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Steinem And Albright’s Comments Supporting Clinton Anger Young Feminists

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Steinem And Albright’s Comments Supporting Clinton Anger Young Feminists

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Hillary Clinton needs young women to maintain her status as the Democrats’ inevitable presidential nominee. And Clinton is the most likely candidate in history to shatter the highest glass ceiling in American political life. But lately, her support among women, especially young women, has shown signs of erosion — and recent comments by two leading feminists in support of her candidacy have created a new obstacle, ironically enough.

During a Friday night appearance on “Real Time with Bill Maher,” Gloria Steinem, an icon of 1960’s second-wave feminism, said of younger feminists: “They’re going to get more activist as they grow older. And when you’re younger, you think: ‘Where are the boys? The boys are with Bernie.'”

The following day, Madeleine Albright, one of the country’s best known secretaries of state and the first woman to hold that position, told a crowd at a Clinton rally: “There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other.” The crowd didn’t seem troubled by Albright’s remarks, and in response chanted “Madam President” — a common refrain for Albright, who used it against Barack Obama when he was running for the Democratic nomination in 2008.

Across social media, however, young women lambasted the two feminist icons for their comments, painting them as condescending and sexist. Some took issue with Steinem’s initial comment, others with her response to the uproar. Steinem said her comments had been “misinterpreted.” Moumita Ahmed, one of the leaders of the Millennials for Bernie movement, told The Guardian , “Gloria Steinem’s statement was the worst kind of sweeping generalization I’ve heard in years about women my age.”

But hearing those remarks from a feminist icon was even more surprising and hurtful.  “I identify as a feminist,” said Ahmed. “I’m not sure how she could admit us young women are graduating with more debt and earning less money, then say young women are supporting Bernie Sanders to impress all the boys.”

In a Facebook post on Sunday, Steinem responded to the anger, writing, “What I had just said on the same show was the opposite: young women are active, mad as hell about what’s happening to them, graduating in debt, but averaging a million dollars less over their lifetimes to pay it back. Whether they gravitate to Bernie or Hillary, young women are activist and feminist in greater numbers than ever before.”

Albright’s comments provoked similar excoriations. In an opinion piece for The Washington Post, reporter Janell Ross wrote, “The weekend collection of comments about young women and what they ‘ought to do’ in relationship to Hillary Clinton is, no doubt, insulting.” A simple search of Albright on Twitter revealed widespread anger with her comments. She has made comments about the “special place in hell” since at least 2004, during a panel at her and Clinton’s alma mater, Wellesley College. But after Steinem’s appearance on “Real Time,” Albright’s usually uncontroversial comment simply added fuel to the fire.

It is undeniable that today’s feminist movement includes a new generation of millennial activists who have built on the contributions and sacrifice of women like Clinton, Steinem and Albright. But many of these young feminists also focus on  class and socioeconomic issues that they consider as important as gender politics.

Affected by the gender pay gap, at a time where America faces the greatest levels of inequality since the Gilded Age, younger women see Bernie Sanders’ focus on socioeconomic justice taking precedence over electing the country’s first female president. That appears to be why millennial women voted for Sanders by a margin of 6 to 1 in the Iowa caucuses. And in New Hampshire, he leads Clinton by two points overall among women voters.

Meanwhile, Clinton has come out in defense of her friends. On Sunday she said told MSNBC’s “Meet The Press,” “Madeline has been saying this for many, many years. She believes it firmly, in part because she knows what a struggle it has been, and she understands the struggle is not over.” Whether or not that will make a difference to the slim majority of New Hampshire women voters now rooting for Sanders remains to be seen. It is possible that Albright and Steinem may have driven a few more voters in his direction.

Photo: Hillary Clinton takes the stage at a “Get Out the Vote” campaign rally in Manchester, New Hampshire February 8, 2016.  REUTERS/Brian Snyder   

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  1. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

    Steinam and Albright: all liberal women should support Hillary because they share the same anatomy.

    Nope, no sexism there at all.

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    1. Jake Hawkes February 9, 2016

      That’s not what they said and unless you are completely brain dead you know it.
      Gloria Steinam has devoted her life to the advancement of women.

      “Ms. Steinem helped to found the Women’s Action Alliance, a pioneering national information center that specialized in nonsexist, multiracial children’s education, and the National Women’s Political Caucus, a group that continues to work to advance the numbers of pro-equality women in elected and appointed office at a national and state level. She also co-founded the Women’s Media Center in 2004. She was president and co-founder of Voters for Choice, a pro-choice political action committee for twenty-five years, then with the Planned Parenthood Action Fund when it merged with VFC for the 2004 elections. She was also co-founder and serves on the board of Choice USA (now URGE), a national organization that supports young pro-choice leadership and works to preserve comprehensive sex education in schools. She was the founding president of the Ms. Foundation for Women, a national multi-racial, multi-issue fund that supports grassroots projects to empower women and girls, and also a founder of its Take Our Daughters to Work Day, a first national day devoted to girls that has now become an institution here and in other countries. She was a member of the Beyond Racism Initiative, a three-year effort on the part of activists and experts from South Africa, Brazil and the United States to compare the racial patterns of those three countries and to learn cross-nationally. She is currently working with the Sophia Smith Collection at Smith College on documenting the grassroots origins of the U.S. women’s movement, and on a Center for Organizers in tribute to Wilma Mankiller, Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation. As links to other countries, she helped found Equality Now, Donor Direct Action and Direct Impact Africa.”

      You cannot name another person who has done as much for the advancement of women in society….and you take one of her statements out of context and call her sexist?

      You are truly pathetic.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

        Men love to twist what women say. All women know this from birth. It’s a male mechanism to do as they damn well please but let any woman do the same and SHE SHE SHE is to be drawn and quartered or burned at the stake. This is our American men?

      2. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

        The only people who are pathetic are the ones who let gender decide who they vote for. I call people out when they make sexist statements. If you can’t handle that, it’s not my problem.

        1. Jake Hawkes February 9, 2016

          The problem is: you speak out of ignorance. If you had even bothered to make a casual attempt to find out something about Steinem you would have know how stupid your comment was. If you had even watched the Real Time episode where the comment was made, you could have seen the context in which it was given.

          Gloria Steinem has faced the worst kind of attacks by chauvinistic assholes, politicians and even ignorant women…and she has proven to be a steadfast hero for women in the US and around the world.

          So, who are you to criticize her? Just what have you done to advance the cause of the most marginalized of our society? You call making snide comments about one of the icons of the women’s movement helping?

          Pathetic isn’t a strong enough word for you…..

          1. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            I never miss an episode of Real Time. Even Bill was wowed when she said it. I know this is difficult for you to comprehend but criticizing one statement does not discredit all her good work any more than all her good work gives her a pass for making sexist statements. Your blind fanaticism is what is pathetic here.

            Here’s a little something more for ya if you want to talk context.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkIbhbBTKLA

          2. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            Sanders is too old and too unrealistic for women to support…YOu only support him because he has testicles..Admit it.

          3. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-millennial-women-20160203-story.html

            You were saying? I guess all those young women who support Bernie in greater numbers than Hillary are all really just secret men with hidden testicles and inverted penises.

          4. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            I am saying that the Great Saint Bernard hasn’t a chance to win. Since men are only 48% of the US population and the only women falling for his BS stories are the Corn Pone Queens and Dixie Belles, he will be another Ross Perot….as for Hillary..you can’t compete with her on any level…makes your balls shrink ten sizes right?

          5. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            I present evidence that more young women support Bernie than they do Hillary and all you can do is attack me for being a man. It would be sad if it wasn’t so funny.

          6. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            More young women? or women who are financially dependent on men…and it won’t do Sanders a whit of good..The majority of women in the US today according to the last US Census are women over the age of 60…try again…You are just one big baby your McMommy spoiled for far too long.

            Why aren’t you working? You sit day after day on threads posting like a mad man proving how ineffectual you are as a man. Not to mention as an unproductive human being. Time for you little boys to grow the hell up. Women are not going to tolerate anymore of your all too expensive tantrums.

          7. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            Internet psychic Ellie strikes again. There is no assumption that she can’t get wrong.

          8. Eleanore Whitaker February 11, 2016

            No you didn’t…the BBC which isn’t owned by the all male media like in the US has Hillary ahead of Sanders and Trump 6 points…So ..what this proves is that men are so desoerate to get rid of Hillary they will deliberately screw up the numbers…Try again hot shot..you are down down down down for the count. BAlls said the Queen….If I had ’em I’d be king.

          9. @HawaiianTater February 11, 2016

            Dang. That’s gotta hurt. Look at all those men who are “desorate” to get rid of Hillary! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a8e5d18d9febd6b8a2b322335130da39370e4cb71fbb5804d46be5344514161a.png

          10. Jake Hawkes February 9, 2016

            You really don’t get it do you?

            Read all the things Gloria Steinem has done in her life and then ask yourself if it is even possible that she would make a sexist statement. Anyone’s words can be taken out of context and made to sound frankly awful. That can’t be news to you…or can it?

            You calling her sexist would be the same as if Donald Trump called Jimmy Carter a devil worshipper. The very idea is ridiculous. The chutzpah of it stunning!

            I have a lot of problems with Hillary too…especially her support for Israel and her statements condemning BDS. But I have an even bigger problem with people that make up lies about her for political reasons.

            And don’t waste your time promoting Bernie to me. I agree with almost all of his positions although he is no better than Hillary on the Israel/Palestine issue. But I don’t think he can be elected and I surely don’t want to take any chances that might result with a president from the clown car that is the field of Republican candidates…

          11. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            Jake, I don’t think Gloria Steinem is sexist. I think maybe she didn’t think it through what she was saying and it came out sounding sexist. It does not discredit all the multitudes of wonderful work she has done over the years. Maybe she just had a brain fart. It happens to the best of us.

          12. Jake Hawkes February 9, 2016

            Then shouldn’t you give her the benefit of the doubt?

          13. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            If we can just calm down for a second… yes, I give her the benefit of the doubt but also yes, what she said did sound sexist. I really don’t think she meant anything by it though and it didn’t cause me to have a lowered opinion of her. It is what it is. Really, I think the whole thing has been blown way out of proportion.

    2. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

      You voted for men your entire voting life…why? Not gender biased? Show us how that isn’t gender bias?

      1. The lucky one February 9, 2016

        How the hell do you know who Tater voted for, or why? I would like to see more from every segment of the population running for office, including women but to believe someone is a good or a bad candidate due to their gender is exceedingly naive.

        1. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

          Well let’s see how I know who a MAN like you and Tater voted for….44 presidents…ALL men…give you a clue yet? You are a liar…Men have just as much opportunity to put women out there from their back room party boss meetings…they don’t..The women in Congress and in Executive board rooms are outnumbered 10 to 1 by MEN…what the hell does that tell you fool?

          1. The lucky one February 9, 2016

            Well if the women in question are like you I’d say it’s because the men are smarter because frankly you are pretty stupid.

            I am flattered that you think tater and i are responsible for choosing all the presidents but most of them were elected before i was born and i have actually picked very few winners so far. maybe I’ll do better this time with my vote for BERNIE, the only ethical candidate in the race.

        2. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

          Ellie thinks all Bernie supporters are anti-Hillary because they are sexist. She conveniently ignores the fact that I voted for Gabbard and Hirono. I’m also a huge fan of Warren, who I would have happily voted for to be POTUS. But, since I support Bernie over Hillary, it’s because I’m a sexist dog.

          1. The lucky one February 9, 2016

            I don’t know why i waste time on her. She is addicted to her victimhood she can’t see that i agree with her more often than not but i have gonads so i am automatically a villain.
            Cheers

      2. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

        My apologies, Ellie. I forgot to include Whitaker in Steinam, Albright and Whitaker. My bad. It won’t happen again.

        Your psychic powers have failed you once again. I am proud to support Gabbard and Hirono. Unlike you, I don’t let gender decide who I vote for. I vote for the person and their policies, regardless of their gender. You should give it a try sometime.

        1. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

          No apologies from you accepted…Your attempts at patronization doesn’t work with me buster…I’ve been completely surrounded my entire life by men…in sales and the “all male field of engineering.”

          YOu men make me laugh..Sure…you will support the women who are not Numero Uno and equal to you…who do you guys think you are fooling?

          Men and their competition games are ridiculously out of touch with today’s highly educated women. You don’t want to have to compete with ANY woman..all that Testosterone prevents any female equality …admit it.

          1. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            Ellie, you exposed your sexism long ago. Trying to have a rational discussion with you is like talking science to a creationist. I could do it but it would be a complete waste of time.

          2. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            YOu bet I do..Your sexism drips like Niagara Falls in every one of your Mr. MAN posts. I won’t cave to your need to prove your male superiority. A woman brought you here. Women don’t need bully males to run our lives anymore…get over it.

          3. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            Here’s a newsflash for ya, Ellie: SOME of us care about things other than gender. Like, I have a big damned problem with Hillary being a war hawk and a Wall Street puppet. I have a problem with the fact that she got the Iraq vote wrong. I have a problem with the fact that she does not want to reinstate Glass-Steagal or break up the big banks. I have a problem with the fact that she wants a no-fly zone over Syria. I have a problem with the fact that she supports a capitalist form of health care. I have a problem with the fact that she only came out in support of gay marriage when it because popular amongst the public. You know what I don’t have a problem with? Her gender. It’s YOU who makes everything about man vs. woman. I happen to care about policy and I don’t want a president whose main priority is looking our for the interests of the elite. If you care more about electing a woman than you do about policies, then you go right ahead and vote for her. That’s your own prerogative. But don’t act like everyone who opposes Hillary is somehow sexist, because there are more young women who choose to support Bernie over your girl. Wait, that doesn’t fit your narrative. Oops.

          4. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            No you don’t you liar. Do you men EVER stop lying? Or is lying the new truth to you? If you cared about things other than gender, women in government and big business wouldn’t be outnumbered 10 to 1 even in 2016..Here’s something you damn well should have been caring about…Why does a female surgeon earn $69 less per paycheck than a male surgeon?

            YOu can pretend your vainglorious BS act all you like but it still comes down to YOU a MAN asking women to overlook their own gender in favor of yours. You might play your tantrum pulling games with McWifie or McMommie but some of us raised sons and we didn’t allow them to always get THEIR WAY.

          5. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            The words are there. Try reading them and understanding their meaning instead of assuming everyone fits into your delusional narrative.

          6. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            Your big baby words are all too obvious…You men just loathe the word “NO”…in any form. No..I won’t allow you to bash women..NO I refuse to cave to your pathetic, childish need to get your way. NO this is NO longer a “man’s world” and NO I don’t intend to vote for Sanders..I’d vote for that idiot Cruz first. Men like you are so wrapped up in your own gender, you can’t see beyond the veils of your Testosterone laden BS.

          7. RED February 9, 2016

            I didn’t know people like this actually existed. I find it hard to believe that Eleanore is for real. It’s kinda frightening!!

        2. RED February 9, 2016

          I’m gonna guess working with Ellie at your job would have been a real treat!! “Good morning, Ellie.” Response:”quit patronizing me with your male ego and trying to keep me down.” “Hey Ellie, could you work late tonight?” Response:”why ’cause I’m a woman, all men are the same.” And God forbid if you asked if she wanted some coffee!!!!

          1. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            Ever gone out on a date with a woman who got mad at you for opening a door for her? lol

    3. Eleanore Whitaker February 11, 2016

      Tater Tot stupidly expects women to support the male gender and not our own? Wow..is he a mental case of what? Women who don’t support their own gender are the “DAddy Take Care of Me” women…not the “I can take care of myself women.”

      Tater Tot hates any woman who he knows can take care of herself without any help from ANY man. oooooooh…and doesn’t that shrink his testicle down to raisins?

  2. mary beardslee February 9, 2016

    If Elizabeth Warren was running I would vote for her. I’am a 73 year old feminist and I am not looking for the boys. Albright you can rot in hell for supporting Hillary .Take Gloria Steinam with you.

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

      If you are a 73 year old feminist, you are NOT a feminist but a male plant…admit it. I’m 69 and I know for a fact that women of your age were still kissing up to men who supported you financially. Try again…and tell us…what is your real gender?

      1. The lucky one February 9, 2016

        Give it a rest Eleanore your female chauvinism is getting pretty tired. How dare a woman disagree with your opinion? Personally I have more respect for women than to believe they should all think alike.

        1. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

          I dare because I don’t owe you any credence to your male posts…Women disagree with my opinions all the time..YOu aren’t a woman…So..I am disagreeing with a man who can’t take it…Man up fool.

          And of course with your double standards, you ONLY respect women who sit up and beg.

          1. The lucky one February 9, 2016

            I am incapable of a “female post” just as you are incapable of a “male post”, that’s just the way it is no matter what the post says. But when someone disagrees with me I don’t call them a fool or say their opinion is only based in prejudice as you do. You think you are so smart and insightful that you can see into everyone’s soul based on a few blog posts. I can only speak for myself but you know nothing about me as a person so I infer that you are way off base on your other characterizations as well.

            You often, actually ad infinitum, claim women are held back simply because they are women but fail to realize that you are dismissive of anyone’s disagreement with your OPINION merely because they are male. You even accuse women who think differently from you of being a male plant or else brainwashed.

          2. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            Grow some ovaries…then you will be capable..but I can tell you that you won’t like the results…it will mean you lose that male supremacy.

            You are a fool if you think any woman today is going to hide her education or her experience in her career because men have to always be Numero Uno. Those days are over. Get over it.

          3. The lucky one February 9, 2016

            Seems like you are the one who can’t get over it. You’re still whining about something you yourself say is over.

            You are so ignorant it’s pathetic, i actually feel sorry for you a little but willful ignorance such as yours is never pretty. I am a massage therapist, a field traditionally dominated by women and still roughly 80% female. i could whine about the obstacles that presented to my success but i chose to just be the best MT I could be and have been very successful.

            Grow up or get over yourself.

      2. mary beardslee February 9, 2016

        You have a problem Eleanore . Many of us think Hillary has no integrity its about her not us. Bait and switch persona pocketing millions from corporations is not progressive. I would love to see a women in the white house but not a Clinton. Go Bernie……..

      3. RED February 9, 2016

        Yep, Ellie has gone off the deep end!! Of course, the response will be that because I’m a man I think all women have gone off the deep end and I’m frightened by powerful women and I would only accuse a woman of being crazy. You have truly lost it Eleanor and have even turned against the women who actually support your cause.

    2. Jake Hawkes February 9, 2016

      Gloria Steinem and Hillary Clinton have devoted their lives and their careers to the advancement of women.

      Just what have you done in that area?

      Albright was right; if there was a Hell, there would be a place for you there….

      1. The lucky one February 9, 2016

        Gloria Steinem and Hillary Clinton have devoted their lives and their careers to the advancement of themselves.

        1. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

          And George W. Bush and Herr Cheney didn’t? How about Charles and David Koch? How about Rumsfeld? How about …tah dah….RICE?

          1. The lucky one February 9, 2016

            I’m sure my opinion of those you just mentioned doesn’t differ much from yours. Yes i would take Clinton over any of the GOP candidates but it would definitely be a lesser of two evils choice.

          2. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            I am sure they do…YOu men all play your silly little boy games you learned at Daddy’s knee. How to pretend equality for women when it’s anything but.

            Too many men think MAN first, woman second..Well, how does it feel when women turn the tables and do the same to men? Don’t like it much…So much for the accusations of gender bias.

            I want a woman in the White House because women think differently than men. I want a woman in the White House because women of the younger generations need to believe in their own sense of leadership and intelligence. Another man in the White House for another 8 years tells the younger women they just can’t “measure up” and why not? After all, the measuring stick is man made and is double sided to prevent women from getting ahead of any man…you fool no one with that BS act.

          3. The lucky one February 9, 2016

            Or maybe another man in the Whitehouse says that women are not as willing to prostitute themselves as men are, but wait HRC proves me wrong on that count.

            Women may think differently than men, though i think many of both genders think alike with only a few daring to think differently than the herd, but I’ve never seen any evidence that they think better. As Churchill famously remarked when asked whether men or women were smarter, Which man and which woman?

          4. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            Ah there it is ladies…Finally…The lucky one proves to you what men really think of super smart women…prostitutes..goes right for the sexual label…And you must be a male political pimp then…you suck up to those candidate line your pockets don’t you?

          5. The lucky one February 9, 2016

            You are so blinded by your bias that you can’t see what i said, that women are maybe not as willing to prostitute themselves as men. HRC would be an exception though as she is just as crooked as any male pol.

          6. RED February 9, 2016

            You don’t seem to recognize that you’re not arguing with ignorant Cons, you’re attacking Progressives, the very people who support equality.

          7. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            Attacking someone who is on your side because they don’t 100% exactly line up with your views is a Republican tactic if I’ve ever seen one.

        2. Jake Hawkes February 9, 2016

          That is absolute BS!

          If you believe that, you don’t know anything about either one of those women. Hillary graduated from Yale Law School and could have gone for a cushy job at almost any prestigious law firm. She turned down several lucrative offers to work for the Children’s Defense Fund. Her entire career has been about “making what appears to be impossible, possible.”

          So unless you’ve got some documentation to back up your BS, STFU!

          http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/04/13/heres-a-list-of-hillary-clintons-accomplishments-so-quit-saying-she-doesnt-have-any/

          1. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            He has to believe that…if he didn’t, his male gender bias wouldn’t be so obvious to everyone but him.

          2. The lucky one February 9, 2016

            HRC’s record speaks for herself. i don’t have time to do your research for you. I don’t care about what a good person she once may have been. She is much a lackey of the big banks and corporations such as Monsanto as any of the others.

          3. Jake Hawkes February 10, 2016

            Assertions made without any proof can be dismissed without any proof…
            HRC’s record does speak for itself: http://correctrecord.org/the-points/attack-right-wing-ignores-hillary-clintons-achievements-as-senator/
            It’s so funny you don’t have time to back up what you say but you have time to tell a bunch of lies…..

          4. The lucky one February 10, 2016

            Actually i have told no lies. i expressed my opinion which is different than yours so you took umbrage. my only mistake was including Steinem. She took up feminist issues because she was negatively impacted by cultural stereotypes and the opportunities available to women. She did it to enhance her own career but did also open up the situation for other women. Good for her and she did it without sucking up to the big banks and mercenary corporations like Monsanto as HRC has done.

            HRC supported the invasion of Iraq. She won’t say how she feels about mandatory GMO labeling but her cozy relationship with Monsanto speaks loudly enough. She hired Jerry Crawford, a law and lobbying specialist whose most prominent client was Monsanto to help run her campaign. She also receives a large amount of campaign financing from the bankers who crashed the economy.

            I could go on but I’m sure it wouldn’t have any effect on you. Try investigating both sides rather than just what supports your opinion.

          5. The lucky one February 10, 2016

            HRC’s top contributors:
            1. Citigroup Inc $824,402
            2. Goldman Sachs $760,740
            3. DLA Piper $700,530 – Global law firm invested in TPP
            4. JPMorgan Chase & Co $696,456
            5. Morgan Stanley $636,564
            12. Lehman Brothers $362,853

            As I said her record speaks for itself, but maybe you think she will take over 4 mil from bankers (not including speaking fees) and then enforce effective regulations on them or seek to break up the “too big to fail” banks.

          6. Jake Hawkes February 10, 2016

            Those figures are for her entire career.
            These are the figures for her presidential run in 2016:

            Soros Fund Management $7,037,800
            We all know George Soros

            Saban Capital Group $2,534,214
            Haim Saban is an Israeli and American media proprietor, investor, musician, record, film & television producer.

            Paloma Partners $2,505,400
            Management Consultant Service

            Herb & Marion Sandler/Sandler Foundation $2,502,700
            Private contributor

            Women’s Self Worth Foundation $2,500,001
            Self explanatory

            Plumbers/Pipefitters Union $2,005,000
            Organized labor

            Pritzker Group $1,811,343
            Venture Capital company

            So show me one decision that Hillary has made that was colored by her contributors?

            I’ll give you one for free and it’s the reason I won’t vote for her or Bernie: She opposes BDS because many of her loyal followers are Zionists or at least Israel supporters.

          7. The lucky one February 11, 2016

            She voted for the Iraq invasion and supports Monsanto’s agenda to prevent food labeling so that’s two more. She says she opposes TPP now, after supporting it until Sanders forced her to move her rhetoric a bit to the left, but does anyone believe her? I don’t. Sanders may have warts but he’s the only one that has even a tiny bit of integrity, at least among the front runners.

          8. Jake Hawkes February 11, 2016

            Neither one of those could be construed to be the result of her campaign contributions.

            I can forgive her for voting for the Iraq invasion (although it was obviously a wrong decision) since Bush and Cheney cooked up so much faulty intelligence on WMD and a Saddam Hussein/al Qaeda connection that plenty of otherwise sane people were fooled.

            I can also understand why she supported the TPP since she was expected to be a team player when she was part of the Obama administration, and I’m glad that she has now come out against it now.

            I didn’t know that she is against genetically modified food labeling and that is another good reason to not want to vote for her.

            Here’s what I think: I think she is one of those people who has dedicated herself to public service. She is intelligent, she has the most experience and qualifications to be president of anyone currently running for the office, and she has done some really good things for some of the most under-represented and marginalized people in our society.

            I have a great deal of respect for her although I don’t agree with her on several issues. I don’t think she can be bought but she is a politician and a realist and does bend in the political wind just like everyone else…including Bernie. I really like Bernie and if he supported freeing Palestine and if he had a chance of winning in the general election, I would vote for him….but he doesn’t…so I won’t.

            And as I said before, I can’t vote for Hillary because of her firm stance against BDS and the Palestinians, and I wouldn’t even ever dream of voting for any of the Republican wing nuts… so, what do I do?

          9. The lucky one February 11, 2016

            We’re not that far apart except for a few things. I won’t forgive her for supporting the Iraq invasion though I know many others were duped by Bush/Cheney duplicity. She and they shouldn’t have been. it’s not like the leopards suddenly changed their spots. Both Bush and Cheney and the other neocons had a long history showing their agenda. Many were not fooled including Bernie Sanders.

            I too am glad she has now showed mild antipathy to TPP but believe that further on she will claim there is a “new and improved” version which she does support. We shall see if she gets in.

            “She is intelligent, she has the most experience and qualifications to be president of anyone currently running for the office” I pretty much agree with that but not “she has done some really good things for some of the most under-represented and marginalized people in our society” Perhaps if you have time you can enlighten me. I don’t have much respect for her but i would certainly take her over any of the GOP yahoos and strongly believe that a Trump or Cruz presidency would be even more of a disaster than what we have had for the past 40 years. It would be proof that there is no political solution (maybe it’s already proven but I try to retain some optimism),

            So your question. “what do I do?” is apt. Do we vote for the lesser of two evils, vote 3rd party or just give up? I retire this year and will have more time so i plan to devote my time to grassroots revolution, for lack of a better term. Trump is right that we need to make America great though his adding “again” to his slogan shows his ignorance of American history. His path to “greatness” is really the steamrolling of America into oblivion.

      2. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

        She (if she is actually a “she” and not a “he”) claims to be 73…you know the women of that age are not Boomers…they were the brats of the Eisenhower generation who grew up believing they would be “taken care” of…by a man. That’s why women over 70 hate an Alpha woman who is successful and didn’t ever need a man to support them.

        1. mary beardslee February 9, 2016

          I was divorced and raised 2 children 1 is a attorney the other a engineer. After divorce went back to school and became a nurse. I was never taken care of by anyone . No child support or help with kids college education.

          1. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            You are still not a Boomer…Boomer women were born from 1946 to 1964…I was also a single mom, supported 2 sons and raised them to be successful. Your post bashed Gloria Steinmen and Madeline Albright..you left out Bela Abzug…I noticed.

            When you bash your own gender, all you do is suck up to men…you obviously don’t care much about the future generations of women.

          2. RED February 9, 2016

            IS there anyone, male or female who meets your standards?

          3. mary beardslee February 9, 2016

            who gives a sh—–if I am a boomer woman-I read Steinmens books and Was behind her. Times have changed.Hillary’s world is wall street and how to please Netanahu-Aipac.

          4. mary beardslee February 9, 2016

            No I care for future generations of all. Bernie for pres,

      3. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

        The lucky one isn’t a woman…He pretending to sidle up to women..wink wink nod nod and you know the rest of his script by now.

    3. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

      “If Elizabeth Warren was running….” dead giveaway that every man who fakes proving he isn’t gender biased uses.

      1. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

        Ellie is so delusional that even a 73 year old feminist must be a man because she does not support Hillary. It’s kinda sad. You should seek help.

        1. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

          Ellie isn’t delusional…she’s truthful…something so called men like you can’t stand. That’s why even in prison you BS artists still outnumber women..and with all that so called intelligence too.

          1. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            LMAO! You just claimed you’re not delusional while referring to yourself in the third person. That’s freakin’ classic. If nothing else, that laugh made this thread worth it.

          2. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            You only prove why men like you are morons…Nitpicking…that’s all you men know how to do when you know you have lost an argument to a woman. Is that all you could find to TRY and prove I’m delusional…Some untrue nitpicky little piece of BS?

            You are sexist macho and self-important and you have a superiority complex that is not valid. Try again super boy.

          3. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            No. Please. Stop. You can’t top that last one. Don’t even try. It was too glorious.

          4. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            And through what male edict of validation do you think I must obey your command Oh Grand Pubbah of Upper Butt Crack? Bowing down and kissing butt might be good for McWifie of McMommy…sorry…I don’t cave to your need to prove your superiority…or to allow you the last word to prove your MANhood.

          5. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            Your rants today have been thoroughly entertaining but nothing will top saying you’re not delusional while referring to yourself in the third person. That wins the internet for the day.

          6. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            And he goes for the word “rant” …the keywood men love to use on women…try again hot shot..Your posts haven’t exactly competed with Ghandi or Einstein.

          7. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            Yup. Rant.

            Eleanore Whitaker • 3 minutes ago

            They say Hillary can’t be trusted…okay…prove what it is she can’t be trusted about…Was it her four years as Secretary of State when she ignored 6 memos of an al Qaeda attack? No..wait that was her predecessor…Nanny Rice former CEO of Texas Instruments. Was it when HIllary as a First Lady allowed her two drunken daughters to cavort all over NY City? No..wait..that was Laura Bush.

            It must have been when she spent most of her earlier years being the head of the International Women’s Rights group that women learned not to trust all those donations she handed to women in the poorest countries of the world.

            But let’s all trust Sanders..who only wants to debate Hillary in the all Jewish Brooklyn enclave where his buddies Dov Hikind, Silverstein and Felder can make “small donations” to his campaign.


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            Eleanore Whitaker

            16 minutes ago

            So a man accuses me of gender bias when all he has ever voted for in
            elections is a man? Then, he says, “gender shouldn’t matter?” Really?
            When that “gender” that doesn’t matter is woman of course to a man “it
            shouldn’t matter.” Let that one continue and women remain on the back
            burners in everything they do.

            You can understand the good ole
            good ole Mutton Chops and Corn Pone Kings relying on that autocratic
            BS..but when younger men do it, you see that their gender is ALL they
            care about.

            Oh sure…they act as if they are the great protectors
            of the weaker sex and flowers of womanhood…until a smart, highly
            educated woman like Hillary Clinton comes along and starts to give all
            those delicate flowers ideas that women don’t have to always be second
            in line to the dog and cat and his bully boy pickup.

            In boards
            rooms across the US, in churches and in government…The Testosterone
            overflows and with it the male superiority act that’s as phony as their
            sweet lines to attract women.

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            Eleanore Whitaker

            31 minutes ago

            Ooooooh….oooooooh….How dare women support OUR gender!!!!! What a
            national affront to MANHOOD….How dare ANY woman think she is
            EQUAL…after all the guys did “let” us think wer were when Roe vs. Wade
            was passed right? and Wow! How dare we think a woman can be president?
            Why she must be some kind of tramp or slut right? She can’t possibly be
            as smart as a man…you know…A female Commander-in-Chief? Unheard of!

            Now,
            if only women were restricted from being educated…wouldn’t that be
            just dandy? Men could rely on their Boys Will Be Boys act as they did
            for centuries. And women? Well, pregnant, barefoot and stupid…that’s
            good enough for them.

            Think again.

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            Eleanore Whitaker

            35 minutes ago

            The joke women all know about men? The minute any woman wins an
            argument, the sexist labels start…prostitute, whore, slut….and
            anything else they think will savage our self-respect…Sorry boys..my
            self-respect has NEVER been based on what ANY man thinks of me…but do
            get yourselves to a confessional…and your minds out of the gutters.

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            Eleanore Whitaker

            41 minutes ago

            To prove how biased men are….take a good long look at every state
            party boss…ALL MEN. These are the guys who choose the candidates they
            believe are most capable of winning. Now..look at who the GOP
            chose…one failed CEO female…and that isn’t supposed to send women in
            the US the subliminal message that Fiorina as a failed CEO who was
            blessed by her male chieftains with only 2 years to prove she could do
            what it takes men decades to do, is what men in the US think of women?
            How pathetic does it need to get?

            When Sen. Warren took on big
            mouth Jamie Dimon of J.P. Morgan Chase, he went right for her gender in
            response to her threat to fine the 6 biggest banks who refuse to comply
            with the 2009 banking regulations. “So fine me. We can afford.” Who is
            “we?” the other 6 big banking men?

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            Eleanore Whitaker

            an hour ago

            Nothing to see here ladies…just another manly report trying to sink
            Hillary’s chances. Whenever men can’t get their way, they stoop so low,
            their spines begin to curve.

            Men in journalism know all they have
            to do is make up a few well chosen keywords like anger the younger
            feminists, and all of the older feminists will just fall over in awe and
            refuse to vote for Hillary. How desperate do these men need to get?

            Men
            love to say women who support women are gender biased. Oh really? And
            just what the hell have they been for the past 235 years when they
            couldn’t find a single woman to elect to the presidency. You see what
            they are really up to…Trying to present “negative images” to yopung
            impressionable women so these boys can keep their dominating supremacy
            for another 8 years.

            If you men weren’t such fools, you’d see we
            are NOT falling for that BS gender bias because WE of the 52% population
            won’t sit up and beg like good little puppies. All any woman has to do
            to prove this is to take note of how men on threads are the ones bashing
            hell out of Hillary. SHE can’t BE TRUSTED, SHE can’t be a good leader
            because 4 people died in Benghazi, SHE is TIED to Wall Street.
            Right…no man has ever killed more than 4 right? No man has ever been
            guilty of being a liar, deceitful or a crook, right? She SHe SHE….but
            they aren’t gender biased right?

          8. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            So as a man…when a woman tells the truth it’s a “rant?” But when you men lie, lie, lie…through your pearly whites and bash the hell out of women…that’s not your rage and ranting?

            Really? Then tell us oh Grand Pubbah of Upper Butt Crack..what precisely did those Militia boys who were usurping taxpayers right to protect federal land doing? Showing ass? Or just playing acting at being ranting raging Rambos?

            You have a lot to answer for and you can’t stand it pallie…you and your gender haven ‘t made it to sainthood …not with the BS you guys pull.

          9. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            The rant part is not about the content. It’s about making a bunch of rants. I dunno, maybe you didn’t realize it in the midst of your rage typing. You should really calm down. Such anger is not good for your blood pressure.

          10. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

            Nice try at a pathetic lateral move. I post..I don’t rant. I don’t need to raise my voice EVER. I am a successful published freelance writer…as for anger..don’t flatter yourself…no woman with any common sense or self-respect would waste anger on a childish man like you.

            Men like you I chew up and spit out every day…You are big babies who have always thought it was your supreme right to always have it all your way. Too bad that has never worked with me.

          11. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            Saying “I don’t need to raise my voice EVER” while using all caps to indicate shouting is a nice try but you still haven’t topped referring to yourself in the third person while claiming you are not delusional. A- for effort C+ for execution. Still, a nice try. I applaud you for your effort.

            This has been fun, Ellie, but all good things must come to an end. We should do it again some time. I’ve got other things to do but you have fun with your delusional ranting. Try to work on that rage issue. It’s not healthy to be so mad all the time. Have a nice day.

          12. A_Real_Einstein February 9, 2016

            Somebody mention me?

          13. RED February 9, 2016

            Sad and hilarious!! I don’t think men exist who are more supportive of women’s rights and equality than HT and myself. Apparently though this is not enough for Ellie and the only solution is men must be put down!

        2. RED February 9, 2016

          So right. Sadly I’ve begun to see the poor Eleanor is only capable of seeing the world through an “all men are guilty” viewpoint. Which kinda hurts and pisses bunch of us off because we certainly support women’s equality and have fought for it for our wives and daughters. But poor Ellie has reduced our struggles to an “us versus them” and them has nothing to do with your actual views, only your gender.

          1. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            In Ellie’s world, there is either supporting Hillary or being a sexist pig. There is no in-between. She’s is incapable of even considering the idea that some people, men and women alike, simply do not like her policies; mainly on foreign policy and the economy. It’s so crazy that even fellow women who come along and say they support Bernie must be men in disguise. It is incomprehensible to her that any women do not support Hillary.

            I get that women have been treated unequally throughout the years and yes, that’s just as wrong as it sounds. We absolutely should be progressive enough as a country to elect a woman as president. It should be the right woman though. If men and women are to be treated as equals, then they have to be treated as equals and judged on their policies instead of their gender. I wouldn’t support a man for president either if he had the same policies as Hillary.

            You can’t tell Ellie that though. I could cite policy differences until the sun don’t shine but it would never crack her preconceived notion that I am sexist because I support Bernie over Hillary, even if I freely admit that Hillary is still a million times better than anything the GOP has to offer. Sexism is sexism, regardless of which side it comes from. A woman not voting for a man because he’s a man is every bit as sexist as a man not voting for a woman because she’s a woman. That’s the irony here: the person accusing others of sexism is the one being sexist. Sexism in politics will never end until we start judging politicians by the issues, instead of by their anatomy.

  3. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

    Nothing to see here ladies…just another manly report trying to sink Hillary’s chances. Whenever men can’t get their way, they stoop so low, their spines begin to curve.

    Men in journalism know all they have to do is make up a few well chosen keywords like anger the younger feminists, and all of the older feminists will just fall over in awe and refuse to vote for Hillary. How desperate do these men need to get?

    Men love to say women who support women are gender biased. Oh really? And just what the hell have they been for the past 235 years when they couldn’t find a single woman to elect to the presidency. You see what they are really up to…Trying to present “negative images” to yopung impressionable women so these boys can keep their dominating supremacy for another 8 years.

    If you men weren’t such fools, you’d see we are NOT falling for that BS gender bias because WE of the 52% population won’t sit up and beg like good little puppies. All any woman has to do to prove this is to take note of how men on threads are the ones bashing hell out of Hillary. SHE can’t BE TRUSTED, SHE can’t be a good leader because 4 people died in Benghazi, SHE is TIED to Wall Street. Right…no man has ever killed more than 4 right? No man has ever been guilty of being a liar, deceitful or a crook, right? She SHe SHE….but they aren’t gender biased right?

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    1. Bosda February 9, 2016

      “The best lack all conviction, while the worst

      Are full of passionate intensity.”

      ~~Yeats

      1. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

        I agree…so many men in the US lack “conviction of their own principles and ethics” that women no longer can trust a word that comes out of their mouths.

        I make no apologies for being an Alpha Woman, successful or financially independent. If that is a threat to manhood, so be it.

        I know what I am capable of and have always refused to allow any man the opportunity to dictate what and who I should be.

        1. Bosda February 9, 2016

          Ummm..you aren’t an Alpha anything.
          Because leaders should be grounded in Reality.
          You aren’t.
          Hilary isn’t a good choice.
          I strongly suspect she is inept in the use of violence as a necessary tool of statecraft.
          More to the point, she seems committed to one thing only–her desire to be President.
          Working people need a vastly more aggressive advocate.
          And no, I don’t see you as a threat. I am glad of your success.

    2. CrankyToo February 9, 2016

      I invite your attention to the definitions of “virago”:

      1. a loud, violent, and ill-tempered woman; scold; shrew
      2. archaic: a strong, brave, or warlike woman; amazon

      Clearly, you see yourself as representative of the latter definition – an Amazon – whilst most of us here on the Memo regard you as an exemplar of the first.

      Personally, I think you’re the antithesis to the Male Chauvinist Pig – the Female Virago Sow.

  4. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

    To prove how biased men are….take a good long look at every state party boss…ALL MEN. These are the guys who choose the candidates they believe are most capable of winning. Now..look at who the GOP chose…one failed CEO female…and that isn’t supposed to send women in the US the subliminal message that Fiorina as a failed CEO who was blessed by her male chieftains with only 2 years to prove she could do what it takes men decades to do, is what men in the US think of women? How pathetic does it need to get?

    When Sen. Warren took on big mouth Jamie Dimon of J.P. Morgan Chase, he went right for her gender in response to her threat to fine the 6 biggest banks who refuse to comply with the 2009 banking regulations. “So fine me. We can afford.” Who is “we?” the other 6 big banking men?

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  5. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

    The joke women all know about men? The minute any woman wins an argument, the sexist labels start…prostitute, whore, slut….and anything else they think will savage our self-respect…Sorry boys..my self-respect has NEVER been based on what ANY man thinks of me…but do get yourselves to a confessional…and your minds out of the gutters.

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  6. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

    Ooooooh….oooooooh….How dare women support OUR gender!!!!! What a national affront to MANHOOD….How dare ANY woman think she is EQUAL…after all the guys did “let” us think wer were when Roe vs. Wade was passed right? and Wow! How dare we think a woman can be president? Why she must be some kind of tramp or slut right? She can’t possibly be as smart as a man…you know…A female Commander-in-Chief? Unheard of!

    Now, if only women were restricted from being educated…wouldn’t that be just dandy? Men could rely on their Boys Will Be Boys act as they did for centuries. And women? Well, pregnant, barefoot and stupid…that’s good enough for them.

    Think again.

    Reply
    1. RED February 9, 2016

      Eleanor, you have missed the entire article. You gotta get past this. The article said WOMEN were supporting Sanders. So you twist it and run it through your “boys will be boys” decoder ring all you want but it clearly shows that it has nothing to do with sexism, unless you’re accusing all these woman, especially young women of being sexist?

    2. mike February 9, 2016

      Another ignorant post from resident misandrist. What a joke you are!

  7. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

    So a man accuses me of gender bias when all he has ever voted for in elections is a man? Then, he says, “gender shouldn’t matter?” Really? When that “gender” that doesn’t matter is woman of course to a man “it shouldn’t matter.” Let that one continue and women remain on the back burners in everything they do.

    You can understand the good ole good ole Mutton Chops and Corn Pone Kings relying on that autocratic BS..but when younger men do it, you see that their gender is ALL they care about.

    Oh sure…they act as if they are the great protectors of the weaker sex and flowers of womanhood…until a smart, highly educated woman like Hillary Clinton comes along and starts to give all those delicate flowers ideas that women don’t have to always be second in line to the dog and cat and his bully boy pickup.

    In boards rooms across the US, in churches and in government…The Testosterone overflows and with it the male superiority act that’s as phony as their sweet lines to attract women.

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    1. mike February 9, 2016

      More of your horse manure posts.
      There are far better republican women governors that are just as smart, more experienced and a better candidates than Hillary will ever be.

    2. @HawaiianTater February 10, 2016

      Ouch.

  8. Eleanore Whitaker February 9, 2016

    They say Hillary can’t be trusted…okay…prove what it is she can’t be trusted about…Was it her four years as Secretary of State when she ignored 6 memos of an al Qaeda attack? No..wait that was her predecessor…Nanny Rice former CEO of Texas Instruments. Was it when HIllary as a First Lady allowed her two drunken daughters to cavort all over NY City? No..wait..that was Laura Bush.

    It must have been when she spent most of her earlier years being the head of the International Women’s Rights group that women learned not to trust all those donations she handed to women in the poorest countries of the world.

    But let’s all trust Sanders..who only wants to debate Hillary in the all Jewish Brooklyn enclave where his buddies Dov Hikind, Silverstein and Felder can make “small donations” to his campaign.

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    1. mike February 9, 2016

      Why the untrustworthiness? She was caught In lies about emails and unprotected server. A server set up to bypass public and govt. scrutiny.
      You said in the past that Hillary wiill win because women are “monolithic” and will vote for her in mass. I tod you then you were delusional and the numbers prove you wrong.

  9. mary beardslee February 9, 2016

    Interesting the last Socialist Democrat elected was voted in 4 times-then they imposed term limits.

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    1. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

      And corporate America has been fighting to tear down all the progress ever since. Social Democracy worked so well that they kept electing FDR; so well that first chance they got, conservatives made it so the next one could only serve two terms.

    2. CrankyToo February 9, 2016

      I’m pretty sure that had more to do with providing a continuity of leadership through two of the worst crises in American history (the Great Depression and and World War II), than with a national preference for a Socialist Democracy.

      1. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

        If continuity of leadership through national crises is valuable, then why did conservatives pass an amendment to stop it from happening again?

        1. CrankyToo February 9, 2016

          Well gee, Tater. If conservative legislators were opposed to the idea, then it must have been a bad one, huh?

          1. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            The vast majority of the time, if conservative legislators were opposed to the idea, then it must have been a good one.

          2. CrankyToo February 9, 2016

            Exactly! Which is why your last two posts don’t reconcile, one with the other.

          3. @HawaiianTater February 9, 2016

            Wait, what? The reason why they passed that amendment was because conservatives were opposed to the Social Democrat policies of FDR. His policies worked so well, he kept getting elected. Conservatives can’t have a Social Democrat in the WH without term limits, because they would never get anywhere near it again.

          4. CrankyToo February 10, 2016

            Sorry, Squire, but you’ve confused me.

            Earlier in this thread, you asked, “If continuity of leadership through national crises is valuable, then why did conservatives pass an amendment to stop it from happening again?”

            That’s really a statement in the form of a question. It implies that there is no value to continuity of leadership in a national crisis, and that the proof which supports the argument lies in the fact that the cons amended the Constitution to keep it from happening again.

            My response to your question/statement was, “If conservative legislators were opposed to the idea (of no term limits), then it must have been a bad one, huh?” (Need I tell you that I was being facetious there?)

            And your response to my response was, “The vast majority of the time, if conservative legislators were opposed to the idea, then it must have been a good one.”

            Do you see why those posts don’t seem to square?

            In any case, I think my original point is valid. FDR had already accomplished so much in his first two terms. But at the time of the 1940 election, much of Europe was already on fire, Japan was a looming menace, and FDR had managed to keep us disengaged for nearly two years by then.

            I wasn’t born until a several months after the 22nd Amendment was ratified, but my sense is that there was no question in the minds of most Americans at that time, but that FDR should run again in 1940. And, without discounting all the great things he’d done to advance American society from 1933 to 1940, the looming prospect of a world at war is what kept him running and winning in 1940, just as it was his reason for staying in 1944 and, ultimately, up to his death the next year.

            He’s remembered for having done a lot of important things – saving us from Prohibition and the Great Depression, furthering the causes of conservation, and so forth. But most importantly, for having won WWII. I think.

          5. @HawaiianTater February 10, 2016

            What we’ve got here… is failure… to communicate.

            Sorry, I was listening to GnR earlier. Anyways, something got lost in translation. Let’s just say FDR good, conservatives bad. We on the same page now? lol

          6. CrankyToo February 10, 2016

            Forgive the rant. Peace. Out.

  10. nana4gj February 9, 2016

    No one has bothered to inform the 40yearolds and under women of today that the call for women to support women or else be going to a special place in hell, was the rallying cry for a time when if women did not support women, that special place in hell was here on earth, with none of the progress and opportunities that the women of today enjoy.

    It may be viewed as “insulting” today, with more outcry against three of the women that made all of that progress possible, but, the rallying cry was effective in forming a very significantly influential voter bloc and that helped women realize their aspirations and potential. More outcry against these pioneering women than against all the insults hurled at them from the Republican frontrunner or from those millions of supporters of the Democratic frontrunner for simply having another choice of candidate or disagreement with them.

    I wish I could say women were not born into the status they enjoy, but this generation of women were, indeed, born into it, not by accident, not by birthright, not by much of anything they have done, but by the hard, often demeaning, work of others, who endured real insults, and still do because they still refuse to accept their “place” of limitations.

    But, of course, that was yesterday. Today, all of that hard work and progress continues at risk and it is up to this generation to protect it and advance it and you don’t do it by dismissing those who have gone before you, demeaning and insulting them and disrespecting them. The status of women in America is not where it should be yet because nothing can be taken for granted. Many women throughout history have labored for what women have today, and there should be, at the least, respect for them. Do it your way, but, if you wish to preserve what you have and to make more progress, you might take a page from history and learn something. You might at least learn that it has not been easy, and progress was not made through the largesse of men.

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  11. Otto Greif February 9, 2016

    Left eating itself.

    Reply
  12. Virginia February 10, 2016

    It bothers us in the older demo too. They sound like cranky old ladies…sorry, Gloria. We’ve come a long way baby – and we ought not to be criticized for choosing between good and evil. We could all stick together and Hillary will “look into it” while selling us out to Wall Street.

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