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How Sean Hannity’s Charlottesville Propaganda Works

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How Sean Hannity’s Charlottesville Propaganda Works


Reprinted with permission from MediaMatters.


It’s been a bad few days for President Donald Trump. His approval ratings hit new lows yesterday in the wake of his widely criticized failure over the weekend to specifically denounce a violent rally of white supremacists and neo-Nazis in Charlottesville, VA. Perhaps because many of his supporters are white racists, the president instead blamed bigotry “on many sides”; while those supporters appreciated it, journalists and pundits from all stripes pointed out this was wildly insufficient, forcing the White House to send Trump out again yesterday afternoon to issue a subdued, paltry, but specific declaration that such groups are bad. Grasping for a familiar foe to blame for his own failures, the president tweeted Monday evening that he had learned a valuable lesson from the fracas: the “Fake News Media will never be satisfied” because journalists are “truly bad people!”

For Trump, the “fake news media” constitutes any journalist who isn’t willing to say nice things about the president regardless of the circumstances. And so the president likely enjoyed last night’s performance from leading lickspittle Sean Hannity, whose Fox News program was largely devoted to explaining that the “destroy Trump establishment media” had unfairly attacked the blameless president. This combination of staunch defense of Trump, no matter what, with a willingness to lash out at the president’s foes characterizes the propagandistic tenor of Hannity’s broadcasts. Like any good propaganda, Hannity’s show has its heroes (Trump and the Republicans who support him) and its villains (Democrats and the media who smear them).

Here’s his sixteen-minute opening monologue from last night’s show:

Hannity kicked off by denouncing the “disgusting,” “despicable” actions of those with “hateful, inexcusable, racist, white supremacist views,” declaring that “there’s no place in this country for these neo-Nazi, fascist, white supremacists.” But for Hannity, the white supremacists aren’t the real villain of the story — or at least, they aren’t worthy of significant attention. They are a player to condemn so you can say you did and then move on to the real point.

And the real point, for Hannity, is that Trump had always condemned white supremacists, and media who say otherwise just want to tear the president down.

Hannity read Trump’s tweets and aired his comment on Saturday, “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides — on many sides.” It’s obvious that Trump had deliberately avoided saying who he had criticized — certainly, the white supremacists noticed that. But here’s Hannity’s explanation of what happened:

Now, all weekend long, I, like many of you, watched the media going insane, acting like they didn’t know what the president was talking about. They ran with a false narrative all weekend. Oh, big story, he didn’t mention the groups by name.

Well, it couldn’t be more obvious, more transparent who the president was talking about. He was standing for equal justice under the law, against racism. And the press, what did they do? They used a high-profile act of violence to bludgeon the president and conservatives politically. So predictable.

Now, it was crystal clear what the president was talking about. But the press, they went after him anyway. And the destroy Trump establishment media — they didn’t care about the violence, seemingly, or the racial tensions they’re creating or the civil unrest as much as they cared about using this tragedy as an opportunity to attack people they disagree with, and in particular, the president, to try and inflict as much damage politically as possible. You know what? Just like they have done since November 8th! That’s a simple truth.

Hannity is making his audience a propaganda sandwich: Attack the press, make excuses for Trump, attack the press again. He primes viewers by drawing a connection to them, suggesting they shared the collective experience of being betrayed by the press. Then he makes an obviously false statement to the benefit of the president: “It couldn’t be more obvious, more transparent who the president was talking about.” Then he explains that the media is only doing this because they are trying to destroy the president like they have since the election.

Hannity supports this viewpoint with lies of omission and commission.

He carefully avoids explaining the fervent white nationalist support for President Trump; that some rally attendees were wearing “Make America Great Again” hats; that these groups expressed love for Trump administration members like chief strategist Steve Bannon; the disturbing interactions the Trump campaign had with white nationalists. Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, who attended the protest, said that the Charlottesville protests were an indication that “we are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in, that’s why we voted for Donald Trump.”

Instead of mentioning any of that, Hannity suggests that the president has been a fervent opponent of that movement. “This is Donald Trump over the years, something the destroy Trump media will never show you, condemning Duke, white supremacists,” Hannity said, before airing a series of interview clips of Trump criticizing Duke. Three clips are from 2016 and one is from 2000, suggesting that Trump had been a consistent Duke foe.

What’s missing, of course, is the reason why reporters were asking Trump about Duke in 2016:  Trump created an uproar last February because he repeatedly refused to disavow Duke for supporting his campaign.

Having purportedly demonstrated to his audience that “President Trump and the people that voted for him and that support his agenda … don’t like racists,” Hannity went on the attack. First, he suggested that Democrats are the ones who “divide Americans by playing the race card every single election.” And then he ran through the greatest hits of conservative racial attacks on President Barack Obama — his association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright, purported ties to Louis Farrakhan, his criticism of the Cambridge police officer who arrested a college professor on his own doorstep, and his support for Black Lives Matter. From there, he was off to the races, lashing out at a panoply of liberals who had made improper comments about Trump, from Mickey Rourke to Kathy Griffin to Snoop Dogg. All the while, he criticized the media for their purported double standard in not giving sufficient coverage to these supposed atrocities.

Here’s how Hannity closed out his monologue, which began with a condemnation of white supremacists who support President Trump:

Every two to four years, Democrats divide the country. They play identity politics. It’s been a part of this playbook the Democrats used for generations.

So it’s time for the destroy Trump establishment media to start recognizing how they have a massive double standard, that they have an agenda and ideology because just like, sadly, white supremacists in Charlottesville, hatred of any kind should not be tolerated or ever given a free pass, period, whoever is involved in the hatred, like the heat we saw this weekend.

Hannity talking to himself is not significantly different from talking to his guests. The remainder of the show featured a host of conservative pundits agreeing that Trump did nothing wrong and the real problems are caused by Democrats and the “destroy Trump establishment media.” By my count of the transcript, the show featured 15 mentions of white supremacists (many of which were declarations that Trump is not one and in fact condemns them). There were 41 mentions of the media or the press over the course of the 44-minute broadcast.

This is what Sean Hannity’s Fox News show is like on a daily basis. It’s pure propaganda, an effort to support the president at every turn, while castigating his enemies — particularly the press. His viewers are living in an alternate reality — one that he’s carefully crafted to benefit Trump.





  1. dbtheonly August 16, 2017

    Trump merely echoes the constant Fox drumbeat that Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization.

    I understand the outrage but am confused by the surprise.

    1. Jim Samaras August 16, 2017

      How can one person listen to Trump and hear one thing while another hears the exact same thing and hear another?

      Do you really believe that BLM, while calling for “dead cops” is any less of a terror group than those who stood up for our monuments reflecting actual history db?

      1. Thoughtopsy August 16, 2017

        Hi Jim.

        Firstly: BLM called for nothing of the sort. You’re making the standard bigoted white racist mistake of tarring an entire movement with the actions of individuals. (Should we judge you, a bigoted white male, on Dylan Roof’s actions?)

        Secondly: Trumptards piece together whatever their heart desires from the random collections of loosely related phrases and lies that Trump regularly spouts.
        A bit like the bible: You can use part of Trumps bullsh!t to prove any point you like.
        If you come up short.. you can just wait a week, or a day, or an hour, or a sentence for when he openly contradicts himself, and use that instead.

        Thirdly: Intelligent people attempt to assess what Trump MEANS, and who Trump IS, from both what he chooses to say, and what he doesn’t say.
        This is hard because the guy is a delusional moron with no moral compass, who lies 4.5 times a day by last count, and whose printed word-salad speech transcripts would horrify an English-second-language speaker.
        What we do know about President F**ktard is that he is very quick to demean and criticize people, companies, and countries that he doesn’t like… Rosie O’Donnell, Germany, Merck, Boeing, “Lyin’ Ted”, “Crooked Hillary”, Meryl Streep, France… etc etc. Instant unfounded, 5 year old playground taunts and borderline incoherent insults… as soon as they do something he doesn’t like.

        BUT… and here’s the kicker… When does President Angry Toddler NOT condemn and insult instantly, directly, and immaturely?
        – When it’s Vladimir Putin – who elected him and most likely has his balls in a financial vise-grip.
        – When it’s Nazis, the KKK, David Duke and the White Supremacists.
        In those two instances… and those two alone… then it’s “Well, America’s hands aren’t clean either!”, and “Both sides bear the blame” as his immediate response.

        That tells you VOLUMES about who this moral sewer of a President is as a person.

        Oh and your “neutral persona” fools no-one, sad Trumptard.
        Watching you prostitute your intellect for some internally inconsistent and hypocritical political cause/job is the highlight of my day. Much as it is also sad AF.

        1. Jim Samaras August 16, 2017

          No, you shouldn’t but you thoughtless tards do! BLM is a racist movement that been invited to the WH by your Obozo hero that factions of which have been proven to be racists, I have yet to hear Trump invite David Duke or any other white supremacist to our house like the previous pos did. Not to mention Rev. (sic) Wright or tax evader Sharpton. Get off your moral soapbox a$$wipe as the people he’s called out are hypocritical morons that couldn’t shine his shoes. Stay put in Canada and tend to your own day care center

          1. Independent1 August 16, 2017

            You are an absolutely reprehensible despicable piece of human trash!!! What a worthless piece of garbage you are!!!!! The gutter is clearly your home!!

          2. InformedVoter August 17, 2017

            Once more id1, you demonstrate that you don’t understand history. It’s obvious that you lost this confrontation, and so, to “save face” you begin name-calling. Typical ploy for the side that’s losing a debate. But what else is new? I’m surprised you didn’t bring up the auto bailout and how it made a profit! Ha, ha.

          3. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            Once more you prove you work for Putin. That the only job you can get?

          4. InformedVoter August 17, 2017

            Sorry Elle, but I don’t work for Mr. Putin. I do get handsomely rewarded for my work. I’ve told you before that my position pays $140K/month, an amount that probably exceeds your annual pay. But I would not expect assistant supply clerks to earn very much.

          5. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            Sorry but you’ve been outed. A single ping showed your ISP is from Deep Net. You are such a liar. You spend your entire day online posting right wing BS and now you expect educated human beings to believe you earn $140,000 a month

            Wow, you must really be high up on Putin’s troll ladder.

            You know you can Google my name. But chickenshit like you won’t. We can’t Google yours because you have to keep your ID hidden or the cops or FBI would be at your front door.

          6. InformedVoter August 17, 2017

            Sorry POOR Elle, but once more you’ve been caught lying. NOPE, no single ping or anything else and you know it. Why do you insist on trying to make yourself look like something more than the lowly assistant supply clerk you were!

            I chose to keep my life private. There are too many crazies like you around. Just look at the crazy Antifa member who drove into the crowd!

            I could care less if you believe what i earn. You are fixated that I’m on Mr. Putin’s payroll. I have no idea what he pays his folks.

            And for what reason, pray tell, would the cops or FBI be at my door except to present awards, like they’ve done in the past.

          7. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            Ellie was forced to buy her own knee pads for her government job that she retained by “being a good little girl” wink wink and getting coffee at just the right time

          8. InformedVoter August 17, 2017

            Boy you got that right. Elle has posted over 15 different 30-year careers she claims to have worked. She’s pretty pathetic. She lives in a fantasy world and is eternally pissed at males and has a serious case of penis envy.

            She probably had to pay for her own “promotional bib” too!

          9. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            Samaras and Deformed Voter are both paid trolls. That’s why they are always counter posting to anything we in the US were taught is right and what is wrong.

            All they know is corruption, lies and deception. Time to burn them a new one.

          10. dtgraham August 17, 2017

            You’ve got that wrong. While Hollywood may have announced that all future movies will feature Canadians as the evil arch villains, Thoughtopsy is just an innocent virtuous New Zealander who openly speaks his mind.

            Anyway, when Captain America was forced to change his name after moving to Canada for the free healthcare, I thought that would soften you up a little on the country.

          11. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            Whatever, he’s a hateful a$$wipe! No comment on the meat of my message regarding Obozo inviting racists to the WH? Only an attempt to stand up for that contemptible pos? Then an upvote on his reprehensible comment below regarding myself and my opinion? I’m surprised at you dt

          12. InformedVoter August 17, 2017

            Great job of exposing how low information the lefty sheep are. Keep up the good work.

          13. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            What great job? Samaras is one of your right wing Russian trolls. Tell us? How is it you two never have had REAL jobs? And not the kind Putin pays you two to do.

          14. InformedVoter August 17, 2017

            Sorry POORly informed Elle, but James did do a great job in destroying your low information buddies. The fact that you can’t see or understand that speaks volumes of how low information you are.

          15. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            You think you’re hitting the nail on the head cat lady but in reality you couldn’t hit effing water if you fell out of a boat! You’re an unmitigated fool

          16. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            You do know that Bannon is a racist. He is a big time supporter of the ultra right and he has a seat at Trump table. Also have you noticed that the KKK has been very happy with their president and have been using him to recruit new members. Doesn’t it bother you that Trump is so loved by these people who are so full of hate?

          17. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            Trump will never get rid of the Nazi sympathizers he surrounds himself with. How can he? His own father Fred and his grandfather were both Nazi sympathizers.

          18. InformedVoter August 17, 2017

            POOR Elle, Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathizer, yet folks still purchase Ford Motor products.
            And NOPE, President Trump has NOT surrounded himself with Nazi sympathizers. The FAKE MSM would love for you to believe that, because it’s their way to explain why the voters REJECTED HilLIARy! The truth is that it was the middle-class working class that provided President Trump with his MANDATE!
            Also, neo-Nazis are left wing nut jobs, along with Antifa! How do you explain away that!

          19. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            BLM loved Obummer too and they are filled with hate. You can’t help who loves ya and Trump has repeatedly denounced the KKK which I wish I could have said about the previous pos and his “followers”

          20. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            Trump denounces the KKK when he if forced to and does it with a wink and a nod. The KKK and the Nazi’s have never had it so good as they do under Trump. You seem to believe that BLM is something like the KKK. You need to go educate yourself about them before you make a fool of yourself.

          21. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            They are a racist hate group bob it’s the media who turns them into lovable, peaceful protesters. They are no better than the KKK or the Blackstone Rangers of the 60’s. While there are bad cops most are reacting to their reprehensible behavior

          22. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            In fact they are neither of those thing. You really need to find a new source for news.
            The KKK was and is a terrorist organization. They use terror to put fear into people, that’s what they do. When was the last time you heard of BLM burning a cross in someones lawn. How many whites have BLM hung from trees. We have a problem with a few police officers in this country. Instead of defending their mistakes they need to understand that their actions have a price. We don’t need to have WLM because there is no doubt about the fact that Whites matter in our would. When a police officer pulls me over I’m not in fear for my life. Until the time comes when all people are judged by their actions and who they are instead of by the color of their skin we need groups like BLM.

          23. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            That’s the problem bob, in many cases it’s their actions that get them killed. When you’re stopped I’m sure you comply with orders. Hands visible to all and don’t act threatening.

            NYT is a liberal left wing rag that I wouldn’t line a bird cage with sir! BLM have declared war on police and if that’s not a hate group nothing is.


          24. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            What do you know about WND? Is it a reliable source? I think if you take apart their stories you will find they are not very trustworthy.

            Here is a very good recounting of what BLM really is. One point they make is that if BLM is promoting killing police they aren’t doing a very good since police deaths aren’t going up. and being a cop is no more dangerous today then in the past. Also many of the things they have pressed for in fact protect the polices as much as anyone else.

          25. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            Because it’s conservative that makes it unreliable? Come on….Huff Post and NYT are left wing publications. We could go all night back and forth showing opinions to back our beliefs but what’s the use. I see what I see you see what you see.

          26. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            It’s not that they are conservative, there are a number of reliable conservative publication. I read both the National Review and the Christian Science Monitor as well as the WSJ. I don’t always agree with them but I trust they didn’t lie to me. I don’t care if a publication is left or right, I want detailed reporting that is well resourced and has provable quoits. Give me the facts and I will make up my own mind. I have read enough of the WND to know you can’t really trust their reporting. Case in point, in the piece on BLM they have no proof that BLM supported the actions and try to create links that just aren’t there. Unlike with the KKK the leaders of the movement do not support violence. Also they don’t claim to be better then anyone else. Have you ever read any of the KKK’s web sight. It’s like night and day.

          27. Thoughtopsy August 21, 2017

            Shush racist.

          28. Marilyn August 17, 2017

            You surely do know that Ted Nugent was invited to the WH and the invitation did not come from Pres. Obama. He may not technically be a member of any organized racist group, but the vile comments that he spews out are hateful and bigoted.

          29. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            Both of my sons are musicians. To them Ted Nugent’s whining about not being allowed in the Hall of Fame was a laugh.

            Nugent is a Texas low life and when it comes to music, he, in no way, is in league with Hall of Famers like Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaugh or Eric Clapton.

            Nugent never was more than a shock jock style musician whose lyrics consist mainly of baby talk like wango tango and boop a doop boop a doop. Not exactly, the mastery of Stevie Ray Vaughn.

          30. Marilyn August 17, 2017

            He is an even poorer example of a human being than he is as a musician, and your assessment of his musicianship is spot-on.

          31. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            Funny how I never thought I paid much attention to the music of my sons eras. Must have absorb it all by osmosis or the fact that I had to keep telling them as preteens and teens to “turn it down!” rofl.

            From the time I was 3 years old, I was sent to dance school. As I got older, I studied ballet, tap, jazz, Polynesian, Flamenco, acrobatic dance and mime. So, I think I was exposed to virtually every type of dance music by the time I finished my teacher certification in 1964 at Dance Educators of America. That was how I taught dance at Rutgers without a college degree…lol.

            Dance training exposed me to a huge variety of music styles. Like most households of the 60s, I also loved Ozzy Osbourne, Rolling Stones, Janis Joplin and my favorites, Grateful Dead.

            But, I wanted my sons to also be exposed to classical music. My younger son, a professional drummer, swears that being exposed to the heavy handed Rachmaninoff is where his drum riff inspiration came from.

            As time passed, they exposed me to Queen, Aerosmith, Green Day, Ingwe Malmsteen, Iron Maiden, Rush and others.

          32. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            I’ve heard no vile comments coming from him. He’s an NRA member and an avid hunter who can’t stand the direction this country was headed before the Trump administration took over

          33. Marilyn August 17, 2017

            Either you have not paid attention or your have a mind just as sick as his. Here are a couple of choice statements.
            “[I get a] full predator spiritual erection” from hunting “bear, lions, coons, housecats, escaped chimps, small children, scared women and everything else that can be chased and/or hunted.”

            On dodging the Vietnam War draft
            Nugent told the Detroit Free Press in 1990 that he meticulously planned to get out of the war. He stopped bathing 30 days before going before the draft board and later ate nothing but junk food and Pepsi. A few days before his appointment, Nugent started defecating in his pants. It obviously worked — and it’s a good thing, because “if I would have gone over there, I’d have been killed, or I’d have killed all the Hippies in the foxholes. I would have killed everybody.”

            On politics
            Nugent’s recent comments about Obama weren’t the first time he blasted the president. He said basically the same thing in 2007, except he had a machine gun as a visual aid.

            “I think that Barack Hussein Obama should be put in jail. It is clear that Barack Hussein Obama is a communist. Mao Tse Tung lives and his name is Barack Hussein Obama. This country should be ashamed. I wanna throw up,” he said, adding “Obama, he’s a piece of s**t. I told him to suck on my machine gun.”

            These quotes only scratch the surface. Google it and you will find many more equally disgusting.

          34. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            Ok, so he’s a bit of a sick puppy. His music was the bomb in the 70’s. To each his own, however I believe he pays his taxes unlike the race baiting community organizer Sharpton or the racist preacher Wright.

          35. Thoughtopsy August 20, 2017

            You’ve heard no vile comments from TED NUGENT?
            TED NUGENT?
            Ted on Hillary:
            – “Subhuman mongrel.”
            – “Toxic c*nt.”
            – “Suck my machine gun.”
            – “Worthless b*tch.”

            Ted on Obama and Hillary: Both should “be tried for treason & hung.”

            Ted on Obama:
            – “Piece of sh*t”
            – “subhuman mongrel”
            – “suck my tiger d*ck”
            – “suck on my machine gun”
            – “Obama is like a German in 1938 pretending to respect the Jews and then going home and putting on his brown shirt and forcing his neighbors onto a train to be burned to death.”

            Ted in general:
            – Shares anti-Semitic imagery on his Facebook page
            – Has bashed unarmed victims of stabbing sprees and shootings as “so pathetic” “embarrassing” and “losers”
            – Trayvon Martin: “Dope Smoking, Racist Gangsta Wannabe.”
            – “I’m Beginning To Wonder If It Would Have Been Best Had The South Won The Civil War.”
            – Black Rappers and Hip-hop artists: “Those big uneducated greasy black mongrels on there (MTV)”

            Wow, Jim.

            That’s it… the final evidence no-one needs to listen to a thing you say.
            ….You think TED NUGENT hasn’t said any vile comments.

            Your willful ignorance is now on display for all to see.


          36. dtgraham August 20, 2017

            I didn’t catch that initially. Jim Samaras thinks that Ted Nugent hasn’t said anything vile that he’s ever heard of? Ted Nugent? Yikes! If Obama is a subhuman mongrel, then Nugent is a purebred subhuman. If the Nazi’s torches ever go out in mid-march, and they have to substitute with lighters, it would just be a Ted Nugent concert.

          37. Jim Samaras August 20, 2017

            You can wow all you want. I see very little there that I disagree with. Did his comments hurt your little feewings? Whaa whaa. Too bad a$$wipe!

          38. Thoughtopsy August 21, 2017

            And here again the real Jim shows himself.
            Ted Nugent spews:
            – Vile, racist, demeaning, anti-Semitic, public insults…
            – Holocaust jokes…
            – Threats to lynch the sitting black president…
            – Phallic obsessions with rape and his machine gun…
            …And Jim says:
            “You can wow all you want. I see very little there that I disagree with. Did his comments hurt your little feewings? Whaa whaa. Too bad a$$wipe!”

            It’s a pity you can’t comprehend directly the degree of contempt and disgust I have for you and your racist, pig-ignorant knuckle-dragger buddies.
            But you can be sure these comments will follow you round these forums as a succinct lesson for everyone on the paucity of your soul.

          39. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            Samaras, Do you eat rusty nails for breakfast or are you just an undereducated moron who always does what Trump does, pull out the BAD Obama card.

            Your Lard Ass in Chief has now been dumped by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and CEOs who will not do what you do: Appear to be Nazi Sympathizers. Not to mention world class right wing liars.

          40. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            If you had any grey matter fool you’d understand they must do the PC thing for fear of shareholder and dumb consumers like you who would call a boycott. You are a special kind of idiot

          41. 788eddie August 17, 2017

            You really need to control your language, Jim. It seems as if you’re starting to foam at the mouth.

          42. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            Naa, I have much more colorful terms to call people like he and Ellie but some here are just so hateful in their responses it’s frustrating.

          43. Thoughtopsy August 20, 2017

            Yeah… whereas calling BLM a “Racist Movement” is perfectly polite.
            You so PC Jim.
            Much amaze.

          44. dtgraham August 18, 2017

            I had some problems with the POTUS (Obama) making public comments on police misconduct before having any of the facts on the few ongoing cases that he commented on. It seemed very inappropriate to me for a President to do that publicly; general police misconduct (too often) towards the African-American community notwithstanding. Once police misconduct has been established, then comment away.

            However, I would hardly put Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright in the same category as the Klansmen and Nazis that Trump seems to sympathize with today.

            Obama always seemed to me to be more of a healer and uniter than divider, regardless of the other things that I mentioned.

            There, that’s as much as I can do for you. You’ll get my bill.

          45. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            I have several writer friends in Alberta, Saskatchewan, BC, Manitoba and Ontario.

            When I visited Alberta in August 2000, I saw a lot of film crews using the main highway in Calgary for automobile ads. I also saw them using the downtown Calgary area near the Palliser Hotel filming.

            Samaras big mouth would last him 5 minutes in western Canada. And 3 minutes in Ontario or Quebec.

            The truth about Samaras is that he is on phony SSDI and gets his rent subsidized because he is a lazy bum.

          46. dtgraham August 19, 2017

            You never know about people on the internet.

            I think there are a lot of poorer people who vote Republican for strictly cultural reasons. You’re right Eleanor. That kind of far right cultural wedgy talk wouldn’t get him too far in Canada. Of course the Progressive Conservatives in those provinces that you mentioned just aren’t the same as the American Republican party. Nobody votes PC in Canada for those reasons.

            Same as the local Republicans though, in the bluest states in America. Same idea.

          47. Eleanore Whitaker August 19, 2017

            I don’t know about you. But, my NJ state taxes that end up in Republican states are oppressive. If you study what Dem states pay in federal taxes, compared to Republican states pay, we are their sole support.

            The top two states that get greatest ROI for the $1 they pay in federal taxes are both oil states, Alaska at $1.87 and TX at $1.72. Compare that to the average for ALL Dem states: 60 cents for their $1.

            Yet, these are the states that whine the most about how poor they are and how there are no jobs. Meanwhile, we are their plantation slaves creating more and more jobs in Dem states while they making excuses for why they can’t. Sure..they can’t. Who heats with coal? Who relies on oil for an income to the point where their good ole boys hand them $17 billion this year in Oil subsidies. Guess what most of that $17 billion in tax subsidies comes from?

          48. 788eddie August 17, 2017

            as an aside, some of my friends in Canada are saying that they’re building a wall, too. And they plan to have the Americans pay for it.

          49. Thoughtopsy August 20, 2017

            1) Pathetic straw man.
            2) Not Canadian (but thank you, I feel proud to be compared to them)

            Nice job completely avoiding my answers to your points, and my other key points. LOL

            Intellectual Coward.

        2. InformedVoter August 17, 2017

          What a bunch of drivel. But then again, that’s just about all you ever post! President Trump is correct, the FAKE MSM are all running around, foaming at the mouth. In the end, this “scandal”, like all the other “scandals” will not grow legs, and will disappear with little fanfare. Meanwhile, President Trump just keeps rolling along erasing obozo’s “legacy”.

          1. 788eddie August 17, 2017

            And soon tRump will be replaced as “bad mistake” made by a minority of American voters who were able to erroneously influence an election.

          2. InformedVoter August 17, 2017

            Sorry ed, but President Trump will be around for another 3.5 years! Doesn’t that sound wonderful! NOPE, the tally was 306 to 227 and that is a mandate from the voters who soundly REJECTED HilLIARy and obozo’s failed 8 years.

          3. 788eddie August 17, 2017

            Nope. It was only an electoral victory; Trump lose the popular vote by 3 million.

            And with ALL of our intelligence agencies concurring that Russia successfully influenced the election, those electoral votes may also be suspect.

            So sad . . . so sad.

          4. InformedVoter August 17, 2017

            Sorry ed, but you are incorrect. If you removed all the illegal votes, then President Trump would have won the popular vote too. But since the popular vote meant nothing, he elected to not even campaign in CA. Had he done so, he would not have won CA but the margin would have been much smaller.

            And since NO intel agency has claimed they can prove that Russia influenced the election, you once more show your ignorance. OK, I’ll bite, how did Russia influence the election? Let’s see, they did …. hum, then they did …. uh, and then don’t forget they did …. duh. Please provide ONE item that ANYONE could have done that would have influenced the election! You can’t and you know it.

            Don’t even mention the emails. Who wrote what was in there? Why it was Deb W-S and HillIARY themselves, so whose fault was it!

            Talk about being low information and thus a loser!

          5. 788eddie August 18, 2017

            There were no “illegal votes” unless you count the Republican illegal voters.

            Fact: the only people convicted of illegally voting during the 2012 and 2014 elections were Republican voters. Convicted! Agencies looking into President Loudmouth’s claim have said that there is no substance to the allegations. None!

            And regarding intel agencies and the Russian collusion, none have released reports to the public because they are still classified.

            Sorry, (mis)informed, but you missed once again.

            So sad . . . so sad.

          6. InformedVoter August 18, 2017

            Sorry ed, but you are, of course, WRONG! Just in Michigan, there are estimated to be 100,000 illegal votes for HiLIARy. Mostly from Detroit. When MI started the requested recount, almost 60% of the Detroit precincts had to be excluded because the number of votes tallied, did not match the voter count. In 3 precincts, the number of votes counted for HilLIARy was greater than the number of registered voters in those precincts. The worst case was a precinct that had 278 registered voters. The vote tally for HilLIARy was 304 and for President Trump 0. When the ballot box was opened, there were only 50 ballots in the box and not all the votes were for HilLIARy. The precinct workers have been working in this precinct for many elections and blamed the short time frame to report actual counts. Note that HilLIARy was credited with losing MI by 10,704 votes. As mentioned, it’s estimated that she received 100,000 more votes than she should have, and that was just MI.

            In Ohio and Pennsylvania, the same sort of illegal vote counting was performed.

            And don’t forget in CA, that obozo encouraged voters, who were not citizens or registered, to go and vote anyway.. He told audiences that no one would follow or track or challenge them. If they were US citizens, then why would they have to be concerned about voting!

            And why are CA and NY fighting to release the Pence investigation group is requesting.

            You see ed, you falsely assumed that illegal votes just means votes cast by those illegally in the country. Even then, that number is well over 1 million. When you start to count those who were not registered and voted anyway, and sometimes many more times than once, you easily get into the potential of millions. There were reports of bus loads of “voters” going into voting locations and casting unchallenged ballots, then boarding the bus and got dropped off at the next voting location.

            It’s so obvious that you have no idea of what really took place, yet you continue to make uninformed and inaccurate statements as if you actually knew something.

            Once more you’ve been destroyed by the truth!

          7. 788eddie August 19, 2017

            (mis)informed, your commentary is another example of your twisted fantasy. Donald Trump lost the popular vote by almost three million votes; that fact does not change. He is a minority president.

            And one of the worse aspects of it all is that many of you “wing-nuts” are using it as justification for disenfranchising tens of thousands of voters to compensate for the fact that conservative Republicans (and I am a moderate registered Republican) are fast becoming a minority in our country.

            There is, after all, still hope for our country.

          8. InformedVoter August 19, 2017

            Sorry POORly informed ed, but the popular vote margin for HilLIARy was due to the illegal votes she received in CA. If you remove CA from the vote tally, President Trump wins the popular vote by 1.5 million.

            Just how large a MANDATE did President Trump receive? He is NOT a minority president. In fact, in the past 24 presidential elections, only 11 or 12 times did the winner receive more than 50% of the popular vote. And if you got back further, the number who received more than 50% is even fewer.

            YUP, it’s a MANDATE!

          9. 788eddie August 19, 2017

            (mis)informed, please keep trying to convince yourself of this, while you and your ilk become more and more of a minority.

            And just to help you sleep better at night (sarcasm), I read an article recently that pointed out that Caucasian is a recessive gene. When someone who is white has a child with someone of another race, the offspring is not white, but some sort of blend. The more we move forward, the more mixed race humans exist.

            Sleep well tonight, (mis)informed.

          10. InformedVoter August 19, 2017

            So ;you’er going to deny the popular vote map? How dumb that makes you look!

            So the offspring is a blend, so that must mean that the other “race” is also recessive! The FAKE MSM calls someone with 1% of African blood, black. The same for Asian blood. Seems like the FAKE MSM are the ones who are recessive. Oh, I forgot, you worship the FAKE MSM because you constantly believe and fall for their FAKE MSM “news”.

            So I’m ilk because I dare to shred your lies! Well, then I’m proud to be ilk. Just ask yourself what that makes you then!

            You are lower than garbage because of your twisted, poorly informed, close-minded, intolerant views and ideas.

          11. 788eddie August 20, 2017

            Hey (mis)informed, you’re one of the funniest (and at the same time saddest) people I have ever read. At times, you ramble and make absolutely no sense at all. I guess it’s from the burden of continually trying to support a president who is even a sadder case than you.

            Have a nice day.

          12. PrecipitousDrop August 20, 2017

            Trump and Misinformed never understood that the “election map” is meaningless. Geography doesn’t vote. Citizens do. And, most citizens live in cities.

          13. InformedVoter August 20, 2017

            POOR ed, I can understand your frustration as a lowly Dem. You have no leaders to look up to. Hell Pelosi is the best tool the GOP has to spark contributions. You lost the November election when the voters REJECTED HilLIARy. You’ve lost EVERY election since then.
            Contributions to the Dems have all but evaporated. Meanwhile, contributions to the GOP are near record high levels.
            All you have are mediocre actors who are getting rich by telling you how bad President Trump is doing, but in reality he’s been wiping out just about all of obozo’s “legacy”.
            Just look at the most recent “scandal”, the majority of Americans agree with President Trump about keeping the statues in place. Even in the extreme NE, 53% want the statues left alone. Yet Pelosi wants statues removed thinking it’ll energize your pathetic base.
            You can call it rambling, but the truth is that you just don’t understand and grasp how badly you and your poorly informed fellow posters look.
            And President Trump’s approval rating is significantly higher than the FAKE MSM have been reporting. But you’ve got to remember, these are the same idiots who sold you on the fact that HilLIARy was leading in the polls. How did that work out for you? It’s been great for the GOP!
            And you claim I’m sad, well you’re even lower than that.
            And and the march to make America great again continues and all you losers have nothing but sad faces. Ha, ha, ha.
            Don’t feel bad, only 3.5 more years and then another 4 after his reelection.

          14. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            The only fake here is you Deformed Voter. Shouldn’t you be working for that $140,000 you claim you earn?

          15. InformedVoter August 17, 2017

            Sorry POORly informed Elle, I do work hard for my money. And I earn every penny of it.

            You low information and POORly informed lefties just can’t seem to grasp or handle the truth. The FAKE MSM keep saying that President Trump’s numbers are down, but then they admit that he would win the election today by an even larger margin that his MANDATE! Typical lefty nonsense thinking.

      2. dbtheonly August 16, 2017


        Nazis are Nazis. My Grandparents learned this in occupied ______. My Mother learned this as she escaped to England and served with the RAF.

        I didn’t see the Civil War Preservation Trust in Charlotte. Instead, I saw people who couldn’t tell the difference between Harvey Hill and Powell Hill or wound pronounce the t Joe Johnston’s name. I believe Lincoln’s “charity to all” does extend to flying the Confederate flag over the mass graves of Confederate dead. But we needn’t glorify the South.

        Finally, I do believe that the police shootings of unarmed Black Guys is a significant problem for us all. BLM is right and justified in protesting these killings. I suggest you err when you see BLM as exclusive. There’s nothing that diminishes others’ lives by asserting that BLM. All lives matter but it’s the Black and Red ones that are at most risk.

        1. Jim Samaras August 16, 2017

          Illegally pulling down statues of Confederate soldiers and taking videos of “brave” unemployed liberal arts major social justice warriors kicking the Confederate soldier is what passes for activism in today’s warped society. Liberal mayors and city councils across the south are falling all over themselves wasting time and taxpayer money to remove statues of Confederate generals to appease the left and make a display of how anti-racist they can be. Meanwhile, their cities are bankrupt, their infrastructure is decaying, black crime is rampant and their education systems matriculate functionally illiterate deranged snowflakes into society. Here’s another thought regarding who these people may have been…..


          1. Independent1 August 16, 2017

            Wow! You can really distort reality and fabricate the truth at a blink of the eye. Nothing you just posted is reality – everything is a fantasy created in your own LOWLIFE MIND!!

            And those Confederate generals that have statues, were nothing more than TRAITORS!! Since when do we set up statues for traitors??

            If there had been a dozen U.S. generals in Afghanistan during the Afghan war and 1/2 of them decided to join the Taliban (the moral equivalent of the Confederacy). And some of those generals had gone out and done a great job killing American soldiers – would you be suggesting we should build statues for those traitors generals?? Because that’s exactly what Lee and every other Confederate Soldier did – they committed TREASON!!!

            See this LOWLIFE!!

            The Confederate battle flag isn’t a symbol of Southern heritage. It’s a flag of treason.

            It is not a coincidence that at the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, the Nazi swastika was carried side-by-side with the Confederate battle flag. Both flags were flown by armies that fired upon U.S. soldiers and the American flag. The first shots in the Civil War were fired at Fort Sumter, an American fort that proudly displayed the American flag. The “victors” at Fort Sumter gave a mighty cheer when the American flag was lowered. Throughout the war, Southern diarists referred to the American flag as the “hated Yankee flag.”

            The Confederate battle flag is a flag of treason. The Nazi flag and the Confederate battle flag were designed by groups that rejected the founding American creed of the Declaration of Independence, that “all men are created equal.” The founding documents of the Confederate States of America espoused the supremacy of the white race and the need for the black race to be held forever subservient.

            While the Confederate army did not massacre 6 million people
            whom they considered subhuman, as did the Nazis, the Confederate army, under Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, a former slave trader, slaughtered hundreds of African-American troops after the surrender of the Union garrison at Fort Pillow in Tennessee. They were outraged that a black man would ever be allowed to wield a gun. Forrest, after the war, helped found the Ku Klux Klan.

            Those who fly a Confederate battle flag side-by-side with the American flag are not only ignorant of history but they grossly misrepresent the core ideas that gave rise to the four years of treason that commenced with the attack on Fort Sumter. This was not, as Southern apologists claim, a defense of “states’ rights,” but a rejection of a democratic election won fairly by Abraham Lincoln. Well before Lincoln was ever inaugurated and signed a single piece of legislation, Southern states rejected the ideas of American democracy, the American nation and the American flag.

            The monument to Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville, the focal
            point of the white supremacist rally, was not erected in the wake of the Civil War, but in the 1920s. It celebrates a man who took up arms against his own country. Monuments to Civil War generals began to be built not in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, but only after the disputed election of 1876.

            Rutherford B. Hayes defeated Samuel Tilden for presidency,
            even though Tilden had won both the national popular vote and secured more electoral votes than Hayes but fell one shy of the majority needed to win the election. Hayes secured the 19 contested electoral votes needed to take the White House after pledging to remove federal troops from the South, ending the era of Reconstruction.

            These troops had been attempting to enforce the principles
            of equality and freedom over which the Civil War had been fought. This concession allowed the introduction of Jim Crow legislation, re-establishing the principles of white supremacy over which the South had committed its act of treason. Segregation and widespread denial of the enfranchisement of African-Americans quickly followed. The sudden re-emergence of the Confederate battle flag throughout the South only occurred in the 1950s as the courts, and then Congress, began undoing the legal framework of white supremacy embodied in the Jim Crow South.

            The American philosopher George Santayana once wrote that
            “those who don’t remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” Those Southern Republicans who still defend the Confederate battle flag as a sign of “Southern heritage” and deny slavery and treason as the cause of the Civil War should remember what the first Republican president said in his Second Inaugural Address:“To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend [slavery] was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war.” Lincoln had lived the history that Southern Republicans now try to sanitize.

            A little over a month after Lincoln spoke these words, he was slain by a white supremacist dedicated to the Confederate battle flag and the Confederacy, John Wilkes Booth. The time has come to squarely face the history of the Confederacy. Let us honor the Civil War dead at battlefields, but let us put an end to honoring in the public square either the flag of treason or the generals who led that treason.


          2. dbtheonly August 17, 2017


            The answer to your question on why the Confederacy is remembered, is because they were our ancestors. Around the turn of the century the issue was heavily debated. I’d refer you to the writings and opinions of Col. Roosevelt as they completely convinced me. In short, they are Americans. That’s what the war decided. Even though they made bad decisions, they are still our Fathers, Brothers, and Sons. The only goal is to reintegrate them into society. Persecution, prosecution, and punishment serve no goal. The generation that fought the war didn’t condemn them as traitors, we now have to reason to change that position.

            Lincoln urged malice for none, charity for all. Wise advice then as now.

          3. Independent1 August 17, 2017

            Yes, you can remember them in history class or at a cemetery but you don’t go around setting up statues and waving flags and causing mayhem to celebrate people who made bad decisions which resulted in them committing treason against your country. Do you see any statues around for Benedict Arnold whose acts of treason people are outwardly celebrating?

          4. dbtheonly August 17, 2017

            You’re really asking why there are no statues to Benedict Arnold? The end of that war created a new nation. The end of the Civil War prevented the creation of a new nation. Thus at the end of the war there were only Americans. There are few statues to Grant or Sherman in the South and few of General Lee north of the Mason-Dixon Line. Each section celebrates its own heroes as we are all Americans now.

            To me those statues have their own validity as showing a whitewashing of the less pleasant parts of the war as an aid or an ease to reintegration.

            Then, even more than now, you’ve got the issue of reintegrating a portion of the community that rejects the legitimacy of the government.

          5. Independent1 August 17, 2017

            I’m sorry, I don’t buy into all that. Building Confederate statues in the beginning was wrong and it’s wrong today. Because these soldiers for which the statues were made WERE NOT HEROES THEY WERE TREASON COMMITTERS!!! How can you call someone who killed hundreds of Americans heroes??

            Sorry it can’t happen and is categorically wrong – I don’t care if they were Americans – they were Americans who created treason JUST LIKE BENEDICT ARNOLD WHO WAS EXECUTED!!!

            Even General Lee knew that and disagreed with them being created.

            Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

            In December of that year, he wrote of another proposed Confederate monument: “As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated, my conviction is, that, however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt, in the present condition of the country, would have the effect of retarding instead of accelerating its accomplishment, and of continuing if not adding to the difficulties under which the Southern people labor.”

            Not only did Lee oppose Confederate monuments, “he favored erasing battlefields from the landscape altogether,” Horn wrote. He even supported getting rid of the Confederate flag after the Civil War ended. He didn’t want it flying above Washington College, of which he was president after the war.

            “Lee did not want such divisive symbols following him to the
            grave,” Horn wrote. “At his funeral in 1870, flags were notably absent from the procession. Former Confederate soldiers marching did not don their old military uniforms, and neither did the body they buried.

            According to Horn, Lee’s daughter wrote, “His Confederate uniform would have been ‘treason’ perhaps!” “Lee believed countries that erased visible signs of civil war recovered from conflicts quicker,” Horn told PBS. “He was worried that by keeping these symbols alive, it would keep the divisions alive.” (And it clearly has!!!)


            Even General Lee knew all these monuments would do in the future was create division; not be monuments of honor.

          6. dbtheonly August 17, 2017

            You’re quoting Jim to me? Woah!

            The point is that Grant and Sherman also killed thousands of Americans. That’s the result of the war. Both sides killed Americans.

            Capitalizing traitor and repeating it often shows you’ve missed the point. The Confederates weren’t traitors, they had a different concept of the nature of the country. The guys who actually fought the war understood that & set the terms of reconstruction. You should look at Lincoln’s plans. Then come back to me and tell me Lincoln WAS ABETTING TREASON.

          7. Independent1 August 17, 2017

            But Grant & Sherman killed Americans COMMITTING TREASON!! THERE’S A BIG DIFFERENCE!!! When those southern soldiers chose to join the generals committing treason THEY WERE NO LONGER AMERICANS!! THEY WERE OF THE CONFEDERATE ARMY!!!!! THEY ABDICATED THEIR CITIZENSHIP!!


          8. dbtheonly August 17, 2017

            Now you’re being silly.

            If the Confederates were not Americans; then the North had no right to invade them. The issue of their “Americanness” was the very issue at stake.

            Lincoln did not consider the Confederates TRAITORS!. Again, I can only refer you to his writings and speeches. He really does define things well.

          9. Independent1 August 17, 2017

            You’re the one who’s being silly; the southern states, property, belonged to the Union; the fact that a group of people living on that property chose to become traitors in no way prevented the right of the Union to fight those traitors for the states (properties) that rightly belonged to the Union. And it wasn’t 100% of the people living in the South who agreed with the Confederacy – a lot of Southerns were not supportive of it.

            And, according to Lee’s ancestor, it appears that Lee felt that he may well have committed treason. He knew it – whether or not Lincoln was kind enough in his mind to not accuse him or other Confederates of doing so; doesn’t mean their actions weren’t outright treason.

          10. Independent1 August 18, 2017

            I apologize for coming across so strong on this. But the last thing we need is to suggest that these statues of hate, not honor, need to be perpetuated just so they can continue to create division within our country.

            Here’s another article you need to read which even better records why these statues put up to further hate and division need to come down.

            Confederate monuments testify to the Union’s unfinished victory

            Both the Civil War and the civil rights movement are justifiably seen as progressive breakthroughs. They were revolutions resulting in the end of slavery and, later, theabolition of Jim Crow across the United States. But the very existence of the Confederate statues that Trump is now defending, and the white-supremacist-fueled violence in Charlottesville last weekend, also underscore what wasn’t achieved in those earlier victories, and the and limits of these revolutions.

            It is remarkable that scores of monuments and statues to the Confederacy, the losing side in the Civil War, were even erected in the first place. Consider that these symbols of a regime founded to defend slavery occupy hallowed public grounds — city parks, town squares, statehouses and courthouses.

            It’s almost as if Italy or Japan had erected statues honoring wartime leaders Benito Mussolini or Hideki Tojo in the decades following those countries’ defeats in World War II. Typically, the losing side in a war doesn’t get to pay public tribute to its leaders, especially when the cause is as repugnant as the subjugation and enslavement of an entire race. But that is the situation that the United States finds itself in today.

            The Confederate statues defended by Trump were not innocent manifestations of civic pride, but intentional assertions of white supremacy. As historians and journalists have amply documented, the first wave of statues and monuments were erected decades after North had won the Civil War. As the South in the 1890s and 1900s began to codify segregationist Jim Crow laws and deployed mob and
            state-sanctioned violence to keep African-Americans subjugated, states erected dozens of public tributes to the cause of the Confederacy. Confederate statues and monuments served as cultural expressions of white supremacy, painful reminders that the nation’s racial hierarchy survived the emancipation of African-Americans from slavery.


            In hindsight, it has proven to be Lincoln’s and his successors’ failure to fully prosecute the leaders of the Civil War for the treasonous criminals they actually were. A bunch of rich landholders willing to foment a war that divided families and killed tens of thousands of Americans because they were unwilling to run their plantations in a way that truly benefited the people of the South: like most farms in America are run today, by farmers hiring workers and paying them for their labor. Instead the wealthy plantation owners of that time wanted instead to enslave people so they could get all this work done almost for free (aside from the costs of boarding these families). How can all that evilness be something that our country should be maintaining monuments to remember???

          11. Independent1 August 17, 2017

            Sorry, and I’m not buying that the Confederates were not traitors!! They were traitors of the first class!! Lincoln had wanted Lee to lead the Union Army, but he chose to be a traitor instead!!!!!

            There’s no other word for it!! They deliberately started the war by firing on Fort Sumter and killing American soldiers!!

            How can you sit there in all honesty and say they weren’t traitors???

          12. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            Nice cut and paste history lesson from some opinion page idiot like yourself.

          13. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            I will put it in terms you will understand. The South tried to destroy the United States and lost. They are the losers and they keep celebrating their lose. They took arms against our country. They lost. The Nazis tried to take over Europe, they murdered millions. They lost, they are also losers. When you fly either of their flag you are celebrating losers. They lost for a reason. If you joint their cause you become a loser to. Do you like being a loser?

          14. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            I have relatives in the south and midwest. Some of the ones who live in FL worked plantations as young children in GA, NC, LA and SC.

            They would tell you that the minute the Civil War ended, their grandparents became white sharecroppers who were the ONLY affordable workers plantation owners could afford.

            Once the south and midwest lost access to free black slave labor, the north had to fork over millions to help them rebuild.

            Nearly all of the NC tobacco plantations today are housing developments. I should know. My nephew, 2 nieces and a cousin all live in homes built on them. The sugar cane plantations are nearly all gone which is why the Bush Dynasty invested in 11 Cuban sugar plantations after the Civil War.

            Once technology made great strides in heavy duty equipment like harvesters, cotton plantations no longer needed sharecroppers to pick cotton as my FL relatives did on GA plantatations.

          15. dbtheonly August 17, 2017

            Ms. E, no argument if you’re asserting that slavery was an unmitigated evil for both Black and a White. The reliance on slave labor set the South back 100 years, and the war damage took about as long to repair. It may not be completely done yet.

          16. Eleanore Whitaker August 18, 2017

            I don’t want history erased. That would be far too dangerous. However, since the Bush era there has been a wide spread attempt to launder the truth about the Civil War.

            We’ve all heard how “it wasn’t about slavery. It was about states’ rights.” The dirty little item missing in that is that these were the Confederate states that broke with the US Constitution in order to keep, buy and sell slaves under what they called their “states rights.”

            George Washington fought for the right to create the “UNITED” States. The Confederates fought to destroy it. That and only that is how the Confederacy must be viewed in history.

            The other disgusting like the rebel Confederates never mention is the truth about why 900 of their rebel soldiers REALLY died during and after the war…not from war injuries but from Yellow Jack fever.

            This was uncovered in the documentary by Ken Burns, the famous historian of numerous other important US documentaries.

            As for that Confederate flag. It was never the flag of ALL of the confederate states as Robert E. Lee himself stated.

            “The Confederacy had three flags. This was never one of them,” Senator Clyburn said. “This is a flag, the Confederate battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia, Robert E. Lee’s army.”

            “And when Robert E. Lee surrendered he asked all of his followers to furl this flag. Stow it away, he said. Put it in your attics,” Clyburn continued. “He refused to be buried in his Confederate uniform. His family refused to allow anyone dressed in the confederate uniform to attend his funeral.”

            “Why? Because Robert E. Lee said he considered this emblem to be a symbol of treason.

          17. dbtheonly August 18, 2017

            The issue of the Slave Trade is also swept under the rug. It’s puzzling to see how the Confederacy expected European recognition when they proposed the return of that evil.

            The role of disease in Civil War medicine if far understated. There’s a good museum in Richmond devoted to the issue.

            To my mind though, the statues that didn’t

          18. Eleanore Whitaker August 19, 2017

            The world is changing. The only morons who cannot learn to change with the times are conservatives of the most extremist breed.

            Why they would expect Europeans to take their misguided side is pathetic.

            What these nuts want is a race war, pure and simple. They need a race war because of their own massive insecurity, lack of ambition and refusal to educate themselves in a manner fitting the picture of today’s jobs.

            There are jobs out there. Two of the biggest industries today are hiring in droves. Healthcare and cyber security industries have already shown a 35% growth.

            My ex’s grandmother was a white sharecropper who picked cotton and tobacco in GA and NC. She would tell those KKK morons that their reason for their bigotry has to do with the basic southern and midwestern mindset that once free slave labor was gone, they had to do slave jobs if they wanted to feed their children.

          19. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            I fly nothing but the American flag bob. I’m not standing up for white supremacy I’m standing up for freedom of speech and the right to peacefully, legally protest. I blame the democratic mayor of the town for not doing his job and telling police to keep the groups separate. Now vigilantes illegally pulling down statues I will not sit idly by and say nothing regardless of the monument.

          20. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            The police tried to keep the groups separate, They tried to move the white supremacist to a bigger park and in fact cancelled their permit for the one they were in. This was done before it even started. The ultra right group went looking for trouble and found it. I agree that pulling down the statue was wrong, it needed to be moved but not destroyed. I support free speech even when I disagree with it. This wasn’t about free speech. It was about getting headlines and showing they had power. I’m a good northern boy, My family fought on the side of the Union. My one son in law who is a direct descendant of Jefferson Davis. Neither of us have a racist bone in our body but we both agree that the history is important and should not be forgotten. Celebrating a failure makes no sense to either of us. The past is just that passed and gone. Our country needs to get over it’s past celebrate our differences and get busy working together to make the world a better place for everyone.

          21. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            What you say makes sense bob but let’s have a public debate before making these decisions

          22. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            There is public debate, it’s been going on for years. The problem is there are people who need an invented grand past because their present sucks. They need to have someone to blame for there own short coming and feel they can make themselves larger by tearing down others. Hitler understood this and used it to gain power. Create an enemy to blame the problems on. Does this sound familiar.

          23. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            It actually does bob…..Russia Russia Russia……blame them for the cankle queen losing

          24. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            Illegal and Muslims are the cause of all our problems.

          25. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            No, a liberal ideology and an agenda for a OWO has done more to tear this country apart than anything I can recall in my 60 plus years

          26. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            If you really care what is tearing the country apart it’s the hate radio and hate TV. By using classic propaganda and misinformation they have sold a part of the country that the government is their enemy, all science if fake and that they are the only ones to trust for information. You can trace it’s roots back to the 90’s. Do you remember Americans held hostage, the cry of Rush. He found something to sell and a lot of people bought it. I remember when Rush was a rock n roll DJ in Pittsburgh. By attacking Bill Clinton he created a world of half truths and misinformation. Others followed in his footsteps and keep taking it to a higher level. In a country with a government of the people, by the people and for the people there is now a good sized group that fears their own government. An other great boggy men they have created is the new would order. This one makes no sense but there are a lot of believers in it. It wasn’t Obama that divided the country. It was done long before he showed up. It was people like Rush, Hannity and Jones that did the deed and made good money doing it.

          27. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            We haven’t had a government of, by and for the people since labor lost it’s voice in Washington to big business bob. Money controls every congressman, senator and many judges. How is it that regular folks get into office as common folk yet ten measly years later they have become millionaires on a 100,000 yearly salary? Rush, Levin and Hannity just bring it to the light where those who would like their country back listen and not go along like many sheeple

          28. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            The followers Rush and company live in the dark and are mushrooms. They are selling you crap and you are eating it up. Go do some homework on your hero’s, they aren’t what they seem. Even they admit it’s all and act and they are entertainers. The industry they have build around selling lies and half truths has made them very rich. It’s all about the money.

            If you don’t like how your government is run get involved. You can’t complain sitting on the bench. Go work on and election, join your local party. Yes Washington has become big business but that’s because we have let it. Have you ever heard of grass root movements, they are real.

          29. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            Yes they are bob. Make certain you’re on the right side. BTW I hear there’s now complaining of how the talk has begun (on CNN of course) that the Washington monument is a hate filled one and should be brought down. How about Thomas Jefferson off Mt Rushmore….where does this stupidity end? Be on the right side sir!

          30. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            The stupidity will end when every nut job out there stops being reported on the news. As far as being on the right side I’m a life long republican, a moderate and a Christian. I’m what some call an Eisenhower republican or a Chamber of Commerce Republican.

          31. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            I can’t understand how they get a platform when they come up with ideas like taking down monuments. Had they been ignored and ridiculed it would have gone away.

            You sound to be a gentleman sir. I would consider myself an Independent with a conservative lean as I’ve voted both ways. IMO though they have all sold us out for 20 plus years and Trump is perceived as one who will change all that. Is he perfect? Far from it but he’s NOT in it for the money

          32. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            As I say I have been in the party for a very long time, I have worked on campaigns, been a poll watcher and even was a ward chairman. National politics are fun to watch but it’s the local stuff that can effect you the most.

            Now as far as Trump goes, I don’t like him, I don’t trust him and never have. He isn’t a conservative, a republican or even a very good businessman. I have a habit of over doing things. I have a very strong back ground in business so Trump has been known to me for a long time. He is the worst kind of businessman. He doesn’t invest, he gambles. He has no problem ripping off people and even brags about it. He has ripped off investors, vendors and customers. Each time he went bankrupt he walked away with money while those who put their trust in him got burned. He didn’t care who he hurt. I think what bothers me the most is the fact he doesn’t understand the basic and has gotten in trouble time and time again because of it. Yes he has a lot of money but no where near what he should have when you look at what he started out with. As I said I dug deep, trying to find anything that would let me vote for him but the more I learned the less I could support him. He is something to think about, he likes firing people. In business the only time you need to fire someone is if you made a mistake in hiring them in the first place which means you have failed you job as a boss.

            Now as president he is proving my worst fears. Just as he didn’t really understand the basics of business he doesn’t understand the basics of how our government works. The president needs to be detailed orientated, every word he says has great power and will have effects. This point is missed by him. A president can’t be careless in any way but Trump is. I didn’t like Clinton, not because of the lies said about her but there is just something about her that doesn’t sit right. The only thing going for her was the fact that she is a plainer. She had detailed plains for everything. She also understood the job. This election we were caught between a rock and a hard place. There was no one to vote for and only people to vote against.

          33. The lucky one August 19, 2017

            Very well said sir.

          34. The lucky one August 19, 2017

            “they have all sold us out for 20 plus years” Yes, maybe not all but most but “Trump is perceived as one who will change all that”. Perceived by who or more to the point why? He admitted, bragged actually as is his style, that he bribes politicians to get what he wants. How could anyone think he would be a force for change of corruption in politics. If Al Capone ran for district attorney on a clean-up crime platform would you have voted for him?

          35. Jim Samaras August 19, 2017

            The last upfront guy was Reagan imo. Not perfect but basically an honest man doing his best to do the right thing. Bushes, Clinton and Obama were puppets of the kingmakers. Trump will not be bought which is what fears them all.

          36. The lucky one August 19, 2017

            IMO Carter was the last relatively honest president. I see Reagan’s deregulation mania as one of the primary reasons we are where we are today but I have to admit I’d take him over Trump in a heart beat. Ron did at least appoint competent people in many instances, though also a fair amount of crooks, and didn’t have the fragile ego of Trump. He also gave the appearance of being a decent man, maybe just an act, but Trump can’t even pull that off.

            In another post you bemoaned the status of workers today, I agree, but I think the biggest push down hill came from Reagan’s crushing of the Air traffic controllers union. Although he wasn’t foolish enough to suggest privatization as Trump has done.

          37. The lucky one August 19, 2017

            “The stupidity will end when every nut job out there stops being reported on the news” I don’t know that it will end but that would sure be an improvement.

          38. Eleanore Whitaker August 18, 2017

            Hey shock jock…Howard Stern you aren’t. You forget one thing. History of the US shows that since its founding in the 1850s, the Republican Party, based on conservative ideology, has always been the party of Big Business.

            It’s why every Republican President has been a failure. It’s why every Republican president has had a recession. And before you try and blame that on Dems. Explain why one term GHWB had a recession that followed Reagan’s?

          39. The lucky one August 19, 2017

            You should have stopped at “on a 100,000 yearly salary?” I was with you up to that point. Limbaugh is just an entertainer and Hannity is just a shill.

          40. Jim Samaras August 19, 2017

            Now you’re comparing Rush and his ilk to the likes of Shartpton and Jesse Jackson. They believe what they spout

          41. The lucky one August 19, 2017

            I’d put Starpton in the same class as Limbaugh, an opportunist out for his own gain. Jackson is more of a mixed bag. His son fits the Sharpton mode however. Hannity is just a witless Trump bootlicker who is not even entertaining. Hopefully he will fade away when Trump exits.

          42. The lucky one August 19, 2017

            Really, more than the invasion of a country posing no threat to us that was based on lies?

          43. Jim Samaras August 19, 2017

            Good point

          44. Eleanore Whitaker August 18, 2017

            No we blame YOU right wingers. Your hatred for Hillary comes from your hatred for your Mommy who was your boss. You hated that with such venom that any woman smarter than you is now a target.

            You blame Hillary, Obama and liberals and have the balls to then excuse yourself? You who has NO job? You who lives in a second floor slum?

            Your misfortune is your own fault. YOU and no one else is at fault for your problems. If you think women will allow men like you to sit on your asses all day while you blame the rest of the world for your laziness. Think again.

            You are not very smart. If you were smarter than Hillary, which a lazy bum like you won’t ever admit, you’d be a CEO and Trump’s chief competitor.

            Time for Mommy to change your diapers.

          45. Eleanore Whitaker August 18, 2017

            We do not debate the rights of Nazis in American streets. There are none. We do not debate the rights of Confederate race baiters like you to try and get your stilted version of history out there.

            The reality of Robert E. Lee is what he said himself, “The Confederacy had three flags. This was never one of them,” Clyburn said. “This is a flag, the Confederate battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia, Robert E. Lee’s army.”

            “And when Robert E. Lee surrendered he asked all of his followers to furl this flag. Stow it away, he said. Put it in your attics,” Clyburn continued. “He refused to be buried in his Confederate uniform. His family refused to allow anyone dressed in the confederate uniform to attend his funeral.”

            “Why? Because Robert E. Lee said he considered this emblem to be a symbol of treason.

            So, what possible discussion could you have? Or do you enjoy using the Confederacy as your excuse to never hold down a real job?

          46. 788eddie August 17, 2017

            History lessons can be very instructive for those who would heed them, Jim.

          47. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            Nice lies and BS Samaras. Get a job you Hoboken slum bum.

          48. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            I just hope they find you before your body reeks of cat pi$$ the embalmer can’t eradicate Ellie

          49. Independent1 August 17, 2017

            You just can’t acknowledge and live with the truth, can you??

          50. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            The truth is attempting to erase history to placate butt hurt snowflakes who never should have been given a platform in the first place is insanity.

          51. Independent1 August 17, 2017

            The truth is that you’re living in denial of the catastrophe that Lee and other confederate soldiers inflicted on tens of thousands of American soldiers’ lives and the lives of thousands upon thousands of civilians who suffered through their acts of treason.

            It’s got nothing to do with snowflakes you worthless piece outright garbage crap!! You’re the ultimate of a dirtbag!!!

          52. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            Actually, the TRUTH is that if not for slavery bringing blacks to the US, of which was only one of many issues that caused the civil war, blacks would still be in Africa riding tigers and elephants. The sharp ones will admit that fact but tards like you want to whine. If your black you SHOULD be kissing our a$$es that we paid your ancestors who SOLD you into slavery and brought you here in the first place you d^ckhead!

          53. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            Do you believe that ripping a people from their lives and families and making them into slaves improved their lives. Would you like to be ripped from your would. We did them no favor.

          54. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            Of course not! We did no ripping it was other tribes who did that. Now did we purchase? Yes, as was the customs back then all over the world bob

          55. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            We put them on boats and shipped them here. Had we not bought them they would have ended up back at their home.

          56. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            Someone else would have bought them and perhaps never transformed them into the productive citizens that most are today. bob, the future may see how they prepare our chickens, steaks and fish today and think of it as reprehensible that we devoured these animals and treated them as we do for consumption. Would it be right to eliminate any trace of our history for what may be considered in a hundred years as barbaric?

          57. bobnstuff August 17, 2017

            History is important, even when it doesn’t make people look good. It’s from the mistake of the past that we can do better in the future. That being said though you can’t and shouldn’t live in the past and forcing people relive the pain of the past is isn’t a good thing. We must remember and learn.

          58. Eleanore Whitaker August 18, 2017

            So bascially, you believe if the Chinese coolies were never brought to Hawaii of their own volition, they’d still be in China? And the Israelites who were captured and made slaves of in Egypt would have been in Palestine? Wow.

            How about the Asian Indians captured as slaves by the Ottomans? Want more?

          59. The lucky one August 19, 2017

            C’mon Jim you’re not really comparing how we treat chickens today to how some have treated human beings through enslavement in the past as an excuse for that reprehensible behavior, are you?

          60. Jim Samaras August 19, 2017

            My point was that 200 years ago it was as common as anything. Then they thought what the Christians did in Salem was as reprehensible as we view slavery today. And it was and is

          61. The lucky one August 19, 2017

            I don’t see the Removal of a statue as “erasing history”. In the case of R E Lee they weren’t even destroying it but just moving it to a less prominent site on the edge of town.

            Man’s inhumanity to man always has been, is now and is likely for at least the foreseeable future. That doesn’t make any of it acceptable, then, now or in the future and there have always been those who resisted tyranny even when they were not personally affected.

          62. Eleanore Whitaker August 18, 2017

            Always up on the podium…always preaching distortions. The Plantations were 100 acres or more in size. Industrial planting and harvesting equipment had not yet been invented. So these plantation owners needed free slave labor to work those huge plantations and farms in order to reap any wealth.

          63. Eleanore Whitaker August 19, 2017

            Boy are you stupid! And a liar. I know several southern family names who not only bought and sold slaves but didn’t much care how they separated families. Start with the 11 Southern Plantations the Walton Family owned.

          64. dbtheonly August 17, 2017

            Jim, the economic issues separating North & South were alis

          65. Eleanore Whitaker August 18, 2017

            That’s so true. In history books, in order for the south to rebuild after the Civil War, they had to rely on the North for money.

            But, even more telling is what happened to plantations the minute their slaves were freed: Plantation owners were then forced to pay wages to white sharecroppers who resented like hell having to do the work slaves once did. That’s when their rage against blacks created the KKK.

            History shows that the number of sugar cane, cotton and tobacco plantations in the south by the year 1900 were nearly all gone and all as a result of plantation owners having to pay for the work they needed done.

            This is where conservatism also got its first toehold. Conservatives do not believe they should have to pay for what they need. They believe they are entitled to get free labor.

            That’s what this uprise of the White Nationalists is really all about: undereducated, lazy white males who want a race war so they can prove they won the 2nd Civil War and as a bonus take back their black and minority slaves. See how ridiculous that is?

          66. Eleanore Whitaker August 18, 2017

            You really need to study World History more. A. You’ll never be an actor except in your own pathetic mind. B. World History has proven over and over again that migrants have traveled the entire planet since the dawn of man.

            I’m guessing the fact that you live in a city overloaded with minorities, your pasty white face must make you feel inadequate?

            I’d check your ancestral DNA pallie. You are not pure Greek or pure anything. If you knew anything about world history, you’d realize NO country of the world has not had some form of migrants from other regions.

            Methinks, when Genghis Khan invaded your ancestral homeland, his hordes must have had a gang bang fest that eventually produced you.

            AS for you pissbrain. You need to get off your ass and get a job instead of sitting around in the second floor ghetto room of yours.

          67. The lucky one August 19, 2017

            You know Jim I’ve been reading your responses and maybe you’ve grown increasingly frustrated here and that is what is causing your meltdown. I try not to get personal if for no other reason than I think we are all somewhat in the dark about what is happening in our country, that and it’s pointless. But I must say that your comment about Africans riding tigers and even more so your statement that black Americans should thank white Americans for enslaving their ancestors is both hateful and foolish.

          68. Jim Samaras August 19, 2017

            Agreed, rather hurtful and hateful but idiots like Ellie and the other guy need some reality. I could have put it a different way but it’s the truth

          69. The lucky one August 19, 2017

            No, it’s not the truth it’s just your opinion. Of course you are entitled to it but I see no evidence to support it. No one wanted to be a slave and though many African Americans have prospered despite the disadvantages does not mean they should be thankful that their ancestors were enslaved.

            Personally I would prefer freedom living in a hut struggling for subsistence than being a slave fed, clothed and housed (often in a hovel not superior to the Bushman’s hut) but also subject to whippings, rape and seeing my family sold and taken away from me.

          70. Jim Samaras August 20, 2017

            If not for their ancestors being here the majority would not be living as well and they know it! I agree with your last statement except the democratic policies have done EXACTLY that to them minus the whippings, rapes and sales.

          71. The lucky one August 21, 2017

            Oh I’d say the oppression of people of color has been aided and abetted by both parties right along with their victimization of the poor and now increasingly the middle class of all skin tones. The government has always been of the people, for the rich and by the lackeys of the rich in what is now an entrenched duopoly and has always favored the rich who have used race, religion, sexual practices and whatever else they could to keep the “people” mistrusting each other so that they can maintain their place at the top. We are much closer to being a government by royal families than we are a democratic republic.

            Even though we can credit Trump with toppling the previous dynasties his nepotism, internal squabbling, self-aggrandizement and appointment of many unqualified sycophants to important government positions shows he is no different.

            Again your opinion that “the majority would not be living as well” had their ancestors not been enslaved is totally speculative with no evidence I can see to back it up. If early America had been open to all immigrants as the lady in the harbor proclaims whose to say that Africans would not have come here as freemen and prospered at least as well as Europeans

          72. Jim Samaras August 21, 2017

            How would they have gotten here on their own accord? They had no ships only tiny fishing boats. The evidence is how the predominance of the black population lives today in Africa. Even with the technology available they move forward at a snails pace if at all.

            Doesn’t it make you wonder why those monuments have been up for a hundred years and nobody seemed to mind up until now? Could it be because the democratic party may be in fear of losing the black vote due to this administration getting them off the plantation and into jobs and self respect? The left cannot have that lest they lose EVERY election for the next 50 years. Lose the black vote and there’s trouble indeed so why not tap into the emotions of blacks to take their eye off the real issues that matter to them. Stupid is as stupid does though. Most thinking Americans see through their last ditch effort in lieu of an actual plan to help.

          73. The lucky one August 22, 2017

            “Even with the technology available they move forward at a snails pace if at all.” Whereas we, with all our technology available continue our path of war instead of diplomacy and choosing profit over protecting the environment.

            “Most thinking Americans see through their last ditch effort in lieu of an actual plan to help.” Yes and I could say the same about the Repubs and Trump in particular.

          74. Jim Samaras August 20, 2017

            This is the truth you unmitigated nitwit. Read and learn dipstick


          75. Independent1 August 20, 2017

            You don’t seriously believe I’m so gullible as to believe any right-wing biased fabrication about the Civil War that a white supremacist lowlife like you would dig up off the internet and post a link to, do you??

          76. Jim Samaras August 21, 2017

            If you opened your small closed mind and even LOOK at it you’d see it’s not a website dipstick! Typical tard, you expect me to read your crap but mine is right wing hogwash. Your’e a fool of magnificent proportions. Fool!

          77. PrecipitousDrop August 21, 2017

            The article is 18 years old, written by Edward C. Smith, a former assistant professor of Anthropology at American University in Washington DC.*
            Prior to his retirement in 2014, Mr. Smith did not enjoy the high regard of Civil War historians.

            * Mr. Smith’s notice of retirement is found about halfway down:

          78. Independent1 August 21, 2017

            Thanks for checking it out and setting him straight!! I have yet to find in all my researching, one right-wing biased site that was not posting propaganda based on fabricating and distorting reality.

          79. Independent1 August 21, 2017

            As I just told PrecipitiousDrop, in all my researching, I have yet to find one right-wing biased site that does not post propaganda based on fabricating and distorting reality.

            You right-wingers just love to search out those obscure websites that post propaganda that satisfies the idiocies of your myopic distorted little minds.

            And if you don’t think that website you just posted a link to is a ‘website’ you’re even dumber than any of us on here have believed!! If you can link to it on the web, IT’S A WEBSITE!!!

          80. Independent1 August 20, 2017

            Sorry, I’m not accustomed to wasting my time reading right-wing propaganda websites that fabric reality!!!

          81. dtgraham August 17, 2017

            I read your link.

            The CEO of Crowds on Demand may have refused to provide specific details on the exact purpose of the craigslist ad for actors and/or why it was temporarily removed yesterday before being restored, but he denied to Snopes that his firm was involved in the Charlottesville protests at all.

            “We were not involved in any capacity with the recent tragic events in Charlottesville, Virginia. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of those impacted by the violence”

            Come on. To say that there wouldn’t have been enough people sufficiently motivated to protest against Klansmen and Nazis without paid actors being involved, is kind of ridiculous. It’s a slap in the face to American values.

          82. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            I said it was a thought dt not gospel. Yet is listening to this CEO say he had nothing to do with it any different than Assange with Wikileaks saying the Russia had nothing to do with the election? Same thing…

          83. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            That statue as stated by both the mayor of Charlottesville and Governor of VA was not historical. It was erected as they stated in 1991. Get over it.

            If you love the Confederacy so much, secede and we will treat you like you treat immigrants and minoritys: not allowed to cross or do business in our states.

          84. Independent1 August 17, 2017

            And just to make sure you see this dirtbag! Even General Lee did not want to see monuments made to Confederate soldiers.

            This was a reply I posted for Eleanor:

            And on top of all that, Lee opposed the creation of federal monuments for confederate soldiers – he knew they would create division:

            Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

            Not only did Lee oppose Confederate monuments, “he favored
            erasing battlefields from the landscape altogether,” Horn
            wrote. He even supported getting rid of the Confederate flag after the Civil War ended. He didn’t want it flying above Washington College, of which he was president after the war.

            “Lee did not want such divisive symbols following him to the
            grave,” Horn wrote. “At his funeral in 1870, flags were notably absent from the procession. Former Confederate soldiers marching did not don their old military uniforms, and neither did the body they buried.

            According to Horn, Lee’s daughter wrote, “His Confederate uniform would have been ‘treason’ perhaps!” “Lee believed countries that erased visible signs of civil war recovered from conflicts quicker,” Horn told PBS. “He was worried that by keeping these symbols alive, it would keep the divisions alive.”


          85. Jim Samaras August 18, 2017

            Suddenly now after 100 years you have figured this all out and are outraged by them huh? GFY

          86. Independent1 August 18, 2017

            What’s it got to do with just figuring it out after a 100 years CREEP?? Here’s another article you need to read that puts the vile southern attempt to enslave more people into perspective. You know what you can do with your evilness and hate!!

            Confederate monuments testify to the Union’s unfinished victory

            It is remarkable that scores of monuments and statues to the Confederacy, the losing side in the Civil War, were even erected in the first place. Consider that these symbols of a regime founded to defend slavery occupy hallowed public grounds — city parks, town squares, statehouses and courthouses.It’s almost as if Italy or Japan had erected statues honoring wartime leaders Benito Mussolini or Hideki Tojo in the decades following those countries’ defeats in World War II. Typically, the losing side in a war doesn’t get to pay public tribute to its leaders, especially when the cause is as repugnant as the subjugation and enslavement of an entire race. But that is the situation that the United States finds itself in today.

            The Confederate statues defended by Trump were not innocent manifestations of civic pride, but intentional assertions of white supremacy.


          87. Eleanore Whitaker August 19, 2017

            There is nothing illegal about pulling down statues of Confederate soldiers who were traitors to this country. First off, George Washington fought to keep states UNITED. Confederates fought to divide it. How is that NOT treason?

          88. Jim Samaras August 19, 2017

            Wrong again dipstick. It’s called vigilantism and last time I looked it was illegal. I’m done with you and this thread….till next debate

          89. Eleanore Whitaker August 19, 2017

            So basically, the American revolutionists should have let the Brits take over? You are such a stupid stupid stupid man.

            Try again. The only vigilante here is you. You actually think you can convince our military that defending our country on or off US soil is vigilantism?

            To show what a stupid Asslicking Nazi you are, you think it was fine and dandy that a bunch of beer swilling, fat gut, lazy bums armed with AR 15s and AK47 wearing NAZI swatikas and chanting racial and anti semitic slurs is NOT vigilantism?

            They didn’t get too far did they? We do NOT give rights to Nazis. What about that doesn’t a POS like you get?

            These right wing extremists don’t get to violate 1st Amendment rights by opening their stupid mouths like you do and think no one will stop them.

            When one of them pulled that in NY City on Friday, he got his mouth punched for getting in someone’s face. So go ahead big mouth. Try it. See if we vigilantes won’t stomp your ass in a mudhole.

          90. Jim Samaras August 20, 2017

            In a civil war the whites will wipe your black a$$es out with stupid comments like that you silly socialist Commy crunt. Of course you’ll be huddled in a corner with your thumb up your a$$ begging to blow someone for your life. FU

      3. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

        Most pyschos have that problem. They hear what only THEY want to hear. Sound familiar Jamesy old boy?

        How can you call yourself an American, hear Trump try to equate the left who have every right as Americans to defend their country IN their country from domestic terrorists like the right wingers who use the ISIS tactic of driving a Dodge Charger into a crowd of counter protestors?

        First of all, this was never about the statue of Robert E. Lee. It is about a bunch of low life bums who have way too much free time on their hands. It is about narrow minded morons who want the right to use racial slurs at anyone they feel it is their right to do so. Sorry, but the 1st Amendment Right doesn’t allow abuse of that right.

        As for you, Time for you and your right wingers to face the backlash that’s coming. No we will not support your right to go prancing throught our streets waving a Confederate flag. That makes YOU a traitor. Why not wave the black and white ISIS flag too while you are at it?

        Chew on this for a while if you have the guts:

        Here’s an interesting history lesson delivered by Congressman James Clyburne:

        “The Confederacy had three flags. This was never one of them,” Clyburn said. “This is a flag, the Confederate battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia, Robert E. Lee’s army.”

        “And when Robert E. Lee surrendered he asked all of his followers to furl this flag. Stow it away, he said. Put it in your attics,” Clyburn continued. “He refused to be buried in his Confederate uniform. His family refused to allow anyone dressed in the confederate uniform to attend his funeral.”

        “Why? Because Robert E. Lee said he considered this emblem to be a symbol of treason.

        So..that Confederate Flag was not even the flag of the entire Confederate Army. Get over it. We are not the plantation slaves of your lazy bum right wingers.

        1. Independent1 August 17, 2017

          And on top of all that, Lee opposed the creation of federal monuments for confederate soldiers – he knew they would create division:

          Here’s what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

          Not only did Lee oppose Confederate monuments, “he favored
          erasing battlefields from the landscape altogether,” Horn
          wrote. He even supported getting rid of the Confederate flag after the Civil War ended. He didn’t want it flying above Washington College, of which he was president after the war.

          “Lee did not want such divisive symbols following him to the
          grave,” Horn wrote. “At his funeral in 1870, flags were notably absent from the procession. Former Confederate soldiers marching did not don their old military uniforms, and neither did the body they buried.

          According to Horn, Lee’s daughter wrote, “His Confederate uniform would have been ‘treason’ perhaps!” “Lee believed countries that erased visible signs of civil war recovered from conflicts quicker,” Horn told PBS. “He was worried that by keeping these symbols alive, it would keep the divisions alive.”


      4. Independent1 August 17, 2017

        The only people that are listening to Trump and hearing anything that is remotely decent and worth repeating are you outright evil and corrupt people who are turning his hateful, evil words into some kind of fantasies that you create in your own psychopathic minds.

        1. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

          Well get used to it because he’ll be around another 7 1/2 years fool

          1. Independent1 August 17, 2017

            Wow!! Sorry to bust your little bubble LOWLIFE but Trump will be out of the Oval Office before year end 2017!!! He’ll have been in jail at least 7 years in the next 7 1/2 years!!!

          2. Jim Samaras August 17, 2017

            Right, click your heels three times and in your highest little voice repeat that a few times d^ckhead

          3. Independent1 August 17, 2017

            Trump Is Going to Resign Soon, President’s ‘Art of the Deal’ Writer Predicts

            Trump Is Just Six Senate Votes Away From Impeachment

          4. Independent1 August 17, 2017

            New emails suggest Moscow’s attempt to infiltrate the Trump campaign may have gone further than we knew

            Trump campaign foreign-policy adviser George Papadopoulos reportedly tried to set up multiple Trump-Russia meetings during the campaign, according to
            newly-reported emails.

            The emails suggest Moscow’s attempt to penetrate the Trump campaign may have involved more than just top advisers. National security experts say this is “definitely not the last we’ll hear” of lower-level aides being in contact with Russia. Revelations on Monday that George Papadopoulos, a short-term foreign-policy adviser on President Donald Trump’s campaign, tried to set up multiple meetings between candidate Trump and Russian leaders including Russian President Vladimir Putin, may shed more light on the extent of Russia’s efforts to recruit those within Trump’s orbit perceived as sympathetic to Moscow.

            Papadopoulos, a relatively inexperienced adviser who described himself as “a Russian intermediary,” sent six emails proposing Trump-Russia meetings between March and September of last year, according to The Washington Post, which first broke the story. Although it appears that Papadopoulos’ attempts yielded no results after multiple campaign officials expressed concerns about the legality of such meetings, the requests themselves signify that Russia’s efforts to infiltrate the Trump campaign may have extended to more than just high-ranking advisers.


          5. Eleanore Whitaker August 19, 2017

            We don’t need to click our heels pallie. It’s nuts like you who forget that we can make you and your dirty little secrets go viral on social media. Like Trump, you won’t like that.

          6. Eleanore Whitaker August 19, 2017

            I’m predicting he’ll be gone one way or the other by September.

          7. The lucky one August 19, 2017

            Doubtful. More so every day. If there was a way to do it I’d bet you even money he doesn’t last 4 years and 2 to 1 he doesn’t get a second term.

          8. Eleanore Whitaker August 19, 2017

            Oh no he won’t. Mueller already has Trump’s nuts in a knot over his past business deals with Russian oligarchs.

            And, the smelly little secret of the Republican Party is that they know Trump is totally incapable of leading this country.

            Had you given ANY thought to what that means to the Republican Party as a whole? It means they allowed a mentally defective CEO nut to run from their party. It means the Republican Party is also incapable of choosing a leader of the United States who is mentally stable and totally capable.

            But you go right ahead and keep voting for Republicans. I’m sure that when they lose the next 5 presidential elections because they’ve lost the trust of patriotic, loyal Americans, you nuts will join those of Trump’s.

            Trump will be gone by September. Count on it. I’ll remind you of MY prediction.

      5. PrecipitousDrop August 17, 2017

        “Do you…believe that BLM, while calling for “dead cops” is any less of a terror group than those who stood up for our monuments reflecting actual history…?”

        Black Lives Matter a “terror” group? No, sir. The “terror” is directed at every black citizen in the United States, every day, by law enforcement officers.

        The monuments to CSA traitors were installed and dedicated in the 20s, 40s, and 1960s — as symbols of white supremacy.

        You, Jim Samaras, are also a terrorist and a traitor. I expect you are proud of it.

  2. Dominick Vila August 16, 2017

    Those that equate acts of domestic terrorism to the violence exhibited by some protesters, are as repugnant as those who marched holding torches, wearing brown shirts, holding swastikas, chanting hail Trump, and using the Nazi salute to honor him.

    1. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

      Samaras and Deformed Voter would tell you Timothy McVeigh and bin Laden are innocent lambs we patriotic Americans created.

      Give them an inch and they take a yard. Ari Melber of the Beat, said it best, “These right wingers are domestic terrorists and they are losers who blame everyone else for their own misfortune.” How right he is.

  3. FireBaron August 16, 2017

    Hannity has a problem with reality. It does not conform with what he thinks it should, so he tries to change it. I would suggest he start by testing the truth about gravity by jumping out of a perfectly good working airplane at 10K feet.

    1. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

      Trump has his own reality. Murdoch has his. Bannon has his. Flynn and Manafort had theirs. Conway has hers. Kushner has his and Donny Jr and Ricky have their daddy’s.

      Wouldn’t you think all of those realities would crash into each other eventually?

    2. dpaano August 17, 2017

      He views the truth much like our illustrious pseudo president does…..which is a little backwards!

  4. Thoughtopsy August 16, 2017

    Who knew that a mix of feces and bile could hold human form and speak in somewhat literate sentences…?

    Fox News…always finding new ways to appall.

  5. stcroixcarp August 17, 2017

    FUX News is failing.

  6. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

    I don’t ever bother to watch Fox News. I loathe that old geezer Murdoch who owns it. Back in the mid 2000s when Murdoch was in the thick of that UK scandal where his UK medial hawkers tapped into private phone lines which got Murdoch and his 2 sons in huge trouble, he was interviewed by several US media journalists.

    This old geezer had the gall to say, “The only reason I became an American citizens is for the money.” Good. Deport him back to Australia. Oh that’s right. They don’t even want him.

    1. Dapper Dan August 17, 2017

      I genuinely don’t even know what the channel number is for Fox on my satellite service. More and more they’re a right wing propaganda machine for hate groups brainwashing the masses that tune in. The last time I had them on is to watch one of the Presidential debates. It’s nice to see their ratings declining as MSNBC is winning consistently now. If America continues to decline maybe my wife and I will move to Australia. Melbourne for the past 7 years has been called the most livable city in the world

      1. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

        When I was in grade school, the very best examples of propaganda I ever saw was in those black and white filmed speeches of Hitler. He sure could lay in on thick.

      2. Independent1 August 17, 2017

        I would suspect that Australia’s decision a couple decades back to remove about 5o% of the guns from their country, which has reduced the homicide, suicide and crime rates considerably in Australia, has helped in making Melbourne a more livable city.

  7. dpaano August 17, 2017

    Hannity is such a traitor to this country….it’s pitiful. THIS is where “false news” comes from! If anyone believes otherwise, they are totally misinformed!


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