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Friday, March 22, 2019

WASHINGTON — Certain political clichés cry out to join the list of the biggest lies in the world. Today’s candidate: Partisan politics stops at the water’s edge.

The sentiment was first voiced by Sen. Arthur Vandenberg, a Michigan Republican who became chair of the Foreign Relations Committee in 1947. Vandenberg was for real, providing enthusiastic support for President Harry Truman’s Cold War policies.

But it’s time to admit that the immediate postwar period was a one-off in our history and that in the age of Barack Obama, even Republicans who agree with the president on a given foreign policy question have to disguise the fact with taunts and insults.

Our freedom to oppose a president whenever we choose is precious and differentiates us from, say, the citizens of Vladimir Putin’s Russia. We forget too easily that dissent, even in wartime, is an American tradition, from the deep divisions over the War of 1812 and Abraham Lincoln’s sharp critique of the Mexican War all the way through Vietnam and Iraq.

But these debates involved matters of principle. What’s strange about the response to Putin’s grab of Crimea is how eager Republicans are to blame Russian aggression on past Obama failures — even as Obama proposes to follow policies on Ukraine that they are themselves prescribing. To paraphrase the late Jeane Kirkpatrick, they blame Obama first.

In extreme instances, Obama’s foes have come down with truly weird cases of Putin Envy. “Putin decides what he wants to do and he does it in half a day, right?” former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani swooned Monday on Fox News. “He decided he had to go to their parliament. He went to their parliament. He got permission in 15 minutes.”

Fox’s Neil Cavuto rightly observed: “Well, I mean, that was kind of like perfunctory.” Giuliani was undeterred in his awe of authoritarianism: “But he makes a decision and he executes it, quickly. Then everybody reacts. That’s what you call a leader. President Obama, he’s got to think about it. He’s got to go over it again. He’s got to talk to more people about it.”

Ah, the joys of dictatorship.

And on the right wing, no day is complete without some invocation of Benghazi. Thus this tweet from Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), on Tuesday: “It started with Benghazi. When you kill Americans and nobody pays a price, you invite this type of aggression.”

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74 responses to “Blaming Obama First”

  1. Daniel Jones says:

    The problem is they don’t agree.. they say policy is theirs. Not the public’s, for damn sure not the Democrats’, just theirs.

  2. Dominick Vila says:

    The GOP understands, better than we do, that congressional elections are won by convincing voters at a state and district level, and that the easiest way to get their votes is to feed them what they want to hear. It doesn’t matter whether or not Fast and Furious was a sting operation like every other used by our Justice department and police departments nation-wide to determine who was behind a specific crime, or in this case the sale of guns to gun cartels in Mexico. It interfered with a major, and very profitable, corporate sales strategy and it had to be taken down. The GOP succeeded in demonizing something that should have enjoyed the full support of the American people. Except, perhaps, junkies eager to get another fix. The GOP was highly successful in diverting attention from the applications for tax exempt status that some Tea Party groups submitted, and blamed the administration for catching their wrongdoing. They accused President Obama of ineptitude over the tragedy in Benghazi, in spite of a GOP record that included 9/11, 12 attacks against U.S. embassies and consulates, and widespread chaos worldwide.
    How did they succeed? In part, because there are some among us that would believe anything that undermines the credibility and stature of our first African American president, and to deflect attention from their dismal record on the very issues they are blaming Democrats for. Their tactics may not resonate at a national level, and I expect them to lose the next president election by a last margin, but they are likely to get control of both chambers of Congress – and keep it – for many years to come.

    • The_Magic_M says:

      Don’t be too sure. Voters weren’t falling for their stuff in 2012 and I think those who are no longer willing to put up with the GOP’s antics are more than willing to vote this year.
      And I think Democrats will also understand that “getting the vote out” isn’t just for Presidential elections.
      The GOP doesn’t have much to run on (other than scary fairy tales of Obamacare and Benghaaaaaazi) and the Dems should capitalize on that.
      So unless we allow people to forget about the shutdown and all the discriminatory and sexist laws Republicans try to pass when in power, there’s a good chance that the belief 2014 will be another 2010 is just like the “Romney landslide” myth.

      • JSquercia says:

        I hope and pray that you are correct .We are paying and will be paying for the rest of the decade a heavy price not getting the vote out in 2010 .

      • plc97477 says:

        The problem is the dems are less likely to vote in midterms for some reason so it is assumed that we will lose votes in 2014. We need to try to get out the vote and make sure that voters are not kept from voting if they want to. Then we can save the senate and maybe take the house.

      • FredAppell says:

        In your own words “don’t be too sure”. Dominick is right, there is more than enough evidence proving that people think the worst about Obama because they want to. There’s no reason at all that we should have lost the congress but somehow we managed to do just that. Lies and innuendo are only effective when people cling to their personal bias and there’s plenty of that to go around.

    • joe schmo says:

      You know, you need to stop using ‘African American’ as an excuse. If the guy would be doing a good job, no one would be complaining no matter who’s camp he/she is in.

      You tell me what this man has been successful at and I will be more than happy to agree. I see nothing of the sort. He has failed miserably at everything he has attempted to do and don’t you dare put the blame on Repubs. HE IS UNWILLING TO WORK WITH THEM and you know it.

      Remember he is supposed to be a leader. Internationally and at home, he has not pulled us together rather he has only ripped our nation apart. One way in which he has done that is by separation. Pitting one side against the other. Sadly, he uses race as a precipice for his actions. Not a good way to run a country is it?

      -Obamacare is a failure, extension upon extension/website,outsourcing
      -Internationally he is a weakling (from Bengahzi to Putin)
      -He has decimated our military (I am anti-war/pro military) watch ‘Captain Phillips’ do you want us to end up like the Somalian Pirates? Our military in that film makes me proud…..
      -He keeps adding more taxes and more taxes.
      -His energy policies are a sham. Solyndra (wasted money), pipeline? Gulf explosion (could this have been a ploy)
      -Unwillingness to work as a team player rather works alone like an imperialist leader.
      -Downgrade of our country.

      Come on…..are you all serious. When will you admit that he was a BIG mistake…. I guess when we are starving to death then you will wake up and smell the coffee…..but you won’t be able to buy it because we can’t afford it. LOL

      Worst president in my lifetime…..

      • elw says:

        Taken right from the FOX New’s daily script.

      • The_Magic_M says:

        > If the guy would be doing a good job, no one would be complaining

        That’s such a childish fallacy it doesn’t even merit a response.

        Which President had 100% approval rating “in your lifetime”? Name one.

        > Remember he is supposed to be a leader.

        And lead he did. He forced Congress to cave on their ridiculous and dangerous stunt of “taking the economy hostage”. He called their bluff and won. That’s “leading” in my book.

        > Internationally he is a weakling (from Bengahzi to Putin)

        Remind me again how Russia did not invade Georgia under Bush. Or how 9/11 (Remember 9/11? That tiny incident where a lot less people died than in Benghaaaaaazi?) did not happen because Bush was “not a weakling”.

        > Our military in that film makes me proud

        Yeah, just like in “Battleship” when they killed those super-advanced aliens using a decommissioned ship. Like Bush taught them to, right?

        > He keeps adding more taxes and more taxes.


        > Unwillingness to work as a team player

        Ah, sorry, I thought you expected him to be a strong leader?

        > Worst president in my lifetime

        Yup, your rant sounds like you’re less than 5 years old.

        • joe schmo says:

          Ridiculously ignorant, and void of forethought. Typical Liberal. I don’t think you are stupid or immature…. I do believe, however; that you have tunnel vision.

          Ah, approval rating you must be one of the 38%. Below Carter, seriously!

          Congress! He doesn’t even work with the Conservatives in Congress. No wonder they react the way they do.

          Well, at least nothing was swept under the rug and concealed and lied about like this guy does time and time again. He’s like the Cheshire Cat, smiling largely while lying through his teeth.

          The ship comment, can’t wait to see what you do when we no longer have a military…and we are no better than the Somalian Pirates. Keep it up.

          Taxpayers pay for the health insurance welfare as well. So the entire cost of the individual mandate tax is still $15,000 per year for families to start, and rising rapidly. That adds up to the largest tax
          increase on the middle class in world history.

          Despite fiscal cliff deal, taxes to rise for most Americans

          Read more:

          Could go on and on and on…… We loose the middle class and we are done!

          Leadership and team player go hand in hand. Goes right along with reaching across the aisle and diplomacy. Neither of which this man has.

          5 year old! LOL Yah right. The typical democrat rant which gives me the impression that you have no where else to go with this….

          • Lisztman says:

            Your take on “Obamacare” is pitiful and straight out of Fox “News”.

            “Congress! He doesn’t even work with the Conservatives in Congress. No wonder they react the way they do.” … Ahem. At the first several deadlines for the Debt limit, he acceded, to some extent, to Congress. At the point of the one last fall, I have no problem with his having said, “Enough is enough. YOU (the Congressional right wing) do something in return.”

            Before you go off on another rant, may I remind you that the debt ceiling has only to do with paying the bills, when they come due, for monies already spent by Congress. Not spent “by the President.”

            “We loose [sic] the middle class and we are done.” If we lose the middle class you have only the 1% to blame.

            Go on, schmuck, I mean, schmo. Bury yourself deeper.

          • joe schmo says:

            You all are just unwilling to recognize what a flop Obamacare is. Unfortunately, you would rather hang onto the sinking ship than come up with alternatives to come back up to the surface. We have heard story upon story from friends (not only Conservatives) who have lost their insurance and who were paying lower premiums. Not only are they burdened with higher payments, they cannot pick their doctors and the doctors, we won’t even go there. I know many who have either retired or are accepting payments without the use of an insurance and you want to tell me Obamacare is working? It’s unveiling was deplorable. I believe there was a bit of a silent rebellion in the sign-up. The numbers were a joke. So don’t tell me that it is working. It is another Government debacle. It’s not Fox news, we see it around us.

            Regarding the debt ceiling:

            “Clearly, raising the debt ceiling does not in and of itself increase
            the debt or grow the deficit,” said Steve Ellis, vice president of
            Taxpayers for Common Sense. “But to say that it doesn’t allow for a dime
            of increased spending is misleading. When the credit card company
            increases my credit limit, it doesn’t increase my debt load or even my
            spending. But it certainly facilitates it. The same is true with the
            debt ceiling.”

            How many times can you raise the debt until you no longer can pay it off. You can’t keep buying and buying off your credit card increasing your credit limit and never pay it off….. And that is what is happening. If we paid 11 mil a month from here on out….we wouldn’t be able to pay the debt off we now have for 4700 years. Yes the spending has been spent but it is up to Obama as a leader to put a curb on it. Raising it makes no sense at all. You can tell me what you want. Government spending is way out of control. No wonder Congress is bulking. Do you even think about your kids or grand kids? Geez, the debt is already Ginormous.

            May I remind you that 1%. The new 1% are Liberals. They do not create jobs, they do not innovate anything rather they sit by their computers making money off our losses.. You know, your friend Soros….. He is one of the worst.

            ‘Why are so many rich people liberals?

            This is a good question considering that socialism is geared toward attacking “the rich” and maligning the accumulation of private wealth.

            Yet today in America, the majority of rich people statistically are not Republicans but are liberal Democrats, many of them on the far left. They live in places like New York and Hollywood and San Francisco and Chicago and Silicon Valley, hardly the home turf of conservatism. Most of the richest congressional districts are represented by Democrats. Many of the richest people in the US congress are liberals.

            And the three richest men in America – Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and Larry Ellison – all are liberals.

            This runs contrary to the media fiction that the rich people in America are Republicans. This fiction is repeated over and over in the media in order to win over ignorant people to the Democrat party. And there are plenty of them, mostly among the angry, envious poor; in the agitated and shrinking middle class; and in the perpetually enraged labor union movement.’

            You might be interested in reading the rest?


            Worst thing of all is the fact that they are using you to become rich. LOL….. It is a fact that the middle class is shrinking. Historically, when that happens you have upheaval.

            No thank you, I will continue to help dig us out of the hole that was largely created by the Liberals (…and Bush was no better than your side). Not all rules and regulations in this country were made solely for you. So you can stay in that hole if you like but it will only keep pulling you down. Or you can join the fight and again try to make this country stronger, and that involves all of us not just your side.

          • 4sanity4all says:

            The web site was frustrating, but ultimately, it did work. I was able to sign up. I now have access to the best hospital around here, as well as great doctors associated with it. I have made appointments, and have gotten to see doctors quickly. My care has been covered, and I only pay a small co-payment, or I pay nothing, for routine physicals and tests. My monthly premium is a bit higher than my old policy, but it is paying for my doctor visits and medicine (generics are no cost to me) unlike my pre-ACA policy. I used to worry about getting sick and going bankrupt, but now I have an ACA policy, and I no longer worry. I have not experienced any of the negatives you insist are happening. And I have heard of no real person who has, either.

          • Independent1 says:

            You’re right, the websites are working much better now and by the end of February 4 million have signed up. And what’s even better is that with all these folks being covered, Obamacare is freeing up household incomes such that people with Obamacare are spending more.

            See this if you haven’t already:

            Obamacare boosting household income and spending


          • joe schmo says:

            This thing should never ever have started out badly. If this would have happened to some well know company in this COUNTRY (it was outsourced). It would have been working inside out and upside down before it was presented to the public. Otherwise heads would have rolled.

            We know of plenty. You must be one of those ‘on the verge of poverty so you get it cheaper’ policy holders.

            Oh, and remember….we have to sign it to find out what’s in it……Smart huh?

          • charleo1 says:

            Stop! I can’t stand to see even a smart aleck, tool of the monied elite continue to embarrass himself, line after ridiculous line, defending the indefensible. Think about it. You already told us you weren’t rich. So what was the the last thing a Republican politician suggested, that didn’t involve pouring money into the hands at the very top of the income scale? And, didn’t leave it entirely up to them, that tiny minority, to decided how, or if, they were going to use that extra money to improve your lot? Or, just stick the unearned windfall into their pockets? So far, they’ve decided to go with sticking the record profits in their pockets option. And that, combined with the lowest tax rates in 80 years, have the top 500 companies, sitting on 3 trillion in cash. That’s pure profit. How many more trillions do you suppose they’ll need to make an investment that might produce more jobs here? Four trillion? Five? More? You probably know this, as you are truly a remarkable cheerleader for all things Right Wing. The more radical the better. I would expect you know how close to pay parity with third world workers with no civil rights, American workers need to come, before they stop outsourcing? Or, are our choices from here on out going to be be, yes, we can have a job, or we can have a doctor, but more, and more of us are not going to be able to have both. And, you’re good with that? Record profits on one end. Sick people with nothing but an emergency room on the other. And you don’t see where all of this will effect you one day? Or if it does, you’re good with that too? Just balance the budget anyway you see fit. And, don’t you dare raise a dime of taxes on the wealthy, or corporate profits! In fact I’d be honored, if you’d send the entire bill to me, the Middle Class working stiff.

          • joe schmo says:

            Your rhetoric jabbering makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. So what’s your point?

            Again, you clutch to the emotional rather than weigh out the facts. You assume that every Conservative is wealthy (I’m not) and stands up for the mighty corporation who outsources and amasses a fortune in doing so. Sucking it away from the rightly American. Well, what do you think started that? The high cost of wages and the unions sent them scrambling. The same, now corrupt, unions who at one time sought to end child labor and implement a fair wage have overstepped their bounds. I think you need to read the link I provided above. You will learn a lot about your sides politics. Like I said before it is partly the wealthy selfish LIBS that are causing our demise. So stop solely blaming the Corps.

            We’re good with not having a job or doctor? Bullsh*% .. We’re OK with the poor and disabled getting nothing. Bullsh*% again.(The Christian middle class donates more time and money than any other group) We hate the environment and want nothing more than to pollute the earth with our filthy oil incentives. Get real. What you are stating is very unAmerican and full of your side feeding you bullsh*%. Where did you come up with these ludicrous assumptions?

            NO MORE TAXES for anyone! We need to eliminate that God for saken IRS and implement a flat tax. This way everyone will pay their fair share. The poor (and they need to prove they are) should work for the money they receive) Not only will they learn a trade it will give them more self respect. We need to take care of the disabled. No one is begrudging them of that.

            The Government seems to want more and more and more money from it’s people. They mismanage, misspend and spend frivolously. Needs to end.

            You can blab on and on all you like. But if we don’t start getting our you know what together, it will be bye bye USA.

            If things are really going that well, you need to ask yourself a few questions:

            Is the economy flourishing?
            Is the GDP still within reach?

            Is it easy to find a job with pay that is exceptable.

            Is the dollar strong?
            Is everyone happy with Obamacare and is everyone signed up and paying a fair amount?
            Are we still innovating like we used to?
            Are our students number one in the world or are they last on the list?
            Do we accept each others religions?
            Are you proud to be American or do you no longer care?
            Do we get along or is this president dividing us?

            You see this nation knows no other way than to be well off. If we no longer have money and start to ‘redistribute the wealth’ we will become no better than the way Communist Russia used to be. You definitely will have a divided class. The upper wealthy government man and the lowly citizen. If that is your wish, it most likely will come true. But just remember when you do that, there will be no extra money for the environment, the poor, the disabled. All those you harbor to protect will be out of luck because there will be no money to share….. You can call me a smart alec all you like but the facts are the facts. I know all too well about Communism because my family, who are LEGAL immigrants came from it. Why do you think I hate it so much. The reason I react the way I do is because I see it coming in the back door.

          • charleo1 says:

            It’s not the unions Joe. $60.00 a month/ 6 days a
            week, no benefits, is the competition. And it’s not
            the President dividing the Country. Fox , and the extremist’s propaganda is dividing the U.S. And, you’re an apologist, for all that. For people that have no sense of Country. Blind to the fact, that, if we don’t wake up we’ll have future generations of Americans living under corporate totalitarianism. And you see very little outside that propaganda they’re feeding you. I read your posts. The vast majority of the time, you’re fixated on Obama. The Right Wing media
            is just the same. They were blaming Obama
            yesterday, for that jet liner falling out of the sky!
            The ass that called Obama, “a sub-human mongrel,” got no argument from the Right. In fact, a Congressman thought so highly of Ted
            Nugent, he personally invited him along, to hear the, “mongrel’s,” State of the Union Address.
            But you’re sure it’s Obama that’s dividing us?
            You scare me Joe. You and those like you. That can see nothing beyond that ignorant Right Wing claptrap about big government. I’ll tell you right
            now, it’s not the government. Governments were, 20th century. Government is not going to set up a regime, like Soviet Russia. In the 21st century the corporations will fill the seats of power, as they are doing now. You mentioned
            low wages, low GDP, proliferate and irresponsible spending. This is just the beginning
            of a corporate controlled economy. The U.S. government only works for the people about 10% of the time, now. And, what are they telling you? Come,help us bring down this big bloated, unconstitutional, evil monstrosity. It’s too powerful, and It’s robbing you of your money, or liberty. Putting your kids in debt. Whatever pushes your buttons. For some it’s the government that’s letting in the dirty mud races pour across our borders, fouling our White culture. Even though the vast majority
            of those who come here illegally, across our Southern boarder, work for giant ag. hospitality,
            and construction corporations. For others, it may
            be the legalized abortion, or fag marriages, that gets their motors running. It doesn’t matter to them why you want the government torn down, Only that you be convinced to do so. Come Joe, help us take back your Country back from that illegitimate Communist, that hates America. And is setting up a Communist welfare state! And I’m emotional? Look, there are two powers in this Country today. Corporations, and the Federal Government. The State Governments are weak, and half of them are broke, and bought out at this point, and offer no resistance. The Federal Government is the only entity left to prevent a wholesale take over. If you want to know what that looks like, take a good look at the working conditions of their labor overseas. Especially when a Centralized top down, non-democratic Governments, like China, are in control. Look at the mess the Dole Corporation, and others were allowed to make in Central, and South America.
            in the 50’s. This is made up Left Wing garbage?
            The working conditions? I’m making that all up
            too? What are you really working towards Joe? What are they asking you to help them do here? What do they tell you the term free market means? Does that definition they’re giving you, resemble anything like what U.S. Corporations have set up where they’ve been given a free hand? Do you believe Capitalist are small, “d,”
            democrats at heart? Or, do they really prefer a
            labor force with no Rights at all? Certainly they
            show their hatred of the ability of workers to unite, and demand better wages, healthcare, and safer working conditions. They call that
            Communism. When they love Communism. They, in truth, much prefer that workers have no Rights at all. No vote, and no say. What are you demanding, and insisting? For them to have their way here as well? For what purpose, Joe, and to what ends? To destroy the one institution where we do have a say. So we are ruled by another, where we have none? Until it’s necessary to amass in a town square somewhere to be shot by a corporate security apparatus. Because we no longer have any say, by any other means?

          • joe schmo says:

            No sense of Country?….LOL, Really! And just who do you think garners to change the Country and the Constitution. Certainly not the Conservatives.

            I never said eliminate the Unions. I just think they have gone beyond the breech. I think there interference in established successful businesses is not conducive to a free enterprise system specifically if the pay is fair and benefits are substantial. After all, isn’t it up to the organization and the people working there whether or not the Union should come in. I think so. Far to many times the Unions try to coerce a company to go their way. I feel that is wrong. Some employees are happy to have a job nowadays. VW plant for example. At the moment, the justification for high wages, during a down turn in the economy is outrageous. Their should be some preamble in the Unions bylaws that states that when the economy is distressed wages may go down just a bit. Then taxes need to be cut, cut, cut so that people can breath a sigh of relief until the worst passes. Remember you want to stimulate the economy. That is not being done.

            Yes, the President has something to do with this divide. I have never in my life had a president that belittles either party. He constantly bashes the GOP and it’s members. A mature president would look beyond the criticism and handle things more diplomatically. That is one of the main problems with Democrats, Whereas; Conservatives laugh at their shortfalls, Liberals can’t take the heat.

            As for Fox news. The right has never had spokespeople. For decades we had to put up with Liberal views. Now that we do, you all can’t handle it. Sorry. but sometimes you Dems live solely by emotions instead of by your wits. Like ‘we have to pass it so that we can find out what’s in it. Geez. Not a very bright statement was it?

            Your comment about Obama being a ‘mongrel.’ That is a bit harsh but I think you hold onto Obama and his illusions too tightly. That is what many Conservatives think. Remember, at the beginning some Conservative/moderates did vote for him. But they found out he was not a God just a man with faults and differences no better than any other human being. He can and has made mistakes. I think the big problem for you is the fact that he is the first black president. You really wanted him to succeed as we all did. Nothing against him but he is a failure as a president.

            Yes, the Corporations have become too big for their britches and we can agree something needs to be done with the outsourcing. But don’t forget, there are also very large Corporations that are affiliated with Democrats. Specifically….the film industry of which I have been a big part. They are one of the worst offenders of outsourcing. So when you blame Corporations you might as well look in your own camp….and what about George Soros who is making money through your pain. So don’t forget to add your Corps in there including the nonprofits and Climate change group who have made TONS of money off you all…..

            You have a misconception of Communism. My family escaped this ruthless regime. One family member has stated that what we are getting through Liberal dominance is not unlike Marxist ideology. I’m sorry, but I believe people who have experienced a certain way of life because they have lived it.

            I know how much you all hate Rand Paul, but I really think what he has said here is very true and appropriate with regards to poorer areas in this country. I think we can all agree that not helping the poor is very unAmerican.

            Sen. Rand Paul, Gina Loudon at CPAC 2014:

            “I tell people it’s the ‘big heart, small brain syndrome.’ Liberals have big hearts, but they’re not using all their brain capacity,” explained the senator in his exclusive interview with WND at CPAC, the annual convention for conservatives, just outside of Washington.

            Paul indirectly referred to the famous definition of insanity as trying something again and again while expecting a different result.

            “I don’t know,” he said. “Liberals don’t seem to get the point that if you’re trying something and the objective evidence shows that it’s not working, why not try something different?”

            The Kentuckian used the example of “what we’ve done for the people of Appalachia in my state. For 40 years, we’ve been sending money there but it’s still very poor.

            “So, what I’ve been saying is, ‘Why don’t we do something different? Why don’t we dramatically cut the taxes in Eastern Kentucky, in Detroit and other places that are suffering?”

            Paul explained how tax deductions are particularly effective in helping people “because they go directly to people who have businesses and create jobs.”

            We need more out of the box thinking like this. It is certainly the Conservative way to be problem solvers…..

            Yes, the Ag community is very guilty of letting in the droves of Hispanics. The government in places like California should have re-kick started the Bracero program. You can read about it here if you don’t know anything about it. CA is a disaster. Tooo many immigrants here. Tooo many know how to work the system. Tooo many taking the jobs Americans want to do. How do I know this, I think you can guess.

            I know all about immigration. My family immigrated to the US LEGALLY. Remember it is you who refers to Obama as ‘Mongrel’ and the Hispanics as ‘dirty mud-races.’ Not me. Do you really think it is fair to only allow undereducated individuals into this country. We have a family member who has a PHD in organic chemistry. In fact, they have found a cure in the lab for Melanoma. This person would like to do a 2 year research residency in the US, and is going about it the correct way. Can’t tell you how difficult this is for someone who would only add to our Country. You only want the Hispanics here because you know damn well they will vote Democrat. Is that fair?

            Remember, experience is more important than the written word. Because writing can be misconstrued… You see, I don’t live solely by Fox News, I know many of these things because a family member or I have experienced events throughout their lifetime.

            I think your justification with regards to Corporations is a bit extreme and only targeted at the GOP. Their are many variables involved. Not only outsourcing, tax benefits or government influence. Again, you may add to your list the Hollywood elites, non-profits and environmental issues which do the same thing. So in reality there is no win win situation here for either side. I think Rand Paul is dead on. For this to work you all have to give a little for us to do the same. Forcing something on someone unwillingly only leads to descent and retaliation. Isn’t diplomacy a better card to deal? The cards are now in your hand. You all need to decide whether we fold or not?

          • charleo1 says:

            Well Sir, you took the time to read what I wrote.
            Which tells me you are a respectful person. Of
            course I realize you don’t agree with most of it,
            or any of it. Which is your Right. My hope is, that
            maybe some event will change your perception.
            Just to clear this up, I didn’t call Obama a Sub-human Mongrel, Ted Nugent did. And I would
            think the Republican Congressman that would
            associate himself with such trash would be just
            as big an embarrassment to Conservatives like
            yourself, as it was to me as an American. And ought to set off a few red flags. We’re too good of a Country for that. The Congressman evidently doesn’t know, or doesn’t care, he represents to the world, everything this Country is supposed to stand for, and stand aganist. And drags us all into the gutter. So, speaking my peace on that.
            I’ll thank you for a good exchange of ideas.

          • iamproteus says:

            “Paul indirectly referred to the famous definition of insanity as trying something again and again while expecting a different result.”

            Do you mean like wasting taxpayer time and money by trying 50 (that’s FIFTY) times to repeal or defund the ACA that the polls tell us is favored by the vast majority of voters?
            Is that what Paul is talking about? Paul is a fool and YOU are a fool for listening to him! I’ve read all your posts on this thread and find them to be almost without exception little more than grade A, #1, first class, right wing B.S. The last two paragraphs in particular were especially nauseating. Henceforth, I will make it a point to refrain from reading your spin, lies and innuendo. If you truly believe what you post here, I pity you. If you don’t, then I can only say this: May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your crotch and the bird-of-paradise fly up your nose…..and take a big slimy dump! Oh, and BTW, have a nice day!

          • joe schmo says:

            I’m a fool. OK. Last two paragraphs, oh well…… I say that about the written word because so many people take from the media and television rather than from their own life experiences. I learned early in my life (because my family is from Europe) that American media does not always tell the truth. I take from everything and I then come to my own conclusions. Sorry if that irritates you.

            Problem is you would rather I shut up and go off into oblivion. You want me to just to put my tail between my legs and walk away. You see, that is the problem. We as Conservatives can’t because we are also Americans and we hate the direction this Country is going. I do think we have a right to speak our mind just like you do. You think you have all the rights to do and say whatever you damn well feel like it and you expect us to put up with it like we have done for years. If the shoe was on the other foot, believe me, there would be rioting in the streets, explosions, sit-ins, etc… Yet you preach CoExist in the same breath. Go figure. Doesn’t make sense. Conservatives are not that radical but we do believe in America, stand by the flag and stand for the ideals that have made this Country so great. You wish to change it, well we still live here to and we don’t want to follow your lead…..

            What is disconcerting is the fact that there is more of a divide between us than there ever was. Whether you care or not, that is quite dangerous. Who do you think is creating that divide? ….and don’t you dare blame the GOP. It takes two to tango…..

            Good day to you too…

          • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon says:

            ” And it’s not the President dividing the Country. It’s Fox, and the extremist’s propaganda, that is dividing the U.S.”
            I do not even reside in the States but had to laugh at that one. As I understand it Fox, on a good night, draws 6 – 7 million viewers. The population of the US is close to 320 million. Over 130 million voted in the 2012 election.
            It is quite amusing to see the presence Fox has in the mind of your average “liberal.”
            I encounter here in Asia. Lefties, even the Aussie and Kiwi variety, reach a point in debates I have with them about America where they just start repeating ‘Fox! Fox News! O’Reilly, it’s hate speech!

          • charleo1 says:

            I’m glad you’re amused. No really, I’m glad you are paying attention, and having conversations with people who live in other parts of the world. But, if you hear this about Fox,on a regular basis, perhaps you should consider there is something to it. If America is your native Country,you know Americans continue to be irresponsibly apathetic when it comes to politics. So the core audiences of cable news in general, are going to be a small fraction of the total population. But, here’s the deal. There is a much larger number that tune in on an occasional basis, which the numbers don’t reflect. And the Fox numbers our usually twice that of their competition. As older audiences, (over 50,) tend to watch cable news in greater numbers, their preferred choice is Fox. Which is fine, except Fox is not actually a news channel. It’s an entertainment/propaganda arm of the Republican Party. It’s director Roger Ails, is a former insider of the GOP, that worked for Nixon, and it’s owner,Rupert Murdoch, is a well known, corporatist ideologue, who uses his phony news channel to advocate, and advance his own personal political views. Which are paramount to all other activities undertaken, including informing his audience of the facts. Making sure
            they all agree on the fundamentals. Which have
            included such things as Barack Obama, “may
            not be a citizen.” Or, “The poor in America are
            better of than the wealthy in other Countries.”
            “We have the highest debt of any Country in the
            world, and we are close to becoming Greece.”
            Then run a piece on Greece’s debt problem, never mentioning Greece has an economy roughly the size of Kansas. It’s capacity, and intent to misdirect, misinform, and manipulate
            it’s audience is unparalleled in the era of the
            internet, and satellite programming. Of course
            there will be the back at you. That other Liberal
            channels are doing likewise. However, that’s
            patently untrue, and by a very wide margin.
            And it has everything to do with dealing in facts.
            In Fox World, the facts are used, as tools. If they
            support the point Fox wants to make, they use
            them, If not, they feel perfectly free to omit them.
            Leaving the viewer agreeing with Mr. Ails, and
            Mr. Murdoch. But not equipped to make informed decisions as a voter, or citizen. So, you’ve heard it before. You’re hearing it again.

          • joe schmo says:

            Keep it up. Other Countries no longer have respect for us like they used to. Liberals have had their voice for decades. Now that Conservatives have a voice they are black balled.

            LOL, I have family in Europe. My parents immigrated to America, LEGALLY. My family lived under Communism which they hate and see coming in the back door. I also know all about European socialism. I have traveled extensively. America is its own unique entity. Don’t want to be like Europe. Don’t want to end up a Communist, Don’t want to become Fascist or any other suppressing kind of Country. I just want to be American and to believe in what I want. I want low taxes, innovation and some form of Capitalism to thrive. I believe in the Constitution and God.

            Good always over rules evil. So chant your chant all you want, but remember in the end, morality always wins…… and the Good guy rides away….

      • Sand_Cat says:

        You know, you need to shut up and go away until you can make some sort of rational and relevant comment. If the article excuses Obama on the basis of being black, it appears only right-wing lunatics can spot it, just like a lot of other things.
        You’re just an off-topic, off-reality moron who should spend his time getting patted on the back at far, far-right wingnut websites instead of wasting the time of rational people.

        • joe schmo says:

          Just wait Sand_Cat your day is coming when ‘we ain’t got nuttin.’ The dollar will soon devaluate to nada…. Maybe then you will get your head out of the sand.

          The way your side keeps the masses suppressed is by using the ‘race’ card. Get off it! Doesn’t work because there are different ethnic groups as well on the Conservative side that have more common sense than you.

          Your idea of ‘relevant’ is to agree with you. God forbid if we don’t.

          Trust me, you people are far from rational. You are more like seals swimming with the sharks….

          You might ask yourself. Are things that great? Specifically referring to economics? Their is a huge problem when you start to have a huge divide between the classes……it always ends up in strife.

          • Lynda Groom says:

            Joe schmo, please look up ‘monetary sovereignty’ for a better understanding of the realities of our currency and the workings of economy.

          • joe schmo says:

            Here is what I think about your ‘monetary sovereignty.’

            Stimulus and response. That’s the easiest way of summing this up. When politicians steal, and there are no consequences, they’re going to keep stealing.

            Cyprus proved this point handily. The government froze bank accounts for everyone in the country (of course, the big bosses got their money out in time). And yet, there was no violent revolution in the streets. People just accepted it.

            Poland nationalized pensions. Argentina imposed severe capital controls. The French are taxing everything under the sun. The US government was caught red-handed spying on… everyone.

            And yet, there have been ZERO consequences. Citizens have been trained like caged animals to simply roll over and acquiesce. I imagine the politicians are thinking, “Holy Cow! I can’t believe we just got away with that…”

            It only reinforces their behavior. With each destructive act, they become more bold, more brazen in dismantling our liberties, confident that they can continue to act with total impunity.

            In 2013, the collective net worth of the 300 richest people in the world grew to $3.7 trillion, 16.5% higher than 2012. Corporate profits were also at record levels.

            Fortune 500s, the super-rich, rich, and even upper middle class have largely been beneficiaries of the central bank induced asset bubble.

            But everyone else is getting hammered by inflation… watching their savings and livelihoods melt away before their very eyes.

            A report from the US Census Bureau this year showed that median household income has declined for five straight years. And those living in poverty, using food stamps, or receiving unemployment benefits remained at record high levels in 2013.

            Meanwhile, the wealth gap has grown to its largest since 1929– the year of that fateful financial collapse.

            It’s time for a reality check: something is wrong with this picture.

            We’ve become desensitized to everything. “Unprecedented” monetary policy. Record debts. Massive wealth gap. Government surveillance. Theft. Deceit. Inflation.
            In 2013, headlines like “the US deficit is only $700 billion” were actually considered good news.

            And markets have given all of these fiascos a pass– from the government shutdown to record-shattering debt levels to downgrades by the rating agencies. AA became the new AAA in 2013.

            Nobody cares that the US government ‘borrowed’ a record amount of money from the Social Security Trust Fund. Or that they spent a record amount just to pay interest on the debt at a time when interest rates are at all-time lows.

            Rather, they just keep investing… without a single thought to the possible risks. The fear of missing the big boom is greater than the fear of losing money. But then again, it’s not their money at risk. It’s yours.

            We’ve become so accustomed to getting screwed, it’s just par for the course now. We sit quietly and wait for the next round of beatings, shrugging it all off as the new normal.

            This isn’t normal. This is not how a free society is supposed to function.

            A free society does not spy on its own people, threaten them with drone assassination, and award an unelected banking elite with supreme authority to rob purchasing power from the masses in favor of a bubbly stock market.

            And despite the conventional wisdom, this is not a consequence-free environment.

          • Lynda Groom says:

            Nice laundry list you’ve got there. FYI, I too share some concern very same issues you’ve brought up, but not too the negative extreme you are positing.

            However, you started your screech with yet another false remarks ‘Monetary sovereignty’ is not mine, it is the system we have. If you look into the basic’s of it you’ll find that many of your issues can be solved…assuming there is political will and a functioning government willing to tackle difficult issues.

          • joe schmo says:

            Functioning Government? Where?

          • Lynda Groom says:

            Functioning government from city, county, state and federal is all about us if only one takes the time to see it. However, at the federal level the problem is not a lack of a functioning government at the institutional level….but the leadership (or lack of) in the congressional part is clearly disfunctional. Appaently we do agree a little. Who knew?

      • Dominick Vila says:

        1. Healthcare reform (ACA)
        2. Stimulus package, cash for clunkers, subsidies for appliance replacements, help to first time home buyers
        3. Saved two major industrial giants (GM&Chrysler)
        4. Turned around an economy on the verge of collapse, record bankruptcies/foreclosures, and jobs losses in spite
        of obstructionism
        5. Wall Street reform
        6. Recapitalized banks
        7. Created more jobs in 5 years than his predecessor did in 8
        8. Ended the war in Iraq
        9. Ordered the raid that brought justice to Osama bin Laden
        10. Ordered the troop withdrawal from Afghanistan
        11. Ordered attacks against Al Qaeda safe havens in Pakistan
        12. Helped topple Moammar Kadaffi, and ordered the raid that led to the capture of Al Libby in Tripoli.
        13. Reversed Bush’s torture and rendition policies to restore our international credibility and abide by the Constitution.
        14. Tightened sanctions on Iran and negotiated the discontinuance of nuclear weapons development in that country
        15. Negotiated the closure and surrender of chemical weapons by Syria
        16. Repealed DADT and championed marriage equality.
        17. Lilly Ledbetter (equal pay for women)
        18. Fought for lower student loan interest rates
        19. Coordinated activities to solve the global financial crisis
        20. Championed the Veterans Program Improvements Act of 2011
        21. Championed and signed credit card reforms
        22. Nominated two excellent candidates to fill Supreme Court vacancies
        23. Invested in renewable technology and focused on alternate energy source development, while promoting fossil fuel exploration and development in the USA
        24. Expanded hate crime protections
        25. Improved school nutrition program
        26. Expanded stem cell research
        27. Terminated the unnecessary F22 project at considerable savings to tax payers
        28. Proposed investment in infrastructure to address national concerns and create jobs (killed by GOP)
        29. Proposed Veterans Jobs Act (killed by GOP)
        30. Proposed expansion of Reagan’s gun control act (killed by GOP)
        31. Proposed immigration reform (opposed by most House Republicans and white supremacists)
        32. Reduced civil servant workforce to reduce government spending
        33. The effect of his policies contributed to revenue increases and lower deficits (MEDICARE is an example of this)
        34. No foreign terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, and reduced attacks against U.S. diplomatic missions from 12 to 1.
        35. Is pushing for a higher minimum wage.

        This short sample of policy accomplishments may mean nothing to you, but for most of us it is nothing short of outstanding. With the possible exception of Lincoln, FDR and Clinton, Barack Obama is the best president in U.S. history. That is why he was re-elected by a comfortable majority.

        • Independent1 says:

          Nice list!! Great post!!

        • joe schmo says:

          1. Healthcare – so far it has been a complete farce with sign ups (drum role here) by many people who want free healthcare under medical. People are paying more for premiums, cannot choose doctors, cannot go back to their own doctors. Doctors are quitting or retiring. Companies are going out of business or selling out because they can no longer afford the coverage for their employees. The website was a complete mess. Typical unorganized Liberal shortfall. European model. Why did so many Europeans and Canadians come over here for QUALITY healthcare. The healthcare they were not receiving at home.

          2.Stimulus has never worked and ‘cash for clunkers’ was a joke and a failure.

          3.GMC and Chrysler – why should we the people bail out a private company if they don’t have the balls to cut costs to stay afloat. We are just enabling them.

          4.Turned around a country on the verge of collapse. Well the bankruptcies are still occurring. Companies are still closing down and/or cutting costs. More people are getting laid off. My spouse is a good example of one of those individuals who is no longer looking for work.

          “Over the past three years, ‘deep poverty’ has reached its highest level on record,” the report said. A footnote noted that a household living in “deep poverty” is defined as one that “makes less than 50 percent of the poverty line.” (The report isn’t the first to use the term “deep poverty” — other researchers have as well.)

          5.Wall street reform. Nothing is set in stone unless you enforce it. You might want to read this:

          6.Recapitalized banks: Read the above article….

          7.Created more jobs.

          According to Mort Zuckerman, a stunning 88% of jobs created in 2013 are “part-time.” In case you were wondering if this was “historic,” yeah, yeah it is.

          While food stamp recipients have doubled since 2008, poverty is the worst it’s been since the 60s, and the number of ‘disability’recipients is going through the roof, the economy continues to splutter in terms of creating full-time jobs able to support families. This, in turn, generates more government dependency, which require taxes to pay for it. These taxes harm private job creation.

          Maybe Americans will finally get fed up with Obamanomics and vote for the proven way of generating wealth and jobs — free economy. Until then, there’s always McDonald’s.

          This one smug sentence alone is amazing in its confidence and deceit. Let’s break it down: — “I will … create new jobs … ”

          Politicians always say that, but this president says it especially often. Do voters not know that government has no money of its own, so when politicians “create” jobs, they take money from the private sector, the only group that creates real jobs?

          8. Ended the war in Iraq. I truly think it was just about over anyway.

          9. Osama bin Laden; I believe that the military had their eyes on Osama way before Obama was in office. No different than Bush and Blair catching and assassinating Saddam Hussein…

          10. Ordered the troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. I agree with this one. It needs to happen.

          11. Ordered attacks against al Qaeda safe havens in Pakistan. New one on me.

          12. Helped topple Moammar Kadaffi.

          Reason: According to more than a few observers, Gadhafi’s plan to quit selling Libyan oil in U.S. dollars – demanding payment instead in gold-backed “dinars” (a single African currency made from gold) – was the real cause. The regime, sitting on massive amounts of gold, estimated at close to 150 tons, was also pushing other African and Middle Eastern governments to follow suit.

          And it literally had the potential to bring down the dollar and the world monetary system by extension, according to analysts. French President Nicolas Sarkozy reportedly went so far as to call Libya a “threat” to the financial security of the world. The “Insiders” were apparently panicking over Gadhafi’s plan.

          As you can remember he also wanted to go into Syria. Whatever for? Was it a power grab?

          13.Reversed Bush’s torture and rendition policies to restore our international credibility and abide by the Constitution. This one makes no sense at all.

          14.Tightened sanctions on Iran and negotiated the discontinuance of nuclear weapons development in that country.

          The good in the dribs and drabs reported about this agreement are straightforward:

          a halt of work at Arak, the heavy water reactor that provides Iran a second route to a bomb
          A suspension of installation of new centrifuges
          Intrusive new inspections
          A cap on the stockpile of enriched uranium

          The bad is in what is left out:

          all enrichment
          cooperation in revealing details of Iran’s military work at Parchin
          Construction (though not installation) of new centrifuges
          Reversal of nuclear progress

          Chatting last week with a prominent nuclear expert in Washington (a Democrat), we talked about the problems with the then prospective deal. Ironically, we were in complete agreement:

          Phased deals such as this buy more time for the would-be nuclear state to advance its program while giving key concessions on the sanctions front.
          Sequenced agreements of this kind don’t work (viz: North Korea).
          The administration was too desperate for a deal.
          There will be no phase two.

          In reality, Iran has given nothing of substance other than a “pause” in its program.

          15. Negotiated the closure and surrender of chemical weapons by Syria. Wanted to start a stupid war with Syria which didn’t happen because Putin diplomatically intervened.

          16. Repealed DADT and championed marriage equality. To each his/her own.

          17. Equal pay for women. I’m in agreement on this one that is if all Companies really abide by it.

          18. Fought for lower student loan interest rates. This still does nothing for the price of paying for college. I think I saved a few pennies on my loan. Doesn’t really amount to all that much.

          20.Championed the Veterans Program Improvements Act of 2011.

          While President Obama talked about many initiatives to help veterans during his State of the Union address Tuesday night, veterans’ groups criticized him Wednesday for not demanding a full repeal of cuts to military retirement benefits.

          Read more:
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          21.Championed and signed credit card reforms. Agree on this one.

          22.Nominated two excellent candidates to fill Supreme Court vacancies. Both terrible choices. Very unAmerican nominations.

          23. Invested in renewable technology and focused on alternate energy source development, while promoting fossil fuel exploration and development in the USA. In a word Solyndra. fossil fuel exploration and development…? He has done everything in his power to keep self reliance on fuel off our soil.

          24.Expanded hate crime protections. For minorities only. There are way too many incidents of ‘Polar Bear’ hunting…and seeking out white minorities by ethnics just for sport.

          25. Improved food nutrition program. I’m all for healthy eating but why should we tell anyone how to eat. Michelle’s school nutrition program was a complete flop.

          26. Extended stem cell research. I’m in agreement on this one.

          27. Terminated the unnecessary F22 project at considerable savings to tax payers. Saving so that we can spend more money on social programs? He is just cutting and cutting away at the military until we no longer have one. Do you happen to realize that many of the innovations that we still use today. Ex—Jet engine, digital photography, internet, and GPS. Are we willing to give up innovation entirely for social programs? He cuts and cuts and cuts until there is nothing left.

          28. Proposed investment in infrastructure to address national concerns and create jobs (killed by GOP)’President Obama unveiled a nearly $4 trillion budget proposal for 2015 Tuesday that includes more spending on infrastructure projects, job training and preschool, while cutting taxes for “working Americans” and raising taxes on the wealthy.’ Thank god he killed it. Knowing how he operates most of these things will be like throwing money out the window. Raise taxes on the wealthy, seriously? Again? He needs to get off that one. Don’t you realize the wealthier Americans are the job creators. Take away the influx of money and you get no money for anything.

          29. Proposed Veterans Jobs Act (killed by GOP)There is a $21 billion measure before the Senate designed to expand benefits for veterans that’s being blocked by Republicans because it has not gone through the usual process of being debated and amended in committee before it is brought up for a vote. Republicans are accusing Democrats of “playing politics” with the nation’s veterans. -Steve King

          30.Proposed expansion of Reagan’s gun control act (killed by GOP)Rightly so.Anything that destroys our gun control rights many Conservatives are against.

          31.Proposed immigration reform (opposed by most House Republicans and white supremacists) I see you added ‘white supremacists.’ Shame. My parents were LEGAL immigrants who were not given a free ride ever! They worked hard for everything they have and HAD to learn to speak the language.

          32. Reduced civil servant workforce to reduce government spending. By ‘civil servant’ I am assuming you mean the military. This is one of the most idiotic things this man has ever done. For what, so that we can give more to social programs and environmental causes. More wasteful spending? How will that protect us against the world?

          33.The effect of his policies contributed to revenue increases and lower deficits (MEDICARE is an example of this)

          34.No foreign terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, and reduced attacks against U.S. diplomatic missions from 12 to 1. Hello, he’s a Muslim.

          35.Is pushing for a higher minimum wage. Which he will most likely get. But this will only create more problems because employers will have to let some people go which means the loss of more jobs, less trained, and more poverty.

          As you can see, his track record is not all that great. There is always a consequence for your actions. 38% Worst track record ever….

          • Dominick Vila says:

            Yes, there are consequences to our actions, and nobody knows that better than the GOP. The crusades in Iraq and Afghanistan, justified with lies about WMDs and subtle insinuations of involvement in 9/11 were nothing short of criminal. Delegating national security briefing attendance to subordinates was nothing short of dereliction of duty, and may have contributed to 9/11, although it is not clear W would have understood or reacted to what he was being told. Iran-Contra, the cut and run in Lebanon after more than 200 U.S. Marines were slaughtered near the Beirut airport, the invasion of Grenada, warnings of an imminent invasion of the U.S. by Nicaraguan Contras armed with lethal Chiquita bananas, statements designed to undermine the credibility of the U,S. government, such as calling it the problem rather than the solution, and other ill conceived actions by former Republican Presidents laid the ground work for the international problems, increase in terrorism, and the economic mess we are finally overcoming thanks to President Obama’s leadership and policies.
            ENRON, AIG, Bernie Madoff and all the other examples of economic mismanagement, wrong policy making, and deregulation are manifestations of the failed policies and lack of vision championed by the GOP. The fact that the DOW was at 6,500 points in January 2009, when President Obama was first inaugurated, and that it is now at record highs, is not an accident. It reflects the value of sound policies, improved consumer consumer confidence, and a focus on the future that was lacking when the GOP controlled the White House and both chambers of Congress.
            In addition to moral considerations and health issues for ALL Americans, ACA is likely to reduce medical costs in the USA and lessen the burden borne by our business community, thus making it more competitive. No, we didn’t follow a Western European model. Universal healthcare would have been closer to that model, but even that would not have included making doctors and nurses government employees or the government owning hospitals and labs.
            Ghadafi deserved what he got, if nothing else because of the downing of a Pan Am passenger airliner in the 1980s over Lockerbie.
            Capturing and killing Osama bin Laden was not the same as executing Saddam Hussein. OBL was the mastermind behind the 9/11 attack. His Fatwa left no doubt about his intentions. He ordered the attack and took credit for it. Saddam was a former ally of the USA, who had the full support of the Reagan regime during the Iraq-Iran war, when we provided him with intelligence, weapons, and training. He signed his death sentence when he ignored the contract bids submitted by Cheney and Rumsfeld on behalf of their companies, and gave them instead of French and Russian companies. He was also a convenient excuse to project an illusion of avenging 9/11 when nothing was farther from the truth.

          • 4sanity4all says:

            I would also add, that, if you have traveled in Europe during President Obama’s term, you would find that he is very well respected over there as being a respectful negotiator and thoughtful strategist. Europeans believe that Obama will think first, and then act, and they feel secure knowing that he doesn’t make impulsive, rash decisions that will affect the entire world. They respect him as a rational man who also does not tolerate sabre rattling. They also like the representatives he sends to negotiate.

          • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon says:

            “I would also add, that, if you have traveled in Europe during President Obama’s term, you would find that he is very well respected over there as being a respectful negotiator and thoughtful strategist. ”
            My many European acquaintances were quite excited about our affirmative action president, at first.
            Now they just seem embarrassed about their former enthusiasm.
            I am amazed at the number of expats in my community who refuse to visit or transit through the US after learning of the scope of spying the Obama regime does on visitors and even on US citizens.

          • Dominick Vila says:

            Regarding the effectiveness of the stimulus package and other initiatives put forth by the Obama administration, you may want to ask those whose jobs at GM and Chrysler plants were saved, those working at GM suppliers and dealerships, and the Mayors of cities and towns where GM facilities are, how they feel about the bailout. For that matter, you may want to ask the CEOs, board members, and shareholders whose jobs and investments were saved how they feel about it.
            While you are at it, ask the folks that got tax credits when they replaced old air conditioners and appliances with new, energy efficient ones, how they liked it. You may also want to ask the CEOs of the respective manufacturing plants whether or not that policy had an impact on sales, profits, and the need to hire more workers to keep up with demand.
            You should also ask the thousands of homeowners who benefited, and continue to benefit, from favorable refinancing policies how they like it.
            Don’t forget who announced in 2008 that the U.S. economy was on the verge of collapse, and proposed the TARP to bailout Wall Street. For once, he was right. The U.S. economy was on the verge of collapse, and W’s TARP and Obama’s stimulus package helped prevent the unthinkable, and saved capitalism.

          • joe schmo says:

            You are solely focusing on UNION jobs. What about other private sector jobs? Keep it up and the union people will soon be paying for everything. During a downturn in the economy the Unions should fluctuate the wages so that there is more in the coffers. This country was based on a Capitalistic system. Since when do we have to bail out anyone. Giving to society to help bail them out only induces a lack of incentive. Hard times make you start thinking out of the box to make things work so that they again can be economically stable. If you are unable to do this you simply fail. Obama’s stimulus is way out of line and only pads the pockets of Government/union members.

            What manufacturing. The majority of manufacturing has been outsourced to China, thereby; increasing the unemployment of more people here. Shutting down coal mines and putting restrictions on oil, more job loss.

            Pretty soon, there will be no more money to give, then what? Ruined tax base, ruined small business, big business moves out of the Country through outsourcing, military downsized leaving people who might have stayed in the corps as a profession out of work. Makes us very vulnerable to outsiders. Lowering the standards on SAT, lowering the standards at elementary and secondary schools (remember no child left behind doesn’t leave much room for those kids who happen to excell more). Everyone one is equal and we all live in a hunky dorey world. Hell, I have even heard of businesses loosing business because they were not diverse enough. The list goes on and on and on. Where is your equal opportunity and diversity for EVERYONE. Guess what, it doesn’t exist. It only exists for you and your brethren.

            Just wanted to thank you Liberals for Detroit, New York, California, Washington and Colorado. The biggest loosers in the United States.

            Liberal rule ruined Detroit, New York’s new Mayor Deblastoff is a lulubell, California is full of fruits and nuts with Governor Moonbeam at the helm. He was the ruination of the Golden State the first time around. The state has 4 of the 10 cities in the US on the verge of bankruptcy. So is it next after Detroit? Washington and Colorado well, I guess you can tell what I am going to say about those two. Pot over cigarettes, and I’m not a smoker….Seriously!

            A good example of Liberal thinking:

            The young girl on the news the other day suing her LIBERAL parents. (the reason I know this is that the Dad admitted that he was) She was given everything. As a result, she turned into a disrespectful, spoiled, entitled brat. Her parents gave her everything growing up and let her ‘express herself’ any way she saw fit. She was pissed when her parents cut her off. Geez, isn’t it time to get off mommies teat. Isn’t that the American way not to enable. Enabling is what the Government does with many on welfare. Permanent detention. Typical Liberal mentality. DOES NOT WORK… We’re done thanks to you.

          • Dominick Vila says:

            The only way for sustainable economic growth and prosperity, in a country with an economic model such as ours, is through a strong private sector. That, however, does not mean government does not have a role in guaranteeing the well being of our society through social programs, or that it does not play a role in overcoming economic crises such as the one we are finally leaving behind.
            Bush’s TARP and Obama’s stimulus packages were not designed to replace the private sector, they were designed to help us prevent the collapse of our banking system and provide the stimuli needed to get the economy moving again.
            Along the same lines, programs such as Social Security, MEDICARE, MEDICAID, and ACA are designed to help segments of our population, particularly those without the economic resources to finance their retirement, overcome tragedy, unemployment, and those who are unable to pay high insurance premiums to get the medical care we all need to live a healthy and productive life get the services we need when we age, when we lose our jobs, and when we are ill.
            The private sector does not invest in roads, bridges, affordable healthcare, education and similar services because it is evil, it doesn’t because return on investment, or even a guarantee that their investment is not going to be lost, are not evident. Businesses depend on sales and profit to grow, and there is nothing wrong with that. It is important, however, to understand that there are things that a large number of Americans need that is not provided by private industry.
            Bailing out GM and Chrysler did a lot more than help union members. Every employee in those companies benefited from the bailout. The same goes for folks working at supplier facilities and dealerships. Incidentally, the majority of them are not union workers. Likewise, shareholders benefited by the bailout when instead of losing their investment, they saw it rebound.
            The erosion of jobs has been a problem for us for decades and it is, indeed, a major concern. The trend became a hemorrhage when former President Nixon re-established diplomatic and trade relations with China. When that happened, the old maquiladoras south of the border were replaced by a massive departure of heavy industry, from steel mills to makers of most of the products sold at stores like WalMart. Outsourcing did not start 5 years ago, it started 50 years ago and it is likely to continue for a number of reasons ranging from taking advantage of cheap labor markets to a desire to expand global market share. The latter is the real impetus for so many large American corporations investing heavily in China. The availability of large numbers of college graduates with degrees in hard sciences is another factor in the decision of so many of our CEOs to move operations to Asia.
            Instead of pretending that problems such as outsourcing began 5 years ago, that illegal immigration is a new phenomenon, that unemployment and poverty in America are unprecedented, or that Benghazi was an unprecedented tragedy, we should make an effort to determine the root causes of the problems that afflict us and work jointly to solve them. Unfortunately, there is so much partisanship, intolerance, and greed that working together to offer a better future for our children is nothing more than a chimera.

          • joe schmo says:

            Yes, through a strong private sector. That is absolutely the point I am trying to make and to an extent the government should be there to serve our purpose, but that does not mean they have power over us. “Such as the one we are finally leaving behind” well that makes one of us. Unfortunately, not noticing any changes in our economic woes, I find your opinion a bit unsettling.

            I would like to know where things are better? As far as the stimulus goes. Just how many times do you have to prop up a drunk man when you darn well know he will fall down again. The only thing I see is a false economy with an ever devaluating dollar. July may be the tipping point? Even Russia seems to be thinking of throwing the American Dollar into the burn pile, and that fluctuating stock market….kind of dangerous.

            I have no problem with social programs for the poor, unemployed (but only for a time), disabled, and elderly. Just don’t want programs especially for the poor and unemployed to venture on forever. The poor need to work for the money they get and the unemployed should not get 2 years of aide. That’s just insane.

            Abolish the IRS and enact a flat tax. Roads and infrastructure should be paid for with taxes, as should healthcare for the poor and disabled. I agree with some aide. But oftentimes it is taken too far by individuals who know how to use the system. In this case, benefits should be closely monitored.

            I don’t agree with the bailout of GM and Chrysler. It has never been up to the government to bail out any private company. There is a pure example of too much government interference. It’s like a parent bailing out a child every time they do something wrong. You’re not teaching that child anything. Loosing makes you try harder or start over and that is how you grow. Unions have become too dominant. Like I said they started out as a good thing which was to protect the worker from abuses by employers. However they have become an overstuffed bureaucracy.

            True there have been some big mistakes with regard to outsourcing yet it can be corrected and little has been done to figure out a solution. The government should only be allowed to stop it. Obama could fix this problem but he doesn’t. For Christ’s sake he outsourced the website for Obamacare…..and you think that was OK.

            ‘The debate over outsourcing is full of misnomers, miscommunications, and misleading assertions. Government should stay out of the way and let markets determine where companies hire their employees. If politicians preening for the public try to make public policy around outsourcing, they’re likely to make things worse instead of better.’

            ‘Taxing IBM, Microsoft, or Dell because they hire people in India or in other countries is one way to ensure they’ll stumble in foreign markets.’

            Increasingly, the reason companies are hiring overseas is because of the talent they find there. What does that mean for us? Our education system is not doing a good enough job. Competition is everywhere. We need to start rewarding and encouraging bright students to excel. Not hold them back and treat them like mainstream. Not everyone is equal in intelligence. Sorry that is just a true fact. Schools need to become stricter and more disciplined. This lax in our education system is where the problems begin. Sadly, I learned everything I know in college. Elementary and Secondary schools should be just as tough.

            Free trade benefits countries, whether that trade is in goods or services, but it has to flow both ways which, at the moment, is not apparent. Unfortunately, we have become a country of consumers.

            Imposing import tariffs on China’s goods would also help immensely. In a nutshell, we cannot stop outsourcing because that would economically isolate us from the rest of the world.

            Yes, there is a huge divide in the parties which is bad, but times are bad. That’s when the blame game begins. Obama, as much as you all favor him, has done a terrible job at keeping things together. Being bias gets you no where fast. Being against the opposite side only breeds deceit, distrust and disobedience. Being a president is all about staying strong against your adversaries yet holding up diplomacy internationally. This way you are respected. I think it is a misnomer that you can expect the world to just love you because of who you are. Doesn’t work that way.

            We need a president who can bring us ALL together. Sure, there will always be ruffled feathers on either side but not like this. There was great hope in this guy but nada. Hasn’t happened. Not a good team player. Until that changes we will continue to have strife…and that probably means until his term is over and in my opinion it can’t end soon enough. I think we are all tired of his mistakes.

          • Dominick Vila says:

            I agree with much of what you said, especially the part about welfare not becoming a perpetual crutch. I am a bit perplexed by your criticism regarding the government bailout about of GM and Chrysler), but not saying anything about the government bailing out our banks (TARP).
            Yes, we should not expect other countries to love us because of who we are. I spent 30 years overseas and I am well aware of the sentiments that prevail in other countries when it comes to relations with the USA, and how our historical record influences their opinion. I am also well aware of the improved perceptions that currently exist as a result of President Obama’s foreign policy. I have close relatives in Sweden, the UK, Spain, and Venezuela and I can tell you that most were appalled and incredulous by the actions taken by former President Bush, and they are very impressed with President Obama’s record thus far. I must admit, however, that I am a little disturbed with the belligerent position he has taken against Russia on the Ukraine situation. His position, which is out of character when compared to what he has done thus far, is incomprehensible when we consider how little leverage we have, and the role that Russia has played in Syria, Iran, and other countries where their influence and ability to intercede is much more relevant than ours.

          • joe schmo says:

            Whoops, must have skipped that one. I also do not agree with Bank bailouts. They are really a huge part of our problem as is printing more and more paper money. Wonder if we have the gold to back it up. Most likely no. No government bailouts for any Corporate entity that is not government owned, period. That is certainly not the American way. They have to learn from their mistakes.

            Well, Europe is quite Democratic. I also have traveled somewhat extensively although it has been a while. I also have family in Europe. Frankly, they are sick of illegals coming in and I have heard somewhat the contrary with regards to Obama. That is that Obama is seen as somewhat weaker than they at first thought. Bush was not a good president. Many Conservatives would agree with you on that one, however; we don’t care much for this one either. I guess we tend to be more skeptical and do not trust as easily.

            I personally think that Putin is a bit more than Obama expected. I really don’t think Putin respects Obama all that much either. Putin is quite clever. He stands behind the very people who are causing headaches for us. Putin’s actions are kind of dangerous if you ask me. Middle East, China? At first, I liked the direction he was going in for his people. Flat tax, building business….now I am not so sure. Can not comprehend why he wants the Ukraine unless it is because of the oil pipeline. That’s really no reason to just waltz in and take over. Will have to do some more digging to find out what the real reason is. Ask a relative who speaks Russian and has friends who live there. Little scary. Hope he doesn’t try to take back more of what the Russians let go…..

          • Dominick Vila says:

            Putin only respects Vladimir. His position on the Crimea does not make sense. That is, unless his goal is to remind their former Soviet satellites of who is best prepared to impose its will if they get out of line or challenge Mother Russia. Yes, his decision is perplexing and inconsistent with his focus on the Russian economy and on improving the standard of living of his people.

          • joe schmo says:

            I think it may have something to do with oil and NATO? Quote me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think so….

          • Dominick Vila says:

            Yes, I don’t think Putin and his cronies were not too impressed with the Ukraine’s attempt to join the EU, and they are definitely not too excited about the possibility of having NATO in their doorsteps. We, on the other hand, would like nothing better.

          • 4sanity4all says:

            And you should ask those of us with pre-existing medical conditions how we are enjoying having an ACA policy that actually covers our medical care, for only a slightly higher premium. Yes, ask actual people like me, and many people that I know. The people on Fox news that claim to hate it have all been debunked as having avoided getting an ACA policy, and instead put themselves in the hands of scammer insurance companies.

          • Dominick Vila says:

            You are right. One of my grandsons has cerebral palsy and is paralyzed from the waist down, with limited mobility in one of his arms. Before ACA became law he was denied insurance coverage because of his pre-existing condition, which was caused at birth (he was over 3 months premature and suffered a massive hemorrhage at birth). He depended on charitable organization for the procedures he needed throughout his life, and expensive out of pocket spending for routine doctor visits and medication. Now he has insurance coverage and does not have to suffer the indignity of depending on alms to survive.
            It is also important to point out that hundreds of thousands of young people, especially college students, can now stay on their parents insurance until they are 26 years old.

          • Independent1 says:

            I’m definitely beginning to think you’re either mentally challenged or a deliberate pathological liar. Fact is, that by the end of February, more than 4 million folks had signed up for Obamacare which means that with the Medicaid expansion and children of insureds 18-26 being covered, as many as 15 million Americans may now have Obamacare. That sure doesn’t sound like a complete farce to me idiot!!

            And that’s not all, from a recent study, Obamacare is freeing up so much money in households that Obamacare is boosting household incomes and spending which is benefiting the economy. When you say something stupid you really say something stupid!!!

            It must have really killed the editorial board over at the Wall Street Journal to see this this story appear on the paper’s website. The Affordable Care Act, President Barack Barack Obama’s signature health law, is already boosting household income and spending.

            The Commerce Department reported Monday that consumer spending rose a better-than-expected 0.4% and personal incomes climbed 0.3% in January. The new health-care law accounted for a big chunk of the increase on both fronts.

            On the incomes side, the law’s expanded coverage boosted Medicaid benefits by an estimated $19.2 billion, according to Commerce’s Bureau of Economic Analysis. The ACA also offered several refundable tax credits, including health insurance premium subsidies, which added up to $14.7 billion.

            Of course it’s helping consumers. It was designed to. Which also means it will help the economy when those consumers have a little bit more personal income to spend out in the marketplace. It will help insurance companies who will have more customers, many of whom won’t ever require big payouts. That’s one of the reason this model of health insurance reform was proposed first by conservatives!

        • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon says:

          You forgot the unicorns.

      • JSquercia says:

        Worst President in your lifetime . Are you kidding ? Did you forget about George W Bush . He was so disliked that they didn’t invite him to speak at the Republican Convention .Nary a mention of him or Chaney .
        Let’s start with a brief review of Dubya’s accomplishments . He IGNORED a warning that Al Qaeda was determined to strike in the US while on vacation on his “ranch” . He did not increase airport security and we got 911 . Then he decided to attack Iraq which had nothing to do with 911 . his administration had always wanted to attack Iraq . Completely IGNORING the fact that Saddam provided a useful counterweight to Iran .By ousting Saddam we created a Shia
        government in Iraq which is more closely allied with Iran than the west .
        Let’s look at his economic record .He sat and did NOTHING as the banks and Mortgage companies began a wave of Fraud (the FBI in fact said there was rampant fraud in the Mortgage industry) with sub prime loans being bundled and sold to Wall street for securitization . In fact he even stepped in to stop the Attorney Generals from various states from investigating the sub prime loans .He became the FIRST President to CUT taxes during a war (two wars as a matter of fact) . His Grand Finale was the financial
        collapse which gave us the GREAT Recession .BTW the only thing that prevented the incident from becoming a second Depression was the New Deal Policies such as Unemployment and Social Security .
        What a load of BS that Obama is unwilling to work with Republicans .He incorporated their ideas into the stimulus
        which is one reason it didn’t do as much as it could have .They got their way on tax cuts as opposed to increased spending let’s remember that Mitch McConnell said his FIRST Priority was to make Obama a One term President (how’d that work out for you guys ).What in gods name to you call the unprecedented use of the Filibuster .The Republican Minority has thwarted most of his agenda and refused to give his court appointments an up or down vote .
        As for criticism of the ACA , are you aware that the plan was FIRST suggested by the Heritage Foundation and Successfully implemented by Romney in Massachusetts ?

        • plc97477 says:

          You forgot to mention that BB (baby bush) also let bin laden get away and seemed very happy to do so.

          • Sand_Cat says:

            Of course he did! Bin Laden was the best friend Bush and Cheney had, and they took full advantage to help the country take another giant leap towards becoming a fascist police state.

        • Sand_Cat says:

          Joe is less than five years old, mentally if not physically.

        • joe schmo says:

          Guess what, we didn’t like Bush either. He was too Liberal for our taste. We also don’t like McConnell, McCain, Boehner. RINOS

          Reason for filibuster and other Repub issues. Obama the imperialist refuses to work with the Conservatives.

          ACA/Romney – Romney stated this time and time again. He didn’t think his health plan would work nationwide.

          You can honestly say to me that this Country is doing well? If you do you must be ‘swimming with the sharks.’

        • joe schmo says:

          Dude, what you don’t get is the fact that most Republicans didn’t like him either. He was too Liberal and wishy washy for us. So you can quit beating that dead horse. We haven’t had a good president for decades….

        • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon says:

          Boooosh is gone.
          You have had five years of hopey and changey.
          Time for so-called liberals to admit that blind hatred for the Texan and the infantile demand for “change” were not quite the same thing as a sound plan for advancing America.

  3. latebloomingrandma says:

    So Obama thinks and reasons before he makes a decision. I think he is therefore failing as an autocratic dictator. Republicans should make up their minds as to what he is. I’m getting whiplash trying to keep up.

  4. The_Magic_M says:

    Same playbook as during Syria issue.
    First Republicans accused Obama of being “too weak” for not going to war at once.
    Then when it looked like he leaned towards military action, they accused him of trying to circumvent Congress.
    Then when he put the issue before Congress, they called him weak again because he “wasn’t leading”.

    Severe ODS all the way.

    Now their hardly restrained Putin love (All Hail the Slayer of Gays!) reinforces that, causing them to simultaneously condemn Obama for not stopping Putin The Evil Aggressor and praise Putin The Fearless Leader (because they don’t like how Obama is a Cowardly Wuss and Merciless Nazi Dictator at the same time, or something).

  5. elw says:

    The only things the Radical wing of the GOP is good at is the blame game and ignoring any information that will discredit what they are saying. I do not even listen to them anymore, I stopped when I began to be able to predict exactly what they would say. They are silly old men that make a cartoon of themselves every time they open their mouths. I encourage them to keep talking because I do not want one of them as President two years from now and when they talk they lose voters.

  6. TZToronto says:

    I’ve been reading Dallas 1963. It’s about the ultra-right-wing politics of that city before the election of JFK and during his Presidency. To me it looks like it was written, in part, to draw parallels between that time, fifty years ago, and today. All you have to do is substitute Obama for Kennedy, black for Catholic, Limbaugh, Beck, or Coulter for Criswell, H.L. Hunt or Edwin Walker, the Tea Party for the John Birch Society, and you could write the same book about today’s politics (hopefully without the same tragic ending). The main difference is that today’s right-wingers are mainly Republicans; fifty years ago, there were a lot of southern Democrats who were reactionary as well, longing for the days of the “romantic” South when a certain group of people knew their place (or were forced into it).

  7. howa4x says:

    I wonder where the Neo cons were when the Russia grabbed 2 parts of Georgia with a pretext of rescuing Russian speaking peoples that lived there, a deja vu of what happened in the Crimea. President Bush did nothing and allowed the aggression to happen undeterred. So if Graham wants to point at Obama as the cause of current Russian aggression he should really be talking about Bush’s inaction as the message to Russia that it could grab more land with out consequence. Once again republicans pretending Bush 2 never happened.

  8. Lynda Groom says:

    Don’t you all remember that before Obama was sworn into office back in Jan of 2009 that the world was at peace? Everyone had job, everyone was worry free concerning health care and the money was trickling down upon the masses. Everything that happens anywhere in the world is Obama fault. All you have do is listen to the blovators from the entertainment division of the GOP or the selected mouth pieces from the Senate. Blovate on dear Senator.

  9. They did the same thing on Libya. Newt Gingrich attacked Obama for not providing aerial support, then immediately attacked Obama for providing aerial support.

    This is literally a party that cannot decide what their agenda is until they have seen what the Democrats recommend.

  10. lemstoll says:

    Blame Putin solely: On this date In 1936, Adolf Hitler ordered his troops to
    march into the Rhineland, thereby breaking the Treaty of Versailles
    (vehr-SY’) and the Locarno Pact.

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