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Race To The Bottom: Governors Turning Their Backs On Syrian Refugees Are Turning Their Backs On American Values

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Race To The Bottom: Governors Turning Their Backs On Syrian Refugees Are Turning Their Backs On American Values

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Across large swathes of our country, a false choice for the American people is resulting in an ugly abdication of American values and leadership. Throughout the day on Monday, 27 governors (26 Republicans and 1 Democrat) declared their intentions to attempt to block any Syrian refugees from settling within their respective states in the name of protecting the homeland.

These prohibitions, driven by the fear and anger surrounding the horrific attacks in Paris and from the unconfirmed possibility that one of the terrorists may have had a Syrian passport, represent a stunning lack of empathy for hundreds of thousands of people desperately seeking to escape the very type of violence we oppose. Not only does this go against everything we stand for as America—it plays right into the hands of our enemies, who want nothing more than for us to abandon our values and allow these families to continue to suffer under their rule.

Our first priority is and should continue to be to protect our nation, period—but we already do that. The fear that insufficient vetting of refugees will allow terrorists or their sympathizers to slip into the states ignores the well-developed capabilities of the United States government to prevent exactly that. Unlike in Greece, Syrian refugees are not arriving on our shores by boats or small rafts in the thousands.

In fact, in spite of false stories circulating the internet, fewer than 2,200 refugees from Syria have been relocated to the U.S. since the beginning of the war. The refugee screening process currently in place takes an average of 12 to 18 months per successful applicant (with additional steps for Syrians), and it involves coordination between agencies as diverse as the FBI, the National Counterterrorism Center, and the Department of Homeland Security. The process is so thorough that more than 750,000 refugees have been resettled in the United States since September 11, 2001, yet not one has been arrested on domestic terrorism charges.

Does that mean it isn’t possible for someone to infiltrate the system in order to carry out an attack on American soil?  Of course not. No system is perfect, and we must remain diligent when it comes to our screening process and constantly strive to improve it. But pretending that we have no screening process already in place is as immoral as it is misleading. Our leaders have the responsibility to have an honest conversation with us about the threats we face, and the solutions we should embrace to keep us safe—not to put on the most outrageous political theater they can muster.

A quick glance at the bandwagon reveals some bewildering passengers. Louisiana Governor and four-time winner of the Undercard Debate Participant Ribbon Bobby Jindal was one early adopter of the anti-refugee position. Jindal, himself the son of immigrants from the war-torn Punjab state of India, expressed his lack of understanding of irony by signing an executive order that not only halted the inflow of any refugees to Louisiana, but also authorized the Louisiana State Police (presumably led by Sherriff J. W. Pepper, given his prior liaison with MI6) to monitor all 14 Syrian refugees already settled in the Pelican State.

Some governors don’t need a futile run for president to excuse a scarcely concealed contempt for not only Syrian refugees, but apparently foreigners in general. Arizona’s Gov. Doug Ducey took one of the most extreme positions in the nation,  demanding that the federal government halt the resettlement of all refugees within his state—not just those fleeing the brutal violence of the Syrian civil war. It seems hard to justify a prohibition on admitting those fleeing from states like Myanmar, Cuba, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo on a fear of ISIL infiltrators.

And finally, a perfect example of abdicating leadership to avoid tough conversations with some of the most informed constituents in the nation is New Hampshire’s Gov. Maggie Hassan. Gov. Hassan became the only member of the president’s party joining the panic train, breaking the hearts of Democrats everywhere and endearing herself to tens of Republicans. The Governor’s decision was surely based on heretofore-unreported problems with the more than 3,300 refugees that have become Granite Staters in the past 7 years rather than her coming 2016 Senate battle with Sen. Kelly Ayotte. 

The most ludicrous part of all this chest thumping? The governors can’t even follow through. Per the Refugee Act of 1980, the president accepts and directs refugees into the United States. Yet their empty gestures are still inspiring damaging policy and rhetoric of the GOP presidential field, with son of a refugee (but not the Muslim kind, relax) Sen. Ted Cruz pushing a bill to ban the appropriation of funding Syrian refugees, and master of the folksy-offensive, former Gov. Mike Huckabee (of my own home state of Arkansas), demanding we “wake up and smell the falafel” and stop “importing terror.”

But there’s something fundamentally damaging about all of this, too—a dimming of the American beacon of hope, intangible but far-reaching. Those who fear refugees indiscriminately, or turn from saving thousands of lives without even understanding the processes in place to keep us safe, have the flattest, simplest views of “us vs. them.” An America that wishes to be an active participant on the global stage cannot afford to cede control to those who would leave the innocent with their faces pressed against the glass, looking for hope that will never come.

In the decades following World War II, the world looked to the United States for an example of open-handed kindness to those most in need. Now, it sees a growing number of xenophobes, egged on by leaders embracing a cheap politics of fear.  We must not sacrifice our values and give into the extremists who wish to tear us down and destroy all we hold dear. Instead, we must fight—not only with our military and diplomatic tools, but with our spirit. For living our values is the truest way to defend them.

If you are serving in or running for office in the United States, lead that fight or get out of the way. We deserve better than false choices and fear-mongering.

Brandon Fureigh is the Chief Strategy Officer of the Truman National Security Project. He previously was a Training Coordinator working with U.S. Marines preparing to deploy to the Middle East and has been involved with a number of political and issue advocacy campaigns.

Photo: Syrian refugees call for help and empty water from their flooding raft as they approach the Greek island of Lesbos October 20, 2015.  REUTERS/Yannis Behrakis  

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  1. Daniel Jones November 18, 2015

    Let me explain the neo-conservative take on American Values; “What’s it worth to me?”

    Seriously, this cannot and will not end. These humanoids have absolutely no regard for anything but themselves and they will gleefully leave millions to die as they feel it’ll leave more for them to loot from the carrion fields.

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    1. bcarreiro November 19, 2015

      Corruption is the stronghold that has created terrorism. What are these republicans and one democrat scared of…..carma. The one deprived is the one for peace.

      1. joe schmo November 19, 2015

        We’re scared of what is happening in Europe and we DON’T WANT IT HERE. Lalaland does not exist!

    2. Dominick Vila November 19, 2015

      What’s in for the political opportunists that are exploiting the ignorance and fears of the base of their party is scoring political points.

      1. joe schmo November 19, 2015

        Shame, Dominick….you should know better….

    3. joe schmo November 19, 2015

      Safe zones come to mind. That is not heartless. My spouse and I cannot figure liberals. We call you all aliens. Until terrorism befalls your family you lunatics will stop at nothing to allow carnage into this once great nation.

  2. joe schmo November 18, 2015

    FU Governor Moonbeam!

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    1. BillP November 19, 2015

      As usual you show your utter lack of class or intelligence. Yeah I know you say you have a Master’s degree, all that does is make you educated in a specific field of study. Class is something exhibited by people, though you show only a lack of it.

  3. Dominick Vila November 19, 2015

    Do only positive thing I can say about Republicans is that they are consistent. Two years ago we sent back 3,000 Central American children and women trying to escape drug related violence and government persecution. The excuses given ranged from illegal status to tuberculosis. Perhaps not surprisingly, the administration caved in and those seeking asylum in the home of the brave, the country that once welcomed the huddled masses, sent those women and children back to the mayhem they were trying to escape from.
    Today, the same macho men are determined to reject the offer made by President Obama to accept 10,000 Middle Eastern refugees because they have not been properly vetted and because we can’t ascertain which ones are Christians and which ones are evil Muslims.
    This is the sad reality of the mindset, and total lack of humanity, that prevails nowadays in what was once a bastion of freedom, democracy, and a multi-cultural nation.

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    1. itsfun November 19, 2015

      Have you seen the so called refugees. All of the news shows I have seen showing the refugees, show a huge percentage of young healthy males. Why aren’t these men staying in their country to help win the war with terrorists? We can’t afford to let just anybody in with the terrific threats to people. I don’t think there is a lack of humanity, but a fear of being murdered in our own homes. We have a President that allows sanctuary cities to ignore and disobey federal laws, thus allowing illegal aliens to murder our citizens and get away with it. Even though that President took an oath to enforce the laws of our nation. How is that keeping Americans safe? We must protect our citizens first and foremost.

      1. pattreid November 19, 2015

        So you watch Fox, what did you think they’d show? Their goal is to keep you fearful and therefore manageable. No, not just manageable; controllable. ISIS wins, America loses. You are embracing terror and fear. I’m happy I don’t live with that mindset.

        1. Eleanore Whitaker November 19, 2015

          Fox News should be shut down. Yesterday they were announcing an attack on NY City and DC…when it was only a threat. You know why they are doing this…they want to get even with this president for brokering the Iran deal that ends US Big Oil’s strangle hold on Americans.

          All the righties in this country are after is to create mass panic and then restore order…their way. What a bunch of lunatics..and all from Republican states.

          1. @HawaiianTater November 19, 2015

            This is Republicans in a nutshell. They want to create the problems so they can blame Democrats for the problems.

          2. Eleanore Whitaker November 19, 2015

            I wouldn’t mind their big mouths so much if theirs were the states that were most vulnerable to attack. It’s always the states on the East Coast…never those in the midwest or south.

          3. @HawaiianTater November 19, 2015

            I wouldn’t mind red states so much if they didn’t get to suck taxpayer funds from blue states. Without the federal help, they would have already turned into third world countries.

          4. pattreid November 19, 2015

            Wait until Trump gets elected. Then all of America will be a 3rd world country. You know, we have to compete with China, so we can’t pay our workers a living wage. the problem we is, we don’t live in China, so how can we survive on Chinese wages?

          5. paulyz November 19, 2015

            We have been gradually becoming a 3rd. World country from decades of Liberal policies, but much quicker now under Obama & his Socialist policies & Amnesties.

          6. pattreid November 25, 2015

            That’s an interesting take on history. Just this morning, on Morning Joe, Karl Rove was going on and on about how the GOP (and conservatism, by his lights) has been in charge for 3/4ths of the last century. Maybe you should address him with your discomfort.

            But,maybe America just finally woke up to the damage being done by the GOP, and we’ve taken a turn to the left to try to fix things. God knows we’ve fallen behind the other 1st world countries for long enough. I guess, if you’re goal in life is to create new and bigger wars, you’re bound to take your eye off the ball and allow the living conditions of your citizens to fall to 3rd world status.

          7. paulyz November 30, 2015

            Are you serious? The Democrats have controlled Congress for the vast number of years since 1945. You need to comprehend better.

          8. @HawaiianTater November 19, 2015

            Buahahahaha! I am practically begging the GOP to nominate Trump. It will be the biggest landslide since Mondale. There is no chance in hell Trump could win in the general election.

            Trump is a secret Democrat anyways. He is doing this to keep Republicans out of the WH. We all owe him a debt of gratitude.

          9. David November 20, 2015

            Taxpayer funds to support the illegals pouring over the border.

          10. Eleanore Whitaker November 20, 2015

            Republican politicians with every word uttered from their big mouths prove they are anti-government. It isn’t hard to see what they are after is NO government. Especially LIbertarians and the right wing. They prove this by sidling up to billionaires who use these GOP politicians like dockside harlots.

            The basic idea of the GOP ideology is one party ruling class, no government and our tax dollars handed over to GOP and billionaire royalty.

            This is why the GOP states always are so deeply embedded in industries they know require our Blue State tax dollars to fund their industries and, by way of association, help Republican states pay less in taxes and contribute less to the federal taxes Blue States pay more heavily.

            If you study the last 2 decades of GAO reports, you see that the top 10 states who get the most for the $1 they pay in federal taxes are ALL Republican states. Some, like Alaska are getting nearly $2 for the dollar they. Then, you look at the averages of return the Blue states get and it’s 55 cents for the $1 we all pay.

          11. @HawaiianTater November 20, 2015

            “dockside harlots” Hahahaha! Sometimes I really like you, Elly.

            “The basic idea of the GOP ideology is one party ruling class, no government and our tax dollars handed over to GOP and billionaire royalty.”

            When they say they want to take the country back, what they mean is they want to go back to the days of robber barons. The Kock Bros are the modern day Carnegie and Rockefeller. They want no regulations and a select few companies with a monopoly over the entire economy while everyone else serves them as economic slaves. The robber baron days is the reason we passed anti-trust laws in the first place and the elite have been fighting to overturn regulations ever since. They actually WANT another Great Depression. Only this time, they want to be in a position to create a serf class with no FDR and New Deal in the way.

            What really kills me is that so many people are ignorant of history. We’ve already been through all of this before. All anyone has to do to see how this plays out is to check the history books. Republicans have convinced their idiot voter base that regulations are killing the economy when regulations are the only thing stopping the billionaires from a complete takeover.

            As the old saying goes: those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

          12. Eleanore Whitaker November 20, 2015

            I so agree. These are ignorant men who pull tantrums to get their way. The problem with another Great Depression is that they’ll be the first ones jumping out the windows of their skyscraper offices.

            There’s an old joke told by the late Phyllis Diller back in the 1950s. She cracked that NY City had a garbage problem…people had to step over the bodies of the Robber Barons flying out of their skyscraper windows.

            If there is one thing rich men cannot survive, it’s huge losses to their wealth. Make no mistake. They ARE about to crash the market. Their attitude is that the “sky’s the limit.” Every sensible top financial adviser warns this is an attitude that is a recipe for a disaster. Their sky and their “limit.” Not ours.

          13. @HawaiianTater November 20, 2015

            That may be true of a majority of the rich. I’m talking about the top of the top. The 0.000001%. The Kock Bros not only want to eliminate the middle class, they want to get rid of most of the rich people too. They have enough money to survive a crashing economy. It would leave them in a position to rebuild things in their own image. We should all be very terrified of that.

          14. David November 20, 2015

            Eleanore!!! That is because we still have armed citizens. Of course the terrorists are going after the soft targets. Like those two ragheads that tried to attack the cartoonists in Dallas because they were making fun of the pedophile Mohammed. They were summarily executed without hurting anyone.

          15. paulyz November 20, 2015

            You forgot to mention terrorism caused by Illegal Aliens, much of it in Texas, Arizona, & California.

          16. David November 20, 2015

            But, it was Bush’s fault!

        2. itsfun November 19, 2015

          Don’t watch FOX very often. Mostly CBS news

        3. ILOVEREALAMERICA! November 22, 2015

          You are sooooooo liberally ignorant when a Terrorist Islamic bombs a town and destroys innocent people, family’s and loved ones…whatcha goin to do You want more Terrorist refugee’s you Moron!!
          you still won’t get it! We should deport you!

      2. latebloomingrandma November 19, 2015

        A fear of being murdered in our own homes? Yes, yes!!! And when we have a mass shooting, every week or so, the President who wants to offer us some kind of protection with sensible gun laws, is called an evil dictator. Can’t have it both ways. I’m personally more fearful of home grown nuts, but not enough to cower in fear about living life. Syrians are human being fleeing horrendous violence. We should take a chance on them or STOP calling ourselves a Christian nation.

        1. itsfun November 19, 2015

          According to our President we are not a Christian nation. France has very strict gun control laws, hows that working for them against terrorists? If you want to take a chance to give ISIS more people in our country, then you should purchase a gun for your own protection.

          1. latebloomingrandma November 19, 2015

            I should have known you wouldn’t “get” what I was trying to say.

          2. itsfun November 19, 2015

            You said we should take a chance or stop calling ourselves a Christian nation. I just pointed out to you that Obama said we are NOT a Christian nation. Also pointed out that strict gun control doesn’t work. What didn’t I “get”?

          3. BillP November 19, 2015

            Their gun control laws work pretty good for the French. Aside from this despicable, cowardly attack France has had 1 mass shooting that resulted in 9 dead and 19 wounded. This was for a period from 2001 through 2014. During that same time frame the US has had 133 mass shootings that resulted in 487 dead and 505 wounded. Shootings in 2105 only add to that ridiculous number. I have seen the comment “France has very strict gun control laws, hows that working for them against terrorists?” Mass shootings in 10 other developed countries totaled 23 that’s slightly less than 1/6 of the mass shootings that took place in this country. Stop preaching the fallacy that buying a gun is good for your own protection.

          4. itsfun November 19, 2015

            Owning a gun is good for my own protection.

          5. BillP November 20, 2015

            The two up votes you got are from some people who aren’t very tolerant of disagreeing opinions. David told me to move to France, so much for the 1st amendment. I don’t dislike guns, I just don’t feel I need to own one. They may be good for your protection but there have been a number of reported instances where they weren’t

          6. itsfun November 20, 2015

            I will only speak for myself. Owning or not owning a gun is completely a individual choice. I do own guns and will continue to own them. You are correct when you say a number of reported instances where they weren’t good for self protection. I have both military training and civilian training on the care and use of guns for self defense. I firmly believe every gun owner should have training. I believe in free speech and will continue to defend it. Its okay for us to disagree on issues. That is one way that sound solutions to problems can be made.

          7. BillP November 23, 2015

            I agree resorting to name calling accomplishes nothing. I get angered when some one tells me to leave the country when I write something they disagree with, not very tolerant.

          8. itsfun November 23, 2015

            Yepper: You wouldn’t believe some of the names I am called. Some people are so nasty, that I just delete their response to me as soon as I see their id. I just completely ignore them. I am on both liberal and conservative sites like this one. Name calling is not limited to just one side. I have seen some of the meanest and actually filthy name calling on both sides. The lack of tolerance on both sides may be a big part of the reason our Congress cannot agree on almost everything.

          9. BillP November 23, 2015

            Couldn’t agree more. Calling someone a name isn’t a response to a comment and you know you’ve won the argument when that is all they do. That goes for both sides.

          10. David November 20, 2015

            Move to France then. The US is like 105 on the list of countries based on homicide by firearm rate. Research it and welcome to reality.

          11. BillP November 20, 2015

            The list I saw was of the top 11 developed countries that included Russia, China, Germany, France and others. Out of those 11 developed countries the US was #1 in mass shootings and the US total was about 6 times the number of the total of the 10 other countries combined. Research it and welcome to reality, yourself. As for leaving this country that would up to me not a troll like you who would love to rest my 1s amendment right to freedom of speech. I was born here, educated here, served in the military here, married and raised children here, work and pay taxes here. I will remain in this country as long as I want to and you or any other troll who doesn’t like can gfy!

          12. David November 20, 2015

            As a percentage of the population, we are like 105 on the list. As for leaving this country, I am a combat veteran of the USAF and fought for ALL of the Constitution, including the 2nd Amendment. You don’t like it? Haul a…!

          13. BillP November 23, 2015

            Wow 105 of out how many countries? The # of homicides by firearm rate per 100k population shows a different picture than you are trying to portray – US rate is 2.97 that puts the US above such countries as Columbia, Jamaica, Ecuador, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and other lesser developed countries. The US ranks below Australia. Austria, Belgium, Chile, Egypt, England, Germany, Greece, Israel, I can go on and on with the more developed countries that have much lower homicide rates than the US. I served in the military too so you can take faux toughness and stick it. I was born here, work and pay taxes here and I will stay here. You are of a few trolls who like to people to get out f this country, well it’s “OUR” country not just you trolls.

          14. David November 24, 2015

            Grow a pair!

          15. BillP November 25, 2015

            Oh I’m crushed, how do I ever reply to your so profound and deeply intelligent response. Woe is me, the tough guy told me to grow a pair. Alas what am I to do? You are just another typical faux tough guy who can’t argue with the facts so you resort to some juvenile words. For claiming to be a combat veteran in the USAF (what did you do, maintenance work?) you come across as a somewhat infantile person. I’m still staying in the US.

          16. David November 25, 2015

            Too bad…

          17. BillP November 27, 2015

            Not really!

        2. paulyz November 20, 2015

          Multiple gun laws did nothing to stop these nuts, just kept decent people from defending themselves. When Millions of Muslims continue to enter, we will cease to become a Christian country, just another country with religious wars instead of freedom. Just like the entire Middle East, & growing in Europe. Nice, huh?

          1. pattreid November 27, 2015

            Wow, you really are paranoid.
            Inconsistent gun laws from state to state are useless. The laws must be universal or they’re a joke. All that does is create a business opportunity for gun runners.

          2. paulyz November 30, 2015

            There ARE many Federal gun laws, but States according to OUR Constitution, have much authority, granting the Federal Government only what they permitted.

      3. latebloomingrandma November 19, 2015

        The pictures I have seen were families, with parents, small children, and grandparents. Probably that “nuclear normal family” the right is always talking about and lamenting that it’s disappearing in our country. Nobody had horns on their heads and it didn’t look like anyone was packing heat.

        1. itsfun November 19, 2015

          Who knows what they are packing under their clothes.

          1. BillP November 19, 2015

            From the words of the great philosophers Buffalo Springfield “Paranoia strikes deep
            Into your life it will creep
            It starts when you’re always afraid
            You step out of line, the man come and take you away”

          2. itsfun November 19, 2015

            I believe being cautious will keep the man from coming and taking you away.

          3. BillP November 20, 2015

            Nothing wrong with being cautious, your comment about packing under their clothes sounds paranoid. How would they get things like guns through the screening process?

          4. paulyz November 20, 2015

            I believe they use sharp knives to behead you.

          5. itsfun November 20, 2015

            I don’t have a lot of faith in the screening process. I guess they wouldn’t need to carry anyway, because the black market will get what they want.

          6. BillP November 23, 2015

            Not just the black market, any gun show can sell a gun to anyone even those on the no-fly list in this country. More problematic is the visa granting process that allows 20 million people to enter this country.

          7. pattreid November 27, 2015

            Finally, someone who reads and listens to real news. A breath of fresh air.

          8. BillP November 27, 2015

            Thanks but the trolls will say that I’m referencing the “lame stream media” and not Faux News. It’s fun and I disagree but do it in a civil manner others have called me various names.

          9. pattreid November 27, 2015

            No black market needed. We provide guns to anyone who has the money. No screening process for that. No ID needed, no registration or licensing, no training in safe usage & storage. Hell, we even give guns to rebels in the M.E. and then are shock when they turn around and kill us with them. War is good business, especially for the weapons industry.

          10. itsfun November 27, 2015

            No no no. In my state, when legally purchasing a gun, Id is required, registration is required at your local police department, and state police receive a copy of the purchase. If gun isn’t properly registered you will receive a visit from the state police. A license is required to carry concealed and to get that license, a training class must be completed. I know this is right, because I had to pass class and register gun to get my concealed license.

          11. pattreid November 27, 2015

            IF you buy in a gun store, or you could just cross the state line and find a different set of rules. And, you can simply violate the law and conceal carry if you want, as long as you don’t get caught. But, if the laws in your state were the laws in every state, we would not have to have this conversation, now would we? I rest my case.

          12. itsfun November 27, 2015

            What case?

          13. pattreid November 27, 2015

            “Cautious” would be keeping weapons out of the hands of juveniles, mentally disturbed, spousal abusers, rapists, criminals and other unfit persons. But you won’t do that “cautious”, will you.

          14. itsfun November 27, 2015

            But you would allow another 9/11, another Boston Marathon, another Paris?

          15. pattreid November 28, 2015

            Well, are you willing to allow another Sandy Hook, movie theater, church or shopping mall mass murders? Take care of your homegrown problems, or keeping Syrians out of the country won’t matter one iota.

          16. itsfun November 28, 2015

            Sure; I would just love another sandy hook, movie theater or church mass murders. Do you have any more dumb ass questions?

          17. paulyz November 19, 2015

            Sounds like drug infested philosophy to me.

          18. BillP November 20, 2015

            That’s a very simplistic reply but then it’s from a very simple minded person.

            What a field-day for the heat
            A thousand people in the street
            Singing songs and carrying signs
            Mostly say, hooray for our side

          19. paulyz November 20, 2015

            A simple slogan describing what your Partys Socialist policies caused. John Lennon said to count him out.

          20. BillP November 23, 2015

            I believe you are not portraying John Lennon correctly. A direct quote of his is attached below.

          21. paulyz November 30, 2015

            So you need to be sneakier, don’t dress like Chairman Mao, but too kate, under Obama you leftists have shown your colors much quicker, didn’t want to do it gradually any more. Why Americans are so disgusted.

          22. BillP December 1, 2015

            You need to read your comments before posting “don’t dress like Chairman Mao, but too kate, under Obama you leftists have shown your colors much quicker, didn’t want to do it gradually any more.” What does too kate mean? Also “didn’t want to do it gradually any more” the correct word in this case is don’t. You certainly don’t speak for even a small amount of Americans. Not sure how your Chairman Mao reference since he didn’t profess non-violence like John Lennon did in the above quote. Then again you often write in a very confused manner.

          23. paulyz December 5, 2015

            Just this tablet changing words automatically sometimes, & posting before it freezes up. But the point is, in order to fool, or trick Americans into accepting Socialism, it used to be done gradually, with Obama, he doesn’t have the patience, which is why most Americans are turned off.

          24. BillP December 5, 2015

            The point is that you too lazy to proof read your idiotic comments before you post them. Too late Americans have already accepted elements of Socialism – subsidies to the agriculture industry, Social Security, Medicare, tax write-offs to the major Oil Companies, etc.

          25. paulyz December 5, 2015

            And we are realizing the failures of those Socialist programs aren’t we? S.S., Medicare going bankrupt after the government made these programs look like Christmas. Now Obamacare is sinking fast as well. Big difference between helping others to get back on their feet than lifelong dependency, but hey, that’s the only way the Democrat-Socialist Party can get votes.

          26. BillP December 7, 2015

            You need to offer proof on your inane statement about Medicare. Per the Center on Budget & Policy Priorities “The 2015 report of Medicare’s trustees finds that Medicare’s Hospital Insurance (HI) trust fund will remain solvent — that is, able to pay 100 percent of the costs of the hospital insurance coverage that Medicare provides — through 2030. Even in 2030, when the HI trust fund is projected for exhaustion, incoming payroll taxes and other revenue will still be sufficient to pay 86 percent of Medicare hospital insurance costs.[1]

            The 2030 date does not apply to Medicare coverage for physician and outpatient costs or to the Medicare prescription drug benefit; these parts of Medicare do not face insolvency and cannot run short of funds. These parts of Medicare are financed through the program’s Supplementary Medical Insurance (SMI) trust fund, which consists of two separate accounts — one for Medicare Part B, which pays for physician and other outpatient health services, and one for Part D, which pays for outpatient prescription drugs. Premiums for Part B and Part D are set each year at levels that cover about 25 percent of costs; general revenues pay the remaining 75 percent of costs.[2]”
            You didn’t mention the Corporate Socialism that still occurs, subsidies to the Agriculture business, huge tax write-offs to the major Oil Companies? I guess they are okay with you.

          27. paulyz December 7, 2015

            Yup, those years are not far off, the funds are not in some lockbox, but used for other deficit spending. The age to receive YOUR own money has been raised, will be raised again, while the amount of benefits decline as well. This, even after Reagan fixed it, but the money is still being taken. Plus, YOUR own money & benefits that you never receive upon death, do NOT go to your heirs, but to the Government. Real nice deal huh?

          28. BillP December 8, 2015

            You have a really warped understanding of Social Security. The age limit has not been increased, here dimwit this is directly from SS website “An insured worker becomes eligible for retirement benefits when he or she reaches age 62” The benefits you will collect depends on how much you and the company you worked for have paid into SS, the next criteria is the age you choose to start collecting. If you start at 62yo you will receive less than if you do so at 66yo or 70yo. Again you should do some research before you write such drivel as your last comment Here is the facts right from the SS site “In the case of a person retiring at exactly age 62 in 2016, the benefit will be 25 percent less than the person’s PIA (full retirement age or 66yo). Benefits can be higher than the PIA if one retires after the normal retirement age (old then 66yo). The credit given for delayed retirement will gradually reach 8 percent per year for those born after 1942.”
            Unless you die within 10 years after you start collecting SS you will have exhausted the amount you paid into to SS. After 15 years you would have exhausted the amount the company you worked for paid into SS. People living into their 80’s & 90’s are collecting much more than they paid into SS. If nothing is done to resolve the SS issue it will “still” pay out 75% or more of the benefits. SS is like annuity you pay an amount of money up front then get paid a monthly amount until you die. Yes the amount in the SS fund for those who die in a few years or less after collecting goes back into the pool. There are 18.5 million people 75yo & older (the vast majority collecting SS) who have or will soon exhaust the amount they paid into SS, so the money that was not collected by those who died early on is used to assist in the benefit payments these people collect. Yes it’s a great deal more. If you want benefits that pay out at death buy a life insurance policy. SS pays you while you are alive, life insurance pays your heirs upon death. I don’t know where you get your SS info or if you can’t interpret the written word but you need to read data from the SS site.

          29. pattreid November 27, 2015

            Paranoia strikes again.

          30. itsfun November 27, 2015

            Paris, 9/11 the Boston Marathon.

          31. pattreid November 28, 2015

            If you given them the guns, they will come. Except for 9/11, all were home grown terrorists, solicited by ISIS in their home lands. And even 9/11 was done by Saudi’s, GW’s good buddy’s son. Saudi’s are not even on our watch lists. One word: OIL. For that, we’ll subject ourselves to anything, even self-annhilation.

          32. itsfun November 28, 2015

            typical loony response. Try to find a way to blame those that didn’t attack and murder our citizens.

        2. Dominick Vila November 19, 2015

          Well said. Unfortunately that does not impress those who long for a return to the Immigration and Naturalization law of 1795, which leaves non-whites out of the picture. Alas, the Lord himself would not be able to get an entry visa if He resurrects, and the TP has anything to say about it.

          1. pattreid November 27, 2015

            The TP and other righties only use the Lord himself as a prop to justify doing evil things against non-whites, forgetting that he was not white either. Hell, I grew up in a Presbyterian church that a picture that showed Jesus as a blue-eyed blond!

          2. Dominick Vila November 27, 2015

            There are many depictions of Jesus as a blond, blue eyed, blue eyed Messiah by European Masters. They were made for the same reason those pictures are displayed in Christian churches today. They had to appeal to the pagans then, they do it now to avoid seeing racist devotees switch to either Mickey mouse or the Almighty dollar.

      4. Dominick Vila November 19, 2015

        I guess we watched different news channels. I watch European channels almost daily, and what I see are masses of people, men, women, and children escaping the brutality of ISIS, and migrating, mostly, to Northern European countries.
        Why don’t the men abandon their wives and children to fight ISIS/ Perhaps for the same reason we reject refugees. That is, fear of foreigners, and anything that appears to be a threat to our well being. Their top priority is, clearly, their families. Imagine that.
        As for President Obama not keeping us safe, don’t forget that no massive terrorist attacks have taken place in the USA since W was in office.
        Offering to accept a tiny number of the refugees that are migrating to Europe does not mean Obama is compromising our security, any more than the claim that Obama facilitated the Ebola pandemic that killed an African immigrant in Texas did.
        There is no evidence to even suggest that the Middle Eastern, North African, and Sub-Saharan refugees migrating to Europe are terrorists.

        1. itsfun November 19, 2015

          You have a lot of faith in people that have been at war for over 2000 years and will still be in another 2000 years. They may just want to move their wars here.

          1. Dominick Vila November 19, 2015

            That part of the world has been in a state of constant turmoil for over 2,000 years. that does not mean that rational people can’t think and decide what is best for them and their families. Is it possible that a criminal could be among the refugees? I would say that probability is as likely as the fact that there are are criminals in every segment of our society, in every city, in every town, in every neighborhood. The fact that there are criminals in this world does not mean we should not care for our fellow man, and help those in need. Isn’t that what a Middle Eastern man, venerated by millions, said two millennia ago?

          2. itsfun November 19, 2015

            I just see a huge difference between a criminal and a terrorist. I think we do need to pulse on bringing more people here until we can be sure they are completely checked out. I don’t think we can take the chance of bringing in more terrorist to our country. We need to take the threats from ISIS as serious. We don’t want another 9/11 or worse.

          3. Dominick Vila November 19, 2015

            No, we don’t want another 9/11, and I am delighted to see the reaction of President Obama and his administration to the potential threat of terrorism in the USA. While imperfect, our security and law enforcement agencies are very capable, and they will do whatever it takes to keep us as safe as is humanly possible.
            My concern has nothing to do with increased security, more vigilance, and greater scrutiny. My concern is over the paranoia that is clouding the judgment of millions of fellow Americans, the allegations that victims of terrorism escaping to freedom are themselves terrorists, and expulsions such as the one that took place in Indiana where a Syrian couple with a baby were expelled because of the ongoing hysteria. Never mind that they were vetted for 3 years, and that they had not engaged in any suspicious activities since they settled in the USA. Those consumed by fear could not sleep knowing that a Syrian family was in their state. Luckily, Connecticut gave them asylum. I guess there is still hope that common sense may prevail, and that cowardice may be relegated to the confines it belongs in.

          4. pattreid November 26, 2015

            It already takes 18-24 months to vet a refugee, while they’re held in camps, and investigated by a half-dozen US agencies. Meanwhile, ISIS solicits supporters in other countries via the internet. No physical presence needed. And much quicker than waiting in a camp for 18-24 months. And, yes, we have had American youth travel to train with ISIS and Al Qaeda already, AMERICANS…. get it?

          5. itsfun November 26, 2015

            I get that the 10000 Obama wants will not go through a 18 to 24 month investigation. I get the FBI says we don’t have the resources to process 10000 refugees by 2016. I get people were murdered in Paris and the leader was a refugee. I get a high percentage of these people are young men, that should be fighting for their country instead of coming here to hide until our young men and women go their country to die, so they can return.

          6. pattreid November 26, 2015

            And where do you “get” that from? And,sorry to crush your argument, but 2016 is only 1 month and a week away. So no, not a one of them will be here by then. and the leader was not a refugee, he was a French citizen. Maybe you should change the channel you’re listening to and get some real information.

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/17/were-syrian-refugees-involved-in-the-paris-attacks-what-we-know-and-dont-know/

            The Syrian passport was a fake. Well, duh.

          7. itsfun November 26, 2015

            You haven’t crushed anything. Did I say anything about January 1. Last I looked there are 12 months in a year.

          8. pattreid November 27, 2015

            But the process is 18-24 months. That takes us well past 2016, no matter how you try to skew your math. And by that time, the Syrian mess could be straightened out well enough for them to go home, assuming Putin joins the other 30-some countries in quelling the problems. And, as of this morning, it looks as if he’s seeing the light.

          9. itsfun November 27, 2015

            Syrian refugees have already been placed in some states. According to you, then these Syrians have been investigated for 18 – 24 months. The way Obama does things the only way Syria will be straightened out is by our young men and women being killed, unless he draws another red line or goes to another weather summit.

          10. pattreid November 27, 2015

            I will not argue that zero Syrian refugees have been place in America. That war and the refugee situation has been going on a long time. Now, come back and tell me when the process began for those now here, documentation of your facts is required. And then prove (w/documentation of course) how many are terrorists. I’ll wait.

          11. itsfun November 27, 2015

            I doubt if the terrorist will identify their selves before they murder anyone. The terrorist who killed and maimed at the Boston Marathon are sons of refugees.

          12. pattreid November 28, 2015

            Pssst: Obama has a plan, and it does not include inflaming local America citizens of Muslim faith. And, your macho hero Putin just signed on to the Obama plan. Pay attention.

          13. itsfun November 28, 2015

            Obama has a plan to turn America into a third world country. He apologizes for American success, He bows to leaders of other countries. He claims we are a racist country, even though a black man was elected to be President. He jumps to conclusions every time a person of color is killed by law enforcement. He would rather worry about the weather then the murderous terrorists that want to kill all infidels.

          14. David November 20, 2015

            Wake up! Criminal v. terrorist. You can bet that there are more ISIS scum coming in every day. But, we have to remember that Obomo said he would change America.

          15. Dominick Vila November 20, 2015

            Are you suggesting that terrorists are not criminals? That they don’t conduct heinous crimes? Or that the victims of criminal acts don’t feel terror when they are attacked? The line that separates a terrorist from a criminal is so thin it is almost invisible.

          16. David November 20, 2015

            Sorry Dominick, you are mistaken. There is a big difference between a criminal and a terrorist. A criminal is motivated by their own wants and desires. That could be to rob or hurt another. A terrorist is acting to promote some political view or position. I am sure that a victim of a crime feels terror. But, that is not the defining element of the two words.

          17. pattreid November 26, 2015

            What’s the line that divides criminals from terrorists? Skin color and/or religious persuasion. For example, OUR mass murders are just confused white boys, whereas blacks in America who kill are “typical” and evil, but Muslims who do mass murder are terrorists. Get it now? Clear enough?

          18. Dominick Vila November 26, 2015

            You are preaching to the choir.

          19. pattreid November 26, 2015

            What a lovely Christian man you are! Hating on the President we’ve elected twice, conflating refugees fleeing death and oppression with ISIS. BTW ISIS is what they’re fleeing from, in addition to a terrorist dictator. Well, vote Trump, he’ll just register and track anyone who’s not white and christian (hmmmm, wonder when he last went to church???). Well, he is of German decent, I believe. And he’s never married an American woman, only ‘furriners’, being therefore an “anchor-husband”. So, yeah, there’s your guy. He’ll change America too.

          20. David November 26, 2015

            I will vote for Trump!

      5. pattreid November 26, 2015

        So all young healthy men are defacto terrorists? No chance in hell that they love their families and want them to be free from terror?

        In this holiday season, let me remind you that Joseph and Mary were refugees and were fleeing violence, thus the birth of Jesus in a barn. Very merry christmas to you.

        1. itsfun November 26, 2015

          It only takes 1 of the “refugees” to start a new cell and murder innocent men, women, boys, girls, babies. In these times we must put American lives first in line.

    2. @HawaiianTater November 19, 2015

      I’m unclear as to how being consistently awful is in any way positive.

    3. David November 20, 2015

      And people like you want to make us another third world country.

      1. pattreid November 26, 2015

        No, that would be Trump, who has promised on many occasions that he will not raise wages in America, but will instead suppress them so we can compete with China. To those who may need an interpretation: compete with 3rd world countries by becoming a 3rd world country.

        Actually, in recent days, some on the right, some in the GOP, are now calling Trump what we have been saying about him from the start: Fascist.

  4. rednekokie November 19, 2015

    I am now totally convinced that there is not a single Republican state governor who has an ounce of the milk of human kindness flowing in their veins.
    Not only that, but they are totally ignorant of the content of the constitution of the U. S., as well as most of the laws that govern this land.
    In addition, none of them is qualified for any public position — much less governor.
    The same may be said for most legislators who belong to the Republican party.
    I am ashamed that I was once a Republican — but then, only because my father was, and I was raised in such a family. He would never recognize the cruel mess of slime that it has become, were he still alive.

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    1. joe schmo November 19, 2015

      Kindness has nothing to do with it. They are trying to protect their people. The REAL citizens of America. Something you don’t seem to understand. If you want to live in a communist/anti-colonial global minded state move to CA, NY, VT, ME. You are being fed bullsh*t ‘person of the world’ by your media. If you want to cohabitate with the devil, move to Europe so you can feel the fear. At this moment in time it is way too dangerous to bring these people in. Especially if we don’t know who they are. Safe zones in the ME makes more sense.

      Ignorance is bliss. Seems you people don’t go beyond your walls. The Constitution seems to be interpreted many different ways. First and foremost, this world has changed. Our forefathers were for the people of this country first, Not the migrants and when people immigrated here in the not too distant past they had to go through proper channels. It was a much much different world 50 years ago.

      Most likely you were a moderate Republican. My father immigrated LEGALLY to this country. He became a Republican because he believes in capitalism and loathes communism which he escaped from. He says, this modern America is becoming more and more like the old communist Europe. I feel the same since I visited communist Europe as a child. I remember when the wall came down and my Aunt (most of my family still resides in EU) stated that all the Turks were coming in. They certainly WERE NOT happy about it then. Now look at the mess and chaos. No thanks, I don’t want that crap here. No thank you very much.

      1. pattreid December 5, 2015

        Well aren’t you just brimming with christian love for your fellow mankind! No one here is suggesting America become communist, save that rant for the proper discussion. Besides which, communism is virtually dead. Try to get into the 21st century.

        And you might want to change the channel your watching or listening to, because Europe is not cringing in fear. The Europeans I know are living their lives. Same old walking in the streets, eating in the bistros, drinking some fine wine.

        Every one of us who is in America who is not a Native American came here via immigration. Some thru legal-jump-thru-the-hoops efforts, some as refugees who were fleeing oppression or certain death by war or starvation, and some were fence-jumpers looking for a better or safer life. We all have a story to tell about our past. Sorry yours is so bridled with anger, resentment and hatred. It’s clear that you don’t want anyone to have the refuge you father found. Pity.
        America welcomed refugees from Cuba not so long ago, but even then there were hysterical folk like you who predicted doom and screamed for the same Nationalism that we see brewing on the horizon today. Short memories have forgotten the lessons from WW2: Nationalism breeds and feeds fascism. True, it’s only one symptom of fascism, but nonetheless. The world today is in high danger not from communism but from conservative extremism. ISIS is a radically conservative cult. They are not communists, they are not liberals, they are not progressives. Actually, they aren’t really Muslims either. Ask a true Muslim, who is shamed and in horror over that is being done in the name of Allah, and ask them about the fear they now feel living in America with the rampant Islamophobia. Well, I don’t expect you’d be talking to any true Muslims, there’s no room in your life for Muslims, you’re too afraid. So, I’ll just ask you, are you ever unhappy when someone does something that reflects badly on your faith? Do you hate being painted with the same brush as, for example, someone who murders doctors or conducts terror in a PP clinic? Is it reasonable, is it fair to say that all Christians should be registered and watched because they might do a terror attack on a health clinic? Or shoot up a black church because blacks are “raping our women”? Are you that sort of Christian or do you expect people to treat you as the person you are?

  5. paulyz November 19, 2015

    The Left & Obama using our American values sound bite is disgusting. American values always were Freedom & Liberty, for American Citizens. By not vetting Muslim refugees which according to all of our Security Agencies is nearly impossible, allowing them in goes AGAINST our values, because terrorists entering our Country will threaten our Freedom & Liberty.

    Already one of the Paris terrorists snuck in posing as a refugee. 5 Syrian men with stolen passports were arrested in Honduras, on their way to the U.S. There were 8 ISIS terrorists hiding among refugees in Turkey. Our State Dept. & FBI reported up to 1,000 ISIS terrorists already in the U.S.

    For Obama to ignore these warnings from all of our Security Departments is completely irresponsible. For him to state he will veto a pause in allowing unvetted refugees in, is the height of unrepresentation. This bill that will ensure American security is supported by both Partis & Large majorities of American Citizens.

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker November 19, 2015

      No PaulyZ…Your Conservative attempts to convert all of us to your version of Christianity is BS. If you are such a rabid Christian, do tell us what the Corporal and Spiritual works of mercy demand you do as a Christian..Come on..tell us..I’m calling your Christian bluff…let’s hear them.

      1. janis mcdonald November 19, 2015

        This has nothing to do with being a Christian, democrat or republican: Isn’t it also an American value that we, the people, have a right to say what we want? Polls indicate that a majority don’t want our country to welcome these refugees from ISIS’ home country, Syria. I understand that polls can be skewed — but what really gets under my skin is a President who stands there and basically says to “the people” — It’s not up to you, it’s up to me!

        1. pattreid November 19, 2015

          It’s not up to the President, it’s up to our traditions as Americans. Kinda ironic that it was the French who gave us our Lady of the Harbor:
          Give me your tired, your poor,
          Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
          The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
          Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
          I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
          I am ashamed of Americans like you, so self-absorbed, such willing lemmings following the Pied Pipers of hate and fear. The willing subject of terrorism.

          1. Eleanore Whitaker November 19, 2015

            It shouldn’t surprise anyone that those from the states who can’t wait for this to escalate into WW3 are also the states who will never suffer an attack as we all did on 9/11. The next time a terrorist takes out the Alamo, let me know.

          2. janis mcdonald November 19, 2015

            If you’ve ever visited the Statue of Liberty, specifically the Hall of Tears, you know that many, many, many were turned away — for illness, for a variety of real or imagined reasons. At one point, when the Irish were coming thru at 15,000 a week, they were immediately hoodwinkied into becoming citizens and found themselves going directly to Tennessee to fight the civil war. We have a history of taking in only the ones we want!

          3. paulyz November 19, 2015

            We are not taking in the people American Citizens want, but the ILLEGALS that Obama &the Democrat Party want for higher numbers of government dependent Democrats, & also some bought off politicians that want cheap labor for their lobbyists. Actually we are not taking in people that most Americans want, low-skilked, 3rd. World people that won’t assimilate.

          4. pattreid November 26, 2015

            That’s what was said about the Irish during the potato famine, and Jews were turned away as the fled the Nazi’s. As I lived in NY, I’m also well aware of the UNwelcoming of Puerto Ricans, which drove many of their youth into gangs… and they ARE Americans. And then the imprisoning of Japanese AMERICANs after Pear Harbor. Nope, there’s nothing new to see here. America hating on the enemy du jour. Salivating like Pavov’s dogs on command.

            The Syrians did not do the Paris attacks. Everyone of those attackers was a French or Belgium citizen. Our 9/11 was done by Saudis, w/whom GW held hands as he escorted his Saudi friends out of America after the towers fell. Afghanistan was attacked only because the Saudi Osama binLaden was there. So, the only legitimate ‘fear’ is that OTHERS might slip in with the Syria refugees, maybe even some of our own youth who ran into the arms of ISIS in past years. But, given that it takes a refugee 18-24 months to get thru the current US process (which you think is inadequate, I’m sure), it seems to thinking people that ISIS will achieve it’s goal of attacking America much more quickly by simply radicalizing our own disenfranchised youth. And since America loves to arm our disenfranchised youth as well as criminals, wife beaters, white supremacists, & certifiably insane, why would jihadists wait in a holding position for 18-24 months? Use your head, we’re more at risk with our own than ISIS.

            It’s likewise sad that in this land of the free, people who hold views to the left of your own are somehow unAmerican, or are usurping your christian values for false reasons. Tell me, if you’re raising a child and they stray, is it wrong to point out their on the wrong path? Is it that you don’t love them to say, “hey, this is not right, this is not how I raised you”? We, on the left, are just a American as you are, we have the same right to love our country and have a say in how she’s run. That’s what freedom is all about. I’m sorry you’ve bought the lie that wanting others to have a decent life is somehow wrong and communistic. To me, keeping worker’s wages suppressed, forcing them to work 60-80 hours a week and still not being able to put food on the table, that’s evil and unAmerican. Stealing from SS and Medicare we’ve paid into our whole life to spend the money on wars, then try to cheat seniors out of the money, that is evil. Sending our young people off to the killing fields only to bring home the survivors as broken people and not care for them, that is evil. Poverty is violence.

            Sorry that calling out Christians on their unchristian behavior annoys you. So, just like we tell the ‘good’ Muslims to get control of the jihadists, maybe our ‘good’ Christians should get control of those who destroy their reputation. Call out YOUR hypocrites, call out YOUR racists and haters. How about Christians stand up for true Jesus-taught acts of benevolence? You don’t get to choose what to take from the Bible and what to leave behind. You’re a Christian or you’re not. Likewise, you don’t get to pick and choose what to follow from our Constitution and what to ignore.

            Joseph and the very pregnant Mary were refugees from tyranny and violence, hence a birth in a stable. Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas to you.

          5. paulyz November 30, 2015

            LMAO. Joseph & Mary were “refugees”? You Dummy, they went there to be REGISTERED as was the LAW. Even Jesus followed the Law, but not Illegals.

          6. pattreid December 5, 2015

            Right, registered just like happened to the Jews in Germany. Duh!

            And, no we are NOT discussing illegal alien trespassers, we are discussing refugees. You must have thought you were posting on another discussion. Pay attention.

          7. paulyz December 5, 2015

            It was just a census, Duhhh. Calm down, absolutely nothing like the Jews in Germany. What a Dummy.

          8. paulyz December 5, 2015

            We are discussing ILLEGAL ALIEN TRESPASSERS, not LEGAL Immigrants.
            Obama picks & chooses what parts of our Constitution to follow, as do Socialists.
            Joseph & Mary left to register themselves as required by Law, not refugees escaping violence. Duhhh.

          9. pattreid November 25, 2015

            And you’re proud of that? Actually, having lived in NYC for most of my adult life, and having had immigrant grandparents, I’m well acquainted with Lady Liberty, and all that surrounds her. Including Governor’s Island. I’m also well aware of Ameica’s unkindness to the ‘other’ in their mist.

            Now, you are well aware that we are a ‘republic’, and therefore not a democracy. At least, this is the justification I hear from so many cons supporting minority rule. So, don’t make ANY argument about what the citizens want, because America never was, and is not now, the least bit concerned with what the people want. We wanted social medicine (or at minimum, single-payer) and no war. The majority voted for that many times. We got zilch. We got Heritage capitalist co-opted healthcare on steroids. And, the more O resists war, the McCains and other of the country push for war.

          10. paulyz November 19, 2015

            That poem was added years later, but has nothing to do with our Laws on ILLEGAL Trespassers, just how Americans have accepted LEGAL Immigrants over the years that benefit us, not burden us. Besides, what Country isn’t a land of Immigrants in our Hemisphere?

        2. Eleanore Whitaker November 19, 2015

          Don’t call yourself a Christian in one breath and act outside of Christian values in the next. As for the President who “stands there:….” unless YOU live in the NY/NJ area, why are you worried about terrorism? Is Dallas going to be under attack? Is Atlanta? How about these other Republican states?

          YOu don’t get to tell those of us who live EVERY day of our lives with the threat of a terrorist attack that every Syrian is a Muslim you have to punish for the actions of ISIS.

          When the KKK marched in protest on the steps of the US Capital Building. did you mind that? It IS up to the president. Just as it was up to Nixon, Reagan, Bush I and II, to keep their noses out of Middle Eastern oil..they didn’t and YOU went right along with it.

          1. paulyz November 19, 2015

            Ease up on your hateful biases already. Who said I am “a rabid Christian? ” Proposing keeping the safety of Americans of ALL persuasions top priority strikes you as trying “to convert you & others to Christianity? ” Doesn’t going against the HUGE percentages of American Citizens, our Congress, & virtually all of our Security Agencies, cause you to question you blind gullibility?

        3. joe schmo November 19, 2015

          Amen, Janis….very well said:) He is a dicatator and the liberals are ‘useful idiots.’

          The term “useful idiot” is thought to have been coined by communist mass murderer Vladimir Lenin. It describes naive communist sympathizers in the West (liberals). While Lenin and the Soviets held these stupidd liberals in utter contempt, they also saw them as useful tools for dispensing propaganda.

          You will often find useful idiots (aka liberals) lounging about in a Starbucks with friends, discussing the shortcomings of America over a frappuccino. Useful idiots are a mix of urban hipsters, brainwashed college kids, busy bodies, self righteous do-gooders, silver pony-tailed hippies, (now college professors), quirky wannabe-intellectuals, hysterical females, girly-men, and Michael Moore devotees.

          Useful Idiot Liberals aren’t necessarily bad people, and in many cases, are exceptionally warm and kind hearted. Many have high IQ’s and hold advanced degrees. They can hold files full of factoids in their brains, but lack the capacity to weave them together to find a coherent pattern. Though they fancy themselves as “free thinkers”, they are actually the most authority worshipping (politically correct) and servile creatures you will ever meet. When it comes to independent critical thought, they are astonishingly stupid …..and very dangerous! Liberals are “the unwitting hand maidens of the Communists.”

    2. Paul Bass November 19, 2015

      You DO know that the head police in the EU told us that Syrian passport issue is a fake? NONE of the murderers were Syrians?
      All the murderers were French or Belgian citizens. Are we going to stop all Frenchmen at the border?

      1. paulyz November 19, 2015

        Our Representatives just voted 289 -137 Opposing allowing Syrian refugees until further vetting procedures are in place. 47 Democrats also voted for this bill. Besides them, all of our Security Agencies advised exactly the same thing. A better question is: with all of this overwhelming

      2. joe schmo November 19, 2015

        You can tell me what you want, just like it is here,ISIS recruits and it really doesn’t matter if the Muslims in EU are citizens from those designated countries or not, THEY DO NO ASSIMILATE. Most still consider themselves Muslims and part of the ME. They do not want to become a part of the citizenry that is Europe, They tend to want to change it. The crusades in reverse. It’s a very dangerous game. WE DO NOT KNOW what their intention is. It is better to be safe than sorry, don’t you think? Obviously, you don’t seem to understand that, Pauly! Safe zones is a much better idea, don’t ya think? I don’t mind keeping them home, protecting them with forces and provide food and water for the masses instead of allowing them all over the world. It will keep them contained and they cannot attempt to do any more damage. Unfortunately, social profiling is necessary, at the moment, to prevent any further actions from terrorists…..

      3. David November 20, 2015

        Are you that ignorant? French or Belgian citizens? Hmmm…that may be why they were chanting “Allah akhbar” as they murdered unarmed civilians. Can’t wait to have hundreds of thousands of them come to the US. I know that they will assimilate into our society and not try to implement sharia law. Yeah, right.

        1. Paul Bass November 20, 2015

          Obviously, you sir, are more than ignorant.

          Just because they ARE indeed French citizens, DOES NOT mean they can’t be murderous a$$holes. Being French or Belgian doesn’t mean you can’t be a jihadist murderer.

  6. Corey Mondello November 19, 2015

    Conservative Christians have always been anti-American, always will be. Prior to the Founding Fathers, they were a happy lot with their Theocracy, killing those not following their rules or from a different religion, or not the same sect or denomination as there own Christianity. Todays Conservative Christians, whatever political party they allign themselves with, desire to “Take Back America”, to a time, before America was actually America!

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker November 19, 2015

      These are neither Conservatives nor Christians. Not a single one of them does more than preach their Fire and Brimstone BS and then when you call their bluff and demand they tell you where precisely in Christian tenets of faith, we are required as Christians to “feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty…et all…” All they do is babble their rabble incoherently.

      What these nut freaks want is to create fear to such levels that the entire country is in a panic and they will be the ones taking control to restore “order”…their “brand” of “order.”

    2. joe schmo November 19, 2015

      Your avatar says it all! I have a Bible quote for you that you most likely will not read nor do you know about it:
      Matthew: 24 4-14

      In case you can’t find it:
      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024

      If you don’t have a chance to read it:
      Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You
      will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not
      alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

      9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

      You have a first amendment right. I’ll give you that much, but it’s because our Founding Fathers gave you the Christian right to do so.

      1. pattreid November 19, 2015

        Pssst: our founding fathers were not necessarily christian. You know, that bit about “no religious test”? And, frankly, neither are you by my lights. You choose from the bible that which serves your views. You skip right over the parts about loving thy neighbor, caring for the poor, judging not lest ye be judged. You are one who proudly will smear an entire faith, visiting upon them the sins of the few. A very, very unchristian thing. Shame on you.

      2. KDJ54 November 19, 2015

        So if we’re going to quote scripture, let me, the atheist, point you to the relevant Biblical injunctions :Matthew 25:35-46; Matthew 18:10; Exodus 23:2; Deuteronomy 23:7; Job 31:32; Psalms 146:9; Jeremiah 7:6

      3. BillP November 19, 2015

        The first amendment is not a Christian right, it’s an American right not subject to any specific religious belief. As for you being religious, that’s quite a bit hypocritical considering your comments on the Paris attack that didn’t have any mention of the dead or wounded only your bullshit diatribe against Liberals. You are the lowest of the phony religious twits that write comments on this site.

      4. David November 20, 2015

        Well said!

  7. Eleanore Whitaker November 19, 2015

    When you consider what a bunch of flaming bigots on steroids Republicans are, why would anyone be surprised at this?

    You know what the GOP boys and girls are up to…they don’t want Syrian refugees coming to the US and telling exactly what ISIS is doing because the GOP has the same militant, hostile, hateful, religious fanatical attitude as ISIS.

    But oh boy does the GOP EVER want World War 3…all that nice fat, juicy profits for their military industry and the beauty of yet another GOP incited war is that it makes Obama look bad..which is how these morons have spent the last 7 years. You do have to wonder why we pay them one dime in salary to do exactly what ISIS would love to do…bash hell out of our president. Doesn’t matter much were the BS comes from..the GOP or ISIS…both are one and the same.

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  8. Eleanore Whitaker November 19, 2015

    By the way, don’t be hoodwinked by some of these trolls. Some of them are paid by an online group called “TrollJackers.” This is a group that is paid to hijack threads in any way they can.

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  9. joe schmo November 19, 2015

    They’re covering America’s backside. So what’s wrong with that. Different circumstances. We don’t want the mess they have in Europe. We don’t know who the Syrian refugees are. Are they part of ISIS or are they not. Too risky. Good for them. California, the fools that they are are taking them in. I predict. CA and NY will be attacked……

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    1. pattreid November 19, 2015

      Well, joe, thanks for aiding and abetting the jihadists in their propaganda. Add this to the glowing “mastermind” label, the photos of the sun-washed face, with long black hair blowing in the wind… oh-so-sexy and macho… of the evil pos that executed the plan, and I’m sure you and the media have recruited many disenfranchised American youth. Bravo, well done. Thanks for playing.

      You, with this view, are advertising to the world that America is too incompetent to protect herself because she’s filled with cowards who are running in fear.

      Clue: the purpose of a TERRORist is to instill TERROR. ISIS is a roaring success and you are the proof.

      1. ILOVEREALAMERICA! November 22, 2015

        Typical loser

    2. Eleanore Whitaker November 19, 2015

      The only thing your right wing rhetoric covers is support for ISIS.

    3. @HawaiianTater November 19, 2015

      If there is anything that Joe Schmuck knows well, it’s the backside of America.

      1. BillP November 19, 2015

        You can still make me laugh, the polectomy I had worked!

        1. @HawaiianTater November 19, 2015

          Hi, Bill! Glad to see you have found your sense of humor! Life is way more fun when you can laugh at how stupid people are.

          1. BillP November 20, 2015

            I know, reading some of the comments on this site is often amusing but sometimes infuriating. It seems some people like the 2nd amendment more than the 1st amendment.

          2. @HawaiianTater November 20, 2015

            I’m just happy to live in a state with strict guns laws and very low levels of gun violence. That’s reason #23,951,724 why it’s awesome to live in Hawai’i.

          3. BillP November 23, 2015

            Well Hawa’i also has some beautiful scenery. Spent a few days in Honolulu and a week in Kauai, loved the North Shore of Oahu and the whole Kauai island. I spent a good deal of my life in NYC and live just outside it now, the gun laws here are not the strictest in the nation but the concealed carry regulation is strong.

  10. Bentham November 19, 2015

    Can someone who is perhaps more informed on the matter than I explain to me why it’s so important that we get our leaders to say “Radical Islam” instead of things like “Jihad,” “Terrorism,” or just “ISIS/Daesh”?

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    1. johninPCFL November 19, 2015

      Because it underpins the evangelical GOP position that Islam itself inspires the terrorists, not demented imams every bit as egotistical as Jim Jones, David Koresh, or Tony Perkins.

    2. @HawaiianTater November 19, 2015

      If Obama had been calling it radical Islam from the start, the GOP would be criticizing him for that too. It’s not about what Obama says. It’s only about criticizing Obama. If Obama came out in favor of breathing air to stay alive, the GOP would grow gills and live in the ocean just to prove him wrong.

    3. paulyz November 20, 2015

      Sort of like getting our leaders to say Illegal Aliens instead of undocumented immigrants I suppose.

  11. 'Tis Moi November 20, 2015

    Is anyone surprised that the, “yes, we have no feelings at all except for loving power & greed” GOP (headed by king of the narcissistic personality disordered, Paul Ryan), would vote to cause further human suffering? Really?

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