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This Week In Crazy: Guns Are Just Like Spoons, And The Rest Of The Worst Of The Right

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This Week In Crazy: Guns Are Just Like Spoons, And The Rest Of The Worst Of The Right


Welcome to “This Week In Crazy,” The National Memo’s weekly update on the wildest attacks, conspiracy theories, and other loony behavior from the increasingly unhinged right wing. Starting with number five:

5. Glenn Beck

This Week In Crazy MVP Glenn Beck had a very busy week. Several of his rants could have qualified him for the list — accusing President Obama, John Boehner, John McCain and Lindsey Graham of treason and calling Leonardo DiCaprio a “piece of garbage” for considering portraying Woodrow Wilson in an upcoming film spring immediately to mind — but he lands at #5 for a gem of a rant on his radio show last Friday.

Dipping back into familiar birther territory, Beck lamented that President Obama just “doesn’t know who Americans are,” because he’s spent his entire life “surrounded by people who hate the United States of America. That’s not a slam on him, this is a fact. It’s just a fact.”

Beck went on to explain that the president “is not a sports fan” — an odd claim considering that Beck has previously accused Obama of preferring golf to governing — because “he didn’t grow up here.”

Finally, Beck got to his main point. “I do contend that he didn’t earn [the presidency],” Beck said. “He was chosen by the Soroses of the world.”

Why would George Soros do such a thing? “He can get away with murder,” Beck explained, “because he’s likeable. And he’s black.”

Right, Glenn. Because if there’s one group that never gets accused of crime in America, it’s black people.

Henry Decker

Henry Decker was formerly the Managing Editor of The National Memo. He is currently an Online Associate at MRCampaigns.

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  1. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

    I am speechless…too bad they aren’t…

  2. disqus_ivSI3ByGmh September 20, 2013

    Man, these clowns just keep getting stooooopider and stooooooopider every week.

  3. tobyspeeks September 20, 2013

    So Erik Rush is blaming the current rash of overt racism on Obama for being black?

    1. The_Magic_M September 20, 2013

      I think he rather blames destiny for having made him (Erik) black. A black man can’t possibly have so much hate and disdain for his own race unless he had some serious self-loathing issues.

  4. montanabill September 20, 2013

    The National Memo had to look hard and away to find a negative right wing story when they should have covered the left wing’s crazy bias on reporting an AR-15 that wasn’t. Lots of well known national media commentators in that bunch.

    1. medford_resident September 20, 2013

      you’re so right Bill. these leftist fools are like lemmings. mindless lemmings

      1. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

        …then apparently most of your fellow Americans are too, as they voted Obama in TWICE! Perhaps you guys should take off for saner pastures….we will not miss you.

        1. medford_resident September 20, 2013

          Most of the country IS made up of lemmings like you, Elizabeth. It’s only recently that government had played to the lowest common denominator.

          1. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            Name calling is all you guys have….I left that behavior on the playground years ago…perhaps it is time that you grew up a bit….

          2. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            come now, elisabeth, identifying you for what you are is not name calling.
            You’re clueless about the topic but as any good lemming, you’re in here attacking people who DO understand the topic and who are defending your rights. YOUR rights. Thats the sad part about your kind. You’re not even aware that your cheeringfor the erosion of your rights.

          3. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            Attacking people? – Your reading comprehension skills are surpassed only by your rundundant, moronic inaccuracies….back to your bunker there Skippy…

          4. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            lemming, still nothing about the topic?

          5. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            I find it difficult to comment on the “topics” voiced by the moronic, fact challenged “men” whose views you applaud….sort of like responding to a drunk with a lisp….

          6. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            dear lemming, here amongst the intelligent, we don’t cheer for our rights to be stripped away because those stripping them prop up a few people you don’t care for who are also protecting your rights. but then, its a pretty easy thing to pray on emotional lemmings this way.

          7. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            You seem to have an obsession with the word lemming….my suggestion is you go follow one over the nearest cliff….Have a sparkling day!

          8. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            well lemming, if you had anything to say about the topic, you might have been preceived as something else.

          9. LotusJoan September 20, 2013

            Dear Sir I doubt your claim that you are among the 1%. I doubt your claim that you pay over 30% in taxes. If I am wrong about the first two then you have been sadly taken advantage of by investment and tax professionals. The way I see it you
            are either a liar or not very smart about money, so either way not someone who is worthy of regard.

          10. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            Joan, society’s bottom, having never used an accountant often believe in the myth of the magic accountant. The truth is, your savior, lord obama, has lied to you about the successful. Now, instead of admitting that you’ve been lied to, you’d rather perpetuate the lie. So please, when discussing what’s worthy of regard, have a long look in the mirror. Some halfwit who believes the lies about people who’ve worked harder than you, accomplished more than you, contributed to society more than you is the only one not worthy of regard.

          11. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            what a pompous twit….

          12. LotusJoan September 20, 2013

            I am amazed at your perspicacity – to
            know so much about someone on the basis of their name, Do tell. In addition to being independently wealthy
            and a gold star tax payer your physic too!

          13. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            I’ll give the tool his due… been a while since I’ve witnessed a troll that had mastered the ability to combine all the worst stereotypes of the rightwing into one package… read on… he’s been in rare form today…

          14. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            The bottom never understands what they give away about themselves when they attempt to discuss things they know nothing about with someone who does.

          15. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            And trolls never understand why they get the ridicule they do, else they’d find something else to do…

            A little bored at the bar, Ron? Needed to work out your frustrations trolling and insulting people? I suppose everyone needs a hobby, but most hobbies tend to be a little more productive than making a fool and an ass of one’s self, as you do, but your choice.

          16. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            Did your wife come home from work and tell you how proud of you she was for spending the day trolling on the Internet instead of looking for a job?

          17. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            I don’t understand this fixation you’ve had today on anyone’s employment status, and why you seem to think being unemployed is a reason for shame, and that it’s a word to be used as an insult.

            No my wife came home from work, told me of her day, and how glad she is to be home, and that it’s Friday. Didn’t know you cared… I’m touched…

            Seems to be some sort of obsession with you, though, and you might want to talk to someone about that… all that bile can’t be good for you.

          18. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            But that you seem to think, also, that a wife is one’s mommy, from whom to seek approval, rather than one’s partner in life is also rather telling.

          19. LotusJoan September 21, 2013

            Your writing skills and grammatical
            errors do indicate something about you.

          20. Lisztman September 21, 2013

            EXCUSE ME, SIR! You still haven’t enumerated those “rights that are being stripped away.” Stop making stuff up and throwing insults. If you wish to be taken seriously, start saying something of substance.

          21. idamag September 22, 2013

            Every nut’s right to carry a gun supersedes a child’s right to life.

          22. medford_resident September 22, 2013

            Dear lemming,
            I understand that’s the idiot version of the argument but amongst the intelligent, the discussion is far more complex

          23. idamag September 22, 2013

            The word is “prey.”

          24. TZToronto September 20, 2013

            Your metaphors are getting mixed. In common parlance, lemmings are those people who are blind followers who would just as soon jump off a cliff as do anything original.. (You might say that many Republican members of the House of Representatives are lemmings these days.) Lemmings are not attackers. If lemmings are attackers, then you are a lemming. . . . Just to satisfy my curiosity, how does it make you feel when you read about the crazy things your intellectual leaders say? Are you proud, or do you see the same stupidity in these five examples that the rest of us thinking folk see? If you’re proud, I expect to see something you’ve said listed here on some future Friday. If you see the stupidity, why do you support it? Perhaps there’s a middle ground: You just don’t get it.

          25. plc97477 September 22, 2013

            First of all you would need to find out if in fact he did or could read the article.

          26. TZToronto September 23, 2013

            Excellent point!

          27. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            No – I’m cheering for the erosion and inevitable extinction of the party you so lovingly support….

          28. Lisztman September 21, 2013

            What rights are those, sir, that you claim that we’re losing?

            You and montanabill are shills for the right wing. You parrot the Glenn Beck (and his ilk) nutjob fallacies as if they were truth. They are the farthest possible from the truth. Put away your Fox “News” ears and start doing some genuine research into the issues.

            And, at the last — those on the left are not “lemmings”. You fail to realize that the left is not capriciously and randomly following a demagogue (like Glenn Beck). They, no, we, specifically elected a leader who believes as we do. As Ms. Gordon so aptly puts it — stop throwing insults and start thinking like an adult.

          29. yeehaw September 20, 2013

            @Elisabeth…remember when they can’t win an argument, name calling is the next best thing! These people live and die on emotions, they can’t handle facts or intelligent discourse. By responding to them we do ourselves a disservice because you can’t change people who’ve been force-fed a diet of hate and hypocrisy most of their lives! Sometimes it’s still fun just reading their self-righteous and arrogant comments.

          30. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            That’s why I visit this blog every Friday….ya can’t make this stuff up…it starts off as amusing and then turns to the point where I am reminded that they live amongst us, and they breed….EGADS! Have a great weekend! See ya here next week!

          31. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            It’s fear… there is a whole package of crap that seems to be added to at a moment’s notice, the rejection of any point, or the realization that any point may be wrong can’t be considered… because, gee… if one preconception’s shot down, maybe all of them will be, and all that’s left is a tiny, shriveled and lonely soul… scratch deep enough, and you’ll find that’s a very real fear in so very many, if not most, authoritarian-followers…
            That and the absolute and unwavering denial that any of the above might be applicable to any of them…

          32. yeehaw September 20, 2013

            @Paul…My humble and simple response to them is…La,La, Land!!!!

          33. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            Yeah, but you can choose your friends, you can’t choose your family… I’m an unabashed people watcher… always have been, but damn, some people are just painful to watch… But, like a train wreck or a horrible traffic accident, it’s sometimes hard to turn away…

      2. DennisRL September 20, 2013

        Gee, I wish I was as smart as you righties. You know everything. Of course I don’t have someone like rush or faux news to tell me how to be smart and what to think. What a shame.

        1. medford_resident September 20, 2013

          It’s a shame you don’t have someone to make you seem smart.

          1. DennisRL September 20, 2013

            nice come back. Wow…once again I’ve been out gunned by a right wing idiot. I feel so stupid!! Wait a minute, I’m a liberal. I shouldn’t use the term out gunned. How about out foxed. No that doesn’t sound right either. Never mind.

          2. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            shouldn’t you be out looking for work?

          3. DennisRL September 20, 2013

            Yes, I’m moving to Medford and hope to find a job there and maybe move in next door to you. But since I’m just a stupid democrat, I sure hope you have a Mcdonalds there.

          4. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            I doubt you could push the highschoolers out of their job.

          5. LotusJoan September 21, 2013

            Shows how out of touch you are – the majority of low paid workers at places like McDonalds are not high school students anymore. Your a brick or two shy of a load and a year or few short of this decade.

          6. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            Good one Dennis!

          7. morbius777 September 21, 2013

            He’s just quoting out of the John Birch Blue Book, Dennis. But don’t worry. He’ll call up some of his middle school friends to see if they can think of some more insults.

      3. nirodha September 20, 2013

        Hey, Ron, you’re back again! You tell us how wealthy you are, how much you pay in taxes, how dumb we are for not making as much money as you do, how we do not understand tax accounting, and how much you enjoy lording it over us poor folk from your happy hour barroom perch in New Jersey; did I miss anything? I’m sure you will make a brilliant riposte in response. We can hardly wait! C’mon, bring it!

        1. medford_resident September 20, 2013

          wow, bitterness at your preceived betters is no way to go thru life, son. I understand the bitterness of being unemployed but don’t let it ruin you. do something about it.

          1. nirodha September 20, 2013

            Oh, I’m hardly unemployed. Prescient you are not; abysmally stupid you are, but you are somewhat amusing with your earnest displays of judgmental self-importance. I am proceeding merrily through life as a jolly and carefree spirit with no perceived betters. Keep it up; is that all you’ve got?

          2. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            nirodha – medman is obviously a very lonely and sad individual…poor fella – we should probably not be so harsh on him….he’s hard enough on himself…imagine meeting him for a drink at 5? arrgghhhhh!!!!

          3. nirodha September 20, 2013

            According to a prior post from him (his real name is Ron Holliday), he sits in his local saloon at happy hour and gloats at all of the poor, stupid plebeians he has has “bested” that day. It sounds like a rather sad and pathetic existence, devoid of compassion or mindfulness or appreciation of the truly meaningful beauty of an examined life.

          4. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            Jeez – please do NOT tell him my local pub…

          5. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            Sounds about right… and if true, no real surprise… cheap shots and beer seem to go together in some bars.

          6. nirodha September 20, 2013

            He probably fancies himself a wine snob.

          7. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            I do like my wine, but nothing beats a cold beer or a shot of Jack… but that’s just me.

          8. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            Of course, I tend to have some discretion and seldom write blog comments after a particular point… but then again, I’ve never been a troll, so it’s obviously something I’ve missed… /grin

          9. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            It’s been my observation that drunk trolling seldom ends well, especially when the troll’s “opponent” doesn’t have a vested interest in being “right.” Tends to degenerate, on the trolls’ parts, to the sort of vile insults spewed by our little friend here.

            To the bloviating troll: No one here cares but you… must really suck…

          10. idamag September 22, 2013

            Or like a movie he watched once.

        2. idamag September 22, 2013

          He’ll be sure to use the word, “amongst.”

      4. morbius777 September 21, 2013

        Compared to you John Birchers, we look like Rhodes scholars.

    2. DennisRL September 20, 2013

      boy, montanabill, you really got us on that one. Lets see…that makes one inaccurate news story by the “biased leftist media” and lets see…find another couple of thousand and we’ll have just about as many as fox news.

      1. montanabill September 20, 2013

        I hear that a lot about Fox News, but never can find anyone who can specifically cite one.

        1. DennisRL September 20, 2013

          well gee bill, how are you ever going to find anyone who can cite one if all you ever listen to is fox. You see the problem we have here. If you cite one from any other news organization then it’s that “lying liberal media” and fox is never going to out itself. So, you have the best of all worlds because in your fox bubble they always tell the truth and in the real world if you hear something you don’t like, you can blame the “liberal media”. It’s a conundrum for which there is no solution.

          1. montanabill September 20, 2013

            That’s called ‘ducking the issue’, Dennis. You are arguing with your own strawman.

          2. yeehaw September 20, 2013

            @Dennis…Sir, you are a genius, there’s no way I could have said it better!!!

          3. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            A glance at the history of MediaMatters for America would provide all the evidence necessary… but small chance of anything there making a dent, as it’s all lies but Fox…

    3. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

      Funny thing, Bill, that Fox was among those that misrepresented the weapon as an AR-15… That you find a common error in the name of journalistic expediency as a reason to slam the “left wing,” as you see it is rather puzzling…

      1. montanabill September 20, 2013

        I didn’t hear them, but then I drift around so they could well have reported that someone told them that. I do know they would not have used it as superficial context for going on an ‘assault rifle’ tirade as I heard other networks doing.

  5. JDavidS September 20, 2013

    I swear, Beck is just trying to “out-stupid” Limbaugh…and doing a damned fine job, too. As for Gohmer, your village called. They want you back.

  6. medford_resident September 20, 2013

    Here in America, We have the RIGHT to bear arms. If you don’t like it, leave.

    1. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

      Here in America, we have the RIGHT to speak out against absurdities, including all the subjects of this post, and your comment too…. if you don’t like it, leave… better yet, how ’bout you just leave.

      1. medford_resident September 20, 2013

        dear child, your right to speak is no more important a right than that to bear arms. Its long past time you understood that.

        1. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

          Child? Appreciate the compliment, although I’m certain it was not intended so… with 2 kids, 4 stepkids and 13 grandchildren, a Vietnam-era Cold War vet, formerly a crew chief of fire control on a nuclear missile site, a sometime gun owner, and 3 careers past and working on acquiring a new one, I’d wager I’ve lived a bit more than you (whether longer than you, I don’t know and don’t care… your tiresome one-liners and attitude of the truly convinced display you as the more juvenile)

          1. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            You are the textbook example of an internet troll, with no other purpose than to disrupt, inflame, insult and basically be a general pain in the ass… must’ve taken a while to hone that skill… I’ve never understood the mindset of one who somehow finds it fun to show up on a blog where one knows ahead of time what the majority of conversation will be, and just poke people… I’ll bet you were a whiz as a kid around small animals…

          2. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            no, sorry chump. the definition of an internet troll is you. you come out of nowhere and attack me with your ignorant little comment. If your argument is that I shouldn’t be here because I have a different opinion from the majority, well………..I guess I pegged you correctly as having a childlike mind.

          3. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            You seem to think I haven’t observed your arrogant posts before… that I’ve never chosen to respond only indicates that you really didn’t seem worth the effort… as it’s a Friday, and I’m in a weekend state of mind, I consider it a public service to call out an arrogant, self-important fool as you’ve been, here and at other times.
            A childlike mind is that to which I aspire… a childish mind is another thing, entirely, and it’s no surprise you are unable to make the distinction in your a/b, binary-thinking, authoritarian world.

          4. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            dear unemployed child, I’ve noticed you. now if you can’t stick to the topic, at least go try to find work. no one here is interested in what society’s bottom thinks. truly.

          5. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            And yet, here you still are, giving evidence to that very bottom… that you are able to spend all day on a blog belittling those you seem to think your lessers says volumes about your own personal work ethic… stones and glass houses don’t mix well.

          6. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            sorry you unemployed slug, I’m here in my office. reaping the rewards of a job well done. go find a job and stop living off of your wife. Christ, who does that?

          7. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            Actually, your behavior shows you as one who glories in the misfortunes of your fellow humans…

            If I’m an unemployed slug (which, really, is only your own vile viewpoint), it is much preferable than being the sociopathic, smug, self-righteous troll infesting Disqus as you so obviously are… someone who’s only here to stand out for the degree of vomitous bile you’ve accused others… rather than your own rightwing blogs where you’re just another punk among many,

            You seem to think you’ve angered me… rather, troll, you amuse me… seldom have I seen such smug, self-righteous and false intellectualism in one package… I’m laughing at you, troll, definitely not with you.

          8. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            Prattle on all day about how wonderful you are and how bad I am. You lack the self awareness and self respect that should have kept us from ever meeting. Instead of prattling in about how smart you are, you should have done what real men do and be out finding a job.

            Prattle on all day, loser. If I needed a job, this would be the last place you’d find me.

            But then, that’s why we’re each in the positions we are in life

          9. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            You do seem to have a very strange fixation on the employment status of others, whether or not you think you have any understanding of the causes… that you are fortunate to be employed is a good thing… however, your vile sociopathy displayed here does make one question just how high up the food chain you really are… And further, that you somehow find it amusing to show up on a blog only to be confrontational and abusive makes me question your sanity.

            You accused me elsewhere on the thread of not wanting to discuss the issues… why should I or anyone else engage you on matters of substance, since you’re obviously convinced you have all the answers, and anyone else is a “lemming” a “slug” or any other the other epithets you’ve chosen to label people.

            You strike me as rather a 20-something basement dweller who’s read some Rand and discovered von Mises and thinks he’s got all the answers to existence…

          10. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            And the drivel just doesn’t stop!
            Man, your wife will be proud when she gets home from work and you tell her about your day!

          11. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            Amusing you think so…

            As per your previous conversation, it is the grace and good wishes we have never met, and hopefully never shall. I don’t think we would like each other very much, and you might have the rare occasion of something outside your echo chamber… in any way you choose to interpret that.

            I don’t like presumptious, self-important and pompous assholes, and man, you’ve got that in spades…

            If your use of “lemming” to others was not intended as in insult, then please accept my observation that you, sir, are an asshole as the highest of compliments.

          12. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            And I can only assume that “unemployed slug” was meant from the absolute highest of motives… real piece of work you are, and displaying that with every word you type. My wife? Your mother must be so proud of your kind, compassionate and erudite discourse…

          13. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            He was obviously a breach birth

          14. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            you’re pathetic – I suggest you seek help – today if possible….

          15. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            Paul – he is not worth the effort – let him drown in his own self-important or shall I say self-loathing idiocy

          16. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            I know, Elisabeth, and thank you for your encouragment. Just once in a while I bang around on a few blogs I receive RSS feeds from, and have seen this sort of bloviating ass in many places.
            4 days into and hopefully on the mend from a nasty intestinal bug, a rather lazy, admittedly, Friday, and slapping a self-important, self-promoting, smug and pompous troll seemed to be a fair use of the day.. about a step up, barely from how the past couple of days have been spent, with my friend the great porcelain god.

            I just know, and have in my family, entirely too many of the absolutely convinced. The mindset, when looked at a little deeper, seems to be rooted in a fear that if any one of the threads of the huge package of narrative they’ve wound comes loose, then the whole edifice comes crashing down. An inability to admit the barest possibility one might have something wrong is based in fear, and trolls like this are worthy of pity and just turning the other way… except, apparently, today, but I’ll be over my intestinal bug soon… that kind of ugly goes on for eternity.

          17. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            Feel better Paul – the thing that gets me about him is that he cannot stop asserting that we’re all unemployed…I think “he dost protest too much”….to quote Shakespeare rather poorly ~ it would seem that perhaps he actually does live in the basement and is waiting for mommy to bring him his 4 pm snack….well, I’m off to a Lake up near Laconia NH for the weekend to do a bit of sailing with a cousin in from Paris….really looking forward to it….again, feel better and have a great wknd!

          18. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            Thanks, dear…

            I was accused of being unemployed… at least it was intended as some sort of insult… freely admitted… I’m unemployed, and what of it? I’ve been out of a job before, it sucked and I didn’t like it… but it’s rather like others I know that spit “You’re a Liberal” in my face, as though that’s some sort of a bad thing… says more about them their delivery of the bile than it does my attitude of “Yes, and… your point is?”

            Just about everyone I know that is unemployed really doesn’t want to be, but due to life circumstances happen to be in an unenviable situation.

            I came to El Paso almost 4 years ago, as the love of my life and a dear friend of more than 30 years lives here, has made a life here, and agreed to be my wife… that the gigs aren’t here for a guy whose clearance hasn’t been active in 30 years and who did PC tech support before they required certification. Due to not being able to afford all at once transcripts from 3 colleges/universities

          19. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            Well, Paul if my numbers come in tonight I we will have to figure out a way for me to send you a check so that you can afford to acquire your transcripts…I am a woman of my word, so think 1-4-7-9-12-15 in CT Lotto…a buck ticket could win me $4.5 million and I would be thrilled to help out a fellow American. Best to you and your wife!

          20. plc97477 September 22, 2013

            I hope you are feeling better now.

          21. Paul Julian Gould September 22, 2013

            Thank you, friend… somewhat… this is apparently something that’s going around in our area, and has been hanging on for 5 days now… ah, well.

            Again, I do appreciate the concern, and thank you.

          22. Mikey7a September 21, 2013

            I truly believe Medford isn’t your run of the mill Rethuglican troll. I think he’s paid to go to progressive minded sites, and preach the talking points, and Party line, for those Tea swilling Traitors!

          23. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            I can only reply to the intelligence of the post. Having never heard of you before and having never addressed you before, I could only assume you were a child by your choice to address me in such a childlike way. if you’d like to discuss the topic like an adult, please do.

          24. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            I would attempt to, sir, but it appears you are busy with your other task of slinging one-line insults at those whom you seem to think are beneath you, as they are on the “left.”
            Again, I still question why you are here? Certainly not to discuss, as you apparently have all your ideas in the box… certainly not to convert anyone to your way of thinking, as… well, that’s why people are here rather than on the very red blogs…

            So, what? One-upmanship? Sharpening rhetorical skills for… for what?

            It would be pointless to attempt to discuss the many issues about the subjects of this post, as you already came here with your mind made up,

            So, no… I think I’ll move to the table over there and hang out with those folks, thanks.

          25. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            Paul – meet me for a drink at 5….we can tip a few – I’ll copy and paste all of medmans blogs for our continued amusement…ok?

          26. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            I’ll take the drink, but I’m no masochist… what I’ve read is plenty… and more than a lifetime… amusing that I was characterized as a troll for having been a long-time lurker, but finally fed up with the willful ignorance and pompous and bombastic presentation… in short, an ass that’s pissed the Limbaugh is able to get megabucks for the same thing…

          27. plc97477 September 22, 2013

            I always thought he and his ilk were here for comedy relief.

          28. Lisztman September 21, 2013

            Why should we discuss anything with you when all you know how to do is talk down to others? Discussion is also difficult — when the only thing I’ve seen in most of your posts is insults.

            Would you like us to fling them back? “I’m rubber, you’re glue. Bounce off me, stick to you.” There. Is that better?

            Or do the rules dictate that we come up with a novel, or different, insult? Personally, I’ve never been very good at discussing insults. Issues would be better. Unfortunately, all you’ve done so far is throw insults and made baseless allegations. I don’t know what your chronological age is — but it appears that your education, mental capacities, and psychological profile all became stunted at about a fourth-grade level.

          29. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            and thats a pretty fancy way of saying you’re currently unemployed. I’m impressed with your hyperbole

          30. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            Yes, I am unemployed, and thanks for asking. I am just a couple months shy of 57 years old, and among the long-term unemployed that don’t even get counted in the numbers any longer. We are living on my wife’s teacher’s salary, which, in Texas… well, that says volumes. No one wants to hire a computer tech of my age, and, as I started before there were such things as certs for general techs, am competing against young fellow vets who got their degrees and certs in service.
            Yes, we are depending upon assistance at present, as are many, and it is only until I can start the spring semester for a career change. Sorry you think I’m somehow beneath you, son… I grew up with pretty comfortable conditions, and have lived at the other end of the spectrum as well…

            Don’t try to out-arrogant me, son… it’s usually an iffy proposition, at best.

          31. medford_resident September 20, 2013

            arrogance from an unemployed troll who, instead of out looking for a job is trying to prove his idiot point on the internet. well done.

          32. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            And your purpose for slithering onto this blog is…. ?

          33. Lisztman September 21, 2013

            Ummm. Wrong, med_res. He’s not trolling. None of Paul, or Elizabeth, or myself, or any of the others (except montanabill) came here to throw insults, cast aspersions, and make up lies to be tossed out as “facts”.

            Would you like some more ammunition? I am presently unemployed. I am now almost 63 years old. But I worked full-time for 38 years. Up until last year, the combined income of myself (engineer) and my wife (teacher) put us well into the top 5%. Are you now telling me that I’m a lazy bum because I’m not out at the local Community College trying to learn to become a dental assistant? Or that, when I file for Social Security (which I have not yet done), I somehow don’t deserve it after I paid into the system for 46 years?

            I’d love to know what it is you actually do 9 to 5 that makes you so superior to the rest of humanity. Right about now, on my respect scale, you’re a couple of levels beneath Honey Boo-Boo.

          34. Paul Julian Gould September 21, 2013

            Short answer, oh fan of the master composer, he’s a troll… that’s what he does…

            Says so much about anyone who only slithers onto a blog, obviously not one in agreement with one’s worldview, and proceed to do nothing productive, but disrupt and insult.

            Rather a sad existence, it must be, to only find validation by pissing people off, but he’s not the first, and no doubt won’t be the last. Just the internet’s given the ability to think one’s self a pundit to any jerk who’s got an axe to grind. Shows some real evidence of seriously inferiority and inadequacy issues.

            But, just as certain as morning, idiots like this are all over the web, and he, or another clone just like him will be back.

            My chihuahua might as well be pissed that she’s not a Rottie as to think there’s any way to stop antisocial assholes from being what they are.

            (never mind that she is a Rottie, all compressed in that tiny form… /chuckle)

          35. DennisRL September 20, 2013

            Hey Paul don’t mess with this guy. He’s fixated on bear arms for some reason. He’s also under the delusion that if you’re blogging on here during the day, you must be unemployed (except for him that is). He has a job as a professional right wing blogger annoyance.

          36. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            Well, I do support the right to arm bears, so there’s that…

          37. DennisRL September 20, 2013

            so do I but don’t let that get around, because if you’re a liberal you’re supposed to want all guns confiscated and dumped in the Pacific Ocean. But if you’re a righty, someone on the left can’t possible be for the second amendment and an advocate for back round checks and limited magazine clips. That’s just not possible.

          38. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            Well, y’know, it’s interesting to see raised eyebrows from those who consider me to the left of Trotsky… (not true, but a subject for another day)… Some years back, when there was actually a need, whether real or perceived, I had a CCL, and carried a quite serviceable .25… enough to get someone’s attention, at least, and I’d have to be close enough to really be committed to its use. That need no longer exists, and I own no firearms. Funny, that, I’m in El Paso, an upper-middle-aged white guy, a decided minority here, in a largely Latino population of mostly Mexican descent… yet I am under no threat here, no one is going to break in and cart me off for my “leftist” viewpoints, the few bars I frequent, I suppose, are rather multi-cultural… I’d have to think about that, as it really doesn’t seem to be an issue.

            I’ve said before, I’m not anti-gun… I’m anti-stupid… unfortunately, the two seem to be bound more and more tightly as time goes on and our citizens are more rigidly polarized about this and so many other issues.

          39. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            We’ve become a nation of Morlocks vs. Eloi, and I’m really not sure which is which.

          40. Robert Haugh September 20, 2013

            If I may cut in here. I am a life long Democrat who also has been licensed to carry a concealed weapon for well past twenty years.And carry it I do,each and every day, in its holster, attached to my belt. Do I spend my days beating my chest and proclaiming to the world that having sane gun laws are infringing on my rights? Of course not, but then I’m not a Red state conspiracy nut. They have very vivid imaginations in those states, smarts? not so much.

          41. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            Well-said… I also had a CCL permit a couple of decades ago, when there was a need.
            Presently, there is no need, and my enjoyment of target shooting is not the most important thing in life… so, I own no firearms.

            When all discussion about reasonable accommodations and regulations is shut down, we have our current deeply polarized situation.

            A weapon is a tool with a quite limited utility… I’d question the sanity of anyone who would dispute the common sense safety and training regulations of say, an industrial bandsaw… yet a firearm is seen as given by God on high…

          42. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            Seriously? This guy’s an amateur and a poseur at best… as anyone who’s a veteran of Usenet can attest… flamewars brought to the level of an artform…

          43. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            And trolls that tended to show a bit of creativity, rather than the same tired RedState talking points…

          44. nirodha September 20, 2013

            PJ- You’ve got that right. This guy has not a clue that he’s shoveling shit against the tide, or if he does, he’s too stupid to comprehend that he’s the subject of vilification and scorn around here.

          45. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            Guess it’s the joy of seeing his words, knowing his every online utterance will reside on some hard drive somewhere until the earth is no more…

            Immortality by ridicule… I don’t see the attraction, but there it is.

          46. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

            Paul – without a doubt medman is the most tedious individual I have ever had the displeasure of encountering…jeez, talk about pompous twit….guess we should just be glad that he’s not a colleague or neighbor…..can you imagine?

          47. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            If he’s the “maker” he portrays himself to be, and actually has people in his employ, I’ll bet the parking-lot conversations after work and out of earshot are rather interesting, to say the least. But, I’m well acquainted, and in some cases, related to people that behave like this… legends in their own minds who are usually relegated to a couch by themselves at parties…

    2. DennisRL September 20, 2013

      if you want bear arms that’s fine. But personally after reading your rants, I would say you would be better off with dog or cat arms. That way you’ll be less dangerous.

      1. medford_resident September 20, 2013

        I think you confuse rants with losing patience with society’s unintelligent.

        1. idamag September 22, 2013

          Did you mean lack of intelligence or unintelligence or is this an unfinishe4d sentence.

    3. idamag September 22, 2013

      Here, in America, I have a right to drive a car unless I am proved incompetent. I also have to pass a test, register my car and carry insurance. None of those regulations has negated my right to drive a car.

      1. medford_resident September 22, 2013

        You’re sadly mistaken. You have no RIGHT to drive a car. None.
        You do however have a right to own a gun.

        1. idamag September 23, 2013

          I do own guns. They are fascinating pieces of equipment. I keep them oiled and cared for. However, I am not belligerent about them. I don’t think a gun makes me John Wayne. I am not paranoid so I don’t have to carry one around with me. In other words, I am not a gun nut, just a gun owner.

  7. tdm3624 September 20, 2013

    He was making a point that guns do not cause mass shootings anymore than spoons cause obesity. Good headline though. I bit.

  8. howa4x September 20, 2013

    The far right as usual is constantly making up reality to fit into their dogmatic world. This is not to cast a net over every conservative but to realize that there are extremists to the right of you.. When people ask for reasonable background checks to purchase a gun that is not infringing on lawful gun ownership but a way to keep mentally unstable people and criminals from purchasing a murder weapon, which is what it becomes in their hands. The Right needs conspiracy theories because they have no plan to solve our problems. I’ve never heard the right wing plan for how they would change health care and reach the 32 million that lack access to it, or how they will fix the critical infrastructure where over 6000 bridges are in danger of imminent collapse.or how would they keep weapons out of dangerous people’s hands? All these fools want to do is to make white people angry and have them dwell in a land of negativity and point fingers.while putting labels on people..Nothing positive ever. Welcome to the right wing

    1. medford_resident September 20, 2013

      wait, I’m confused here. Did you need a background check to exercise your first amendment right? any of your other guaranteed rights? no? Then Lets be very careful with what you call “reasonable”

      1. TZToronto September 20, 2013

        Get real, please.

        1. Elisabeth Gordon September 20, 2013

          TZ – pay no attention to the man behind the 17th, 18th and 19th century curtain….he is rather amusing though ~one must admit….each wk I come here for my weekly dose of comedy and insanity and those of his ilk and the ones he so adamently applauds never let me down.

          1. TZToronto September 20, 2013

            A number of years ago I stumbled onto a website that was inhabited by some very right-wing people. At first I was more than prepared to do battle with these reactionaries, but they had this nasty habit of throwing ad hominem bombs at me. They also felt that supporting their insults with factual inaccuracies was a good way to combat my efforts at reason. So after a while I left that website for good (in more ways than one) in order to save my mental health. It’s comforting to know that the far-right jerks who show up here are not representative of the vast majority people who visit National Memo.

          2. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

            I’ve had friends, over the years, that were and are, principled and thoughtful conservatives… rather than the self-described ones that are really nothing better than reactionaries… These were people of a more Dwight Eisenhower and Fred Thompson sort, with whom I’d no doubt disagree some, and agree elsewhere… and where the difference is really more of emphasis and priority rather than rigidity and blindness.
            I’m further reminded of the 50+ year friendship between James Stewart and Henry Fonda, whose personal ideologies mattered less than honest respect and affection… hell, Fonda painted a portrait of Pie, the horse Stewart rode in most of his westerns… apocryphal stories aside, Stewart recalled towards the end of his life that he couldn’t remember any time he and Fonda argued.

            Those that sling the word “conservative” around as a cudgel are seldom anything like.

            Those that troll internet blogs to inflame, insult, disrupt and belittle commenters are neither conservative nor liberal… just sad examples of what human nature can be capable.

          3. idamag September 22, 2013

            I did, too. I never heard such hate and anger. I decided they were probably subversives.

      2. The_Magic_M September 20, 2013

        I think you should rather be careful and pray nobody takes a closer look at the Second Amendment and the phrases before “… shall not be abridged”, and that nobody asks himself why they are there and what limitations they actually impose (as opposed to the NRA’s propaganda reading of “the 2nd means everybody may own a gun”).

        1. medford_resident September 20, 2013

          yes, yes, another pretend constitutional scholar.

          read this and get back to me:


          and some historical context which I’m sure you’ll ignore or try to explain away with a lie:

          “The constitutions of most of our States assert
          that all power is inherent in the people; that
          … it is their right and duty to be at all times
          armed; … ”
          Thomas Jefferson
          letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

          Firearms stand next in importance to the
          constitution itself. They are the American
          people’s liberty teeth and keystone under
          independence … from the hour the Pilgrims
          landed to the present day, events, occurences and
          tendencies prove that to ensure peace security
          and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally
          indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms
          anywhere restrains evil interference & they
          deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
          George Washington

          “The great object is that every man be armed.”
          and “Everyone who is able may have a gun.”
          Patrick Henry

          To preserve liberty, it is essential that the
          whole body of the people always possess arms and
          be taught alike, especially when young, how to
          use them.”
          Richard Henry Lee
          American Statesman, 1788

          The Constitution shall never be construed to
          prevent the people of the U.S. from keeping their
          own arms. – Samuel Adams

          The best we can hope for concerning the people at
          large is that they be properly armed. – Alexander

          Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm
          only those who are neither inclined nor
          determined to commit crimes. Such laws make
          things worse for the assaulted and better for the
          assailants. – Thomas Jefferson

          To disarm the people is the best and most
          effectual way to enslave them. – George Madison

          Firearms are second only to the Constitution in
          importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s
          teeth. – George Washington

          1. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG September 21, 2013

            Easy for them to say than, they only had muskets which tell me again how many rounds they got off in 1 minute. Do you believe if they were able to see into the future and see our military and the weapons available in the 21st century, these men would not have believed differently.

          2. medford_resident September 21, 2013

            Incorrect. As their quotes indicate, they believed the populous should have the weaponry to defend itself against a tyrannical government.

          3. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG September 21, 2013

            The only tyrannical government is the States run by GOP and the House GOP. I doubt they are coming after your guns today.

          4. morbius777 September 21, 2013

            Can you quote the FIRST CLAUSE OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT, RON? I doubt it, because it seems YOU CAN’T READ.

          5. Independent1 September 21, 2013


            When Madison who wrote the 2nd he took time to poke fun at Thomas Jefferson and others at the convention who were caught up with this paranoia – that if the federal government was allowed to develop a standing army that it would use that army to overtake the states. He attributes at the end of the last paragraph of his Federalist #46 paper that those who think the federal government would overcome and takeover the state governments, have to be considered as he says: must on the most favorable interpretation be ascribed to the “chimerical fears” of the authors themselves; (Chimerical fears are wild fantasies of their imaginations!!!!!!!!)

            Here’s Madison’s words:

            The argument under the present head may be put into a very
            concise form, which appears altogether conclusive. Either the mode in which the federal government is to be constructed will render it sufficiently dependent on the people, or it will not. On the first supposition, it will be restrained by that dependence from forming schemes obnoxious to their constituents. On the other supposition, it will not possess the confidence of the people, and its schemes of usurpation will be easily defeated by the State governments, who will be supported by the people.

            On summing up the considerations stated in this and the last
            paper, they seem to amount to the most convincing evidence, that the powers proposed to be lodged in the federal government are as little formidable to those reserved to the individual States, as they are indispensably necessary to
            accomplish the purposes of the Union; and that all those alarms which have been sounded, of a meditated and consequential annihilation of the State governments, must, on the most favorable interpretation, be ascribed to the
            chimerical fears of the authors of them.

            He wrote the 2nd Amendment to ensure that the states maintained the militias they needed in order to protect themselves against any possible future attacks from outside the country and to protect the states citizens against attacks from natives who were still creating problems for many settlers. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OVERTAKING THE STATES!!!

          6. Tom_D44 September 21, 2013

            Well lets see. The people at that time who were shooting at them only had muskets too, including the government. So that keeps everything pretty well even. And today technologyhas developed so everyone has more capacity. But rather than bickering about the guns in our culture which provide a multitude of different services for people can we please have an honest discussion about the disfunctional people using these guns illegally and the influences in their lives? Can we please talk about the RAP and gang culture which preaches violence and hatred and was likely the cause of 13 innocent shootings in Chicago last week? Can we please talk about the media senationalism and the politicization of the Trayvon Martin case which has influenced young black people to “pop off” white people in revenge? Or the violent video game culture which were a big part of the lives of Adam Lanza and now Aaron Alexis. And how about the completely disengaged and completely disconnected family and friends of these people? No these are complicated issues where you can’t just create a simple “one size fits all” legislative solution and the government knows that. So they just want to look like they are doing something by attacking the easy target – the NRA and legal gun owners. Villainize those guys and you don’t piss off your base – right democrats?

          7. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG September 21, 2013

            You sound like my parents when Elvis Presley and the Beatles became popular. Please, gun violence is not caused by RAP music or Rock and Roll or Hip Hop.
            Gang violence is a serious problem and needs to be addressed, perhaps stop cutting educational budgets and passing a jobs bill getting people back to work, would help keep kids from joining gangs. Illegal guns are a huge problem, but the NRA getting a state to pass a law stopping the destruction of guns voluntarily turned into the police is not helping.
            Show me the supporting evidence that the coverage of the murder of Martin influenced young black people to “pop off”.
            Individuals who are influenced by violent video games, have much more serious problems that cause them to commit mass murder.
            These are serious issues and need to be addressed, however the people preaching hatred and violence are the GOP Politicians and the “Extreme Religious Right”.
            You do not want Villainize the NRA who are nothing more than pimps for the gun manufactures, because you don’t piss off your base – right republicans?

          8. Tom_D44 September 21, 2013

            “gun violence is not caused by RAP music…” – You are right, just in the same way as it is not caused by the gun. It is caused by the individual who is either sick, or making decisions that most other people wouldn’t. Still, i don’t see articles in the Memo that address all these issues as a whole – only the pick and choose variety of articles and the gun, and the NRA are what they pick. That shows a reluctance to accept the problem in its entirety and there is only one reason for that – influencing politics. Inevitably, however, the exposure to RAP music and their lyrics desensitizes young kids to this kind of violence – just like the video games do.
            The most disturbing part of your post, however, is your solution that spending more money on schools is the answer. Schools don’t raise children – parents and families do. And these people all seem to come from some kind of screwed up family environment. Schools have no control over kids today. Teachers are afraid to say anything for fear of retribution by the school system, the legal system, the parents or even the the kids themselves. So teachers stay out of the confilcts. Didn’t you hear about the 3 15 year olds who beat the crap out of one 13 year old on the bus in St. Petersburg, Florida because the kid told someone at the school about some involvement these other kids had with drugs. Not one person, including the adult bus driver did a thing about it, but there was plenty of video taping going on. Who is teaching these kids about what is right or wrong? Who is supposed to be? I am pretty sure that pumping more money into the school system is not the answer. But I also don’t think that there is a government solution short of enforcing the exiting laws as whatever deterrant it can possibly be. This is an alarming breakdown in the culture of our country which can only be fixed by people who have had enough and choose to stand up against political correctness that turns a blind eye to this and take personal responsibility for their part in fixing their own families – rather then engaging in self indulgence and blaming everyone else and everything else for life’s problems.
            And actually that is not the most disturbing part of your post because your accusations that the “GOP and Extreme Religious Right are the source of such hatred and violence is so baseless and ignorant as to be not worthy of a response. That is left wing propaganda pure and simple and nothing more.
            The NRA, well you can be upset with them all you want because they are a large lobby for a cause you don’t happen to believe in. But that is how our system works, unfortunately. But really, can you tell me how different they are from the powerful lobbyists on the left? How many billions of dollars did the labor unions spend to influence elections. How may boots on the ground did they have to drive people to the poles – people who would otherwise not gotten up off their owne a$$es to vote because they really don’t care at all. And to make sure they voted, and voted correctly, how much did they spend to give them food and money to make sure they showed up for the bus ride? Oh but that’s ok because they are on your side. Hypocrisy? You bet.

          9. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG September 21, 2013

            I don’t hate the NRA because they are pimps for the gun manufactures, I don’t agree with them because they use to be for sane, sensible gun safety laws. However, this PepeLaPew has taken over, they preach fear, conspiracy.
            The GOP and Religious Right Extremist don’t preach hatred and fear? Where were you doing the 2012 election.
            My husband has guns for hunting, target shooting and protection and he agrees there needs to be sane, sensible gun safety laws.
            I will not convince you and you will not convince me, so Good day and enjoy your weekend.

          10. Tom_D44 September 21, 2013

            Disqus – i was right there during that election. I saw hatred being fueled by both sides. Actually with the aid of the media I saw the left as nastier and more manipulating, but maybe that was just because the media validated it, while dismissing the very same kind of things coming out of the right. Never-the-less, they were all fighting to win – albeit i didn’t agree with any of their tactics. But if you want to be an honest person in politics you will never win and that is a fact. It has become an ugly process. If your point is that the left played fair and the right just threw out hatred and preached violence then you are clearly seeing things through filtered lenses. Ironically enough, I also watched as the left threw out the same accusatons of Bush’s war crimes as the right is now doing to Obama – but the left is conveniently silent on Obama’s war plans. Is that politicization or are there really principles that the left stands for? Where are all those anti-war people rallying now?
            I too am a gun owner, and i don’t really own them because i think that the government is going to take over and steal my property. Even as a gun owner and supporter, I too am for sensible gun regulation, but I don’t trust the government’s process of rubberstamping some “one size fits all” solution upon all people as we have all been burned by that process many times before. Before i give up any rights i want to understand how this will make us all safer. What crimes will it prevent. Why don’t the laws we have work already? I ask you this one question, would the new gun laws that were being proposed have prevented anything in the case of Adam Lanza? He stole his guns from his mother and didn’t even have a problem killing her for them. In this case i see a mother who was hiding her head in the sand about how seriously sick her child was. Would it have changed anything in the case of Aaron Alexis? While he did buy his guns legally, he bought a shotgun and 2 handguns. The assault weapons ban and magazine limitations would have done nothing to prevent this and he passed the background checks. Sure there were red flags all over the place but none of the proposed legislation addressed any of these other issues. Now how about the thugs in Chicago that just shot up 13 people – think more background checks would have caught them? So what problems are we solving, other than the problems the politicians have because they need to show they are doing something, anything – just to get re-elected?

          11. idamag September 22, 2013

            Tom, I don’t belong to a political party. I don’t believe in them. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and James Madison warned against political parties. James Madison said they would cause division and chaos. His prediction was never more true. However the hateful name calling, like “socialist”, “Kenyan.” “Communist,” and “Killing grandma,” came from one party. Yes the other party did point out examples of Newt Gringrich’s description of “vulture capitalism.” Is that hate? I don’t think so. There is a difference in hate name calling and using examples.

          12. Tom_D44 September 22, 2013

            While I still am a registered republican, i have not supported them for a while. I consider myself an independent and will vote for whom i think is best for the people regardless of party. I agree with you that the 2 party system is dangerous for our country, as is the way people affiliate themselves and create this unwavering loyalty towards them.
            I am curious to your point, however, as you have clearly called out some of the major things the republicans did which you didn’t like and really brushed right past all the things the democrats did. Really? Is that all they really did was call out Newt? Once? Now is that really a fair analysis of how things have been going? Did you happen to see when they claimed Romney was a criminal and tax evader when there was no evidence to the contrary? Or how the man had abused his dog? Or how he was involved in some incident of bullying when he was in high school? Or how the man could care less who his garbage man was and never even came out to shake his hand? Really? Do you know your garbage man on a first name basis?How about the actual commercial run by the democrats showing grandma in a wheel chair being thrown off the cliff by a guy who looked remarkably similar to Paul Ryan? Or how about the speech by Alan Grayson showing graphs and charts of how the republican’s plan to fix healtcare was to “die, and die quickly”? How about the allegations about the tea party people and the extremism and violence they represent when their rally’s were anything but violent and extreme? How about when Nancy Pelosi, half sniffling and clearly distraught went on TV to talk about how the tea party rallies were so scary they reminded her of just horrible things she had seen in the past? Yes that one was quite a show. How about the exploitation of the Trayvon Martin case without any facts or any verdict yet, and the organization of rallys in Orlando by the justice department and the Al Sharptons? What were they screaming on their megaphones? Where are those guys now, after the chicago shootings? How about the barrage of tag lines used by every single democrat i ever saw on TV…the rich…and fair share. Was that meant to bring people together? How about the president coming onto TV last week accusing congress of extortion, or in his state of the union address when he accused the supreme court of legislating from the bench even before any supreme court ruling came out on obamacare? How about the shoe that was thrown at George Bush (which i know didn’t come specifically from the democrats but if they could have….)? And they certainly applauded it. And, finally, how about the hatred that was directed at GW which could be considered equally as bad as what is thrown at Obama?
            So all of these things were either gaffs to you, or innocent misunderstandings? Were they all really meant bring people together – because you know these people are all leaders, right? And leaders who are in a position of power and influence can either choose to bring people together or split them apart. Are you truly not aligned with one party because you seem pretty biased. Now for my biggest example of leftist hatred – have you ever looked at the e-mail blast sent out by the Memo every day, and how they sell the stories that they write? Have you looked at the headlines and really thought about how they effect their readers? Are they meant to be objective or are they meant to drum up the hatred of the right that this website so openly endorses?

          13. idamag September 22, 2013

            You seem to forget the dog story was milked by Romney’s fellow Republicans who were also running for president. Showing a dog strapped to the roof of a car is a long way from hate rhetoric. As for Nancy Pelosi’s remarks against the tea party – that is not hate that is true. Facts are not hate. As for the shoe throwing – typical of some to blame the Democrats for that. It happened in the Mideast and was perpetrated by a Mideasterner.

          14. Tom_D44 September 22, 2013

            Idamag – people like you kill me. If you look at my post you will see that nowhere in it do i protect or defend the republicans. I am critical of them all and I thought i was pretty clear on that. However, i did throw out quite a few examples of devisive speech on the liberal side for which you picked a few week examples. Typical. So really, Nancy Pelosi’s comments were not designed to promote hatred, or dislike, or disrespect or anything that you might want to call it, against the tea party because the remarks were all based on facts? Great then. What are the facts? Exactly what tea party events or activities were so violent that she would have to show such fear of them? I will be waiting.
            And as for the shoe issue, i said it wasn’t a democrat who did it but I didn’t hear anyone on your side defending the president and his position from the lack of respect that displayed. What would you all be saying if it was Obama that had a shoe thrown at him?

          15. idamag September 23, 2013

            Let me remind you of the news coverage of tea party rallies: hateful rhetoric and hateful signs. Also let me remind you that the tea party house members have all signed a pledge to adelson not to raise taxes. They should be signing pledges to the American people, not to billionaires. Did you not hear tea party Michelle Bachmann say that 80% of the government was communists? How about questioning the President’s birth place? Did you fail to note the horrible things rush limbaugh says? How about Donald Trump and Glen Beck? Have any Democrats that can beat them? You didn’t quite understand that my point about Newt Gingrich was that, as a presidential hopeful, Newt Gingrich called Romney a vulture capitalist. The Democratic pac found examples of Bain Capital and vulture capitalism and used them. That was politics.

          16. Paul Julian Gould September 21, 2013

            Tom, as I’m really feeling too crappy today to be up to a debate (intestinal bug still hanging on), I’m not going to address the points you made with which I agree and which I disagree…

            I just wanted to give credit where it’s due… a couple of gratuitous snipes aside, it is what I’d consider principled opposition; this is contrary to the handful of trolls that sling one-line insults for the attention.

            Perhaps a discussion for another day, when I’m a bit more coherent.

          17. Tom_D44 September 21, 2013

            I generally expect to get gang tackled for posting anything on this website but your post was refreshing – even though you probably don’t agree with me on many issues. You are an honorable man. I apologize for the snipes, but they are just frustration, mostly at the politicians on both sides, and those who protect them, as i see them as corrupt, and self serving, and hate how they manipulate and mislead the people.
            I Hope you feel better soon.

          18. Paul Julian Gould September 21, 2013

            Thank you, sir, as was your post. Few understand that there is a difference between a snipe (and I chose the word carefully) borne of frustration, whether warranted or not (although I understand and rather agree with yours), and an insult, or a common descriptive label delivered in such a way that is insulting.

            I’ve said elsewhere that I owe no unshakeable allegiance to any specific, narrow ideology… I don’t tend to be one that labels very well, and never have been… my ideology, if there is one, is that I am an unshakeable theist, applying personality, awareness and caring to the Supreme, and that one ought to usually try to treat folks decently… anything else, to me, is commentary, emphasis, description and priority.

            But I’ve been called a pretty weird dude most of my life, so there’s that… /smile.

          19. morbius777 September 21, 2013

            Why don’t you get on the bandwagon to legalize dueling, Ron. I’d love to take you on.

          20. idamag September 22, 2013

            If you knew the Constitution as well as you think you do, you would have studied every argument to see what they meant when they passed each amendment. I am sure if our founding fathers could have foreseen what is happening, they would have made their language less nebulous. They would never have wanted our city streets, malls, theaters, schools, and other public places to become bloody war zones.

        2. idamag September 22, 2013

          Since I have nothing to hide, I don’t mind background checks.

      3. Greg Black September 20, 2013

        Medford? Isn’t there a mental health clinic by that name?

        1. morbius777 September 21, 2013

          I’m trying to get Ron to disclose his address to see if they are one in the same.

      4. tobyspeeks September 20, 2013

        Let me spell it out for you, knuckle head: Words create dialogue (in your case, hate), but they do not kill.

      5. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG September 21, 2013

        Doesn’t the first Amendment have exceptions? The second amendment states in part “a well regulated militia” Definition of Regulate: 1 a : to govern or direct according to rule b (1) : to bring under the control of law or constituted authority.

        In United States v. Miller (1939), the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government and the states could limit any weapon types not having a “reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia”.

        Nothing is absolute and stricter background checks, refusing to allow the sale of guns to people on terrorist list, convicted of domestic violence are reasonable safety measures. Limiting the amount of rounds in a clip again reasonable gun safety measure.

        1. medford_resident September 21, 2013

          I suggest you read the link I posted instead of pretending you know what the second amendment means.

          1. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG September 21, 2013

            What law school did you attend and what area of law do you
            practice in, that makes you a Constitutional Scholar?
            Gun enthusiasts such as you, and those who believe the “Government” is out to get them because they believe the extremist conspiracy theories, will always interpret the law to support their believes. However, because that is what you want does not necessary make if fact.

          2. idamag September 22, 2013

            There is nothing more dangerous than a paranoid with a gun. We are the government. We hire people to represent us in Washington. If there are problems, we fix them. Those people who don’t believe in our Democracy and don’t believe in our Democratic government should go somewhere else and stop being a drag on our society.

          3. morbius777 September 21, 2013


          4. kurtsteinbach September 22, 2013

            There is no link posted. not allowed on this forum….

      6. morbius777 September 21, 2013

        Ron, shouldn’t you be out chasing stocks? What’s your address?

      7. idamag September 22, 2013

        I hope you aren’t from Medford, Oregon because everyone I know, from Oregon, are quite intelligent. Of course doing background checks might interfere with the rights of mentally ill and felons.

      8. Justin Napolitano September 24, 2013

        I can’t kill you with my writing but just by moving my index finger I can make you dead. Do you get it? In fact there just about nothing that is dangerous that does not require training and a license. Driving a car, electrician, plumber, doctor, contractor, pilot, heavy equipment operator, ship captain, and many other professions and activities require a license and training. The reason is simple, people can be killed by unlicensed and untrained individuals. Now take the gun, by just a simple flick of the finger someone can be rendered dead, killed and cease to exist causing untold harm to that persons family friends and society at large. But you say, so what, anyone should have that power without restriction. I want you to ponder that when someone shoots you and during the millisecond that the bullet enters your body and you lay there thinking about your death how stupid you are.

        1. medford_resident September 24, 2013

          Dear woman,
          Move to a country who doesn’t have a right to bear arms.
          And let’s not talk about stupid right after you finished your $40k a year job

          1. Justin Napolitano September 24, 2013

            You don’t know me or anything about me. I think life is the most precious thing there is and you think that another human being is just target practice.

    2. sigrid28 September 20, 2013

      Great Post! Little correction: It’s 65,000 not 6000 bridges judged deficient in terms of safety.

    3. plc97477 September 22, 2013

      I think Alan Greyson nailed the right wing health care plan

    4. medford_resident September 22, 2013

      Dear idiot, do a search on “CBO says uninsured never falls below 30 million under obamacare”
      It will make your rant look uninformed.

  9. jointerjohn September 20, 2013

    Loopy Louis left out an important distinction. With a spoon you can only harm yourself.

  10. TheSkalawag September 20, 2013

    I’m not a conspiracy theorist but does anyone else see a correlation between the Colorado recall of legislators that backed gun legislation and the flooding of biblical proportions that struck Colorado afterward.
    Is it possible that God could be unhappy with the NRA and the Coloradans that back the recall.
    It is as real as some of the other goofball theories that make the This Week In Crazy List.

    1. sigrid28 September 20, 2013

      Here is a not so far-fetched connection: The Republican base that wants to turn Colorado over to the NRA also subscribes to the anti-science doctrine of climate change deniers on the far right, though they are happy enough to say these floods were of biblical proportions. They don’t see the role of climate change in the far more intense wildfire season that also rocked the state of Colorado this year.

      1. TheSkalawag September 20, 2013

        When you consider it it does make you say Hmmmm???

    2. plc97477 September 22, 2013

      Actually I have noticed that a majority of disasters seem to hit red states or states with a repug in the governorship.

  11. The_Magic_M September 20, 2013

    I think it’s way past time to attribute these so called “dumb RWNJ” opinions to what they really are: intellectual terrorism. These people aren’t (just) stupid, they have a clear agenda which includes riling up the base, hoping for either some of them to “snap” and “shoot a librul” or for many of them to “snap” and stage a coup.
    This isn’t funny anymore, this is serious un-American propaganda.

    Just take a look at Eric Rush. He claims Obama is “fomenting racial division”, yet he keeps yammering how the media never mention “black-on-white violence”. Yeah right, Eric, as if constantly mentioning “black-on-white violence” – as you and WND are doing it – helped overcome racial division and tensions. *facepalm*
    This guy isn’t dumb, he has an agenda. And not a good one.

    1. TZToronto September 20, 2013

      The near epidemic of black-on-white violence doesn’t exist.

  12. chevalski September 20, 2013

    Glenn is a lunatic not worth talking about

    1. kurtsteinbach September 22, 2013

      True, but he IS worth laughing at. The difference between him and Chris Rock, is Chris Rock is funny and Glenn Beck is a joke….

  13. Allan Richardson September 20, 2013

    According to Google, George Soros is Hungarian by birth, and the pictures look as white as Rush Limbaugh to me, so the “Soros gets away with murder because he’s black” theory is shot down right there. Maybe he can get away with murder because he’s white? Nah, that only applies to white CONSERVATIVES.

    If Gingrey has no idea what real poverty is, I invite the voters of Georgia to introduce him to unemployment next November. He is going to be competing for the votes of ALL parts of the state, against the daughter of a great bi-partisan Senator, not just for the votes of his gerrymandered district.

  14. medford_resident September 20, 2013


    “The constitutions of most of our States assert
    that all power is inherent in the people; that
    … it is their right and duty to be at all times
    armed; … ”
    Thomas Jefferson
    letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

    Firearms stand next in importance to the
    constitution itself. They are the American
    people’s liberty teeth and keystone under
    independence … from the hour the Pilgrims
    landed to the present day, events, occurences and
    tendencies prove that to ensure peace security
    and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally
    indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms
    anywhere restrains evil interference & they
    deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
    George Washington

    “The great object is that every man be armed.”
    and “Everyone who is able may have a gun.”
    Patrick Henry

    To preserve liberty, it is essential that the
    whole body of the people always possess arms and
    be taught alike, especially when young, how to
    use them.”
    Richard Henry Lee
    American Statesman, 1788

    The Constitution shall never be construed to
    prevent the people of the U.S. from keeping their
    own arms. – Samuel Adams

    The best we can hope for concerning the people at
    large is that they be properly armed. – Alexander

    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm
    only those who are neither inclined nor
    determined to commit crimes. Such laws make
    things worse for the assaulted and better for the
    assailants. – Thomas Jefferson

    To disarm the people is the best and most
    effectual way to enslave them. – George Madison

    Firearms are second only to the Constitution in
    importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s
    teeth. – George Washington

  15. rkief September 20, 2013

    Actually, as a gun non-enthusiast, I like Crazy Louie Gomert’s gun-spoon equivalence, where he says “we don’t get fat because we have too many spoons.” That’s a great analogy, except for one thing: the spoon, as the gun, is merely the delivery system, where the thing that fattens us is eating too much of the wrong kind of food; the thing that kills us – unless we are beaten over the head with it – is not the gun, but the bullets. So gun lovers would really be right if they said, “guns don’t kill, bullets do.”

    1. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

      Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. People with high-powered firearms kill a lot of people…

  16. I Zheet M'Drawz September 20, 2013

    <i?Victim In Fatal Car Accident Tragically Not Glenn Beck

    An honors student died in the crash today, leaving the nation to wonder why the grisly experience of burning alive was not reserved for Glenn Beck.

    1. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

      Hmmm… regardless of and aside from the content of your post… I’ve gotta say you’ve got one of the most creative, if gross, nicks I’ve ever seen… /chuckle

      1. kurtsteinbach September 22, 2013

        Well it was an Honor’s Student who died, so that automatically rules out bit brain, Glenn Beck….

  17. Landsende September 20, 2013

    Phil Gingrey complains he only makes $172,000 a year while only working 126 days a year. That comes out to $1,365 a day. I’m sure some poor person making minimum wage would gladly trade places with him. Yet he and the republicans just voted to cut food stamps for the needy and to not fund affordable healthcare for those that cannot afford it. He brags that aides can go on to make $500,000 a year working as lobbyists because of the influence they will have with these politicians after they leave. Just one more example of how out of touch politicians are with the people they are supposed to be representing.

    1. Paul Julian Gould September 20, 2013

      And the ire he is likely to face from the right won’t be for what he said, but rather that he said it out loud where it could be recorded… propriety, you understand… /s

    2. idamag September 22, 2013

      Having worked for Health and Welfare, Reagan’s welfare queen in a Cadillac is a myth. There were those who game the system, but they are so much in the minority as to almost be non existent. The ones getting food stamps usually worked one or more parttime jobs that did not pay enough to support them or their families. There are people because of underlying problems cannot compete in the big world without help. Some of those were developmentally disabled or physically disabled.

      1. kurtsteinbach September 22, 2013

        some of them, many of them, work for Walmart, unfortunately….

  18. Bill September 21, 2013

    Where does the GOP find these People and how can anyone believe anything they say?

    1. kurtsteinbach September 22, 2013

      The GOP doesn’t find them, they find the GOP all on their own. Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious….

  19. Arlen Cooper September 21, 2013

    Sounds logical to me.

  20. idamag September 22, 2013

    I don’t think mass murder has ever been done using a spoon.


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