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Ari Berman Exposes The GOP War On Voting

September 27, 2012 5:22 pm Category: Memo Pad, Politics 231 Comments A+ / A-
Ari Berman Exposes The GOP War On Voting

If you’re aware of the GOP’s unprecedented effort to stop eligible voters from casting a ballot this November, you should probably thank Ari Berman, contributing writer at The Nation and the author of Herding Donkeys:The Fight to Rebuild the Democratic Party and Reshape American Politics.

For more than a year, Berman has been waging a one-man war on the GOP’s voter suppression efforts. In this Q and A with The National Memo, he explains how this coordinated effort to deny the vote to core members of Obama’s winning coalition from 2008 could still swing the 2012 election, despite some recent victories in federal court.

When were you first alerted to what you’ve called “The GOP War on Voting”?

Following the 2010 election, 38 state legislatures introduced bills to restrict the right to vote and more than a dozen states passed new voting restrictions. I began to see snippets of news coverage in early 2011 on these laws, but no one had done a big piece showing how this was a coordinated push by Republicans in state after state to restrict the right to vote at every level of the electoral process. That’s what inspired me to write the article “The GOP War on Voting,” in the September 15, 2011, issue of Rolling Stone. The feedback since then has been extraordinary. I’ve been on the voter suppression beat ever since.

There have only been a handful of successful voting impersonation prosecutions in America. And the evidence that this kind of fraud has ever swung an election just doesn’t exist. Is there any real proof proponents have offered?

There’s no proof of rampant or significant voter fraud deciding American elections. The Bush administration did a major investigation of “voter fraud” between 2002-2007 and didn’t prosecute a single person for voter impersonation. The state of Pennsylvania, which passed a voter ID law in 2012 that was purportedly designed to stop in-person voter fraud, admitted in a recent court filing: “there have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states.” So this is really a phantom menace. Republicans are hyping voter fraud in order to mask the real purpose of these laws, which is to reduce turnout among Democratic-affiliated constituencies — namely low-income, student and minority voters — who are most negatively impacted by these new voting restrictions.

What do you think about the comparisons to Jim Crow laws, poll taxes, and literacy tests?

The comparisons are sadly accurate. There are a number of costs associated with voter ID laws. In states like Texas, which offered a “free” ID for voting, you need to pay for underlying documents, like a birth certificate, in order to get that ID. You also need to pay to get to a DMV office, which can be very difficult if you don’t have a car. Only 81 of 254 counties in Texas have a DMV office. A federal court in Washington found that Texas’s law violated the Voting Rights Act precisely because it discriminated against low-income voters, who are disproportionately black or Hispanic in the state. “A law that forces poorer citizens to choose between their wages and their franchise unquestionably denies or abridges their right to vote,” the court wrote.

One of the most disappointing things that supporters of these voting restrictions can point to is the fact that voter ID restrictions poll extremely well. Are there any arguments you’re hearing that make the case against voting restrictions in a way the public grasps?

According to the Brennan Center for Justice, 10 percent of eligible voters don’t have government-issued IDs. That’s a lot of people, but it also means that most Americans do have ID, so I’m not surprised that voter ID laws poll well. I think more Americans need to understand a few basic facts: a) there is no evidence of voter fraud that a voter ID law would stop; b) a significant percentage of Americans don’t have these IDs and don’t have access to the underlying documents needed to get the IDs; c) these laws are a politically motivated attempt by Republicans to shape an electorate in their own favor before anyone has even cast a ballot; d) these laws are expensive to implement, costing millions of dollars, and that money would be better spent elsewhere; e) these laws will create confusion and long lines at polling places, which will negatively impact a large number of voters who have valid ID; f) voting, unlike buying Sudafed or flying on a plane, is a constitutionally protected right that people have died for in this country and is something we shouldn’t restrict without a significant and compelling reason to do so; g) we should be making it easier, not harder, for all eligible voters in this country to cast a ballot.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

    The way things are going it may not be long before voting in the USA is limited to dictatorial practices such as plebiscites with people saying aye or nay and the dictator always enjoying the full support of the majority of the population. The Tea Party has done more damage to our constitutional values, Bill of Rights, and our credibility as a democratic nation than any foreign power or terrorist group could ever do.

    • http://twitter.com/7daykatie katie anderson

      The vote supressors are traitors to America and to democracy. Petty oppressors of civil rights, history will revile them.

      • daniel bostdorf

        agreed

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Jones/827014412 Daniel Jones

      The Tea party is and has been a cover all along.

      The right wing of the Republican Party, the Generally Oligarchic people, are the villains.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lutrell.simmons Lutrell Simmons

      I AGREE WITH YOU SO MUCH AND THEY NEED TO BE STOPED AND WE AS A PEOPLE NEED TO STOP THEM

    • edwardw69

      In order to vote, you need a picture ID; in order to get a picture ID, you need to show a birth certificate; in order to get the birth certificate, you need to show a picture ID.
      Beautiful, isn’t it?

  • daniel bostdorf

    Dominick you are right…..

    There are countless examples here at National Memo of posters from obozomustgo to montanabill to sisterh to carsrus…etc…that exemplify “those who can not think for themselves.”

    Bumper sticker mentality at its best….

    It’s a bit more insidious than that….the fake name posters here are intentional distractors and part of the fascist propaganda.

    The 2 biggest players behind this 2012 version of german nazis facism:
    Karl Rove (Joseph Goebbels) and the Koch Brothers (German industrialist and non- Jewish bankers of the 1930′s)…who propped up Hitler and the “Brown Shirts and Gestapo for the “new world order” of their day..

    It’s scarier than you think out there.

    Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    or as Adolph Hitler stated:

    “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
    Sounds like Foxnews eh?

    The problem is…well…we live in a society of half wits, uneducated Paris Hilton, Kardasian, and celebrity worshippers who narcisstically latch onto the inane, mundane drivel and fascist thinking that dulls a society’s senses.

    Reality TV is part of the overall intentional “dumbing down of the masses” that fascists over the course of thousands of years implement when they want to take over.

    Whom do you know that knows ANYTHING about history? Do you know anyone with a comparative religion or humanities background? Do you know of anyone who knows of Will and Ariel Durant and their 13 volume “The History of Civilization?”

    Romney/ryan et al want to eliminate the Department of Education in their collective final “coup d’eta…

    Definition of coup d’eta:
” a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics; especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group”

    Hello Teaparty and Karl Rove eand the Koch brothers….and the members of te HOuse and Senate that sympathize with them.

    And you thought the Vichy Government on 1940′s France was bad? Just wait if Obama is defeated and the Republicans regain control of the Senate and Presidency.

    Samuel L Jackson, crudley but correctly tells us to “Wake The F**k Up…
Quoting Jackson:

    ““Sorry, my friend,” Jackson tells the family’s parents. “But here’s no time to snore. An out-of-touch millionaire has just declared war. On schools, the environment, unions and fair pay. We’re are all on our own if Romney has his way. And he’s against safety nets. If you fall, tough luck. So I strongly suggest you wake the f**k up.”

    I am NOT of the mindset that guarantees Obama anything.

    The fascists are trying to steal this election through bogus voter ID requirements, Republican controlled Supreme Court, “fascist packed superpacs” pouring hundreds of millions of military-industrial-complex international secret money against Obama…and heaven forbid the 6th grade educated masses believe it…

    This situation and period in history has been done before, and the masses, who cannot remember history or too stupid to know REPEAT THE MISTAKES OF HISTORY!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Jones/827014412 Daniel Jones

    Fight American Apartheid. Make it possible for all eligible voters to do just that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      Lie , Cheat And Steal Is The Only Way They Can Win Remember Bush 2000? It’s The American Taliban Way!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KWXWFAGH5VQ43ATYST6AWEBFSE Wokeup flared up

    They do anything to win, then to our faces preach honor

    • dotutz

      The Republican’s can’t win by an honest vote. It happened in 2000, 2004 and it scares the heck out of me, it could happen again in 2012. They got a little complacent in 2008, so Obama got in. Hey, they can’t let that happen again, so I guess we’ll have to monitor the vote! The problem is, I don’t know how we can change things, you see what happened with the Occupy Movement. Wish someone would come up with a solutionQ

      • msrita

        Nope we are American Citizens and will stand our ground and Vote.

        NO STOPPING US KNOW WE ARE ON THE MOVE TO REGISTER LEGAL VOTERS.

      • YepThatTell

        Also, don’t count out rigged voting machines…Diebold….

        • msrita

          What the one in Florida. Electronic should be banned.

          Is that the inka dot machine is not rigged. I know because when I get my ballot I place in a machine dot my choices, Give it to a working sitting at the exit door as you watch her slide my ballot in the counting machine.

          The on rigged would be Voting electronic good way to cheat.

      • Abusfix

        Are you really that stupid

      • 13observer

        Try supporting UNIONS bro! They are who sustains the middle class! If you are too fu*king cheap to pay dues….then you deserve what the fu*k you get!!!! Simple as that bro!

      • 13observer

        The “Occupy Movement” was abunch of lazy..sit on your ass bums looking for a handout! All the usual fu*k ups were there; drugees, liberals, 3rd generation welfare cases and illegal alien criminals as well……… all looking to take from ANYONE that has more than them! The occupy people would take by TAXATION from most of you reading this just to keep their lazy asses from actually having to find a fu*king job!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vernon-Sukumu/100000963359102 Vernon Sukumu

          Sometimes the people with small body parts, will say Obama has cause the worst lost of jobs in the history of this country. At same time the other small minded dixie-can are yelping they’er to lazy to work. Since Romney is a leader in out sourcing, when he become prezzy he can ship them to China were he has shipped all those jobs.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KOPKDFAUQPIIRAFI3HEXNMSHLQ Ed

        Well, like too manypopular movements, the occupy movement never tried to get any nationwide coordination. But they did demonstrate that the primary duty of police is to protect the interst of the rich!

  • http://www.facebook.com/lutrell.simmons Lutrell Simmons

    I THINK THAT THIS IS A SHAME AND WE AS A PEOLPE CANNOT JUST STAND BY AND LET THESE PEOPLE DO THIS. WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY AND THEY DONOT HAVE THAT RIGHT TO STOP ANYONE FROM VOTING, THEY THE GOP’S CAN’T WIN SO THEY CHEAT THAT’S WHAT THEY HAVE ALWAY’S DONE THEY ARE A BUNCH OF BIGOT. WE AS A PEOPLE WILL NOT LET THEM TAKE US BACK SO PEOPLE YOU HAD BETTER STAND UP TO THESE PEOPLE I AM NOT GOING TO LET THEM TAKE MY RIGHTS FROM ME

  • Abusfix

    I don’t believe for a minute that intellectual people such as yourselves think this is to supress the vote.
    Can’t you see this is nothing more than political rhetoric. C’Mon get real. Try thinking about what your saying instead of just repeating the garbage of the writer. Tell me you don’t really believe this. Because if you do then you really are just DNC lap dogs.

    • JPierce4757

      I most certainly agree with the writer because I am fully aware of voter suppression in Florida during the last election and it was real. Many African Americans were not allowed to vote if their name was even similar to a criminal. No background check was done on over 5000 voters but yet they were not allowed to vote. Why is it that every time that Republicans want to deny something, there say that there is a conspiracy and the media is lying or the public should not believe what is being published but should only believe them instead. These types of tactics have mobilized the voters even more for this election because we truly believe that the republicans are trying to suppress the voter turnout. We are voting as early as possible.
      I believe that the republicans are trying to suppress voter turn out because Mitt cannot redeem his statement about the 47% that he does not care about. He has to try and level the playing field by stopping as much of the 47% from voting as possible.

    • SaneJane

      How do you think you can convince people when they can see it happening. No only is it happening here in Alabama but it has been going on a long time. We are still under federal watch for this type of thing but our state lawmakers keep finding ways to crawl under the fence. You bubble must not only be thick-walled but also opaque.

  • middleclasstaxpayer

    “A significant number of Americans DON’T have these IDs????? Who are you kidding?

    • english_teacher

      The world you live in has IDs. Lots of people don’t live in your world and don’t have IDs for any number of legitimate reasons.

      ::::::::::

    • MJRinPA

      In PA, it is reported that 785,000 eligible voters do not have photo IDs.
      The Amish in PA and other states will never have photo IDs.

      • middleclasstaxpayer

        Interesting point, but nationwide it is estimeted there are 249,000 Amish vs 330,000,000 American population….this works out to 1 Amish for every 13,250 Americans or less than .0000075 % of our population. I’m absolutely certain accommodations could be made for this religeous group which is centered in rural parts of PA…..why jeapordize the entire voting population for such a miniscule portion? America’s “poor” are NOT like the poor in ANY other country…most have shelter (ie: subsidized housing), most have transportation, albiet older, most have food on the table (SNAP, food banks, etc) and MOST even have a cell phone, and likely $200 sneakers for the kids. A photo ID is NOT an imposition on ANY American. Fact is, liberals are the MOST VICTIMIZED people in the world! Nothing is ever good enough! I’d bet, if a liberal won the 100 Million Lotto jackpot, they would cry “foul” over the taxes withheld, the tax return paperwork required, the cost to have someone manage the cash…..it would all be Doom & Gloom!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OAT6GEIDI5HWY2H6KOUAJXKLY4 AliciaSolis

    In none of the states that have implemented these vote suppression laws, have there been any evidence of wide spread voter fraud..None..

    I live in Florida and governor SNOT and the legislature have done everything possible to keep people from voting..The fix has been here ever since the day this criminal, SNOT, took office-to make voting as difficult for minorities as possible,especially if the person may vote democratic..

    It’s freakin amazing how men & women are sent to fight and die in illegal immoral wars abroad, to bring so-called democracy with the right to vote,when here in the USA,about 27 states have done everything possible to deny people the right to cast a ballot…

    Attn: Abusfix..What the hell are you smoking, idiota…? Get out from under that rock..

    • Abusfix

      I

      • english_teacher

        Where are your facts to back up your statements? All the facts – not the smoke and mirrors of the RINO extremists – do not support your contention about dead people voting.

      • grammyjill

        Sweetheart, This is the way it works. Someone dies, they get sent to a funeral home. Funeral home makes out legal death cert. Family gets a copy, copy goes on file and a copy gets sent to vital stictics at city hall. From there a copy is sent to election board and name is removed. I don’t know about where you live but here that whole thing takes about a week.
        This voter supression is not about dead people. It is about old people that haven’t had a drivers license for years and students that only have a school id, and poor people that can’t afford to get this new id. If they had started this two years ago, it would be a nonissue at this point. But trying to spring it on everyone this close to a major election is totally unfair. Not only to the people that don’t have this id but also to the state workers that have to try to get everyone one of these id’s on time. Also it is costing these states millions.

  • JPierce4757

    I most certainly agree with the writer because I am fully aware of voter suppression in Florida during the last election and it was real. Many African Americans were not allowed to vote if their name was even similar to a criminal. No background check was done on over 5000 voters but yet they were not allowed to vote. Why is it that every time that Republicans want to deny something, there say that there is a conspiracy and the media is lying or the public should not believe what is being published but should only believe them instead. These types of tactics have mobilized the voters even more for this election because we truly believe that the republicans are trying to suppress the voter turnout. We are voting as early as possible.
    I believe that the republicans are trying to suppress voter turn out because Mitt cannot redeem his statement about the 47% that he does not care about. He has to try and level the playing field by stopping as much of the 47% from voting as possible.

    • 5612jean

      Romney and the gop know they have a losing candidate. He can not possible win on a fair and level playing field.

  • totenkatz

    I found out my dad voted in the 2008 election and is registrered to vote. The problem is he died in 2005.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OAT6GEIDI5HWY2H6KOUAJXKLY4 AliciaSolis

      I don’t believe that b/s for one second…Prove it…

      • totenkatz

        I don’t have to prove it to you, I don’t really care if you believe me or not.

    • 5612jean

      I doubt it. totenkatz is probably one of those gop sympathizers.

      • totenkatz

        Wow now I’m being callied a liar, amazing.

        • CPANY

          totenkatz:

          Is that your real name? Are you aware that in German it means “dead cat”?

          • totenkatz

            Yes, I know that totenkatz is German for dead cat; my German mother has a really warped sense of humor.

    • awakenaustin

      So? In most States once you register your name stays on the registration list until the next required re-registration or you fail to vote in some set number of years or election cycles. The question is whether someone is voting fraudulently. For your dead father to vote someone has to go to the poll and impersonate him or obtain an absentee/mail-in ballot and again impersonate him. There is no evidence of voter fraud of any significance. The people pushing voter i.d. legislation cannot point to any either. If they could they would. It is legislation designed to deal with a nonexistant problem. If there is no voter fraud problem, then why the legislation? The legislation is designed to suppress voter turnout.
      It is the 21st century version of the poll tax or the literacy test to vote. The Atty General in Texas, another great humanitarian and civil rights advocate (tongue firmly planted in my cheek) was able to identify ~62 cases of voter fraud since 2002. This in a State of more than 25 million people, approximately 12 million registered voters. You heard right 62 cases since 2002. Voter fraud is not a problem here in Texas or anywhere else for that matter.

    • grammyjill

      did you point this out to them? somebody screwed up. last election i noticed my oldest sons name on the voter rolls. i told the guy he moved to ky, so he drew a line through his name and put a note beside it saying he moved.

  • BDD1951

    I am 78 years old and all my life I’ve heard the phrase”Republican dirty tricks”. This is a prime example.

    • montanabill

      Then it was obviously a ‘Republican dirty trick’ that required you to show an ID to get into the Democrat National Convention.

      • BDD1951

        Now that is really silly. Getting into the convention and showing ID is a safety measure. Do you really think that a voter going to vote is going to blow up the voting place.

        • montanabill

          Is it really any sillier than requiring an identification to prove you are a valid voter? I think not. Scamming your way into a convention is far less dangerous than an illegal vote. It can take only one vote to change an outcome.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/O3WEXULTDRKCEIVDCFIPKYHAMQ seche

            the only scamming that has been proven is being done by the republican party

        • msrita

          I have told people to print the Voters Rights Act of 1965 and say I have a right to Vote as long as you have your ID

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/RIFXQTJG47HKV4ZXMYNDGJBB3I Thomas

        Everyone doesn’t have a constitutional right to attend the DNC. Big difference.

        • montanabill

          Sorry, not everyone has a right to vote either.

          • http://twitter.com/jmprint Mary Martinez

            Everyone has a right to vote. You are such an idiot.

          • Edsanjuan

            Mary: montanabill is right and YOU are the real idiot here.
            Not everyone has the right to vote: You can be excluded for (under)age, for not being a US citizen or for not being the person you claim to be.
            Get that through your head and don’t call intelligent people like montanabill “idiot” because it makes your “slip show”….

          • montanabill

            I’m afraid not Mary. Most states won’t let convicted felons vote. That was a known punishment before the crime was committed so it is part of the deal you get if you decide to break the law. People in this country illegally are not allowed to vote. Foreign nationals in this country legally are not allowed to vote.
            We also have a thing about the dead voting.
            In case you don’t like my ‘idiot’ answer. Look it up for yourself.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

            In some states felons are allowed to vote after serving their time in prison. What you do not understand montanabill is that all people that are citizens of this country (even convicted felons in some states after being released) and are old enough to vote have the Constitutional right to vote. When you allow this Constitutional right to be diluted then there will be more Constitutional rights diluted or done away with completely if the Republicans have their way. The next thing to even thou it is your Constitutional right will be your right to vote because your aren’t in the 3% that have the have most of the money in this country.

          • montanabill

            You are right, some states have elected to restore voting rights to convicted felons, but, I believe it is only 2 or 3 states. I did not say all states in my previous post.

            You seem to think I have some problem with legal citizens voting. I do not, nor do any other Republicans or conservatives that I know. However, since we have millions of illegals in this country and we have examples of fraud using the identity of dead citizens, it simply seems prudent to validate those who have the right to vote.

            As much as it might seem prudent to me to prohibit people who think Obama is a Mormon and that Ryan is his running mate from voting, that is not our way. You can vote if you are legally eligible to vote and being stupid or ignorant has no bearing.

          • dtgraham

            Bill, there isn’t one person on this website who thinks that children, foreign visitors, or prisoners should be voting. Can you give us a list of what other Americans shouldn’t be voting.

          • blowcoldblowhot

            I am a permanent resident (green card holder) and I know I am NOT eligible to vote yet I received phone calls asking if I already registered to vote. I told them I am a GC holder but they insisted I can vote, and they are willing to help me register as Democrat and even volunteered to help me apply for food stamps. Is this true?

          • montanabill

            Why is it that you and others on this site think I and the Republicans are talking about American citizens? We are strictly against people in this country who are NOT ELIGIBLE to vote or who are gaming the system by using false identities. Why is that so hard to understand?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            montanabill: You ask: “Why is that so hard to understand?” My answer: It IS NOT !!
            People who keep insisting that EVERYBODY, registered or unregistered, with ID or WITHOUT ID, should be allowed to vote is:
            1) disingenous and naive, or
            2) plain DISHONEST, or
            3) plain STUPID
            …. and I suspect there are much more of # 2 & # 3 on this forum

      • kajfla

        Comparing attendance at the convention with exercising your Constitutional Right to vote shows how ignorant some people truly are.

        • montanabill

          You may have a Constitution Right and you may not have had your voting right taken away, but if you are an illegal immigrant or assuming the identity of someone else, alive or dead, you do not have that right. It only takes a single vote to change an election.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1026883350 Pam Tucker

            Sorry to inform you that it takes more than a single vote to change an election. If you really think that, please let your fellow advocates of voter suppression know that instead of concentrating on entire districts, they only have to focus on one member in a household. Your assessment is terribly naive.

          • AaronNashuaNH

            Well, what else can we expect from “montanabill”. All of that wide open space has disoriented his thought process.

          • montanabill

            Tell that to Thomas Jefferson, who was elected President by ONE vote.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

            That was centuries ago and when the only people allowed to vote were white male landowners so doesn’t count in this time and age. Can you cite where a Presidential election was won in the last 50 years by one single vote excluding the theft of the 2000 election where the Republican dominated Supreme Court elected Bush 2.?

          • montanabill

            Time and place have no bearing. Because it is possible for any election to turn on a single vote and you know it.

            Since you have been out of the country and didn’t learn about it, a group of Florida’s top newspaper editors, mostly from liberal papers, did their own vote tabulation and concluded that Bush legitimately won Florida. I realize that puts a big hole in the ‘Supreme Court gave election to Bush’ theory, but true, none-the-less.

          • msrita

            But they are targeting Natural Born American kids born with both American Parents. That’s when we draw the line.

          • Edsanjuan

            msrita: You Lefties will resort to ANYTHING to get your way. How do you KNOW, for a fact, that “… they are targeting Natural Born American kids born with both American Parents.”??? !!! Because those “Natural Born American kids born with both American Parents” TOLD you??!!! (and you believed it ?!)
            Get this: “They” (whoever “they” are) are NOT “targeting” anybody in particular !! Your assertion to that effect constitutes an absurdity, because by requiring ID from EVERYBODY they can not “target” ANYBODY…. DUH !!

          • msrita

            Well find this post and Video of Robme

            Robme said in a statement that our solders are committing suicide because of budget cuts to our Military.

            What he does not know about PTS how is this for our running President. He has no clue that they are damage when they get back. Marriages break up.

            GET A CLUE ROMNEY

            GOD PLEASE DON’T LET THIS MAN WIN, IT WILL BE THE END OF WORLD FOR 47%

          • montanabill

            Who is ‘they’? And do you have proof?

          • dtgraham

            Can you tell me where I can read up on this scourge of voters voting more than once by impersonating dead people. I’ve heard of several of the studies that couldn’t find any, or virtually any, instances of in person voter fraud. Have never heard of any documenting dead people voting. Where are you getting this from?

          • anyasnote

            Faux News, Rushie, Hannity.
            GOP just fired one Vendor in Fl for voter fraud. Enough said. People you can’t make Montana, Edsa etc to see the daylight – they are BLIND to the FACTS. Facts do matter, but not for them.

          • montanabill

            1960 Presidential election. Three Chicago election workers were convicted of voter fraud in 1962 and served short terms in jail. Mazo, the Herald-Tribune reporter, later said that he found names of the dead who had voted in Chicago, along with 56 people from one house.

          • dtgraham

            I have heard of skullduggery in the 1960 election. Joe Kennedy was supposed to have had a relationship with the mob at that time who supposedly “helped” with that election. However none of that was ever actually proven and, furthermore, that was a one-off event IF it actually happened. Now the question is, what does any of that have to do with 2012? Again, can you tell me about any academic studies done on in person dead voter fraud that I can look up.

        • Oldleatherneck

          You need a picture ID for nearly any legal transaction. You need it to buy beer or wine in the supermarket. You need it to buy cigarets. You need it to gain entrance to the county court house. You need it to gain entrance to any federal building. You need it to cach a check. You need it to register for food stamps. SO if you already have a picture ID for all these essential legal transactions and activities WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT HAVING TO PRODUCE A PICTURE ID TO VOTE. When you have one anyway, unless you have cmpletly droped out of society.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1026883350 Pam Tucker

            If I don’t drive, my friend, more than likely I don’t have a government issued ID! It has to come from the government — can’t be a school ID with a picture. My granddaughter, who just turned 18 and didn’t drive, was lucky enough to have someone to take her to a DMV and get a $45 ID so that she could vote. If you take the government-issued criteria out of the equation, you’re missing the point. Oh, and by the way, I already had her original birth certificate, SS card, etc. on hand, so there was no added expense nor a 6 week wait to obtain those documents. Millions of people, born in America, are not so lucky, and have not “dropped out of society”. I have personally taken 4 carloads of born and bred American voter-wanna-bes to the DMV, after working with them to obtain a birth certificate and SS card. In spite of the obstacles, I intend to see to it that no one I can help is unable to vote.

          • msrita

            Most kids have an State ID at 14 or 15. I too lake if you birth certificate is in another State. If you live in the same State you can pay and pick up.

          • MJRinPA

            Why would any one need a state ID at 14 or 15? Everyone I know that got one was old enough to have a learner’s permit or needed it for SAT ID. That’s about 16 to 18 in most states.

          • 5612jean

            You have stated so many untruths here. The only time you have to provide ID to purchase alcohol and cigarettes is if the cashier thinks you look underage. Besides it cost money, in excess of $24 which some people don’t have to get a copy of a birth certificate. It’s all in the gop plan to put that required state ID out the reach of some people. You know the ones they don’t want getting to the polls.

          • msrita

            If you mother never gave your birth certificate you can’t vote. You have to order it from you state where you were born. I have 3 since I live in CA born in OK.

          • Edsanjuan

            5612jean: The one telling the untruths here is you. I look my age (64) and ALL liquor stores tell me that ID is still required by law even if I “look” 64.
            But, besides that, ID is required everywhere to show that you are who you say you are !!
            Saying the contrary is downright dishonest ….

          • 5612jean

            Well that’s not the case in Maryland. I guess it varies from state to state.

          • ChicagoGirl2975

            I live in UTAH – where it is more difficult to buy liquor than anywhere in the country -
            and you are not required to show an ID!

          • Bodine666

            I’ve never had to show an ID to buy alcohol. I’ve never had to show an ID to enter either a Fed or local courthouse.

            Kinda puts the lie to your claim.

            One more point. This is important so please pay attention: Voting is a RIGHT. Not one other single item you listed is a right.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            Bodine666: Listen to me and let’s find out who is really “confused” here.
            This is important so please pay attention: Voting is a RIGHT, …. BUT it is NOT (as happens with other rights) an ABSOLUTE right.
            This “right to vote” (at the Federal level, for President of the USA) is limited by the individual states at least in one respect and by the federal government in 3 respects: 1) you have to be a citizen (mind you, a LEGAL resident CAN NOT vote !!), 2) you have to register to vote and, 3) you have to be the minimum age of 18.
            Some states limit the “right to vote” according to whether you have been convicted of a felony.
            Conclusions:
            1) The “right to vote” is NOT absolute as you seem to believe;
            2) Even a legal resident does not have the right to vote at the Federal level;
            3) You have to REGISTER as a voter in order to be able to vote (you liberals conveniently “forget” this fact when you claim that Republicans want to discriminate against a poor person just because he might not have ID);
            4) The ONLY reason why prospective voters have to be required to produce proper ID is, and concentrate on this, Bodine, this is important: that each and every voter has to prove that he os she is the SAME PERSON who REGISTERED as a voter!! DUH !!
            Now, you Lefties tell me, without the usual insults, why would this requirement of proper ID be in any way “discriminatory”??

          • msrita

            That’s why you guys sound crazy most people have ID.

            But when you go after college students for room numbers in order to Vote. You will not steel this election

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/YBYYIQHBLD7BZAU6L3DC7MS4YM Rodney

            AND THAT THE POINT

          • MJRinPA

            I can’t remember the last time that I had to pull out a photo ID for any reason. I have not needed it to buy wine or other alcohol at the state store (we can’t buy it in the supermarket).

            The “big deal” about having to produce a photo ID to vote, is that it costs money to get the documents you need to get the ID. In some states, it then costs more money to buy the ID. Some people just don’t have the money for an ID that’s only needed to vote.
            And, it takes time for the motor vehicle department to be ready to process all those new IDs. If the IDs are really necessary, the law should have been passed just after the last federal election so that there was time to get IDs to every voter. Waiting until 8 months before this election, doesn’t leave enough time for all those IDs to be processed. This will leave too many voters disenfranchised.

            Finally, PA has had ZERO cases of voter fraud. Why did the state institute a voter ID law to prevent something that is not happening?

          • phantomoftheopera

            hmmm i’ve never had to produce id in any of those circumstances. and, if it’s so important, why didn’t they start working on this a year ago, or two, or ten? why wait until we have an african-american president? and not everyone has, or can afford, one. our state now charges $45.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

            Don’t know what state you live in but if they are charging you $45 for a state approved picture ID that is a poll tax and is illegal and the Supreme Court has said so. If it isn’t free it is a poll tax.

          • phantomoftheopera

            so now you want government to buy your ID? hmmm, thought you guys didn’t believe in government help? and again–why do it now when time is running out? the only explanation is to deny certain people the right to vote. how american is that?

            that’s the price for a driver’s license or id card. the one the right seems to think ‘everyone’ has. in our state, we vote by mail. they just check our signatures to be sure it’s valid. don’t know why they can’t do that at the polls. or is it just that it makes it harder for the right to deny the poor and non-white the right to vote?

          • Oldleatherneck

            You must not buy wine, beer, cigaretts, or cash a check. Since 9/11 all businesses manufacturers, production plants, have given photo ID’s to their employees so they know who you are, and so you can get in and out of the work place. It is also your time card to clock in and out of work, so you must not work either.

          • phantomoftheopera

            first, i’ve not been asked for id to buy hard liquor, even with CID on back of my credit card! second, not all employers require photo id–or any id, particularly small businesses. third, so if you don’t work you shouldn’t be allowed to vote?

            i notice you didn’t explain why all this is happening now. perhaps, you can’t? they could always start it Jan. 1, 2013. but then, that wouldn’t help get romney elected, would it?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            phantom: Come on, don’t be naive!!
            The reason “… why all this is happening now, when they could always start it Jan. 1, 2013″, is that after November 6th illegal voters, precisely the ones I (and I hope YOU too, although I doubt it) want to keep away from having the sacred power of the vote, would ALREADY have cast their (ILLEGAL) votes. DUH !!
            P.S. – I just KNOW that 80 % of you Lefties on this National Memo forum, realize and understand what I just stated; the problem is that you still won’t admit in public what you realize in private: that this has NOTHING to do with WHO would get the illegal votes, and EVERYTHING to do with WHO would cast those (illegal) votes !!

          • phantomoftheopera

            first, there is no evidence of all those illegal voters you claim are out there, just a lot of innocent victims of a witch hunt.

            second, you still haven’t answered why it wasn’t done earlier. no illegal voters in earlier years?

            third, if it has nothing to do with who would get the illegal votes (which aren’t there to begin with), why are only democratic areas targeted? haven’t heard of any rich guys having to prove who they are!

            finally, what all us lefties realize (and even righties if they’re honest with themselves) is that you and your cronies can’t stand the thought of another 4 years of a ‘gasp’ black president. the birther claims have shown you to be ridiculous, as have the muslim claims. you’ve tried attacks when he has implemented ideas the right USED TO espouse, before he adopted them. you’ve tried blocking everything he’s tried to do, then claimed it was his fault. when it looks like that isn’t working, you’ve taken to dirty tricks.

          • 5612jean

            Believe me if there was any evidence of voter fraud the rightwingnuts would have found it since you all are so smart. You can’t find it, because it doesn’t exist. I suppose the main stream media as you wingnuts like to claim are covering for the lefties. How pathetic!

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

            I don’t have to show a picture ID to go into my county court house and I live in the capital city of my state and I go into federal buildings without showing a picture id, I don’t cash checks I use my debit card and as for food stamps I don’t know, I have been blessed to never have applied for them. So Oldleatherneck you think people should be forced to pay out and loss pay to the tune of $300. or more dollars to get their “free state approved ID”‘ to be able to vote which is their Constitutional right. If this stay in place, you can look for the next Republican way of winning an election is to pass a law that says unless you are a millionaire or a billionaire you can not vote no matter what the Constitution says. Once you allow one of your rights and freedoms to be diluted then it is only a matter of time before you lose all your freedoms and rights.

          • Oldleatherneck

            300 dollars paylost for one day? Thats 1500 a week, and 78000 a year ! Pretty heafty income for a poor person who can’t afford to take time off to get an ID. If your are making that kind of money, you already have a photo ID. You people amaze me with you stupidity. — On Fri, 9/28/12, Disqus <notifications@disqus

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ralph-Lackey/100001785091603 Ralph Lackey

            So if a person does not have an I.D. they are to be denied their constitutional right to vote. How low will you people sink to win an election?

          • Oldleatherneck

            No one is denighing any one their voting rights period. All we are asking is to prove you are who you say you are, and that you don’t go down the road and vote in another precinct as somone else. The fact that there is such a hue and cry,and indignant objection tells me that voter fraud is your intent. .

          • joyscarbo

            Oldleatherneck….I’ve never had to present id to ENTER a county courthouse or federal building.
            You do not need picture id to go to an ER, or food stamps. You simply have to show that you receive mail- such as electricity bills-your address. Medicaid cards and food stamp EBT cards don’t have photos.
            Besides that, I nearly NEVER show id when using my debit card. I rarely write a check.
            There are many instances where photo id is NOT required. Not everyone has it, but I believe it is good to have. A passport will do.
            My mentally handicapped son it an adult and has a state-issued photo id, but he’s never been asked to produce it and he gets Supplemental Security Income, Medicaid and gets food stamps.
            The whole idea of “voter fraud” is a ridiculous smoke screen perpetrated by the right. Our country has a bigger problem with it’s citizens NOT voting at all, than it does with nafarious individuals trying to vote who aren’t legal to vote.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1026883350 Pam Tucker

        Focus — you’re not on the same page. Remind yourself of the discussion rather than attempting to throw barbs that, obviously, don’t contribute to making you appear intelligent.

        • montanabill

          Oh yeah, the discussion was about some ridiculously manufactured ‘war on voting’. I get the ‘war on the poor’, ‘war on the middle class’, ‘war on women’, ‘war on latinos’, ‘war on blacks’, ‘war on veterans’, ‘war on teachers’, ‘war on saving Medicare’, ‘war on spending’, ‘war on dancing horses’, and the ‘war du jour’ all mixed up.

      • AaronNashuaNH

        Montanabill continues to show his “true colors” of supreme ignorance. You really need to complete your elementary school training.
        Take “Allllamerican” back to school with you while you’re at it.

        • montanabill

          Suppose you explain my ‘supreme ignorance’.

      • http://twitter.com/jmprint Mary Martinez

        We don’t mind showing our IDs, it’s just a shame you repubs pick on poor people, and think they are not worthy of voting. Not every individual is as lucky as you montanabill.

        • montanabill

          If you don’t mind showing an ID, why are you upset? And why do you think Republicans pick on poor people? Seems to me the ones that prey on poor people are the ones that want to ensnare them in the quicksand of entitlement.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            montanabill: Words to the wise (problem is, you get so few “wise” on this forum): “…. the ones that prey on poor people are the ones that want to ensnare them in the quicksand of entitlement.”

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ralph-Lackey/100001785091603 Ralph Lackey

        You cannot in good conscience be comparing the constitutionally protected right to vote to attendance at a convention, can you?

        • montanabill

          You surely in good conscience don’t think we have a right to know if the person appearing to vote has that right?

      • joyscarbo

        You’re making a mountain out of something that isn’t even a mole hill!!! There IS NO SIGNIFICANT VOTER FRAUD IN AMERICA, BILL!!

        The truth about voting is that too many Americans DON’T EVEN VOTE!!!

        The closer we get to the election, the more desparate you types are getting.
        Mitt’s toast…good luck with YOUR candidate, which YOUR party nominated.

        Your party is looking like it will go the way of the dinosaur if you republicans don’t get your heads out of your butts and start acting like we live in the 21st century- not 1950!!

    • 13observer

      Sorry to say it but; after 78 years, you still don’t know sh*t !!!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      Dirty Tricks The GOP Has They Been Using Them Forever !! Lie, Cheat And Steal Is Their Only Way Of Winning!!! Now That The GOP Got Their Lips Stuck On The Tea Party Asses They Are Just Nothing But Low Life Thugs!!! Terrorists And Traitors To Their Country And The American People!!!

      • ALLLLAMERICAN

        Heeeeeyyyyy allllll you OBAMA LOVERS—-

        We knew it would come out—-BUT, I’m guessing your channel is NOT reporting this!

        The Obama Administration Knew Libya Attack Was Terrorism Within 24 Hours—-
        He was trying to cover it up!!!!!!!!! THEY HAVE CONFERMED IT NOW!!!!!

        Now—You tell me who LIEING, CHEATING, AND STEALING is!!!
        Who’s on the Terrorist side!!!!!!!!!! OBAMA IS A TERRORIST!!!!!!!!!

        This article has NOTHING to do with your beloved Barack Hussein Obama either
        BUT—-I JUST LOVE TELLING YA!!!!!

        YOU WILL SEE—–
        YOU WILL SEE IF OBAMA GETS IN ANOTHER 4-YEARS
        YOU WILL SEE HIS TRUE COLORS EVEN MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • msrita

          Yes I did and you can spin if you want. The Video started it and know we have all the facts.

          He is better than a 47% and taking from elders and people who have worked for our benefits.

          If you think this will change anyone about your party then I have a bridge I would like to sell.

        • http://twitter.com/jmprint Mary Martinez

          So far I like all the colors I see in Obama.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

          Your channel was late reporting that Obama knew the embassy attack in Libya was terrorism, Mine told me that about 6 hours after it happened. So like most Republicans you like repeating lies and can’t stick to the subject that is being discussed especially when it shows the type of people Republicans have become and shows they no longer represent anyone that doesn’t have a few millions or billions in their US and off shores bank accounts that includes you, montanabill and mustgo no matter how hard you want to think otherwise.

          • http://www.facebook.com/warren.nicholson.77 Warren Nicholson

            I supect that all three are sock Puppets of one deranged mind. Their posts look as if one person is doing the writing.

        • anyasnote

          Your IDOL commented 6 hrs before it happened – how did he know.. Did he have something to do with it but did not expected for anybody to die??? Hmmm. His crystal ball should tell him if he wins or looose. Your other hero Dubya the Drunk planned Iraq war way before the 9/11 – looks like the 200M plus is a waste of money for Adelson, he will get it back through his casino, people like you will be gambling and refill his coffers. He should have pick the Badwoman Moochelle Backwoman for VP – R/R mooch of taxpayers and so Moochelle – off Farm subsidy and Child services. What a way to go. Take your meds. No matter what Obama will be black/white for the rest of his life, no more than you can change your color and character. Guess what – Obama will be fine if he loses, will U?????
          U see he will have his paycheck for the rest of his life and body guards what will have you – 6K Voucher???? No SS – will be in Wall Street hands (we know how that worked out for some) and if they go belly up no more Gov. stimulus. R/R do not believe it, they believe in total bankruptcy and the hell with people that they owe money to – TAXPAYERS. Do you know how Corporate bankruptcies work???
          Look it up and LEARN how your buddy made money and did not pay ANY TAXES. Corporations are people my friend. NOT.

        • VeteranForTruth

          The same folks who now say it was a terrorist attack work for him. How in the world can it be a cover up? It is his folks. His only mistake was talking too soon about it.

          Grasping at straws…. Non-issue. Move along….

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/WTVB5L6XIWCVK57IAZJO3EXPP4 Gerald

          What? You’ve just now discovered that he’s Black? But it’s nice to get the racist teabagger point of view. Thank you for your reasonable discourse.

        • joyscarbo

          Yeah, and W knew that the attack on OUR OWN AMERICAN SOIL was “immenent,” and had SEVERAL days and even weeks before 9/11/2001.
          WHAT’S YOUR DAMNED POINT????!!!
          You repubes and neo-cons are so desparate, you’re using anything!!!

        • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

          ALLLLLLL American Asshole Once Known As ONEGONEWRONG Tea Bagging Troll Your Boy Romney Look Like A Damn Fool Go Help Your Fellow THUG!!

        • Bodine666

          In every thread there are some that are so filled with irrational hatred they will never stick to the subject. There are those that will post one right-wing lie after another. All of them irrelevant.

          What does anything you post here have to do with voting / reality?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        Fernie girl: To quote you: “ALLLLLLL American Asshole Go Screw Yourself!!!!!! Meet The New Troll Same As The Old Troll!!!” ….
        …. man, you are really, really crazy, Fernie!!!
        Why don’t you get yourself some professional help ??
        P.S. – Your 12 “Likes” are as crazy as you are (I guess they all are smarter than you – that’s so easy) but they do not dare contradict you and your crazy, DIRTY mouth and forked tongue….

    • ALLLLAMERICAN

      Have you EVER heard of ‘ACORN” or does YOUR new channel NOT mention that???

      or the dead relatives, or kids or dogs????

      • http://twitter.com/jmprint Mary Martinez

        Have you not heard of Florida, where people show their documents and still get denial letters.

      • DemCommonSense

        The funny thing about Acorn was that they (ACORN) found out about it and reported it themselves. But you conveniently left that out, Buddy.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

        I have heard of Acorn, they are the ones that turned in people to the law that were illegally putting down dead people and Mickey Mouse cartoon characters in the voting registers that they were registering voters in for Acorn, a fact that all Republicans you included AllllAmerican accidently on purpose forget about and keep lying about. How about the Republicans in Wisconsin that turned in a list of people that the incumbent needed to be put on the ballot that were photocopies of earlier lists used to get the man put on an earlier ballot and then 1 to 3 photo copies of current signatures they had collected this year added to his list, you don’t want to talk about that do you.Needless to say but he won’t be on the ballot this year.

    • msrita

      Yet you have internet, I don’t call your party that phrase however I call it as I see them Robme/lyingRyan.

      • BDD1951

        Why are you mad at me? I’m on your side.

  • ARepublicanNorthlandGrad

    Okay, so you know it is a strategy, come up with a counter. I don’t think it is worth the hoopla on both sides. If you can get them to the polls to vote, you can get them to where ever they have to go to get an I.D. It ain’t right, but stop the hand wringing and do something.

    • YepThatTell

      Apparently our votes are important enough for political groups to actively work to suppress them. I think this is worth the ‘hoopla’ – it’s a little more than a minor aggravation, and if you think it’s easy for poor CITIZENS, aged or ill CITIZENS, or CITIZENS who have to work two jobs to just go ‘get an ID’, you are, sadly, out of touch with reality.

      • totenkatz

        Not if you want to vote. My mother is 83 and has ID to vote, she considers it her patriotic duty to vote and have an ID to prove it’s her voting. She’s strange that way. Of course she also walks a few miles every day except when it is too cold to do so. Oh and come November 6th she will walk to the polling place to vote since she doesn’t feel she can safely drive and as she says it’s only a quarter mile.

        • YepThatTell

          I said it is not easy. It is reality. Kudos to your grandmother but not everyone is her.
          MargAnn Turnipseed

      • ARepublicanNorthlandGrad

        Your reading comprehension is appalling. In the past both parties have had drives to register voters, even providing transportation to the polls. Its more work, but give the people a hand. I am seeing this story everywhere, but I am seeing nothing to counter it except complaining about their dirty tricks.

  • montanabill

    Let’s see, having to verify that you are a legal resident and not dead to vote is somehow ‘lying, cheating and stealing’. If getting rid of illegal voters is called ‘doing anything to win’, you are right.

    • coliwabl

      Your line of thinking is so typical of the “Tea-Bagger” way of thinking. You’ve apparently missed the entire point of the article.

    • YepThatTell

      The actual cases of voter fraud identified have been few and far between.

      • montanabill

        But enough to influence elections. It can only take one vote.

        • english_teacher

          Name the elections that have been influenced by voter fraud. I think the ones you are referring to are known as “election fraud”. Look up the definition. They’re two different animals.

          • montanabill

            Name the elections that haven’t been influenced by voter fraud. Once a fraudulent vote has been cast, it is nearly impossible to go back and determine it was fraudulent. If you get more votes in a precinct than there are voters in that precinct, which votes are fraudulent? The action has to be taken prior to the vote. It is much too late after the vote.

          • dtgraham

            Are you kidding me. “Name the elections that HAVEN’T been influenced by voter fraud.” So you’re saying that voter fraud is only limited by your imagination.

            How do you feel about the thousands of legitimate citizens (read Democratic leaning) who routinely get thrown off the rolls in those purges? It’s been documented many times in Florida and elsewhere.

            I asked you to provide studies, or some kind of solid evidence, of in person voter fraud involving impersonating a deceased person. You gave me an urban legend from 52 years ago.

          • montanabill

            And you are giving me an urban legend about ‘thousands of legitimate citizens’ getting thrown off voter rolls.

            Ok, here’s one:

            In October, KTVU Channel 2 cross-checked California’s state death registry record across voter lists in the nine Bay Area counties, finding that in eight elections in the last ten years, “232 people with death certificates had voted after they had died – some more than once.” 153 of these cases were from one county, Alameda. Karin MacDonald, the director of the Election Administration Research Center at UC-Berkeley, said “Probably what we’re looking at is a lot of administrative error. There may very well be someone in there that somebody has voted for. Absolutely.”

          • dtgraham

            Your own KTVU report goes on to describe Alameda county’s thoroughness in removing dead voters from the rolls. It’s not a phony purge and is well intentioned. The irregularities likely were bookkeeping errors as the report suggests. 232 people over 10 years in a state with the size and population of California ain’t much, although I’m not going to defend dead voter impersonation.

            The thing is, there are no national standards with these purges. They happen in secret with no accountability. They’re being used for nefarious purposes in GOP controlled states for something other than just cleaning up the rolls.

            Sorry, forgot to get the source of this story but just type in something to do with Florida and purging and you’ll have a month’s worth of reading. Florida did a purge earlier this year that supposedly removed “thousands of eligible voters” (according to the article) and they’re now doing another one. Of registered party affiliation, about 16% of people on the list are Republicans with the rest being Democrats. The list is dominated with Hispanic surnames and apparently many of those people keep sending in their proof of citizenship and still routinely appear on a purge list again. Who do Hispanics usually vote for?

            In a story on “Texas purges living people from voter rolls” they were given a warning by the SS administration not to rely on their death list as it wasn’t accurate enough for those purposes.

            In Houston, the Harris county tax assessor got hundreds of calls from elderly voters who’d gotten the death notice. He then looked at the SS list that was being used. “A quick check of some of the information on that database led us to believe that there was a big probability that even a majority of the names on the list were people that were still alive.”

            The former secretary of State in Michigan lost two court cases over inaccurate voter purges and intentional attempts to engage in illegal voter caging.

            I read a number of websites on dead impersonation. IF I wasn’t reading some fake Republic sites and this on the lam, then I think that it’s an issue but it’s still nowhere near the issue of this fraudulent purging and it can be dealt with. I’m not defending it. Get the federal government involved and let’s have national purging standards with monitored, accountable, purges. Get it into the daylight.

          • montanabill

            Florida tagged the thousands as ‘possible’ illegal voters. In Florida, Hispanics are divided. Cubans regularly vote Republican, but they are now a minority of Hispanic voters in Florida.

            I agree with your call for uniform monitoring of voter rolls, but simply showing a valid ID pretty much accomplishes the same goal.

          • dtgraham

            Yes, if several different types of reasonable ID were accepted, or the specific gov’t voting ID (Penndot for example) were always free and great lengths were gone to in order to make sure that it was easily available to all, OK. That’s not being done though.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            montanabill: You are confusing these liberals with common sense and FACTS, …. and they don’t like it !!

          • montanabill

            Yeah, but you have to keep trying. Since all they ever normally hear or see is super slant to the left, all built on emotion and victimization, a little factual information can sometimes pop that bubble.

  • msrita

    I heard a story about college students that advocates needed a dorm room number. Was rejected by the Register Recorders Office.

    What this is also about the make it people who work in theses offices all over our country working on crap when they have a job to do.

  • 5612jean

    When the Democrates get control of the House and Congress, the top of their agenda should include a constitutional amendments which would never again allow one party over the over to implement laws that would block anyones right to vote who by law is a legal citizen. If the actions of the gop don’t convince you what an evil group of people these are than nothing will. They are always talking about morality and family. It seems to me this is the party of no morals. I’ve heard them say over and over, we’re taking our country back. Back to where. If they had their way only white people would have the right to vote. Don’t let these devils steal the elections. Do what you need to do to register and get out and vote.

    • imabrummie

      I am in full agreement with all that you have said. I thought I was relatively conservative in terms of my politics; however, the current Republican Party is so far to the right that Hitler would be proud of them.

      Get off your behinds, people . . . go and vote to get these evil folks out of Government and restore some sanity to Washington politics. If you are not registered, then claim your legal right and REGISTER then make the effort and VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!!!!!

    • ALLLLAMERICAN

      The Democrates HAD control of the House and Congress for TWO years!!!!!!!!!!

      What did they do????????

      • 5612jean

        Yes they did. I guess they did not forsee how truly evil the gop of is. Now we know and we need to stop them from ever trying this again.

      • grammyjill

        Listened to republican filabusters. Don’t you watch the House on TV. Very educational.

    • ChicagoGirl2975

      No, if they had their way, only white MEN would be allowed to vote.

  • YepThatTell

    On top of all these well-organized and well-documented outright attempts to deny American citizens their voting rights with the stated purpose of defeating President Obama, all these challenges that TeaBagger-backed so-called ‘independent concerned citizen groups’ have brought to various State Election Commissions are wasting millions of taxpayer dollars.

    The GOP talk a great game about fiscal responsibility and deficit reduction but it’s just talk… this is just another example of how they blithely squander resources of time and money that could be put to better use protecting fair elections and doing work for the American People.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2BK4GN6CDVOOBMXWHI3KXFAFNE douglas

    Any party whether Democrat or Republican that will try to suppress the vote of any group
    of people is acting in a very un-American way. The founding fathers are probable turning over
    in their graves.

  • Abusfix

    Ok here ‘s who is going to possibly miss the voting. Its the people who acorn picks up at the homeless shelter on the day of the election and promises them a hamburger if they vote straight democrat. That’s who they will miss. The thing is those are the small few of people who DON’T WANT AN ID. I would be offended if one of you keep telling me I’m not able to go and get a free ID. Who do you think you are. Are you claiming to be that much better than the poor. You should be ashamed of what your doing. I forgot you don’t know the meaning of the word.

  • blowcoldblowhot

    I am a permanent resident (Green Card holder since 2010) and as far as I know I am NOT eligible to vote. I got a letter from ACORN insisting that I am qualified to vote, and all including illegals as long as they can present a valid ID. They said they can help me register as Democrat. Is this true?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OAT6GEIDI5HWY2H6KOUAJXKLY4 AliciaSolis

      You’re an idiot…Sell that b/s to people who are as ignorant as you…

      • blowcoldblowhot

        Give me your email address or home address and I attached via email a copy of the letter I got or I will mail it to you via the usual post. I can also give you the phone number of another guy who phone me also and offering me the same service and even offered to help me apply for food stamp if I register as Democrat. I am employed and I don’t need one.

    • CPANY

      No. You must be a citizen of the United States.

    • 5612jean

      I know this is someone in the gop trying to make it look like acorn is helping people register to illegally vote. THEY DON”T EXIST ANYMORE. Use common sense people. Google it, they are out of business.

      • blowcoldblowhot

        Give me your email address or home address and I will attached via email a copy of the letter I got or I will mail it to you via the usual post. I can also give you the phone number of another guy who phone me also and offering me the same service and even offered to help me apply for food stamp if I register as Democrat. I am employed and I don’t need one. BTW what is ACORN?, I am new here in America, I came in 2010.

  • neeceoooo

    Are you sure that is not the “Democrats can’t win by an honest vote”?

  • 13observer

    If you don’t have the wherewithall to obtain proper I.D. ……… you have NO business voting! It is NOT “cost prohibitive” to secure the documents needed….its just that the democrats don’t have the time to get every lazy fu*king “welfare case” off their ass to finally do something in their life!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OAT6GEIDI5HWY2H6KOUAJXKLY4 AliciaSolis

      Oh, you think people less fortunate are somehow welfare cases and ignorant? You want to know ignorant,look in the freakin and stop labelling people..I bet you’re no prize,mi amigo…

      • ALLLLAMERICAN

        The mirror has nothing to do with it!!!!!!!!
        Maybe you should stop wasting time looking in the mirror
        and get a job or two or three jobs so you can support yourself—-

        NOBODY ELSE SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!

    • http://twitter.com/jmprint Mary Martinez

      Looks like you’re out of touch, like Romney!

    • daniel bostdorf

      13observer…..you are a right wing fascist. You are listening toomuch to Limbaugh and a few other propagandists.

      Quit lying and quit distorting and quit posting her ok?
      Go post at foxFAUXnews..

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

      Keep lying 13observer.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KOPKDFAUQPIIRAFI3HEXNMSHLQ Ed

    Well, they tried putting thugs in polling places and that didn’t work, so they had to do something more unamerican. I believe the idea came form ALEC, the originator of “stand your ground” laws.

  • totenkatz

    To AliciaSolis, I don’t have to prove it to you. I don’t care if you believe me or not.

  • 13observer

    I am a prize…just ask my wife! She loves me because I can provide for my family by means of LEGAL employment because UNION ROCKS! We negotiate WAGES not WELFARE ! We are not afraid to stand up for ourselves!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X2KKGDYW2F5T5XUT6233KBNWSI robert

    The key word here is “manipulation”. That is the greatest gimmick in the Republican Acme Bag O’ Tricks for the last 147 years. Their slight of hand is very skillful and is very unnoticeable even by the most expert eyes. That is obvious anytime everyone, even Democrats, is saying the the Voter ID trick isn’t a big deal, that all we have to do is register. We register, get to the polls, then what do we do at the polls when we are told “You can’t vote. Your papers are incorrect.” Millions of people, especially the most deprived and disadvantaged 47% will be told that. What do we do then when we can’t exercise our Constitutionally-given right to vote as American citizens? When that Congressman stood in front of those Republicans in Philadelphia and said Voter ID and Romney wins!” nearly three months ago, he knew what he was talking about. On the other hand, this may backfire on them where the piano or a huge boulder will drop from the sky and flatten them in a cloud of dust. Most of the 47% Romney was disparaging might still be tempted to vote Republican/Tea Party, and they may be turned around as well. The middle class is a lot larger than the republican/tea Party thinks, and the middle class are aware of the danger of voting Republican/Tea Party in this election’s negative atmosphere. So, there is no win-win in this. It’s like sawing off a branch from the outside of it. One thing is clear: it will take decades for the Republicans to repair the image they have created for themselves in this election. It stunk to high-heaven in Bush v Gore. The trouble with playing with glue before lighting a stick of dynamite is it may blow up in your hand. Oh-oh!!! BOOM!

    • ALLLLAMERICAN

      ACORN!!!!

      DEAD REALITIVES!!!!

      DOGS!!!!!

      Kids!!!!!!

      • Sand_Cat

        Your first citation shows your dependence on Fox News and other wingnuts for your “documented facts.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OAT6GEIDI5HWY2H6KOUAJXKLY4 AliciaSolis

    Yes, I suppose one’s person trash could be another person’s treasure–you bigot…..Stop labeling people…

    What does you’re being in a Union have to do with the price of eggs or this subject? My father was a mechanical engineer and a Union member all his life..SO WHAT…?

  • CPANY

    This shouldn’t surprise anyone familiar with the voting history of America since 2000, when the Supreme Court enabled Dubya to steal Florida and thus the election. I never understood why Gore didn’t sue. So what if suing would have created distrust and delayed the election by a couple of months? We’re heading for that now, anyway.

    Both parties are guilty of these low tricks. Chicago is probably the most egregious example of voter fraud that has been countenanced by both political parties for at least a century. In that case, the fraud has been perpetrated by the Democratic Party.

    One of the dangers of countenancing these frauds is that a sizeable segment of the population won’t accept the results and will turn to violence to thwart the victory that was fraudulently obtained.

  • quasm

    Mr. Sattler;

    The last documented voter suppression I saw was two New Black Panther members standing outside a polling place with clubs in their hands. A crime which Attorney General Holder refused to prosecute. Couldn’t you have entitled this article “Dem’s effort to win by getting illegal voters?”

    Dik Thurston
    Colorado Springs

    • 5612jean

      If that one incident did indeed happen, it does not compare to blantant voter suppression that is going on now. All someone had to do was call the police and have them removed. The gop is trying to change laws to keep minorities and democrates from the polls. There is a huge difference. Romney and the gop know they could never win fair and square.

      • ALLLLAMERICAN

        What do you mean, “If that incident did indeed happen??”

        Don’t you know EVERYTHING that went on during the last election—-

        They were bound and determined to get their brotha in there whatever it took!!

        Look it up so you are educated on the subject!!!!!!

        • 5612jean

          I mean just what I said. Call the police if you feel intimidated.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        5612jean: You say that “Romney and the gop know they could never win fair and square.”
        Wow! How do you know that the GOP “know” that?
        How do you know that the GOP can not win “fair and square”?
        The reality (someting the crazy libs on this forum are completely removed from) is that the candidate with the most Electoral College votes WINS the election.
        Get it ??

        • 5612jean

          I know exactly how the electoral college works. It also takes votes to make up those electoral colleges votes. It seems everyone knows except you what the gop is up to. Jim Greer, ex-chair of the Florida gop told exactly what the gop is up to. He stated he was in meeting where the topic was voter suppression. I’m sure you won’t believe it, but I do. Especially in light of what is going on with voter ID laws, restrictions on early voting and the audiacity of officials in Ohio attempting to shorten the days democrates can vote and lengthen the days republicans can vote. I suppose you don’t believe that either. To me that makes it very obvious, without cheating romney/ryan can not win.

  • ALLLLAMERICAN

    Bottom Line———

    If you don’t have an ID—– you can NOT vote and should not vote.

    If you don’t have an ID, there’s a problem and you don’t deserve to vote as an American!!!!!!

    • Sand_Cat

      The bottom line is: you and your moronic buddies can’t win without depriving legal registered voters of their rights, yet you arrogate to yourself the sole right to decide who is an “American.” Clearly, you and the people behind this effort to combat nonexistent fraud hate the United States, its citizens, and its Constitution, which you prove by repeated efforts to prevent voting and violate the Bill of Rights at every opportunity.

    • daniel bostdorf

      baloney….Pennsylvania federal judge today overturned the Republican attempt to suppress voters..

      ALLLLAMERICAN who hides behind a fake name…is is not a real american…

      You are a right wing fascist. You are listening too much to Limbaugh and a few other propagandists.

      Quit lying and quit distorting and quit posting her ok?
      Go post at foxFAUXnews..

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

      Keep lying who hides behind a fake name…is is not a real american…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BVVMEG2VFQQ2OLCV5HELWIQIWQ IsaacC

    democrats dirty tricks in the block w.h.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/O3WEXULTDRKCEIVDCFIPKYHAMQ seche

    If this is the only way the republicans can win I feel sorry for them .
    They should make voting for the president a federal vote and done seperately from any other vote on a different day and or different month. It should be a vote by the peoples popular vote

    • Sand_Cat

      Your pity would be better given to those already compelled to live under Republican rule, and to all of use if Romney wins.

  • ExPAVIC

    What did you expect?

    The American Taliban Republicans’ beliefs, intentions, and principles all suck and their candidate(s) can’t speak without ending up with their shoe(s) in their mouths so now what is left to accomplish?

    Why it’s the old Karl “Goebbels” Rove move to attack the persona of the opposition leader, generate discrediting untruths about that leader, and suppress the votes for those who would support that leader.

    Simple put, the American Taliban Republicans are in such dire straights that they will to ANYTHING in order to improve their present condition. In fact, some of their own have said that if they can’t win something in this election, they may as well hang it up for the next twenty years.

  • Edsanjuan

    Jason Sattler, you sorry excuse for a “reporter”:
    The only way Obama can be re-elected is by:
    1) playing to the uneducated, ignorant masses (“Obama gave me a phone !!”);
    2) getting the illegals to vote and letting voters to vote illegally without ANY ID.
    The Democraps arguments to the effect that ANY voter who shows up (without ID) should be allowed to vote is disingenuous and naive (in the best case) or downright dishonest and criminal (in the worst case).
    What is really happening here is that the W.H.’s own internal polls have Obama losing and they are preparing a ruse to “explain” the devastating loss they are going to be dealt on November 6th ….

    • Sand_Cat

      Given #1, I gather you’ll be voting for Obama.

      You, of course, have no idea what the Democrats’ position is on this, as clearly indicated by your statement after #2. But no – wait- you were talking about the “Democraps” – whoever they might be – not the Democrats.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        Sand_Cat: So when you tell me that “… You, of course, have no idea what the Democrats’ position is on this, …”, are you NOW denying, after every Leftie “poster” on this forum has stated that (as I said) “ANY voter who shows up (without ID) should be allowed to vote” , that this is NOT precisely the “Democrats’ position”???
        Make up your mind, Sand_cat….

    • daniel bostdorf

      edsanjuan who hides behind a fake name…

      You are a right wing fascist. You are listening toomuch to Limbaugh and a few other propagandists.

      Quit lying and quit distorting and quit posting her ok?
      Go post at foxFAUXnews..

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

      Keep lying edsanjuan.

      ps….go to 252 Calle Cristo in Old an Juan.tu es loco ….see you this weekend. Saturday at the miracle Church….because Romney will need a miracle…

      Mi casa es 252 Calle Cristo this weekend….I go there twice a month….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        danny: My same answer to your same inane comments about my posts.
        …. and your Spanish STILL SUCKS !!!! LOL !!!

  • BDD1951

    Probably Gore would have had to deal with that same Supreme court.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QQJ46QFCTLYVSOPO3FR2DRMN7A stugatz

    evil Repubes, as always

  • msrita

    Robme said in a statement the our solders are committing suicide because of budget cuts to our Military. What he does not know about PTS how is this for our running President. He has no clue that they are damage when they get back. Marriages break up.

    GET A CLUE ROMNEY

    GOD PLEASE DON’T LET THIS MAN WIN, IT WILL BE THE END OF WORLD FOR 47%

  • Edsanjuan

    Sand_Cat: Let it sink in: The only way Obama can be re-elected is by: 1) playing to the uneducated, ignorant masses (“Obama gave me a phone !!”); 2) getting the illegals to vote and letting voters to vote illegally without ANY ID. The Democraps arguments to the effect that ANY voter who shows up (without ID) should be allowed to vote is disingenuous and naive (in the best case) or downright dishonest and criminal (in the worst case). What is really happening here is that the W.H.’s own internal polls have Obama losing and they are preparing a ruse to “explain” the devastating loss they are going to be dealt on November 6th ….

    • 5612jean

      We shall see. When he does win you are free to move to Canada.

      • ALLLLAMERICAN

        We will have to unless we join the bread lines with the rest of you!!!

    • daniel bostdorf

      edsanjuan who hides behind a fake name…

      You are a right wing fascist. You are listening toomuch to Limbaugh and a few other propagandists.

      Quit lying and quit distorting and quit posting her ok?
      Go post at foxFAUXnews..

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

      Keep lying edsanjuan.

      ps….go to 252 Calle Cristo in Old an Juan.tu es loco ….see you this weekend. Saturday at the miracle Church….because Romney will need a miracle…

      Mi casa es 252 Calle Cristo this weekend….I go there twice a month….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        daniel bust: Even though your idiotic post and STUPID veiled threats (” … tu es loco … see you this weekend”) do not deserve a response, I have decided to ” enlighten” you anyway:
        1) You are a Left wing socialist useful idiot. You are listening too much to Rachel Madcow, Michael Moore , Bill Maher, Whoopi Goldberg, Joe (The Clown) Biden, George Clueless, Jeremiah Wright, MSLSD and a few other propagandists.
        2) I will post on this cesspool until I, not you, decide to stop, …. and there is NOTHING that a guy with your 23 IQ can do about it….
        3) Your IDOL Obozo is the one who practices, to a ” t” , what Goebbels and Hitler said about repeating a big lie so many times that the IDIOTS among the citizens actually start believing the lie. Examples, dan ? “Oh, the middle class is doing just fine !” ; “You didn’t build that!!” ; “I have created millions of jobs !” ; “I attended the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years, but I don’t share his views”, etc., etc.
        4) Your IDOL, Obozo, is an ARROGANT man (mind you, I didn’t say ” arrogant idiot” because I happen to think that, after all the damage he has heaped on this Nation, he does not even have the excuse of being an idiot; on the contrary, everything has been done DELIBERATELY).
        5) Obama’s policies of Big (bigger) Government and wealth ” transfer” have not worked. Yet, he wants MORE of what has not worked. He deserves to lose big on Nov. 6th. Even people who voted for him in 2008 are saying this.
        6) You did not address, much less answer, my arguments to Sand_Cat to the effect that:
        “The only way Obama can be re-elected is by: 1) playing to the uneducated, ignorant masses (“Obama gave me a phone !!”); 2) getting the illegals to vote and letting voters to vote illegally without ANY ID. The Democraps arguments to the effect that ANY voter who shows up (without ID) should be allowed to vote is disingenuous and naive (in the best case) or downright dishonest and criminal (in the worst case).”
        You stand corrected, danny boy….
        P.S. – Your Spanish SUCKS !!!…. and I can run rings around you, my friend, BOTH in English AND in Spanish, ha, ha!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XZHM4NTQPABJCVJJH4ZIMQ2BIA James W.

    When will we ever learn, the Republican is not about what’s good for the country as a whole, their only interested in their part of the country. What happen to the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few. They did their tricks in 2000 with the vote. They did it again in 2010, which put the country in slow down process towards economic recovery. The law that counts is constitutional law. Which clearly state’s that no state law or legislation can exist in the land if it goes contrary to the laws of the constitution. It’s “We The People” not “We The Republican”. Our enemies are just sitting, watching and waiting for the great eagle to become vulnerable so they can finish us. At the rate the Republican are going I would not be surprise if they don’t doing human sacrifice to win power.

  • DemCommonSense

    You are so funny!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

      DemCommonSense: Your name is a contradiction in terms !!

  • DemCommonSense

    They were filibustered on everything they attempted to bring to the floor….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

    People on here who think it is no big deal that voters show ids to get to vote have no idea how many people that were born and raised in this country that do not have a picture id or any other kind of ID. Social Security will take as prove of date of birth a family Bible but the Republican controlled states won’t except it to issue you your “free ID”. Birth certificates were not issued by all the states until the 1960′s so there are many people that were born in states that did not require birth certificates to be issued until the 50′s and 60′s, so now they have to pay to get a delayed birth certificate so they can get their “free ID”. Also since not everyone has a driver’s license, flies, or buys booze or smokes or theystarted their banking accounts before ID’s were required to do so they do not have an ID. Also not any state has state offices in every county where a person can go and get the state approved “free ID” and in the counties where these offices are their working hours and days are the same as hours people that work the day shift in businesses and factories. So a person that has to get a state approved “free ID” has to pay out any where from $25.00 to over $100.00 dollars to get the documents need to to get their “free ID”, take time off from work and lose part of their pay and in most cases have to pay someone to take them to the state office in their county or 6 0r 7 counties over to get this “free state approved ID”. This so called “free ID “issued by the Republican controlled states can end up costing people well over $300.00 so they can vote. That to many of us equals a poll tax that was declared be unlawful back in the late 50″ and is being used in the same way that poll taxes were to keep people from being able to vote as is their Constitutional right. Most voter fraud happens before the voting begins as has been shown in 3 different states where Republicans have been charged with pre voting fraud and after the voting is over and the counting started, like in Florida in 2000 and in Ohio where there was more votes counted in one county than there was people registered to vote that was in the 2004 when Bush 2 won Ohio. There is case after case of voter fraud before and after people vote very few of cases of voter fraud when actual voting is happening. There is one other thing for all of you defending this voter ID deal remember you begin to lose your all of your freedoms when one freedom is diluted like the right to vote is being done in Republican states. The next thing to go will be the right of 97% of us to vote because we aren’t millionaires or billionaires. Think about that.

  • DemCommonSense

    You are so silly. Keep talking. It is GREAT comedy….

  • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.wible Douglas Wible

    Republican FREEDOM FIGHTERS are fighting freedom wherever it rears it’s ugly head.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ralph-Lackey/100001785091603 Ralph Lackey

    Lying old man.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ralph-Lackey/100001785091603 Ralph Lackey

    Because the GOP knows that no court will let them steal the election this time around, so the plan is to keep Democrats from voting any way they can.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ralph-Lackey/100001785091603 Ralph Lackey

    Please post any proof that an election anywhere was won or lost because of voter fraud. Also, post all the national elections that have ever lost or won by one vote. Spin it anyway you want but it is still voter supression.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ralph-Lackey/100001785091603 Ralph Lackey

    You are just a weak minded scared little white man.

  • ladyljd

    Please, montanabill, name 1 example of an illegal voting. I’m betting you can’t … because there are none! There is only 1 reason for these new laws: the election of Obama. Your crowd hate his coalition that happens to contain lots of young and minority citizens. Thankfully, you can make laws that restrict just these groups of people. All you needed was willing legislatures which you manufactured in 2010 thanks to a complacent public. NO MORE! This shall not stand. You will not steal another election. 2000 was enough.

  • 13observer

    We know you’re not out of touch Mary????????????? Did I mention we just love hearing from you and the fu*king “peanut gallery” PROFESSOR ………………next!

    • daniel bostdorf

      13observer…..you are a right wing fascist. You are listening toomuch to Limbaugh and a few other propagandists.

      Quit lying and quit distorting and quit posting her ok?
      Go post at foxFAUXnews..

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

      Keep lying 13observer.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YC3KUIKU73TSGSL75ZEBXFQNAA laura

    Why would any legal citizen have a problem showing ID to vote? We all do want a fair count don’t we?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

      laura: Good questions !!
      the answer to the first is: OF COURSE NOT !
      the answer to the second is: the crazy leftist liberals want a “fair count” ONLY if that count INCLUDES BOTH legal and illegal votes….

  • ralphkr

    I keep hearing all the yapping about returning the US to the country the founding fathers loved so-o-o… I reckon that means that only property owners should be allowed to vote.

    • dtgraham

      That’s exactly right ralphkr. Originally, only white male property owners could vote. I’ve a feeling that today’s GOP might be OK with that though. I think that’s what the vote suppression laws are about although they’ll make an exception if you’re well healed and willing to vote Republican.

  • joyscarbo

    Voter fraud is a another republican smoke screen.

    Here’s the bottom line: If you want to vote, do what you have to do to vote.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JMT6C3LHLJDD4RX4NB4KY5ICAE gargray

    It is nice to see so many smart people in our society, most of them must be democrats. How can anyone vote for Romney and Ryan? or anyone doing dirty tricks. Shows the mentality of the The repubs.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X5243HIV6Y32KNPLIDC34EAFHE George

    Could anybody explain me the this voter ID thing. Here in Holland all those who
    have passports are citizens and therefore qualify to vote. You need not to register
    for each election to vote. In the Ministry of Internal affairs, all those are citizens
    get their voting notification few weeks before the elections.
    You have to have these things to be able to vote:
    1. National ID Card, this is used to travel all European countries as well without visa
    requirement
    2. Driving license, only to vote but does not qualify you to travel to other country
    other than in the country i which it is issued
    3. Passport
    You can vote with these documents in Holland

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KCS3Y6VPV2ZQPEWGGZLPSKQI7M Maynard

    The RNC has asked Republicans in several states to allow Strategic Allied Consulting to do voter registration. They have been paid $3.1 million gto the LA Times. It turns out they are falsifying Democratic voters papers, changing addresses, in order to make it look like the Democrats were engaged in fraud. Their response has been, gee, this is just isolated instances. They need to be criminally prosecuted.
    In 2004 the state’s electoral votes went to Bush despite exit polls indicating Kerry received more votes. It was because the Republican electronic voter theft guru, Mike Connell, had votes routed through Tennessee where they were altered. Later, when the courts were trying to unravel the mess, Mike Connell was subpoenaed. His lawyer filed a brief to the judge stating Connell feared Karl Rove if he had to testify. Sure enough, as he approached an airport in his plane, it blew up. Case closed.
    We have to recognize multi-gazillionaires expect to win, regardless of what they have to do. I won’t be too shocked if the Koch Brothers, the Jewish Casino owner, and others use dirty tactics to put the Vulture Capitalist, Hypocrite Mitt, corporate raider in the Oval Office. Take nothing for granted. Get out and vote or Rob-me will finish the job Bush was doing on us.

    • dtgraham

      That’s a big wow Maynard! I’ve sometimes wondered if some insider IT person will ever have a come to Jesus moment and reveal how the 2004 election was stolen for Bush.

  • DemCommonSense

    I don’t know… An advocate or supporter of democracy? I think that’s common sense. At least that how I define myself. What you define me as has no meaning to me…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HQ2BSHQWFZGGL46WFAYHNHNSEU Nate

    I just saw the latest times/quinippiac/CBS poll from Ohio. The President has open a huge lead. 53% to 43%. If true Romney is in big trouble. no republican has ever won with out Ohio. I expect the dirt to start flying.

  • quasm

    Mr. Daniel Bostdorf;

    Since I could not link to your response to my previous post I will respond here. First I will paste your comment so all may see it.

    “This article is about GIOP war on voting..

    nothing to do with black panthers…

    quasm who hides behind a fake name…is is not a real american…

    You are a right wing fascist. You are listening too much to Limbaugh and a few other propagandists.

    Quit lying and quit distorting and quit posting her ok?
    Go post at foxFAUXnews..

    Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

    or as Adolph Hitler stated:
    “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

    Keep lying who hides behind a fake name… ”

    I want to thank you for revealing the mind set of persons who cannot engage in rational debate. It is an honor for me to earn you opprobrium. Knowing that my comments can push the buttons of bigotry is a real pleasure to me.

    Best Regards;
    Dik

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