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Russia-gate Began Like Watergate — With A Break-In That Few Noticed

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  1. Dominick Vila March 4, 2017

    Excellent summary of one of the most embarrassing and unpatriotic events in U.S. history. I doubt people like Mike will be impressed with it, however. He, and most Trump supporters, want more details!!! Fear not, at the rate this is going, it may not be long before enough details emerge to justify impeachment proceedings, and incarcerations. Lock them up!

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    1. TZToronto March 4, 2017

      No lock ups are in the future. President Pence will pardon everyone. And when Pence is exposed for whatever he did, President Ryan will pardon him. There doesn’t appear to be any way out of this until 2020. (I hope the Democrats pull some trick like not allowing a Supreme Court appointment. After all, the Republicans have set a precedent, although with a Senate majority. I just hope Thomas quits before any of the sane SCOTUS members and leaves a 4-3 liberal majority on the court.)

      1. dtgraham March 4, 2017

        I agree completely except that I would go further. This is not 1973 or ’74. This is a hyper-partisan era with loyalty to party above all else, and a totally divided hyper-partisan media willing to give misleading facts and outright falsehoods to support their side. This is particularly true for the right more so than the left.

        The conservative media will have half the country fully believing that it’s a baseless witch hunt motivated entirely by electoral revenge only, and fueled by fake news. They’ll even have some of the dimmer GOP lawmakers believing that. I’ve already seen their spin meistering at work. The rest may know better but simply don’t care. Not enough anyway. Ultimately their agenda is all that matters. They are deadly serious about that agenda.

        When MSNBC is showing “Lockup” on weekends and holidays, Fox News is busy promoting the conservative agenda — even on Christmas day. They take no time off from it. There will be no impeachment of Trump under any circumstances, no matter what comes out. Even if it’s warranted.

      2. Dominick Vila March 4, 2017

        I agree. The chances of these investigations succeeding are slim to none with the GOP in full control of Congress and the White House, not to mention the SCOTUS in the not too distant future. The only hope for a major revelation involves a person of conscience coming forth and providing incontrovertible evidence to the media. Preferably to the international media.

  2. Aaron_of_Portsmouth March 4, 2017

    Rime for Trump to start packing his bags, pick up the garbage, and get his behind ready for impeachment. The evidence is mounting, the gaffes he has made, the stupidity of hiring so many to be his aides and advisors, the unsavory Cabinet picks, not to mention his embarrassing courtship of Putin and criminal elements from his past on a regular basis should be sufficient reasons for Congress to swallow the bitter pill of making asses of themselves in allowing this most despicable of humans to be placed in a position to hijack the 2016 election.
    Not only should Trump be summarily kick out of the WH, but a thorough grilling of the GOP apparatus should be made to see to what extent that body is riddled with Russian influence. It is too late to salvage a political system which Baha’u’llah had first noticed and presaged its corruption and the extent of decay in the moral fabric of America; Abdu’l Baha took up the task, among so many other responsibilities, of addressing America in general and specific audiences at Howard University and Stanford, addressing an annual gathering of the NAACP, numerous addresses at churches, synagogues, civic centers, and in private homes in NYC and environs, and with the early Baha’i community here about the dangers ahead for the country given its early stages of decadence.
    That decadence growing at a steady pace then, is now in a new phase of rot—Trump’s forebears, it must be noted, were already fully tainted by the rot and decay which Abdu’l Baha and his grandson, Shoghi Effendi, were able to intuitively discern, even though both had spent most of their lives in Palestine. Shoghi Effendi outlined in vivid detail in his Writings the unraveling of world society, its causes, and an adumbration of the new foundations needed to be laid to replace a collapsing world society in his sweeping surveys in letters addressed to the Baha’i Community of what had already begun to transpire in Europe, the Soviet Union, Asia, and in America and Africa.
    These previous 8 years plus have shown an acceleration of this collapse. Fortunately, the necessity for a remedial process had been foreseen, and is already under way to provide the infrastructure needed to replace a system already on life-support.

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    1. Mama Bear March 4, 2017

      Do you really believe it will happen? I do not think so. Somehow the Republicans are finding ways to cover his backside and prevent serious consideration of his allegiance.

      1. yabbed March 4, 2017

        Like in Nixon’s administration, someone will fear for his own best interests and squeal. It is inevitable.

        1. Eleanore Whitaker March 4, 2017

          I so agree. If the “someone” is a member of Congress, like Ryan or McConnell, Gowdy or Chaffetz or the dark shadow of one of the Koch Brothers, they will be in a big time hurry to get Trump nailed and gone.

          1. yabbed March 4, 2017

            Trump has dumped some people who thought they were in and would prosper. One to them could be the one to bring him down.

          2. Eleanore Whitaker March 4, 2017

            I hope so. My experience with the corporate types is that it comes down to “the last man standing.” With Trump, it is more likely it will be a woman who goes down. (no pun intended…lol)

            Although, if you recall, it was a woman who brought Enron down. With Madoff, it was Harry Markopolic a securities industry executive.

            In my opinion, the real reason Trump won’t disclose his tax records has more to do with how he has “kept his books” and how much money he has claimed was a “loss.” This is something I am quite familiar with as a former accounting manager. Many business owners will claim a “loss” for as many years as is allowable by the IRS.

      2. plc97477 March 4, 2017

        Repugs are not really that loyal. When it comes down to impeach or lose their own very lucrative jobs they will impeach.

  3. rednekokie March 4, 2017

    It’s all coming out in the wash. Our first Russian president is finally running out of excuses.
    Not only should he be thrown unceremoniously out of the White House, but he should be deported to Moscow — where he belongs with his comrade Putin.

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    1. idamag March 4, 2017

      They won’t want him when he is no longer useful.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker March 4, 2017

        Actually, the only reason the Republicans ever even considered Trump was because they knew he was a bombastic, nasty big mouth. What better way to keep the country distracted with a sleeper in the Presidency than to have him mouthing off in his maniacal rages? While we focus on that, the Republicans as always are in their back room plotting and scheming to be the ONLY ruling party in the country. And now that they figure out they can rig the Electoral College, it appears they have what they want.

    2. Dan S March 4, 2017

      More likely he’ll be charged with treason and sent to a federal prison for the remainder of his days. At least he’ll get a nice orange jumpsuit

      1. Sand_Cat March 4, 2017

        I know you guys mean well, but are you REALLY naive enough to believe this guy isn’t going to “serve” out at least one term? And who do we get, even if the world turned upside down and he actually did go to prison? Pence would likely pardon him if he could spare time from his crusade to punish all non-“Christians” for blasphemy and just being “liberals.”

        1. Dan S March 5, 2017

          President Ford paid the price for pardoning Nixon and Watergate is child’s play compared to what Trump is doing. I sincerely doubt a President Pence would pardon Trump and sabotage any ongoing investigation into what has transpired with Russia. I’ll grant you I’m not thrilled either at who 46 will be but the alternative to keeping a mentally unfit President in power who’s being blackmailed by Russia just won’t stand. This nation won’t survive 4 years of Trump and he must go now

          1. Sand_Cat March 5, 2017

            Good luck!

    3. Sand_Cat March 4, 2017

      We wish! Don’t hold your breath.
      Not to mention that we then get the religious fanatic Mike Pence to replace him.
      We’re screwed, friend. For at least four years – unless he blows up the world sooner – and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he’s re-elected in a stampede of idiots to the polls. How was George W Bush a two-term president? There are allegations of GOP fraud in 2004, but there had to be enough idiots to make it close for that to work (just as in 2000).

  4. Mama Bear March 4, 2017

    Just as it did to Richard Nixon, the truth will all come out and history will repeat itself. None too soon for our country.

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  5. bobnstuff March 4, 2017

    Now Trump is saying that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. He’s trying to get the media off the Russian story any way he can. This is what he does. The big question is will the Republicans in Congress throw him out, you know he will fight it all the way. Nixon was smart enough to know when to give up, Trumps not that smart.

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    1. yabbed March 4, 2017

      Ha. Don’t intelligence agencies always tap suspected traitors to this country? 🙂

    2. Eleanore Whitaker March 4, 2017

      Trump always comes up with lame ass excuses to try and make his “bad” go away. He pulled that here in NJ too when he got that FinCEN fine for allowing his Muslim High Rollers to launder money to terrorists. Mind you, He was warned by the Justice Dept. to cease and desist 3 times and ignored the warnings. So he got a fine but he also got even with NJ and taxpayers who virtually funded his hotels and casinos. He dumped his bankruptcies on the state.

      So, how does a guy in 2010 end up in bankruptcies and suddenly in 2016, have $100 million to “donate to MY campaign?” Nothing this liar says can ever be proven without a doubt in a court of law, assuming he EVER gets into a court room.

  6. yabbed March 4, 2017

    The entire Trump cabal is corrupt and incompetent and unless removed this administration will bring the USA to ruin.

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  7. Dr. Samuel Taddesse March 4, 2017

    All along President Trump had known Russia was helping him. That is why by mistake he asked Russia to hack Senator Hillary Clintons emails. He has sleazy associates in Queens, NY that are of Russian origin and former KGB agents. The investigation should also probe these associates role in buying Electoral College delegates for Donald Trump.

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  8. idamag March 4, 2017

    Vladmir Putin was head of the KGB and later the FSB. His expertise was hacking. Ever since he became the leader of Russia, Russia’s democracy has gone backward. His attacks on Ukraine and Crimea were supposedly fueled by both of those countries being oil rich. My take on Putin is he is trying to restore the USSR. Trump could no longer borrow from U.S. banks and he went to Russia. The money he got from Russia may have strings attached. The collateral he put up for the loans, might be the U.S.

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  9. FF March 4, 2017

    This story is an excellent chronology of events thus far. With the daily drip, drip, drip it appears far from over. Keep in mind, the various intelligence agencies currently investigating this mess haven’t released any of their findings yet, so there is still much more to come. I hope the public will be kept apprised, because this is truly a national security issue. I’m so curious about why 45, who has insulted countless people and made disparaging remarks about other countries (including our allies), has always been so deferential to Putin and Russia. What exactly do they have on him? We need to see the tax returns and have a thorough accounting of his campaign contributions.

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker March 4, 2017

      If you were an Intel agent and knew that someone who has had 34 journalists murdered and heaven only knows how many Russian diplomats too, would you want your name out there so your family can be at serious risk?

      The evidence IS there. Crowdstrike was first to discover it back in August. They went with the information to Yates and Clapper who warned the Republicans and Trump the election might be “compromised” by an infiltration of Russian hackers.

      So what did Republicans do? As Mitch McConnell said, “We will just let things take their course.” You bet he did. ONLY because the “course” suited the outcome for Republicans. Had that been Dems on the hot seat, McConnell and rat face Ryan would be on it like white on rice.

  10. InGen12 March 4, 2017

    The steady drip, drip, drip is driving Drumpf more insane than normal. With each new drip of info, he’s right to fear it’s going to end up with him losing the most. Never in American history have we had so many people in one administration having ties to Russia.

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  11. Eleanore Whitaker March 4, 2017

    If you stand back and look objectively at what the Republican Party has attempted to do since Nixon was forced to resign in disgrace, you see a picture of a party desperate to put a sleeper in the presidency. Let’s pretend that when Nixon resigned, Republicans were not just humiliated but totally insistent to never again allow any Republican President to be chief decision maker autonomously. GHWB as a former CIA chief knew all about Reagan’s already advancing Alzheimers as CA Governor. He was ideal. He could make decisions based on back room GOP suggestions and they were assured he would carry them all out. Ergo, the Iran Contra Mess. Not to worry. It wasn’t the GOP’s fault right? It was all because they “didn’t know” Reagan suffered from Alzheimers.

    Next came the already deeply embedded GHWB. No problem whatever for the Republican bulls. He was as maleable as molten steel ready to be a shape shifter. Their shock came when in only 3 years, their Reaganomics caused GHWB’s recession. Out with the Republicans, in with Clinton. How dare a Democrat take the White House! So you smear and smear and smear and then start impeachment for the same kind of sexual affair Gingrich and the GOP boys think is their entitlement.

    Never one to let an opportunity to get even get past them, they put GWB out there as their sleeper with Cheney in the back room. $3 trillion later and we know by 2008 how well their sleeper in the Presidency routine worked. NOT.

    So now, the joke is on the Republicans. They thought they’d put a big mouth, obnoxious, bossy moron like Trump at the helm as Sleeper in Chief and do all their back room dirty work while Trump takes all the crap from people who loathe his nasty attitude and his bossy BS.

    And you still think that Republicans don’t get the last laugh? Trump himself admitted in the 2nd debate he donated “$100 million to MY campaign.” Question now is who in the RNC benefitted from that money that just might have come from Trump’s “foreign” sources?

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    1. Independent1 March 4, 2017

      I agree completely with your post except for the $3 trillion later: that was actually 6.4 trillion later if you count through the end of GWB’s last budget ($5..6T in debt he inherited from Clinton to $12T in debt through his last budget ($10.6T at Obama’s inauguration plus 1.4T more deficit spending in his last budget).

      But then if you count through today, given that it was the disaster (Great Recession) GWB allowed to happen and all the unfunded wars, tax cuts and other legislation he signed during his 8 years in office that’s caused the run up to about 20T in debts today. It’s really $14.4T in debt later.

  12. Dan S March 4, 2017

    It goes without saying that millions of Americans can agree on one thing regarding 45, he’s nuttier than a fruitcake. Mental illness needs to be treated and with 45 without a proper diagnosis we don’t know to what extent his illness has on him. All I know is that he’s a direct danger not only to this nation but the world. Wherever he goes he’s got the football which is very disconcerting for someone who on the fly says the most outlandish comments that are obvious BS. This congress needs to wake up and get him removed asap before he does any lasting damage to this Nation’s security and standing with the world

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  13. greenlantern1 March 4, 2017

    The “break-in” was not part of a third-rate burglary.
    We are talking about the CIA!
    It can remotely monitor conversations by vibrating windows or vibrating cups!
    There is no need to use burglars!
    What were they ACTUALLY doing?

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  14. FireBaron March 5, 2017

    This is what happens when you allow a “successful businessman” (sorry – as someone from various parts of the Northeastern US he has never proved himself as other than a red-lining, racist, anti-semitic con artist) to reach the highest office in the land. A flippin’ idiot who surrounds himself with a cadre of people who tell him what he wants to hear.

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  15. itsfun March 5, 2017

    Wasn’t it Obama who told Russia that after his re-election he would be more flexible to deal with Russia? I wonder what secret deals he made with Russia? His administration is the one that allowed Russia to attack countries. I wonder what parts of the world he promised to Russia?

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    1. ⭐️ I Am Helpy ⭐️ March 5, 2017

      Hmmmm yes that overblown nonsense sure does excuse the open treason of the Trump team!

    2. Independent1 March 5, 2017

      And on and on with just one more mindlessly fake conspiracy theory which is all morons like you know how to do these days.

      Quite likely, Obama was hoping the election would give the Dems better control of Congress and therefore give him more confidence that he could actually work out something with Putin that Congress wouldapprove; given that the GOP idiots that you support had spent the previous 4-5 years saying no to everything Obama had proposed even if it was something the GOP had previously supported.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker March 6, 2017

        All attempts to have a relationship with Russia ended the minute CrowdStrike discovered the Russian hacking last August. They reported it immediately to Yates and Clapper, who then spent another month validating the claims before handing the hacking proof to President Obama. How are we supposed to have ANY relationship with a country who deliberately undermines an election? Would Trump kiss up to China if China had done that? You bet he wouldn’t.

        The problem for Itzov and his righties is that Trump spouts off like Mount Vesuvious without proof. Itzov does this all the time too.

        1. Independent1 March 7, 2017

          And Trump is especially kissing up to the Russians because they’ve put millions, maybe billions, into his business ventures. Trump owes them big time, and he’s only going to be able to make good on their investments in him if he can rig legislation enough to rip off the American taxpayers, mostly the middle class, for a large chunk of the moneys he owes them.

          Why George Will Might Be Right About Vladimir Putin’s Hold Over Donald Trump (VIDEO)

          http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/07/26/george-will-might-right-vladimir-putins-hold-donald-trump-video/

    3. greenlantern1 March 6, 2017

      Remember when President Reagan said that we would start bombing in five minutes?
      The red phone must have been really ringing!
      Reagan explained, to his Russian comrades, that he was only kidding!

      1. Eleanore Whitaker March 6, 2017

        Itzy has the typical Comrade’s memory. The only memories useful Comrade “Itzov” are those that can be used as weapons. Mind you, Itzov has NEVER YET provided a single shred of proof of what Comrade Itzov posts.

        Not unlike Trump. Most intelligent people do NOT make statements accusing others unless they have proof. The only ones who do that are morons like Putin and Trump.

    4. Eleanore Whitaker March 6, 2017

      Remember when GHWB was Reagan’s VP and was sent secretly to Iran to broker a deal to sell them arms. That was illegal. Remember when his son in January 2001 had document shredders running full time shredding ALL evidence of Daddy’s illegality in Iran ContrGATE?

      Hey Obama hater. Tell you what. Go anywhere in this world you want and ask what foreigners think of Trump. They go out into the streets and protest in the thousands. Ask them what they think of Obama and your balls shrink down 100 times smaller than a gnat’s because there isn’t a single foreign ally in any country of the world who doesn’t admire and respect Obama.

      Sorry if that pig you support is such a sleazy piece of trash that he can’t get an ounce of respect from anyone but dirtballs like you and your righties.

  16. greenlantern1 March 6, 2017

    Watergate?
    Our ONLY, jailed, attorney-general was Nixon’s first, John Mitchell!!
    Perfectly clear?

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker March 6, 2017

      The only reason AG Alberto Gonzalez didn’t go to jail in 2007 was because he took the coward’s way out: He resigned.

  17. Eleanore Whitaker March 6, 2017

    First of all, as everyone who has ever read FISA when it was created in 1978 knows, getting a FISA warrant has to go through 3 layers of courts and the proof of the need for the warrant has to be validated by several government departments.

    Right now, righties are trying to make the claim that ONLY the FBI is responsible for FISA warrants. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (“FISA” Pub.L. 95–511, 92 Stat. 1783, 50 U.S.C. ch. 36) is a United States federal law which prescribes procedures for the physical and electronic surveillance and collection of “foreign intelligence information” between “foreign powers” and “agents of foreign powers.”

    Therefore, even if the Obama administration or some other department of government like the CIA requested a FISA warrant, it only serves to prove they had evidence of someone in the Trump campaign feeding information to the Russians. But Itzov will tell you that’s all fine and dandy just like Itzov will tell you that rigging an election is also wonderful.

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    1. mike March 6, 2017

      All smoke no fire!
      “3 layers of courts” Really? Looks like you have more smoke coming out your anus again. Then how can the Attorney General authorize electronic surveillance before obtaining the necessary authorization from FISC? Go read the rest of Chapter 36. subchapter 1, Section 1802.
      Did the FISC court turn down the FBI earlier in the summer? Clapper yesterday said they could NOT find collusion between Trump/his operatives with Russia which makes this Russian story a nonissue.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker March 6, 2017

        Do you delight in making a super jerk of yourself? As a matter of fact, it was Michael Mukasy, Bush ’43’s AG who stated that in order to get a FISA warrant, their has to be surveillance that delivers “proof” that validates the purpose of the warrant.

        Trump is guilty. You know he is guilty of colluding with Putin and he admitted it. So why, when the 17 agencies found evidence of Russians hacking into the DNC and some RNC emails did Obama place sanctions on Russia?

        The executive branch of government can only request a FISA warrant. It has no authority under Chapter 36 Subchapter 1, Sec. 1802 to issue a FISA warrant for any wire tapping. And besides, you do recall that it was GWB who tried to wire tap American phone calls and it got shot down. Nice try at reinventing the words in FISA.

        1. mike March 6, 2017

          More of your delusional thinking.
          There is no there there. More of your Trump Derangement Syndrome.
          Go read chapter 36 subchapter 1, section 1802. My gosh you’re pathetic.
          Still waiting for the other 2 courts.

          1. Eleanore Whitaker March 6, 2017

            Say….Moron..How’s about helping out NJ taxpayers pay off 6 of those Trump bankruptcies. Put your money where your mouth is.

            I read it. And You are a liar. As usual. When Former AG Mukasey, Bush’s AG, explained the process to get a FISA warrant, he was quite clear. You are a dipshit. Why do you try to match wits with an expert who has BEEN an AG? All you are is a pathetic pathological liar like Trump who makes up any lies to cover your ass. Get job bum.

          2. mike March 6, 2017

            Come on Eleanore Witless. Name the damn courts.
            So he explained the process surely you remember what he said about which courts.

          3. Eleanore Whitaker March 6, 2017

            Not to make a real jerk out of you but the request for a FISA warrant goes first to the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, a federal court established established and authorized under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA) to oversee requests for surveillance warrants against foreign spies inside the United States by federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

            “Such requests are made most often by the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Congress created FISA and its court as a result of the recommendations by the U.S. Senate’s Church Committee. Its powers have evolved to the point that it has been called “almost a parallel Supreme Court.”

            However, according to Mukasey, the FBI must validate the proof for a FISA warrant and make certain is it legal. So they will use a Federal Court located in the state where the warrant is to be used. In this case, The New York State Court of Appeals, since Trump Tower is in NY City. It may also have to be reviewed by the SC if the warrant is to be presented so that NY State cannot deny the presentation of the warrant. Sorry you are such a dumb ass.

          4. mike March 6, 2017

            You are becoming more laughable each post.
            FBI is part of the DOJ. The FBI General Counsel’s Office will review the application and obtain the approval and certification of the Director of the FBI. DOJ has career lawyers in the OIPR(Office of Intelligence and Policy Review) responsible in assembling the application with facts assembled by a supervisory agent located at the FBI headquarters. No other court is needed. Once OIPR has prepared final application that meets the statutory requirements
            The Attorney General is the final review and approval authority before presentation to a FISC judge. All that is needed is “agents to demonstrate probable cause to believe that the “target of the surveillance is a foreign power or agent of a foreign power” nor do they need to demonstrate that commission of a crime is imminent. This low bar results in almost all warrant requests being granted by the FISC. Mother Jones reported in 2013 that the FISC had rejected just 0.03 percent-33,900 over 30 years-of all requests. The reason so many orders are approved, says Timothy Edgar, top lawyer at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Security Council under Bush and Obama, is that the Justice Department office that manages the process vets the applications rigorously… [S]o getting the order approved by the Justice Department lawyers is perhaps the biggest hurdle to approval. “The culture of that office is very reluctant to get a denial,” Wall Street Journal.
            Wrong again on the facts Eleanore Witless.

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