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Thursday, January 17, 2019

When Wendy Davis proclaimed that she is “pro-life” – a description long since appropriated by conservatives opposed to abortion rights – the right-wing media practically exploded with indignation. How could she dare to say that? But having won national fame when she filibustered nearly 12 hours against a law designed to shutter Lone Star State abortion clinics, the Texas state senator with the pink shoes doesn’t hesitate to provoke outrage among the righteous.

Speaking to a crowd at the University of Texas in Brownsville last Tuesday, Davis, now running for governor as a Democrat, made a deceptively simple but profound declaration: “I am pro-life. I care about the life of every child: every child that goes to bed hungry, every child that goes to bed without a proper education, every child that goes to bed without being able to be a part of the Texas dream, every woman and man who worry their children’s future and their ability to provide for that.”

Her argument directly pierced to the contradiction within the right’s “pro-life” sloganeering. So far the feeble answer from the right is that Davis must be “lying” because nobody who supports a woman’s right to choose is pro-life.

But that response is merely a repetition that seeks to evade her deeper philosophical thrust. Whatever anyone may think about abortion, the persistent question for self-styled pro-lifers is why they tend to insist on making life so much more difficult for so many children who have entered the world. The same Republicans – and they are nearly all Republicans – most vocally opposed to reproductive rights are also most likely to cut assistance to poor families, infants and children at every opportunity, from the moment of birth long into adolescence and beyond.

The imperiled Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program is only the latest instance of this drearily familiar anti-life syndrome. This week, more than 48 million Americans, including 22 million children, saw their food stamp benefits cut as a temporary enhancement of the program expired. That was worse than bad enough. But next year if the Republicans have their way, the government would cut $40 billion from the program over the next 10 years – immediately depriving four million people of food assistance and then another three million every year.

Supposedly the excuse for this cruel scheme is to encourage able-bodied adults to work, even though jobs continue to be scarce. But what about the children who will go hungry, thanks to the budget advanced by the “pro-life” House leadership?

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205 responses to “Are Politicians Who Cut Food Stamps and Deny Health Access Truly ‘Pro-Life’?”

  1. Lynda Groom says:

    No. Nuff said.

  2. What they really are is pro-wealth disparity. It’s the common result opposition to reproductive rights, cutting food stamps and denying healthcare all share in common.

    We already saw how little they think of non-Republicans with their “voter integrity measures,” which many of them outright admitted were all about suppressing their opposition.

    So no, they are not pro-life. Just the opposite. They are pro-death. Nothing would please them more than to learn that tens of thousands of left-leaning Americans won’t be voting in 2014 due to being dead.

    • Independent1 says:

      Based on your comments, you may be interested in the fact that people do live shorter lives in red states than in blue states. On average, people in blue states live 2 years longer than those in red states. And taken to the extreme, there’s actually as much as 5 years difference between the life expectancy of 75 for 4 red states – MS, AL, WV & LA , and the life expectancy to 80 and over for 9 blue states: CA, CT, HI, MA, MN, NH, NJ, NY & VT. No blue state has a life expectancy of less than 78; and only one red state has a life expectancy of 80 – UT. And although some of the shorter lives are due to lifestyles in the deep south states, another big reason is red states lead the nation in violence and death rates caused by homicides and even auto accidents (23 of the 25 states with the highest auto accident death rates are red states).

      • neenta says:

        Here in Massachusetts (the “bluest” state) we also have the lowest divorce rate in the country. Family values go along with believing that ALL life is valuable.

        • Independent1 says:

          That’s another Republican ‘NOTION’ that needs to be dispelled. What Republicans call ‘family values’ should really be termed ‘Republican misguided family values’.

          • nirodha says:

            Southern red state family values generally include keeping women barefoot in winter and pregnant in summer. Women’s suffrage is a disastrous yankee notion. Constitutional rights only accrue to males of the caucasian persuasion. And don’t fergit, boys, save yer confederate money; the south will rise agin!

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            Nirodha, you and several others seem to always to have bring up something that happened over 150 years ago when posting about the South, why do you all do this? There are many in the South that work to improve it and make all things equal for all and we are not only ignored by the media but also by people that sure know better. You say things like”And don’t fergit( which by the way is spelled forgot), save yer(your )confederate money, the south(South) will rise again” statements like that doesn’t help untie this Country, it divides it more.
            When a lot Southerns say the “South will rise again” they mean it will lead the way to equal treatment of all people, the betterment of all people and better education not that there will slaves once again.
            There is still slavery in the world including this Country. Only now they call it trafficking people in this country but ii is slavery for the victims of the trafficking and most of that kind of slavery doesn’t happen in the South but the rest of the Country. Also the I notice that instead of actually posting about family values, many just to seem to talk about the family values of the South while totally ignoring the family values of Northern Republicans. There are a lot things wrong in the Southern states but there is some cases a lot more wro

          • nirodha says:

            I agree with the latter portion of your post, Barbara. The republican party seems to think that life begins at conception (no abortions, no matter what!) and lasts until birth (for the reasons that you have enumerated), and then let little babies fend for themselves with no state or federal aid for mother or child. This is the only country in the world that considers both zygotes and corporations to be human beings.

          • jonesky says:

            Or simply Breeder Values.

          • sharon says:

            I will use that. Thank you for the term “Breeder Values”

          • jonesky says:

            You’re very welcome.

          • Mark Forsyth says:

            Or how about Ignorance on Parade.

          • Independent1 says:

            Certainly, much of what gets spewed during the supposedly ‘Family Values’ conferences that Republicans have can certainly be described as TOTAL IGNORANCE.

          • Mark Forsyth says:

            Indeed!

          • Not even. Thanks to groups like the Family Research Council and the American Family Association, “Family” has become a code word for “bigoted narcissism.”

            On all issues, there are basically two camps. On one side are the blue states, who are focusing on the problems, and on the other side are the red states, who just love to rant about them.

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            Not all people in the Red state love to rant about about them, there are far more that are fighting against food stamps cuts and the abandoning of children and their need for food, housing, medical, dental, eye care and education by Republicans so their rich donors(0wners) can add more money to the more they can spend in 4-5 generations they all ready have.
            Also there are many in the blue states that would feel right at home in the red states because of the way they think and do . So why not just say there are to two groups of people, one group focuses on the problems and the other side rants about them and do all they can to make the problems worst instead of blue state-red state.

      • robertbenefiel@att.net says:

        Love analysis based upon statistics. I believe you can learn vast amount of information if you know how to analysis the data. Here is a fact for you
        that you may already know. There are counties in West Virginia where the life of the males is 64 years of age. Lower than many so-called third world countries.

        • WhutHeSaid says:

          And that’s not even counting the heartbreaking life expectancy statistics of the local sheep population.

        • Independent1 says:

          I’m sure that GOP governance taken to the extreme could result in significantly shortened lifespans. The GOP’s misguided notion of cutting state budgets and services to the bone can really lead to a downward spiral with residents getting less and less of the healthcare, food and even just basic services they need to live long and productive lives. I’m sorry to hear it’s reached the point you describe in some counties of WV. Voters really do need to wake up to the dangers they face by voting today’s Republicans into political office.

        • plc97477 says:

          Maybe the red states are trying to do away with social security by ensuring that no one lives long enough to apply.

      • Barbara Morgan says:

        If Republican policies doesn’t shorten people live the stress caused by what they are always turning to do or take away from all people shortens it especially when people hear their safety net needs to cut or done away with so that people that already more money than they could spend in 4-5 generations can accrue more money.

    • tax payer says:

      People die daily and ( yes ) they won’t be voting, so let’s hope they did vote, when they were alive.

    • kanawah says:

      Because in the red states most of the recipients of the assistance the Transylvania tea bags are cutting actually vote for the asses, it is their voters that will be cut off form the ballot box.

      I have seen the voter lines in a couple of red states where most of the people in line are unemployed, grossly over weight, and when asked , plan to vote for the “right wing nuts”. Most receive multiple forms of government assistance. (food stamps, SSI, Medicaid, etc”. The candidates they are voting for are the ones putting forth the proposals to cut the programs these voters depend on for their existence.

      • Independent1 says:

        Yes, it must be that Republicans in general have so much tunnelvision that not only can’t Republican legislators see clearly what’s really needed for them to govern states they control wisely, even the Republican electorate has such tunnelvision that they can’t tell when the candidates they’re voting into office are doing everything they possibly can to take them to the cleaners (in every way that that’s possible)!!!

  3. Independent1 says:

    How can people living in red states claim to be pro-life, when red states clearly lead the nation with the Americans that have the lowest life expectancies while not one red state is doing anything about it – trying to help theire residents live longer. In fact, red states are continuing to cut budgets and services to their residents who need life giving help the most (good healthcare) while being absolute hypocrites by claiming themselves to be “pro-life”. Many in America have the notion that poor healthcare outcomes is the reason that America ranks poorly in life expectancy when compared to 17 other countries in the world while quite clearly a big reason for why Americans’ life expectancy is lower than these other countries is the poor life expectancy in almost every RED STATE. Poor life expectancy not only because red states shortchange their citizens in healthcare support, but also because their policies result in increased violence – red states lead the nation in accidental deaths resulting from all causes, including homicides, firearms deaths, auto accident deaths and deaths caused by just general violence.

  4. docb says:

    That is a rhetorical question , right? Not No but Hell NO!

  5. bernieo says:

    Finally a Democrat bothers to make this argument! What has taken so long? And why isn’t anyone talking about the most blatant example of “pro-lifers” hypocrisy, our high infant mortality rate. Denying health care costs lives, even those the right wing cares about, the unborn. This should have been a major talking point of Dems instead of just talking abut choice.

    • FT66 says:

      Better late than NEVER!

    • Independent1 says:

      Here are a few statistics to back up your statement on red states having high infant mortality rates:

      -11 of the 12 states that have the highest infant mortality rates in the nation are GOP-RUN STATES? With Mississippi having the highest infant mortality followed by Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, S. Carolina, Delaware, North Carolina, Georgia, Oklahoma, Indiana & Ohio.

      How much more hypocrital can Republicans get than to whine about abortions and then govern in a way that results in the women they force to carry babies to term having them dead or dying at birth or before their 1st birthday.

      • Barbara Morgan says:

        Not to mention many of the women. I knew that infant mortality rates for the most of the Southern States were high but did not realize that the same held true for states like Delaware, Indiana, Ohio, and Oklahoma. Texas and Wisconsin are number what in infant mortality?

    • robertbenefiel@att.net says:

      Infant mortality rates in the United States is very high. The U.S. is way down the list in its care of pregnant woman. Just think a Presidential candidate said one of his first goals if elected was to shut down Planned Parenthood Clinics. I can only shake my head and think how could this occur in the U.S. ?

      • Independent1 says:

        All because of Republicans’ misguided notion of what are true ‘family values’. A lot of it because they misinterpret the bible and get the notion that God has given them a right to be his vigilantes, which is something Jesus said they specifically do not have the right to do (in the parable of the weeds amongst the wheat – the bad among the good). God has never abdicated his right to be the only one who has the right to judge us and to set the overall guidelines for how we should live our lives.

        • Barbara Morgan says:

          They don’t read the Bible especially the New Testament , they just take someone else’s word that the bible says this or that. They also like to take things out of context from the Bible to prove their point which to me shows how stupid some of them are.
          I know that when I was growing up family values were lots different from what they are now. But to me family values means you don’t divorce a your wife because she was disfigured in an accident, or because she got older and isn’t the slim pretty girl you married especially since you aren’t that slim nice looking man she married either in order to marry a younger, richer and better looking woman like John McClain, John Bohener and Mitch McConnell has done.

      • kanawah says:

        The last UN report on world health care had the US at 52 in infant mortality. It also had the US at 48 in life expectancy.

        There are several “third world” nations that doing much better than we are.

        • robertbenefiel@att.net says:

          The United States has the means to address these issues, but not the will, or at least there are people who are in the position to block efforts to address these issues. Why is it that, for example, Republicans who represent impoverished states, say they do not need health insurance, and that they are doing fine without medical care. Please someone answer that? Terrible medical care, terrible dental care, terrible schools, but they are doing fine. What is with that?

  6. disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

    And as I keep ranting, and will continue to rant, until the Military gets paid enough that their families do not need “food stamps” in order to feed those same families, then we cannot reduce the food stamp program.

  7. John Kruger says:

    Pro-choicers are only anti-life in the narrowest sense, while pro-lifers are inescapably anti-choice.

    The pro-life stance fails even in its own goals.

  8. nana4gj says:

    Deliberately depriving people of resources for quality of life risks higher rate of all kinds of violence, including domestic violence and infant/child mortality from physical abuse and neglect.

  9. gvette says:

    Funny
    how the demonrats twist this one. Barry thanked God, for abortion clinics. You
    demonrats kill more then anyone. 1,024,407 abortions this year alone. Just think
    if your mothers liked it.

    We’d
    a had a lot less useless demonrats, to deal with.

    • bjbstarr11 says:

      Your rant is foolish. First of all, the Supreme Court ruled abortion is legal. Women should have the right to make their own choices. You do not have to agree with it, but you are not their judge and jury. Get a life and stop the hate. Second of all, the President does not run the abortion clinics. Third we are not demonrats. We do not want the GOP telling how to live. Just think why Gov. Romney did not win.

      • gvette says:

        Let’s hope for you sake, the supreme doesn’t say all demonrats have to jump
        into the Grand Canyon.

        You’d be in a world of shit. Hate. The only thing i hate, is the asswagon
        in the white house destroying our

        country. Oh yes, I know in your eyes he’s fixing everything. The trouble
        with you, is you can’t see down the road three feet.

        • Independent1 says:

          Yeah! I know gvette. Isn’t it just wonderful how well Republicans have such great foresight and see down the road!!

          So is that why:

          – Bush started a war based on lies and distortions that ended up killing more than 4,400 American soldiers in Iraq?
          – Is that why Bush also passed two unfunded tax cuts that simply funneled money to the already wealthy while running up 10 trillion in debt on a credit card?
          – Is that why along with starting an unwarranted war, Bush and Cheney granted no-bid contracts to their wealthy buddies in the defense industry so they could fraudulently suck trillions of dollars from taxpayers in the pretense of supporting the wars?
          – Is that why based on pressure from the Drug Lobby the Republicans added Medicare Part D as a clear giveaway to the drug barrens with a caveat that the government couldn’t negotiate drug prices?
          – Is that why after shoving a disasterous educational boondoggle federal mandate called The No Child Left Behind fiasco, Bush cut federal subsidies to the states every year to try and keep his deficit spending down almost driving half the American states to the verge of bankruptcy?
          – Was it the Republican foresight that prompted them to ignore every warning they got about the economy running amok because of their lack of oversight such as they allowed the biggest financial disaster to hit America, making the disaster of the Great Recession in the 1930s world-wide depression pale in comparison?
          – Was it the Republicans great foresight that caused Bush and Cheney to ignore 7 warnings from the CIA and then refusing to let either the CIA or FBI focus on stopping an al Qaeda attack which ended up with 3,000 Americans dying?

          If Republicans can really see past the end of their nose, why did they allow any of the above to take place?? and it’s quite possible if they could see past the end of their nose more than 10,000 Americans who died in 9/11, the Afghan war and Iraq could still be alive.

          Just keep on being an idiot!! And by the way, let me see you list all the things that Obama is doing ‘ IN DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY’. Let’s hear them dimwit!!!!!!

          • gvette says:

            Oh, I don’t know. Barry wanted to bomb Syria. then it took Putin to save
            his ass on that one. Barry gives

            money to support The Muslim brotherhood, for which his brother is a member.
            He sends, money, and arms to the same people that took down our towers. All
            that you wrote, means nothing. As usual, you only know what Soros tells you.

          • Independent1 says:

            Oh! So now you’re resorting to fantasies in describing what Obama is doing to ruin America – Wow!! You really need help. I didn’t realize you were playing that far into never, never land with you comments – all of which are pure BS.
            And just for your edification nitwit!! Had Obama not insisted on keeping the pressure of America bombing Syria, SYRIA WOULD NEVER HAVE AGREED TO GET INTO NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT DESTROYING ITS ARSENAL OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS!!!!
            Syria made it clear THAT THE ONLY REASON THEY CONSIDERED DOING SO, WAS BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL AMERICAN AGRESSION!!!
            So had Obama not kept up that threat, there would have been nothing for Putin to have tried to negotiate!!!! And by the way, it was vice President Biden who gave Putin the idea about Syria destroying its chemical weapons to wind down the American threat!!!!!
            JUST KEEP ON BEING STUID GVETTE!!!

          • gvette says:

            What world do you live in? Yes, a Joe screwup, and Putin saved the day, sorry to say. Let’s see, today Barry removed sanctions from Iran. Try to keep up with the news.

          • Independent1 says:

            Putin didn’t save diddly squat!! Putin’s nothing but a grandstanding idiot just like you are!!!

          • gvette says:

            He saved Barry’s ass. You can’t even admit to the truth. then again, lies make up what you believe.

          • Independent1 says:

            What BS!! He didn’t save Obama from diddly squat – only in the demented minds of clueless idiots such as yourself. Nobody needed Putins two cents worth to figure away around the situation – the idea had already been tossed around before Putin even suggested it.

            And exactly what did it save Obama from?? Continuing to put pressure on Syria for their totally humane killing of Syrians using chemical weapons??? At least what Obama was doing is far better than what Reagan and his criminal administration did back in the 1980s when they actually helped Saddam use chemical weapons on the Iranians!! Now there was an example of a Republican being totally inhumane!!!

          • gvette says:

            He stopped us from getting into a war we can’t afford. Oh, and inhumane? let’s look at the millions of babys aborted each year. You are a typical demonrat. You pick, and choose what’s brutal.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            Um….I hate to mention this, but you may want to reconsider the irony of ignorant redneck bigots flapping their toothless gums in public as an argument against abortion. It may be counterproductive is all I’m sayin’

          • susiep44 says:

            Perfectly intelligent, creative and POSITIVE people keep getting sucked into useless argument with the ignorant, destructive and NEGATIVE people like gvette. People like them will never change because they see all life in a negative light. A lot of energy is wasted on them. There are a few people out there who can change their minds with intelligent discourse but gvette is not one of them and getting into a name-calling, childlike back-n-forth is worthless.

          • kanawah says:

            gvette, did you miss you meds?

          • kanawah says:

            Another bull’s eye from Independant1.
            I just wish I could state things as eloquently as you.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            WTF — Who let you out of your trailer again?!

            I told you the last time: We don’t cotton to no redneck, bacca-spittin’, chicken-lickin’, beer-fartin’ yahoos wandering around outside their trailer parks! Now you get right back in there, Missy, and wash your T-shirts, brush your tooth, or otherwise find something useful to do. Now!

          • gvette says:

            Who gives a rats ass what you think, pea brain! Did your group let you play with the only brain today?

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            You sure seem to have a hangup about rats.

            Well, let me tell you — if you cleaned up that pig-sty of a trailer once in a while (no, I don’t mean sweeping the garbage under the couch), you might not have all those pesky critters running around. Oh yes, the exercise would do you wonders too. Just sayin’

          • gvette says:

            The reference to rats, is the size, and scope of YOUR brain!

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            I’ll try not to reference your biggest issue. But hey — exercise is a good thing, pumpkin!

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            Real rednecks and hillbillies do not like someone like gvette being called redneck or hillbilly since it clear he has never worked in a coal mine nor raised billy goats.
            Calling a person a red neck meant that they worked in the coal mines and wore a red kerchief around their neck to keep their shirt collars clean and to cover their mouth and nose when the coal dust was extra heavy in the mines.
            Calling someone a hillbilly meant the person raised billy goats in the hills of Scotland and the South.
            They were not used to insult people then but there are plenty of people that use these names now as insults toward so and so like gvette and think they are clever. I never mined coal nor raised billy goats but I did grow up in the hills and valleys of a Southern state and every time I see these old fashion nicknames of respect used like you just used them when posting your answer to the nothing calling itself gvette this red neck hillbilly woman got mad enough to fight. Also caused her to wonder why you and others don’t use the insulting names that other groups of people are called also instead of using just redneck or hillbilly to insult so and so like the one you just insulted.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            Well, allow me to offer my sincere apologies to any rednecks and/or billy goats who may be offended by my posts. I know all about rednecks — trust me on that — and I agree that gvette may actually be an imposter.

            Where I grew up redneck was synonymous with a snitch or ignorant asshole, and to rat somebody out was often phrased as “so-and-so necked on so-and-so”, and doing something really shitty often drew the comment “that’s really red, man!”. This too will probably offend you — sorry. But above all else, rednecks were known for their racial intolerance and frequent usage of the n-word.

            This is an online forum. If you want respect for being a redneck then feel free to post some intelligent discourse on the topics at hand, and you will earn your respect. Otherwise I’d suggest putting your big girl pants on. It’s a mean old world, and I don’t run it.

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            You don’t like it when someone just wants you to understand the history and the real meaning of words that you use to insult others . I put my big girl pants on probably more years ago than you have been alive. Also where is it that redneck is the same as being a snitch or ignorant Ahole?

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            I don’t know what leads you to presume that you have something to teach me about rednecks or hillbillies. I very sincerely doubt that you ‘put your big girl pants on more years ago that [I’ve] been alive’. If such were really the case you should’ve long ago learned a) about making unwarranted assumptions, and b) the absolute irony of protesting redneck connotations by stating things like “this redneck hillbilly woman got mad enough to fight”.

            I grew up in a state famous for both rednecks and hillbillies — perhaps the state most famous for them. Whether you like it or not, it certainly appears to me that I know more about what it means than you. In case you are interested (and doubly if you aren’t), the terms ‘redneck’ and ‘hillbilly’ are not interchangeable — at least not to those who are familiar with the real world where such terms apply. The term ‘redneck’ has long carried a more intolerant, bigoted, and very often violent connotation. The term ‘hillbilly’ was more often used to describe poor rural — especially ‘back-woods’ — people without the bigoted or mean-spirited attributes reserved for ‘rednecks’.

            During my youth the contemporary usage was generally very different for the two terms. A hillbilly was a quaint and/or funny character who was a bit backwards and sometimes uneducated, but generally agreeable and usually accepted without much reservation (even if teased a bit). The term ‘redneck’ was reserved for those who were intolerant, disagreeable, willfully ignorant, and often violent (mad enough to fight?). Because a ‘redneck’ was usually seen as a troublemaker and prone to violent, disagreeable (very often racist) behavior they were generally not readily accepted and not usually very welcome.

            There is one last association that quickly distinguished the term ‘redneck’ from ‘hillbilly’ — racial animosity and the Confederate flag. If one saw a pickup truck rolling down the street adorned with a Confederate flag it spelled ‘redneck’ — particularly if the occupants yelled racial insults as they passed. I have absolutely no qualms about insulting such people, nor do I ask for anyone’s leave to do so. These are usually the same people who today call themselves ‘Tea Party’.

            So you may be angry about my usage of the terms if you wish, but in my experience they generally only offend those whose actions represent the real-life negative connotations I mentioned above. Interestingly, it’s really similar to the usage of the n-word: It depends who is saying it, who they are saying it to, and how they say it that makes all the difference.

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            I grew up poor in a state that has been made fun for years for being hillbillies and red necks. Since I know that most of the time these terms are used by people who don’t know where the nick names came from and that they were once a term of respect for coal miners and to a certain extend for the people that lived in the hills of Virginia and later West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, N. C. and other Southern states that are mountainous and hilly . I have the tendency to get angry and tell them their use of words like red neck and hillbilly is insulting these hard working people of yesteryear and even some of today, because in the coal mining, farming area I grew up in some of the older miners still have that red kerchief around their neck when they go to work. My actions do not represent any real life negative connotations but sometimes my anger about being thought of a ignorant red neck hillbilly because I grew up in the South boils over and I tell people like I did you the original meaning of the nicknames red neck and hillbilly came from and what they mean. I never said the words were interchangeable, they wouldn’t be since a red neck worked in the mines and the original hillbillies raised billy goats on the hills of Scotland and the later ones lived on the hills in the different Southern states but were either farmers, loggers, or raised animals like cattle and goats. You are right about my use of angry red neck hillbilly woman especially since I never worked in mine neither did my Dad or my brothers. I grew up before the Civil Rights act became law and grew up when segregation was legal .Didn’t understand why there was segregation then and don’t understand why so many are trying to reinstate segregation today.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            I didn’t mean to imply that your actions represented the real-world negative connotations. I actually was implying the opposite, that is, I was a little surprised at your post. Most people I know will simply laugh at the usage — especially when it’s being used against somebody who is obviously bigoted or racist. This is usually my intended target, and my goal is usually to elicit straight talk. No talk is straighter than that motivated by ‘getting one’s dander up’, and while it may seem a rather odd method I find it usually pretty effective.

            I’ve known plenty of coal miners. Some of my schoolteachers were former coal miners as well. While the origins of the terms ‘redneck’ and ‘hillbilly’ were correctly pointed out in your post, the contemporary usage is what I concern myself with, obviously. I want to flush out contemporary views and opinions on the topics of the day. My style may be unusual, but it usually will quickly flush out a bigoted rant or the exact opposite.

            It seems to me that you and I probably kicked around some of the same dirt, and I was also around for the passage of the Civil Rights Act. I’ve seen how much things have changed in my lifetime regarding equality of all kinds, and I’m always amazed at how little some people realize about the evil things that have happened in the very recent past and can still happen if we aren’t vigilant and progressive.

            I hope this helps explain my usage of some of these terms (and others). There are enough people out here who write inspirational prose, and I enjoy reading that — but it’s the emotionally-charged discussions that often make us think the hardest.

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            I think we are on the same page and maybe we both right in the terms we use to express our thoughts. I have always been one to look for words that express what I think without really being insulting because sometimes those insults reflect badly on ones that were or are good hard working people because to many use the words as insults and slurs.That is why I called the poster a so and so instead of other words I could have used.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            Well, I think it’s simply a matter of style. I never was much of a conformist, and I was never overly polite. I don’t care much about votes, either — I care about honest opinions.

            But I did incite you to post — didn’t I? And I don’t think anyone here sees you for the worse, southern gal or no. 😉

          • Sand_Cat says:

            You’re way too smart to get sucked into attempting to make a rational argument to this idiot. Give it up!

          • Independent1 says:

            I’m not delusional enough to believe I can change the mind of a bonafide wacko like gvette. I play along with some of these trolls hoping that something that comes out in the back and forth ends up being of some worthwhile enlightenment to a passing blogger with at least some common sense.

          • kanawah says:

            Very well written, and right on target.
            I have posted the same information, but not near as well stated.
            Very good writing. I have saved the post for future reference.

        • elw says:

          Just what has he destroyed?

          • gvette says:

            Let’s start with healthcare.

          • Independent1 says:

            More GOP idiocy!!!

          • elw says:

            Ok, let start there. What has exactly has been destroyed in the health care system?

          • gvette says:

            Millions of people not being able to keep what they had, and liked. See you dummies have to control everything. It WILL come back to haunt you. sooner then you think.

          • nirodha says:

            What they had was a scam foisted on them by unscrupulous republican insurance salesmen. Those poor folks were paying short money for next to nothing. They liked their insurance because some good old boy sweet-talked them with a bunch of BS about how good it was, when in reality it didn’t cover diddly-squat!

          • gvette says:

            like
            the rest of your buddies, you don’t know what’s in the bill, and the
            requirements are. As usual.

          • nirodha says:

            And of course, you DO know what’s in the bill. As usual. Hi, ho!

          • gvette says:

            I try to keep up, yes. Even though he’s changed it 17 times, illegally.

          • Independent1 says:

            If you’re so knowledgeable about ACA then you apparently know that before the GOP was against the personal mandate (when the Democrats decided to use it) that they were all for it. See this:

            In 2007, a year after the Massachusetts reform, Republican Senator Bob Bennett and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden introduced the Healthy Americans Act, which also featured an individual mandate and state-based regulated insurance markets called “State Health Help Agencies”.[52][62] The bill attracted bipartisan support but died in committee; however, many of the sponsors and co-sponsors remained in Congress during the 2008 healthcare debate.[63]

            By 2008 many Democrats were considering using this approach as the basis for comprehensive, national healthcare reform. Experts have pointed out that the legislation that eventually emerged from Congress in 2009 and 2010 bears many similarities to the 2007 bill[55] and that it was deliberately patterned after Romney’s state healthcare plan.[64] Jonathan Gruber, a key architect of the Massachusetts reform who advised the Clinton and Obama presidential campaigns on their healthcare proposals, served as a technical consultant to the Obama administration and helped Congress draft the ACA.[65]

            AND HERE’S WHERE HIPOCRATE MITCH DECIDED THAT EVEN THOUGH THE GOP HAD BEEN ALL FOR A PERSONAL MANDATE, SUDDENLY JUST TO MAKE OBAMA FAIL THE GOP WOULD BE AGAINST IT:

            With universal healthcare as one of the stated goals of the Obama administration, congressional Democrats and health policy experts like Jonathan Gruber and David Cutler argued that guaranteed issue would require both a community rating and an individual mandate to prevent either adverse selection and/or free riding from creating an insurance death spiral;[75] they convinced Obama that this was necessary, persuading him to accept congressional proposals including a mandate.[76] This approach was preferred because the President and congressional leaders concluded that more liberal plans such as Medicare for All, could not win filibuster-proof support in the Senate. By deliberately drawing on bipartisan ideas—the same basic outline was supported by former Senate majority leaders Howard Baker, Bob Dole, Tom Daschle and George J. Mitchell—the bill’s drafters hoped to increase the chances of getting the necessary votes for passage.[77][78]

            However, following the adoption of an individual mandate as a central component of the proposed reforms by Democrats, Republicans began to oppose the mandate and threaten to filibuster any bills that contained it.[49] Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell, who led the Republican congressional strategy in responding to the bill, calculated that Republicans should not support the bill, and worked to keep party discipline and prevent defections:[79]

            It was absolutely critical that everybody be together because if the proponents of the bill were able to say it was bipartisan, it tended to convey to the public that this is O.K., they must have figured it out.[80]

          • elw says:

            You put so much work into your responses, they show it and always have such good information in them. They are such a waste on gvette. I really hope other people are reading them.

          • Independent1 says:

            It is my hope that it’s other posters (not gvette or one or more of the other right-wing clueless trolls on the NM) who will gain some worthwhile insights from the facts I’ve been able to pull together and which trolls like gvette give me an excuse to post.

          • elw says:

            My over 3 decades as a Public Health Educator tells me that it will reach people out there. Keep it up. People change one small step at a time.

          • elw says:

            Is that a threat? They are pretty strong words for someone who bases their opinion from the same sources that were convinced that the GOP was going to gain the Presidency in 2012. In the long run, It really doesn’t matter how many peoples’ policies were discontinued, how and who it will affect will depend on how happy people are with the replacements. Don’t get too happy yet, you might find that it is your side that suffers the most when people find out how much better their insurance coverage is through the exchanges. The Stories coming from the States with their own exchanges are very positive and many of the horror stories that have been pushed by the Right are being disproven.

        • bjbstarr11 says:

          Get a life and grow up. I did not say I thought the President was doing everything right. I disagree with him on some issues. The difference is I respect and do not resort to name calling unlike the TP folks. Abortion is legal and you do not have to agree. If you feel so strongly, adopt some children that need homes.

        • nirodha says:

          As usual, your comments are specious and beyond contempt, not to mention off-point. Conason’s article is not about the president, or the SCOTUS.

    • sleepvark says:

      By your logic Jesus kills more babies than all abortions added together when you consider miscarriages and other unsuccessful births.

      • gvette says:

        Sorry. I have to remember the mentality, or lack there of, of a demonrat.
        Natural, or death by the hands of man. I know, it’s early, and you’re not awake
        yet.

        • Joyce says:

          give it up gvette. you’re losing AND a loser.

          • gvette says:

            Yes Joyce, that’s why Barry’s popularity rating just went into the
            thirtys

          • Independent1 says:

            Sorry Gvette, I’m not buying the results of either the two right-wing biased Gallup or Rasmussen polls that are out right now – both of them had Romney winning the 2012 election by a number of percentage points. We saw how ridiculous those polls were; and they’re no more accurate now.

          • elw says:

            Strange, where do you get that rating from? The latest Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll (November 8 2013) show the President’s approval ratings increasing and at 44% today.

          • gvette says:

            yes, it went back up a little, after he went out and made that half assed
            apology to people for them losing their coverage. More lies.

          • nirodha says:

            Why don’t you go back to your broken-down auto body shop and finish fixing Bubba’s 1974 Plymouth so’s ya’ll can git a 30 pack?

          • tax payer says:

            Maybe they can paint my 1953 Chevy since all it need now is a good paint job and I’ll sell it for a good price to someone that enjoys Classic Cars,

          • elw says:

            gvette, do you ever tell the truth? It never was in the 30’s. It is a tad hypocritical calling the President a liar, when you are caught in one.

          • gvette says:

            Is that way he was out apologizing? Let’s not forget, if you like it, you
            can keep it. That’s a lie. Oh wait, not for demonrats

          • elw says:

            And that excuses your lies how????

          • gvette says:

            I haven’t lied to you. That’s why I come over here. To see how you lie to each other. Barry hasen’t told the truth, since he’s been in office. That’s why he’s referred to as the liar chief!

          • elw says:

            “Yes Joyce, that’s why Barry’s popularity rating just went into the
            thirtys”
            I never said you lied to me. Read the quote above, it came from you. The Presidents approval ratings have never been in the 30s. That is why you never answered my question about where you got that figure from. You knew it was not true, which is a lie. You also lied in your response to me, the President is not referred to as the “liar chief,” except by people like you. It would have been more honest if you has say, that why I call him the liar chief. But no, instead you pretend that it is something everyone uses. There are prisons full of people who claim they are not lying and they didn’t do it.

          • gvette says:

            I chuckle. If you’d ever get out of the demorat sites, you’d see how most of the country sees this ass.

          • elw says:

            I already saw in the 2012 election when they returned him to office.

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            If you ever read a newspaper, news magazine or watched news broadcast that tell the true story, then you wouldn’t bother to post on this site since we all know you are a so and so liar that wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped you on all the sides of your head.
            Also your name calling of people that are Democrats or lean toward the left show that you are really not all there and only know how to post lies and call people names.

          • plc97477 says:

            That wasn’t a lie. He just didn’t expect people who had a piece of crap for insurance would want to keep it.

          • gvette says:

            As usual, being an uninformed demorat, you don’t get it. People are losing
            their coverage, because it doesn’t

            meet Barry’s guide. In it, everyone has to have maternity coverage. Men
            don’t need it. That’s just one.

            There are others. Before you harpoon me, read a little.

      • tax payer says:

        If there is a Jesus he should let everyone live and the earth would be full to capacity with people that will never die.

    • Mortalc01l says:

      Actually Republicans have abortions at a higher rate than Democrats; go look up the statistics. Red states have higher abortion rates, teenage pregnancy rates, lower birth rate survival rates and the list goes on.

      Also, can you explain to me why a Republican politician, a Mr. Scott Desjarlais, who says he is profoundly against abortion and rallies against it in public, forced his wife to have not one but TWO abortions prior to their marriage.. And THEN, got one of his patients pregnant and tried to force HER to have an abortion?

      Here is your Republican anti-abortion politician in his own words:

      A decade before calling himself “a consistent supporter of pro-life values,” Tennessee physician and Republican U.S. Rep. Scott DesJarlais supported his ex-wife’s decision to get two abortions before their marriage, according to the congressman’s sworn testimony during his divorce trial.

      Obtained by the Chattanooga Times Free Press, the couple’s 2001 trial transcript also confirms DesJarlais had sexual relationships with at least two patients, three coworkers and a drug representative while he was chief of staff at Grandview Medical Center in Jasper, Tenn. During one affair with a female patient, DesJarlais prescribed her drugs, gave her an $875 watch and bought her a plane ticket to Las Vegas, records show, in order for her to get an abortion.

      So, Republicans are not only the biggest abortionists, but massive, sickening hypocrites into the bargain.!!! The stench of your hypocrisy knows no bounds and like other Republicans, you live in a mist of delusion, denial and fantasy.

      • Barbara Morgan says:

        Mortalc011, Information came out that she had an abortion first while they were living together and weren’t getting along according to the divorce hearings papers that his ex allowed to be released to the news paper, the state Democratic Party and the public and she had a second one after they married because she was taking an experimental drug( does not say why she was talking the experimental drug) and was not suppose to get pregnant. He also had a sexual affair with the wife of another doctor.
        The woman that got the watch and the ticket for the trip(which she says she didn’t use) wasn’t pregnant but was telling him she wouldn’t be him any more and he was trying to bribe her to not break up with him. After he tried once again to restart the affair months later she found a new doctor.
        . He and his then now ex wife recorded a discussion between a patient that had moved to Atlanta GA and him where he tired to pressure her into having an abortion then he tried to explain away the pressure by saying he knew she wasn’t pregnant and that was why he was saying what he said to her. Both of his former patients -lovers said he gave them prescriptions for medicines that weren’t used in their medical treatment and smoked pot with both women.
        Here is a fact that was not published in the Times Free Press but I found out from someone I trust and who has ties to the law enforcement agencies in Marion County that where Jasper is located. Files disappeared before the 2010 elections that showed how many times law enforcement was sent to Dr. Jarlais home which he stayed in even after his wife filed for divorce because of spousal abuse by both parties and were there were complaints from his soon to be ex wife saying that he was standing outside her locked bedroom door threatening to shoot her sometimes and at other times he would say he was going to shot both of them or sometimes say he was going to kill himself, I don’t remember what she said the police called what he doing with the gun but basically he was pulling the trigger repeatedly as if he was shooting the gun, but it was unloaded.
        This same “Pro Life” Republican also tried to get his child support cut while running for office the first time claiming that his children from his first marriage stayed with him and his present wife than they did their Mom. I don’t think the child support payments were cut.
        The judge that finally released the divorce proceeding papers did not do so until after the 2012 election and the people in district 4 had reelected the Doctor, so many that vote for him were shocked and mad at what they learned about him to late.

    • kanawah says:

      Try reading you buy bull.
      According to it, you god does not consider a person to be alive until the first breath.

    • Barbara Morgan says:

      So Democrats kill more than anyone and I guess you mean the President thanked God for abortion clinics, hard to tell if he is who you are talking about since Barry is nowhere in his name? Those two statements and your name calling of people that you don’t agree show where your information comes and since it comes from Fox not news and people like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh not any of it is to be believed.
      Also you so and so do you have any idea how many females died from illegal abortions or beating from their parents or the sperm donor so no would know that the female was pregnant and how many were made sterile because of back abortion? How many females died because the biological material or a baby had died inside of her and the doctors couldn’t take it out of her until her ninth month if she lived that long with a decaying biological matter in her womb. ?
      Also my mother could not even get her tubes tied after she had me, her third child let along an abortion. Back when I was born, a woman could not get her tubes tied unless she had 5 living children and her husband agreed to it . And all abortions were illegal no matter what.
      You are probably one the males that donates the sperm a woman needs to get pregnant then when she does get pregnant runs the other way out of the county, the state if possible out of the country so if she gives birth to a live baby you won’t have to support it.
      Also where did you get your figures for abortions for this so far from? Fox not news or from one it’s empty airheads that can’t tell the truth from a hole in the ground.

      • gvette says:

        I’m sorry Barbara that you’ve been brainwashed by your demonbrat party.You
        choose to not believe what Barry is. He has used several names through the
        years. Do I care what you believe? Not really. I’m sorry you’re so gullible
        though. You probably believed you could keep your doctor, or your policy. Just
        more lies

        out of Barry’s mouth. That’s why he’s on his half assed apology tour. Yes,
        that’s all lies too.

        As for where I get my information from. A lot of people Barbara. Some
        day you’ll stop just getting your news from the George Soros approved news
        sources.

        If my calling you all, demonrats, or demorats, it fits. Have a great
        day!

  10. latebloomingrandma says:

    I listened to Chuck Todd interview Rick Perry this morning about how wonderful Texas is. He asked him about TX’s 50th place finish in percentage of people covered by health insurance and why he didn’t expand Medicaid or put forth his own exchanges. His answer blew my mind. Texans value their “freedom” and they want it this way; they don’t want the federal gov’t telling them what to do. ( Hmmm—wonder why they have thousands arrive when a free clinic for a few days was offered. ) He said people may not have insurance, but they get health care in some of the best facilities in the world! I wonder if they can just show up in the ER every month to get their supply of insulin? If that’s the case, that the uninsured get first class care, why should anyone in TX bother with insurance at all? I wish Chuck would have probed his response a little more.
    Did anyone read Time magazine’s cover story of the TX miracle? There was very little covered–a passing mention really- of TX’s miserable social inequalities. TX seems to me to be a microcosm of the haves and have-nots. And apparently their people like it this way.

    • Independent1 says:

      If Texans really like it the way Perry has manipulated the states’ funding of state services, including police protection (it ranks aroud 46th in the nation with respect to that), it’s truly unfortunate – and you can be sure, that with Texas ranking in the bottom five of more than 23 subjective measures when compared to other states, Texas is the last state I would consider moving to in these current times.

      • dpaano says:

        Unfortunately, I was born in Texas, but my parents had the brains to move us out to California when I was 3 months old. I have NO desire to ever go back to Texas even for a visit!! Thanks mom and dad!

    • 1standlastword says:

      This can happen because poor and uneducated people cannot defend their rights and their trust, faith and loyalty is easily exploited by politicians like Trick Perry

      It’s called emotional rape

    • Pretty Little Ballcrusher says:

      He respects the freedom we value so much that he would veto laws passed by the conservative-controlled legislature, including laws championed by his own base. I don’t even have the energy to outline how much this dude hates freedom.

    • 4sanity4all says:

      Well, that kind of explains why they say the crazy things they say- Rick Perry actually believes that Texans prefer to forgo healthcare and food. So then, it makes SENSE for their politicians to deny the expansion of Medicaid, or make the ACA easily available to their citizens. It explains how they can so easily close clinics in rural areas, as well as vote to cut food stamps. And I though Bizarro World existed only in Superman comments.

  11. Reynardine says:

    People, especially c**tpeople, are sinful. Fetuses are punishment for sin. Once they are born, they are sinful, and must be punished through suffering. In short, “pro-life” advocates are actually anti-“sin”, synonymous in their minds with anti-c**t.

    • nirodha says:

      Excuse me, but what on earth are you going on about? Please explain.

      • Reynardine says:

        I am not expressing my opinion. I am paraphrasing theirs. This is actually what the good church fathers said openly not that long ago, and a few have said that openly again. They hate babies,.seeing them as greedy, demanding, shameless, and sinful. The sole purpose they see in them is as suitable punishment for women for the “sin of Eve” you know, having those irresistible horseshoe megnets in their crotches that magically suck in innocent penises.

        • Tim says:

          Are Politicians Who Cut Food Stamps and Deny Health Access Truly ‘Pro-Life’?
          Sounds like they’re pro weight loss to me….

          Oh, by the way. In that other discussion 5 days ago, I was not able to reply to you and my comment with the links to the military documents were deleted by their moderator because they cannot handle any truth there.. So, basically, you answered that the prison camp plans I linked up are for “foreigners” and then went on a diatribe about legal rulings from the 1980’s justifying moving those prisoners to camps.

          However, what you missed, because you didn’t even read the link, was that the Army document states that part of identifying and recording who you have in the camp is to list a Social Security number. The camps are for Americans, not foreigners. The camp designs include separate facilities for court trials, with adjacent jail facilities as well as a ‘morgue’ and even “re-education” facilities where you can be de-programmed/re-programmed by qualified personnel. The camp document also comes complete with “shoot to kill” orders for anyone trying to escape. Doesn’t sound like a refugee camp or a summer camp to me. Sounds like a government brainwashing camp for political dissidents with addendum facilities to try and execute the political prisoners that you cannot ‘convert’.

          A 2010 Classified document that was publicly leaked:
          FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations
          http://publicintelligence.net/restricted-u-s-army-internment-and-resettlement-operations-manual/

          That’s all the proof you need to settle our discussion.

  12. elw says:

    I have told this story before but will tell it again. Early in my career I managed a Prenatal educational program in a Public Clinic, that did not provide abortions. We did however, provide counseling and referrals to women who wanted to end their pregnancy. I can tell you I counseled many young women who started their counseling session with some version of this statement “I should not be asking for an abortion because I am a Christian” It was a running joke in the Clinic and at times the counselors would have contests on who heard that statement the most. So I have long said that pro-lifers are pro-life until they or their daughter needs or wants an abortion. Few of them can even live up to the standards they set, it is well documented that they have premarital sex, cheat on their spouses, get caught in criminal activities and hide their real sexual orientation in the closet. The most radical amongst are a clear and real danger to the Country and every thing it stands for. Make no mistake about they are the American version of the Taliban and if they could would gladly put in place laws the regulate the individual right to choose who to love, when to have children and how to raise them.

    • Allan Richardson says:

      There is an old joke about a (middle aged male, naturally) legislator in any one of the “red” states, listening to debate about some other matter, when his aide whispers to him, “Dr. _______ wants to know what you are going to do about the abortion bill?”

      He whispered back angrily, “Tell that SOB I’ll pay it next payday!”

      • elw says:

        HA. Wasn’t there actually a pro-life Republican whose X-wife released a copy of his check made out to a clinic for her abortion?

        • Allan Richardson says:

          Ex-wife, mistress, ex-wife, whatever. The joke is MUCH older than the Tea Party victory, so it must be pretty common.

          • elw says:

            I might add aborting unwanted pregnancies and extra-marital mistresses and lovers are a common thread in century old historical records. I am not saying it is right or wrong, just that it seems part of our DNA

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            Allan Richardson that isn’t a joke. It actually happened last year after the ex wife agreed for their divorce proceeding and records be released to the media and the Tennessee Democratic party. Judge didn’t release the papers until after the election. Read my reply to elw for the story about the politician and his ex wife

          • Allan Richardson says:

            I was aware of that story but did not remember the details of state, name, etc. Sounds like the judge was similar to the one in Montana that gave a teacher in his 50’s THIRTY DAYS for raping a 14-year old student, who was so traumatized that she KILLED HERSELF while the trial was pending (she was 17 by that time).

            I am sure the joke was made up originally to make a sarcastic comment on the frequency of this occurrence, and has been retold for so many years BECAUSE a real life occurrence hits the news every couple of years (and how many more never hit the news).

            Even before Roe v Wade, wealthy women (or, as in this case, mistresses of wealthy men) could have their doctor do the D&C for “unspecified female problems” without any pregnancy test appearing on their medical files (so that, if confronted, the doctor could say “Gee, I never thought of testing for THAT! Well, it’s too late find out now, isn’t it?”). If it isn’t in writing, it never happened.

            This shows the hypocrisy always associated with the “party of privilege” whichever name it has in any given time and place. Sometimes I wonder if one of our expressions for someone born illegitimately was originally “son of a Bishop!”

        • Barbara Morgan says:

          Actually the Democratic Party of Tennessee released copies of two different checks that Dr. Scott Dejarlsis(last name not spelled right) (Republican Representative for Tennessee’s 4 District) wrote for an abortion she had while they living together and weren’t married, the second one after they were married. According to the divorce records that weren’t released to the Democratic party until after the election gave these reasons for her two abortions, # 1 they weren’t married but living together and wasn’t getting along so they decided she should have an abortion, # 2-She was taking an experimental drug( does not say why she was taking it) and had been told that she shouldn’t get pregnant while taking it. Also in those records were a recording that the Dr and his now ex wife made when he was trying to pressure a former patient into having an abortion because she said he was the father of the unborn child. Also according to the divorce papers while still married to the first wife and during their divorce he had affairs with two patients, two staff members,the wife of a fellow doctor and at least 3 other women. He has remarried and claims that he and his ex wife now regret their decisions for her to have the abortions.
          When he was running for office the first time according to a person I know that lives in Tennessee’s 4th district and who I believe records disappeared from law enforcement files that showed the police had gone to the home of his to be ex and him for domestic violence done by both many times and for him standing outside her locked bedroom door threatening to shoot her sometimes or other times himself while he was pulling the trigger of gun that was supposedly unloaded.
          This man is shows that most Republicans especially politicans do not have any family values at all.

  13. tax payer says:

    I don’t read the Constitution, but does it have a Paragraph or a sentence that states the American people have to feed those that refuse to work to feed themselves?

    • it that the same paragraph that instructed you to stop bathing and act like a total idiot? I don’t think that’s the constitution jr.

      • tax payer says:

        Capitalize the ( i ) in it, but change the it to ( is ) and you’ll become a little smart. Hey, I bathe once a day in the Raw and I don’t wear my clothes, when I bathe like you do. So, we pay for your food because that’s why you’re offended. Stop being a taker and work for your food.

        • WhutHeSaid says:

          Do you really think you’ll get away with a whopper like that? Everyone knows that redneck bigots yahoos are the biggest freeloaders — slurping up the taxes from the liberal states like it’s going out of style.

          • tax payer says:

            Did I wake you up?

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            Some of us actually work for a living. Ask one of them thar liberals that you snort benefits from to explain it to you, deadbeat.

          • tax payer says:

            I worked for 45 years, so doesn’t that tell you I also had to work. Deatbeats are those that parasite off the tax payers and my Social Security, and Medicare ( aren’t being given to us by the tax payers ) since we paid into both of those Programs to have them as we retired. I am sorry you have to continue to work, so do you blame me for having to work? I hope you are paying into both Social Security and Medicare because, if not you’ll be getting SSI, and Medicaid like those that never worked a day of their Life. These elderly people didn’t work when they were young and they still get Benefits in their old age. These are people that leeched off the tax payers, when they were young and they are still doing it as they grow old.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            Not only are you a parasite, but you are a whining, ungrateful, deadbeat parasite.

            I’m not sure how much you actually worked as opposed to cheating your family, friends, and neighbors, but that’s usually the scenario with those who whine and snivel about the poor.

            Medicare does not pay out only what you pay in. And you neglected to talk about all of the other benefits that you so ungratefully helped yourself to over the years.

            I don’t mind paying some of my earnings to help those who are in real need, but I positively despise my money going to greedy, lying, sniveling deadbeats like you. You don’t even pay taxes and you are still whining and sniveling.

            Get a life, you greedy old slug.

          • tax payer says:

            I really think it’s you Whining because you can’y believe people actually get Benefits they deserve. I pay taxes, when I buy fuel, beer, food, a vehicle every four years, property taxes, sales taxes, so what else do you want? You are jealous of people that are retired and don’t have to work anymore, so I am so sorry you have to continue to work. Wait until you are retired and someone ( will be just like you ), and they will tell you ( you are a leech and a taker of benefits ) that you know you have Earned, but you may end up agreeing with that person. That’s who you are and you’ll never change. I got a Life and a Good Retired Life thanks to my preparation while being employed.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            Liar.

            I’m a taxpayer — you aren’t. So to start with, your very moniker that you post under is a lie. Second, you are STILL sucking up benefits other than Social Security, just as you have done all your life.

            To me, the working poor who need public benefits are better people than you. You are a lying, ungrateful, parasitic deadbeat — cheating and stealing your way through life without ever being grateful for any of it. You didn’t earn all of the benefits you’ve taken, so just stop lying.

            I’m not jealous of anyone, you bitter old fool, and my retirement will be just fine. I also enjoy what I do, which is better than cheating neighbors and family — judging by your bitter whining. You are just a bitter, old, useless parasite who imagines himself worthy because he can’t face reality. Stop your pitiful whining and get a life while you still can.

          • tax payer says:

            Let me put it to you this way. I am retired and you are working, so keep on working, and I hope you live to retire but the way you burst out you may end up in a grave before your time.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            If I only had a bitter, hateful future to look forward to — such as your life — I probably would prefer death. Being hateful, bigoted, and jealous of the poor isn’t really living.

          • tax payer says:

            Jealous of the poor are you for real? I can’t see myself living in a Slum, Getting Medicaid, Food Stamps, Section-8 Housing, Reagan Phone. No, I worked too many years to live that kind of a Life,

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            You mean you cheated and leeched off others too long. There’s a difference.

          • tax payer says:

            Go to sleep, so you can mop the floor at you job tomorrow. Keep it clean otherwise you’ll be poor, if they fire you, but I promise not to be jealous of you.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            I imagine that’s your profession, that is, when you aren’t cheating family and neighbors. You ARE jealous of the poor — that’s obvious. Perhaps it’s because no matter how much you cheated people you couldn’t find any self worth. I’m afraid I can’t help you there — I don’t see any either.

          • tax payer says:

            I am going to stop for now because you are a broken record, so do something about not repeating the same thing over and over again. I am tired and I am ready to hear my Mega Million numbers, so hopefully I can win a second time. I wish it had been Millions, but I wasn’t that lucky.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            That’s what I thought. Whine, whine, whine about the poor, then slurp up your public benefits and play the lottery. It’s no wonder your redneck family wants nothing to do with you, you ignorant old fart.

          • well now your 108 years old married to a linebacker so id say you’re very lucky. Just be thankful to all us young people who are able to work for your living.

          • I think they miss you at the bingo parlor since you’ve discovered the internet mam. why don’t you just relax and drink the Kool-Aid.

          • you forgot poor, alone, illiterate, and obese madam. oh yes and maladjusted.

          • the only “preparation” I see in your future ends with the letter H, pops.

          • guest says:

            OMG TP – you just described yourself as one of the Romney 47% – so, how does it feel to be considered less than human and completely irresponsible by one of your very own heros??? Romney didn’t care about you – and if you get right down to brass tacks – neither does any other republican because you are NOT one of them – the upper 1% – so why support them so much? They don’t like you – they don’t even want you to vote for them – Romney says he isn’t concerned about you! You think we are sheep because we follow Obama – who is actually trying to help us and DOES care about the 47% the GOP hates – but at t he same time – you are following the people who openly stated they don’t care about you.

          • tax payer says:

            I feel sorry for you because you repeat and repeat, and never make much sense. Take a hot bath and maybe your brain will expand slightly, so you can concentrate, and not repeat the same words again.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            You really need to change your moniker, because you are NOT a taxpayer. How about ‘TaxSlurpingParasite’ or ‘BitterOldFool’? Those would be more honest.

          • tax payer says:

            You must have a very short memory because I told you I pay taxes when I make purchases that these poor people get free.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            Liar. The poor pay more in taxes than they can afford — which you promptly slurp up and then lie about. So why are you continuously whining and sniveling? It’s truly pitiful and uncouth.

          • when I think about my hard earned tax money being wasted on you pops it makes me sick taxslurper.

          • guest says:

            Hold on a minute TP – let me get this straight – you pay taxes on purchases that the poor people get for free??? I’m done working as of today if this is true! I had no idea I could shop for free if I didn’t have a job! With our gas at 2.85 a gallon, I can use some free gas for starters – and a new plasma 60 inch tv would be nice as well – and you say I don’t have to pay for these items if I’m poor???? Damn – what a country I live in! And if you didn’t intend to say that – then you are a liar – just like Obama – because you should have had a crystal ball to tell you that someone would take everything you said a face value without a chance that some moron like myself would come along and make a change in the thinking of what you said or how you said it – the difference is that YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT IS UNTRUE AT THE TIME YOU SAID IT – no outside source changed the rules on you mid-stream. And if you didn’t mean that the purchases would be free for poor people, then your whole post was stupid and uninformative because in case you didn’t know it – poor people pay taxes on things they purchase JUST LIKE YOU, you idiot.

          • do they really tax your depends and ensure?

          • sound it out mam- good job 🙂 you almost talk like a human! next ill teach you how to p standing up jr.

          • tax payer says:

            WhuHeSaid: I don’t care what you say since you think those that get Social Security and Medicare are getting it from you, and all of those that are now working. You are working to support the lazy people of this country and they thank you or do they?

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            You didn’t mention all of the other benefits you slurped up over the years, you greedy, whining old buzzard.

          • tax payer says:

            Benefits like using streets my tax money paid to have constructed and you must be using them too, So, does that make you ( not ) a Benefit Taker?

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            I do, in fact use the same benefits, however, I don’t whine and snivel or become enraged at the idea of hungry babies getting fed. And I pay taxes — something you only lie about. It must be a worthless life you lead being so vile and bitter.

          • tax payer says:

            You work for a living, so you can feed the poor. Way to go Hoss.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            I don’t mind helping the poor. I DO mind helping you bitter, old, worthless, sniveling deadbeats.

          • tax payer says:

            I can tell by your grammar you forgot everything you learned in Pre-K.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            Attacking my grammar just shows how much you must grasp at straws in your fruitless quest for self-esteem. It’s just silly, of course — like the rest of your bitter whining.

          • listen old lady your “tax money” you paid into was cancelled out by your E.I.C. your a sponge.

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            Tax payer can be very annoying and likes to make people mad like he seems to have done with you. But he isn’t an old lady and when he isn’t acting like he is on this article can make good sense when he wants to do so. Don’t know if he has a split personalty or something else is going on but at times like I said he does have some ideas but today is not one of them.
            Now I am an old woman and I draw SS and pay a medicare premium each month and I don’t like it when someone says that I shouldn’t be getting SS and medicare even though I paid into SS for over 44 years and medicare ever since it went into effect and have not drawn any thing from the government except unemployment after Reagan did his trickle down tax cuts for the rich in the 80’s and after the 2nd Bush 2 tax cuts in 2004.

          • mam I didn’t mean to insult you or anyone else for that matter, so if I have offended you please forgive me- this wasn’t my intention- you see tax payer is a troll I have dealt with for a long time- my issue with him isn’t due to his overt racism, or general lack of education concerning American politics- or his blatant ignorance of the workings of our great constitutional republic’s election process- it is however the way it gloats about receiving ss benefits and then criticizes the younger people who pay into the system on which he is now dependent. bragging about not paying his taxes and such. I don’t want to see anyone’s benefits cut- I haven’t ever seen tax payer post anything except mindless hatred and subversive disrespect for many of our nations highest offices and disdain for the poorest and lowest American citizens.

        • what food do you speak of mam? you thighs tell a different tale than your lips, how can your food ever be donated to me? it cannot escape your body mass tubs. now answer the question, when will you take a bath?

        • if that’s the case then why are thous thighs so big??

        • guest says:

          Hey TP – how about if you want those very few on SNAP to work instead of getting food stamps – how about your GOP group in DC stop trying to make the President look bad and start doing THEIR JOBS and fulfilling THEIR promises (See, they lie too) and create some jobs for those people THEY are kicking off food stamps! Gotta have a job if you want someone to work – can’t have it both ways – oh wait – if you’re a Republican, you CAN!!! Like as in NO ABORTIONS – unless it’s for me… NO NEW TAXES, unless it’s to lower mine. NO PRESIDENT NOT BORN IN THE USA – unless he’s born in Canada – it’s ok then – they are our friends, and I AM A REPUBLICAN – I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT! Even if it’s shut down the government to get my way – screw what the public wants. Yep, you and your tribe really ARE for the American People – too bad the American people just can’t see that – right?

  14. 1standlastword says:

    The republican politicians who are characterized in this article are not in the least bit motivated by Christian values. They best fit the character described as the fallen angel, Satan, who according to biblical narrative was motivated by lust for power, given to greed, jealousy, envy, loathing and thrived on creating chaos, confusion and conflict.

    It is their nature to prove their hatred. And they are great deceivers as we can see by the numbers of their supporters

    It’s hard to accept but they are necessary only for the actualization of true compassion and enlightenment to become manifest in the world then once exposed to the light of authentic compassion and enlightenment they recede back into darkness where they will reside until the anti-life forces that gave birth to them arises again in the heart of humans to start the cycle over again.

    These people are in the role of the archetype of evil. The anti-life force.

    History has many accounts of their presence. In the history of the New World they landed in the north east calling themselves pilgrims. They started their violence with the slaughter of the indigenous tribes. Around the middle of the century they used their perverse religion to persecute women at the Salem witch trials. They accused many of their own of apostasy and killed them in the most horrible ways.

    Later, they enslaved the Chinese, the blacks, their own women, and poor children and many others with little to no means to purchase freedom from their violence.

    Once again, these are the modern radical conservatives acting in the archetype of evil.

  15. jonesky says:

    I don’t even believe it has anything to do with religion. Not really. The more poor people, the more cheap labor, the more desperate people who will do whatever the richest 1% want them to, just to survive. Near-slave labor, cannon fodder, whatever.

  16. Republicans will block women’s access to contraceptives and abortion, then deny them and their babies any benefits at all. Someone please explain this to me.

    • tax payer says:

      Condoms are very cheap, so all they have to say is ( buy some ) to their lovers. WIC is a Benefit? It’s a reward for having babies out of Wedlock or being married to a loser. When our children were born we didn’t apply for ( WIC ) since it’s only for the poor.

      • WhutHeSaid says:

        That’s because you were too busy cheating all of your family and neighbors, and whining about paying your share. All whining deadbeats are the same, basically: lying cheats who are the biggest freeloaders of all, and never grateful for what they have.

        • tax payer says:

          By reading your comments you must have a broken record and they don’t exist anymore ( by repeating everything ) everytime you make a comment. Get some new material or maybe just quit your whining.

          • WhutHeSaid says:

            The only thing I’ve ever seen you post about is pitiful crying over the poor getting help. That’s not just a broken record — it’s a record-breaking pinnacle of worthlessness.

          • old people like you sponging off the system is what’s wrong with this country, this is why I support euthanasia for the very old such as you and ted cruz lovers.

          • tax payer says:

            Old people are now in Nursing Homes and you are paying the Medicaid that is keeping them there since these elderly never paid to have Medicare. I support abortions 100%, so why weren’t you aborted? You have no future since you say you won’t accept Social Security or Medicare since you say you won’t accept benefits paid for by the tax payers.

          • guest says:

            TP – I realize you are a GOP supporter and a republican – but try to keep your comments straight between posts ok? A few topics ago you demanded that we all understand that your Social Security and Medicare is NOT a government benefit because you paid for them while you were working when you were younger – and for some reason (just like republicans) you have flip-flopped and because you are talking to a “lefty”, you say that people on those two benefits are accepting benefits “paid for by the tax payers”. Strange – so why don’t you tell us about how this works and is different that YOUR government benefits that were only paid for by YOU – and the rest of us are sponging off the rest of the country. Also, just for your information, since you apparently don’t understand the rules – if you never paid into social security – you don’t get social security. Each person’s social security is based on what they have paid in – which is why the SSA sends out an estimated benefits letter each year following tax collections. The letter tells you how much have paid into social security during your working life each year – and then how much your benefit would be for various ages that you may retire based on the same pay until that date. Also, if you or one of your dependents happen to become temporarily disabled and end up getting SSI for a while – THAT benefit comes off of YOUR Social Security amounts for your retirement. So, even SSI is not on the backs of the taxpayers.

          • nirodha says:

            In order to be eligible for Social Security, one must have worked and paid FICA for at least 40 quarters. No qualifying work, no Social Security; simple as that.

          • wake up mam- social security is a sinking ship.

          • Independent1 says:

            If you really believe that you’ve been watching too much Faux News. All that’s needed to extend SS for the next 50-75 years is to take the cap off and make milllionaires and billionaires pay into the system like they’re supposed to (and that would be even after increasing the benefits); lt’s ridiculous that the current cap is $113,000 or so. Many millionaires and billionaires hit their maximum in SS tax payments on their 1st paycheck of the year – that’s absurd!!!

          • oh pops take your meds.

      • guest says:

        OK – first let’s get the information correct – TP – you are mistaken – WIC is NOT for the poor only – any woman pregnant or have just had a child is eligible for WIC – it is assistance to be sure that the baby and mother are getting proper MILK and baby food/juices. You cannot buy candy, soda, or steaks on WIC – it is very specific and the items you are ALLOWED to purchase are actually printed right on the checks – they are not a free for all and specify only certain items and even how large the item is and the maximum that can be spent. WIC is very controlled and cannot be abused no matter what – it is probably one of the few government benefit programs that is impossible to abuse. And too bad your mama didn’t have WIC you may not have been born with a brain defect.

        • tax payer says:

          So, you are saying everyone that didn’t get WIC are born with a brain defect? Tax payers paid for your mother to get WIC, so have you thanked a tax payer once in your Life. I didn’t think so.

      • Barbara Morgan says:

        Tax payer if you are the one I think you are there wasn’t any WIC or SNAP when you and your wife became parents,, just plain old fashion welfare and the only way that a woman could draw it was if sperm donor be it a husband or boyfriend did not live with the family. Many families had to break up because the parents were unable to take care of their children because the husband lost his job and couldn’t find another one and if he was still in the house they couldn’t draw welfare so their children wouldn’t go hungry so he left, a lot of times once he found another job, he returned home and the welfare stopped, but sometimes he never returned and his family survived on the welfare they drew until all the children were 18. I believe you are young enough to know that not to many men then like today wouldn’t wear a raincoat when having sex, said it interfered with their pleasure.

        • tax payer says:

          It was there, but we didn’t bother to apply since my income would have prevented us from getting WIC or Food Stamps. My wife had friends that got both of those Benefits and I told my wife ( we don’t qualify ) because of my income. The husbands of your friends don’t earn enough to support their large families, but they still don’t use the raincoat ( you mentioned ) poor people should be using. These women chose to have children and not be married, but the father of the children still lives with her, and his children; so that’s a Loophole to still get benefits and have the father of the children living there with her. We live near a Section-8 Apartment Complex and all you see there are Brand New Vehicles, and people that considered themselves ( poor ) live there, so who buys those new vehicles? If they can afford to pay $554.00 a month like I do on my vehicle ( four more payments and I can call it my vehicle ) they shouldn’t qualify to live in those Apartments. The men that live there aren’t in the Application Process for Assistance, so they live there and own those vehicles, and live there ( rent free ) with the single female parent. This is done by many people, so maybe you didn’t know that is going on in most families that are on Welfare.

    • nirodha says:

      To republicans, evidently life begins at conception, and ends at birth. I know that’s an anomaly, but so is much of what republicans believe. This is the only country in the world (!) that considers zygotes and corporations to be living human beings.

    • Kendall A. Thomas says:

      As long as you have a dollar you can get contraceptives everywhere from Wal-Mart to gas station bathrooms. It’s 2013. No one is blocking your access to birth control except yourself with your refusal to spend a dollar before you have unprotected sex.

      • Barbara Morgan says:

        Condoms have a failure rate that is real high so it is not effective birth control method and getting some men to even think about using one is like walking to the moon, impossible in the past, now and probably from now on.
        Also you probably won’t believe it but there are both women and men that are allergic to some of the materials used to make condoms and could die from using them when they don’t know that one or the other is allergic when it comes to condoms.
        There are only 3 ways to make sure the woman doesn’t get pregnant, # 1- Do not not under any circumstances have sex #2 for woman to have a complete baby making equipment removal # 3 both sexes to be fixed, tubes tied or for men to be clipped, with this method you have to be sure the doctor know what he is doing and does it well.There is a draw back to the tying and clipping the tubes have been know to come untied and grow back together or in a man’ case an injury in that area cause the clipped job be undone and his tubes can grow back together again.

  17. kanawah says:

    These Tea bag jerks are not pro life. They are pro pregnancy. After the child is born, they have no interest in either the child or its mother.

    They are definitely NOT “Pro life”.

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