By Joe Conason

Highly Debatable: The Big Liar’s Biggest Lies

October 5, 2012 12:34 am Category: Memo Pad, Politics 292 Comments A+ / A-
Highly Debatable: The Big Liar’s Biggest Lies

“It’s not easy to debate a liar,” complained an email from one observer of the first presidential debate  – and there was no question about which candidate he meant. Prevarication, falsification, fabrication are all familiar tactics that have been employed by Mitt Romney without much consequence to him ever since he entered public life, thanks to the inviolable taboo in the mainstream media against calling out a liar (unless, of course, he lies about sex).

Yes, President Obama ought to have been better prepared for Romney’s barrage of blather and bull. The Republican’s own chief advisor, Eric Fehrnstrom, had glibly described the “Etch-a-Sketch” strategy they would deploy in the general election, to make swing voters forget the “severe conservative” of the primaries. Romney executed that pivot on Wednesday night, but he could do so only by spouting literally dozens of provably fraudulent assertions — which various diligent fact-checkers proceeded to debunk.

Knowing that he is vulnerable on taxation and the budget for many reasons, including his own peculiar and secretive tax history, Romney made several contradictory claims regarding his economic plan. He has no plan to lavish $5 trillion in tax breaks on the wealthy. He won’t cut taxes for the rich at all. He vowed to provide tax relief to the middle class and won’t increase their tax burden. He swore that his tax cuts would not increase the deficit.

Finally, he said that with all of that, he would grow the economy enough to shrink and eventually eliminate the deficit — without raising taxes on anyone. And he claimed that there are several studies proving he can fulfill all of these conflicting promises — even though he refuses to provide any specific tax proposals beyond a broad tax cut.

There is no study proving that Romney can do what he promised – and among his lies is his description of editorials in Tthe Wall Street Journal as “studies” of his plan. The most complete and unrefuted study of his claims remains the Tax Policy Center’s bipartisan report on the Romney plan, which shows that there is simply no way to pay for his $5 trillion, across-the-board tax cut without raising taxes on the middle class. None of the alternative studies he has cited proves otherwise – and some of them actually amass additional evidence that he is wrong.

Undoubtedly he knows all that. He knows that eliminating the estate tax, a mainstay of his plan, will benefit the rich enormously and almost nobody else.

He also knows that when he claims economic growth alone will erase the deficit, without raising taxes, he is inventing impossible numbers. As The National Memo’s Howard Hill demonstrated yesterday, the assumptions behind his claims are ridiculous. For the numbers to work, he would have to create not 12 million jobs, as he promised to do by 2016, but 162 million — more than the total current U.S. workforce. Or else the jobs created would have to pay more than $443,000 per year on average — which is even less likely than Rafalca winning the dressage medal at the next Summer Olympics.

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  • sigrid28

    I think the debate was Romney’s greatest disgrace, so far. Why does a person with Mitt Romney’s resources, someone whose every wish would seem to have been fulfilled many times over, allow himself to become the gesticulating spokesperson for the extremist branch of the Republican party, people with whom he seems to have so little in common? Who, with Mitt Romney’s glittering persona, would willingly become the figurehead of shameless political hacks, running on their platform of misogyny, xenophobia, fear mongering, religious intolerance, and mendacity? What prompts an individual, who is the equal socially of the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson, to do their bidding? It just doesn’t add up.

    I once thought that Romney might have been so fooled by his enormous sense of entitlement that he believed the trophy of the presidency was his for the asking, and that he did not come to his senses about this until it was too late. Then, I thought that he might have set this course for himself to fulfill dynastic ambitions for his father and his sons, though he seems not to have prepared at all for governing in such a way as to bring distinction upon himself, his family, or the office of the presidency. His sons, it is said, begged him not to run for president, and so, too, I imagine, did his wife. They seem on track to become victims of Romney’s careless ambitions, along with the rest of us, as he plays out Aristotle’s baleful recipe for tragedy, that character is destiny.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      Romney Just Lying And Flip Flopping His Way To The Elections Where We The Smart Of America Will Vote His Lying Ass Off The Island!! How In The Hell Can Anyone Trush Any Thing This Lying Thug Say!!! Romney can’t Stick To One Side And Stay There To Save His Life!! The Man Is A Sociopath Who Would Say And Do Anything To Get His Way!!!

      • old_blu

        Good morning Fern, I think it is great he is digging the hole for us to drop him in.

        (there are still going to be people that vote for him) *shakes head and rolls eyes*

        • 1guy2

          I think you are right blu,I think there was more strategy in Obama’s lame speech,than you might first realize. I think he just let Romney commit suicide all by himself. you’ve not heard the last of all the lies,nor the camouflaged answers Romney gave. All of Obama’s
          answers were not correct,but WERE within tolerance,but you’re right Mitt just dug that hole a lot deeper. Watch all this come back to haunt him,in the next debate.

          • old_blu

            Exactly, I didn’t see that yesterday took me a day to figure it out, but I think he was just feeding him more rope to hang himself with.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            Hell Yeah He’s Running Romney Against Romney In His New Ads NOW!!!!LOL Just More Flip Flopping Who Can Trust Anything He Say!!! LOL Good Morning My Friend Looks Like We Got Another Win Unemployment Down To 7.8% YES!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

            Fern, when we were asking for the real Romney to stand up, I think he did on that tape about the 47%.

          • edwardw69

            Oh, but last night on Hannity, Mr. Romney repudiated the 47% remark. So, now it no longer exists. Retroactively or something.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            Too Little Too Late Once It’s Out Here You Can’t Take It Back!!! Besides That Was The Real Mitt Romney The Greedy Lying Sociopath He Really Is!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Erik-Christy/100001847048905 Erik Christy

            What’s nice is that he had to do it on Hannity because the Prez didn’t give him the chance to do it on prime time TV.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            That’s Just Who The Real Romney Is The Selfish Greedy Lying Thug!! Also The One Who’s Been Shipping The American Jobs Overseas And Destroying American Companies For A Living!! Just More Flip Flopping And Lying Like The True SOCIOPATH Romney Really Is!!! LOL

          • old_blu

            That’s funny “running Romney against Romney” I might plagiarize that, with credit to you of course.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            LOL You Got My My Vote To Use What You Want!! Anything I Said Is Your To Use My Friend!!!

          • 345_719

            I agree!!

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            345: So??
            Is THAT your post??
            Man, no wonder these moronic libs on this site are doing worse than ever ….

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YHZJNCBCSPUIGHGQZPFWW4KIYY tshirtrock

        I suppose you have never watched Obama flip flops and lie videos, which are abundant. Perhaps you should see what your president flip flopped on huh?

        • http://twitter.com/jmprint Mary Martinez

          No, please enlighten us.

        • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

          Screw You Tea Bagging Troll That’s All Romney Do Is Lie !! Why Don’t You Catch Up With Your Fox Fake News Crowd And Shut The Hell Up Taking To Me You Tea Bagging Faggot!!!

          • BDC_57

            I like you fern you tell as it is .

        • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

          tshirt, rhetoric, without facts is just rhetoric.

        • BDC_57

          tell me where he flip flop letys see the facts.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            They Have No Facts They Just Make Shit Up As They Go Along!! Racist Tea Bagging Trolls!!! They Learned That From The Best Romney With His Lying Ass!!! LOL

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            Fernie girl: No Fernie girl, YOU (and your 5 MORONIC ” Likes”) are the ones that make “SHIT” up (your words, you moron)…. and you are going to lose soooooo badly on November 6th, you Communist Occupy Wall Street Leftist PIG !!
            You are pathetic, Fernie Foul Mouth !!

        • 1guy2

          T, We already have,perhaps you should review your info on both of them.

    • adler56

      If his sons were against him running it was probably just their selfishness- like his- the last time he ran and lost he spent $70 million of his own money- I’m sure they feared he would spend more of “their” money this time. They’re nothing to be proud of either.

      • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

        I Hope All These Lying Thugs Lose Their Money On Betting On This Lying Thug!! They May Just Gang Up And Beat Romney Lying Butt!!!

    • http://twitter.com/jmprint Mary Martinez

      He wants to accomplish one thing that his daddy didn’t, acquire the title President of the United States. He doesn’t care who he squashes. I just can’t believe how many women are willing to vote republican, wanting to take away our constitutional rights. Right that women have fought for decades.

    • bud2011

      Most of the persons commenting in this forum have drunk the liberal Obama kool-aid and when their hero is trounced in a debate because he is inept, the appologists claim that Romney lied, it was the altitude, his dog ate his debate notes.
      Obama has a failed administration, with a staff of clowns, and a failed domestic and foreign program. You want to see lies, watch the numbers the government agencies start publishing, starting with unemployment numbers. Don’t believe anything the government tells you.

      • bcarreiro

        today the unemployment rate has fallen and has added 114,000 jobs.

      • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

        bud, rhetoric without facts is just rhetoric. Something you might want to know: (What am I thinking! of course you don’t want to know this.) Unemployment is below 8% this morning.

      • BDC_57

        you just another tea bagger that don’t have any facts to back you up of what you say. Romney is the biggest flip flopping liar there is and is facts that back tis up.

      • BDC_57

        Where your facts? I see you tea bagging trolls not giving us any facts. the only things I see you saying is lies just like your Leader Romney says.
        I see you saying all the lies rush blow up doll says.

      • old_blu

        Hey! bud I heard that exact same thing from the blow up doll Rush just this morning, it’s some sort of government conspiracy they are doctoring up the numbers to make Obama sound better. ROTFLMAO.

      • Dave_dido

        Do you mean the same unemployment numbers that Romney and the GOP have been using up to now to denigrate the Prez.? You evidently were OK with the reliability of those numbers when it suited your purpose. At least be consistent,bud.

    • neece00

      Barack is a much better person than Romney and for him to call him on these points or argue with him would represent him coming down to his level which I don’t think would happen.

    • jarheadgene

      His incentive….so he can say like Bush …It was cool to be famous and powerful.

    • 345_719

      The way he stood there with that stupid grin and flapping his mouth was pathetic.

  • bcarreiro

    so smithers…what is your plan again???

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Jones/827014412 Daniel Jones

    The press needs to REAM him if he’s trying to literally make up stories and get the media to accredit them.

  • daniel bostdorf

    Romney is a two faced liar.
    Conason correctly states:

    “Lying again? Indeed, the falsehoods flowed on every conceivable subject. Concerning energy, Romney claimed that “about half” of the renewable energy firms that received federal assistance under Obama administration programs went bankrupt – a claim that cannot be justified by any measure. Of the 28 firms that got federal loans or loan guarantees, three went under, representing under 11 percent — and less than five percent of the funds committed. (This assertion was so blatantly untrue that the Romney campaign withdrew it the next day.)”

    He likes to tell the lies and keep them simple and keeps repeating them hoping the masses will believe him. That’s called propaganda. We finally saw the fascist come out.

    Here’s an example of a ROMNEY LIE on the failure of Obama’s economic policy:

    “And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we’ve gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can’t find work.”

    HERE ARE THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.

    HE LIED in asserting that Obama came into office “facing 23 million people out of work.” At the start of Obama’s presidency, 12 million were out of work.

    Romney lies. It’s part of his fascism that has shifted to the forefront. I am am happy to see the real Mitt…because he’s not fit to be president.

    ANOTHER BALDFACED LIE:
    ROMNEY stated incorrectly that Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”

    HERE ARE THE FACTS:
    Romney lied about the Independent Payment Advisory Board being able to ration care. This is a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act.

    EVEN MORE FACTS:

    Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. It simply does NOT HAVE power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe. Romney’s lie is resurrecting the false demagogue assertion that Obama’s law would lead to rationing….Sounds like Pailn lie that has been widely debunked. The board has yet to be named. Its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.

    As Conason alludes to, Romney lied about his own position on taxes, education and the outsourcing of jobs.

    Where’s the money in the Caymans? How about the jobs you outsourced to China? And hundreds of other examples of your complete lack of care for the 47%. Got you on videotape on that one. That exposed your real personalityas well.

    Romney lies, lies and lies along with Ryan, and the right wing media, and Rove et al swear to it.

    Propaganda and lies disguised as truth.

    Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

    or as Adolph Hitler stated:
    “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

    We don’t want what Romney and Ryan are really selling…LIES…..

    EJ Dionne stated it best in his thoughtful article:
    “Having hidden his Massachusetts health care plan behind “Repeal Obamacare” rhetoric in the primaries, Romney warmly embraced his own plan — without explaining why repealing a national health care system modeled on his plan would in any way be consistent with his sloganeering against the president’s central achievement.”

    Conason::
    “There is no study proving that Romney can do what he promised – and among his lies is his description of editorials in Tthe Wall Street Journal as “studies” of his plan. The most complete and unrefuted study of his claims remains the Tax Policy Center’s bipartisan report on the Romney plan, which shows that there is simply no way to pay for his $5 trillion, across-the-board tax cut without raising taxes on the middle class. None of the alternative studies he has cited proves otherwise – and some of them actually amass additional evidence that he is wrong.”

    STOP lying to us Mitt..we see through your etch-a-sketch attitude towards the truth. You don’t believe in the truth. Only fascist propaganda.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YHZJNCBCSPUIGHGQZPFWW4KIYY tshirtrock

      The VERY true thing is, I can take and hour and compile a list of Obama’s lies, what will you say then? Sadly extreme liberals (and I am a liberal and voting for Obama but not off my rocker like most of you people), don’t acknowledge for whatever reason that all of these candidates LIE. Personally I have grown to accept that it is part of the process. I can watch flip flop Obama vids on Gay Marriage, Health Care penaltys, Taxes, War, YEAH AND SO WHAT? You extreme left people are really in denial.

      Vote for our POTUS, but my GOD if you think he doesn’t lie and hasn’t, you might as well drink and go to AA Meetings. Denial is a tuff piece of meat to chew when you don’t know the difference between your steak and the bone.

      • old_blu

        You should have mention the extreme right in there also, other wise you sound like a tea bagger, and that is why we are on the defence because of what we get from them.

      • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

        Tshirt, Daniel listed the lies. You just shout, “liar” without listing lies. Factcheck always lists all the lies in a debate. Why don’t you start there. I will admit that President Obama could have done better. Romney says in 29 years of business he didn’t know he shipped jobs overseas. He has businesses in several companies, including Poland and China. I wonder if he thinks people think he runs them by robots from computers in the United States.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/EGAAZPJYNYDFTEAU2CBDHJF5M4 Roz

          Well said Maggie. I think the president was very Presidential. He explained what Romney’s plans for the country were but did not resort to actually calling him a liar. I don’t know about you but I was insulted by what Romney said on that stage. I have been following him and listening to what he has said and now he thinks I am stupid and will believe what he is yelling over the moderator.
          If what he said at the beginning about repealing Obamacare completely but all of a sudden, what the President had the courage to implement, he would keep. He also wants to keep some of the Dodd-Frank rules but before he wanted none of it. Also if he is so proud of what he did in MA why can’t some of the poorest states (RED)in the union benefit from it? Now How Dumb Am I? Not that dumb Mr Romney.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ralph-Lackey/100001785091603 Ralph Lackey

            Right Roz, but the President needs to call these liars out for what they are. Hopefully Vice President Biden, who usually tells it like it is will call out Mr. Ryan and MAKE him explain this -so called- plan. The Republicans are not going to play this game with any honor leaving the Democrats no choice but to get down there and roll in the mud with them.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mariel.frazilus1 Marie L Frazilus

        No one said that Obama never lie. All politicians lies, but Romney give another definition to the word. One minute he said he did not care for 47% of americans who received Government aid the next day he love all of us. Which one is true.

        • BDC_57

          Neither one is true Romney does’nt care for anyone else but, his rich buddies.

      • CPANY

        Ok. Take that hour, compile a list of what you assert are Obama’s lies and post them on this website. Instead of generalized bullshit, which your hero Romney spouts, give us some specifics.

        • 345_719

          Good call CPANY

      • Tom_D44

        very will stated.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ralph-Lackey/100001785091603 Ralph Lackey

        Daniel backed up his comments with facts. Your comments tshirtrock, on the other hand are just opinion not backed up by fact. You should know better.

    • lana ward

      Since Romney is such a liar, why didn’t Obama call him out on it? Did he need his teleprompter to tell Romney he is a liar? Why was Obama just standing there looking like a dumb dunce? He spoke 4 minutes more than Romney, why didn’t he stand up to him and call him out?

      • neece00

        I, personally, think he was stunned and speechless, to think that someone could lie so boldly and not blink an eye in the process.

        • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

          Why Are You Wasting Your Time Trying To Explain To This Tea Bagging Home Schooled Brain Dead Troll!!! If She Don’t Know Romney Has Been Lying And Flip Flopping All This Time That’s Cause Her Brain Is DEAD!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/mariel.frazilus1 Marie L Frazilus

        I ask myself the same question. But I realize Obama was surprise by Romney lies

      • http://www.facebook.com/helen.ferguson.52 Helen Ferguson

        He did not have to reply. Romney shouted his lies out to everyone to hear.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/P3NXX7AD64NWRRT65INAEULVEU Don

          Romney is constantly putting his mud soaked shoe into his mouth. He lied so much about the taxes and doing my own math with my calculator found out he would have no money to run the government or for the troops in the other lands.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/P3NXX7AD64NWRRT65INAEULVEU Don

        Obama is smart. When Romney talked, he just let him tell all the lies, especially about taxation. Wait until the next debate and see Obama coming ahead, maybe by 60-40 percent.

      • Peoples425

        Obama gave the facts and has been tired of calling out lies that the republican GOP machine has been churning out and everyone believing it. He even stated during the debate that the math does not add up and said that “if you want to believe in the promises that Romney is putting forth then do so, but it does not add up”. The fact is that had President Obama came out “swinging” it would’ve looked like the stereotypical “angry black man” and would’ve played into the philosophy of the GOP. The fact of the matter is that Romney is using enough rope to hang himself.

        • Cairndance

          I think the President was allowing Romney all of his lies. Now wait for the commercials showing the flip/flops!
          How are Romney (and Ryan) able to look themselves in the mirror and call themselves Christians, when all they do is lie?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1553426301 Bradley Brooks

        With the number of lies Romney let loose where to start was the issue, they were restricted to how much time for response… Obama spent the evening correcting the Mr. Romney leaving little time to call him a liar. Look at all of the headlines that evaluated the statement made by Romney and the truth is out now.

        liar liar

      • maggiemar

        Maybe because he is a dumb dunce and as much a liar as you say Romney is. If people would really study and look at a lot of what Obama has proposed and already done they might see not is all what it is claimed to be.Both sides lie but this is a man who claimed to be above the fray. Well for four years I’ve been waiting for Obama to prove this, still waiting. We shall see who is right if he gets reelected . I don’t feel I could vote to reelect him so great is my fear for what will happen to the country I love and what it used to be.

      • Justin Napolitano

        It’s coming Lana. Obama will not let him get away with his BS again. I can’t wait for Biden to confront Ryan. Biden will not take his shit.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GCXB2EABXANRR2IK7QHS3TAPOU ROBERT C HASTINGS

        Many people are disappointed in Obama’s lackluster performance Wednesday night. However, that should not cloud the basic issue that the differences between Obama and Romney are as clear as night and day, and the differences between the futures we face if Romney is elected versus Obama’s being elected are enormous. If Romney is elected, we will have, for the last time in the forseeable future, an unemployment rate below 8%; we will see the rapid demise of Obamacare, and shortly thereafter Medicare and Medicaid; we will see the privatization of Social Security, the voucherization of public education, the dissolution of the middle class, a complete collapse of this nation’s infrastructure, and pretty much anything else that Romney has at one time or another advocated. Romney and his allies live in an alternate universe in which Hitler won the War. They just have not given much thought to the consequences.

        • lana ward

          Your outlook is EXACTLY what will happen under Obama. You people have all been fooled BIG TIME by the liar in chief

          • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

            And, at this point, you delineate the prevarications so we can know what they are.

          • lana ward

            Daniel Bostdorf’s speech, he is talking about Obama, not Romney

          • daniel bostdorf

            no–ROMNEY…

            When a candidate for President. Mitt Romney, and his running mate, lies, distorts the truth, pushes right wing propaganda on us…..it’s worse than “fuzzy math.” Particularly when there are blatant lies. Romney likes to tell the lies and keep them simple and keeps repeating them hoping the masses will believe him. That’s called propaganda.
            We saw and listened to a fascist running for president.
            Example of a ROMNEY LIE on the failure of Obama’s economic policy:
ROMNEY: “And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we’ve gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can’t find work.”
HERE ARE THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.
ROMNEY LIED in asserting that Obama came into office “facing 23 million people out of work.” At the start of Obama’s presidency, 12 million were out of work.
            ANOTHER LIE BY ROMNEY: He stated incorrectly that Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”
            
HERE ARE THE FACTS: ROMNEY LIED about the Independent Payment Advisory Board being able to ration care. This is a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act.
EVEN MORE FACTS: Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. It simply does NOT HAVE power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe. ROMNEY’S LIES are resurrecting the false demagogue assertion that Obama’s law would lead to rationing….Sounds like Pailn lie that has been widely debunked. The board has yet to be named. Its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.
            Romney lied about his own position on taxes, education and the outsourcing of jobs. Romney lies, lies and lies along with Ryan, and the right wing media, and Rove et al swear to it.
            “Fuzzy math” propaganda disguised as truth in a national presidential debate. Disgusting.
            Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)
            or as Adolph Hitler stated: “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
            Romney/Ryan: Keep giving us lies and “fuzzy math.” Because we will hold you accountable for your flip flops, and etch-a-sketch attitude towards the truth. …

          • lana ward

            Obama is the lie, and i’m sure we will all find out soon enough

        • daniel bostdorf

          Baloney…

          Read the 13 volume set of Will and Ariel Durant’s “History of Civilization” before you post here..

          Ignorance for you is bliss..

          The actual wording comes from Thomas Gray’s poem, “Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College” (1742): “Where ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise.”

          A little knowledge is a dangerous thing: This maxim, originally a line from Alexander Pope’s An Essay on Criticism (1709), has been repeated with slight variations ever since. It is still heard, although less frequently, and sometimes shortened, as in the example.

          A little Learning is a dang’rous Thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring.
          [1711 Pope Essay on Criticism l. 215]

          For shallow draughts intoxicate the brain
          And drinking largely sobers us again.
          Fired at first sight with what the Muse imparts,
          In fearless youth we tempt the heights of arts,
          While from the bounded level of our mind,
          Short views we take, nor see the lengths behind;
          But more advanced, behold with strange surprise
          New distant scenes of endless science rise!

          Note that the poem says “Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring.” This excerpt makes the quote the opposite of ‘ignorance is bliss.’ It means that learning little is a dangerous thing, and that you should learn a lot so too drink from the Pierian Spring, which is either defined as a spring in Macedonia, sacred to the Muses, or as a source of inspiration.

          Your shallow thoughts are embarassing ….Romney’s lies are worse…

          • alphaa10000

            Your tedious pendantry is toxic, even at a one-year half-life. As for relevant comments, you provided none, except to visit a library. One year later, I hope you have taken that advice, or continued to visit this website.

          • daniel bostdorf

            Firts of all—post with a real verifiable name—-quit hiding like atroll in a cave…

            A social media troll — like you are— as someone who seeks to lure or bait people into negative, disruptive rhetoric for their own edification or to commandeer an otherwise free-flowing discussion among colleagues.

            They don’t recognize anyone that may be interested in discussing something that bores them and opt to criticize or yell “boring” instead of engaging in the discussion.

            They choose to belittle those who seek the information and discourse as well as those who try to provide it. They simply have no interest in anything that is not self-serving.

            Trolls –like you–will defend their focus on expressing contrary opinions as an honorable attempt to rid the online community of fake-experts, get to the truth of a matter or enlighten their followers; however, their intent has nothing to do with community building or public enlightenment.

            I found your “photo” at your facebook page

          • daniel bostdorf

            As well as hiding behind a fake name—A social media troll as you have demonstrated you are is someone who seeks to lure or bait people into negative, disruptive rhetoric for their own edification or to commandeer an otherwise free-flowing discussion among colleagues.

            You don’t recognize anyone that may be interested in discussing something that bores them and opt to criticize or yell “boring” instead of engaging in the discussion.

            You choose to belittle those who seek the information and discourse as well as those who try to provide it. T

            You simply have no interest in anything that is not self-serving. Trolls will defend their focus on expressing contrary opinions as an honorable attempt to rid the online community of fake-experts, get to the truth of a matter or enlighten their followers; however, their intent has nothing to do with community building or public enlightenment.

            Post something rational and with your real name please…

      • 345_719

        No need he let rommney dig a big hole for himself with his mouth!!

        • lana ward

          The whole world watched. They saw a small weak Obama

          • daniel bostdorf

            When a candidate for President. Mitt Romney, and his running mate, lies, distorts the truth, pushes right wing propaganda on us…..it’s worse than “fuzzy math.” Particularly when there are blatant lies. Romney likes to tell the lies and keep them simple and keeps repeating them hoping the masses will believe him. That’s called propaganda.
            We saw and listened to a fascist running for president.
            Example of a ROMNEY LIE on the failure of Obama’s economic policy:
ROMNEY: “And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we’ve gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can’t find work.”
HERE ARE THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.
ROMNEY LIED in asserting that Obama came into office “facing 23 million people out of work.” At the start of Obama’s presidency, 12 million were out of work.
            ANOTHER LIE BY ROMNEY: He stated incorrectly that Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”
            
HERE ARE THE FACTS: ROMNEY LIED about the Independent Payment Advisory Board being able to ration care. This is a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act.
EVEN MORE FACTS: Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. It simply does NOT HAVE power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe. ROMNEY’S LIES are resurrecting the false demagogue assertion that Obama’s law would lead to rationing….Sounds like Pailn lie that has been widely debunked. The board has yet to be named. Its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.
            Romney lied about his own position on taxes, education and the outsourcing of jobs. Romney lies, lies and lies along with Ryan, and the right wing media, and Rove et al swear to it.
            “Fuzzy math” propaganda disguised as truth in a national presidential debate. Disgusting.
            Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)
            or as Adolph Hitler stated: “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
            Romney/Ryan: Keep giving us lies and “fuzzy math.” Because we will hold you accountable for your flip flops, and etch-a-sketch attitude towards the truth. …

      • louisy8

        because he is a bully, he has nothing to prove to Mitt, he the Pres.

        • lana ward

          Do you think the “pres” was proud of what the whole world saw in that debate?

          • louisy8

            The Pres. told the American people was he will do for them. what Mitt will do and how will he pay for it? All Mitt said see me about that the elec. so there

      • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

        Goshamighty, lana, all you need to do is compare what he has been saying at his campaign rallies to see that he said one thing one time and something else in the debates.

        • lana ward

          No he didn’t, if he did Obama would have called him out on it. He didn’t, and the world was watching

      • daniel bostdorf

        Since you ahve no idea what ‘rope a dope” or head fake means….not worth bothering to try an explain to you..

        More lies and propaganda pushing from lana ward…

        This post is aRepublican, Rove, right wing, FoxFauxNews dis-information…

        Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

        “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

        or as Adolph Hitler stated:

        “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

        lana and you fascist folks here that post have every right to be a fascist. But behind your fascism is stupidity. Ignorance, a highly uneducated view of the world, no sense of history and a host of other personality traits that are unbecoming of being an informed citizen.

        But you DON”T have the right to impose that stupidity on those of us who ARE educated, well read, have a sense of history, and know truth from lies.

        You see…a famous comic stated: “You can’t fix stupid.”

        I agree. “You can’t fix stupid fascist and right wind demagoguery.”

        So the majority of people here who post have to put up with you paid fascist Karl Rove right wing propagandists “disinformation campaign operatives” that you are a part of….knowingly, or willingly.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mariel.frazilus1 Marie L Frazilus

      Romney is not use to people tell him no, so he will lie for the rest for his life. Someone should teach Mitt that the trust set you free. Mitt money did not give happyness, lying to the americans people not going to make you a better person. With all that money and power I am better off that you, because I can sleep at night without fear. REMEMBER GOD IS LOOKING BACK AT US.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/P3NXX7AD64NWRRT65INAEULVEU Don

        GOD IS SEEING EVERYTHING ROMNEY IS DOING AND GOD IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE MORMONS HAVING A SECOND BIBLE. GOD IS EVEN UPSET WITH RYAN, A CATHOLIC, WHO HAS TO GO TO CONFESSION TO LIE ABOUT ALL THE THINGS HE HAS SAID. I AM LUCKY AS I HAVE JESUS AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR, SO I AM PROTECTED PHYSICALLY FOR THE PRESENT AS WELL AS SPIRITUALLY FOR THE FUTURE. I LEAVE ALL THESE THINGS IN THE HAND OF GOD.

        • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

          The Only Thing These Lying Thugs Believe In Is Money And How Much They Can Hoard!!!

      • lana ward

        Obama is the one who isn’t used to being told no. All the MSM has done is lie and cover for him. That was apparent in the debate, he couldn’t even stand on his own feet. He doesn’t know what confrontation is, and couldn’t handle it!

        • Sick of everything

          Ya I don’t think you know what your blabbering about. The Pres was pretty calm and preferred to state facts and be specific unlike his opponent. Was the Pres a little unprepared yes but at least he told the truth and didn’t act like he had hit the crack pipe before the debate like Romney appeared to have done. Romney has been practicing for a friggen year, the Pres has been a little busy. Your right that the Pres is not used to people getting in his face and telling him no, but you can bet your sorry ass the next debate will be different. Besides, no matter what that sleez ball Romney says we all know he’s a pathological lair. Most of everything he spouted has been determined to be untrue like pretty much everything he says, wake up woman!! Ignorant moron.

          • lana ward

            Obama was the one on drugs, his big, buggy, spooky looking eyes. Standing there looking like a doof. Yea, he’s been busy on tv, on talk shows, hanging with “stars”. He didn’t care, he even said he was bored with practicing for the debate. Romney told the truth, Obama didn’t refute it. It’s hard to practice lies without a teleprompter telling you what to say, and it is obvious Obama couldn’t talk without it!

          • patuxant

            Tell me. What is it like, Lana, being a neo-Nazi?

          • lana ward

            I know what I saw. If you think that makes me a neo-Nazi, so be it

          • patuxant

            Good. Get it out there, Lana. You are a piece of work.

        • daniel bostdorf

          More lies and propaganda pushing from lana ward…

          This post is aRepublican, Rove, right wing, FoxFauxNews dis-information…

          Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

          “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

          or as Adolph Hitler stated:

          “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

          lana and you fascist folks here that post have every right to be a fascist. But behind your fascism is stupidity. Ignorance, a highly uneducated view of the world, no sense of history and a host of other personality traits that are unbecoming of being an informed citizen.

          But you DON”T have the right to impose that stupidity on those of us who ARE educated, well read, have a sense of history, and know truth from lies.

          You see…a famous comic stated: “You can’t fix stupid.”

          I agree. “You can’t fix stupid fascist and right wind demagoguery.”

          So the majority of people here who post have to put up with you paid fascist Karl Rove right wing propagandists “disinformation campaign operatives” that you are a part of….knowingly, or willingly.

          • lana ward

            You just wrote another comment about Obama, he repeats his lies over and over and half the country believes him. Eventually you’ll see what a fraud he is. Many are starting to see now

          • patuxant

            You need a reality check, girl. Everyone knows Romney says one thing one day and a different thing the next. His staff has to keep mopping up after him each and every time he opens his yap. One day he is pro-choice, next day pro-life. One day eliminate the ACA and the next parts he will keep. ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC…..

          • lana ward

            Apparently the country believes him, he’s pulled ahead of Obama

          • patuxant

            Whatever, Lana…nice try…if your pal Mitt wins and you are one of us in the middle class, good luck!

          • lana ward

            Romney and Ryan will save the middle class–Under Obama, there won’t be a middle class. Just rich and poor-makers and takers

          • patuxant

            No, they will save their millionaire, billionaire buds as they have been doing for the last 12 years or more. What private sector jobs has Romney created when he closed factories/shops and sent labor overseas? What faith does he have in this country when all of his funds are overseas in various banks accounts, which by the way he doesn’t want anyone to know about. And for you, as a woman, what rights will you have to chose if your R&R combo take over? And whatever your position-pro choice or pro-life- you still have no right to dictate to other women what they do with their own bodies. Also, equal pay for women doing the same job. One could go on and on.

          • lana ward

            Biden’s performance last night—4 states that were lean Obama are now in the toss up catagory. Michigan, Pennsylvania and 2 others

          • patuxant

            keep in touch…let’s see what happens….

    • lana ward

      It’s NOT Romney you’re talking about in your little speech—IT’S OBAMA!!!

      • awakenaustin

        Oooo! That is a pithy response. Is this your version of “so’s your mother?”

      • Justin Napolitano

        Lana, Lana, Lana, you have to learn a little something about reading comprehension.
        Daniel was addressing what Romney said and how he lied, giving facts and figures on each and every item. Now if you can’t dispute what Daniel wrote with facts and figures of your own then you don’t have a leg to stand on. So please tell us your version of what Daniel cited and don’t leave out those pesky little facts, OK?

      • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

        lana, honey, you need to present some statistics instead of rhetoric. I listen to all their speeches all the time and I know what they say. You let the drugster play on your mind.

        It is scary when a party wants to destroy one party and take over the other one. That has been done in history.

        • lana ward

          Maggie honey, did you watch the debates? Obama was the one who was on drugs. and for MONTHS Obama has run ads lying about and trying to destroy Romney. Romney is the complete oppsite of Obama’s LYING ads–the people agree, Romney is a decent, smart man that LOVES his country

          • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

            Unlike you, I have watched all the speeches, interviews and did watch the debate. I also watched both conventions. And, unlike you, I can understand what they are saying. You need to watch without bias and you cannot do that.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/P3NXX7AD64NWRRT65INAEULVEU Don

      BIG BIRD FROM SESAME STREET IS NOT HAPPY THAT HE MIGHT BE GOING OFF THE AIR WHEN ROMNEY COMES IN BECAUSE HE WILL NOT SUPPORT THE PUBLIC CHANNELS AND ALL THE CHILDREN IN THE LAND WILL BE CRYING TO THEIR REPUBLICAN AND dEMOCRATIC PARENTS BEGGING THEM TO VOTE FOR OBAMA

    • http://www.facebook.com/joe.verdecanna Joe Verdecanna

      are you say the big o campain has not lied and you are not lying, i have looked up the facts and you are misinformed or lying you my be the fascist,,

  • old_blu

    I see where Romney says he was wrong about the 47% now also, after he got all the Tea Baggers to defend him on that, he keeps this up he may lose them too, somehow I think they will spin into what an honest person he is. LOLOL…… (flip flop flip flop)

    Obama/Biden 2012

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      OMG!! Even Fox Fake News Said Romney Was Lying To The American People!!!LOL

  • Jim Lou

    Like it or not Obama didn’t rebut the lies. Why not?

    • johninPCFL

      If you’re prepared for facts and get 180 degree about-face lies, you have no preparation.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/WV7S7KW33KEVN553OCEYZILIN4 Bill

      I ask the same question. And think it is not politically correct to call a person a liar in that setting. Did he get away with those lies? I don’t know. The American people are not very smart. Did you know that Romney went to England in the running up of the Olympics games and told them they were not properly prepared for the games?
      Well they laughed at him and ridicule him. We all know that the Olympic was a success. He did it with the aim that if it was not successful he could use it as a political tool to say he did say so. But he never mention it. And the American press never mention what he said. Guess what he is going to lie again but this time they will be prepared to deal with Mitt. When I was listening to the debate Mitt said somethings that his boys keep saying things hoping if they said it long enough it will be true. He did not know he was telling the intelligent people who were listening that his boys are liars. We know who they take after.

      • old_blu

        He was telling the American people that ‘The apple don’t fall far from the tree”.

        • Justin Napolitano

          Yes, old_blu I do remember Romney saying he knows, from experience with his sons, what a lie is. If Obama had only said that Romney then should know what lies he telling the American public.

    • old_blu

      He didn’t have to Romney was loud and clear with them all.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Obama has way too much class. However he will confront Romney on his BS the next time.
      I also think Obama was flabbergasted by what he was hearing.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EOOP2CLTD4BKLDVZT6QW7PDOCI Robert M

    Want to better understand the Republican strategy? Just read “Mein Kampf” it”s all right there.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      We Know LIE, LIE, LIE, WE GET THAT, BUT THAT ONLY WORKS ON DUMB AND STUPID PEOPLE!!! Like Rick Santorum Said ” We Will Never Have The Smart People On Our Side” Like I Said That Only Work On The Dumb And Stupid People!!!

  • sisterH

    Mitt was great. O’s hate was clear…..he got schooled and nobody was there to protect him or tell him what to say. O needs a brain transplant in the days between now and the next debate. All the coaching in the world can’t change the fact that O is a fraud.
    We are going to be witnessing the most corrupt campaign by O and his crew over the next few weeks. The bottom line is that O doesn’t really care about people. Power is his goal. Facts are going to be manipulated ….reports and stats twisted all for political gain. It’s sick how this man has degraded the position of the United States President. The whole world is wondering how we ended up with such a fraud of a man. What he does is usually the opposite of what he says.

    • old_blu

      After what happened last night when he admitited he was liar, you are still defending him? *rolls eyes* Come on sister you can’t be that dumb.

      • http://twitter.com/jmprint Mary Martinez

        Oh yes she can be that dumb. Voting republican!

      • BDC_57

        She is that dumb can you see in her words lol

    • hellowoman

      Which flip flopping views do you actually think Romeny will follow?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/43ZQGGZPH4XAL3T4CNK5A2DTYE Bill

      You keep refering to O??? Your story sound like you discribe George W. Bush, the man who has done more harm to this great nation than anyone in history. Just imagine if he hadnt spent trillions of dollars on unjust and unwanted wars and robbed our economy by no regulation of our national banks and wall street. Read your recent history before you leap onto the BIG O.

    • Justin Napolitano

      SisiterH another Republican paid for hack.
      Your check in in the mail sister so you can go back to knitting your socks and sucking on something until we need you to post something stupid again. Thanks RNC

    • daniel bostdorf

      Go away sisterh who hides behind a fake name.

      Read the 13 volume set of Will and Ariel Durant’s “History of Civilization” before you post here..

      Ignorance for you is bliss..

      The actual wording comes from Thomas Gray’s poem, “Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College” (1742): “Where ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise.”

      A little knowledge is a dangerous thing: This maxim, originally a line from Alexander Pope’s An Essay on Criticism (1709), has been repeated with slight variations ever since. It is still heard, although less frequently, and sometimes shortened, as in the example.

      A little Learning is a dang’rous Thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring.
      [1711 Pope Essay on Criticism l. 215]

      For shallow draughts intoxicate the brain
      And drinking largely sobers us again.
      Fired at first sight with what the Muse imparts,
      In fearless youth we tempt the heights of arts,
      While from the bounded level of our mind,
      Short views we take, nor see the lengths behind;
      But more advanced, behold with strange surprise
      New distant scenes of endless science rise!

      Note that the poem says “Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring.” This excerpt makes the quote the opposite of ‘ignorance is bliss.’ It means that learning little is a dangerous thing, and that you should learn a lot so too drink from the Pierian Spring, which is either defined as a spring in Macedonia, sacred to the Muses, or as a source of inspiration.

      Your shallow thoughts are embarassing

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        danny boy: AGAIN ?? !! Again the same MORONIC message??
        You are obviously ” copying & pasting” from your very first stupid comment.
        Don’t you realize that all this C & P makes you look as the idiot that you are ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

      sister, are you a Catholic Sister or a member of the Mormon Church that refers to female members as sister? If you are a Mormon, the Mormon Church does not teach people to spew hate and to lie. You are so hateful, that maybe you should be re-baptised.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zoe-Brown/100000984759509 Zoe Brown

    I want news to report on msrepresentations. It’s for the good of the coutry

    • SaneJane

      The problem is that people who believe Romney’s lies want it to be true and will not read anything that says otherwise. They don’t care about truth.

  • adler56

    Romney is severely disturbed- psychologically. He knows he can never meausre up to his father- like dumbya- so he overcompensates by making money- the old fashioned way- stealing it.
    He is a pathological liar made worse in my opinion by the fact that he is a wuss – a girly man-
    he would probably blubber and cry if he was outed.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EQ5LTH2XTZCVP7G4FGK6Z2YTJE ignore the facts

    I’m way too old for Romney and Ryan’s fairytales. The sad thing is so few people actually read a newspaper today, or listen to anything but Hannity and his ilk. They are SO anxious to believe in fairytales that they swallow this junk hook, line, and sinker. It’s so sad that this country has so many lazy people in it when it comes to checking facts. It’s just so easy to think someone can SAVE them with no consequence to the things that are really important. What’s also important is to take notice of Europe that was shivering in their boots about the prospect of having to TRY to deal with this maniac. We all know how he behaves when he travels – the ultimate ugly American.

    • SaneJane

      Another thing they swallow are the forwarded emails being passed around. I got several yesterday from lifelong friends and they believe them wholeheartedly. I have fact checked all of them before and emailed my findings but to no avail. It takes about 2 minutes to check this stuff out but they want it to be true so do nothing.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mariel.frazilus1 Marie L Frazilus

        You will found some who beleived in faire-tell

    • hilandar1000

      You hit on another important issue that has not received much attention — “Europe, shivering in their boots about the prospect of having to TRY to deal with this maniac (Romney)”. All of our closest allies are voicing the same concern. When one travels to any of these countries, this is very clear. There are MANY campaign signs for Obama-Biden abroad, but you NEVER see one for Romney-Ryan. All the countries that we consider allies are totally mystified (and frightened) by the fact that ANY group of Americans would vote for someone who has proven time and again that he CANNOT be trusted on any level.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/43ZQGGZPH4XAL3T4CNK5A2DTYE Bill

        He was put there as a stooge by his political party of ultra conservatives who refused to work with the Obama administration. Scares hell out me.

      • Cairndance

        I traveled in Europe each year during the Bush terms, and almost everytime I told someone I was an American, I would be asked how “I” could have voted for an “Idiot”! As if I personally had done the deed! I was continually stating that I was not to blame for the results!

        I was also in Europe when Obama and Hilary were debating. Many people wanted one or the other, but LITERALLY EVERYONE, was excited about America finally having a President with intelligence once again!
        I was continually apologizing for Bush. Obama is much loved in Europe.
        You are right in stating that Europe is shivering at the prospect of Romney!

  • roskodog

    Because the Democrats are bigger Liars, I am now on the fence..

    • hellowoman

      You mean that Republicans are bigger liars.

    • BDC_57

      give me your facts then I will believe you the truth not the lie you leader romney says

    • Justin Napolitano

      How about an example roskodog and don’t bring up Guantanamo because we know the republicans blocked him from closing it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/timothy.pea.5 Timothy Pea

    Obama’s performance in the debates makes me worry about his stewardship during his last 3 months in office.

    • hilandar1000

      How do you debate any subject with a person whose premises are based on lies — and nothing else? You can only base your argument on facts. Romney bombarded the debate with so many totally outrageous lies, it would have been impossible to debunk them in the allotted time.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Obama is just fine, he was just flabbergasted by what was coming out of Romney’s mouth. Believe me he will be prepared to confront that lying sack of shit the next time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lynaria.evony Lynaria Evony

    Well all I heard was Romney saying he’s got plans to make changes but never stated what those plans are or how he will impliment them. Just basicaly danced around the subject then made faces and interrupted whenever the President tried to speak.

  • a80a

    does this man of great morman faith,so want the presidents job, he will to stoop to lying the way he does to get it? when a man of faith and wealth will lie to gain the power of the presidents office it is time to become wary, for he bears keeping an eye on. I think there is some underlying unforeseen reason the GOP choose him , rather than his ability to lead. let us be cautious.

    • neece00

      Thou shall not lie. That is not very Christian of him

      • CPANY

        Which Commandment is that? Number, please.

        • old_blu

          #9 “Thou shalt not bear false witness”

        • neece00

          I didn’t say it was a commandment, it is just not very christian for him to lie like he does.

        • Justin Napolitano

          Number nine, you shall not bare false witness against your neighbor.

    • CPANY

      I don’t think that Romney’s being a Mormon has anything to do with his lying. I think the “problem” lies in his being a businessman. I’ve noticed that businessmen are apt to lie more quickly than “ordinary” people, although “ordinary” people lie a lot, too.

      I used to do audits and was surprised by the number of lies that I uncovered when I questioned the client firm’s supervisory employees about the effectiveness of internal controls. When confronted with the evidence, few showed any sign of remorse or embarassment.

      The conclusion: Don’t believe what people, expecially business people, say unless you verify their statements independently.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Curci/1479137600 James Curci

    Slick Mitt R’money, a pathological liar and sociopath.

  • latebloomingrandma

    I lived through America’s great nervous breakdown of the 60′s, and the national nightmare of Watergate. Somehow we survived, but were changed. Sept. 11, 2001 was the next great schism in our nation’s history. With George Bush at the helm, and the decisions that were made, we still have not recovered from this. Yes, Barack Obama seemed to come out of nowhere, but instead of the country rallying together, we had a treasonous branch of Congress to blockade any progress. I am continually at a loss to explain why elected officials would act this way when so much is at stake. Or why this President, during such a tough time, has been shown such overt disrespect, with a cottage industry that has developed to devise conspiracy theories filled with nonsense and speculation, when said President is the embodiment of the American dream. With what has happened over the last 4 years, it is now laid at his feet that he didn’t “fix” the problems. The solution? Let’s elect the guy who has the the exact same ideas as George Bush, and the same foreign policy advisors who led us into 2 long wars, where it has almost bankrupted us, plus caused untold suffering to our soldiers and families, to what result? Who wants to re-live the lost, tragic decade of the 2000′s?

    • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

      Late, you are so right. I have never seen a president treated with so much hate and disrespect. They keep saying it is not race. Since that is the only difference in him and all the other presidents… The day after Obama took office; kids, on a school bus in Rexburg, Idaho, were chanting “assassinate Obama.” Eight days after he took office, Romney made a remark about his failed policies. Every president since Nixon has given a message to school kids. The superintendent of schools in district 93, Idaho refused to play his message and thought he was so cute. The thing that was so disturbing about that is no one came forth, from that district, to complain. And, then, there is the ugly rhetoric and signs.

      • YepThatTell

        yes, and the new GOP post-debate remarks about President Obama being ‘lazy’ or ‘lazy in his preparation for the debate’- is more racist code language.

    • YepThatTell

      Thanks for some more plain-spoken truth, from an other Grandma.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Thank you latebloom.

  • ninekids

    As I am rounding the corner to 80, Romney’s remark “We’re not going to let 80 year olds die in their apartments, we will take them by ambulance to the emergency room” rings in my ears. Will Romney pay for my trip to the the ER ($565) and will he pay for the daily ER rate ($3500+) for me? What compassion this guy has…guess he’s also assuming all we oldsters will be relegated to apartments unable to hold on to our homes because of having insuffcient medical insurance…crazy….I have no problem giving you my name…Joanne Smith, josmithl@aol.com.

    • mynx1

      That’s what Romney meant by people taking responsibility for their own lives. He cares about you and your situation, he just thinks that the gov shouldn’t have to pay for it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mariel.frazilus1 Marie L Frazilus

        I work hard so was my husband. After he passed away I lost his coverage. Do you really beleived that after 25 years of paying income tax I was not qualified to receive medicare. Not every american are fortunate like you. To have everything. Some of us need an helping hand. I thank God everyday for people who care about the less fortune

      • neece00

        What do you think Medicare is. A government managed healthcare for seniors and the disabled. Do you really think that Romney cares about the seniors or anyone that is not in his billionair status?

      • YepThatTell

        Whoa…come back to reality…who do you think ends up footing the bill when an uninsured person goes to the Emergency Room when perhaps with preventative care and early intervention the most expensive hospital service – the ER – could have been avoided? We, the taxpayers!

        The ignorance of Romney’s remark about people ‘not dying in their apartments; we go pick them up and take them to the Emergency Room’ also floored me and his stupidity, disconnect with reality, and callousness were most certainly crystallized in that stupid, shameful, uninformed remark. Maybe it was ‘inelegant’ too, eh, Mitt?

        • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

          You Got That Right My Friend That’s The Romney Way Causes More Debt For Others While He Rake In The Profits!! That Causes Us To Pay More For Doctors And Medical Fees!!! By Going To The ER For Treatment Cause The American People More Money!!!

        • daniel bostdorf

          Romney is so ignorant that he really meant ineloquent, not inelegant!

    • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

      Nine, I have went around the corner. And, I remember when there was no Medicare. I didn’t need it. But I remember how it was with my in-laws. We were raising a family and still had to pay their medical bills when they were elderly. All you younger people, think about it when you have the choice of letting them die or paying their medical bills. One of my husband’s hospital stays cost $770,000 and Medicare paid it. How would you like to be responsible for your parents’ medical bills at that rate?

    • neece00

      I was really floored at his solution for the uninsured, go to the emergency room. And that fixes the whole problem, the ER.

  • http://www.facebook.com/timothy.pea.5 Timothy Pea

    So Obama says the oil subsidy is $4 billion, Romney says not, it’s $2.8 billion. Who’s right? Obama didn’t stop him. I checked Romney’s source and he was right. Was Obama a liar? Obama said you could take a deduction on sending jobs to India, was he right? Romney called him a liar and Obama shrank.

    • daniel bostdorf

      You checked a right wing website….FoxFAUXnews reported it and Limbaugh the propagandist parrot hept it going…

      Read the 13 volume set of Will and Ariel Durant’s “History of Civilization” before you post here..

      Ignorance for you is bliss..

      The actual wording comes from Thomas Gray’s poem, “Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College” (1742): “Where ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise.”

      A little knowledge is a dangerous thing: This maxim, originally a line from Alexander Pope’s An Essay on Criticism (1709), has been repeated with slight variations ever since. It is still heard, although less frequently, and sometimes shortened, as in the example.

      A little Learning is a dang’rous Thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring.
      [1711 Pope Essay on Criticism l. 215]

      For shallow draughts intoxicate the brain
      And drinking largely sobers us again.
      Fired at first sight with what the Muse imparts,
      In fearless youth we tempt the heights of arts,
      While from the bounded level of our mind,
      Short views we take, nor see the lengths behind;
      But more advanced, behold with strange surprise
      New distant scenes of endless science rise!

      Note that the poem says “Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring.” This excerpt makes the quote the opposite of ‘ignorance is bliss.’ It means that learning little is a dangerous thing, and that you should learn a lot so too drink from the Pierian Spring, which is either defined as a spring in Macedonia, sacred to the Muses, or as a source of inspiration.

      Your shallow thoughts are embarassing

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        danny: YOUR shallow (and sooooooooooo repetitious) thoughts are embarrassing …
        You are the perfect moron …
        Tsk, tsk, tsk ….

  • William Deutschlander

    When you combine the Romney and Ryan LIES with the Republican Cartel’s VOTER FRAUD CONDUCT you have to be intelectually deplete to consider voting for such DISPICABLE, IMMORAL BEHAVIOR! Neither the LIES or the FRAUD are acceptable if there is any hope of maintaining DEMOCRACY IN THE U S A!

    Thank you President Obama for SAVING us from FINANCIAL DISASTER that the Republican Bush Administration cast our country into. President Obama and your Administration are owed the utmost thanks of every citizen of these United States, you have stopped the FINANCIAL DECLINE and placed our ECONOMY on a PATH of RECOVERY, without any help from the lame, incompetent, irresponsible Republicans in Congress.

    President Obama, I am a WHITE man registered as an Independent, you have my heartfelt thanks and my vote, you and your administration have done a tremendous service to our country during very, very difficult circumstances. God Bless You and God Bless the United States of America.

    • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

      William, there is something a little scary about a party that wants to destroy one party and take over the other one. Tampering with the votes reminds me of a history lesson about Germany in the 1930′s.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mariel.frazilus1 Marie L Frazilus

      I second it

    • YepThatTell

      As a WHITE woman, formerly registered Independent in 1971 but switched to Democrat in 1991 after learning what it’s really like to be a small-businessperson and somewhat how it feels to be disenfranchised by the (then GOP) administration in power, thank you for your clarity and trying to speak sense and truth to those who refuse to open their eyes, ears, and minds. Yes, may God bless us all: protect this man, our President, Barack Obama, who is trying to work for all of us; may God help us erase racism and prejudice, and expose and reject the false prophets.

      • Justin Napolitano

        Thank you yepthattell, Your comments gave me a chill and a tear.

    • BDC_57

      Well said I like what Obama has done and I am also white.

      • 345_719

        I also agree!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YHZJNCBCSPUIGHGQZPFWW4KIYY tshirtrock

    ROFL. The hole, is no where near deep yet. How many years do you think Obama needs to not blame the previous administration for the problems he inherited? 4? 5? 6? how about 8? You leftists are so lost. Let’s be clear. I am voting for Obama, he is the lesser of 2 evils. I infact am a liberal. But YOU PEOPLE are out of your skulls with denial and blinders. You think Obama doesn’t lie? Grow up and wipe the smoke from your lenses. Damn, how lost are you folks. Obama leftists are like cult followers, you think he is the new Jesus. It is hilarious to watch you all follow the man on your knees.

    • http://twitter.com/jmprint Mary Martinez

      It sound to me you are looking in the mirror and describing yourself. YOU PEOPLE.

    • YepThatTell

      Obama may not be perfect and yes, he is a politician, but the choice this election is crystal clear. I support President Obama not as a ‘cult follower’ but as a thinking, voting citizen.

    • Justin Napolitano

      That is a good question tshirt but I have a few also. How many years does it take to fix the shit hole that Bush left this country? How many years does it take to undo the damage done to Iraq, 40,000 American soldiers, of whom, 4000 are dead and the 100,000 iraqis that are also dead? How many years does it take to get the hell out of Afghanistan? How many years does it take to recover from the second greatest decline in our economy, orchestrated by the Bush administration, since the great depression. If you can answer my question you will also have answered yours.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Read the 13 volume set of Will and Ariel Durant’s “History of Civilization” before you post here..

      Ignorance for you is bliss..

      The actual wording comes from Thomas Gray’s poem, “Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College” (1742): “Where ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise.”

      A little knowledge is a dangerous thing: This maxim, originally a line from Alexander Pope’s An Essay on Criticism (1709), has been repeated with slight variations ever since. It is still heard, although less frequently, and sometimes shortened, as in the example.

      A little Learning is a dang’rous Thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring.
      [1711 Pope Essay on Criticism l. 215]

      For shallow draughts intoxicate the brain
      And drinking largely sobers us again.
      Fired at first sight with what the Muse imparts,
      In fearless youth we tempt the heights of arts,
      While from the bounded level of our mind,
      Short views we take, nor see the lengths behind;
      But more advanced, behold with strange surprise
      New distant scenes of endless science rise!

      Note that the poem says “Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring.” This excerpt makes the quote the opposite of ‘ignorance is bliss.’ It means that learning little is a dangerous thing, and that you should learn a lot so too drink from the Pierian Spring, which is either defined as a spring in Macedonia, sacred to the Muses, or as a source of inspiration.

      Your shallow thoughts are embarassing

    • daniel bostdorf

      LIKE YOU tshirtrock….The right wing fascists called Republicans and/or Teaparty had its propaganda mastermind, Karl Rove, its billionaire friends like the Kch Brothers, and the media outlets of Fox”news,”, Limbaugh, Beck, and a dozen others to shove down the collective throat of American their intentional lies, distortions and bizarre theories about Obama.

      Could you quit spreading them like a crazed parrot?

      This “playbook” by Rove and others is nothing new. Fascists need to create imaginary enemies. They play off the 6th grade education and racism of their fanatic followers who are conveniently in a depression era economy created by Bush and Wall Street/big bank greed.

      Somehow it’s illegal immigrants that are causing the problem? What lies!

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels (like Foxnes, Limbaugh, beck and Rove believe) said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
      or as Adolph Hitler stated:

      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”

      
The 1930′s had the Brown Shirts.
The 1950′s had Joseph McCarthy
The 1980′s had Ronald Reagan
The late 1990′s had George Bush JR…

      
Today we have The Teaparty and the “red shirts.

      “
The American Right invented it’s imaginary Obama to try and get us to by into their fascism.
It didn’t work.
Obama is going to win.

      Electoral College alone will assure that.

      I suggest that you read two things before you post here again:
      The 13 volume set of Will and Ariel Durant’s “The History of Civilation,” and “The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich” by William Shire.

      If you don’t….keep lying to us AS YOU DO ALL THE TIME just like your fascist propagandist friends…

      ps Why do you hide behind a fake name? You a Karl Rove operative? Sounds it…

    • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

      tshirt. I don’t belong to a party. Your brilliant dissemination of facts and lack of name calling has made up my mind to vote for Romney.

  • nomaster

    Looks like Willard the Ratman pulled out his bag of tricks and amazed Obama. Now Big Bird is one of the 47% er’s. Lies poured like cream from the sky everytime the Ratman would open his mouth. Now he’s flip flopping again denying the 47% er comments on Fox Boob.

    • neece00

      And Elmo is right behind him.

      • BDC_57

        rotfl

  • montanabill

    Joe, get a grip. The fact checkers showed your man was telling the bigger whoppers. But then, that is what he specializes in. Good news. He has his teleprompter back and can talk tough again.

    • ObozoMustGo

      Hey Montana! I hope you are well. Long time no chat. In reply to your post, here is a pic of the TOTUS.

      POTUS – TOTUS = EMPTY SUIT

      [Click image to enlarge]

      Have a great day!

      “You can only confiscate the wealth that exists at a given moment. You cannot confiscate future wealth — and that future wealth is less likely to be produced when people see that it is going to be confiscated.” – Thomas Sowell

    • CPANY

      ObozoMustGo:

      I’m sorry to see that you’re back. Are you proud of that piece of shit Romney and his lies?

      On another matter: I checked your statement that Glass Steagell was repealed under Clinton. You’re right. It was. What you forgot to say, though, is that when that happened, the Republicans had the majority in both houses of Congress. Clinton could have vetoed that legislation and the Republicans would not have had enough votes to overturn his veto.

      So, why didn’t Clinton veto the law that killed Glass Steagell? Perhaps he made a deal to withhold his veto in return for the Republican members of the House of Representatives to vote for acquittal in Clinton’s impeachment trial. Just a thought. I don’t know enough about the timing to have a strong opinion.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Of course, montana you were talking about Romney, right?

    • ExPAVIC

      MORE?

      More bullshit from the cold mountains.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B5QUXT6TTCRWLVS2BKN2TKVBPA JoseY

    I don’t think robney is a professional liar and fraud manipulator. That is why people of Massachusetts hate him.

  • ObozoMustGo

    Joe Conason, head useful idiot at “The Memo” once again attempts to carry the water for his messiah, Obozo, in light of the fact that Obozo got his a$$ kicked all over that stage on Wednesday night. The one clear message of that debate was this: Two men on stage. Obozo was the incompetent fool. Romney was the man in charge. It doesn’t need to be any more simple than that.

    Take the TOTUS away from the POTUS and it is clear that Obozo is completely lost. Only in friendly crowds with a teleprompter can Obozo sell his snake oil to a willing group of fools. And no matter what his gaffes or lies or mistakes, the leftist freaks and useful idiots in the media are there to cover up and paper over anything the incompetent Obozo says or does. The debates take away his cover and it is clear that the emporer has no clothes.

    By the way, no need to fact check Obozo in that debate. It was clear to anyone watching that he had no idea what the hell he was talking about and whatever came from his pie hole was automatically discredited as complete bullsheet.

    [click image to enlarge] This is what Romney did to Obozo in the debate. hehehehe

    Have a nice day!

    “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency…Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.” – Czech Republic newspaper Prager Zeitung

    • http://twitter.com/jmprint Mary Martinez

      ObozoMustGo. You have not liked Obama from day one. You are just plain prejudice.
      Read, stop watching Fox, better yet continue and then switch to REAL news like Rachel Maddoux (sp) Show. Do a little research. Unless you have millions in the bank, you are NOT going to do better with Romney, who is clueless of what it’s like being in the 47% or 99% for that matter.

      • CPANY

        ObozoMustGo has told us in a previous posting that he is rich, so it’s understandable thta Romney is his choice. We do tend to vote our pocket, prejudices, etc.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Mary, of course I have despised Obozo from the time I learned that he adheres to socialist philosophies. His mom was a socialist, his father a rabid anti-colonialist, his mentor Frank Marshal Davis a card carrying member of the Communist party USA, his grand parents were leftists, by his own admission in his books he chose to hang out with the most radical and leftist people on campus while at college….. need I say more? Crap… the knuckle head Obozo never attended a 4th of July parade growing up. He has no traditional attachment to American values. His policies reflect this. All the people he surrounds himself with in his regime are radicals. He governs through executive orders like a dictator blowing off Congress and the Constitution. He stokes the flames of class warfare (to which you are obviously foolish enough to believe) and racial politics. What the hell else do you need to know about the jerkoff before you too agree that this piece of crap Obozo needs to be thrown the hell out of office before he totally destroys America? You’d vote for him if he was caught on tape performing lewd acts with a child, and you know it. You are an Obozo zombie.

        By the way, that Rachel Madcow is one butt ugly dude! I’m just sayin…. And her program is NOT news, you dope. It’s opinion and commentary. And her opinion is decidedly leftist freakish like yours. I do watch her often. I don’t need to hear people tell me what I already know. I come here to be challenged by those that have opposing views. You should try the same.

        Have a nice day!

        “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency…Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.” – Czech Republic newspaper Prager Zeitung

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/43ZQGGZPH4XAL3T4CNK5A2DTYE Bill

          Bozo., your statements and discriptive adjectives apply to our former president who got us into all the social and economic problems of today. And I wish you a nice day too, spend it studying your recent political historyj.

        • Justin Napolitano

          To repeat, The danger oboxo, is that anyone would care one thousandth of an iota what the fuc* you think or say. You are a constant thorn in the side of this and other message boards that attempt to have an intelligent discussion. No one cares about the hateful puke, spewing from your brain. Moreover, it is tiring to follow you around and dispel any notion that you have any coherent thought on any subject.
          Please do everyone a favor and disappear.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        Mary: ” REAL news like Rachel MADCOW” ??? !!!!
        Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
        Oh, brother ….

    • mynx1

      blah, blah, blah, Obama, blah, blah blah Hate, blah, blah, blah, nobody wants to vote with me,

      Obama 2012 and beyond :)

    • CPANY

      Romney lied through his teeth. Again. Like him, you make vague assertions such as “…the emperor has no clothes….” without offering any clear statement of what you mean or offer and substantiation of your claims. Romney is a shameless liar and you cannot or will not see through them. You probably hate the fact checkers because they expose Romney’s lies.
      I imagine that you dismiss their work as lies from liberals.

    • Justin Napolitano

      The danger obozo, is that anyone would care one thousandth of an iota what the fuc* you think or say. You are a constant thorn in the side of this and other message boards that attempt to have an intelligent discussion. No one cares about the hateful puke, spewing from your brain. Moreover, it is tiring to follow you around and dispel any notion that you have any coherent thought on any subject.
      Please do everyone a favor and disappear.

    • daniel bostdorf

      MUSTGO…OBOZOMUST GO!

      AS AN IDIOT GADFLY AT THIS SITE, YOUR PERPETUAL FASCIST POSTS HIDING BEHIND A FAKE NAME LEADS ME TO BELIEVE YOU ARE A PAID DISINFORMATION OPERATIVE OF KARL ROVE’S PROPAGANDA MACHINE..

      LIKE YOU….The right wing fascists called Republicans and/or Teaparty had its propaganda mastermind, Karl Rove, its billionaire friends like the Kch Brothers, and the media outlets of Fox”news,”, Limbaugh, Beck, and a dozen others to shove down the collective throat of American their intentional lies, distortions and bizarre theories about Obama.

      This “playbook” by Rove and others is nothing new. Fascists need to create imaginary enemies. They play off the 6th grade education and racism of their fanatic followers who are conveniently in a depression era economy created by Bush and Wall Street/big bank greed.

      Somehow it’s illegal immigrants that are causing the problem? What lies!

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels (like Foxnes, Limbaugh, beck and Rove believe) said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:

      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
      The 1930′s had the Brown Shirts.
The 1950′s had Joseph McCarthy
The 1980′s had Ronald Reagan
The late 1990′s had George Bush JR…
      Today we have The Teaparty and the “red shirts.”
      The American Right invented it’s imaginary Obama to try and get us to by into their fascism.
      It didn’t work.
      Obama is going to win.

      Electoral College alone will assure that.

      I suggest that you read two things before you post here again:

      The 13 volume set of Will and Ariel Durant’s “The History of Civilation,” and “The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich,” by William Shire.

      If you don’t….keep lying to us AS YOU DO ALL THE TIME just like your fascist propagandist friends….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        daniel: Tu es loco.
        1) Don’t ever call anybody an ” idiot”, you perfect idiot.
        2) Stop ” copying & pasting” over and over and over and over, the same advice about Goebbels, Hitler and the ” 13 volume set …” , blah, blah, blah …

        Remember the quote from ObozoMustGo, a man who can run rings around you 25 times before you can even notice what ” hit” you:

        “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency…Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.” – Czech Republic newspaper Prager Zeitung

      • ObozoMustGo

        danny b…. only the most committed leftist freak like you can hear the truth and think it’s a lie. Obozo got his skinny little a$$ absolutely kicked all over the stage by a smarter, more well prepared and polished Mitt Romney. It wasn’t even close. Even the leftist freakshow MSLSD knew and admitted that Romney wiped the bottom of the garbage can with Obozo like the dirty rag he is. When the biggest arm of the Obozo propaganda machine even admits it, you know it’s true. 80% of Americans knew it also. Only 20% of the people out there are complete morons. Count yourself in the 20%, buddy! :-)

        [click on image to enlarge]

        Bwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha

        ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

        Have a nice day!

        “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell

    • ExPAVIC

      BACK AGAIN?

      Christ man, you are an idiot. What duds are you going to wear for the American Taliban Republican Party’s wake?

      Judging from new news, it is becoming obvious the ATR has committed harikari and is waiting for the dirt pile to fall on them.

      What did you expect after choosing the “best” from Cain, Perry, Santorum, Bachman, Gingrich and Mittens? How do you make a silk purse out of such a collection of sows ears? Hell’s bells, even George RoMoney couldn’t and wouldn’t vote for his lying, fact distorting son.

  • peteserb

    Liars? What would you call a “News” agency that knew Obama to be a total fraud? A homosexual, with a sham marriage. A chicago bath house homosexual, pushed by Jesse Jackson and Rev Wright who knew of his proclivities? A national media who knows but refuses to tell the public?

    • CPANY

      Probably nonexistent. Pete the Serb: Where did you get all this crap? A sham marriage and he’s got two kids? Are you on drugs? I’m no fan of Obama, but some of your “facts” are absurd.

      Sounds like something that Mitt the Shit would say.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Shut the fuc* up peteserb. You are just as pathological as Romney. Where in the hell did you get that BS? Please go back to snuffing your glue and let intelligent people have a discussion.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RGOUPZ3JYNMPBVOHLZRCRVRD6Q ivory69690

    simply read ur good book and there he will be the anti-christ romney

  • Lovefacts

    I hope Obama gets some ads out there that show the date of Romney saying one thing–like the day before the debate–or multiple dates, and what he said at the debate. All they have to say is, “Will the real Govenor Romney step forward?” And then show what he’s being saying on the stump pre debate.

    Between is flip-flops and the lies, Romney is a flawed candidate, and I’m being kind.

  • CPANY

    Romney is apparently a strong proponent of the adage that one should never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

    I’m less angry at Romney than I am at Obama for not jumping all over Romney for his lies. I’m also mad at the moderator Jim Lehrer for allowing Romney to debase the debates by allowing his lies to go unchallenged. If the future debates are not to descend into the Denver debacle, there needs to be present a “fact checker” to challenge known falsehoods.

    That Romney is a lying scumbag is all too evident when he’s examined after the heat of the debate. Unfortunately, the voting public doesn’t have the knowledge to see through him. That explains the results of the poll of undecided voters. This guy is a real piece of shit.

  • tobewan

    Romney is the best the Republicans can come up with? A candidate without a conscience? An habitual liar? Who smiles while telling them? While 40 million people are watching?
    Would that all Americans had eyes to see that Romney is NOT made of presidential-minded stuff. His drift of “I will do this and that” echoes the running of a corporation, like Bain, eg. America is NOT a corporation. America’s government should be “OF the people, BY the people, and FOR the people of the United States – NOT independent States, NOR just for the wealthy 1%, but for US ALL.

    • CPANY

      Reminds me of an old saying: “Look ‘em in the eye and lie.”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/U7A55FXSKEA6R3252URAAJXBP4 John

    media is trying to throw election to obama. when they are unemployed i will laugh at those idiots. Obama has no leadership skills and neither does romney. It is pathetic with all the great and smart americans we can’t find any good people for president.

    Conasion is another biased media can’t think for himself somethnig but i don’t know what

    • daniel bostdorf

      Baloney….you have no original thoughts other than a “bumper sticker” mentality response.

      The right wing fascists called Republicans and/or Teaparty had its propaganda mastermind, Karl Rove, its billionaire friends like the Kch Brothers, and the media outlets of Fox”news,”, Limbaugh, Beck, and a dozen others to shove down the collective throat of American their intentional lies, distortions and bizarre theories about Obama.

      This “playbook” by Rove and others is nothing new. Fascists need to create imaginary enemies. They play off the 6th grade education and racism of their fanatic followers who are conveniently in a depression era economy created by Bush and Wall Street/big bank greed.

      Somehow it’s illegal immigrants that are causing the problem? What lies!

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels (like Foxnes, Limbaugh, beck and Rove believe) said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:

      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
      The 1930′s had the Brown Shirts.
The 1950′s had Joseph McCarthy
The 1980′s had Ronald Reagan
The late 1990′s had George Bush JR…
      Today we have The Teaparty and the “red shirts.”
      The American Right invented it’s imaginary Obama to try and get us to by into their fascism.
      It didn’t work.
      Obama is going to win.

      Electoral College alone will assure that.

      I suggest that you read two things before you post here again:

      The 13 volume set of Will and Ariel Durant’s “The History of Civilation,” and “The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich,” by William Shire.

      If you don’t….keep lying to us John just like your fascist propagandist friends….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        daniel: Your assertion that everybody should read ” the 13 volume set of Will and Ariel Durant’s “The History of Civilation,” and “The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich,” by William Shire.” , is plain, unadulterated BALONEY !!!
        You have ” copied and pasted” this very same INANE comment/advice DOZENS of times.
        Remember that, with a few (very good) exceptions, the idiots that ” post” on this cesspool of Occupy Wall Streeters and Socialists are just that, IDIOTS who, like you, could never understand “The 13 volume set of Will and Ariel Durant’s “The History of Civilation,” and “The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich,” by William Shire.”
        Give everybody a break from your obvious ignorance !!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000624404633 James Curran

    Daniel:
    I agree with you but could you tell me how you really feel about mitt the lip.

  • Canistercook

    They all ‘lie’ or bend the facts a little to win. The question is how intelligent are the voters?
    I do question what value my vote has when it can be cancelled out by someone who cannot get a GED after so many years of opportunity to get educated.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hgarciaahumada Hector A Garcia

    I can’t understand. How republicans, can accept a liar as a candidate? and How the Free Word will see USA if this liar wins the election? 6O million people watched Romney to lie shamlessly. To debate a Liar is like to debate a drunk man!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

      Hector: Come on, don’t be a fool!
      The “Free World” ALREADY sees the USA in a bad light because it ALREADY has a pathological LIAR as its President !!
      Wake up !!

  • totenkatz

    Really Liar amazing.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PRWXGACONT4KR7SQEF7JXWONKE rufus

    the american people had better listen to mit Romney and use thier brain to see the truth. Obama plan is not working .If I, was him I would admit that my plan is not working and give someone else the chance to get things back on track.

    • Sand_Cat

      If “Obama plan is not working,” and the American people are actually so foolish as to think ANY change is good and “give someone else [i.e., Mitt] the chance to get things back on track,” Obama’s plan is likely to look like the most brilliant and effective plan ever by the time “someone else” gets through. If you vote for him, you certainly deserve Mitt’s “plan.”

      • AMADAL

        Why is it that RoMoney stated it will take him 8-10 years to correct the economy while at the same time only giving Obama less than 4 years–plus RoMoney would not be starting in as deep a hole as Obama started in.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/43ZQGGZPH4XAL3T4CNK5A2DTYE Bill

      President Obamas plans for america would work a lot better is the republican president Bush had not incurred trillions in loans from China to pay for is games in Iraq and afganistgan. The Tea Party idiots of NO in our legislature should also be included in the decline of our america They knew the only way to beat Obama was to deny him professional and political cooperation, at the expense of our citizens.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Oh BS rufus, the stock market has doubled… do you get that doubled during the Obama’s administration and many people have made serious money because of that very fact, If you have a retirement plan then you are more secure than you were when Bush crashed the economy and left town. Five million confirmed jobs have been created during Obama’s 3.8 years in office and the economy is well on its way to recovery.
      Please stop supporting Romney a known liar of biblical proportions.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Ignorance about Romney is bliss..

      The actual wording comes from Thomas Gray’s poem, “Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College” (1742): “Where ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise.”

      A little knowledge is a dangerous thing: This maxim, originally a line from Alexander Pope’s An Essay on Criticism (1709), has been repeated with slight variations ever since. It is still heard, although less frequently, and sometimes shortened, as in the example.

      A little Learning is a dang’rous Thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring.
      [1711 Pope Essay on Criticism l. 215]

      For shallow draughts intoxicate the brain
      And drinking largely sobers us again.
      Fired at first sight with what the Muse imparts,
      In fearless youth we tempt the heights of arts,
      While from the bounded level of our mind,
      Short views we take, nor see the lengths behind;
      But more advanced, behold with strange surprise
      New distant scenes of endless science rise!

      Note that the poem says “Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring.” This excerpt makes the quote the opposite of ‘ignorance is bliss.’ It means that learning little is a dangerous thing, and that you should learn a lot so too drink from the Pierian Spring, which is either defined as a spring in Macedonia, sacred to the Muses, or as a source of inspiration.

      Your ingnorance about Romney is embarassing.

  • http://twitter.com/14hei William Heiland

    If the media does not hold Mitt Romney accountable for his total disregard for the truth, then they should not air the debate at all. If you are running for the highest office in the land, you should be more honest in what you say. A elementary school student would understand what he was saying could not be true!

  • dljones

    What debate did Consan view? Maybe he is upset with the proposed casting out of Big Bird. Maybe he is critical of Romney as Obama’s leadership remains a national crisis. Obama is accountable for every failed policy. As a Socialist/Marxist, it is his way or the highway. Obamacare is invasive, unaffordable, and any plan must be dismanteled, redefined and administrated at the state level.
    Currently in effect: Bill HHS pg. 1,961-1-1,971. A $50,000.00 excise tax if charitable hospitals fail “commmunity health needs” . Evident Federal government has defined charitable.
    And there is more: Tax on innovator drug companies: A 2.3 billion annual tax on share of sales (not profits)HHS pg. 1,971-2,004. Real incentive for the advancement in medicine.
    And more: Increase in payroll Medicare Taxes: Jan. 2013, 15.2 billion increase. pg 2,000-2,oo3.
    And to make your Christmas cheery: When Santa comes down the chimney this year, he”ll have to save room in his sack for Uncle Sam’s gifts. Government collects $21 billion of cumulative $69.1 billion spent on presents, consuming nearly a third of Christmas gift giving.
    Ill take Romney’s 20% tax reduction and closed loop holes before Obama’s tax increases.
    And a special shout out to Stephanie Cutter as an equal at lying as Obama.

    • old_blu

      Okay so you think that his 20% and closing loop holes, is were he was telling the truth?

    • Sand_Cat

      Your calling Obama a “Socialist/Marxist” shows that you are so far out of touch with reality you probably need someone to change your diapers.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/43ZQGGZPH4XAL3T4CNK5A2DTYE Bill

      Its obvious to me that you have done very little research on Mr. Romney and his 20 percent tax cut. How is he to run the government? By originating 12 million new jobs that pay 433K a year thats how and if you believe that you believe big bird is the chief in charge of the henhouse.

    • Justin Napolitano

      I hope some day that you dljones do not get a serious illness in your life that requires very expensive treatment that goes on for several years. Perhaps if you did you would know that this very scenario is what millions of Americans face every year and many of them do not have insurance because they have been priced out of the market, have lost their jobs or have a preexisting condition that renders them uninsurable. I hope you never face that situation because people may just tell you to go somewhere and die just like you suggested others to do.

      • dljones

        Obviously you missed Romney’s explanation in the debate or refuse to think beyond what Obama tells you. Romney is going to kill the AHC and allow the states adopt health care provisions indicative of individual needs. Subsequently, each state will have their own safety net for health care or allow individuals search out private care. Now,take your bleeding heart dialogue to fellow liberals of like minds.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Absolute complete utter lies, distortions and Republican right wing propaganda…

      Quit listening to Fox FAUX news.

      • dljones

        Daniel:: Lot to choose from, a real buffet of information. What part did you not believe? Can’t be all. No president can do that much damage?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/P3NXX7AD64NWRRT65INAEULVEU Don

    Oh, Obama was well prepared as he allowed the Romney all the time he needed to tell the American people all these lies. It looks like obama really won. All this reducing taxes, how is Romney supposed to run the country with all these tax deduction plus asking Congress for 316 billion dollars to give to all the waealthy people in this land including sending even more of his money to other lands since he does not trust the banks in the US of A

  • jimmab52

    Let’s give him his a real name that matches his personality and ethic’s MITT-NOCCHIO

  • Bob Williams

    It’s obvious by Romney’s track record that he knows nothing about business, and has just been a hanger-on for his entire adult life. He probably didn’t have two cents to rub together before he decided to run for office.

    Oh, wait! That’s Obama I am talking about. Never mind.

    • Sand_Cat

      It’s obvious that some people know nothing about law, morality, honesty and good faith, and reality. That’s you.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Bob, how can you support Romney, a confirmed psychological liar by any measurement you desire?.

  • ayayaboy

    I am angry with Obama why he could not tell Romney to stop lying to the American people. .. Remind Romney of all his claims during the Republican primaries. We all know that Romney is a liar and a fraud but Obama needed to say it to his face. One day Romney will repeal Dodd-Frank, another time Romney would praise the good things in Dodd-frank. Romney will tell Tea party that he will repeal Obamney care before the cock crows thrice, romney would say that there are lots of good things in Obamacare. Romney will tell Republican audience that Hispanic illegals must self-deport but will on TV debate say “we cannot round up people on the street”, but Romney is a big supporter of Arizona hostility against Hispanics. Romney proposes voucher system but says it will kick in after our generation. Why can’t Obama tell Romney to say how to handle present and not things of 30th century. Why can’t Obama tell Romney in his face that he had opportunities to create jobs with Bain but he instead fired people and made money firing people; he shipped jobs overseas; sent out his money to offshore when America needed cashflow; he is not coming clear about his career at Bain Capital; he is yet to prove his trustworthiness and fiscal patriotism with his tax returns; ask Romney whether he also supports Planned Parenthood today since he seemed to talk liberalism on debate floor? Ask Romney that he today sounds like anti-Tea party and anti-Arizona governor. How about asking Romney if he really doesn’t want to be president of the 47% welfare victims who will vote Obama? With these, Obama would have won the election that wednesday night. I travelled to Europe and watched the debate in a Bar and the Europeans said Obama left his supporters biting their fingers … Is this Obama or someone else? Some said Obama missed an opportunity to call out Romney-the-liar; others said Obama allowed the liar lie his way through the debate. Some European poked fun at Obama’s performance saying “a Havard lawyer could not argue his case against a fake businessman.” Obama must step up to revealing the rhetoric fakeness of Romney.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TJNSZD4HIXUCOAKXMQZCIUST34 JOEL K

    I have read comments made in reference to the debate. There is a lot of emotions in the comments, but insufficient logic and rational thinking. Emotions do have there place in life. However, when picking a neurosurgeon do you pick the one you like or the one that is proficient?
    I am a retired licensed psychotherapist. I have done psychological evaluations. I do have some capacity to assess human abilities and personality traits.

    Romney is bright, intellegent, confident and well prepared. Romeny has experience of personal success. A can do attitude.

    Obama is insucure. Alone without others support Obamas insecurity was manifested in his non-verbal communication as to eye voice contact, how he held his head and mouth moments. Obama was prey. Romney saw Obama become meek and confused and with doubt so he became very aggressive and assured with confidence. Obama gave up. Obama was beaten and he non-verbally admitted it. Otherwise he would have challenged Romney rather than withdrawing into himself.
    Obama was braw beaten. Obama was weak.

    Romney shows authentic self-esteem from prior life experiences while Obama has psudo-self-esteem. Obama knows he is not capable to stand up to Romney.

    I would like the observation by other licensed professionals who had observed the debat to give there professional judgement of the behaviors of Obama and Romney.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/43ZQGGZPH4XAL3T4CNK5A2DTYE Bill

      Im 79 years of age and no longer a professional of anything. I watched the debate. It really doesnt matter how our president looked or reacted. He heard one agressive lie after another and I think he was flabergasted. He definatly was put on the defensive and could have pointed out the many lies and exagerations made by Romney, especially his pie in the sky tax plan. Obama could have gotten down and dirty and pointed out Romneys insecurity of the last two years, vascilating, changing his mind and down right lieing. This is standard tea party manuvers, if you gotta lie, tell it so everyone is confused, some just might believe these lies. Im surprised he didnt mention Obamas birth certification, religion and education, more tea party smoke screens. How in hell can any citizen who investigates the Romney claims can support him is beyond me. As for our presidential emotional make up, hell, he is the president, he doesnt have to get down in the gutter with republican fabrications.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JCDYOUQPDL6RBF2WIQY7IHJ4BM batavier

    Lies, usually, STAND OUT GLARINGLY in the absence of immediate rebuttal – especially when the originator already has a well-known reputation for molesting truth in pursuit of personal ambition!

  • jarheadgene

    That was the same way I felt the weekend Romney chose Ryan. They both came out DEFENDING Medicare and saying Obama Stole, and they used the word “stole”, $716 billion from it. I was in shock and disbelief.

  • jarheadgene

    Well said….unemployment report came out today….7.8%…..Lowest in a long while.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4IKTWFDZTTAVBDTRFL6TTX7BMY 606

    Never underestimate the stupidity and laziness of the low-info American electorate. This debate likely influenced a lot of voters. It was painful to watch a seemingly unprepared President Obama let so much BS spew from Romney without any rebuttal. He has to come better prepared for the next one.

  • Justin Napolitano

    Romney is a pathological liar and possible would do sexual harm to his own mother to win the presidency. His lies are beyond belief and need to be called out by every single publication that has even the slightest integrity.
    His claims, in the debate, are at best ridicules and at worst so embedded with lies that even a child, casually paying attention, would know they were having their intelligence questioned.
    It is not just the job of President Obama to call him out and accuse him, straight up and to his face of being a despicable liar but also the media. Come on media speak up or quit claiming to be anything other than a wing of the republican party who is to never be trusted or believed.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TSXJFRILGK4CAP34FDYCKMZYSY Regina Lighteard

    Wow! Excuses, excuses! I don’t care if Mitt Romney showed up in purple and with yellow hair! Yes, he spewed lies, like the etch-sketch he’s known for; and was very passionate in supporting the 1%, and proudly announced to 60 millions viewers he would do away with “Big Bird”! We shouldn’t make excuses fo President Obamas unpreparedness! You don’t have to be prepared to counteract a liar! Big Bird wouldn’t had stood looking unprepared and stupidfied, Big Bird would’ve fought for his job and called lying Romney out!

    • Justin Napolitano

      How do you debate a person who will not even acknowledge that the sky is blue and the sea is green? How does one debate a pathological liar. I don’t know and neither did Obama. However, the next debate will be a different story and expect Romney to be called out on his mendacity. I fully expect Joe Biden to call Ryan a liar right to his face and also say that his boss is just as big a liar as him.

  • AMADAL

    Will the REAL Mitt Romney please stand up? You never know which incarnation will present itself.

  • elw

    Romney has a pathological need to lie. I sat through that debate with my mouth hanging open, especially when he bold-faced called the President a liar. How do you debate someone who out and out lies? His base will believe everything he says, because they want to. Romney’s whole debate was targeting them. He should be ashamed of himself, but will not be. One thing for sure he should not be President, so vote and make sure everyone else you know does as well. There are far more people who stand left-of-the-center than those who stand to the right. If we all do our job and vote, Romney will become no more than a discussion for the historians.

  • Justin Napolitano

    A Big Bird to Romney!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

    Romney would not know what truth is even if it slapped him in the face.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Ignorance for Romney is bliss..

      The actual wording comes from Thomas Gray’s poem, “Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College” (1742): “Where ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise.”

      A little knowledge is a dangerous thing: This maxim, originally a line from Alexander Pope’s An Essay on Criticism (1709), has been repeated with slight variations ever since. It is still heard, although less frequently, and sometimes shortened, as in the example.

      A little Learning is a dang’rous Thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring.
      [1711 Pope Essay on Criticism l. 215]

      For shallow draughts intoxicate the brain
      And drinking largely sobers us again.
      Fired at first sight with what the Muse imparts,
      In fearless youth we tempt the heights of arts,
      While from the bounded level of our mind,
      Short views we take, nor see the lengths behind;
      But more advanced, behold with strange surprise
      New distant scenes of endless science rise!

      Note that the poem says “Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring.” This excerpt makes the quote the opposite of ‘ignorance is bliss.’ It means that learning little is a dangerous thing, and that you should learn a lot so too drink from the Pierian Spring, which is either defined as a spring in Macedonia, sacred to the Muses, or as a source of inspiration.

      Romney’s thoughts are embarassing

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        daniel: You are so full of ” it” ….

        • daniel bostdorf

          At least I have a brain and can put together sentences and observations so that the free exchange of ideas here stays on point, yet, doesn’t put up with “bumper sticker mentality” posters like you.

          Go redad a book ok?

          Start with the 13 volumne set of Will and Ariel Durants “The History of Civilization,” and then read Willian Shieres “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reivh.”

          TRhen…you are qualified to post here.

          Unless of course you don’t know how to read, and simply listen to FaxFAUXNews all day…

  • lazycs

    lets see Barak and his dems have added $10T to the national debt in just 6 years, but for some reason refuse to take credit for it. As Joe Biteme said today that barak and the ems plan on raising taxes by $1 Trillion next year.
    that when the W tax cuts the average family will see a $5,000 increase in their annual taxes. that Obamacare adds $1 Trillion a year to the deficit.
    Even Chuck Schmer has said that 80% of alll federal stimulus $$ for green energy went overseas

    • daniel bostdorf

      LIes…

      • onedonewong

        Yea reading isn’t your friend better to listen to the Messiah and the Rev Wright

        • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

          donewrong, When reverend Wright got frustrated and made an unfortunate comment, it hit the news big. President Obama quit his church.

          Now, do a little research and find out whose religion taught racism until 1979.

          Find out about a 14-year-old boy who was beaten to death inMississippi. He was visiting cousings and was from Chicago where norms are different. The reason for his punishment: He want into a country store and forgot to keep his eyes down in the presence of a white woman. One of the murderers passed the plate in which church on Sunday? And this was after the trial.

          You have no right to judge the reverend when you have not walked in his shoes.

          • onedonewong

            He got frustrated?? You mean EVERY WEEK on the pulpit??? Barak was there for all the hate and racist spewing and only left because he thought it might hurt his election not that he disagreed. Barak has never denied that he considered Wright his moral compass.
            What religion taught racism I would assume it was the baptists, the same church that King came from.
            Find out about the 18 year old men who have been gunned down in Afghanistan and Iraq due to Barak’s rules of engagement that places more value on moooslim lives than our own troops

          • http://www.facebook.com/maggie.croft.92 Maggie Croft

            onedone, you might be right. I can’t dispute that without getting copies of his sermons and I have never been to his church so you might have some inside information that I don’t.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Here are examples of a ROMNEY LIE on the failure of Obama’s economic policy:

      “And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we’ve gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can’t find work.”

      HERE ARE THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.

      HE LIED in asserting that Obama came into office “facing 23 million people out of work.” At the start of Obama’s presidency, 12 million were out of work.

      Romney lies. It’s part of his fascism that has shifted to the forefront. I am am happy to see the real Mitt…because he’s not fit to be president.

      ANOTHER BALDFACED LIE:
      ROMNEY stated incorrectly that Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”

      HERE ARE THE FACTS:
      Romney lied about the Independent Payment Advisory Board being able to ration care. This is a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act.

      EVEN MORE FACTS:

      Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. It simply does NOT HAVE power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe. Romney’s lie is resurrecting the false demagogue assertion that Obama’s law would lead to rationing….Sounds like Pailn lie that has been widely debunked. The board has yet to be named. Its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.

      As Conason alludes to, Romney lied about his own position on taxes, education and the outsourcing of jobs.

      Where’s the money in the Caymans? How about the jobs you outsourced to China? And hundreds of other examples of your complete lack of care for the 47%. Got you on videotape on that one. That exposed your real personalityas well.

      Romney lies, lies and lies along with Ryan, and the right wing media, and Rove et al swear to it.

      Propaganda and lies disguised as truth.

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

      We don’t want what Romney and Ryan are really selling…LIES…..

      EJ Dionne stated it best in his thoughtful article:
      “Having hidden his Massachusetts health care plan behind “Repeal Obamacare” rhetoric in the primaries, Romney warmly embraced his own plan — without explaining why repealing a national health care system modeled on his plan would in any way be consistent with his sloganeering against the president’s central achievement.”

      Conason::
      “There is no study proving that Romney can do what he promised – and among his lies is his description of editorials in Tthe Wall Street Journal as “studies” of his plan. The most complete and unrefuted study of his claims remains the Tax Policy Center’s bipartisan report on the Romney plan, which shows that there is simply no way to pay for his $5 trillion, across-the-board tax cut without raising taxes on the middle class. None of the alternative studies he has cited proves otherwise – and some of them actually amass additional evidence that he is wrong.”

      STOP lying to us Mitt..we see through your etch-a-sketch attitude towards the truth. You don’t believe in the truth. Only fascist propaganda.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Walter-Gregory/1390006447 Walter Gregory

    Romney and the GOP really need to stop under-estimating the intelligence of the American voter. Thier comments and lies are insulting and tend to show thier desrespect for the “average” citizen.

  • ridemybroom

    i dont think he lies folks…..just think he has alzheimers and he forgets what he says…seriously…ever noticed how red he gets in the face on tv…especially when he has that silly smirky grin on his lips…man has defintely got high blood pressure…know he must feel his face on fire somewhat…he has to with all those tall tales he is telling…cant help but to laff at him….seen OB laffing at him too…he knows..

  • http://twitter.com/outtamyhead91 Sahit A. Felix

    Romney and the GOP under estimate the American voter’s intelligence because they KNOW how uninformed and oblivious to the facts, they can be. They’re simply taking advantage of the lack of knowledge (or interest) in those cases. We are watching as they fool our nation. This is seriously fucked up.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OIWHIIHWEWBKKLVU4FQS3XQQKE Todd

    Poor Joe Conason. He has painted himself a picture of Mitt Romney, gleaned from all the Obama campaigns lies and distortions about Romney. When Mitt Romney comes on the stage and tells the truth about his, and Obama’s plans and programs, Joe can’t believe the truth. Even AP has said that Romney’s lines about his programs are the truth. It must be so hard to believe that everything has been told by Obama’s people, and all the lines Joe regurgitated in his columns, are all lies. Poor Joe.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Todd—we know who you are. You post here like a crazed Rove operative hiding behind a fake name.

      Romney is a two faced liar.
      Conason correctly states:

      “Lying again? Indeed, the falsehoods flowed on every conceivable subject. Concerning energy, Romney claimed that “about half” of the renewable energy firms that received federal assistance under Obama administration programs went bankrupt – a claim that cannot be justified by any measure. Of the 28 firms that got federal loans or loan guarantees, three went under, representing under 11 percent — and less than five percent of the funds committed. (This assertion was so blatantly untrue that the Romney campaign withdrew it the next day.)”

      He likes to tell the lies and keep them simple and keeps repeating them hoping the masses will believe him. That’s called propaganda. We finally saw the fascist come out.

      Here’s an example of a ROMNEY LIE on the failure of Obama’s economic policy:

      “And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we’ve gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can’t find work.”

      HERE ARE THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.

      HE LIED in asserting that Obama came into office “facing 23 million people out of work.” At the start of Obama’s presidency, 12 million were out of work.

      Romney lies. It’s part of his fascism that has shifted to the forefront. I am am happy to see the real Mitt…because he’s not fit to be president.

      ANOTHER BALDFACED LIE:
      ROMNEY stated incorrectly that Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”

      HERE ARE THE FACTS:
      Romney lied about the Independent Payment Advisory Board being able to ration care. This is a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act.

      EVEN MORE FACTS:

      Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. It simply does NOT HAVE power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe. Romney’s lie is resurrecting the false demagogue assertion that Obama’s law would lead to rationing….Sounds like Pailn lie that has been widely debunked. The board has yet to be named. Its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.

      As Conason alludes to, Romney lied about his own position on taxes, education and the outsourcing of jobs.

      Where’s the money in the Caymans? How about the jobs you outsourced to China? And hundreds of other examples of your complete lack of care for the 47%. Got you on videotape on that one. That exposed your real personalityas well.

      Romney lies, lies and lies along with Ryan, and the right wing media, and Rove et al swear to it.

      Propaganda and lies disguised as truth.

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

      We don’t want what Romney and Ryan are really selling…LIES…..

      EJ Dionne stated it best in his thoughtful article:
      “Having hidden his Massachusetts health care plan behind “Repeal Obamacare” rhetoric in the primaries, Romney warmly embraced his own plan — without explaining why repealing a national health care system modeled on his plan would in any way be consistent with his sloganeering against the president’s central achievement.”

      Conason::
      “There is no study proving that Romney can do what he promised – and among his lies is his description of editorials in Tthe Wall Street Journal as “studies” of his plan. The most complete and unrefuted study of his claims remains the Tax Policy Center’s bipartisan report on the Romney plan, which shows that there is simply no way to pay for his $5 trillion, across-the-board tax cut without raising taxes on the middle class. None of the alternative studies he has cited proves otherwise – and some of them actually amass additional evidence that he is wrong.”

      STOP lying to us Mitt..we see through your etch-a-sketch attitude towards the truth. You don’t believe in the truth. Only fascist propaganda.

  • delvyah

    How can you believe anything that Romney said. On day one, he will change . I think he is bi-polar

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2X5JFRVDIBZDZZBXBDXB2F7CUQ Hugh

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    If the debate had been judged on points, and there had been a deduction for distortions and outright lies, Romney might well have ended up with a negative score number.

  • incumbent

    With a clear vision of an alternative (to the Bush/Romney) program, Romney’s provocative — and inherently attractive — statement that he was not going to borrow money from China to pay for PBS, should have been turned around in a debate. Romney’s opponent could have acknowledged the linkage, but instead become adamant that money should not be borrowed from China to pay for Romney’s tax shelters, inherited wealth, a continuation of the Bush tax cuts, or any number of luxury items of the exceedingly wealthy: yachts, multiple vacation houses, etc., etc., etc. And the value of the PBS for the commonweal could have been stacked up against the value of those yachts and tax shelters for the commonweal. It’s lamentable that we don’t have an equivalent of the BBC in the U.S., one day we may get there, but certainly we should not go in the opposite direction.
    Both candidates seemed strangely reluctant to attack the disastrous Bush legacy, as was Obama when first elected.

  • uncsonny

    Our President was not prepared to confront a flip-flopper during that debate. He was ready to debate someone who would truthfully tell his positions on all of the important issues of our time. Romney the chameleon—changed colors before over 70 million people world wide. Lost count on the number of lies, but the fact checkers counted and verified approximately 26 lies in 38 minutes.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VAP5JRW6Q3PYVJ6ZDDDFMKWQBU Ernelle

    I hope the American people can see through these lies. Romney lies, lies, lies. He is only concerned about the super rich. Evidently he doesn’t like poor people, or middle class. Romney is a wolf in sheep clothing. America, don’t be fooled by these lies, wake up!

  • lolo49

    If Romney’s mendacity continues and, God Forbid, Americans believed Romney and wins, what kind of government will the US have, and how will that government be in the eyes of foreign governments? Will there be any member of the media who will passionate write on this lies so that the American people will know?

  • http://twitter.com/ichestang mind2mouth

    Romney came out swinging with lie after lie and looked like a fast talking salesperson trying to talk over everyone during the debate. I’m not letting Obama off for not doing a good job but at least he didn’t break any of the rules. On The Young Turks they showed a bit of video from the debate and it seemed to show that Romney had a cheat sheet that he was not supposed to have and at the end tried to pass it off to his sons. Commentators said that it might have been his handkerchief but I don’t think so unless he had so much starch in his handkerchief that it stood up like a sheet of paper and since Romney’s shown his willingness to cheat I believe it to have been a cheat sheet.

  • http://twitter.com/Luvagoo Tallulah Alice Mae

    Poor Obama; you could practically see the ‘what the fuck is happening’ running through his head during the debate. Yeah, he should’ve fought back much harder, but at the same time, I’m not really sure HOW…how d’you try to debunk the bullshit of something who is spewing their bullshit so perfectly confidently, without sounding like a desperate baboon? Rock and a hard place…

  • http://twitter.com/Luvagoo Tallulah Alice Mae

    Well this comment section is interesting ’cause we got loonies from both sides of the camp. Interesting. Normally it’s just the Romney supporters making no sense. Go, team!

    • daniel bostdorf

      Romney is a two faced liar.
      Conason correctly states:

      “Lying again? Indeed, the falsehoods flowed on every conceivable subject. Concerning energy, Romney claimed that “about half” of the renewable energy firms that received federal assistance under Obama administration programs went bankrupt – a claim that cannot be justified by any measure. Of the 28 firms that got federal loans or loan guarantees, three went under, representing under 11 percent — and less than five percent of the funds committed. (This assertion was so blatantly untrue that the Romney campaign withdrew it the next day.)”

      He likes to tell the lies and keep them simple and keeps repeating them hoping the masses will believe him. That’s called propaganda. We finally saw the fascist come out.

      Here’s an example of a ROMNEY LIE on the failure of Obama’s economic policy:

      “And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we’ve gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can’t find work.”

      HERE ARE THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.

      HE LIED in asserting that Obama came into office “facing 23 million people out of work.” At the start of Obama’s presidency, 12 million were out of work.

      Romney lies. It’s part of his fascism that has shifted to the forefront. I am am happy to see the real Mitt…because he’s not fit to be president.

      ANOTHER BALDFACED LIE:
      ROMNEY stated incorrectly that Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”

      HERE ARE THE FACTS:
      Romney lied about the Independent Payment Advisory Board being able to ration care. This is a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act.

      EVEN MORE FACTS:

      Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. It simply does NOT HAVE power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe. Romney’s lie is resurrecting the false demagogue assertion that Obama’s law would lead to rationing….Sounds like Pailn lie that has been widely debunked. The board has yet to be named. Its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.

      As Conason alludes to, Romney lied about his own position on taxes, education and the outsourcing of jobs.

      Where’s the money in the Caymans? How about the jobs you outsourced to China? And hundreds of other examples of your complete lack of care for the 47%. Got you on videotape on that one. That exposed your real personalityas well.

      Romney lies, lies and lies along with Ryan, and the right wing media, and Rove et al swear to it.

      Propaganda and lies disguised as truth.

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

      We don’t want what Romney and Ryan are really selling…LIES…..

      EJ Dionne stated it best in his thoughtful article:
      “Having hidden his Massachusetts health care plan behind “Repeal Obamacare” rhetoric in the primaries, Romney warmly embraced his own plan — without explaining why repealing a national health care system modeled on his plan would in any way be consistent with his sloganeering against the president’s central achievement.”

      Conason::
      “There is no study proving that Romney can do what he promised – and among his lies is his description of editorials in Tthe Wall Street Journal as “studies” of his plan. The most complete and unrefuted study of his claims remains the Tax Policy Center’s bipartisan report on the Romney plan, which shows that there is simply no way to pay for his $5 trillion, across-the-board tax cut without raising taxes on the middle class. None of the alternative studies he has cited proves otherwise – and some of them actually amass additional evidence that he is wrong.”

      STOP lying to us Mitt..we see through your etch-a-sketch attitude towards the truth. You don’t believe in the truth. Only fascist propaganda.

    • RealWorldJoe

      Go team let’s pull the country down further with a president that can’t debate his way out of a paper bag. How well do you think Obama really does with world leaders when he can’t even put a wantabe candidate in his place. Obama’s whole presidency has been smoke and mirrors hiding a man who can give a good speech (Teleprompter) but has little or no substance behind him.

  • loviep

    how can you report such crap ? The debate showed an articulate bright man dedicated to his country and the American Dream, ….His duty as a presidental candidate, is to know what he is talking about….why do you imply he lies ? just because Obama showed his true lack of abilities ? He is not prepared in anyway to represent this country as its President..A sad shame, but his record proves this…

  • loviep

    all have faults but the proof is in the pudding of the past 3/4 years,,,American cannot afford another four of this so called “Change”.

  • RealWorldJoe

    What amazes me is that Obama could not articulate or fallout one lie. Did Obama lie when he said passing his stimulus unemployment would never be above 8%. Did he lie when he said he would cut the deceit in half? Did he lie when he said Lybia was caused by a video nobody saw? Romney is prepared to call out lies and Obama has been president for 4 years he should be ready for these tactics.

  • fmrusmcrntx

    Reading this GARBAGE by Conason is like reading a FAIRY TALE! Clearly Mr. Conason is nothing more than a flack for this radical, corrupt & dishonest administration. Want to discuss LIES? How about the most current from the Obozo bunch regarding the terrorist murder of our Ambassador and 3 other Americans in Libya? Oh no, we can’t talk about that, can we? How about “Fast and Furious”? Nope, that’s off-limits to liberals. How about the “go around Congress amnesty program for younger Illegal immigrants”? No, liberals don’t want to discuss how this guy violates our laws and ignores our Constitution when it doesn’t serve HIS purposes. :( And people still WORSHIP and plan to vote for this phony, corrupt, radical Marxist-Socialist LIAR in Chief? I’m never surprised at the spin & downright dishonesty of both this administration and the mentally bankrupt flacks like Conason, Chris “thrill up my leg” Matthews, and all the rest who support the WORST occupant of the WH in our lifetimes, if not in the history of this nation! Disgusting, but then it’s typical. When they lose (like Obozo did in the debate), the liberals are either victims or they pull out a bunch of crappy & divisive NAME CALLING because they can’t defend the record of their “messiah”! Duh! :(

  • louElouE

    “Greed, for lack of a better word, is good.” $20,000. That’s how much money Romney is estimated to have made from each worker laid off during Bain’s many corporate takeovers. Nice work if you can get it (or take it away from someone else).
    Romney has changed his political stances more times than he’s changed his underwear. But one thing is certain. It really doesn’t matter what he said at the debate. Romney will do what is good for Romney. And Mitt Romney wants to continue the same Bush policies that got us into this mess.
    Why?
    Because, it’s been a great decade for his wealthy 1% friends. Income for the wealthiest 1% of Americans had exploded since 1979, by a whopping 275%. Over the last nine years, Bush tax cuts have delivered $1 Million in tax breaks to the average millionaire. In the last year 93% of income went to the top 1%. According to a report by Senator Coburn (Republican) of Oklahoma, 1,500 millionaires paid no taxes in 2009. 30 Fortune 500 companies paid no taxes in the three years 2008-2011.
    The Fortune 500 — the biggest companies in America — boosted their earnings a whopping 335% in the last year. The S&P 500 companies last year had more than $2 trillion amassed in cash. That’s enough money to create a living-wage job, for a year, for every single American who is unemployed, underemployed or has stopped looking for work. CEO pay has skyrocketed 300% since 1990. Typical pay for CEOs has reached an all-time high, just short of $10 million a year. That’s roughly $5,000 an hour!
    O.K., SO WHERE ARE THE JOBS?
    It used to be that the rich made their profit from a growing amount of middle class consumers buying their products /
    services. Now the rich are making their profits by hiring cheap labor. A JPMorgan economist calculated that the majority of increased corporate profits between 2000 and 2007 were the result of “reductions in wages and benefits”. Trickle down has only trickled up.
    The share of middle-income jobs in the United States has fallen from 52% in 1980 to 42% in 2011. U.S. median household income fell $3,719 between 2000 and 2010. Mitt Romney put that figure at $4300. Earlier this month the Federal Reserve issued findings showing that the median U.S. household lost nearly 39 percent of its wealth from 2007 to 2010.
    While the middle class disappears and poverty increases the wealthiest people in our country are not only doing extremely well, they are using their wealth and political power to protect and expand their very privileged status at the expense of everyone else. The Paul Ryan budget presented to the House in April last year called for the elimination of taxes on capital gains and dividend income. Romney pointed out in a January 2012 debate that “Under that plan, I’d have paid no taxes in the last two years.” Eliminating the capital gains tax, he never will have to pay taxes again! Mitt also wants to get rid of the estate tax so his five sons will be able to inherit his fortune tax free. Under the plan, they also eliminate the gift tax. Under the Ryan Plan, Mitt Romney, worth over $250 million, would PAY NO TAXES! So why would Romney NOT want to return to the Bush policies? Great for Romney and his 1% friends like Donald Trump. Not so good for the middle class. Let’s not forget this little fact. 237 (44%) of our Congressmen are millionaires. So you tell me, which policies do you think they prefer to vote for, who do they really represent?

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  • louElouE

    Sally Kohn, a contributor to Fox News, said: “Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.”

    ……Lie #1 – Ryan blamed Obama for the closing of the Janesville Wisconsin GM plant in Dec. 2008. It closed under Bush. Obama was still U.S. Senator for Illinois, not Wisconsin. The people of the state of Wisconsin all know the truth. Governor Doyle worked for a couple years, offering tax breaks etc to keep GM in Janesville. Where was Ryan? Turns out Ryan himself protested the plant closure, writing a letter to General Motors back in June of 2008. Not only did the plant close on George W. Bush’s watch, but it did so after union workers pleaded with Ryan to support them and help save their jobs, to no avail. Obama did bail out GM, and while the Janesville plant didn’t reopen, the bailout did help GM reopen a plant in Spring Hill, Tenn. Paul Ryan voted for the auto bailout, but fails to mention that.

    …..Lie # 2 – Ryan complained about Obama adding $5 trillion to the deficit but fails to mention he approved everything Bush did in not paying for his two wars, the Bush tax cuts and Medicare D, the TARP money to the “too big to fail banks”, the auto bailout, and other costly policies.

    …..Lie # 3 – Both Romney and Ryan accused Obama of raiding $716 billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare. Yet Ryan has the exact same $716 billion in his proposal, except we gives it all back to the insurance companies. Of course he failed to mention that. Mr. Obama did not cut benefits by $716 billion over 10 years as part of his 2010 health care law; rather, he reduced Medicare reimbursements to health care providers, overcharges from chiefly insurance companies and drug manufacturers. And the law gave Medicare recipients more generous benefits for prescription drugs and free preventive care like mammograms. According to nonpartisan analysts, it is Mr. Romney who would both cut benefits and add costs for beneficiaries if he restored the $716 billion in reductions. Restoring higher payments to insurers and other companies would in turn increase Medicare premiums because beneficiaries share in Medicare’s total cost. Marilyn Moon, a vice president at the American Institutes for Research, has calculated that a Medicare recipient’s out-of-pocket expenses would increase $577 a year on average by 2022.
    Ryan now claims Republicans are the protector of Medicare. Yet just one year ago, the Ryan Plan voted on and passed by the Republican led House called for the privitization of medicare, providing vouchers and costing the taxpayer, an additional $6400. per year. Just one year ago! Remember, it was the Democrats who created Medicare against all Republican opposition in the first place. now suddenly Ryan wants us to believe he and Mitt are the protectors of Medicare.

    …..Lie # 4 – Ryan accused the president of failing to act on the recommendations of his own bipartisan debt commission. Mr. Ryan did not mention that he had served on that commission and he led Republicans in voting down the commission’s own recommen-dation. It was Paul Ryan walked away from the Simpson Bowles.

    …..Lie # 5 – Ryan accused Obama of bringing down the credit rating. But it was the Republicons who held the economy hostage in a manufactured debt ceiling crisis that caused the nation’s credit rating to be lowered for the first time in history. S&P clearly named the Republicans as the blame and their no tax agenda. Republicans turned down an offer of $10 spending cuts for every $1 of tax increase.”We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act”.

    …..Lie # 6 -Ryan talks about protecting the poor. Ryan’s budget was condemned by the Catholic Bishops, who said Ryan’s willingness to slash aid to the poor fails a “basic moral test.” In a letter from the priests and staff of Catholic Georgetown University written in response to the Paul Ryan Budget reads: “We would be remiss in our duty to you and our students if we did not challenge your continuing misuse of Catholic teaching to defend a budget plan that decimates food programs for struggling families, radically weakens protections for the elderly and sick, and gives more tax breaks to the wealthiest few.” The letter adds: “In short, your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ.”

    …..Lie # 7 – Ryan insists the stimulus was nothing but a waste of $800 billion. But he doesn’t tell you that we were hemoraging 750,000 jobs PER MONTH when Obama took office. The stimulus was the finger in the dyke that stopped the hemoraging. Republicants insisted on tax cuts to stimulate the economy. So Obama made 1/3 of the stimulus was tax cuts. Republicans ALL voted against the stimulus anyway, yet they fell all over themselves to make it to ribbon cuttings, taking credit when projects funded by the stimulus start turning over dirt. After repeated denials, Paul Ryan has admitted he requested stimulus cash even after sharply criticizing the program. In Ohio, Ryan told ABC’s Cincinnati affiliate, WCPO “I never asked for stimulus,” But as we’ve now learned, Ryan did write letters. He did request stimulus funds.

    …..Lie # 8 – Ryan claimed, Last year, under President Obama’s failed leadership, 1.4 million businesses filed for bankruptcy.” Actually, in 2011, there were 1.4 million total bankruptcies. Of that number 47,806 were business bankruptcies and 1,362,847 were non-business bankruptcies. Business bankruptcies hit a record 71,549 in 1991, when George H.W. Bush was president, second only to 1985, under Reagan, when 71,277 businesses filed. A record number of Americans – more than 2 million – filed for personal
    bankruptcy in 2005.

    …..Lie # 9 – In his very first television advertisement last year, Mitt Romney highlighted the nation’s dire unemployment crisis, its record number of home foreclosures and the rising national debt, and showed video of President Obama delivering this arresting remark: “If we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose.”
    There was one problem: the quotation was taken so wildly out of context that it turned Mr. Obama’s actual meaning upside-down. The truncated clip came from a speech Mr. Obama gave in 2008 talking about his opponent, Senator John McCain of Arizona. The full quotation? “Senator McCain’s campaign actually said, and I quote, ‘If we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose.’ ”

    …..Lie # 10- I thought Romney to biggest flat out lie of all when he said that from the beginning of the Obama presidency, the Republicans tried to work with Obama but couldn’t. Wasn’t it the Republican congressional leadership which said, our one goal is to make Obama a one term president.

    …..Lie # 11- Romney is running ads accusing Obama of taking say the work for welfare rule. Although every fact checker says it is not true, Romney continues to run the ads.

    …..Lie # 12 – Pretty easy to “win” a debate when you don’t let the truth get in your way. So Romney shipped jobs overseas at Bain, but did not know about the deductions? And he was not talking tax cuts, but in the “47%” video he said that his tax cuts would not resonate with that 47%. Liar, liar, pants on fire. “I don’t have a 5 trillions tax cut, I don’t have a tax cut”.

    …..Lie # 13 – “No. 1,” declared Mitt Romney in Wednesday’s debate, “pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan.” No, they aren’t — as Mr. Romney’s own advisers have conceded in the past, and did again after the debate. What Mr. Romney actually proposes is that Americans with pre-existing conditions who already have health coverage be allowed to keep that coverage even if they lose their job — as long as they keep paying the premiums. As it happens, this is already the law of the land. But it’s not what anyone in real life means by having a health plan that covers pre-existing conditions, because it applies only to those who manage to land a job with health insurance in the first place (and are able to maintain their payments despite losing that job). How many Americans would be left out in the cold under Mr. Romney’s plan? One answer is 89 million. According to the nonpartisan Commonwealth Foundation, that’s the number of Americans who lack the “continuous coverage” that would make them eligible for health insurance under Mr. Romney’s empty promises. By the way, that’s more than a third of the U.S. population under 65 years

  • louElouE

    Ryan, a fiscal genius my azz.: “We haven’t.. I don’t want to get wonky on you, but, we haven’t run the numbers on that specific plan.“ Paul Ryan, the numbers guy, hasn’t run the numbers. He probably won’t run the numbers any time soon either. Doing so could prove that he’s a fraud. You’ll just have to trust him when he says he can balance the budget while also annihilating the tax base. It’s Tax Cut Magic. Paul Ryan’s biggest asset, which he did not disclose until he was vetted by the Romney Campaign, was inherited.
    In other words — he didn’t build that. He had help. Despite the repeated mantra from the RomneyRyan campaign that “hard-working Americans are what create jobs, not govern-ment,” Paul Ryan’s family business — for whom he briefly worked as a “marketing consultant” — was built in large part on government contracts. Salon reports Ryan Incorporated Central began in 1884 doing government- subsidized railroad construction, then moved into building federal interstate highways, and helped build O’Hare Airport. Ryan Incorporated Central” has had at least 22 defense contracts with the federal government since 1996, including one from 1996 worth $5.6 million. … Mr. Anti-Spending secured millions in earmarks for his home state of Wisconsin, including, among other things, $3.3 million for highway projects. And Ryan voted to preserve $40 billion in special subsidies for big oil, an industry in which, it so happens, Ryan and his wife hold ownership stakes.
    Romney/Ryan Rommunism: eliminate ALL taxes on capital gains and dividends, the estate tax, and the gift tax. (the main sources of income for the wealthy), raise taxes on the working middle class, lower taxes for the wealthiest, gift wrap Social Security and deliver it on a silver platter to Wall St., and give grandma a $5,000 voucher for her $20,000 hip replacement.
    Despite the hardship in his district, Ryan voted against extending unemployment benefits in November on the pretext that it would add more than “one dime to the deficit.”
    Notice how republicans aren’t talking about class warfare and redistribution of wealth anymore?….they are too busy orchestrating it themselves.
    Where did Paul Ryan develop his “fiscal genius”? From what experience? From what education? Ryan majored in economics and political science at Miami University, in Oxford, Ohio. Not exactly Ivy League. He allowed taxpayers to buy his college education for him, even though his family was wealthy.
    After his sophomore year he flipped burgers at McDonald’s. He worked summers as a salesman for Oscar Mayer. In his early years working on Capitol Hill, Ryan supplemented his income by working as a waiter, as a fitness trainer and at various other side jobs.
    In 1997 Ryan returned to Wisconsin and worked for his relatives’ construction company,
    “Incorporated Central”, as a marketing consultant (?) for a year.
    His entire career – after his free college education – has been in Congress where our money covers his paychecks, healthcare, retirement, etc.
    In 13 years in the U.S. Senate, Paul Ryan passed just two bills into law: 1. Named a post office, 2. Changed the excise tax on (get this!) hunting arrows!
    And his hero is a Russian woman who did not believe in God or that the family has any importance in society…Are those new Tea Party values? This guy is a complete phony. He preaches fiscal conservatism to the public and then grabs all the taxpayer cash he can when he thinks no one is paying attention.

  • louElouE

    It’s clear, proof positive. Mitt supports the Paul Ryan budget voted on and passed by the Republicans in the house. Ryan’s plan is guaranteed to blow the debt up by several trillion dollars, not a single tax cut is paid for which is exactly what Bush did and we know how well that’s worked out now don’t we.
    The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, describes the Ryan budget this way:
    “The new Ryan budget is a remarkable document — one that, for most of the past half-century, would have been outside the bounds of mainstream discussion due to its extreme nature. In essence, this budget is Robin Hood in reverse — on steroids. It would likely produce the largest redistribution of income from the bottom to the top in modern U.S. history and likely increase poverty and inequality more than any other budget in recent times (and possibly in the nation’s history).”
    Robert Greenstein, President of Center on Budget and Policy Priorties, said of the Republican Budget, [a.k.a the Ryan Plan] “Specifically, the Ryan budget would impose extraordinary cuts in programs that serve as a lifeline for our nation’s poorest and most vulnerable citizens, and over time would cause tens of millions of Americans to lose their health insurance or become underinsured. It would also impose severe cuts in non-defense discretionary programs—much deeper than the across-the-board cuts that are scheduled to take place starting in January…Yet alongside these extraordinary budget cuts, with their dismantling of key parts of the safety net, the budget features stunning new tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. These tax cuts would come on top of the average tax cut of more than $125,000 a year that the Tax Policy Center (TPC) estimates that people who make over $1 million a year will receive if — as the Ryan budget also proposes —policymakers make all of President Bush’s tax cuts permanent”cuts permanent”.
    In fact, TPC reported that the four major new tax cuts in the Ryan plan…would cost $4.6 trillion in lost federal revenue over the next ten years…All four revenue-losing measures would disproportionately benefit wealthy Americans.
    Obama slammed Ryan’s budget proposals as social Darwinism. For a party so skeptical of evolution, the Republicans seem curiously at home with the survival of the fittest. Ryan’s plan would not only represent a devastating attack on poor Americans while redistribut-ing resources to the rich; it would actually make the deficit worse.
    Ryan has explicitly used Catholic teachings to justify his gutting of programs like food stamps, Medicare and Medicaid, and tax credits for low-income families, even as church leaders remind him publicly of the Catholic duty to protect the poor.
    in April, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops wrote a series of letters about the House budget proposed by Rep. Ryan, saying that his cuts “will hurt hungry children, poor families, vulnerable seniors and workers who can not find employment. These cuts are unjustified and wrong.”
    “Major reductions at this time of economic turmoil and rising poverty will hurt hungry, poor and vulnerable people in our nation and around the world,” the Rev. Stephen Blaire, bishop of Stockton, Calif., and the Rev. Richard E. Pates, bishop of Des Moines, wrote for the conference. “A just spending bill cannot rely on disproportionate cuts in essential services to the poor and vulnerable persons; it requires shared sacrifice by all.” In their letters, the bishops laid out “moral criteria to guide these difficult budget decisions: protect human life and dignity.” They wrote that “the needs of those who are hungry and homeless, without work or in poverty, should come first,” and that
    “government and other institutions have a shared responsibility to promote the common good of all, especially ordinary workers and families who struggle to live in dignity in difficult economic times.”
    Other faith leaders have called the budget “cruel,” “an immoral disaster,”and “profoundly
    misreading Church teaching.”
    ”In a letter from the priests and staff of Catholic Georgetown University written in response to the Paul Ryan Budget reads:.
    “We would be remiss in our duty to you and our students if we did not challenge your continuing misuse of Catholic teaching to defend a budget plan that decimates food programs for struggling families, radically weakens protections for the elderly and sick, and gives more tax breaks to the wealthiest few.”
    The letter adds: “In short, your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ.”

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