to be kidding! Those were the two most productive years in a very long time and included, among other things, writing and signing the Affordable Care Act.

        1. mike November 13, 2014

          This topic is about immigration, my remark was specifically directed to his campaign promise to Hispanics and his lack of interest in honoring his promise. He did nothing when he had control of executive and legislative branches.
          As to ACA, the fourth video of Gruber has now surfaced, so his “off the cuff comment” just won’t cut it now. Today Pelosi said she doesn’t know.Gruber, but now there is a video where she is using his name and talking about his conclusions about ACA and Romneycare similarities. But she doesn’t know him even though he worked for HHS and congress to the tune of 400K. Is the left so dumb that they think the past won’t catch up with them?? Lie upon Lie by this administration.


          1. Dominick Vila November 14, 2014

            President Obama made a lot of promises on the campaign trail. He addressed some of them immediately, he deferred the pursuance of others until the most important were addressed. Considering the long list of goals addressed during his first two years in office, it is not surprising that some of his priorities had to wait.
            Do you honestly believe that a Speaker of the House is expected to know all the top Civil Servants and know what their opinions are? I worked at NASA 40 years and I can tell you with absolute certainty that I never saw a Speaker of the House in the premises chatting or talking to our Center Directors or anyone else.
            In any case, Gruber’s opinion is just that, Gruber’s opinion. The benefits of the ACA are undeniable. Is it a perfect program? Not by a long shot. Changes to make it more efficient and cost effective are needed, the same way changes have been made to every single government program – and to most corporate policies – as we learn more about their strengths and weaknesses.

          2. mike November 14, 2014

            On lack of immigration, looks like he got his priorities screwed up, ACA is became an anchor around the necks of all Dems, Obama has lost more congressional seats except for one other president.
            Reid spokesman said in Dec. 2009 “financial regulatory reform and clean energy legislation were top priorities. Gutierrez said in 2009 :Obama had been “eerily silent” on immigration.

            First, Gruber was not a civil servant he was a major consultant who she quoted in the 2010 video and was referred to on her website. We will see if she met with him during the process or at the WH. She got caught in a lie. Pretty simple.

            As to ACA has a few good merits but it is a terrible law. 2015 premiums have gone up, not down as he promised($2500.00) and deductibles and out of pocket are much greater.
            We will see what SCOTUS says next summer if it survives.

      4. JPHALL November 13, 2014

        So how do you proposed to “secure” the border? Are you going to do what the communists tried in Europe. You know, walls, barb wire, guards, dogs, and electronics? You know that failed even though people were not leaving for economic reasons.

        When you have spent (wasted) billions and fail, what will you do then? Blame it on the politicians who followed your advice? The only way to stop most of the illegal immigration is to actually make it a wasted exercise. No more jobs!

        Only when the employers are steeply penalized for hiring illegals, the illegals are removed publicly from the workplace and instantly departed will illegal immigration end. Who has the political will to do this. Oh yeah, remove the special treatment for Cubans and see how long they remain Republicans..

        1. mike November 13, 2014

          What a silly comparison, they wanted to keep people in, not to keep them from coming in. No one wanted to cross into communist countries they all wanted to leave, and to try and use them as an example is just stupid.
          Hell between state and federal we are spending billions yearly to take care of these illegals.
          Will the wall be perfect, probably not, but it will slow illegals to a trickle.
          The laws are there but I sure haven’t seen this administration making any real effort to stop those employing them or even stopping them from entering, they deported 28% fewer in 2013 than in 2012. They set up court dates in which 30-90% never show up for their court dates. in the past year they released 68k convicted illegal criminals, 38% of criminal illegals now held in jail, some of which had committed serious crimes.

          You should ask your buddy why he isn’t enforcing the laws on the book. Obama’s ulterior motive is to build a democratic party base, nothing more nothing less. Hell what is best for country.


          1. JPHALL November 13, 2014

            Mike I understand that a simple thing is hard for some people to understand. The simple truth is that people always find ways to overcome obstacles. You tell people they can not do something and they will figure out a way to do it anyway, like getting out of a communist country.
            As to a wall ,they have already figured ways to beat it. Fist, there is over, under, around and through ask the ancient Chinese. Next is go through somewhere else like the Pacific Ocean or Canada.

          2. mike November 14, 2014

            The communist did stem the tide of those trying to get out of eastern block countries with the wall and other forms of control.
            That is a fact.
            You seem to have missed “will the wall be perfect……” It won’t keep everyone out but it will be better than what we have now. If laws are enforced and the BP are allowed to do their job it will slow immigration down to a trickle. They are trying other ways now and are being caught. Stop one route and then stop the next route in time it will dry up.
            Enforce the laws and watch how little try in the future. By the way something Obama refuses to do.

          3. JPHALL November 14, 2014

            Mike: Dream on. I know reality is a bitch. Yet, you should try it sometime. As long as the employers are hiring, the illegals will come. No matter what you dream, others will find a way to overcome your ideas. In California they are coming by the boatload. As to Obama, you forget that he has expelled more illegals than any other president. Unfortunately, it is illegal to raid workplaces for illegals since the Bush II administration. Go figure!
            Subject: Re: New comment posted on Obama’s Immigration Conundrum

          4. mike November 15, 2014

            It seems you can’t read, I never said it would stop the flow by securing the border, and I never said the other routes wouldn’t happen. What I said it would slow to a trickle the land flow, and as each new avenue opens resources will be moved to stem that flow.
            You’re the dreamer that thinks the wall won’t work or you can ignore securing the border, enforcing the laws.

            Expelling illegals, isn’t it interesting the deportation are down 28% from last year depending on source. This article from MSNBC STATES deportation down 20% in 2014, 25% in 2013. So save me about how great he is on deportation.

            Try this on for size

            Obama changed his tune after being called Deporter-in-Chief. If he wanted to challenge the employer he would, it is all political for the Hispanic vote.

          5. JPHALL November 15, 2014

            Other than this summer it already is a trickle because of low job opportunities. Remove the possibility of jobs and it would be even lower. Walls, dogs and electronics soothe the simple minded. Subject: Re: New comment posted on Obama’s Immigration Conundrum

          6. mike November 15, 2014

            No, the real simple minded are those who believe once the economy starts to get stronger and the lower paying jobs are back they won’t come flowing north again.
            Secure the border, enforce all the laws on the books now and things will get better for all.

          7. JPHALL November 17, 2014

            You refuse to read my posts and return with the same stupidity. The only way to stop illegal immigration is to end the easy access to jobs. Talking about securing the border is ludicrous when you make it legal for them to work, like in Texas. Get your head on straight and stop repeating slogans.
            Subject: Re: New comment posted on Obama’s Immigration Conundrum

          8. mike November 17, 2014

            Oh, I read them but you refuse to face the facts. When Obama quits picking and choosing the laws he wants to enforce, things will not change and once the economy picks up they will come flooding back. The border must be secured first, the laws on the books must be enforced.

            Plus, you have selective memory. Sen. Durban stopped legislation that would have blocked hiring and tax credits(treasury, 4.2 billion have gone to illegals) for illegals in early July.

          9. JPHALL November 17, 2014

            ideologues like yourself refuse to open your eyes to the obvious. That is why you are so easy to fool and use. So sad!. Do not reply. i have wasted enough time with you.
            Subject: Re: New comment posted on Obama’s Immigration Conundrum

          10. mike November 18, 2014

            Really!!!!Your post is hysterical. You post probably daily on NM, a left wing site, and I am the Ideologue. You crack me up.
            All you had to do was prove me wrong on Obama cherry picking only the laws he wants to enforce, pretty simple.

            As to the border, it needs to be closed, the laws need to be enforced. There is more illegal activity going on the border than just the flow of illegals.

            As to employers hiring illegals, they should be stopped, but Obama isn’t stopping them. Since 2009, how much emphasis has he put on stopping the hire of illegals? Practically none, too much push back from Hispanics. To do it he must hire many more agents and just stop going after employers only, he must also arrest the illegals at the same time. At least Bush was doing both, although not enough.

          11. kenndeb November 14, 2014

            Or, instead of a democratic voter base, an army. Seeing the Emperor has dismantled our military, and beefed up government agencies by arming each and every one, why not use all those illegals as a personal army?

          12. mike November 14, 2014

            Now be nice!!!
            Obama has been a disaster and with all the revelations by Gruber, no matter how the dems try to ignore him, has hurt even more the credibility of this Administration.
            I know they are getting tired of trying to defend his constant failures.

  2. Eleanore Whitaker November 13, 2014

    What I find so unmitigatingly ironic is that the very state that refuses to stop hiring illegals is the loudest voice against immigration reform. The government records show that in the past 10 years alone, more than $90 billion has been sent to “border” states for border protection.

    The joke is that Texas allows the hiring of yard workers and maids who are illegal. Then, these blowhards swagger and drawl and hover around the federal trough for more border patrol funding.

    Here is proof of what one TX politician states when a TX law was left with a loophole (exception to the law) that allows the hiring of illegals:

    Texas state Rep. Aaron Pena, a Republican, said “the exception is a
    wise one.”

    “With things as they are today, her (Riddle’s) bill will see a large
    segment of the Texas population in prison” if it passes without the
    exception, he said.

    “When it comes to household employees or yard workers it is
    extremely common for Texans to hire people who are likely undocumented
    workers,” Pena said. “It is so common it is overlooked.”

    The bills and other illegal immigration-related bills filed by
    Riddle and others reflect an increased pressure from constituents for action on the issue, Pena said.

    Then, in typical Texan blame the “government” (that hand feeding their border protection,) Pena said this, “Because the federal government isn’t doing its job, residents press state officials to act, he said.

    Leo Berman, a Republican state representative, agreed that there
    was a stronger voice from Texas voters on the issue. “Absolutely,” he

    So, what Texas, Arizona and New Mexico love are the funds for border protection when they don’t even obey immigration laws and all so that their rich Big Oil bois can hire and exploit cheap illegal yard workers and maids to do the dirty work these bulls are too lazy to do themselves and refuse to pay American wages to.

    I’m sorry but if “illegal” means against the law and you hire an illegal, you and only your have broken the law. Why blame workers who are encouraged to come here to work in Texans palatial yards and mansions and then bitch and complain about “illegals.”

    They are only illegals to red state politicians when these people need what all humans do…family, a roof over their heads, food on the table and an education for their kids. Time for the GOP to get over itself and stop playing two sides against the other.

    It’s time long past time for the government to go business to business and collect all of the employers who hire illegals knowing it’s against the law and worse, make huge profits from illegal hiring. Either it’s illegal or it isn’t.

    1. Dominick Vila November 13, 2014

      The fact that Rep Aaron Peña (Rock) is Latino (Mexican American) adds to the convoluted facets of this issue, and help explain the cynical positions taken by a party that uses loopholes to allow some to take advantage of other human beings.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker November 13, 2014

        Dominick, I consider you one of the most astute poster because your posts get straight to the heart of the matter.

        What galls me most is that while the biggest mouths of the GOP are bashing immigration reform, these same hypocrites are making off with billions of OUR tax dollars.

        What’s the answer? The House majority is under GOP control and soon the Senate will be. While they continue to spout lies and hypocrisy they hope we will all fall for, our tax dollars are being “wastefully spent” on border protection for states who allow the hiring of illegals.

        At what point do these GOP bulls EVER own up? Then, the next thing we hear is how big Obama grew the deficit. Cut funding to Alaska, OK and TX Big Oil and funding to states who refuse to stop hiring illegals…that’s a couple of hundred billion saved right there.

        1. Dominick Vila November 13, 2014

          Immigration becomes an issue when a Democrat is in the Oval Office. Add the ethnicity of President Obama to the mix, and this was bound to become a hot topic and an important factor in the outcome of the midterm election and, possibly, the 2016 election.
          When President Reagan granted amnesty to 4 million illegal immigrants nobody raised an eyebrow. You can bet every redneck in the country was incensed by that decision, but considering who called the shots the best they could muster was “Let Reagan be Reagan”.
          The irony is that illegal immigration is at an all time low, not so much because of anything President Obama or his predecessors did, but because of the effects of the Great Recession. Another facet of this issue that is ignored or rejected by the far right, is that deportations are at an all time high. The severity of this “problem”, if anything, has been reduced tremendously. It is a hot topic because the GOP knows they can use it with impunity to convince the most radical elements of the party to vote.
          The main impediment to a satisfactory solution of this issue is the fact that our business community is benefiting from the labor of Latino immigrants, and our economy is too as a result of low inflation, and the fact that illegal immigrants who use false IDs to qualify for employment, pay into programs like SS and MEDICARE, but are not eligible to collect benefits because of their status.
          This problem will not be resolved until a prominent conservative Republican decides that it is time to solve it. The best thing President Obama could do is let Congress take the lead on this. He already made his case, and he highlighted the urgency to find a long term solution. It is now up to the Legislative Branch to write pertinent legislation, or take responsibility for their failure to do anything to solve it.

          1. Eleanore Whitaker November 14, 2014

            Dominick, I so agree. I’d like to pick your brain on a few things though. As you know, I was a Republican female for 33 years. In 2004, I was so disgusted with the direction of the party, I realized I couldn’t vote GOP ever again. I voted in 2008 for President Obama mainly because I wanted a younger, more innovative president who would be better able to relate to our millennials and middle aged Americans who have very different needs than I do as a senior. That said, one of the most disgusting things I see happening about the GOP today is their inability to give credit to anyone but themselves.

            No matter what this president does, as you posted, they pick at the very marrow in his bones. It’s difficult to believe that some narrow minded Americans remain so backward and ignorant that the color of anyone’s skin is a reason to reject intelligence, innovation and advancement as offered by this president.

            So..my question to you is, do you believe that the constant rabble rousing of the right and GOP, when all of the smoke and mirrors are stripped away are really still the same brand of racists?

            Because if this really is what’s at the bottom of the horrendous need to bash away at everything this president does, this country is in for a rough ride ahead. Ignorance may be bliss. But, it can also cause a massive revolt.

          2. Dominick Vila November 14, 2014

            Racism is a factor for some Republicans, but not for most. All we have to do is remember how Clinton was treated to understand that racism is not the only reason for the obstructionism of the last six years.
            A lot of it has to do with ideology, with a desire to win election regardless of what they have to do to achieve that goal, and the fact that remaining silent in the face of tremendous domestic achievements by Democratic presidents destroys their credibility and undermine their focus on tax breaks to corporations and the elite to strengthen our economy and create jobs. For them, demonizing Democratic achievement is a matter of life and death.
            Sorry for not going further but my wife had surgery this afternoon and I have to help her.

          3. Eleanore Whitaker November 15, 2014

            Oh Dom….Hope all goes well with your wife…my best get well wishes to her.

            Actually, with regard to this topic, there’s really only one thing that links both presidents Clinton and Obama, both were raised by single moms. When you consider the number of GOP bulls who believe women should not be in leadership positions and must be married to be considered valid, you see now the “other” issue the GOP bulls have stuck in their craws.

          4. Dominick Vila November 15, 2014

            Thank you. It was outpatient surgery, but she is in a lot of pain a discomfort.

          5. DAVE in VA November 15, 2014

            Dominick, I hope all is well with your wife,and that she has a speedy recovery. I will say a prayer for your family.

          6. Dominick Vila November 15, 2014

            Thank you. She is already feeling better than she did yesterday, but this is likely to be a slow recovery.

      2. joe schmo November 13, 2014

        Dominick, and you once stated you did not believe in ILLEGAL immigration. Changing your tune to fit the bill are you?

        1. Dominick Vila November 13, 2014

          When did I say that? Since there is no such a thing as an illegal human being, I would rather call them undocumented immigrants, but since the accepted term in the land of freedom and democracy is “illegal” I use it like everyone else does.
          What I do not believe in, and I’ll repeat it again, is granting amnesty to people who have entered the USA illegally, regardless of nationality or ethnicity. The only thing that Reagan’s 1986 amnesty to 4 million illegal immigrants accomplished was encourage more to come. That is not a solution. I support Sen. McCain’s guest worker program proposal, which he abandoned when it became clear that if he didn’t back pedal he would not have been re-elected.

          1. kenndeb November 13, 2014

            All career politicians should be removed from office. They are only out for themselves, not the people they serve. When the Emperor said amnesty, HE invited millions more to cross illegally, and he knew it.

          2. Dominick Vila November 13, 2014

            I never heard anyone call President Reagan, the only President to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants, an Emperor.
            Consider taking a crash course in English comprehension or medication for early stages of Alzheimer. Only someone with a serious deficiency can interpret objection to amnesty as opening the borders for everyone to come to the USA with or without a visa.
            Regarding the messianic allegation, I am an agnostic, leaning atheist. For me, Messianic attributes are a product of ignorance or superstition. Try that line in a Tea Party rally, where you will probably find a captive audience. I will tell you this, however, I consider President Obama’s accomplishments just a tad below those of Lincoln, FDR, and Clinton.

          3. kenndeb November 13, 2014

            All the Emperors predecessors followed our rule of law and separation of powers. The Emperor thinks of himself above our laws, our constitution, and the American people. He acts like an Emperor, so the title seems to fit.
            I do not have any problem comprehending, but you sure seem to. YOU stated that you would open the borders for anyone of any ethnic background. I did not. As usual, your delusional thinking is showing.

          4. Dominick Vila November 13, 2014

            Here is my statement again, for you perusal:
            “What I do not believe in, and I’ll repeat it again, is granting amnesty
            to people who have entered the USA illegally, regardless of nationality
            or ethnicity. ”
            Would you mind explaining how objecting to amnesty for those who have entered the USA illegally constitutes opening the borders for anyone who wants to come in?
            As for the Emperor without an Empire, you may want to mention examples of President Obama ignoring or violating our laws and the Constitution. People who have trouble understanding simple statements should refrain from insulting a President of the United States because of alleged violation of the law or the spirit of the Constitution.

          5. Independent1 November 14, 2014

            What a load of total hogwash – you are so full of yourself and full of cow manure that you border on the totally insane.

            Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican President, signed 1,081 Executive Orders, many of them resembling actions far more like a dictator than anything Obama has tried to accomplish by signing them; and Coolidge, another Republican President, did likewise when he signed more than 1,203 EOs.

            With respect to acting like an Emperor, Obama is a piker – in almost 6 years he’s singed only 193 EO’s; none of them really that outlandish except to total ignoramuses such as yourself!!

          6. kenndeb November 14, 2014

            Yes, all American presidents. No one really knows what or who the Emperor is or what country he is serving. It certainly isn’t America.

          7. joe schmo November 13, 2014

            I couldn’t agree with you more. We need to close down the government and start over. This time we need to add term limits to every single office that is created.

          8. DAVE in VA November 14, 2014

            Joe, term limits is a key issue in order in getting our country back on track. With the republicans in control of congress now, I would like to see that happen. The thing is John Boehner and Mitch McConnell would never let that happen. I wish that they would have picked Trey Gowdy and Ted Cruz for that position of leadership.

          9. joe schmo November 15, 2014

            Absolutely, we talk about it all the time. I’m really surprised that no one in any of the states hasn’t put up a petition just for that purpose.

            LOL, you are on the same wavelength my friend. Gowdy is a pitbull who knows how to say it and when to say it, and I would love Cruz to run for president. Both great choices. I think the Libs would turn over if these two were leaders of the GOP:)

          10. DAVE in VA November 15, 2014

            Trey Gowdy was asked by Bill O’ Reilly if their was any chance of impeaching Obama. He had the best five word answer. Do you know Joe Biden.http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/13/trey-gowdy-gives-the-ultimate-argument-why-we-shouldnt-impeach-obama-video/

          11. joe schmo November 13, 2014

            Your end statement makes it clear. That is what I meant and I am with you on that. Illegal is illegal, there is where we part company.

          12. mike November 14, 2014

            Dom, I went back to the middle of July and found your posts and you did say that they were not illegals because even though they crossed the border, turned themselves in to the Border Patrol and were “allowed to enter” and therefore legal. What a crock.
            You did say you were not for Amnesty but had no problem with the masses because they were all asking for asylum. You went on a tirade that it was about racism the way they were being treated because of color of skin and language.

          13. Dominick Vila November 14, 2014

            Nice try. That post had nothing to do with granting amnesty to immigrants living in the USA, who entered the country illegally. It referred to the Central American children that were seeking asylum and who, in my opinion, were entitled to a hearing in accordance to a law passed and signed by President Bush. I also said that most of them turned themselves in at our border entry ports to the border patrol officers stationed there. The “masses” were a few thousand children, and some women seeking asylum in what they thought was a bastion of freedom and democracy.
            Obviously, they learned otherwise, and if they thought they were going to be treated the way Cuban refugees were, or the way the illegal immigrants that were granted asylum and a path to citizenship in 1986 by Reagan, they were sadly mistaken.

  3. DAK27 November 13, 2014

    For the past 6 years the GOP has done nothing but obstruct, stab America in the back, lie, cheat and steal… why would the next 2 be any different? Lying worked so well they won the last election so I expect more of the same. If I were Obama I’d tell them, one and all, to go get bent. I am the President and I will do as I please, they had their chance to work WITH Obama and decided to only work AGAINST the President and the country, so forget them.

    1. kenndeb November 13, 2014

      Lying, deceit, and cover ups are the standard for the regime of Emperor Obama. Because of this role model, the liberals no think that lying, cheating are all the right thing to do. This regime has no morals, and those that follow this liberal agenda are traitors to America.

      1. charleo1 November 13, 2014

        Blah blah blah…..

        1. kenndeb November 13, 2014

          Just what I would expect from a liberal. How about a good example of what this regime is like?


          Lie your way out of this one, then start name calling because you can’t. Typical liberal mentality.

          1. browninghipower November 13, 2014

            Ah the American Liberty Pac…a proven bastion of bullshit. Isn’t their logo a bull rampant on a field of brown? Or is that you in a bull suit?

          2. joe schmo November 13, 2014

            UnAmerican are you? Maybe you just need to leave. In fact, if more of you would leave maybe we might actually get something civil done. North Korea and Cuba needs to add to their population. China seems to be getting stricter even try relocating their. The more of you that leave the closer we again will get to AMERICAN LIBERTY, THE CONSTITUTION and WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS WANTED and DID NOT WANT FOR THIS COUNTRY. You are obviously not what they intended.

          3. Independent1 November 14, 2014

            Well Joe, if two many liberals leave America will collapse like a house of cards. Only three of the 25 or so Red States can survive without sucking more Federal aid dollars than the taxes they send to Washington – and even those 3 states get back more than 96 cents for every tax dollar they send to Washington.

            So if you carry things to far with the liberals, and the 14 Blue states that are really keeping America running leave (they’re the ones getting less than 70 cents back in aid for the taxes the pay – and each of those states pays in multiple times the amount of taxes of ANY RED STATE IN THE NATION except for Texas.) The red states that are left will fall into bankruptcy before you can say: Where did all the money go????????

          4. joe schmo November 14, 2014

            Well…..according to the map…..we are flowing ‘Red’ at the moment:


            States that are doing best are states like Texas and Wisconsin.

            California has the highest poverty rate and distance between rich and poor in the country as does NY and let’s not forget about Detroit. 50 years under Liberal control.

            Your assumptions have been debunked:

            Louisiana: The state unemployment rate is well below the national average, sitting
            at 5.5% at the start of 2013. Louisiana has also been one of the top
            states in education reform and has pushed hard for school choice in
            recent years.

            Wyoming: The state enjoys a very impressive 4.9% unemployment rate and very low
            tax rates across the board. Close to 70% of the state’s revenue comes
            from non-residents. The state is enjoying an oil and natural gas boom.
            The state always elects solid conservatives to send to Washington.
            Wyoming enjoys budget surpluses year in and year out, another common
            theme of state’s on this list.

            South Dakota: South Dakota has no state or income taxes and has the third lowest
            unemployment rate at 4.4%. Electorally, the state has been moving in the
            right direction over the last decade. South Dakota ranked second in the Tax Foundation’s 2012 list of most
            business-friendly states. The state ended their 2012 Fiscal Year with
            about $50 Million in surplus as governmental agencies


            some $13 million less than they were allowed to.

            Texas: has a budget


            of $8.8 billion at the start of 2013. The business-friendly environment (

            Top 10 ranking

            by the Tax Foundation) and oil and natural gas boom has kept the
            unemployment rate well below the national average. By the 2016
            Presidential election it will have been four decades since the last time
            the state voted for a Democrat for President. They are also extremely business friendly and innovative.

            Wisconsin: The state went from unemployment at 9.2
            percent four years ago to two points
            lower. The deficit was $3.6 billion now the state has a
            half a billion dollar surplus.”

            Honestly, I don’t want to discredit the democrats completely. I feel that both legislative parties need to work together to balance this Country out, however; it is your sides incessant divide, over loyal bias and arrogant one-sidedness that has fueled this fire. This was indicated in the last election. So if we don’t get our sh*% together than we will be history. Why not think about that for a change instead of trying to go through the wall with your ideology.

          5. kenndeb November 14, 2014

            As you know, Joe, most of the regular posters here are totally brainwashed sheeple. I was wondering if there was any correlation between liberalism and urbanites. It seems most large metro areas are liberal. People who live in large urban areas show herding tendencies, so referring to the as sheeple seem to fit.

          6. joe schmo November 14, 2014

            So appropriate:)….and right on the mark. I guess they think milk comes fresh from a dispenser right from the ‘manufacturer’ or their office vending machine……Not to mention most fresh vegetables are soilent green. LOL

          7. Independent1 November 14, 2014

            Where do you come up with all these lies joe?? “California has the highest poverty rate”. 16 states including Texas and Lousiana have FAR HIGHER poverty rates than CA. And you’d better checkout current unemployment rates because Louisiana’s current unemployment is above the national average.

            Your post is packed with nothing but one lie after another.

          8. joe schmo November 14, 2014

            Again, I live in this state:) I see it on a daily basis. Big divide of rich and poor. Getting to look a lot lie Detroit, every where I go (Beginning to look like Christmas every where I go) LOL

            August, 2014 article.




            October, 2014

            ….and they want to get rid of the state/income tax that should eliminate another burden for this growing state.

            Louisiana emerging from recession stronger than other states, economist tells St. Tammany business group.

            Natural gas, Medical facilities both public and veteran, Chevron, FedEx, and Pelican energy….

          9. kenndeb November 14, 2014

            I would guess that those 14 blue states also contain the largest metro areas. Metro areas have always been liberal havens. They are also usually not only the largest tax bases, but a drain on the state because of all those services you urbanites enjoy. Perhaps if urbanites learned how to take care of themselves, they might reconsider not getting help for their mental disorder called liberalism.

          10. kenndeb November 13, 2014

            Just because you don’t like the site, doesn’t make it less true. There are many other sites.

        2. joe schmo November 13, 2014

          You have anything better to inject. How bout some solutions for a change. Stop holding the governments hand and letting them make all your decisions.

          1. charleo1 November 13, 2014

            Sure. Let’s you and me, solve the immigration crisis. Who needs the government for that, right? So, you make a suggestion. And I’ll in all likelihood, disagree vehemently. And you’ll call me a Communist. And I’ll submit that you’re a racist at heart. Which you’ll indignantly deny. So how’s that no government thing working so far?

          2. joe schmo November 13, 2014

            What is your solution? You still haven’t given me any clear ideas. Now you get it! No wonder the government is so ‘F’d up and can’t work together. Just as it is with us, there is no consensus and absolutely no give and take on either side. What will this evolve into is……you know it can’t last…..

          3. charleo1 November 14, 2014

            What is my solution? Immigration is a complex issue,
            and there is no silver bullet. But this I know. If crafting
            solutions to the current situation were actually in the short term best interests of the influential lobbies that are opposing any, and all changes to the status quo. Immigration reform would have already been done. Look, here’s the deal. I’m CEO of an agricultural corporation. I profit from the status quo. Where the laws regulating who I hire are weak, seldom enforced.
            And I can, by using subcontractors, distance my firm
            even further from the mostly unenforced regulations against, “knowingly,” hiring a person who doesn’t have permission to be in the Country. So, my first solution would be to correctly identify the real open door policies as those policies that cater to, and protect those who continue to profit, only if nothing
            gets written into law to close their easy way around the existing law. And, if I’m the CEO, that’s exactly what I order my lobbyists to not let happen. To tell my politicians to use any excuse necessary to keep the cheap labor flowing. So it’s no surprise, that’s what they’ve done. They’ve thrown a lot of other things they say must happen, before they’ll consider anything that would actually work to solve the unregulated flow of illegal labor. First seal the border, they say. We’ll not consider anything, until we seal the border! But keep the incentives for the immigrant, desperate for work in place. So how stupid is that? Then politicize it up real good. Make agreeing to anything sound like a capitulation to the Liberal’s, “amnesty agenda.” Who, you then point out, are doing nothing more than building their welfare state. So they can impose their Socialist, and Communistic desires on a once great
            America forever. So that ought to keep it bottle it up in D.C. for years. Building walls, installing sensors, hundreds of men, guard dogs, you name it. Anything but taking on the culprits that are causing the illegal immigration in the first place. Why? It’s the same old story we keep hearing over, and over, because it’s so true. Because they help finance the Party’s political activities. That’s both Parties by the way. But the Democrats don’t demonize the immigrants. Because there is getting to be a lot of legal voters who are the results of all this refusal to deal with the open door hiring. And, Republican’s sad situation is, they’ve dug
            quite a hole for themselves with this group. As one might imagine, these new legal voters, about 50,000 a month now, take offense to their parents, or Uncles, Aunts, and so on. Being called, “Wetbacks, Drug smugglers, invaders, and criminals.” Undeserving of any respect from us high minded Americans. Just get out there, and pick those tomatoes! And they also don’t appreciate the possibility of some of their friends, and classmates, having the threat of deportation hanging over their young heads, because of actions their parents took to provide for them when they were babies. so, the costs of catering to these
            employer’s flouting the law, is getting harder to justify
            all the time. And when all that balances out, we’ll have
            immigration reform. When the issue ceases to be an
            convenient political football, and becomes a huge liability to election, to re-election, it will be solved.

          4. joe schmo November 14, 2014

            Seriously, you really want to go there. Not sure if you are using agriculture as an example or if you really do work in agriculture. I happen to know a bit about this myself since we worked in agriculture half of our lives.

            “We’ll not consider anything, until we seal the border! But keep the incentives for the immigrant, desperate for work in place.”

            This is not entirely the case. What you think we are referring to is that we completely seal the border off so that no one can no longer come over the border. This is lunacy. This is only meant as a precaution because Washington has been so lax in their actions. Ideas would be:

            1) Seal the border so that no one can just stray in at whim
            2) Set up a system for guest workers. They come in to work seasonally and then they go home at the end of the season. (Refers to anyone from any country)
            3) No criminals or drug cartel will be able to enter because we do finger printing and background checks.
            4) We go to the fields like we used to (I remember this still being enforced) and check legality.
            5) We fine any business that hires illegals.
            6) Prospective immigrants file the proper paperwork to come to this country legally to become citizens.
            7) No more catering to nonspeaking, enforce English speaking.
            8) No welfare, no housing, no drivers license for illegals (Since we have worked in Agriculture, I do know that these people make a wage and still stand in line for the hand outs. How do I know this….it came straight from the illegal mouth.

            I honestly think this would curb the problems and satisfy everyone.

            “As one might imagine, these new legal voters, about 50,000 a month now, take offense to their parents, or Uncles, Aunts, and so on. Being called, “Wetbacks, Drug smugglers, with calves the size of cantaloupes, invaders, and or, criminals.”

            Unfortunately, this is seminally true. I live in CaliMexico remember and I have worked in Agriculture. This system is helping to destroy the state. Sorry, true fact of life.
            ….And the fact that the democrats are over joyed with this prospect. In a sense it is building up a LOT of resentment in Americans because we (specifically in California) see the train wreck. We are passed over for jobs and aid and education. Believe it or not you are helping create an even larger problem. A third world country. Where do you think the money will come from when there is no money being made and just how many ‘new voters’ are you willing to let into this country until the whole country except for the select few government elites are in poverty. It’s really stupid on your part too. The stringent rules educated people have to go through to come legally into this country is insane. We have also seen this because we have a family member with a PHD in organic chemistry who is trying to work on a 3 year research project in a top university. How is that fair and how does that even elevate the Country if you merely let in undereducated individuals.

            Why can’t immigration reform be more fair and even throughout the world. Why let all the dummies in? Sorry but that is what they are. Many don’t have past a first grade education. In many ways, you don’t care about that because the better it is to manipulate them to vote your way and many are socialists anyway. Again, you prey on the innocent and ignorant.

            So agriculture, if that was just an example, was a bad one because I know all the good and bad of that particular profession. You see there is much more to it than what you are eluding to by just closing the border. We want that border sealed and then we can start the process of enforcing the laws already in place because we know the government will just overlook it otherwise and continue to let the stream become a raging river.

          5. kenndeb November 14, 2014

            I agree with most of what here. Personally, I think we should adopt a system like austrailias, where anyone coming into the country would have to have a sponsor, and a guaranteed job. They also will not allow anyone in that can not perform a job that an Australian can or will not do. If you don’t have a particular skill that is needed , you don’t get a work visa. People that have already come into our country illegally ARE criminals, and should be deported. One of the Emperors proposals included deporting anyone with a criminal background, therefore, anyone entering this country illegally DO have a criminal background, and should be deported. There are so many people that want into our country that are willing to go through proper channels. Why should we be catering to those that would first break our laws to enter?

          6. charleo1 November 14, 2014

            Australia, like Britain, and the EU, and many other “Commie,” type Countries, both regulate, and document, their foreign nationals, who come into the Country for the purpose of employment. And require any employer using immigrant labor, to register that person with the gov. “before,” they may be employed. Immigrants from Mexico, and parts South that come to work the farms, and other labor intense, low/semi-skilled labor, don’t register and come in by the proper channels, because that’s not the way we do things here in this Country. No Sir! Here we write laws like Australia’s but don’t enforce them. Because, what have we been taught about regulations? That’s right. They kill jobs. And, isn’t the government involved with our job creators enough already? Who is the gov. to tell business owners, who pay the majority of taxes anyway, who they may, or may not hire? And, if it cuts their profits, to register workers, because unregistered labor can be had cheaper, worked harder, and sent back if they complain. How is that not once again, the overbearing Federal Gov. meddling in the free market of labor?

          7. charleo1 November 14, 2014

            I said it was complicated. And I stuck to three industries that rely heavily on under the radar labor. Insisting first on some nebulous goal of sealing the border, is exactly the stall. Of course they tell you millions are pouring into the Country. And of course, they tell you the Lefties like Obama are allowing it. Neither is the case. But it speaks volumes to their success in laying the problem off on political rivals. And then they don’t need to discuss your other very common sense actions. Well, most made sense. Until you started referencing the characterizations they lead you to believe, so you’ll get your emotions involved, and hopefully won’t see that 90% of the problem at our Souther Border with Mexico, is the work they are able to obtain. And all due to certain interests in this Country being protected. That’s not just partly true. It’s entirely true. And all the other issues, like registering/legalizing farm workers for seasonal employment. Or the idea of legalizing those who have been in the Country for decades. That have children who are citizens, or children, that have never known another Country. That have built lives, businesses, and support local economies. We have all those issues to hash out, because of the ongoing off the books, and under a fake ID hiring, that’s been allowed to continue uninterrupted, and unaffected, by any immigration laws, or border security regimen, we have ever adopted. So I’ll ask you. How long are you going to put up with the status quo? Where the same people who are protecting the illegal hiring, and refuse to talk about any other issue, until the border is secure. Reserve for themselves the final say, on just how secure the border needs to be, before we can begin to talk about other things. Like cracking down on the number one reason we need Cox’s Army at the border? The jobs they’ll have when they get here. You ask me. And there’s my number one solution.

          8. DAVE in VA November 14, 2014

            Charleo, you are correct our border issue is a very complex problem that we need to fix. I think that’s it is safe to say that the biggest part of the problem in Washington DC. Both parties leaders want the border to be regulated not closed for a lot of different reasons. Some of the reasons that your party wants them for is for the vote’s and to help them with government assistance programs. Too keep it simple the republican party is only doing what their big donors want that is cheap labor.
            I am not a real big history duff, but I do know a little about what had happened to the Roman Empire. From some of the things that have read and listening to other people talk about. One of the big problems that they had was to many people were using the public system and not paying any taxes. that sounds like what we have today.They had to many people living off of the system and they couldn’t keep up with maintenance/ repairs and so on and went Bankrupt.
            I think that the first thing that we have to do is secure the borders. Then we need to sit down at the table and work on a solutions in order to fix this problem that we all have.

          9. Independent1 November 14, 2014

            Why do we need a solution to this?? From the mouths of the nonpartisan:

            Right now in America, corporate profits are at record highs, the country’s adding 200,000 jobs per month, unemployment is below 6%, U.S. gross national product growth is the best of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries. The dollar is at its strongest levels in years, the stock market is near record highs, gasoline prices are falling, there’s no inflation, interest rates are the lowest in 30 years, U.S. oil imports are declining, U.S. oil production is rapidly increasing, the deficit is rapidly declining, and the wealthy are still making astonishing amounts of money.

            America is leading the world once again and respected internationally — in sharp contrast to the Bush years. Obama brought soldiers home from Iraq and killed Osama bin Laden.

          10. kenndeb November 14, 2014

            What utter BS and regime propaganda. As usual, you spout data that is straight from the Emperor. You must believe anything that is told to you. How d you survive outside your mothers basement?

          11. Independent1 November 14, 2014

            As a typical right-wing idiot, you can’t except the truth – every word written was the truth!!

            Those words did not come from the “Emperor”., they were an excerpt from a letter to an editor written by a Canadian. Even Canadians, Europeans and other foreigners can see how well America is doing
            under Obama and question the insanity of the Americans that voted back into power, the party of nothing more than one disaster after another disaster for America.

          12. kenndeb November 14, 2014

            Gee, Europe wants us to be just like them. What a surprise. Considering the UN has always wanted America to conform to their wishes and whims, that comes as no real shocker. Most countries seem to have been jealous of our country since its inception, and have always tried to interject their wishes for us to become just like them, yet America has always been the beacon of freedom. Of course now, we have the Emperor that WANTS America to come down to the SAME LEVEL as Europe, and seems more than willing to do whatever he can to assure that we bow to the will of the UN. You seem to want to be a European, instead of an AMERICAN.

          13. DAVE in VA November 14, 2014

            1) We are not respected internationally.
            2)Obama just sent more of our troops back to Iraq about 3,800 of them.

          14. Independent1 November 14, 2014

            We are not respected internationally says you!! And you’re an expert on this how??

            If we’re not respected, why have more than 50 countries come together at Obama’s request to confront ISIS??? He had no problems whatsoever soliciting tons of support!! And why? Because nations across the globe trust Obama even though they may not trust America because of what the traitor Snowden made the world aware of with respect to the NSA’s monitoring efforts.

            And Obama sending 3,800 more troops to back the Iraqis against ISIS is Obama living up to his promise to the 50 plus nation coalition – that America would support what they needed to eliminate ISIS.

            And it is working!! ISIS is faltering and will soon disappear.

          15. DAVE in VA November 14, 2014

            Isis and al-Qaeda jhttp://www.news.nom.co/isis-and-al-qaeda-agree-to-join-13450395-news/join forces they are getting stronger.

          16. Independent1 November 14, 2014

            Your the one who needs to change their news sources and stop listening to these right-wing wacko websites. The Iraqi’s have taken back some cities:

            The weakening ISIS

            After a string of victories by Iraqi and Kurdish forces against ISIS over the past two weeks, the rumors started popping up online: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, had been replaced by his Syrian deputy, Abu Mohammed al-Adnani.

            The rumors were untrue, but they were the first clear evidence that the U.S.-led campaign against ISIS has actually started to work. The past two weeks have seen Iraqi military victories near Baghdad, and in the Diyala, Salahuddin, and Ninevah provinces to the east and north of the city.

            Coalition airstrikes have significantly increased and improved over the past two weeks. In Mosul alone, two separate sources confirmed that no fewer than 150 ISIS fighters were killed in the last 10 days of October and more were injured in air raids. In retribution, ISIS arrested eight Iraqi reporters in Mosul and dozens of Iraqi army and police officers, fearing that they were planning to join a newly formed Arab Sunni force in Kurdistan aiming to recapture Mosul.

            Since the U.S.-led air campaign began, at least 1,000 ISIS fighters have been killed by the air bombardment, Iraqi security analyst Hisham al-Hashimi said. The ISIS military commander of Nineveh province, Bashar al-Jarjari, and his counterpart in Salahuddin province, Ala’ al-Mashhadani, as well as ISIS leaders in Fallujah and Ramadi provinces in the south and religious leader Mustafa al-Zaidi were among those killed in air raids and ground fighting.


      2. DAK27 November 13, 2014

        Sure it is, sure. Perhaps in FOX News land but not in the real world.

        1. kenndeb November 13, 2014

          That would be your liberal world.

          1. Independent1 November 14, 2014

            That’s in the world of the sane, not completely stupid like your world.

          2. DAVE in VA November 14, 2014

            Independent, I looked at your posting history try getting outside of the National Memo and explore other news sites and see what other people have to say, it will help you out.

          3. DAVE in VA November 15, 2014

            Keep typing I will not read it.

          4. Independent1 November 15, 2014

            Look!! I get on some of the sites where more conservatives post and so many of the comments made with obviously no real understanding of the issues and situations that it would be a total waste of time trying to get into the conversation. It’s very difficult to carry on a conversation with posters who don’t even have a clue what they’re talking about.

          5. DAK27 November 14, 2014

            So you are saying my world is the real world? I know it is, but thanks for verifying it.

      3. Independent1 November 14, 2014

        Is that why 8 of the 10 most corrupt states in America are Red States???

    2. Independent1 November 14, 2014

      Remember, they only won this year because the vast majority of Dems and Independents chose to stay home: 36% voter turnout when the voting population is 37-38% Republicans. Where the voters turned out (69.5% in Oregon) the Dems won big and now hold virtually every responsible seat in the Oregon government.

      1. DAVE in VA November 14, 2014

        Remember when the vast majority of conservatives stayed home in the 2008 and 2012 presidential election because the establishment put up a RINO candidates? Then your party said get over it Obama had won. Well the people had spoken… get over it the people had spoken.

        1. Independent1 November 14, 2014

          Sorry Dave. But conservatives DID NOT stay home in 2008 and 2012 – suggesting something like that during presidential elections is absolute nonsense!!

          What happened was Democrats and Independents who more often than not don’t vote during off election ACTUALLY SHOWED UP and the election results ARE WHAT THE REAL AMERICA WANTED TO SEE. Not just what the myopic conservatives wanted like what happened just now in 2014.

          1. joe schmo November 14, 2014

            REAL AMERICA! Isn’t arrogance bliss? Because when you have a big mouth like Jonathan Gruber had first you get caught in your own lies and deceit because someone was paying attention. Then secondly the walls of Jericho all come crumbling down. Well, suppose that REAL AMERICA that you are referring to just changed their mind……

          2. DAVE in VA November 14, 2014

            You can click on this onhttp://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2012/11/romney-gets-fewer-votes-than-mccain-did-evangelicals-stay-home/e it’s not from fox news.

          3. Independent1 November 15, 2014

            Sorry Dave, viewing that link would simply be a waste of time. It would simply be numbers put together by some right-wing wacko trying to figure out why Republicans lost the 2008 and 2012 elections to Obama. Of course their solution has to be – Republican voters stayed home.

            What nonsense. No voters have stayed home the past 3 elections. Each of the three has had a higher percentage of voters going to the polls. Except for the 1996 presidential election, and it could have been that some Republicans stayed home that election because they weren’t completely unhappy with Clinton given that he was governing during the most prosperous 8 years for America in its history.

            But since 1996, every presidential election has seen a larger percentage of Americans voting – there have been MORE VOTERS IN EACH OF THE THE LAST 3 ELECTIONS, NOT LESS!!!

            Election Yr/% of voters

            1996 49.0
            2000 50.3
            2004 55.7
            2008 57.1
            2012 59.3

            No Dave. If there have been viewer voters coming to the voting booths claiming to be Republicans, it’s got nothing to do with Republicans staying home – it’s all about what the GOP doesn’t want to admit: more and more Americans are getting fed up with a party that’s hellbent on robbing the middleclass and poor blind just so the 1-5% of Americans can get richer and richer and richer.

            Millions of WHAT WERE once Republicans are now Independents and even some have converted to being Democrats!!!

            Aren’t you fed up yet??? 80% of Americans control less than 5% of the financial wealth in Amererica – That’s insane!! And you and your troll buddies want that to continue and get even worse??? What is wrong with you??????

            Haven’t the Adelsons and Kochs and Waltons and Romneys stolen enough from us already???????

          4. DAVE in VA November 15, 2014

            OK, Independent if you cant view my post. I wont view yours post either then because it’s a waste of my time.. Grow up

          5. Independent1 November 15, 2014

            First of all, your link doesn’t work; and previously I had reviewed several right-wing sites (one by Rush Limbaugh) claiming that Republicans stayed home on the 2008 & 2012 elections with all of there assumptions based on conjecture in trying to explain the party’s loses. What their articles didn’t point out is that although polls showed that voters claiming to be Republicans had dropped off – they didn’t mention the trend that the percent of voters going to the polls were actually increasing.

          6. Independent1 November 15, 2014

            As I pointed out, you messed up your link to Maggies website so I wasn’t able to find what you were posting but I saw enough to realize that I was right – Maggies posts are nothing but a combination of lies and distortions of the truth.

            The website shows what are supposed to be the voting results for the 13th 15th and other amendments purportedly showing that it was “Republicans” who vastly supported those amendments. But what the website doesn’t tell you is that the people who purportedly called themselves Republicans back then, are in fact, Democrats today. It was the opposing party back in those days who hated blacks, that are now Republicans. The whole portrayal of that voting is a gross DISTORTION OF THE TRUTH!!

            Just like everything else on t hat website!!

            They’re FABRICATIONS designed to brainwash those who aren’t aware of the charade that the website is playing!!!!!!!

  4. Brian Harvill November 13, 2014

    The president should act and let the republicans do what they will. And will the republic cans act in such a manner as to reveal their true nature which is and ALWAYS has been to destroy the American dream, the American citizen and the light of freedom and equality that is the backbone on which the nation was founded.
    Let the republicans try to return 35 million HUMAN BEINGS to a nightmare existence. Their losses in 2016 are already a sealed and settled matter as they institute their agenda of hatred on American citizen. Will they truly double down and atack women and children, destroy families, and return people to certain death that they have fled from? Of corse they will. The republican agenda has no place for human dignity, the republican agenda has no time for inconvenient truths. Their’s is a plan of dehumanization, fear mongering, and bigotry.
    Let them reveal their true selves as they attack 10% of the nation’s populace. Let them revel in their endorsement of misery and despair. 2016 is a mere 2 years away and yet is plenty of time, and rope, for them to hang themselves with.

  5. FT66 November 13, 2014

    Mr. President, NO RETREAT NO SURRENDER, fulfill the promise you made while every and each individual of us were listening. All these immigrants are anxiously waiting the Christmas present they have never received in their lifetime. Please use your power you have and act accordingly.

    1. joe schmo November 13, 2014

      Mr. President, DON’T YOU DARE! No Christmas present for the babies. Send them packing back to Mexico. Let them take their money home to be spent in their Country so that it may help boost their economy. We don’t need the freeloaders, the Mamasitas and Papasitas thank you very much. Give them work permits so that they can come back in the Spring for work and that’s it! Better yet, let’s mechanize agriculture.

    2. DAVE in VA November 14, 2014

      Mr. President, fulfill the promise that you have made to the PEOPLE, I agree with you on that . Do you remember when he had said this. The Public will have five days to look at every Bill that lands on my desk.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFYBU

  6. Joseph Kelsall November 13, 2014

    NOBODY could learn anything from GWB! He was a walking disaster for the USA!

    1. joe schmo November 13, 2014

      I totally agree with you on that one and I’m a Conservative.

      1. kenndeb November 13, 2014

        Me too

  7. paulyz November 13, 2014

    Just ask yourself one question. If Obama or the Democrat Party, and some Republicans as well, had any intention of actually fully securing our borders & stopping visa overstays, they have had years to do it, and had “already” passed LAWS ensuring they would??

    1. awakenaustin November 13, 2014

      Hey, concrete and barbed wire, pill boxes and machine guns all along the borders with Canada and Mexico. Great idea.Nothing says hello like an automatic weapon. Bill: billions and billions of dollars. It might be the first tax increase you thought okay. It certainly could be the kind of public works program that would jump start the economy. Wait, public works, what am I thinking, give the contract to the GOP’s big donor buddies.
      We could implant a tracking beacon in every tourist, or student and visitor required to get a visa, and away we go. I am sure they would be happy to oblige.
      It is the Democratic party moron.

      1. kenndeb November 13, 2014

        You mean like how Mooshell gave the healthcare website to her Bud?

        1. awakenaustin November 13, 2014

          Wow! So you responded to the least significant thing said. Good work. Nice to see you are on top of things.

          1. kenndeb November 13, 2014

            Happy to please. I would like to see our borders sealed, by whatever means. Hopefully, with dem commies, like you on the other side.

          2. awakenaustin November 13, 2014

            Of course you would, because you can’t see or think much beyond the tip of your nose. Try the commie insult on someone who cares what nimrods like you think. I’ve seen boxes of rocks that are smarter than you on your best day.

          3. kenndeb November 13, 2014

            I would guess that anything looks intelligent to you. Rocks, trees, hammers, all must have higher IQs than a commie dem

          4. awakenaustin November 13, 2014

            Ooo! Good comeback. Got your six year old helping you out with insults?

      2. paulyz November 17, 2014

        Actually, with a 2-layer fence we would need very few border patrol members which would result in a small cost to secure the border. You sound paranoid with the machine guns, pill boxes, etc. Maybe someday an Illegal will rape or murder someone you know or love. Are you a Democratic or a Republican, LOL?

        1. awakenaustin November 17, 2014

          Just back from vacation?
          Maybe you will die of cancer or maybe a car accident? Much more likely than either of those you mentioned happening to a loved one of mine.
          If I were going to worry actively about such tragedies, then I would be better advised, statistically, to worry about citizens since they overwhelmingly account for the violent crime in our nation.
          Maybe it will rain sometime in the future. I’ll carry an umbrella everyday.

    2. charleo1 November 13, 2014

      Well, read just a portion of the tortured process of trying to come up
      with an immigration bill, with a Republican controlled Congress, and
      a Republican President, [G.W. Bush] urging, no begging Congress to
      get immigration reform done. This was in that golden time, gone for
      almost 10 years now. When Democrats, and Republicans took their
      responsibilities to govern seriously. Believed that solutions could be
      found in that middle ground, by compromising. Which they unabashedly sought, without the fear of recriminations, and charges they were fraternizing with the enemy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act_of_2007

  8. James Bowen November 13, 2014

    Congress did not fail to pass “immigration reform”. They have thus far categorically rejected a very bad bill. In other words, they exercised their Constitutional perrogative to maintain separation of powers and checks and balances. Not passing that bill is a legitimate action on their part, and the President has no right to nullify that action.

    1. joe schmo November 13, 2014

      What checks and balances? Last time I looked there really was none. The Emperor just signed everything in with the stroke of a pen and a cellphone. Lucky for us they can be revoked. Hopefully by that time it won’t be too late.

    2. charleo1 November 13, 2014

      You’ll have to admit, it’s a lot easier to turn one’s nose up at something. Especially if that something is immigration, and you happen to be a Republican. And you’re 100% correct. That not passing a bill is exercising a Constitutional prerogative. But not sending a council to reconciliation on that bill, nor taking a vote on that bill as presented. Or not presenting a new bill to the Senate for their consideration, council, and reconciliation, is called loafing, or living on the dole. Then to keep asking the President what he’s going to do about immigration. Then threatening him, if he does anything. Because as members of a divided Party, they themselves sure as hell don’t know what they’re going to do. All that is, is a case of wanting to drive, because that’s where the money is. But, not having the slightest idea of where they want to go on immigration, or how to begin to get there, if they did. And all that would be wonderful entertainment, if we were all just out for a Sunday drive in the Country. But, we’re not. And any fool can see the House is stalling, as they have been stalling for four years now. Because they have no bill. And they are unable to deliver an immigration bill, on which a majority their Party agree. And if immigration was the only subject on which they could not reach consensus, that would be an unfortunate circumstance. But the hard reality is, the same divisions that preclude them from reaching agreement on immigration, also cripple their progress on all other pressing issues confronting the Nation. From budget, and tax reform, to what, if anything they propose to replace Obamacare with, if their efforts to repeal it are successful. Do they believe Congress has a responsibility to speak to the growing military conflict against IS? Or would they rather remain silent? Waiting for some hint as to which direction the wind is blowing, before wading in on the difficult questions of war, and peace? For the GOP, it’s time to put away the signs. quit protesting, and quit depending on others to make the suggestions, then bat them down, one by one. Those days are gone. They are now in the majority, in the heart of America’s Central Government. It’s what they said they wanted. And now, it’s time to lead.

      1. James Bowen November 13, 2014

        Yes, they are stalling, that is the point. The point of this was to make sure the Senate bill or something like it did not pass, and the best way to guarantee that was to not bring it up for a vote and not go to conference with it.

        By the way, it actually has not been sent to the House, presumably because the House Appropriations Committee would “blue-slip” it. It contained appropriations, and all appropriations are required to originate in the House. Blue-slipping it would have undone the Senate vote and required the Senate to make corrections and re-pass it. Considering the extremely negative reaction the public had to this bill, there is no guarantee that would have happened.

        Our system makes legislation tough to pass by design. It is a conservative system by nature that is designed to maximize the probability that all legislation will be heavily vetted, debated, and scrutinized before becoming law. Congress is therefore not obliged to pass any new laws. They are only required to pass a budget every year.

        1. charleo1 November 13, 2014

          They are stalling, but not because of negative public
          reaction to the Senate’s Bill. That’s only if we’re counting T-Party conservatives, who will not accept
          any bill that wouldn’t produce scenes reminiscent of Shindler’s List. At least, that’s what they claim. A position many of them ran on, and were elected on.
          Perhaps you voted for a T-Party candidate that took such a position. But, I think they are all aware, that a general roundup of all those who came into the Country without permission, or the proper paper work, is just not going to happen. Yet, they’ve put
          themselves in an all or nothing stance. And for them, it will remain, all or nothing. And the nothing stance, happens to suit the other wing of the GOP just fine. The wing that carries water for Big Ag. construction companies, and the hospitality industry. Who all use lots of cheap illegal labor to boost profits. So for this lobby, the more the merrier. The last major overhaul of the system was the ’84 immigration bill. That actually changed very little. It granted amnesty to 4 million immigrants. And, also left a hole in the subcontracting business, wide enough to drive an additional 12 million more eager undocumented thru. Holding down wages, while dodging tax, and labor laws. Without any serious downsides, even when they are caught redhanded, hiring illegal labor by the thousands. So, the deal is, it’s actually not the legislative system, that makes passing immigration reform such a tough thing for the GOP. It’s like a lot of stuff the politicians should be doing, because it’s in the interests of the people. However it’s in the interests of big business, to allow the ongoing exploitation of undocumented people working in the Country, as an institutionalized method of cutting labor costs, while flouting the law, and costing communities across the Nation, billions in unrecompensed subsidies in public services. And it’s just plain wrong. And if not Congress’ obligation, to deal with the situation, then who’s? I think with all the taxes we pay, and the very nice accommodations, and just the fact they get their egos stroked every single day. We ought to expect more out of them, than just passing a budget.

          1. James Bowen November 14, 2014

            Not because of public pressure–are you kidding me? The GOP leadership wanted badly to pass this amnesty, and the Tea Party’s record on immigration is mixed. Congress has gotten slammed with negative phone calls from their constituents for that Senate bill ever since it passed. Back in February, when Boehner was trying to find a way to pass something like the Senate bill through the House, he opened his website up for public comments and in very short order he got thousands of very negative comments. He publicly called off the effort the next day.

            Big business strongly supports amnesty for illegal aliens. They are the driving force behind. The ethnic pro-amnesty lobbies are little more than front groups for big business. They want illegal aliens legalized because that would permanently lock in a supply of cheap labor and remove the possibility of future enforcement. It also serves as an amnesty for their illegal activities.

            Congress does need to deal with this problem, but they need to do so in a manner that is in the interests of Americans citizens. That means reducing legal immigration by >90%, totally cracking down on illegal immigration, elimination of most guest worker programs and steep reductions in student visas, and restriction of birthright citizenship to the children of citizens and legal permanent residents. The Senate bill does the total opposite of this, and various House members rightly made defeating this bill as their priority, even if it meant the current Congress doing nothing on immigration. In other words, nothing is better than that nation-wrecking abomination that passed the Senate.

            You also don’t know that mass roundups aren’t going to happen. After all, we have done it before.

          2. charleo1 November 14, 2014

            Well, you’re getting there. First the House has no immigration bill. So, there’s that. And they really haven’t leveled with the non-business, rank, and file blue collars, and others, that support their Party, and support tough immigration laws. About the other faction in their Party that support, and protect the current, loosely enforced hiring practices of labor intense enterprises, like farming, hotels or construction. Which are costing everyone else big money, especially the gov. which is us. Paying for public services, and the necessary healthcare for the undocumented labor they hire by the hundreds of thousands, each year. So, without a doubt the last thing big business would ever want, is for the immigrants working in their hire, to be made legal in any respect. And why should they? To be required to register them with gov. provided visas? So as to be held accountable? This is the heart of the problem. Why there is no consensus to be found. Big business, and some very powerful ones, abhors the idea that this cheap illegally hired labor, would ever be registered, documented, and made legal. And thus, be even partially responsible to a gov. agency, for their treatment, or taxes, or for these workers Rights, or safety, in the workplace. I’m just curious, But why would you believe big business would support amnesty?

          3. James Bowen November 15, 2014

            What planet do you live on? You do know that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has led the efforts to pass amnesty for years, right? They have been firmly back by other business lobbies too. The presence of so much labor is what keeps the labor cheap, not their legal staus. However, as long as that labor is illegal, there exists the very real possibility that a future President who is not keen on the law being flouted on such a large scale will actually enforce these laws.

            The best way to enforce these laws would be to do it in the workplace. Make all employers use E-Verify, and back it up with SSN-No Matching to catch those who slip through E-Verify with stolen SSN’s.

          4. charleo1 November 16, 2014

            I live on the same planet you live on. Perhaps you should get to the bottom of the obstruction against registering these foreign nationals for yourself. With verifiable sources you trust. Since you don’t believe me. Look, since ’84, we’ve had 16 years worth of Right Winged Presidents, and 16 years of Left ones. And besides President’s not writing law, none have been keen on cracking down on either end of the illegal labor trade. Mostly at this point we’re just dealing with the results of decades of the status quo. So, A President can say, we’re going to crack down on this aspect, of the problem, or that one.
            Obama has said, of this barrel of fish, I’m going after those who have shown themselves to be criminals.
            And I’m not going to go after kids. But, they may not, on their own, legalize anyone, or anything, made illegal by law. That’s the job of Congress. Follow so far? If not, check sources you trust. Okay, with, about 11 years of GOP control of Congress, and about 10 years of Lefty Control, since’84. And still nary a single requirement for any of these operations that use 90% of the illegals, to use , E Verify, or anything like it, have ever come close to passing Congress. The standard for conviction of the offense of using undocumented labor remains, “knowingly,” hiring them. At this point, under the current law, we have an estimated 12 million unregistered, that have entered illegally over the past 35 years. And, the longer the present situation continues, the more likely the odds for yet another ’84 Bill. Where the political pressure is released by a general amnesty program. With the door for additional illegal hiring left wide enough to allow in the next 12 million. The continued demand for completely exploitable labor, exempt from all applicable labor laws, will remain inexhaustible. There’s not a Capitalists ideologue alive, that isn’t in love with a good system to keep labor costs to a minimum. There’s never been a factory owner, or production manager, that didn’t look out across the factory floor, and ponder ways to cut labor costs. You do believe that, surely? So, why not see illegal immigration in those terms? And the resistance to tougher laws, as a manipulation of the powers of government to regulate effectively?

          5. paulyz November 17, 2014

            Are you talking about the release of thousands of “criminal” Illegal aliens Obama has already released into our neighborhoods, and have raped & murdered many American Citizens.?

          6. charleo1 November 17, 2014

            Did you read my comment? No. Can you bring yourself to have a fact based discussion on the issue? Evidently not. In fact, it’s obvious you haven’t cared enough to informed yourself. So there is no point in replying to such nonsense.

          7. James Bowen November 17, 2014

            I know very well that is what motivates the opposition to the enforcement of immigration laws and the push to loosen those laws. What I am saying is that these forces need to be put in their place. We’ve done it before. Between 1924 and 1965 we strictly controlled and limited immigration. At one point illegal immigration got out of control, but Eisenhower then squashed that.

    3. Eleanore Whitaker November 19, 2014

      Excuses, excuses, excuses. Try not to create the impression that “Congress” is anything other than GOP bullies who loathe the idea of a Democratic president with VETO power or the same “extraordinary privilege” Bush and Cheney used with gusto.

      It’s not legitimate. If it was, you’d need to explain why Texas has an exception in their 2011 Riddle sponsored Immigration bill that allows Texans to hire illegals. So..which is it? The GOP is only FOR hiring illegals when Texans benefit? Or the GOP is against immigration reform to make those illegals Texans hire continue to be “exceptions?”

      1. James Bowen November 19, 2014

        You assume I am a Republican. I am not. I didn’t like amnesty any better when Bush was pushing for it. As a matter of fact, at the time I thought it was hard to imagine a President who would be worse on this that Bush was.

        Bottom line, Congress is the branch that makes immigration law. The President’s duty is to enforce that law, not nullify it.

        1. Eleanore Whitaker November 19, 2014

          Look, you may not like immigration reform. But, let’s face it. What do we do with the millions of children who were born in the US to illegal parents? Rip the kids from parents?

          I don’t like illegal immigration anymore than you do. Illegal to me means against the law.

          But, as the daughter of an Italian immigrant who came to the US back in 1907, I can tell you that immigration today is not what it was in my father’s day. Then, you didn’t have to have any papers. You boarded a ship and you got off on Ellis Island. Like many in my father’s day, thousands came to the US to live the American dream.

          The problem the GOP faces is not illegal immigration per se. It’s that illegals work for less than minimum wage, are hugely exploited by skanky employers who knowingly break the law hiring illegals and then the GOP puts price tags on the very people they allow to work as maids and yard workers in Big Rich Texas, That Whole Other Country.

          Did you also know that your taxes were part of that $90 billion TX, AZ and NM collected for border patrol? All while they continue to hire illegals?

          1. James Bowen November 19, 2014

            Given that those parents are the legal guardians, it is pretty obvious what we should do with them–we send them back with their parents. If they are citizens by birth, they may legally re-enter upon their 18th birthday. This is a non-issue.

            It is the presence of so many workers, not their legal status, that depresses wages and negatively impacts working conditions. That is basic supply and demand. It is actually big business that is the driving force behind the push for amnesty. They want a large supply of labor. They would rather it be legal, which is why they push so hard for it, but without their precious amnesty they will continue to hire them illegally–unless we start strictly enforcing immigration laws in the workplace.

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  10. charleo1 November 13, 2014

    “I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally,” That was Ronald Reagan in a 1984 Presidential debate with the Democratic challenger, Walter Mondale. Who I imagine was at a loss, as to how to track to the Left of that. Demonstrating that it hasn’t been the Democratic Party that’s packed up, and left the immigration, reservation. Lest we forget, it’s the GOP that’s gone extreme. And now expects Democrats to abandon our platform, in order to, “Get things done.” And why should Democrats do so?When obstruction, obfuscation, and just plain bald face lying, has worked so well in bringing the GOP back into a position of power. They say people are tired of the gridlock. Do you believe that? I do not. It’s what Republicans just voted for. And Democrats allowed, in an election with the lowest turnout since 1942. In handing control of the Senate back to Republicans, who are as radical now, as they have been at any time since reconstruction. The first time they tried to impeach a President. So, Republicans didn’t vote for less gridlock, they voted for more effective gridlock, With the fervent hope that impeachment proceedings, and the repeal of the healthcare law, are top priorities for Mitch McConnell, and John Boehner as soon as the new Congress is seated in January. What they hope is, that a Democratic Party, that fully half of Republicans are now so radical, they contend, and treat us as if, the Democratic Party was an illegitimate political organization. And had really ought to surrender every last principle we’ve held for the past 150 years. So who’s all in for joining the GOP? In the interest of getting things done, of course! Well, they can count me out. And one more thing. We’re really going to have to have our President’s back over the next couple of years.

    1. kenndeb November 13, 2014

      If only we HAD a president, and not an Emperor.

      1. awakenaustin November 13, 2014

        OOh! The idiot fringe got a day pass.

      2. joe schmo November 13, 2014

        Kenndeb, we need more than a leader at this point. We need a strong armed advocate that stands up to the bullies and for the people of AMERICA. Frankly, this has gotten way out of control at the hands of a blame game racist ideologue who hates this country and wants nothing more than to bring it to its knees. But I see no brave soul like Reagan was on the horizon. Divide and conquer is no joke.

        1. Dominick Vila November 13, 2014

          Does that mean you support a brave sequel to Reagan’s 1986 amnesty?

          1. joe schmo November 13, 2014

            Devoid of amnesty, thank you very much. It’s run amuck.

          2. Eleanore Whitaker November 17, 2014

            A northern NOOOOO Yawkah….who hates immigration reform. So let’s do what Schmomo wants…let another 10 million into TX, AZ and NM to work as maids and yard workers. That way all the hater boy schmomos can bitch and bitch and bitch.

            I’ve posted several times that TX passed a law in 2011 that included an exception that allows the hiring of illegals as yard workers and maids.

            So schmomo…tell us …is it the fault of liberals that TX can’t mow their own lawns or clean their own homes?

          3. joe schmo November 18, 2014

            We mow our own lawn and clean our own house. Is it my fault that many Americans are now lazy? Don’t think so. We don’t even like them on our property but it is inevitable sometimes because they come with the contractor doing the job. Reason….neighbor hired illegals. Next thing you know he gets robbed twice and we get our door kicked in in broad daylight stealing some items like computers, guitars…….Guy got caught and guess what. Was the dude the neighbor hired to work in his yard.

            By the way Eleanore, here in CaliMexico, we don’t need no more ‘stinkin’ Mexican’s and, by the way clueless, they are no longer just mowing lawns and cleaning houses and working in Agriculture. They have taken over carpentry jobs, mechanic jobs, welding jobs, union jobs, utility jobs, power company jobs…..They are also hired over anyone else. So go stuff your self Eleanore. You are not in my generation (you are just a retired old bat who lived in the best of America’s times) and have to suffer the ills of these ILLEGALS because that is what they are, period. My parents came over to this country LEGALLY. This is one of my biggest pet peeves so don’t even get me started.

          4. paulyz November 17, 2014

            Obama needs to fully secure the border & stop visa overstays before “another comprehensive Amnesty.” Actually all we need to do is enforce the ignored laws of the 1986 (one-time) Amnesty. If Obama really was interested in solutions, he had 6 Years to secure the border, but instead released tens of thousands of deported aliens, many criminals that have raped & murdered American Citizens. This clearly shows he has no intention of stopping Illegal entry, only getting Amnesty for more Democrat voters.

          5. Dominick Vila November 17, 2014

            The overwhelming majority of Latinos that enter the country without documentation don’t overstay their visas because they have none. That’s why we call them “illegals”. Most of the people that over stay their visas (student, tourist) come from Europe, Asia, and some Caribbean islands. I agree with you, we should not allow them to do that, and should stop being so indifferent to that aspect of our immigration problems.

        2. kenndeb November 13, 2014

          I do hope that maybe now we will get a few answers to all those questions that have been obscured by the liberals, like where the Emperor actually came from, where he went to school, and what his name actually is. Maybe then we can send him to a nice cell with some of his ISIS buds.

          1. joe schmo November 13, 2014

            Your first comments will most likely be FAT CHANCE. Not sure if you heard this but Obama’s Columbia student ID card had his name under his step fathers name. He went by Barry Sotoro and on the bottom it said ‘International Student.’ We will most likely never know for sure, and yes, he is NO christian. He is most definitely a Muslim.

            It seems to be obvious that he STILL refuses to work with Congress. Let’s just see how far he gets with no funding.

          2. kenndeb November 13, 2014

            Sure he will work with congress, IF they concede to everything he wants, the way he wants it, and when he wants it. Otherwise, it will be the republicans that are refusing to work out a compromise. It’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault that things don’t work, and when things go wrong.

          3. joe schmo November 14, 2014

            One thing is for sure. WE will be able to tell if he is unwilling to compromise because he WILL veto every bill that crosses his desk and pass all of his deplorable actions by the stroke of his pen. Two more years of this mess, wonder how much longer this Country can endure the demon in the White House.

          4. Independent1 November 14, 2014

            Remember Joe, the more lies you pile up the hotter the fires going to be.

          5. joe schmo November 14, 2014

            Not sure what you are even talking about, the fire is already burning out of control. Fire creates it’s own weather, what will happen next is anybodies guess……

          6. DAVE in VA November 14, 2014

            Independent, what fire are you talking about?

        3. Dominick Vila November 17, 2014

          Let me make sure I understand your point. Are you suggesting we need someone like Ronald Reagan, capable and willing to tell the bullies to back off, and grant amnesty to illegal immigrants living in the USA?

          1. joe schmo November 18, 2014

            On point one, yes we do need someone like Ronald Reagan who has guts and who is capable and willing to tell the bullies to back off.

            On your second point, Ronald Reagan tried to shut off immigration after he gave amnesty the first time around……enter Tip O’ Neal and Congress who wouldn’t let him shut it down. Thanks to the Dems we are in the shape we’re in. Who knew it would get SO out of hand.

          2. Dominick Vila November 19, 2014

            Thank you for having the courage to implicitly acknowledging that granting amnesty to illegal immigrants is the right thing to do, and a courageous act. I have to admit, I never expected a Republican to say what you just did.
            Regarding your second point. I don’t recall President Reagan trying to do anything further to limit or help immigrants, or Tip O’Neill impeding his decisions on this issue. If you have any evidence to that effect, please share it with the rest of us. What I do remember is then VP Bush Sr broadening the scope of the original amnesty without congressional approval. On his behalf, Congress did not express support or opposition to what he was doing.
            I also give credit to Sen. Marco Rubio, a Republican, who offered a constructive proposal in response to President Obama’s call for action two years ago…and was immediately chastised by his colleagues, who need this wedge issue to score political points. I doubt Rubio will be re-elected.

          3. joe schmo November 19, 2014

            Dominick, I never said that granting amnesty to all the illegals in this Country is the right thing to do. Reagan and Bush never let 5 million in. Immigration is one of my biggest pet peeves because my parents immigrated here legally and I believe in the quota. I also know how unfair it is for many other immigrants who legally want to come over here just to work with a visa for 3 or so years. Yarns of paperwork that goes on forever. I do not have a problem with a guest worker program like the Bracero program that California used to have for agriculture. This country used to be a special and unique place to immigrate to. I think to be fair, immigrants need to go through the channels legally to come here. Otherwise they are out.

            This issue has gotten WAY out of hand. The only reason your President wants to allow these people to become citizens is purely politically motivated and we Conservatives know it. My hope is that Mexico becomes more and more productive as I am hearing it is becoming. My hope is that many will self deport. In my opinion we no longer have the guts to do what’s right.

          4. Dominick Vila November 19, 2014

            My Dad entered the USA via Ellis Island in 1920, just before the 1924 Immigration Act which, among other things requires entry visas to limit immigration and ensure those that come have the skills and experience to contribute to our well being. When my Dad came, entering the country legally became coming to America and being processed at one of our entry ports. No visas required. They were checked to ensure they were not seek, they had to provide the name of a relative already residing in the USA, and they had to have a small amount of money with them. I believe it was $20, if I remember right. Regardless of whether or not our current immigration laws are fair or not, they are our laws, and they must be respected. It is up to us to decide whether or not they should be changed.
            The largest influx of illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central American countries came in between the Reagan and George W. Bush’s tenures. Admittedly, the reason illegal immigration was reduced to a trickle had more to do with the Great Recession and its effects, than anything President Obama has done.
            The bottom line is that Reagan and George H.W. Bush granted amnesty and expanded the original one. W also made things easier for Mexican immigrants to come into the USA after meeting with the President of Mexico. What President Obama is planning to do is not even close to what his predecessors did. A work permit and reprieve from deportation is not the same thing as a full pardon, granting them permanent residency, a path to citizenship, and eligibility to benefit from our social programs.
            When someone says: “yes we do need someone like Ronald Reagan who has guts and who is capable and willing to tell the bullies to back off” on a threat debating illegal immigration, it tells me that the author endorses what that President did – unconditional amnesty.

          5. joe schmo November 21, 2014

            Yes Dominick, blame it on the Conservatives. I am almost sure that they did not think it would escalate to this extent. Of course, a good thing, if left unchecked, often gets abused as is the case.

            Your father lived during a different time as mine did. My Dad came over in the 50’s when there were restrictions. Rightly so, I’m sure during that time they didn’t want the whole of Europe in the U.S. after WWII. It was a mess over there….. What do you think will happen if we allow everyone and their mother in? This can only get worse.

            As far as ‘unconditional amnesty.’ That’s nada for me.

          6. Dominick Vila November 21, 2014

            Unconditional amnesty means a lot to me, inasmuch as it means a full pardon, permanent amnesty, and a path to citizenship. Most importantly, it rewards people who entered the country without proper documentation (visas), thus encouraging others to do the same.
            Yes, we cannot afford to open the gates and allow masses of people to come in. That is precisely why immigration law reform is needed. Uncontrolled immigration, such as the one we had during the last half century is unsustainable, represents a threat to our security, and while it helps some businessmen get richer, it has an adverse effect on the ability of our government to collect the revenues it needs to provide the social services and fund projects, in areas such as infrastructure.
            A temporary work permit, such as the one granted by President Obama, does not solve the problem, but it is a step in the right direction. It does not change the status of the majority of illegal immigrants living in the USA, and it does permanent changes in the law designed to find a long term solution to this issue. It is a temporary fix that allows less than half of those living illegally in the USA to work and pay taxes without fear of deportation.
            The other two facets of President Obama’s EO, strengthening border security and deporting felons, may have a positive effect, but considering the ability of people to jump fences, crawl through tunnels, or swim across the Rio Grande, I doubt those measures will be more successful than all the previous attempts to reduce the flow of immigrants entering the USA illegally. A more effective way to achieve that is to fine the employers of illegal immigrants, and if they continue to do so, shut them down. No jobs = no illegal immigration.

          7. joe schmo November 22, 2014

            Dominick, that’s just what happened. A free ride….. Are you sure you are supporting the right party?

          8. Dominick Vila November 22, 2014

            Granting a TEMPORARY WORK PERMIT to people that entered the USA illegally BEFORE President Obama was inaugurated does not mean he is letting masses of people come into the country illegally. Instead, he is addressing a problem that existed during the past half century, and that both Republican and Democratic presidents tried to solve using tactics that range from building to vigilantes, to amnesty, to minor tweaking of our immigration laws, with little success. Unfortunately, none, including President Obama, have done what would really have a positive impact in curbing the flow of immigrants entering the USA without passports and visas. That is, fining or shutting down employers that hire illegal immigrants.
            I am a Democrat because I believe government has an important role to play to raise our standard of living and ensure our ability to compete in the world stage, because I support our social programs, because I believe the Democratic party embraces values that are more consistent with mine, such as helping the poor and the middle class, than the GOP does, because Democrats are more likely to go after white collar crooks than Republicans, and because Democrats are more fiscally responsible than Republicans.

          9. joe schmo November 23, 2014

            I totally agree with you in regard to immigration. I also believe that employers need to be fined for hiring illegals. Honestly, what is so hard about getting a work permit to work here. A person would fill out the paperwork or have someone help them do it when they enter the country. We have gotten lax with our laws and people are afraid to touch the subject because they feel that either side will be offended. I wish someone would take a tough stance on this issue because, in my opinion, Obama just made the problem worse. I also believe in tough measures in keeping cartel and other vagrants out by building a reinforced fence or arresting and turning back anyone that crosses the border illegally. So more border enforcement.

            Our standard of living at the moment is going down. So I believe government is NOT doing a good job in that department. There is a lot of mismanagement and freeloading going on in our government. It’s just not working. I also believe that when people come here to work, they should not be allotted all the freebies. They get more than many Americans and I believe that to be sacrilege and extremely unfair. According to family in Europe, this same sort of thing is also occurring. Only far far worse. I feel it is being deliberately done and as a result will take down Western Civilization. Hate to sound so harsh but you can just see it. It is too obvious.

            Our government does not ensure our ability to compete with the rest of the world. Citizens do that all on their own and that is one of the main reasons I am a conservative. In this administration trying to be innovative is near to impossible. If it weren’t for the unwavering spirit of Americans, innovation would not even be occurring. But as the Chinese and Indians keep coming over and learning more from us and taking their knowledge home, we will have a lot more to compete with than ourselves. (The Chinese are artists at taking American products and making them better. I know this because my father worked in the gaming industry in Las Vegas. When they had a conference and a new machine was unveiled, the Chinese were right there trying to figure out how it was put together. There were times when they were asked politely to leave.)

            Freedom is a great thing when it works. However there are still laws and principles individuals have to live by to make it work. Interpretation by lawyers who can misconstrue the Constitution and Amendments are part of the problem we face today. In my opinion our freedom is becoming more like social chains dragging down our whole society and I believe this is not at all what the Founders intended.

            Come on Dominick, American’s have never been unkind to the poor and the middle class is shrinking as we speak. Americans have generally been gracious to their fellow man until now. I have traveled quite extensively and found that the Americans were the nicest of all the countries I visited. However, that is changing and the animosity we feel now for each other is un-American. You are solely blaming the Republicans for this and they are not entirely at fault. If anything they have been guilty of being extremely weak and catering to the whims of a self-proclaimed dictator. A wiser man would never pit anyone. A president is not supposed to be bias to one way of thinking and one party. A president does not force and agenda on the people of a country who don’t agree with his policies. Rather he works within a framework of representatives who come up with a plan that will make most people happy. A president is diplomatic. This one is not. If anyone, this man has broken us into smitherines. Where this will end is anyone’s guess. My outlook is quite pessimistic. Ask anyone who is old and who has immigrated over here when America was, well, working as America.

            You may want to rethink and look back in time. This is certainly not the America I know and love. In fact, at this point in time. I resent it.

          10. Dominick Vila November 23, 2014

            The illegal immigration problem has been with us for decades. Various Presidents tried to solve it with little success. President Reagan granted amnesty to 3.7 million illegal immigrants in 1986, and that only encouraged more to come. Presidents Bush Sr and Jr made changes to our immigration laws to help solve this issue. Their efforts were all in vain. President Obama’s decision to give temporary work permits to those who entered the country over 5 years ago and who have children born in the USA, is not going to solve the problem either as it ignores the fact that there are 11 million illegal immigrants in the USA, and temporary reprieve is just that, temporary. On a more positive note, the latest attempt may provide the impetus needed for comprehensive immigration law reform – not necessarily amnesty since that will solve absolutely nothing. I doubt that is going to happen. Most members of Congress are terrified of the backlash they will get from their most loyal constituents, and don’t want to bite the hand that feeds them (their political donors).
            The easiest way to solve this is to go after those that hire illegal immigrants. I don’t think that is going to happen regardless of who controls Congress and who is in the WH. There is simply too much money at stake to even attempt to change the status quo.

          11. joe schmo November 24, 2014

            Well, Obama did not care a bit about Americans who did not want Obamacare. We should have been given an option.

            You are right all these guys together did nothing to curb the problem. Sometimes it does take a tough stance. Remember that old saying ‘you can’t please all the people all the time.’ Such is the case here. Doesn’t please any of us, but then again who has the rights in this country. The citizens or the illegals?

            You do realize how much we will have to pay to keep these people here:

            President Barack Obama’s amnesty for four million illegal immigrants will cost Americans about $2 trillion, or roughly $40 billion a year for
            the next five decades.

            The cost of Obama’s generosity is equivalent to 30 cents extra for every gallon of gas bought by Americans.

            Or a $10 monthly fee added to every cellphone.

            Or a $22,000 tax on every American graduate’s four-year college degree.

            The $2 trillion cost is driven by the federal government’s support for all poor people, says Robert Rector, a budget analyst at the
            Heritage Foundation. Rector explained that, on average, the illegal immigrants benefiting from the amnesty have a 10th grade education.

            That low education ensures they can’t earn enough money, or pay enough taxes, to pay for the many benefits they’ll get if they progress
            from temporary residents to legal residents and then to citizens.

            Absolutely, that would be the answer, that is, going after the employer and making them pay a fine.

            Well, there is also way too much money involved in giving them amnesty. 2 trillion to be exact. It will come out of gas taxes, college student tutions and $10 fee

            Currently, government spends roughly $50 billion a year supporting the children and families of illegal immigrants. Much of that costs consists of free schooling and medical care for the U.S.-born kids of illegals.

            Obama’s plan will expand the spending, for example, by providing tax benefits, including Earned Income Tax Credit.

            Two parents with three or more children would receive up to $6,143 in2014 if they earn less than $46,997, according to the Internal Revenue
            Service’s EITC calculator. A family with two kids and an income of $20,000 would receive $14,590 in taxpayer funds this year alone from EITC.

            Those benefits will gradually expand to include healthcare and retirement benefits, Rector said.

            Do you think that is fair to us?

          12. Dominick Vila November 25, 2014

            President Obama is the President of the United States, not the President of the opposition. As president, he does what he believes is in the best interest of the nation, not what is in the best interest of the GOP or Democrats, and what some segments of our business community would like. There are options when it comes to Obamacare, the most effective, logical, and easiest to implement is to propose changes designed to make the program more efficient and cost effective. Going back to the horrendous healthcare system that excluded millions of Americans from one of the most basic necessities in life – adequate and affordable healthcare – is not one of them.
            I am not surprised to see the Heritage Foundation trying to demonize President Obama’s decision to take a modest step to solve the immigration law injustices, including their decision to refer to a TEMPORARY Work Permit as amnesty. A temporary work permit does not mean permanent residency or naturalization and, consequently, it does not afford social services to the recipients. It simply allows them to work legally in the USA, pay taxes, and be able to live with their American born children, which in the civilized world is evidence of humanity. Something that many Americans are ignoring, or don’t care about, is the way the rest of the world is looking at and considering what is happening in America, from the issue of healthcare, to Ferguson and the continuous “accidental” or “justified” lethal shootings of unarmed African Americans throughout the USA. Don’t be surprised if people laugh at us the next time we go around the world preaching freedom, democracy, and the rule of law. I watch foreign TV media every day, and the reactions to what is happening in the USA are not pretty.

          13. joe schmo November 25, 2014

            No, Dominick, he does what’s best for himself and for the good of the Black side of his heritage. Nothing else matters.

            How has he made Obamacare more efficient and cost effective? He does what’s best for the Democrats and non-citizens. The Conservatives don’t even count and he has done absolutely nothing for the business community except raise their taxes.

            Humanity, sure. But where is the humility and humanity for the American people of this country. Seems to me that everyone else matters.

            I totally agree with your last statement. They will and they do:)

          14. Dominick Vila November 26, 2014

            Interesting. African Americans accuse President Obama of not doing anything to advance their cause, and some whites accuse him of being the President of Black Americans! Both are wrong, he is neither. He is the President of the United States of America. Everything he has done thus far, from preventing our economy from collapse, to giving tax breaks to small businesses, to ending the record number of bankruptcies and foreclosures, contributing to the highest GDP in the world, contributing to record corporate profits and an all time high DOW Index record, declining unemployment, job creation, reduced deficit spending by 2/3, restored confidence, fighting for equality, reducing our military presence in the Persian Gulf region, dealing with OBL and other Al Qaeda leaders, and restoring our international credibility, has all been designed to keep America safe (no 9/11 attacks under his watch, and a dramatic reduction of terrorist attacks against U.S. diplomatic facilities and our interests), doing everything he could to preserve and improve our standard of living and our constitutional rights. With the exception of Lincoln, FDR, and Clinton, President Obama is one of the best presidents in U.S. history.
            President Obama is not being attacked because his policies have not contributed to our well being, he is being attacked because of his successes and because of who he is, and what he represents to a small but vociferous segment of our population.

          15. joe schmo November 27, 2014

            Since Obama gave these so called illegals amnesty, the African American will even be more displaced. Especially the males who have the lowest employment numbers. Since the Hispanics have been given amnesty they will begin to flow off the farms and into the public sector. Looking for higher grounds. They already do this in CaliMexico. Many of us have gotten pushed out of jobs or overlooked. Sad but true. We citizens have had to go it alone doing any job that comes up the road. Companies will be eager to hire these people before the American. Something you may not know:


            “Under the president’s new amnesty, businesses will have a $3,000-per-employee incentive to hire illegal immigrants over native-born workers because of a quirk of Obamacare.

            President Obama’s temporary amnesty, which lasts three years, declares up to 5 million illegal immigrants to be lawfully in the country and eligible for work permits, but it still deems them ineligible for public benefits such as buying insurance on Obamacare’s health exchanges.

            Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/obama-amnesty-obamacare-clash-businesses-have-3000/#ixzz3KHQiAzy2
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            I’m really sorry to say this but I think that liberals are doing a grave injustice to our Black Americans. You can’t pacify them and think they will be successful in life. It only incites laziness and a lack of want to work or get a good education. With little to do Blacks have way too much time on their hands. ‘Idle hands are the devil’s workshop’ is no lie. Along with the false propaganda they are being fed by Sharpton, Obama, Holder and Jackson, the young people like those in Ferguson and in other big cities, only makes them angrier. They are reacting to a false belief system.

            Stocks and Small business

            Dominick, he has not given tax breaks to small businesses. We know people who have small businesses and they are suffering big time. Economic collapse? We are on the precipice. For whatever reason stocks seem to be thriving in this downturn but somehow I feel it is a ruse by the Feds who are keeping the interest rates low.

            “The first part of the story goes like this: The US has lowered interest rates to the point where it is actually more profitable for many companies to borrow money and use the proceeds to buy back their own shares, thus eliminating the need to pay dividends on those shares. What do corporate CEOs and Boards know which everyone is missing and that is driving them to executing corporate buybacks approximating $2 Trillion over 24 months? The answer is a free tax ride thanks to the Macro prudential Strategy of the Fed’s ongoing game of Financial Repression. A game which may be quickly getting out of control!

            In case you are in the 1% who have been too busy counting your startling increase in net worth, let me first highlight the velocity with which corporate buybacks have accelerated to.

            90% of all S&P 500 profits are presently being spent on corporate Buybacks and Dividends. This is historically unheard of. We are approaching nearly $2 Trillion in buybacks by the S&P 500 members within a forecasted 2 year period. So why is this distortion happening?

            A FREE TAX RIDE
            We presently have one of the biggest tax ruses in history going on as the Fed and US Treasury desperately try and increase the wealth effect to elevate asset prices and finance government debt. To make low bond yield seem relatively attractive (at present historic lows), the Fed needs to get stock yields down via elevating stock prices. Corporations have been willing accomplices in this charade.”

            Another issue we will be facing is the fact that both Russia and China are devising a way to go around the dollar. When that happens all that paper money, we are printing with no gold to back it up, will only be worth the paper it is printed on.


            I agree with the fact that the Military does not need to be in the Middle East, but I do not believe the downsizing of the military. I also believe we need to go in and rescue the remaining Americans held captive.

            Another thing, President Obama thought he could control the soft spoken Hagle. Didn’t work did it. He started opening his mouth. The two appointees whom the government thought would be prospective candidates, both declined. The military does not like Obama. Not a good thing.

            Not sure where you got that one. We went from being 2nd to 12th in the world and are not internationally respected. Putin, China….Canada actually mocks him. The world is making a mockery out of America. Maybe check out other media outlets around the world. Europe is not good because they blow in the same ear we do.

            This is where we draw the line in the dirt. Preserve our standard of living and Constitutional rights, seriously! No my friend, the standard of living may be good where you are but when turkeys go up to 35.00 and will go up higher around the holidays, I don’t see that our standard of living is excelling.

            He has been the most divisive and destructive President we have ever had in this nation. The worst thing of all is, I really don’t feel we will be turning in the near future or ever.

            The suppression of American children’s Christian values, to the Marxist indoctrination of College students, to the cost of living, to the lack of jobs (People barely getting by on two jobs, to forced Federal insurance, to the Amnesty for millions (of undereducated) to come in and take our jobs (more will come), to the riots for the wrong reasons. There is no reprieve. A place where everything wrong is right and everything right is wrong. No my friend we are not the America of old. In fact, I don’t even recognize her. Next time you have some time. Think about that flag flying (have you forgotten her glory?) Remember what the forefathers of this country worked for. I’m hoping you still feel something because for most people those stars and stripes evoke nothing at all except a deprivation that should be hung upside down and burned…..

  11. browninghipower November 13, 2014

    Wouldn’t it be nice if Obama actually had the balls to go ahead and just fucking DO this rather than leaking out his intention to do it bit by bit? I knew he screwed the pooch when he took it off the table prior to the Midterms. Let’s see if and how he rationalizes inaction now. Really, does anyone believe that he’s actually going to pull the trigger? Really? I think he’s overjoyed the goopers won the Senate. Watch for a return of the Grand Bargain!! And I’m not so sure he’ll veto the Keystone Pipeline either. I have yet to see him fully and convincingly take on the fuckers from the GOP.

    1. FT66 November 13, 2014

      He can’t make promises , postponed them, make new ones again and never take any action. How will he look in the eyes of many?

    2. 1standlastword November 14, 2014

      The GOP has had Obama on the turf of the political playground punching his face in for six long years and all the while yelling if you hit back we’re going to report you to the principle.

      On immigration Obama has a trump card that the GOP doesn’t want him to play. They prefer for him to hold it or tear it in half and hand it over to them in negotiation for something they want that they know he wouldn’t give them otherwise like Keystone XL or changes in PPACA that would make it less helpful to those helped by it so that they can kill the whole enchilada and give it back to the healthcare industry: one of their familiar buyers of influence.

      I think Obama has accepted–at the eleventh hour–that the GOP really intends to obliterate his legacy.

      It would be an appropriate and fitting image if all Americans started to view the GOP not as politicians acting for the good of the people but more like a board of directors on the staff and pay role of the “corporate citizens” that want to permanently lock in a client government to exercise their will the world over.

  12. Eleanore Whitaker November 14, 2014

    The GOP men have always believed in mind control, subtle, blatant or otherwise. This is one reason they have, like Mafiosi, the biggest right wing billionaire media titans in their back pockets. Take over the media and you take over peoples’ minds and their right to free expression.

    But, the biggest joke that I see most prevalent today among the GOP bulls is that they are curiously terrorized by the sound of a single word, “BUSH.” You’ll notice they never refer to him in any way. Nor, do they pump their chests in praise of his accomplishments. So, in a way, these childish men have only Obama to bash in order never to hear the word BUSH again.

    1. kenndeb November 14, 2014

      Mind control, brainwashing are part of your liberal agenda. The media IS controlled by LIBERALS. Get a grip and a clue.

      1. DAVE in VA November 14, 2014

        kenndeb, that is so true the media is controlled by the Liberals. My Wife and I watch ABC news as we sit down for dinner nightly, not one story of the Jonathan Gruber story on how they had to lie to the people in order to pass Obama care.

        1. Eleanore Whitaker November 15, 2014

          Dave in VA…Murdoch has publicly stated he is an ultra right winger and conservative who demands his billionaire media print “what he tells them to.”

          Adelson, the Koch bois and Zuckerberg…all billionaire media titans and all are CONs…not liberals. They own the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post, Chicago Times and several other biggest US media outlets like Fox News…You’re one sick pup and need to stop lying. Is that all men in VA know how to do? Lie to get their way?

  13. Nathan Jessup November 14, 2014

    I don’t see how anyone can take Obama seriously any longer.

    1. Eleanore Whitaker November 15, 2014

      Of course you don’t. You much prefer a Harvard MBA president from Texas who dumps 50% of the Exxon Valdez spill fine on taxpayers, lies about WMDs, ignores all the red flags of 9/11 as pointed out by the 9/11 Commission and then as a topper to his 8th year in office leaves the country in huge debt from 2 wars he used to help Cheney’s Halliburton earn that $350 billion in Iraq profits. Of course you don’t take ANY president seriously who breaks up the Corruption Boys of the right and the GOP who extort by shipping 8 million American jobs offshore from 2004 to 2008 and who insist that our taxes are an entitlement of the corporate welfare boys. Try again…the only 4-letter word that makes golddigger boys like you cringe is “B-U-S-H.”

      1. paulyz November 17, 2014

        Give it up already about your hatred for Bush, the American People clearly do not like Obama’s Executive policies that he had to lie about to ram through, because they believe Americans, you included, are too stupid to know better.

        1. Eleanore Whitaker November 17, 2014

          Oh contrare mon misguided frere…I have NO intentions of giving it up. I have every intention of forcing right wing HATER Bashy Boys like you to stuff a sock a in it.

          The only “people” who don’t like Obama’s Executive policies are the ones the SC court declared are now “people,” …corporations

          10 million are enrolled in the ACA in less than 2 years. Do tell hater boy…who hates healthcare reform? In my state (NJ), over 1.5 million are enrolled in healthcare they can NOW afford.

          As for Bush, unlike you Hater Boy, I don’t hate anyone, least of all the puppet frontman you elected 2 times who had no presidential leadership skills.

          You can’t name a single thing to credit Cheney, your REAL president, with. You want a nice helping of HATER BOY BS to go with your Hypocrisy?

          Bush was a 3-time failure before you idiot righties ever paid for him to become president. Take you hateful little self and stick it up your double wide.

          1. paulyz November 18, 2014

            WOW, what a biased rant, and hateful. I don’t live in a double-wide, I have been a tax-paying homeowner for decades, even paying for public schools, while my children went to parochial schools, why they are doing fine as contributing members of society, and they also are forced to pay for all of the takers expecting FREE rides on the rest of us. I gladly give to charities but do not endorse feel-good welfare that keeps people dependent on Government for generations.
            Now that Bush/Cheney have been gone for OVER 6 years, who do you blame for the 6 years of high gas prices and long-term unemployment?
            You are also clearly in the minority view as Americans woke up this last election to the lies, follies, & failed “leadership”.

  14. rothgar November 15, 2014

    In this losers election the people who voted against President Obama in 2008 and 2012 voted against his allies. Gee there’s a surprise but no mandate. IMHO.

  15. Erica Mason November 16, 2014

    Folks need to keep in mind that Obama’s criminal regime has zero credibility.

  16. Zed Power November 16, 2014


    Mexico invades.

    President Hussein grabs his ankles and surrenders.

  17. Ann Deez November 21, 2014

    I’m not sure why, but Obama seems to truly despise this country.


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