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Sunday, October 23, 2016

WASHINGTON — Do conservatives still believe in American greatness?

The question is not intended to discourage the healthy debate being pushed by Rand Paul and his allies over whether Republicans in the George W. Bush years were too eager to deploy our country’s armed forces overseas. After the steep costs of the Iraq War, it is a very necessary discussion.

But the libertarian senator from Kentucky has inadvertently called our attention to a deep contradiction within American conservatism.

Those who share Paul’s philosophical orientation are quite right in seeing the rise of American power in the world as closely linked to the rise of the New Deal/Great Society state at home. But this means that those who want the United States to play a strong role in global affairs need to ask themselves if their attitudes toward government’s role inside our country, which are similar to Paul’s, are consistent with their vision of American influence abroad.

After World War II, there was a rough consensus in America, confirmed during Dwight Eisenhower’s presidency in the 1950s, in favor of an energetic national government.

We emerged from the war as a global power that had learned lessons from the Great Depression. Government action could lessen the likelihood of another disastrous economic downturn and build a more just and prosperous society at home by investing in our people and our future.

Thus did the Marshall Plan and the GI Bill go hand in hand. The Marshall Plan eased Western Europe’s recovery from the devastation of war, thereby protecting friendly governments and opening new markets for American goods. The GI Bill educated a generation of veterans, spurring prosperity from the bottom up by enabling millions to join a growing middle class.

Eisenhower built on these achievements by creating the first college loan program and launching the interstate highway system. It’s no accident that the former was establishing by the National Defense Education Act while the latter was known as the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act.

Lyndon Johnson operated in the same tradition. It’s worth remembering that passage of the landmark civil rights acts was helped along by our competition with the Soviet Union. We realized we could not appeal to the nonwhite, nonaligned parts of the world if we practiced racism at home.

And we fought poverty — for moral reasons, but also because we wanted to show the world that we could combine our market system with economic justice. We forget that we succeeded. A strengthened Social Security system combined with Medicare slashed poverty rates among the elderly. Food stamps dealt with a real problem of hunger in our nation while Medicaid brought regular health care to millions who did not have it before.

Through it all, Keynesian economics kept our economy humming while widely shared prosperity created the sense of national solidarity that a world role required.

  • John Pigg

    This article makes several valid points. Most notably that conservative attitudes towards fiscal discipline clash dramatically with military adventurism. If you want to believe that there is a terrorist behind every door than you are going to have to pay for it.

    The great irony of American Conservatives is that they do not trust the Federal government domestically, but give it a blank check internationally.

    Its refreshing to be having conversations about what conservatism actually means through conservatives themselves. 2016 looks to be very interesting.

    • CPAinNewYork

      The faction that calls itself “conservative” isn’t. It’s radical fascism. The efforts of people like the Krotch brothers, Grover Norquist, Mitt Romney, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith and the rest of the dirtbag neocons who want to push us into another Mideast war to protect Israel are destined to ruin this country if they are implemented. As one of the Pauls said, “We can’t afford another war.”

      We can’t afford another Iraq. We can’t afford another Afghanistan. We can’t afford a war with Iran and it’s becoming increasingly clear that we may soon not be able to afford an “ally” like Israel.

      • We can’t afford an “ally” like Israel now. Since all the money and aide given to Israel ove the years have been called loans it is time for them to be repayed and no more loans given.

        • Michael Kollmorgen

          We ought to solve the “Jewish” problem by granting all the Jewish citizens of Israel full citizen rights of the US. Dissolve the country. Have them all come here.

          IF they don’t agree to this idea, cut off all funding to Israel.

          After they come here, totally destroy every single building, every single piece of Infrastructure that exists over there. Leave that land barren as it was before the Jews ever occupied it. Glass it as far as I’m concerned.

          Let the Rag Heads have it.

          This has been going on for over 2000 years over there. It’s time someone puts a stop to it.

  • It all depends on our interpretations of what greatness is. For those whose idea of greatness is limited to the enrichment of a minority of our population, and slash and burn policies abroad, the GOP agenda is second to none. Those who believe greatness is achieved and advances by improving the standard of living of the population, protecting our most vulnerable citizens, and respecting the values, traditions and aspirations of others, the Democratic party is their only choice in a system dominated by two parties with diametrically opposed ideologies and priorities.

    We have to go no further than seeing who won the CPAC straw poll – Rand Paul – to see where the Tea Party wants to take America. Their opposition to fiscal discipline, based on the need to pay for what we need and benefit from, is limited to the idea of destroying the social programs that millions of Americans depend on to survive, exempting the wealthiest members of our society from being taxed at a rate conducive to lower deficits. Popular proposals, such as eliminating loopholes that benefit only the rich, and subsidies to businesses that don’t need them to prosper, are advertised as tax increases and a form of punishment to our benefactors.

    Policies designed to increase the wealth of our most prosperous citizens, while simultaneously denying our most vulnerable citizens the most essential benefits to survive and live with a modicum of dignity are abhorrent and to be expected only in the most corrupt totalitarian regimes.

  • montanabill

    ‘American greatness’ is defined by E.J. as an all powerful government insuring that no one fails or succeeds. A grading system insuring all ‘C’s’. ‘American greatness’ as defined by conservatives is freedom and opportunity for the individual to succeed or fail. A grading system that still goes from ‘F to A’, but it is your choice, not government’s.

    • charleo1

      I thought conservatives defined American Greatness, as a big bristling
      military. Funded by the Middle Class, and served in by the poor. While,
      freedom, and opportunity were things available to anyone with enough
      money to buy members of Congress a la carte.

    • Is that why over the past 30 years when Reagan and the two Bushes ran the country for o20 years of it, not only did we see the highest unemployment and interest rates in American history along with stagnant, floundering economies that eventually deteriorated into the 2nd biggest depression in American history(unemployment rates exceeded 15% and interest rates reached 20% during Reagan’s disasterous 8 years and Bush 2 not only floundered the country but drove it almost into depression) While during Clinton’s 8 years and now Obama’s four, not only were interest rates and unemployment rates down or coming down, but there were even 3 years when our government operated with surplus budgets. The Democrats vision isn’t than no one fails or succeeds, it’s a vision where everyone has the same opportunity to fail or succeed and go from f to A. The conservatives by cutting budgets, including Pell Grants and everything to do with getting an education, are limiting the fail or succeed to those who are born with silver spoons in their mouth. It’s mantra is, you’re on your own budy to sink or swim, I’m not going to help you – a philosophy where 2% will eventually have the ability to swim and 98% will sink.

      • CPAinNewYork

        Independent i:

        Which Republican president was impeached?

        • TZToronto

          Johnson. Nixon would have been impeached if he hadn’t hopped aboard Marine One to get out of town.

          • CPAinNewYork

            Andrew Johnson was a Democrat.

          • Boy, are you stretching stupid.

          • CPAinNewYork

            You don’t believe me when I say that Andrew Johnson was a Democrat? Then Google it. You’ll see that i’m right. Then maybe you’ll also see that you’re the stupid one here.

          • He was impeached by the Republicans because he like President Limcoln did not believe in treating the South harshly and his refusal to do so got hime impeached but they didn’t get him out of office. The thinking of the Republican party was the same then as it is now. Treat all that all oppose as harshly as we can get away with.

          • TZToronto

            Sorry. My bad.

        • plc97477

          nixon quit when it became evident that he was about to get the boot.

    • Here are a few recent news tidbits that you may find interesting:

      . According to economist Stephen Bronars, the new 39.6% federal tax bracket will only affect 0.7% of taxpayers but will hit 9.5% of aggregate personal income, as top
      earners earn a disproportionate share of the national income.

      . The unemployment rate for those with a bachelor’s degree is just 3.7% — less than
      half the nationwide average.

      . There were fewer state and local education jobs in 2012 than there were in 2005, even though the number of 5- to 18-year-olds has increased by 600,000.

      . Growth in America’s energy output since 2008 has surpassed that of any other country in the world, according to energy analyst Daniel Yergin.

      . According to a study by two Yale economists, if state and local governments acted like they had in the last five recessions, they would have added at least 1.4 million jobs since 2007. Instead, they cut more than 700,000.

      You can see from that last one how the Red States cutting budgets and services, including education and everything else they can get their hands on, has not only driven millions into needing food stamps, but is also to a great degree responsible for why the unemployment rate is now 7.7% instead of under 6%. Because instead of working to create 1.4 million jobs, they chose to do just the opposite and drive hundreds of thousands into unemployment and onto welfare. That’s why 15 of the 18 states that drag the most welfare dollars from Washington are all run by these supposed Conservatives that you say created opportunity but in reality create nothing but a dead end for 98% of our population.

      • charleo1

        Well stated. And as we advocate for investment, and educational
        opportunities. We should take a long look at these States run in
        complete sync with so called Conservative policies. And why it
        is, every single one is requiring more Federal funds than they
        are contributing. That is if State Governments are the great incubators
        of freedom, as they make them out to be. Reagan’s mantra, was
        cut the Federal budget, and send the bill to the States. And he still
        run deficits higher than any President before him.

    • jnap

      Really? And if the test is heavily weighted so that the rich have all of the resources and all of the cliff notes and the rest don’t even get a textbook to look at then it become impossible for anyone but the rich to get a passing grade.
      That is precisely what we have now; a system that gives all of the advantages to a small upper 10% while denying the lower 90% the resources to succeed. I say tax the rich at 70% and use the proceeds to build an education system so superior that 100% of the population could succeed.

  • charleo1

    As Abe Lincoln pointed out. He didn’t believe a Nation half slave, and half free,
    could long endure. But, he wasn’t talking about slavery, the institution. And, he
    wasn’t moralizing as an Abolitionist. He was warning a divided Country about
    the consequences of coming apart. Today, the Country is once more in peril
    of permanent, disunion. Not as slave, or free. But as the perpetually poor, and
    unimaginably, wealthy. Already the gulf is so wide, the divisions so profound, of
    what each group needs, or expects from it’s government, that the middle ground,
    even for those who sincerely seek it, is becoming nearly impossible to find.
    Who can deny the widening chasm between the haves, and have nots, is
    weakening the Country’s ability to pay it’s bills, and balance it’s books?
    In fact, the imbalance of the books, is reflective of our imbalanced economy.
    And, our imbalanced economy, is reflective of the deterioration of representation
    by the government of the majority, as the issues of the monied elite take center
    stage. The emphasis is on debt reduction, and lower taxes for the minority that
    continue to reap an ever greater share of the wealth we create as a Nation.
    As the majority, our interests are jobs, education, affordable healthcare, clean air,
    and water, and as important as all of these, a livable wage, that empowers all
    who work in contribution to this Country’s prosperity, a chance to share in it’s
    bounty. And, also allows the great majorities to once again, pay a fair share of the
    costs of government, and investment in our Country. Too many of us have been
    made beggars in our own Country. So, this is the great divide today. That threatens
    to create an irreversible aristocracy, that rules without question, the government,

    and a once powerful people.

    • CPAinNewYork

      So, given that the rich won’t surrender their perks anytime soon and given that Obama is reluctant to do what he promises, when do you think that the revolution will start?

      • I generally agree with most of your posts, but your post this time makes it sound like Obama is willy nilly about following through on promises; when infact, of all the presidents I’ve lived under, and I can remember FDR, Barak Obama is by far the president to work the hardest at fulling his promises of any president other than possibly than FDR – yet, he’s every bit as determined as FDR to do what he promised.
        Are you aware that a study done last year showed that during all of Obama’s campainging for the presidency, the study group came up with over 500 promises that Obama had made; and in thoroughly analyzing those promises they found that he had been able to fully keep more than 250 of them, and he has partially kept, where the GOP would permit, another 125; leaving 125 plus or so that he hadn’t been able to follow up on – virtually all of them because of the complete obstruction of the GOP. They weren’t saying that all the promises had been fully kept as left wing liberals would have liked, but the majority of them were kept the best that they felt Obama could have accomplished given the resistance by the GOP.

        • CPAinNewYork

          What does the study say about his promises to nail the bankers who defy the nation’s banking laws?

          • That’s obviously one of the political footballs he hasn’t seen fit to take on yet. My sense is that taking on these bankers isn’t as easy as you and others seem to think, or I’m sure he would have done it before this. He’s having enough of a hard time getting things through an obstructionist GOP, I don’t think he’s willing yet to really allienate the GOP by taking on one of the biggest industries that supports them.

            His administration has made great strides in taking contractors in the defense and healtcare industries to task, bringing many of them to court and has succeeded in recovering billions in fraudulent charges from companies in these industries that were granted no bid contracts by Republicans and have subsequently defrauded our country of billions of dollars. So he’s not shy about waging war on some industries which leads me to believe that there’s some reason he’s been holding back on the financial industry. (If you doubt my claims about bringing defense industry frauders to court, do a search on ‘War on fraud in the defense industry’ and take the link to Pepperlaw dot com.)

          • CPAinNewYork

            “Taken to task” doesn’t really mean much if there’s no prosecution. He had a chance when he brought several banking and investment bigwigs to the White House and essentially wimped out.

            If anything, his wimping out and Holder’s refusal to indict has emboldened the miscreants to the point where they think that they can flaunt the law with impunity. Maybe they’re correct in that assessment.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Very easy to criticise,how about you take on the job of prosecution and see how far you get.You give the impression that your grasp of all the issues involved in going after these bankers and the national and international repercussions that are possible is not as firm as you might like to think.

          • CPAinNewYork

            I’ll take on the job. Will you recommend me for it? I’ll bet that even if I don’t get any convictions, the light that I’ll shine on these bastards will make people sit up and take notice.

          • Ed

            No it won’t. Dancing with the stars is on. Unless the people pay attention nothing happens. And DWTS, American Idol, and the Biggest Loser are all directed at getting p;eople to not pay attention. As one women who was interviewed once said,”I don’t like to think” I prefer sitcoms”.

          • Mark Forsyth

            There was a big news item just last week with all indications that banks such as J.P.Morgan/Chase are presently too big to prosecute per Eric Holder.Not really surprising considering that these banks have enough cash to tie things up in litigation with delaying tactics indefinitely.What should be alarming people is that a private company or corporation has more power than the law.That is a number 1 grade A prime example of fascism.Maybe you can influence some gop members to instigate prosecutions with the aim of breaking up these banks eh?

          • CPAinNewYork

            “Eh”? You sound like a Canadian with that expression.

            In any case, I don’t completely agree with your definition of fascism. I think that what you’re referring to is plain old corruption. There’s a lot of that going around. As far as my influencing the GOP to initiate prosecutions, I think that the better way would be to influence the Democrats to do that. Unfortunately, they, from the President down, seem to be disinclined to take action.

          • Mark Forsyth

            I don’t give a fuck what you think of my expressions.If you think that we are not at threat from fascism then you are ill informed and are not seeing the full picture.Study the history from start to present of J.P.Morgan and you will see how our banking system and even parts of our government are rife with fascism and if you disagree with my example of fascism then you don’t understand what it is.Recommend you? Yes indeed,for your own personal room in a psyche ward Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren is supremely qualified to shine the light you advocate and if she were not then it is doubtful the gop would have opposed her campaign as much as they did.President Obama,Elizabeth Warren and the rest of the Democratic party,as imperfect as any other human beings,will do a much better job when they are not dealing with ignorant republican obstruction. You are merely sounding off and barking up the wrong tree.Go bark at the moon.

          • CPAinNewYork

            Hmm. A violent response to what I thought was a rather mild statement on my part.

            I think that there’s some threat from fascism, but I don’t think that you’ve identified it. As I said, your confusing fascism with old fashioned corruption. There’s little danger of our falling into a one-party system with a Hitler-like dictator, especially with tigers like you keeping an eye on things. There is a danger from our becoming a plutocratic oligarchy or is it an oligarchic plutocracy that threatens us? I’m not sure if there’s a difference.

            Anyway, keep up the good work. I feel safer knowing that alert people like you are on the case.

          • Mark Forsyth

            I admit that my responses are often passionately strident.In addition I sometimes react too strongly to comments from someone with whom I might otherwise be in agreement.For that I will apologize. I abhor fascists and fascism or anything remotely close to it. I learned about it from my father.A World War II vet who landed at Normandy two weeks after D Day and was involved in the hedgerow fighting.He made it all the way into Germany.He hated Nazis and would be aghast that fascism has made the inroads that it has in our country.I really do wish that you would read up on the Morgans.They have been crooks from their earliest days and have been and still are thoroughly dedicated to fascism.If you did,I think you might change your mind about how much of a threat it is. I don’t think that there is risk of another Hitler.After the first one, another couldn’t dare to raise his head.The world would not tolerate him.However, any attempt to replace our democracy with corporate fascism,plutocracy or whatever you want to call it is equally intolerable as is 90+% of the nations wealth in the hands of one percent. I have always been in favor of what is best for the people,everywhere. If that makes me a socialist,then I am glad to be one.The fascists hate me too.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            It could be said that the “Corporation” has nullified the concept of our Democracy as we think we understand it.

            When both parties are basically powerless in the face of all the money that is being poured into Congress via lobbies, and the Supreme Court granting “human” rights for corporations, there is no other conclusion than to consider the Corporation as a form of Fascism.

            The Corporation has become an entity onto themselves with human rights.

            The Corporation IS the new form of Fascism.

        • nobsartist

          More horse shit from the champion.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Tell ya, the Champion of them all was Reagan. Yea, I’d like to “one for the Gipper” too. Right where the sun don’t shine!

            And, Nixon is a close second. He might have been first IF he hadn’t of gotten caught. They used to called him Tricky Dick.

            Obama is far from either one of these guys.

        • Inthenameofliberty

          I’d .like to see that study. I have ten off the top of my head that he campaigned on that he chose to ignore.

        • CPAinNewYork

          Good post, Very erudite, but what about prosecuting thr renegade bankers?

      • rustacus21

        … or just maybe we’re looking at this all wrong; it’s not up to Obama. It’s not up to the rich. If not up to the 1 individual in the W.H. & not being up to the 1 tiny minority of the population, do we really, once again, have to remind ourselves to reference the Constitution so we know who it “IS” up to, to alleviate whatever misunderstandings & establish policy directions that any American’s have as to who it “IS” up to? We already ‘had’ a revolution. We already had an election. What we have is a ‘mandate’ that the Middle Class & poor must continue pressuring our “representatives” to enact. Otherwise, there’s recall & a MidTerm next year. The virtue of Democracy is the ability to exercise patience in order to avoid conflict & chaos… i.e., disobedience to the will of the majority to be met, again w/recall & replacement… Simple. Clean. Understandable. & best of all, cost-free (in terms of lives & money)!!! There’s no reason keeping people in office who have no intention on doing what they’re ‘instructed’, as we’re the majority who gives them the access they’re mishandling, exploiting for personal gain & abusing, while in office. Until We, The People put in end to it (once & for all), guess what…

  • MollyBee64

    Domestically, it is a strong and thriving middle class that makes us strong. If we are internally strong, we can be a believable and able global leader. This is a great article, pointing out the fallacy and dichotomy of the conservative platform and why the GOP is engaged in an internal struggle for it’s own survival. IF it is taken to it’s smallest common denominator, we have to blame greed and selfishness.

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    Conservatism today isn’t conservatism. It’s narcissism. It’s why the GOP contends that taxpayer dollars for SS, Medicare and Medicaid represents a “Nanny State.” Does these GOP conservatives expect ROI for their investments on Wall Street? What American will pay any taxes when they know they will not get a dime in ROI? And how isn’t that theft of American incomes? Conservatives today spend more time unfairly demonizing those who are already doing more than their fair share. Conservatives do this to refocus blame when they are the real flies in the pig slop. If they earn $500K a year, they want to live like they earn $5 Million. So, they live in such excess that they can no longer imagine what life without annual salary increases is like. The more these excess mongers spend, they more the cost the Middle Class. That’s their dirty little secret. Because they will tell us how when they spend they are helping the economy. NO…they are not. Because when they spend, it means they need continual infusions of more money to support their spending and just where do they get that money from if not stagnating their employees salaries, dumping the cost of employer benefits on their employees, raising the prices on their goods and services every 90 days and then demanding to pay less in taxes than those who earn less? Greed has always destroyed whole civilizations. Greed can and will destroy the US if these people are not put in their proper places. They do not need price increases on goods and services every 90 days. All that does is bankrupt the Middle Class to support annual salary increases at the top. Don’t believe it? Look at the skankola First Energy pulls with annual electric and gas increases and then stuffs those increases into salaries until a horrendous hurricane season destroys antiquated power lines and damages homes? The idea that every price increase should end up in a CEOs salary is what has gone wrong. Because…when they do that, we don’t get what we are paying for…goods and services of the highest quality for the top dollars we pay.

    • Thanks for the great post! I couldn’t agree more! Well said!

    • idamag

      Yes. yes, and yes. I have been calling it narcissism for a long time.

    • Prime example! Anthem/Blue Shield raised their monthly premium for us 23%!! No notice, no warning! Their last raise was just 6 months ago!!

      • Madelaine, hopefully you’ll see some relief in the next year or two when the phase of ACA that should reduce healthcare costs and thereby insurance premiums takes effect next year (when everyone has to have insurance and insurance companies have 40-50 million more people to share their costs – and healthcare providers can start reducing their charges because they don’t have to cover for the millions who now get healtchare and can’t pay for it).

    • Fairplay4

      Very good analysis.

    • Michael Kollmorgen

      The “homeowner” has never gotten the highest quality of ANYTHING.

      Our homes today are built to only last approximately 30 years and no more.

      Our Internet Connections is a complete disaster compared to even a country like Japan, who is wired for Optic Cable in nearly every household.

      Our Cable Services for the homeowner is nothing more than a bottomless money pit and poor quality to boot.

      Our Gas Bills, that which heats our homes is rising in cost nearly every year.

      Our Electric Bills do not reflect the services provided, considering many parts of the country experience brownouts and service delays.

      I could go on and on about this. But, if you are a corporation, you get massive discounts in all these areas and more.

      The average Homeowner has been getting royal screwing for years, which also includes a tax burden through your real estate taxes which stupid voters themselves impose on themselves.

      People fail to understand that your Federal Tax Dollar is extremely small compared to all the other taxes we pay from getting a pack of smokes, to eating in your favorite restaurant, to paying a tax on every item you buy at a retail store.

  • Mark Forsyth

    I guess their concept of greatness is different than mine.No news there.They have a fundamentally different concept that runs contrary to the values of democracy.I will never trust these people,they are not changing.In fact the only thing they are doing is putting a different dress on what we have known for a long time is a pig.They claim that they want to see America return to greatness but refuse to recognise that their habit of pushing plutocratic and fascist agendas are counterproductive.They even refuse to acknowledge the successful policies that brought us out of the Great Depression.This is little more than a further dose of willful ignorance.

  • Michael Kollmorgen

    Sure, Republicans believe in America’s Greatness, only if:

    You’re White
    Right Wing
    Evangelical Christian

    Let’s face one fact here, America has welcomed everyone, only if you fall within these three main categories. Everyone else is considered second class.

    It is deeply rooted in our country’s form of democracy from its first foundings.

    As far as our Evangelical nature, this has been largely hidden from the public eye until Reagan embraced the movement during his Presidency, which galvanized the Evangelicals into a cohesive political movement.

    It’s been down hill ever since!

    • Mark Forsyth

      All of their efforts have gone towards feeding their money addiction.You may hear a lot about how much cash the Catholic Church has but to be sure, the gop courted the evangelicals and fundamentalists not just because they have money but because they tend to be undereducated shallow thinkers who are easy marks and easily hoodwinked into thinking that the gop is on their side.All that is frequently required to accomplish that is to get to the local government level and see to it that things go their way when the evies are trying to get hold of a plot of land for a new church. My own experience involves contacting our now acting Secretary of The Army,John McHugh,when he was still a Congressman from Pierrepont Manor,New York with an office in Watertown.I was having an issue with a government bureaucracy and their regulations.There were allowances for variances with those regs which they were unwilling to employ.When McHugh learned of my income level,the only thing he was willing to do was to send me a letter containing the regulations with which I was already familiar.Turns out that they don’t really want to be bothered with anyone who has an annual income of less than $500K.From start to finish,the process took about five weeks.However,after contacting Senators Schumer and Gillibrand,my issue was resolved in two hours.Don’t know about you but to me that speaks volumes.As to my comment above about the shallow thinkers:remember they know just enough to be dangerous.

      • I can attest to them being shallow thinkers; they have to think pretty shallow to believe that the GOP represents anything that’s remotely Christian. GOP lovers are nothing more than the Devil’s henchmen. Ready and willing to corrupt any faux Christian they can find.

    • plc97477

      You forgot one: male

      • Michael Kollmorgen

        Yep, you’re right.

        Well, I don’t know.

        IF you take into consideration how males, especially white males, have been basically classified as second-class citizens in our society today, I can see why males feel the way they do.

        I’ve supported the Woman’s Liberation Movement in the past. But, the changes I’ve seen over the years concerning the male role in society as a whole, I think my support has been misplaced to a great degree.

  • latebloomingrandma

    I can’t add anything to the very good discussion occurring here, except that the GOP seems to have no “vision.” If you heard any clips from the CPAC conference, they still seem to be a pretty snarky bunch, somehow longing for days past, yet not recognizing that in America’s past, we, as a nation, spent $$ to improve ourselves. We desperately need modernization, and the GOP seems to be stuck in the early 1900’s. We are, for the time being, a superpower, in a complex, fast changing, inter-connected world. What on earth does “small government” mean for the world of 2013? All we want is effective gov’t. I personally don’t feel any crushing of freedoms that the conservatives seem to think is happening. Of course, I’m not breaking laws or trying the game the system either.

  • Jeanne Rossi

    You have a point that I absolutely agree with. I just made a comment elsewhere saying the same thing and I keep saying it, I am so fed up with how much the politicians are paid and all their perks while we struggle. And the most ironic is the fact that they are getting away with it,

  • Jeanne Rossi

    Good for you LaRae. The message following this was my message to you.

  • To whom much has been given, much is expected.

    Unless the money and power are inherited, or wrenched out of the mouths of the poor and the uneducated for the enrichment of those already in power. In which case, tax cuts must be enacted in order to provide more comfort to the insanely wealthy and politically connected.