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Roy Moore: An Acid Test For The Self-Righteous Right

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Roy Moore: An Acid Test For The Self-Righteous Right


Whenever a politician insists too fervently on his own pious morality — and his duty to impose that particular brand of morality on everyone else — the safest prediction is that sooner or later, a scandal will emerge. For Roy Moore, the former judge now running to fill Jeff Session’s Senate seat, the new revelations about his past remained hidden for decades, while he constantly proclaimed his righteousness from a perch atop the Ten Commandments.

Now we have heard from four Alabama women who say Moore dated them when they were teenagers — in one case, a 14 year-old girl with whom he allegedly initiated sexual contact — and he was an Etowah County assistant district attorney in his thirties. The Republican Senate nominee says it’s all just a pack of lies, concocted by the “Democrat Party and The Washington Post,” which first reported the women’s allegations in a lengthy front-page investigation on Wednesday.

But the highly detailed accounts, by four women who don’t know each other, and whose recollections other sources endorsed on the record, appear more credible than his denial. Wholly apart from Moore’s extremist politics, the Post’s portrait of a lawman prowling the local mall in his spare time to meet underage girls is disturbingly creepy. Before he ascended to the Alabama bench — and before a federal court order ousted him for refusing to remove a massive Ten Commandments sculpture from Alabama’s Supreme Court building — he may have committed a felony sex offense.

Such hypocrisy has long been standard among political and religious figures, especially those “conservatives” who most emphatically declare their rectitude. The pack of Republicans who pursued Bill Clinton over his affair with the very young Monica Lewinsky were rightly outraged, if wrongly seeking to impeach him. Except, of course, that so many of them were not the purists they pretended to be. Leading the pack was Speaker Newt Gingrich, then conducting a secret affair with the committee staffer he later married, but he was far from alone in a caucus that featured every flavor of prurient sin by the dozen.

Still, what Moore stands accused of doing is considerably worse than what most of his fellow hypocrites ever did. Conducting an extramarital affair or patronizing a prostitute may offend many voters; molesting a 14 year-old girl should offend everyone.

But will it? One reason for the durable double standard on the right is a nearly automatic impulse to excuse awful conduct, particularly toward women. Gingrich was thrown out as speaker, mainly because he became an electoral liability. But Gingrich came back. So did David Vitter, the Louisiana congressman with a supposed diaper fetish and a weakness for call girls. So did Rudy Giuliani, the married Mayor who misused his police detail to ferry him to assignations outside the city. So do they all, apparently.

Roy Moore may be no exception, even though several Republican senators, including Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, have suggested he is unfit for office and should step aside in the wake of the Post report. Alabama law prevents the Republican Party from substituting another nominee so close to the election, a legal obstacle that could benefit Doug Jones, the Democratic nominee who has run surprisingly well against Moore in recent polls.

And the defiant Moore is betting that his base, the same voters who last year embraced an actively misogynist presidential candidate, will stick with him. He enjoys the support, fittingly, of extremist Steve Bannon, who exemplifies the louche culture of the Trump White House.

Moore’s loyal voters won’t be able to point to the contrived acts of contrition and renewed professions of faith that usually precede the rehabilitation of “Christian” scoundrels, who brazenly assure us that Jesus himself has forgiven them. No sooner are these politicians granted this easy grace do they return to oppressing gays and lesbians, transgender people, immigrants, or whatever scorned group currently serves as scapegoat. A free pass isn’t available except to straight white men.

The fate of a suspected pedophile Senate nominee is now an acid test of Republican morality, from the grassroots of Alabama to the highest offices on Capitol Hill. So far Republican officials in his home state are making excuses; one county chairman pledged to vote for Moore even if he did commit a sex crime against an underage girl.

So don’t bet on the uprightness of these “conservatives.” And don’t bet on Roy Moore losing.

Joe Conason

A highly experienced journalist, author and editor, Joe Conason is the editor-in-chief of The National Memo, founded in July 2011. He was formerly the executive editor of the New York Observer, where he wrote a popular political column for many years. His columns are distributed by Creators Syndicate and his reporting and writing have appeared in many publications around the world, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, The New Yorker, The New Republic, The Nation, and Harpers.

Since November 2006, he has served as editor of The Investigative Fund, a nonprofit journalism center, where he has assigned and edited dozens of award-winning articles and broadcasts. He is also the author of two New York Times bestselling books, The Hunting of the President (St. Martins Press, 2000) and Big Lies: The Right-Wing Propaganda Machine and How It Distorts the Truth (St. Martins Press, 2003).

Currently he is working on a new book about former President Bill Clinton's life and work since leaving the White House in 2001. He is a frequent guest on radio and television, including MSNBC's Morning Joe, and lives in New York City with his wife and two children.

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  1. Dapper Dan November 9, 2017

    It sure is no contest on who to vote for. A lying hypocrite who molests young girls or a former US Prosecutor. C’mon Alabama you know who the better candidate is

    1. FireBaron November 10, 2017

      They do. Their only question about Moore is why he picked such older girls than they would have.

    2. Dominick Vila November 10, 2017

      The sad truth is that, for people in the deep South, if the choice is between a pedophile and a Democrat, the pedophile will win by double digits.

      1. Dapper Dan November 10, 2017

        Oh please I have to believe there are enough good people in Alabama to say the actions of Roy Moore won’t be tolerated. We are talking about him plying minors with alcohol having inappropriate relations. Under Alabama law that’s 10 years but of course the statute of limitations has long run out. There is a strong possibility he could be decertified before Elecion Day leaving Doug Jones the default winner

        1. Sand_Cat November 10, 2017

          Hope you’re right, but I wouldn’t bet on it. I’ve known some good people from Alabama, but then the “good” people of Alabama failed to convict various KKK members and even a sheriff who pretty much openly admitted to involvement in some of the murders during the civil rights era.

          1. Dapper Dan November 10, 2017

            That is really sad. It was mentioned earlier today that if the republicans don’t repudiate Roy Moore what does the GOP Party stand for ? I’ve seen someone say better to have a pedophile in office than a Democrat. That is seriously very whack

          2. Sand_Cat November 11, 2017

            The current GOP stands for NOTHING but money and power, with some xenophobia and plenty of racism and projection of their hate and other failings on their opponents thrown in as extras.
            I suspect that Lincoln (especially) and even Barry Goldwater would no longer pass muster and be ejected if they didn’t first resign in disgust. I’m sorry to see that “liberal” – by today’s GOP standards and accusations – John McCain, despite occasional flashes of integrity, hasn’t realized that anyone with any ethics or even scruples is no longer welcome there.

          3. Dapper Dan November 11, 2017

            You know the Alt Right is off kilter when they see someone like Sen McConnell as the enemy. The very same man who refused to bring to a vote Merrick Garlands nomination for the Supreme Court. Now trump gets accolades for nominating a man not worthy to be on the highest court. Now the establishment GOP having withdrawn all financial support for Roy Moore is getting propped up by Steve Bannon of the Alt right who is not alright

          4. Sand_Cat November 12, 2017

            I forgot to include sexism and misogyny in my earlier litany, a big omission. Hopefully the various right-wing factions will destroy each other, but I doubt it.

          5. Dominick Vila November 11, 2017

            From a very selfish political perspective I would not mind it if Moore wins. If that happens, McConnell and the rest of the Republicans in Congress will be faced with the embarrassing choice of accepting or rejecting a pedophile. As a minimum, having someone like him in the Senate will prevent the GOP from preaching moral and Christian values, although some will be quick to remind everyone that the Virgin Mary was a teenager when she married Joseph…at a time when human longevity was in the 40s…

        2. Dominick Vila November 11, 2017

          We can always hope, but there are parts of the country where all you have to do is hold a Bible with one hand, and a six shooter with the other to get away with a crime…if you happen to be white. I have heard several interviews on TV, and heard people citing passages in the Bible to justify Moore’s behavior, or simply saying that they don’t care or don’t believe the accusers. These are the same people who were ready to hang Bill Clinton for having inappropriate extra marital relations with a very young 23 year old!

  2. PrecipitousDrop November 10, 2017

    Alabama voters are choosing between Doug Jones, a federal prosecutor who locked up the men who killed four young girls with a bomb, and Roy Moore, a bible-thumping bigot who molested four young girls for kicks.
    If the Republican party had any integrity at all, they’d make sure Doug Jones runs unopposed.

    1. Mama Bear November 10, 2017

      problem is most of them just don’t think he did anything wrong.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

        Mainly because to men in these parts of the US, it isn’t wrong to be a pedophile. They lack the intelligence and the maturity to keep a check on their testosterone.

  3. Dominick Vila November 10, 2017

    As an outsider, the upcoming election in Alabama offers the easiest choice anyone can make, but that is not the way evangelicals think. Don’t forget Access Hollywood. Trump’s despicable, immoral, behavior did not stop Alabamians from voting for The Donald by large numbers. Why? Because esoteric issues such as morality, a sense of humanity, and respect for others is a small price to pay when the alternative is voting for someone who promised to give them things they consider more critical than things they believe they can change or control. In Trump’s case, it was nominating a far right Supreme Court Justice, and the likelihood that he may be able to nominate another before his term is over. As for Roy Moore, a pedophile, suffice it to say that he has touched all the buttons important to every red neck in Alabama.

    1. Independent1 November 10, 2017

      Dominick, there was an interesting article in the WaPo yesterday about that supposedly high integrity, great reputation guy named Kelly who accepted the position of Chief of Staff for the most corrupt individual on the planet. Based on his actions the last month or more, in my mind, he’s got no more integrity than Trump and certainly doesn’t deserve to be held in very high esteem by anyone that’s a decent person themself:

      White House chief of staff tried to pressure acting DHS secretary to expel thousands of Hondurans, officials say

      On Monday, as the Department of Homeland Security prepared to extend the residency permits of tens of thousands of Hondurans living in the United States, White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly called acting secretary Elaine Duke to pressure her to expel them, according to current and former administration officials. Duke refused to reverse her decision and was angered by what she felt was a politically driven intrusion by Kelly and Tom Bossert, the White House homeland security adviser, who also called her about the matter, according to officials with knowledge of Monday’s events.


      Of course, Kelly like Trump is trying to whitewash what took place trying to make it look like she had called him looking for advice on making her decision which is just one more Kelly lie.

      1. Dominick Vila November 11, 2017

        I bet Duke will be replaced with a far right loyalist in the not too distant future, at which time the Honduran refugee will be expelled.

  4. bobnstuff November 10, 2017

    If you forget the underage girls and look at everything else in Mr. Moore’s life he is still unfit for office. He was thrown out of office twice. He doesn’t believe in the rule of law! I don’t know why his molesting young girls should come as a surprise to anyone, it’s just one more thing on a stack of other actions that should make him UN-electable in any state except Alabama.

    1. Dominick Vila November 10, 2017

      People in the deep South, not just Alabama, have not forgotten who signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964, ending discrimination against people of color. For them, if the choice if between a pedophile and a Democrat, the pedophile will win by a large margin every single time.

      1. bobnstuff November 10, 2017

        It’s amazing that these girls aren’t part of Moore’s family since Alabama is know to have the highest rate of incest in the country. Just molesting underage girls is no big deal there.

  5. marriea November 10, 2017

    I’m always leery of people who always hide behind the Bible as their witness.
    Moore had a ‘likeness’ of the ten commandments built and placed on the count house yards.
    I get that some people like that kind of showboating but instead of using props as a witness, I have to wonder why it’s so much harder to put those convictions into practice.
    Preachers are the worst offenders.
    There was once a preacher on Bill Maher who bent himself into a pretzel to explain why he and his congregation supported Trump.
    This is one reason I’m almost inclined to agree that churches, if they are going to become political hacks, then they should pay taxes.
    As for Moore, he is unfit for office, but so was Jeff Sessions.

  6. 1Zoe55 November 10, 2017

    The fact that Bannon chose this Moore as his candidate should tell voters all they need to know. Bannon always looks like he needs a bath (one with a wire brush and bleach), hated that his daughters would have to mix with Jewish children in their schools, and wants to destroy our government. Moore prances around the stage in front of like-minded racists, waving what is called in the South a woman’s small pistol that, again, tells you what a gutless coward Moore really is. moore’s religious beliefs do NOT belong in any government or courtroom. If this man gets elected to the Senate, America and those citizens who are opposed to this immoral behavior need to find a way to stop any federal funds going to Alabama.

    1. Mama Bear November 10, 2017

      I have a crisp new dollar bill that says the people of Alabama will vote for him …maybe close to unanimously.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

        Yes. I agree. One of those from AL interviewed last night on CNN said and I quote, “I will vote for Moore before I would EVER vote for a Democrat.”

        What these voters are saying is that a pedophile is fine and dandy. Not really much of a surprise when you consider that in the south, geezers always are on the prowl for a teen wife even when it’s a cousin or niece.

        1. pisces63 November 10, 2017

          They are used to this. Look at old movies and the leaders of the south and their other women. Too many made and how many are daddy/uncles to the children of some of them. most look inbred.

          1. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

            That inbreeding may be the reason some are so politically naive. They all seem to reject the idea that marrying too close in blood doesn’t cause mental illness. So sons marry sisters, first cousins marry each other and daddies often are hugely incestuous.

            It just cannot be that all of those famous southern writers imagined the incest they write about. Their characters are all too real, not to be inspired by what they knew or lived through.

          2. pisces63 November 10, 2017

            I wonder about Pence because this Catholic who changed to fundamentalist s me wondering why? Even his family does not get it. What has he done that fits heir mold/brand because out of all religions, I trust them the least. The love of the alt-right!!

          3. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

            I sometimes laugh at these guys when they “get religion.” They are doing a rerun of “Elmer Gantry.” Remember in that movie, Gantry was nothing but a snake oil salesman with a hooker girlfriend Lulu Baines when he went broke and was destitute. He walked into the tent of a female evangelist, Sister Sharon Falconer and began “preaching” hellfire and damnation.

            Sound familiar?

          4. pisces63 November 10, 2017

            Yes but none of them are as gorgeous as Burt Lancaster!! LOLOL!! Shirley Jones and Jean Simmons.(Loved her in Spartacus with Kirk Douglas and Tony Curtis)

          5. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

            Throughout the south and midwestern these snake oil salesman start out on the wrong path and then the first grey hair makes them “get religion.”

            Consider how many of the swaggering, drawling snake oil salesman have conned their followers: Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Jimmy Swaggart, Warren Jeffs and his Daddy who married 12 year olds girls and now we have an army of these hicks on TV like Joel Osteen who passes the plate and lives in a $2 million dollar mansion. Or should that be “tabernacle?”

          6. pisces63 November 10, 2017

            Exactly and Swaggart, called Jerry Lee Lewis his cousin, out all the time and then he was caught at the motel. Next thing you know he is crying and looking ugly on television, begging forgiveness.

          7. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

            I remember that tear jerker act too. I know this is mean but when I first saw Swaggart crying crocodile tears, I went into gales of laughter.

      2. dbtheonly November 10, 2017

        I’ll cover your buck.

        $1 Moore will not win
        Another $1 he will not get 60% of the vote even if he wins.

        If I win payable to your local homeless shelter.

        1. Mama Bear November 10, 2017

          and if I win payable to yours! Did you see the state attorney general said he was endorsing Moore anyway? The things is these people do not see anything wrong with abusing women/girls, they still think we are all their property to do with as they wish.

          1. dbtheonly November 10, 2017

            No, but I haven’t been tied to the news today.

          2. Sand_Cat November 10, 2017

            Is it really surprising that a Republican will endorse another regardless of the latter’s actions?

      3. Aaron_of_Portsmouth November 10, 2017

        I must say that since allegiance to Party is far stronger than allegiance to God among so many across the South and other “red” states, the voters will blithely overlook this egregious example of male depravity on the part of too many men in America and in the rest of the world, and vote for Roy.

        1. Mama Bear November 10, 2017

          I think it has more to do with the fact that people do not think he did anything wrong.

          1. Aaron_of_Portsmouth November 10, 2017

            That’s because fanatical partisan politics has so corrupted the rational faculties that many “Christians” are unsure anymore of what is right or acceptable anymore.

          2. Independent1 November 10, 2017

            How’s this for being way out?

            Alabama state official defends Roy Moore, citing Joseph and Mary: ‘They became parents of Jesus’

            An Alabama state official on Thursday dismissed a Washington Post report alleging that GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore had initiated a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old girl decades ago, saying there was an age gap between the biblical Joseph and Mary. The Post also alleged that Moore had pursued three others when they were between the ages of 16 and 18 and he was in his early 30s.

            “Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus,” Alabama State Auditor Jim Zeigler told The Washington Examiner. “There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual.”


            While of course Moore’s actions, if proven, are punishable by 10 years in the slammer in Alabama.

          3. Sand_Cat November 10, 2017

            No evidence exists that Mary was a teenager, nor that Joseph was an old man. The latter idea was invented by the Catholic Church in an attempt to make plausible their absurd claim that Mary was a perpetual virgin, that even the birth of “Jesus” didn’t break her hymen (talk about absurd fundamentalism), that the Bible’s statement that Joesph had no sex with Mary until after she gave birth means he never did, and that the passages about Jesus’s “brothers and sisters” actually meant his cousins. The best part is that many in Alabama hate Catholics almost as much as they hate Jews and African Americans, but they’ll “believe” anything to defend their local lunatic.

          4. Independent1 November 10, 2017

            Of course, these supposed conservative Christians have no problem fabricating what the bible says in order to justify their corrupt and unChristian comments and actions (like voting for a and supporting a corrupt and evil political candidate).

  7. Mama Bear November 10, 2017

    So we know he was and likely still is a pig. Many (not all thank goodness) are pigs and believe it is their rightful place to take whatever they way from anyone – including women and girls. Anyone surprised? Look who heads the Repub party. Pig. Look at Sessions- pig. Look as most of them and there will be pig snouts hiding somewhere inside them.

  8. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

    Don’t wonder why the Republican Party is losing more female voters. First, they try to put Hillary Clinton in prison, smearing her like some dockside harlot. Then, they go after Wendy Davis, Maxine Waters, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Elizabeth Warren.

    Why is anyone surprised that men who preach religion the loudest are the ones hiding their past “sins?”

    My ex’s grandmother, always said a man who goes around ramming religion down other people’s throats was a man who carried a “lot of sins in his back pocket.”

    Did Sheriff Moore actually think he could enter the federal government arena and his past wouldn’t be dredged up?

    And let’s stop pretending we don’t know “who” is really behind this sudden outing of Moore. It could only be someone on the inside of Alabama government who knew Moore’s penchant for young girls. Like maybe “McConMan?”

    Why would McCONMan do this now to one of his “own?” Simple. Lil ole Mitchie never thought Moore would be elected with that religious bluster.

    After all, this is how the Good Ole Boys take down anyone who threatens their “territory” and let’s face it, who would be the biggest threat to McConMan than a fellow Alabama Mutton Chop like Moore? All that Moore religious phony act and McCONman knows the Bannon swamp would replace McCONman in the Senate with the blink of an eye.

    McCONman would know all about Moore both being Alabama Good Ole boys with ties to each other in the legal system.

    1. pisces63 November 10, 2017

      NOW, I am waiting on PENCE and I wonder what the Rand Paul story actually is. HMMMM!!!!!

      1. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

        Reverend Pence is playing this cool. He stated yesterday what all of the Republicans did, “IF” the “allegations” are true, Moore should resign.

        The problem is, with Republicans they would have evidence rammed in their faces in a court of law and still call it “fake” which by the way is Moore’s defense.

        As for Rand Paul, his neighbor and he have not spoken in decades because of a disagreement about how their properties are cared for.

      2. Aaron_of_Portsmouth November 10, 2017

        All that the Unholy Wing can do is frame the issue in conditional terms—“if the charges are true…”.

    2. dpaano November 10, 2017

      And, we also can surmise that Gingrich put Lewinsky up to seducing President Clinton and causing a raucous….after all, why would ANYONE keep a dress that she wore during one of her assignations? Sounds fishy to me, and I certainly would NOT put it past Gringrich!! Money can buy anything….even someone like Lewinsky!

      1. dbtheonly November 10, 2017

        Agree that Lewinsky’s story smells. Let’s see what kind of outside evidence the Moore Accusers can produce.

        We don’t need this to vote against Moore.

        1. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

          I’d stake my bottom dollar on this being McCONman’s way of getting rid of his biggest threat in the Senate. It would take someone with a long, long record in Alabama government to know Moore’s past.

          1. dbtheonly November 10, 2017

            I’m with you completely Ms. E.

            I also recall the time they tried to slip Rachael Maddow a phony story in an effort to discredit her.

          2. Eleanore Whitaker November 11, 2017

            This is what these moron males assume…that they can always put one over on women. Intelligent men never need to play these games.

            The truth of more than half of those religious nuts Trump has put up for Trump jobs is that most are former boozers.

            Men like Moore prove that booze is a problem when they are forced to become dry drunks. Not being able to whoop it up and having to be sober all day every day makes them meanspirited, bossy, autocratic with women and children and downright obnoxious. But the worst of them is that they think if they just stick together in their Good Ole Boys club, nothing of their pasts no matter how disgusting will ever come out in the wash.

            Now really. How stupid is that? No one of us can ever escape the past. Moore is no different than Trump. Trump paid his way out of the rape of that teen in Florida, trying to make himself the victim all the way.

      2. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

        From what I’ve read, the tie to Lewinsky was really Linda Tripp and Gingrich. Linda Tripp was born in my state (NJ) but she was a winger since college and hated liberals. She worked in GHWB’s cabinet and at the Pentagon. So obviously, she had a lot of links to the FBI and CIA at her disposal.

        Still, the only reason for that entire scandal wasn’t Gingrich but The Infamous Five who had all been members of the Young Republicans Club in their college days: Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, Eric “Blackwater” Prince, Ken Starr and the later disgraced Reverend Ralph Reed, also accused of sexual molestation.

        The Infamous Five went after Bill Clinton from the minute he became a Rhodes Scholar. They got Starr to spend $12 million dollars and 12 years on Whitewater trying to make it appear Hillary killed Vince Foster, ignoring completely that years before he had made two other attempts.

        It would never have mattered that there never was any evidence against either Clinton. In the eyes of the Infamous Five, they were going to make sure Clinton paved the way for a Republican president even if they had to make up a scandal to do it.

      3. ivory69690@yahoo.com November 12, 2017

        Gingrich had his own dirty nasty life . something like DUMP 45 ‘S life maybe worse then NUKE’S G.’s life with women . the crazy thing really are the women that stay with these POS men . the thing with M. Lewinsky she knew and wanted to do all she did . YES Bill did also .

  9. CrankyToo November 10, 2017

    Q: What does Judge Roy Moore have in common with the manager of the Birmingham Walmart?

    A: Little girls underwear, half off.

    (And another Hypo-Christian bites the dust…..)

    1. Aaron_of_Portsmouth November 10, 2017

      Excellent response to this sordid business.

      1. CrankyToo November 10, 2017

        Cheers, Mate!

  10. FT66 November 10, 2017

    Whats the difference between what Antony Weiner did and Roy Moore? Why Antony Weiner was punished to go behind the bars and this man must be picked to represent people of Alabama in the Senate? This is beyond anyone’s belief.

    1. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

      In the south, men rule. In the midwest, men rule. That’s why more than half of the Republican Party comes from either of these two regions of the country. They make the laws, wield them on everyone but themselves and then infuse themselves with freedoms from right and wrong as their entitlement.

      1. dpaano November 10, 2017

        Apparently, Moore didn’t actually READ the Ten Commandments that he stuck in front of the State House…..if he had, he’d see that he went against a couple of them! Hypocrisy at its best!!

        1. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

          Mouths like Moore’s are always wide open preaching at everyone else. Their gospels are not intended for “personal use.” rofl.

        2. Aaron_of_Portsmouth November 10, 2017

          Ten Commandments? Hah! Roy doesn’t need no stinkin’ Commandments, except if they will help facilitate his personal aggrandizement goals.

        3. ivory69690@yahoo.com November 12, 2017

          ones like him use them thinking that its defending themselves not understanding if thy choose one of them the other 9 was broken bye them

      2. FT66 November 10, 2017

        By the way Antony Weiner was just only texting. And this man Roy Moore really touched the thing.

        1. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

          Here in NJ, our media claimed that Weiner got his hands on his wife’s laptop that she used exclusively to communicate with Hillary Clinton.

          Weiner already had his cell phone account closed the first time he was caught.

          This is how the Republicans totally smeared Hillary and Huma Abedin. Weiner’s wife didn’t know he stole her laptop until he got caught in an email using it and someone in Hillary’s department was able to figure out it was Weiner at it a second time. That’s how much of an addict he was.

          But, there is one thing that stick outs here that is more than obvious. When Weiner was forced to resign for the first time he photographed his “family jewels,” he got a slap on the wrist. He learned nothing from that and went right back a second time to his games. Proving that punishment for crime must be severe enough to remind these clowns what NOT to do ever again.

        2. Dominick Vila November 11, 2017

          Three big differences, Wiener is from New York, he is a registered Democrat, and was married to a lady closely tied to Hillary Clinton. All those things are synonymous to evil in the deep South.

          1. FT66 November 11, 2017

            I get it Dominick Vila. East is East, West is West, North is North and South can be more than South.

          2. Independent1 November 11, 2017

            It’s been a 150 years since the South lost the war but the descendants of those Confederate troops still hold a strong grudge against them Damn Yankees!!!

    2. pisces63 November 10, 2017

      Like lost careers for the Hollywood moguls and actors vs trump winning as president. Alabama is full of inbred idiots anyway.

  11. Eleanore Whitaker November 10, 2017

    There is something far more serious we in the Dem states now must deal with. Should we in any way contribute tax dollars to states that condone pedophilia? Sexual harassment?

    When we do that, we also condone these horrific acts.

  12. Richard Prescott November 10, 2017

    Wow, good to be back, wasn’t getting the daily emails for a bit.
    Anyway, some AL political person equated Moore’s act as similar to Joseph and Mary and then Jesus in a Washington Post article.
    Claimed that Mary was a teenager and Joseph an adult and if it was OK then there was nothing wrong now.
    This warped “religious” view is supposedly OK by those who back this guy.

    1. dbtheonly November 11, 2017


      Don’t rely on the email notices. Check the site directly when the mood strikes.

    2. Independent1 November 11, 2017

      But of course that Southerner made up the story about Joseph and Mary as nothing is said in the Bible about how old each of them was; the account only says that when Mary married Joseph before they consummated their marriage, Joseph was visited by the Holy Spirit telling him not to consummate the marriage. But does any rational person think God would have chosen a too young woman to carry His son; as this idiot Southerner is claiming? The idea is ludicrous. Clearly these Southerners are not too bright to even suggest such a thing.

      Here is what’s in the Bible that this Southerner took poetic license with to serve his misguided comments:

      From the book of Matthew:

      18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child
      of the Holy Ghost. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.

      20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

      22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

  13. Aaron_of_Portsmouth November 10, 2017

    Joe Conason must have been reading my mind as of several years ago, before he decided to write this article. The discrepancy of what southern Christians profess and their behavior 7 days a week has always been glaringly obvious as a young boy growing up in Mississippi.

    As I awoke and walked about, I began to think of dear old Roy Moore—that good old southern boy from Alabama, bless his heart—and my mind searched through its archives of memories of the Right Wing’s constant blaring these past few decades about their holiness and presumed righteousness, in the name of Jesus Christ.

    Even to the point of having the gall to refer to themselves as “The Moral Majority”. And I thought to myself that when anyone feels the need to “trump”et their intelligence, righteousness, or patriotism, then that’s a sign that they aren’t as moral as they claim, nor intelligent, righteous and high minded, or patriotic except in a selfish way.

    And to point out once again the hasty departure from wanting to be spiritual and honest about one’s supposed faith in Jesus, an Alabama official was so crass as to say the following:
    “Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus,” ‘Alabama state auditor Jim Ziegler told the Washington Examiner on Thursday.’ “.

    This sentiment is as accurate a reflection of the average GOP supporter across the South and the rest of the country as one can have. Note how so many like this person, Roy Moore, and other citizens are willing to distort the life of Jesus and Mary in order to support their real Religion—Partisan Politics.

    I could go on and on about this troubling and dominant theme of hypocrisy and the demise of Christian values in America, but I’ll save that for later. Suffice it to say that the GOP is in a state of a severe identity crisis, suffering from a profound uncertainty what their personal priorities should be regarding their basic humanity, and not able to affirm that divisive partisan politics is totally antithetical to the expectations that Religion in its essence communicates to any would-be believer.

    1. johninPCFL November 10, 2017

      And yet, when it was reported that Mohammed took a nine-year old as a wife, the reicht wing went nuts.

      Given the Sharia teaching that lying to preserve holiness is OK, that the Koran weighs above all man-made law, and the Muslim belief in the old and new testaments, it appears that Roy Moore may be a muslim.

      1. Aaron_of_Portsmouth November 10, 2017

        The report of Muhammad marrying a 9 year-old has held a morbid fascination for Christians for centuries now.
        Why? Because the detractors of Islam, and of Muhammad in particular,
        were determined to ignore the context of the times and the reason for the “marriage”. I’m saying this because as a Baha’i dedicated to both promote the reality of the Oneness of Religion and of the legitimacy of Islam as a divinely-ordained Religion. This much Baha’u’llah confirms throughout the Writings of the Baha’i Faith. Therefore, there must be more to that event than meets the eye.

        First of all, it is important to understand that the marriages were done often as a convenience to cement ties between tribes, and to offer a way for a woman or girl without a family to be protected in an environment where the cultural rules dictated that a female must have a husband, a male guardian, or male relatives, or face the certainty of being raped and/or enslaved—perhaps murdered. Child brides were common during the time. There are disagreements among Muslim historians whether the various traditions were accurate—many contradicting each other. And whether the “marriage” was consummated would require someone being in the Prophet Muhammad’s chamber to witness intercourse, Muhammad actually saying such, or A`isha confirming such.

        Either way, traditions generally are spurious, unreliable, and sometimes made up as a means of smearing an enemy, and Muhammad had plenty of enemies within the tribe of Quraish, neighboring tribes, and a grudge against Him by local Jewish and Christian tribes.

        So, rather than perpetuate this dubious tradition and misinterpretation of this “marriage”, it would be best not to keep repeating hearsay and innuendo.

  14. Aaron_of_Portsmouth November 10, 2017

    It is certainly gratifying in spite of the trauma caused by Trump, Roy, Sessions, and the GOP in general, to see them being brought down in a slow and methodical manner, to see the shroud of shame slowly covering a Party long overdue to have its grand hypocrisy exposed. And we’ve only seen the beginning act, with much more to come.

    To same that the chickens are coming home to roost is an understatement. Not only the chickens, but turkeys are arriving in droves, the skies over GOP land are dotted with vultures, attracted to the stench of a political carcass that has been rotting for decades.

    Unfortunately, we’ll have to endure the stench for some time to come, since so many of the supporters who dine on this carcass are inured to the smell and consider it “fragrant”.

    And yet, it’s refreshing in a paradoxical way that the GOP was granted its wish of political dominance. Like Putin’s desecration of Russia with his abnormal obsession with autocratic rule, America is plagued by child-like adults who are infatuated with power and dominance just as Putin is. This is a condition for cleaning house across the globe by this necessary process of decay, in order that these two icons of decadence might be razed to the ground in order for rebuilding and rebirth to occur, without stains of a decadent and depraved past remaining as constant reminders of deplorable standards now embraced by the two superpowers. And yes—China’s leadership suffers the same rot and stench.

  15. Beethoven November 10, 2017

    I have known Roy Moore for more than 35 years, and knew him when he was a young assistant district attorney. I don’t have any personal knowledge that could tell me whether the stories of these girls are true, but I do know enough about Roy Moore to say that they could be true. If they are true, then he is clearly unfit to run for office, and should be disqualified. After all, he has helped send men to prison for shoplifting and possession of small amounts of marijuana; surely sexual fondling of a 14-year-old girl should be considered much worse, and in fact under Alabama law it is considered a felony meriting up to 10 years in prison.

    But I am not opposing Roy Moore because of this (at least until there is more evidence brought out) because this is at this time just an allegation of serious sexual misconduct. I am strongly opposed to Roy Moore because of facts that have been clearly established and which cannot be questioned as to their accuracy: Roy Moore took an oath of office to support the Constitution and laws of the United States, as a young Army officer, then as a lawyer, then as a district attorney, and twice as an elected chief judge of the Alabama Supreme Court. But then he was removed from his position on the Alabama Supreme Court by the Alabama Court of the Judiciary because he refused to accept the rule of the United States Constitution, in effect claiming that if he disagreed with the U.S. Supreme Court’s official ruling, he had the right to ignore it and impose his own interpretation of what the Constitution says. His violation of his oath to support the U.S. Constitution, and his stubborn refusal to accept the established rule of law under that Constitution, should disqualify him from any elected office in any level of American government.

  16. Lynda Groom November 10, 2017

    I find it astoundingly horrible that so many of the republican leadership in Alabama have already stated that what he did, if indeed he did it, does not matter to them in the least. The idea of voting in an honorable Democrat is so freightening that they would still vote for Moore. Moore’s opponent has offered to debate, which Moore has declined. Moore’s opponent took on the KKK, which I certainly hope is considered a positive even in Alabama. Do these men have mothers, wives, sisters and daughters? If so how to they explain that it is OK to play tickle the pickle with children?

    1. Sand_Cat November 10, 2017

      Re taking on the KKK in Alabama a positive? Are you kidding?

  17. stsintl November 10, 2017

    If millions of women, with no self respect, voted to put a habitual sex offender in the Oval Office, why shouldn’t leaders of the Alabama Repugnant Party remain committed to this KKK icon? After all, he was chosen by his White Supremacist boss Steve Bannon.

  18. Sand_Cat November 10, 2017

    Republican morality?
    What is there to test?

  19. José Raymond Herrera November 10, 2017

    What’s more amusing was that another GOP Christian enthusiast made a parallel of Roy Moore flirting with adolescents with Joseph the old carpenter and Mary the young girl. Nothing more noble, right? But Moore plunged his hands under the shirt of that 14 old girl reaching for the breasts and then under the short of that girl reaching for underwear places. OMG!, Joseph was doing that to Mary?

    1. Sand_Cat November 11, 2017

      As I said below, the “old” Joseph was a Catholic invention to “explain” how Mary remained perpetually virgin, thoough it failed to explain how the birth of a child supposedly failed to break her hymen.

      1. Independent1 November 11, 2017

        And so how to the Catholics explain Jesus’ half-brother James who wrote the book of James in the bible? Do they pretend he was not Mary’s son?

        Even St. Paul new better than that as he made this comment in his letter to the Galations:

        Galatians 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother.

        And from Mark 6:3: Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses,….

        1. Sand_Cat November 11, 2017

          I can only ascribe it to the now (and probably always)-common human ability to overlook inconvenient facts. Actually, I never thought of “James” – I don’t approve of “translating” names, though I guess that’s rather Quixotic of me – as a “half-brother,” but then I guess you can tell I’m not a believer in the “virgin birth,” or much of the other dogma promoted by the churches or the scriptures, though I do have great respect for those Christians who genuinely attempt to understand and follow the reported teachings of Yeshua, a most difficult undertaking these days in view of all the many, many “Christians” who – it seems to me – resemble the plotters against him far more than they do the man himself. There are a number of sayings on this topic by various people, but Gandhi put it most succinctly: “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.”

          1. Independent1 November 11, 2017

            Well Jesus did say words similar to these: ” Broad is the way to damnation and many there be that find it; narrow is the way to eternal life and few there be that find it.” And as you point out, it’s turning out to be very few; and no one claim to have fully found the way until Jesus returns and approves with how they had lived their lives.

          2. Sand_Cat November 11, 2017

            Not all who say to me “Lord. Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven.”

          3. Independent1 November 11, 2017

            Yes, and Jesus ended that prophesy with this phrase: “but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”

            Which is what the vast majority are not willing for – to honestly try and live by the gospel that Jesus preached. The vast majority want to pick and choose only those parts of Jesus’ gospel that they feel they can live with; the parts that won’t take away too much of what they consider to be the joys of living..

            And many that will be rejected are those who belong to many of today’s misguided religions; as Jesus went on to say in Matthew 7:

            22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

            23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

          4. Sand_Cat November 12, 2017

            Just a suggestion: I just finished Shane Claiborne’s Jesus for President. Although he slides rather too quickly past the nasty stuff in the “Old Testament” for my taste, the man really seems to understand what Yeshua was getting at, and wrote another book called What If Jesus Really Meant All Those Things He said (or something to that effect). You might enjoy them if you haven’t already read them. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/669d2ca4b107cf4a393620c48b0012181fb15b35d6bd4d586e496e64c0e2b287.png

  20. Wayne Anderson November 11, 2017

    C’mon Joe!
    How can you impugn the integrity of ex-judge, ex-judge Roy Moore?
    Since he was undoubtedly “Joseph” to her “Mary,”
    it was Immaculate Pedophilia…almost leading to
    Immaculate masturbation.
    Any “patridiot” will understand!

  21. 788eddie November 13, 2017

    That silver thing in Moore’s hand in the photo? I think he should suck on it!

  22. Thoughtopsy November 16, 2017

    What a sh*tbag.

    If nothing else this will highlight the obvious fact that Republican base voters see nothing but tribe. All their moralizing and looking down of people for not being Christian enough, or not following the Constitution enough is all complete bullsh*t.

    Its all non sequiturs or mindless catchphrases just so they can pretend to be so much better than the targets. Framed by nothing. Based on nothing.

    When push comes to shove they don’t obey their own standards…. never have.
    So sh*tbag Republicans get a pass, and Democrats can’t so much as salute with a coffee cup in their hands.
    You just have to observe the current Orange Rapist in Chief to know that’s true.

    I say let Moore in. He’s in great historical company what with Trump, Hastert, Gengrich, Guliani… and I think it’s a just punishment for a voting base that is too stupid to understand their own hypocrisy.

    1. PrecipitousDrop November 16, 2017

      The RNC changed under the leadership of Reince Priebus. Limbaugh, Fox and 24-hour talk radio consolidated the base, but Reince Priebus let in and encouraged white nationalists, anti-LGBT zealots, and abortion bombers. A guy like Trump was his dream come true — proof that the strategy worked.

  23. Darsan54 November 16, 2017

    And now, we have Sen. Al Franken’s picture of 11 years ago, groping a woman on a USO tour. They calling for his resignation in order to maintain creditability for the Democratic party. Yet, I can say this is equivalent to the Moore’s underage trolling or Trump’s confessed/confirmed outright assault. I am waiting for the multiples of women to come forward.

    These issues are hard.


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