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How Some Conservatives Dealt With Their Disappointment That There Weren’t Riots Over The Zimmerman Verdict

July 14, 2013 9:29 pm Category: Memo Pad, Memo Share, Politics 264 Comments A+ / A-

For days leading up to the verdict in George Zimmerman’s trial, pundits speculated that there would be riots if the man who claimed to have killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in self-defense were to be found not guilty.

As of Sunday afternoon, peaceful rallies had been planned in cities across the country. But except for some broken windows and fires in Oakland, California there have been no “riots.”

This was apparently not good enough for some people, who began spreading the video above as proof of a riot in downtown Miami over Zimmerman’s acquittal. Seems legit — except there are no mountains near downtown Miami. A simple Google search would reveal that no riots had been reported in Florida or anywhere else. The video is from 2011 and it shows hockey fans rioting in Vancouver.

Twitter users and blogs began debunking the video immediately. However, the video was still posted on right-wing blog Gateway Pundit late Sunday morning. It has since been deleted.

President Obama urged restraint, respect and reflection in his statement.

The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son. And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities. We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that’s a job for all of us. That’s the way to honor Trayvon Martin.

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  • angelsinca

    This must be the companion story to Some Liberals Disappointed in Zimmerman’s Innocence-Applaud Threats Against his Life.

    • saikaku

      Sounds like you have an overactive imagination

      • NMoshe

        It’s just conservative Republican projection. They engage in dog-whistle racist politics and accuse us of being the racists. They are governed by emotions and form their beliefs based upon emotion, not logic, and then they accuse us of being the emotional ones. They scream about the deficit and slow economic recovery under Obama because deep down inside, they can’t come to grips with the fact that Bush (and no matter what they say the feel about him now, they absolutely loved him when he was president) was a dismal failure.

        • angelsinca

          You have it all figured out, don’t you, sport. Again, you are wrong. This time reagrding your perceptions of Republicans. When you ask yourself why the GOP doesn’t cooperate with Democrats, you only need to reflect on the bigoted tone and stereotypes you share with your Democrat friends.

          • Joseph Hemphill

            If it quacks like a duck…..

          • NMoshe

            The GOP doesn’t cooperate with Democrats because they can’t stand the notion of being out of power. They can’t stand the fact that Obama won so their ONLY strategy from the beginning of his term is to obstruct everything that he tries to do. The GOP has completely abused the filibuster, using it many more times than Democrats ever did against Bush. As inconvenient as this is to you, this is a fact.

            And I’m sorry that I hurt your feelings about my perception of Republicans. I guess it doesn’t feel so great when the other side uses the same moves from the Republican playbook.

          • hunter10

            You can’t argue with MSNBC watchers. They don’t relate to logic and facts.

          • NMoshe

            Typical Republican response. Project your own failings onto others and then engage in a game of “I know what you are but what am I”

          • hunter10

            I get it now. You want the last word. Ok I quit. You win. lol

          • Barbara Morgan

            Don’t you mean cat argue with Fox not news watches because they believe lies and made up news stories.

          • GreenEagle

            The GOP doesn’t cooperate with Democrats because they have turned themselves into a near-traitorous pack of seditious enemies of this country.

      • Sand_Cat

        Just a delusional one.

    • NMoshe

      Please tell me, how do you handle your disappointment every month when job numbers improve?

      Let me guess, you were one of the people who were happy and rejoiced after the Benghazi attacks because it gave you a new talking point.

      • angelsinca

        Wrong on both off topic points. IF the real jobs created weren’t mostly part-time sub-standard wages, it would be cause to celebrate, for th sake of the nation. We still need good paying jobs, despite the best efforts of Washington. The comment about Benghazi is just annoying, if not despicable. thanks

        • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

          But if it weren’t sub-standard, part-time, minimum wage jobs then what would Rick Perry have to brag about? That is the majority of the jobs created in his watch.

          • angelsinca

            This would be true if it was Rick Perry’s economy.

          • Barbara Morgan

            It is in Texas.

          • angelsinca

            The job situation is the same in CA. According to your logic, it must be the fault of the Democrat govenor.

        • Mark Forsyth

          Hey jerk-off,what are you doing here? You’re supposed to be at work today,remember.Of course your full time job is keeping track of all your lies.Oops.looks like you missed one.

          • angelsinca

            It didn’t take long to prime the liberal attack machine. It gets worked up when you interupt the conservative bashing.

          • Mark Forsyth

            In the words of the late great Woody Guthrie ” This Machine Kills Fascists”

          • angelsinca

            From what I’ve seen, thel Liberal attack machine accuses republicans of being facists without basis. Apparently, to depersonalize the hositities of the unwarranted attacks.

            The subject is no riots in the streets, as supposedly expected by a few conservative (and liberal) pundits in the media. The few isolated attacks by blacks toward whites that cite Trayyvon payback must be normal everyday occurences.

          • Mark Forsyth

            You are in over your head.You constantly prove that you have no notion as to the nature of fascism.Therefore you further have proved that you are worthy of no further response.

          • angelsinca

            Finally, it decides to harass someone else. Thanks for the reprieve.

          • Sand_Cat

            That’s because you have no basis but your own prejudice to claim the attacks are “without basis.”

          • Barbara Morgan

            Mark when you call someone names that lowers you to their level. Don’ t call people names, just post what have to say without name calling and insults. That hurts more when you are nice and they aren’t and it makes them angry that they didn’t get the ugly posting they were expecting. It is hard at times to be reply nicely to some of the trolls that post here, but they can’t handle nice.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Tell you what Barb,I don’t entirely disagree with you but there is some crap that I and others on this page refuse to tolerate.So I think it’s best for you to handle things the way you see best and leave me to my own devices.

          • Barbara Morgan

            Ok, I just making a suggestion because I used to post similar posts when I first starting post and found it for me being nice and not doing name calling made them mad and they couldn’t keep their lies straight and their name calling without messing up.

          • Mark Forsyth

            I applaud your efforts.You are a peacemaker.I try to be but sometimes the warrior has to take charge.Eventually I end up ignoring those trolls.I bet they didn’t know that lieing would be a full time job.Thanks for your comments.

        • Jim Myers

          Don’t blame the low wage jobs and part time, no benefit jobs on the Democrats.

          THAT FALLS DIRECTLY ON THE SO CALLED “JOB CREATORS.”

          You know, the ones who wring their hands and ask for more and more “WELFARE FOR THE WEALTHY” in the form of more and larger tax breaks, because they need them in order to create more jobs.

          The jobs that they promised time and time again, but magically seem to need “Just One More Tax Break” before they will actually be created.

        • NMoshe

          Am I incorrect about Benghazi? The fact that Republicans wasted no time attempting to turn it into a major political scandal? Mitt Romney making blatant lies about Obama’s reaction to it?

          The real scandal about Benghazi is how Republicans were gleeful over the death of four Americans and attempted to turn it into a scandal, without any evidence whatsoever.

          • angelsinca

            “Republicans were gleeful over the death of four Americans… ”

            Despicable assertion. What do have to back up this claim? Don’t bother. We knew it’s BS. Reasonable people would consider this false claim a LIE.

        • Sand_Cat

          Let’s face it: if GZ had been convicted, you and the other lunatics would be here whining about the miscarriage of justice, so it takes a special kind of hypocrisy to complain when those who disagree with you say so. But then, we already know what kind of hypocrite you are.

          • angelsinca

            I am always impressed with the consistency of your predictions Sand_cat and look foward to how immeasurably inaccurate they could have been. I’ll take your word for it. I look forward to different viewpoints. Trouble is, most of yours are accompanied by personal derragotory remarks, intended to inflict pain. It doesn’t hurt (much). But please don’t let that stop you from enjoying the evening. I have to go discover the new racist within.

          • angelsinca

            “if GZ had been convicted, you and the other lunatics would be here whining about the miscarriage of justice, ”

            Instead, we have you and the other lunatics whining about the miscarriage of justice. You really should uncover the mirrors in your glass house.

      • montanabill

        Improving job numbers?

        • Sand_Cat

          Yeah, moron, improving job numbers.

      • hunter10

        Beg to differ. Job numbers are up one month and down the next. Not a consistant plus or minus. Not something to brag about.

        • NMoshe

          No, they have been consistently in the 150,000-200,000 range for quite a while already. They would be even better if it weren’t for the draconian budget cuts and the sequester that Republicans forced down our throats in order to avoid a default.

  • Pops

    “For days leading up to the verdict in George Zimmerman’s trial, pundits speculated that there would be riots if the man who claimed to have killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in self-defense were to be found not guilty.”

    What else would you expect from black people?

    “The video is from 2011 and it shows hockey fans rioting in Vancouver.”

    What else would you expect from… white people?

    • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

      Remember, Conservatives have never been worried about facts disturbing their predetermined “Truths”.

  • Dominick Vila

    Facts: (1) After watching a basketball game with his Dad, 17-year old Trayvon Martin went to a 7-Elevan where he bough an iced tea and a bag of Skittles. (2) he was walking home on a dark and rainy night, wearing his hoodie, when he was spotted by George Zimmerman. (3) When GZ called 9/11 to inform them that he was chasing a suspicious person he was asked to discontinue the chase and let the police handle it. (4) GZ ignored the instructions and continued to chase TM. (5) At one point an altercation took place. Since one of the persons involved is dead, the only one that can provide a version of what happened is GZ. (6) All the witnesses, except for one, said that they were unable to identify who was who, all they could see was the silhouettes of two people. One, Ms. Lauer said that the man on top got up immediately after the shot was fired. Another, Mr. Goode, used his Superman X-ray vision to identify both fighters and said that TM was on top savagely beating an innocent and helpless GZ. (7) GZ attended the police academy and yet, he could not defend himself or throw a punch. (8) The coroner did not find swelling, bruises, lacerations, blood, or DNA on Trayvon Martin’s hand indicating he had beaten anyone. (8) the inert body of a 17-year old shot at point blank range by a vigilante is the only evidence needed to decide who was the aggressor and who the victim was.

    • montanabill

      Nice list, but totally incorrect. Good thing there were people who actually listened to the evidence on the jury. Above all, remember that in court, you are guilty only if there is absolutely no doubt about your guilt in the minds of the jury. In this case, even if you believed your version of the scenario, there is enough doubt to prevent conviction.

      • Dominick Vila

        Aside from the fact that I failed to mention that Trayvon Martin was not engaged in any criminal or suspicious activity when he was profiled as a threat by George Zimmerman, would you care to tell us which statement in my list is incorrect?

        • Mark Forsyth

          The Zimmerman crowd wants us to believe that it’s o.k. to shoot and kill an unarmed man.Just how much argument does one give to someone carrying a gun? Perhaps some,but I doubt that it would be so much as to cause the gunman to fear for his life so much that he could justify the use of deadly force.

          • adbj102

            The Martin crowd wants us to believe that attacking any non black person is part of their civil rights. And hates the whites having the right to defend themselves, Al Sharpton said so! You should have heard the diatribe! I wish I had recorded it.

          • Alice James

            When a nose gets broke, head gets banged into the concrete, you can not say that TM was unarmed.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Zimmermans nose was not broken and it was revealed in court that the superficial wounds that he sustained were most likely self inflicted after he killed Martin in order to make it look like self defense.Don’t even try to pass such a ridiculously stupid argument that Martin was armed.You could not sell that crap to an idiot even if it had been proven that Martin used his fists to beat Zimmerman,which it was not.Trayvon Martin Was Unarmed.Zimmerman Had a Handgun and Used It To Kill Trayvon Martin.
            The prosecution failed to make its case because the state of Florida didn’t even want to arrest Zimmerman much less bring murder charges against him.Martin couldn’t defend himself against a gun,he couldn’t tell his side of the story in court,and nowhe can’t defend against bullshit artists like you.
            Why don’t you go down the road and find a dead horse to kick,you can even pretend it is a black person.

          • Gary D. Vaughn

            I have fought most of my life. Those wounds on the back of his head were inconsistent with being banged on concrete. No abrasions from the sand in concrete, one was slightly at the top of the head, the other more down toward the neck. If anything, those came from a maglite (Zimmy had one of those). And that nose, I could do that to him with one punch.

        • montanabill

          Line 3. GZ wasn’t ‘chasing’, he was following. Line 4. A 911 operator has no authority to issue commands. Line 6. There was much more to the witnesses’ testimony. You used editorial license. Line 7. Irrelevant. Full of assumptions. Line 8. Ignores GZ injuries. Line 9. (your second 8) Judgement based on assumptions and prejudice.

          • Dominick Vila

            Line 3. Your counter-argument is limited to semantics. Line 4, the fact that GZ decided to call 9/11 indicates that he believes that resource has the authority or ability to take appropriate action. Most people, in circumstances like this, would have let the police handle the problem. Line 6. Obviously, I don’t have a transcript of all the testimonies, but I recall most eyewitnesses saying it was dark, it was raining, and they could not distinguish the physiognomy of the two people fighting, except for one that was able to identify them and even saw the color of the clothes they were wearing. Line 7 is only irrelevant because the prosecutor failed to ask the obvious questions. How could a man that attended the police academy not know how to defend himself or throw a punch? Line 8. I get worse “injuries” than GZ’s weed whacking my grass. One of the lacerations on his head was 2 cm long, the other was a tiny .5 cm long. The reason for much of the bleeding is that those two tiny lacerations was in a highly vascular part of the body. A bloody nose is not a reason to shoot someone. Second line 8 (sorry), since when are Hispanics prejudiced against other Hispanics?

          • montanabill

            911 is simply a quick way to get the appropriate agency moving, be it law enforcement or emergency services. And you are right that most people would let them handle a situation. However, having been in a similar situation, living in a neighborhood frequency robbed by young black men, when you see someone who doesn’t look like they belong and alert 911, it takes anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes before authorities arrive on the scene. During that time, unless you keep track of the person, they could be in someone’s house or innocently walking to a destination. Trayvon also had the option of simply continuing on his route, even with GZ following him, but apparently he decided to confront GZ.
            At the point when GZ decided to get his gun, he was pinned and had no idea if or when Trayvon would stop beating him. You have to consider that if GZ had not had a gun, it might have been Trayvon defending himself for murder. What would you have done under similar circumstances?

          • edwardw69

            What I would have done would have depended on whether I was black or white.

            Now, a question: if it had been a 17 year-old, white high school student, an A student and a football player, who was being followed by a 28 year-old black man, who had been charged in the past for assaulting a police officer, and had been fired from his security job for “excessive force,” what song would you be singing now?

          • Barbara Morgan

            You forgot about slapping an ex girlfriend who was slapped for chewing her gum loudly. and the violation of order of protection that same ex girlfriend had against him and his attack against her after he violated the order of protection against him. That the case was sealed and no one knows what if any sentence that Zimmerman got for that arrest. Or the arrest for attacking another ex girlfriend who was to scared of him to press charges.
            Don’t believe us, goggle George Zimmerman and see what shows up. Also what I have posted and what edwardw69 was in the news over and over again for the first week but disappeared after anything was proven to be true.

          • latebloomingrandma

            Do you think GZ would have actually followed Trayvon if he did not have the “security” of a gun? I suppose if you’re stalked, do not be assertive and confront stalker —wait until you’re attacked.

          • adbj102

            Stalker? There was a “Prowler” with a record of stolen property! or did you prefer to forget that?

          • Dominick Vila

            I would have let the authorities deal with the suspicious person, who had not demonstrated any interest in breaking into someone’s house or damaging property. At least one witness (Ms. Lauer) saw the man on top get up and walk away as soon as the fatal shot was fired. If her testimony is factual, and I don’t have a reason to doubt it, the person that was pinned down was Trayvon Martin. Again, how come there were no bruises, lacerations, swelling, blood or DNA on Trayvon’s hands? How could anyone inflict so much physical harm on someone else and not damage his knuckles and other parts of his hand? Most importantly, why didn’t the prosecution place more emphasis on the trajectory of the bullet? The only way GZ could have fired a shot if he was pinned down and Trayvon was on top would have been from the bottom up or laterally.
            There are simply too many questions that will, most likely, never be asked or answered as a result of a mediocre prosecution and the exceptional abilities of the defense team.

          • edwardw69

            The wound on Z’s nose looked more like a cut than a punch. The same kind of wound that would have been made if he raked the front sight of his weapon across his own nose. And the bullet entered Martin perpendicular to his body; if Martin were on top, he would have had to have been kissing Z to get that trajectory.

          • Dominick Vila

            I agree. Unfortunately for Trayvon Martin and his family that is the kind of argument the prosecutor failed to focus on. The sad truth is that the defense dominated the entire trial with pictures of George Zimmerman’s injuries, which may have been self-inflicted considering the fact that there was no evidence of punches or even a struggle on Trayvon’s hands, and by so doing they transformed the aggressor into an innocent victim doing his civic duty, and the victim into a vicious ninja.
            I wonder what will GZ’s fans would do if his next victim happens to be a white teenager wearing a hoodie. Needless to say, that is not going to happen. GZ never had it so good before, he will not harm the hand that is feeding him…

          • edwardw69

            He has been turned down for police department employment before, but now maybe he can get a police job–perhaps in Texas.

          • pop mofolk

            He’s definitely better qualified now.

          • adbj102

            How many times are you going to ignore the other two coroners who testified MARTIN DID HAVE LACERATIONS ON HIS KNUCKLES? only the expert witness paid by the family said Martin had no injuries on his hands.

          • Bill

            Fans of justice would insist on a fair trial, just like they always do. Fortunately, they wouldn’t find it necessary to defend the system against totally unfounded claims of racism.

          • Dominick Vila

            I don’t believe racism influenced the juror’s decision or impairs the ability of our judicial system to be impartial and fair, but I believe GZ’s decision to follow Trayvon Martin was influenced by the fact that the teenager was a young black man.

          • Bill

            I suppose your mind-reading ability properly discounted the neighborhood’s crime history as insignificant?

          • Dominick Vila

            You don’t single out a person and shoot him because someone else carried out a crime in your neighborhood.

          • Alice James

            we wouldn’t do anything if he was attacked and defending him self.

          • Bill

            Perhaps you should review the entire trial transcript and then you’d know, Counselor, whether all the answers were available and all the right questions were asked.

          • Dominick Vila

            Thank you for the promotion. The problem is not so much whether or not the right questions were asked, but the fact that the exaggerations used by the defense were not challenged. How could a pounding like the one demonstrated by O’Mara not result in a concussion, trauma or at least some confusion? GZ was coherent, walked steadily at the scene of the crime and later at the police station, had no problem giving his version of events to the police, did not need stitches, and did not seek medical care at an ER. His horrendous beating only produced a 2 cm and a .5 cm superficial lacerations, and a bloody nose. Let’s hope people with similar injuries don’t resort to shooting people or the population of the USA is likely to go down dramatically.

          • Sand_Cat

            As I said before, it’s obvious you and hunter10 would never find any evidence sufficient to convict because you obviously think(?) like GZ.

          • Bill

            It’s a pretty high standard of evidence, “beyond a reasonable doubt.” In your case, it seems rather flexible. Good thing you think for yourself, instead of letting something as petty as established law stand between you and justice.

          • ilivebyfacts

            Ok. So you call 911 and because it takes so long you would get out of the comfort of your vehicle to follow someone? Seriously??? I doubt it. I’ve been part of a neighborhood watch and we followed our instructions. Do NOT confront. PERIOD.

            But let me ask you a question because no one else seems to have been able to answer the question. What was Trayvon doing that was suspicious???? He was walking with hoodie in the rain from a store to his place of resident regardless of permanent or as an invited guess. So what was so suspicious? Oh… you said someone that doesn’t look like they belong. What made him look like he didn’t belong? Hoodie? Walking in the rain? Skittles? Race?? If you want to know why 911 calls take such a long time to respond this is a PERFECT example as to why. George called 911. FOR WHAT!!!??? This is NOT what 911 is for. “Oh.. I see someone walking in my neighborhood who doesn’t look like he belongs.” AND? Regardless of burglaries or robberies. If they are NOT doing something suspicious like looking in vehicles and homes or doing/dealing drugs, etc…. then YOU and GEORGE are wasting our resources. That 911 call turned into a true 911 call simply because this guy stalked someone minding their own business. Now you want me and others to believe he had a right for fear of his life. Well Trayvon had a right too which came first as a result of this crazy dude following him for no reason. NONE!!!

          • montanabill

            As a matter of fact, I have gotten out of my vehicle to follow suspicious people in my neighborhood when necessary. Sometimes, it is the only way. Once, it turned out, they were filming friends doing silly stunts, but those stunts could have easily been misinterpreted since the neighborhood is regularly visited by break-in types.

            The testimony in the Zimmerman case was that Trayvon was the confronter, not Zimmerman who was attempting to follow. That part we will never know for sure.
            If someone is is sitting on your chest beating you, I guarantee, you will fear for your life.

          • ilivebyfacts

            Well hopefully you too aren’t walking around with a gun. You do not have to follow in that nature. The old saying is if you do YOU are asking for trouble. This country talks about freedom and yet it stopped when it came to a 17 year old simple minding his business walking home. He is confronted by a stalker. You stalk. You confront. So my friend George confronted Trayvon first. I’m still waiting on YOU to tell me what Trayvon was doing that was so suspicious? We can say what the Boston Bomber was doing suspicious… columbine shooters… etc… no 911 calls might I add, but no description if what Trayvon was doing suspicious except exercising is citizen right to walk down a street minding his own business. Smh. How do YOU know Trayvon wasn’t scared this guy was trying to rob him? See… running is not an option. Can you imagine the police encountering a young black man running after a 911 call was put out on them. If they shot him you would be in saying if he wasn’t guilty of anything then why was he running? But you don’t see it because you and your people haven’t lived it.

          • montanabill

            Do you have any idea what it is like when your neighborhood is regularly burglarized by young blacks? I know that isn’t a PC thing to say, but it is fact. So when a young person with a hoodie, who is unknown to you, is seen at night walking through your neighborhood, you do pay attention. Most of the time, it is simply someone walking. But since there have been too many occasions when it is not innocent, you do pay attention and for the protection of your neighbors, it is prudent to follow. Like GZ, many a call is made to 911 and by the time a patrol car arrives, the person you saw has disappeared. Have they left the neighborhood or have they entered someone’s home?
            As a matter of fact, I do have a concealed carry permit. It seems ludicrous that I should feel like I would need one, but things are what they are. Until my wife and I can feel secure in our own neighborhood, or until we move to a gated, guarded neighborhood, prudence will take precedence over PC.

          • ilivebyfacts

            You still didn’t answer my question. What was Trayvon doing that was suspicious? Do you understand what it is like to have to fight for equality every day of your life regardless of your character? So you are saying you have a right to question and confront with my freedom simply because you and others waste police time with calls of fear and then you wonder why it takes them so long????? Friend I sat in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Washington DC. NO GUN! No one knew me so I make a perfect target. My car wasn’t immobile and the community knew it. Oh… people walked by and even came to my car. But… no 911 calls. Was I ready if necessary to do so? Sure was. But my car might have cost someone their life if I called just because. During community watch I kept my distance. I wouldn’t want anyone questioning me, so I offer the same respect. Again. No gun. And I do own one. But I don’t live by it like many. The fact is YOU and the SYSTEM… not all white America… want to claim democracy as long as it applies to you but are quick to lesson someone else rights. And history proves this. Over your fears. One black commit a crime and they all become suspects. Same with Latinos and God forbid they are Muslim. But how many hideous white crimes do you witness and react the same?? All you hear is “we thought he was strange but never ” time and time again when you could have prevented the crime. It is called racial profiling my friend. Right now you are so tuned in on black crime that you tune out white crime that occurs daily and on a bigger scale. You don’t want to admit it, but the truth is there when you are willing to look at who is responsible. Things happen for a reason. You keep thinking blacks don’t want education or jobs. Plays right into the racial profiling scheme of things. All I can tell you is this with regard to the outcome if this trial. Don’t think the next time someone shoots one of our young men or women because they are black that it will end this peacefully. We won’t take it. We too can play the same game. Since no answer means you admit Trayvon did NOTHING to warrant being labeled suspicious I’ll just say… Peace be with you!

          • montanabill

            Trayvon wasn’t doing anything suspicious other than he was an unknown person walking through a neighborhood that had significant experience with break-ins. He wasn’t confronted. He was being watched. Had he simply proceeded on his way, there is every indication the incident would have ended as a non-event. Do you think for one minute that I am not watched when I travel through a black neighborhood? The rest of your rant is strawman material.

          • rick birnan

            So what you are saying is that property…stuff… is more important than a human life.

          • montanabill

            So are you saying that people taking stuff is no big deal?

          • lairdp

            You assert that “At the point when GZ decided to get his gun, he was pinned and had no idea if or when Trayvon would stop beating him.” but there’s no evidence to support any of that, just speculation.

          • montanabill

            The preponderance of evidence, including the best eyewitness testimony available, indicated GZ was on the bottom getting beaten. Would Trayvon have stopped? No way of knowing. But put yourself in the same circumstance. Would you have taken a chance? Would you have been capable of rational thought? If you were armed, do you suppose you might have gone for the gun for self preservation?

          • Barbara Morgan

            Dominick, Montana Bill is doing the same thing the media and others that support Zimmerman have done during this whole thing, instead of calling his ethic ground right, they leave out his white heritage so they can claim he couldn’t be prejudiced against a minority because he one himself.

            He is multiracial just like the President. Only difference is that Zimmerman is White-Peruvian while the President is Black-White. Also if he was only Peruvian doesn’t mean that he is not prejudiced. There is are very few people in this world that are prejudice about something pertaining to other races an there is even prejudices within the same races, depending on how dark or light or how a person’s skin color is.

          • adbj102

            Si, quero a saber hispanicos digale malo de otros? Digame! Por Favor Esperando!

          • Dominick Vila

            I have to understand what you are asking in order for me to respond.

          • Bill

            The jury concluded different. Since it saw all the evidence and heard all the testimony, I’ll go with it.

          • ilivebyfacts

            Friend. No jury sees all evidence. They see what is presented. Our system is based on interpretation. Plenty of cases show they don’t always get it right.

          • GreenEagle

            George Zimmerman stalked and killed an innocent teenager. In a decent country that would make him guilty of not second degree murder, but first degree murder.

            And let’s get this straight: you are not innocent until found guilty. You are presumed innocent in the eyes of the law until found guilty. No matter what the result of Zimmerman’s farcical trial was, he is guilty of first degree murder. He is white and Trayvon was black, so this one man lynch mob gets away with murder, just like all of the other lynch mobs in history. And we have to sit here and hear five corrupt Republican Supreme Court Justices tell us that racism is dead in this country.

          • Barbara Morgan

            When you call 911 the operator does have the authority to issue orders since she or he is the link between the caller and the officer out on the street. 911 operators wear uniforms and can carry a gun after receiving the same gun training as an officer. Some are officers that were injured on the job and can no longer work the streets but are still commissioned officers GZ could have inflicted his own wounds, it has been done in other cases in order to claim self defense or to make it look look the killer and victim had been attacked by an unknown person. You ignore just the jury must have done that according to published reports Zimmerman was an expert in Martial Arts and according to people that take Martial Arts classes that they are very few things that people can do that they can’t get out of including a sneak attack. Also you and others and the jury seem to forget that Zimmerman could have stayed in his safe and dry vehicle until the Police got there but didn’t.

          • ralphkr

            Well, Barbara, now I wonder just where you live. In the states that I have been in since 911 was started not one had sworn officers as operators. Every place that I am familiar with has civilian 911 operators who have no authority to give orders. In fact, in many jurisdictions when you call a police station directly the phone is often answered by a civilian employee. Sworn LEOs are far too expensive to be used as telephone operators when they can pay civilians over $30K less to do the job.

          • Barbara Morgan

            I live in Tennessee in a mid size city and how many of the places that you have visited, did you go to the 911 call center or have interaction with the police? If they don’t have the authority to give the orders why do the officers out in the street tell them to tell the caller not to do so and so but do this.? Were the places you visited in all your years large, medium or small towns? Because in some small towns the 911 operator can also be an off duty firemen who also works for the police department. My information about sworn injured and no longer able to work the street came out of the mouth of such person. I said that they could no longer work the streets, didn’t say that they were street officers or ones that do the active work.

          • ralphkr

            Yes, Barbara, as an ex-LEO I would usually get to know the local officers where ever I happened to be. Your example shows that you should know that the operator did not have authority except when relaying an order FROM a LEO. The towns I have been in have ranged from under 1K up to well over 2 Millions. The most surprising 911 to me was when I called 911 at the behest of a neighbor and discovered a long distance charge on my phone bill. It turned out that the town I was in was too small to have its own 911 center, only a little over 100K, so they had farmed out 911 to the center about 40 miles away with a population over a million. Where I am now the entire county has a population of about 70K and has more than one 911 center all with civilian operators. It becomes extremely obvious that 911 operators are NOT sworn officers when you notice the help wanted ads for 911 operators listing pay ranging from $20K & topping out at $40K while sworn officers pay run from $26K (cadet) to $80K & up with firefighters at a slightly lower pay even though their job is far more hazardous than a LEO. Every police & sheriff’s department that I know of utilize officers not able or allowed to do street work at desks in the station to take reports and shuffle paper. It is wonderful that Tennessee is so wealthy that they can afford to use LEOs as 911 operators although it reminds me of using a skilled aircraft pilot to drive the tug that pulls the aircraft to the terminal..

          • Barbara Morgan

            Many small towns in Tennessee, the police and fired departments are combined because the fire department is a volunteer department also the officer I was talking to said there was no light duty jobs at the station, so he was working at the 911 center also in many small town and counties the 911 center covers the whole counties.Also the pay the police isn’t the same all over the country. Also it seems like you think I was talking about an someone that could still work the streets and so on, the officer is disabled because of a drunk driver but he didn’t want to leave law enforcement and draw disability, he is still commissioned because he never left the force officially but his pay is not that of an able bodied officer, guess I should have explained that. Also Ralph as you know what the pay in the South isn’t as high as it is in other places for anything.

          • ralphkr

            I am glad I did not mention LEO pay in San Francisco, Barbara, but the US average pay for LEOs & 911 dispatchers. Your LEO friend working 911 reminds me of an officer I knew in the 1950s in the Midwestern state where I was born & raised. A local bank had a drive up window just of Main Street and the officer was station on the sidewalk to make sure that no one parked in the 3 parking spaces reserved for drive up banking (you parked, got out & walked across the sidewalk to the bank). The last time I saw him was after his 88th birthday & he was still on guard. The only form of retirement available in that town was to stay on duty.

          • Barbara Morgan

            What is bad is that the same kind of retirement for police officers in small town especially in the South is the same today as was in your home town in the fifties. A lot of people hate the police either because they got caught doing wrong and went to jail or because of the ones that disgraced their uniforms and fellow officers by their actions and words and being criminal law breakers , I have respect for all the officers that do their job like they are suppose to and that try to treat everyone the same no matter the color of their skin and if they had done wrong the nature of their crime. Also I not think that their pay is enough for what they can face when they go to work, they never know when they walk out their doors if they will walk back into their home after their shift. I also feel that same way about firemen, they are not paid enough and don’t get the respect that most of them deserve.

          • adbj102

            Sometimes we do drive the tug…to keep those fools from dinging our plane!

          • Cherie Fleming

            This argument goes on and on but it’s just stupid. Common sense tells anyone not to follow a possible perp. Zimmerman didn’t know if he’d end up meeting with a gun to counter his or not. Following wasn’t safe, for either him or Trayvon. Common sense. According to the phone conversation Trayvon was having with his friend, Zimmerman was right up on him at his father’s house before anything physical was started between them. Right behind him. Just stupid. If Zimmerman really wanted to keep an eye on Trayvon he could have done it from a distance instead of freaking him out by following him ALL THE WAY HOME!

          • adbj102

            Barbara, I live in Fl. And lately there was a case of a witness seeing a woman being being held tied in a car, she reported it, and followed, the kidnapper kept going, the 911 operators told her “they are on it” after a time the woman called again, the operators DID NOTHING! finally the kidnapper got away, NO POLICE! The woman was killed and buried! Finally an investigation, the police tried a coverup, And released a heavily redacted report! Nothing but the heading! But other officers gossiped, it seems that the operators were cracking jokes about it, they thought it was a joke. And the police covered for them! Dereliction of duty, incompetence, and outright malfeasence, and a mother dead! The “Law” decided the operator wasn’t responsible and had immunity. That happened in Charlote County Fl.

          • angelsinca

            Starting pay for a 911 operator in CO is less than minimum wage in San Francisco city.

          • pop mofolk

            Wasn’t he calling a non emergency police line?

          • ralphkr

            In Sanford it doesn’t matter whether you call 911 or a non-emergency number the call goes to the same operator. The difference is the 911 line will get priority over the non-emergency number.

          • pop mofolk

            He was calling a non emergency police line, fyi.

          • montanabill

            And your point is? As far as I know, 911 operators do not have the authority to order you to do anything.

          • pop mofolk

            he didn’t call 911.

          • montanabill

            Mea Culpa! However, the people he did call were not authorized to give orders.

        • hunter10

          I don’t believe you watched the same trial the jurors watched. Maybe they had better seating and could observe all the evidence and LACK of evidence the state had.

          • Dominick Vila

            Are you suggesting Trayvon Martin engaged in criminal or suspicious activities when George Zimmerman decided to follow him?
            The main reason GZ was acquitted is because of the inability of a mediocre prosecutor to debate his case in a convincing manner and because of his decision to pursue a strategy that should have been limited to manslaughter.
            Along the same lines, GZ enjoyed the privilege of an outstanding defense team, albeit for the fact that it required most of the $300K GZ received from certain groups.

          • hunter10

            Paragraph one..Pay attention. Didn’t say that.
            Paragraph two..The reason GZ was found not guilty is because the jury weighed the evidence and the states lack of evidence and determined GZ was justified in defending himself in accordance with Florida law.

          • hunter10

            P.S. Proud to say I contributed to his defense. Glad you approve of their performance.

          • Landsende

            It would be interesting to find out how much the NRA contributed to his defense since they have a vested interest in making sure the Stand Your Ground laws are not repealed because of incidents like this.

          • Dominick Vila

            Probably not as much as White Supremacist hate groups did.

          • adbj102

            Are you refering to La Raza, or the Black Panthers? oops—you forgot about them?

          • Dominick Vila

            Their centerpiece of the strategy embraced by La Raza to improve the conditions and rights of Latinos is to do it peacefully. Their record is not too dissimilar from Martin Luther King’s.

          • adbj102

            Again, who was this supposed agenda intended to fool. Said in English? NOT WHAT WAS SAID IN SPANISH verdad? Vuelve todo estas tierra a Mexico ???? As I heard it: it means —return ALL this land to Mexico La Raza is peaceful????

          • Dominick Vila

            Using statements made by people who feel persecuted or ostracized to cast doubts or to demonize an organization dedicated to the advancement and protection of the people it represents is the kind of generalizations and tactics used by those who oppose equal rights for everyone, and who believe members of some certain ethnic groups are not equal to them.
            Si quieres hablas en castellano, trata de hacerlo bien.

          • Dominick Vila

            Comments like the one you mentioned are often made by people experiencing emotions that cloud their judgment and common sense. I doubt too many Hispanics or Latinos expect the USA to give up the former Spanish-Mexican possessions (Florida, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Colorado…).
            Battles fought long ago belong in the history books, and when taken seriously only serve as a placebo or a diversion to the problems we ought to focus on.

          • adbj102

            My friends say “they only say that to get more supporters” sort of like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Say anything to get support from the radicals. Standard communist tactics….Alinsky the democrat Bible!

          • Bill

            So, did La Raza provide any support to George Zimmerman, who is half Peruvian?

          • Dominick Vila

            I doubt it. La Raza’s focus is on improving the standard of living and opportunities of Latinos from Mexico and Central America. I doubt they will pay too much attention to what the son of a white man and a Peruvian woman does. At least not to the extent of deserving help. This may surprise you, but most of the Hispanics I have talked to about this topic are appalled by the juror’s verdict and are convinced GZ is guilty. Generalizations seldom reflect the reality of our circumstances. Insinuating that all Hispanics-Latinos should support George Zimmerman because he is half ethnic Quechua or Aymara is absurd.

          • Bill

            Really? Like Sharpton or Jackson supporting Trayvon because he’s black?

            Face it. Don’t subscribe to the hypocrisy.

          • Dominick Vila

            I don’t know how I would have reacted if I knew my ancestors had been brought to this country in shackles and felt the pain of a whip or the indignity of being refused a drink in a cafeteria, riding on the back of a bus, or drinking from a water fountain with a sign prominently displayed above it that read “colored”, but I am willing to beat that had that been the case there is a good chance I would have reacted the same way Al Sharpton and others have. They understand better than most of us what African Americans have endured since the first slaves were brought to this country, and while most acknowledge that much progress has been made, many still believe that much remains to be done. I don’t judge people when they react emotionally to issues that affect them personally or as a group, I prefer to judge them when they voice their opinions, or by their actions, when they are calm and objective.

          • Roderick2011

            Zimmerman self-identifies as white.

            Maybe you should read his 2005 myspace page disparaging Mexicans to understand why LaRaza didn’t support him.

          • Bill

            Yes, I am sure La Raza is so principled that it will thoroughly research backgrounds and then pick and choose whom to use as excuses to justify its “mission.”

          • Bill

            No one can make chicken salad from chicken droppings.

          • Dominick Vila

            I hope so, I like chicken salad…

        • adbj102

          Again, all but #3 are wrong!

        • Bill

          The jury found different. Since it saw all the evidence and heard all the testimony, I’ll go with it.

      • RobertCHastings

        Except for one crucial piece of evidence introduced by the ME and testified to by the body of Trayvon Martin. The fatal bullet entered at a 90 degree angle to the chest, straight on, which could NOT have occurred if Trayvon Martin had been on top, especially if he were seen standing up. Unless, of course, you want to claim this was a miracle in which God managed to suspend the known laws of physics and geometry. It is simply amazing how quickly Zimmerman was able to unholster his gun while Trayvon Martin was straddling him.

        • Mark Forsyth

          Stirs memories of the Magic Bullet that killed JFK and hit Governor Connally as well.

          • RobertCHastings

            I am still wondering how he went forward from a shot to the Back of his head that left a piece of his skull and brain matter on the trunk lid, which Jackie was very clearly shown trying to retrieve.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Shooter from the grassy knoll and a well researched and rehearsed scenario dreamed up by corporate and government operatives,carried out in part by underworld personell.The report by the Warren commission won’t even serve as fertilizer.

          • RobertCHastings

            Grassy knoll or storm drain. There were some witnesses who claimed to have seen someone running from the hillside by a fence with what looked to be a gun. The whole thing could have been arranged by any one of a number of different entities, government or otherwise. Speculation still runs rampant.

          • angelsinca

            The First Lady wasn’t trying to retreive pieces of her husband’s brain. In her book, she explained she was grappling for safety, toward where the SS agents were calling to her.

          • RobertCHastings

            Yeah, right. A person who has just seen her husband shot and sees on the trunk lid what is obviously part of his head is going to try to jump out of the safety of her seat. Yeah, Angel, and the Tooth Fairy has a surprise for you tonight.

          • angelsinca

            Not sure how ‘safe’ it was in the car when two had already been shot. Just like the Zimmerman trial, we weren’t there. I defer to those that were.

          • angelsinca

            What is your point Robert? Try reading the book, any book. You will learn more there then you will with the usual pedestrian mocking.

          • RobertCHastings

            What book? You don’t mention a book by title, but I assume you have one in mind. Where were you in November of 1963? I was glued to my television as everything unfolded. National alert of the shooting, the pursuit of Oswald, the surfacing of the Zapruder film, all the initial speculation about Castro, Mafia, Hoover, even Johnson. When the Warren Commission came out with their findings, they were laughed at even back then. One shooter and one bullet, and then trying to say Kennedy went backwards because of his seat belt. What books did you read regarding this national tragedy, probably some revisionist history by Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly?

          • angelsinca

            I believe it was the autobiography Jacqueline K. co-penned. Everyone remembers where they were when JFK was assasinated. Being alive then doesn’t back up your morbid claim. FWIW, I was in a classroom in Silver Springs, MD in Nov ’63. In another 50 years, no one will remember Zimmerman or Martin. But, they might recall the president that fanned the flames of racism.

          • RobertCHastings

            Since Jackie has passed, Caroline has challenged some of her mother’s memories. Not that she supports what I Have claimed, just that she believes her mother may have distorted or forgotten some things, or wishes to remember them differently. Your “flames of racism” did not need any help from either Kennedy OR Obama or, for that matter, Lincoln. Even though Truman integrated the army, it took much more than for blacks to gain equality in this country (really, there is still a ways to go). When tens of thousands of blacks returned from the Pacific and Europe after WWII, they had a legitimate right to expect to fully participate in our democracy. In 1945, twenty years before the Voting Rights Act, blacks in the South were still under Jim Crow and were still prevented from voting. These are conditions none of those three presidents contributed to. The people who made racism an institution were operating long before then, and still ply the hatred.

          • angelsinca

            Thanks for the history lesson of race. Who are ‘the people that made racism an institution’ that are still ‘plying the hatred’? Sounds like you want to demonize white people(?). Presently, it appears the source of today’s racial exploitation is from the current POTUS, the NAACP and the USAG.

          • RobertCHastings

            Apparently, you don’t and never have lived in the Old South. Don’t know WHERE you live in this country, but if you think that what happened to Trayvon Martin is not symptomatic of racism, especially many of the negative responses to him and his friend, then you definitely have some issues. Jim Crow and other institutionalized aspects of racism STILL keep blacks in this country from getting their fairshare. Banks are STILL denying mortgage loans based upon race, courts are convicting young men because of their race, companies are still basing hiring on race. This is something I can attest to from personal experience growing up in the South. Racism is still alive and well.

          • angelsinca

            Everything you cite is illegal. None of my friends in the South, white or black, concur with your claim. If obeying the law is important it’s up to those being discriminated against to prove it. Or just put up with it. Maybe the EEOC should have more bite. If systemic racism actually exists, why have the purveyors of fairness been silent? They have the airwaves, the blpgs, the people’s attention, the courts, the white house. There remains no proof, just nagging suspicion and accusation. This about the 3rd time I’ve seen this level of racial crises in forty years. The laws usually change to discriminate against one class to appease another. What we DO KNOW, is that there has evolved a systemic favoritsm toward minorities by gov’t. Not agreeing with it, just observing. thanks

          • RobertCHastings

            Your ability and desire to observe appears to be somewhat selective. There exists NO systemic favoritism in favor of minorities, simply a system of laws that allows minorities a shot at equality. If you have been “observing”, you should have noticed over the past decade or so that affirmative action programs have been modified so as NOT to favor minorities, but to allow organizations to make decisions based upon diversity of their overall programs. Federal and state laws that prohibit hate crimes and provide greater penalties for such have been directed to punish those who exhibit hatred against minorities; however, these laws in no way “favor” minorities. Title 9, that requires institutions to provide equal funding for men’s and women’s sports, does not favor one over the other, it merely mandates EQUAL treatment. For generations, institutionalized prejudice against minorities has created a subclass of people who have been left behind and kept behind. Prejudice and bias, whether you wish to look at them as racism or not, are predicated upon our fear and distaste for “otherness”, whether that otherness resides in an individual’s race, ethnicity, gender, religion, or whatever. Racism as it relates to the relation between minority blacks and majority whites is institutionalized prejudice.

          • angelsinca

            Well presented. Thanks

          • Bill

            Without agreeing with any of your statements: You seem far more adept at pointing out problems than solutions.

          • RobertCHastings

            The problems I have dealt with are, by many, not even acknowledged as problems. Until racism and all that goes with is actually viewed as a social problem, it will never be adequately dealt with.

          • adbj102

            I too live in the south, You are full of crap!

          • RobertCHastings

            You are either blind or naïve.

          • adbj102

            you forgot the SPLC and La Raza.

          • James Lovejoy

            Which one would that be?

            Nixon and his southern strategy? Reagan with his ‘welfare mothers in cadillacs”? Bush with his Dukkakis Willie Horton ads?
            Surely you’re not referring to President Obama’s call for calm reflection? Even you couldn’t be that much of an idiot. Could you?

          • angelsinca

            Sorry, I must have missed all the ‘racial harmony’ that has exploded since Obama’s flubbed first oath. I was being kind when I said racism is all Obama will be remembered for. There’s the gift that will last for a generation, the debt. Then the high bar that’s been set for personal extravagance and excess. And we can’t forget flipping the people off with abuse of power and inability to tell the truth about himself or admit his inactions. The Blamer; short, sweet, acurate.

          • adbj102

            Check out Brasscheck, A movie about Johnson and the investigation by the Texas attn general, Johnson was being indited for extortion, murder and other corruption, but it was dropped when he became president, Bobby Kennedy was going to prosecute him, but HE was killed first! And JFK ordered the mint to print “US TREASURY CERTIFICATES and distribute them, the fed warned him “not to” (you aren’t going to get away from the Roschilde bank so easily) He distributed them, he was killed, Johnson signed the order to destroy them within the hour of JFK’s death, at his ranch! But of course the world bankers never do anything wrong???????

          • RobertCHastings

            Jesse Ventura for president! Let’s get all these conspiracy theories out in the open and see which one(s) fly.

          • adbj102

            Have you ever fired a Manlicher Carcano 6.5MM, accuracy about 50 yds, on a good day! But 300 yds, from an elevation, three shots hit a moving target??? And one managed to go through a skull without even having rifleing marks??? Fantastic. And shot from behind, the exit wound in back?? “Perfectly normal” only conspiracy theories!

        • adbj102

          Think, the witness said the man with the hoodie WAS ON TOP, straddling the one on the bottom, the man on top sitting, the man on the botton prone on his back, his gun was in back, under him, in the grass or on the concrete as may be. the only thing he could do was reach under himself and with his arm under him, pull his gun, now……with the chest presented to him, what made you think he could shoot the attacker in the back??

          • RobertCHastings

            THINK. IF the man on the bottom had his gun where he claims it was, how did he get it out with Martin on top of him, Martin who was so much bigger and more powerful. I never even implied Martin was shot in the back -where did you come up with that one? By your claim, ZIMMERMAN was on the bottom, (you know, Zimmerman, the man with the gun) with the gun and holster at his BACK, with a huge, intimidating black presence on his chest. How did Zimmerman manage to get his gun out AND fire at a 90 degree angle into Martin’s chest?

          • adbj102

            Looks like Zimmerman took several blows before he could get his gun out (but some libs accuse him of “Gunning for Martin”? and 90 degrees means directly into the chest, not from an angle as in a deflection shot, or near miss. I assume the gun was against Martin at that range, Martin was certainly not “running away” as you think all whities should. You people think non blacks should allow themselves and their wives and children to be assaulted and beaten to death just because the thug is black? ENOUGH OF THAT I also assume you are all right with Antonio West? Tell us, he was white, he got what he deserved. He must have been threatening to the teenage black thugs. (and 2 years old).

          • RobertCHastings

            “YOU PEOPLE” just don’t want to admit that this was a clear case of racial profiling. Martin was doing nothing to arouse suspicion. Sure he had his hoodie up over his head- it was raining and he was not carrying an umbrella (or a gun, or any other weapon). The size differential was perhaps a 3 inch height advantage for Martin, but about 30 pounds for Zimmerman. Neither had the reputation as being a roughneck or violence prone, although Zimmerman had an established pattern of frustration over people he perceived as always getting away with “it”. His intent was clearly established when he left his car with his weapon “field ready”. His prior calls to 911 established a motive.

          • adbj102

            You are the perfect example of what Pres Ron said about liberals ” It’s that they know so many things that aren’t so”

          • RobertCHastings

            President Ron. Is that like Obi wan? Now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while. Another quote from the inestimable Obi wan, “Who is the bigger fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool?”

          • Bill

            Yes and it was only GZ’s white half that packed the gun and did the profiling. His other half was merely out trying to watch over his neighbors’ property.

          • Bill

            Second shooter, obviously.

          • RobertCHastings

            Must have been the same “second shooter” that killed Kennedy. He really could still be alive.

    • angelsinca

      Makes one wonder how Dominic Vila was able to withlold this seemingly critical evidence from the trial. Because hearsay, assumption, and liberal logic aren’t valid legal points? The persecution of George Zimmerman continues in the hopes of demonstrating racism, where none is proven. Even the parents have accepted the verdict and unfortunate fate of their delinquent son. Maybe those who didn’t know Trayyvon as anything except a person of color could do the same.

      • Dominick Vila

        Since when is the opinion of a blogger considered critical evidence to be submitted during a trial? I am voicing my opinion, the same way you express yours. This murder has nothing to do with conservatism or liberalism, it was a influenced by a combination of circumstances including the decision of a neighborhood watch to take matters into his own hands, the decision of a young teenager to walk through a gated community alone, his decision not to run when he realized he was being followed, a lousy prosecution, and an outstanding defense team.
        The fact that Trayvon Martin may or may not have been engaged in gang related activities is irrelevant. Not even the defense team suggested that Trayvon Martin had engaged in suspicious activities when he decided to walk home through a gated community.

        • angelsinca

          Sorry, you seemed to be presenting a case to extend Zimmerman’s guilt with 7 reasons why he shouldn’t have been found innocent. It was a tragic night no doubt. The prosecution ALWAYS does a lousy job when you disagree with the verdict. To compound the tragedy, George will likely be found dead soon anyway if the threats from the Black Panthers and others are realized. Reality sucks. Racism sucks worse.

          • Barbara Morgan

            So why are you a racist? Your postings show that you have a strong racism streak no matter what you say. You call a teenager who was never arrested a delinquent since you have been shown Zimmerman’s run ins with the law when younger what is your definition him in his younger years. You can goggle George Zimmerman and find out about his past and how he was fired as a security guard for using excessive force.

          • edwardw69

            He was a bouncer at private parties, working for a security company. He threw a girl into a wall. Sounds like something he would do. No wonder the police wouldn’t hire him, even with his daddy’s influence.

          • RobertCHastings

            Excessive force? How could that be, was he trying to beat up a four year old? He admitted Martin was beating the crap out of him – a 17 year old beating up a man older a decidedly larger. WOW! The guy really needs to carry a gun.

          • Barbara Morgan

            Zimmerman was fried from his security guard job because he threw a drunk woman against the wall. READ my post I didn’t say he used excessive force against Martin (although he did). I said he was fired from his job for using excessive force, information posted by another poster whose information I trust and plus the fact that his dad was a magistrate who got some charges dropped after Zimmerman went into alcohol rehab. Zimmerman said that Martin was beating the out of him yet he was able to grab both of Martin’s hands and undo his hostler and take out his gun and shot him. Those are his words on an reenactment video he made for the police.

          • RobertCHastings

            I apologize for the misunderstanding. I was attempting to be facetious. I agree with your assessment completely.

          • angelsinca

            “Your postings show that you have a strong racism streak no matter what you say”

            Whatever you want to believe. Please do back up the racism claim with one little fact. Just one. It should be easy since apparently EVERYTHING I write smacks of racism, so says Babara Morgan. Please enlighten and back up the claim or apologize for the hateful, hurtful accusation.

          • edwardw69

            “George will likely be found dead soon….”
            More likely like Dan White, than the Panthers. And pretty much for the same reason.

        • Barbara Morgan

          Dominick, he didn’t just decide to walk through a gated community, he was visiting his dad and Dad’s girlfriend who lived there and I will ask you the same thing I have asked others, Why should he have ran when he was being followed? He wasn’t doing anything wrong and also why shouldn’t he been walking though the community alone? If he had ran then Zimmerman could say that he shot a warning shot to stop him but misjudged how tall he was and shot him in the back. Also if his Dad had been with him both would have still been stalked same thing if he had been with Dad’s girlfriend.

          • Dominick Vila

            You are right, he had all the right in the world to walk towards the townhouse where his Dad was staying. Unfortunately, the rights to apply to most Americans don’t apply to young African American males. They become a target the moment they step out the door. Those who support verdicts like the one we just saw will find my comment an example of racism, I believe it is a reflection of the circumstances we live in.

          • Barbara Morgan

            You are right, blacks especially males are profiled before they out of diapers by some many people and sometimes I wonder if that the reason some do what they do. I drove a transit bus for 22 years n a mid size city and saw this all the time, profiling young black males while not knowing anything about them. I dealt some of the meanest of the mean in all races and some of the best in all races. I had some trouble from the meanest of the mean but not a lot because I tried to treat people like I wanted to be treated and because of this, I didn’t have a lot of problems with passengers no matter what part of town of the town I was in and had plenty of help when there was trouble and most of the time the help was both black and white teenage boys or older black men. This country should be past all this racism and profiling and hate, but there are always people fanning the flames.

      • awakenaustin

        Just could not resist, could you? Had to throw that smarmy “delinquent” comment in didn’t you? Just can’t keep the vitriol in, can you? The poison demands to be released.

        Did you just high five or did you also masturbate after you heard the verdict?

        • angelsinca

          When you get a chance, look in the dictionary. ‘Delinquent’ is not vitriolic. You seem to be preoccupied with wanting to hate something AND self gratification. Enjoy.

          • awakenaustin

            Really? That is your explanation for your use of that word.
            Do you seriously think anyone other than your momma might believe that?

          • angelsinca

            DELINQUENT. Learn it. Get over it. When you introduce yourself with a d–k in your mouth, any concerns you have are unimportant. Go whine on someone else.

          • awakenaustin

            Touchy are we?

          • angelsinca

            Not really. Just annoyed by vulgar trash.

          • awakenaustin

            Really? Some folks think demeaning others for no purpose is vulgar talk. You know what they say about glass houses.

          • angelsinca

            If you are able to be specific, we can talk. Otherwise don’t make me accountable for your inability to control your foul mouth.

          • awakenaustin

            Maybe you should return to the original post to which I commented. Your “delinquent” comment was gratuitous and offensive. It was a totally unnecessary adjective. It served no purpose other than to be insulting. It added nothing to your otherwise painfully pedestrian views. It was flippant and intended as a crude sort of sarcasm.
            Don’t try high grounding it now, you lost that right when you posted that swill.

          • angelsinca

            Finally, a lucent response. Your original post was summarized with , “Did you just high five or did you also masturbate after you heard the verdict?”. This is offensive, intentionally insulting, gratuitous and totally unnecessary.

            Your lecture on the inappropriateness words is laughable.

            As the parent of a pot smoking, truant delinquent, I am fully aware of what a delinquent is. If Martin was my son, I would have to painfully relegate his tragic premature demise to his delinquency. This isn’t a gratuitous or unnecesarry adjective. It is an acurate description.

            You are only offended because of your overprotection of Martin (probably because of his race) and disatisfaction with the verdict, making you hypersensitive to PC. Sorry, but truthful description shouldn’t be censored to protect your feelings.

          • awakenaustin

            Of course it was insulting, gratuitous and unnecessary. You expect civility and grace when you fail to exhibit them?

            Your claim is twaddle. You did not say it because it was accurate, you said it because it was insulting. An insult was what I and everyone else saw.

            Really? You think if someone shoots your child in whatever circumstances it may occur, it was his/her fault because he/she smoked pot, and missed some school? I probably shouldn’t have to tell you this, but no one will believe that.

            Who says liberals are the only ones who play the race card?

            Within the confines of the law and the evidence presented, the verdict was most probably appropriate. You have no idea what I think about anything, except what I think about you. (Which I am going to stop doing in about two seconds.)

            But your comment still makes you the eastern end of a westbound horse. Is that sufficiently genteel?

          • angelsinca

            “You have no idea what I think about anything,”.

            True because you are all over the place. If you are unable to accept responsibility for what you say, then your words carry no weight. If something reasonable falls out of your mouth, it surely has to be an accident since someone else must have made you say it.

            I confess, maybe ‘delinquent’ was a little harsh. How about stoner, thug, punk, loser, slacker, cracker-hater. My heart really goes out to the Martin parents. You have to experience their heartache to know what they are going through. You have no clue. I’ve BTDT.

            Finally, one parting shared experience to call BS on your racism claim. When I was 17, my twin brother and I lived in an apartment in Compton, CA while working the Summer before entering the USAF. While riding my bicycle to get groceries, I was attacked by a gang of about 8-10 black youths. They came running at me, knocked me off my bike and stood in a circle to kick the shit out of this white kid that did nothing to provoke them except to be white. Despite this experience, I don’t hold animosity toward blacks. No one chooses their skin color. When ass wipes like you come around and start claims of racism, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. None.

            Back to the news, there seems to ba a gang of Trayvon supporters that just beat a white grandmother trying to take her grandchild to the hospital.

          • swb338

            You meant to disprove your resentment of black people but you inadvertently explained where it comes from. What was done to you was racist too and a hate crime. For what it’s worth, I’m sorry that happened to you, and thanks for your service. I don’t believe TM was the kind of youth who attacked you.

            He was a teenager who was scared to death and probably knew he was unarmed against someone who had a gun. When you’re in that situation, you assume you’re most likely going to die and you just pray you can somehow get the upper hand on the person following you. Then you frankly, if unarmed, would try to kill or completely incapacitate them so they won’t shoot you in the back while you’re running away.

            What happened to TM was an unspeakable tragedy and involved a good deal of negligence. What’s painful to me is has been to see people besmirching his reputation to defend GZ. It’s kind of like digging him up and shooting him again.

            It’s also something called jury nullification where you get an acquittal by proving the victim’s life is worth less than the life of the person who might go to prison. You will not get any Black person knowledgeable about the history of this tactic to listen to anything remotely judgemental anyone has to say about Trayvon’s life.

          • angelsinca

            “”You meant to disprove your resentment of black people but you inadvertently explained where it comes from.”

            On the contrary. I had every intention of explaining where racial resentment COULD have entered my life, but didn’t. It just isn’t in my nature to be superior over another race. Oddly, I have to constantly defend myself against charges of racism. White people are expected to be racist. When they aren’t, doubts remain. Those doubters are the ones that need to get the racism out of their heads and not push it off onto others. We have no choice over our skin color. I can’t get into the heads of Martin or Zimmerman. Your scenario seems plausible.

          • awakenaustin

            Reading and Comprehension were not your strong subjects in school were they?

            I manage to get through entire years without accusing anyone of being a racist. So far this year I have managed not to accuse anyone of being a racist, including you. One can only imagine why you would think those who disagree with you must think of you as a racist.

            You would realize, if you paid any attention to what you write and others write, that I never made any mention of race at all until you introduced it. You introduced it as a basis for claiming that my view of your comment should be discounted because of my racial sensitivity. I merely called you out on it. Is this a sensitive subject for you?

            You pound through here projecting your own habits, behaviors, attitudes and beliefs onto others apparently without any self-awareness.

            This was your second, third, fourth attempt at shifting this from your bad behavior to some other topic. You should consider a new tack.

            Just to show I actually read what you say. In one of your previous feeble attempts to insult me, you probably meant to use the word “lucid” and not “lucent,” unless of course you meant to suggest my response was “shining.” (Now you can add jackass to your ever expanding list of names to call me.)

          • angelsinca

            No, ‘lucent’ was the intent. You finally offered something to cast light onto the cause behind your vulgar remarks. Since most fire-breathing liberals use the race card, I made the assumption you had too, in error.

      • Barbara Morgan

        Wrong his parents haven’t accepted the verdict. They asked that there be no riots or destruction but not because they accepted the verdict but to keep this Country from having riots because of justice denied and to deny people like you the satisfaction of saying “we knew the blacks were going to riot because of one of their punks was shot by an innocent Hispanic man( which Zimmerman isn’t (he is white-Peruvian) . Also where do you get off calling their son a delinquent, he had been suspended from school but never arrested, nor sent to Juvenile Hall to service time. Where as George Zimmerman in his younger years was arrested more than once for fighting, attacking 2 ex girlfriends Two cases were dropped because no one would testify against including one of the of the ex girlfriends he attacked, she said she was to afraid of him to go to court. The other ex girlfriend was slapped because won’t stop chewing he gum loudly. She took out an order of protection against him which he violated and then he attacked her. What happened after the arrest is sealed so no way to know he got jail time or anger management classes.

        • edwardw69

          He had to enter alcohol treatment. That made it all–including the assault on a police officer–go away: his daddy was a magistrate. By the way, he was never tested for alcohol or drugs after his arrest for the murder of Martin.

          • Barbara Morgan

            I knew that he was never tested but Trayvon Martin, victim was tested, shooter not. Since Martin was tested so should have Zimmerman been tested. Thanks for letting me about his daddy’s job, wonder what else daddy got covered up when George was younger?

          • Rick

            Unless there is reason to suspect alcohol or drugs, Law enforcement cannot administer tests for such. This is in accordance with law. Trayvon was in a a area which according to information presented in one form or another was experiencing increased break-ins, coupled with the fact he was not a regular in the area, present issues for both sides. If you are in a crime area you become more aware of things going on around your home and area. Trayvon may have been moving in a suspicious manner, we don’t know. This was a terrible accident. I don’t think this was a racial profile issue as there is good and bad in all race, all nationalities. Unfortunately we still live in a society where some still continue to hold decades old prejudice. We as a entire society must work on eliminating these prejudices, where ever they may lie. As for the trial, there was evidence that was not allowed to be presented on both sides of the fence. This may have hurt the states case, maybe not. Also, this was not a jury of strictly whites. There was a Hispanic woman on the jury. People in society have a prejudice against Hispanics also. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we are a nation of laws. He was tried by a jury of his peers. He was found not guilty by those peers. I myself can see points made on both sides, so I am not leaning one way or another. This trial could have gone either way when you look at things in more depth, however the jury has spoken and the verdict was rendered. We all need to learn from this tragedy, which it was, and work together as a society to improve things in a lawful manner. Regarding race, the FBI in a statement says they found no racism involved. The Department of Justice is still invbestigating this matter. Let’s se how thing play out and then go from that point. There are 2 other points I wish to bring out, with the first one being martial arts. There is no evidence stating that Zimmerman was a “expert”. And there will always be someone who is better. Regarding the physiometry comment, it is possible to remove a firmarm that is in the back and brought around to a firing position, which is what happened. The question is what was the position of the arm and wrist, and also the position of Trayvon at the time of firing. We can question this for years, form different conclusions, and the list goes on. Again we must learn from the experience and work on making improvements. And last but most important which something that many have left out, I offer my sincere simpathy to the family of Travon. May the Lord offer His comfort and healing to you in this difficult occurence.

        • angelsinca

          “… to deny people like you the satisfaction of saying “we knew the blacks were going to riot “…”

          Sorry to disappoint, but there is NO satisfaction whatsoever from anything associated with this incident. None. Are sure you aren’t a racist?

        • Bill

          Only his white half did the bad stuff.

      • RobertCHastings

        What Dominic enumerated was NOT omitted from the trial, which you apparently did not watch. His 8 points were very clearly enunciated by the prosecutor, the ME, and various other witnesses. You must have been one of the jurors if you missed it. Racism HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED in the 911calls Zimmerman made over a period of months prior to the shooting. Trayvon Martin’s parents have NOT accepted the verdict, as they are pursuing civil avenues for wrongful death, and the DOJ will eventually pursue charges of civil rights violations.

        • angelsinca

          Thanks much for the update. Didn’t have the time to watch the entire trial. Work beckons. I did see an IV with the parents after the verdict. They didn’t voice any oppostion to the verdict. Their grace struck me as noble, under the circumstrances.

          • RobertCHastings

            I am glad I wasn’t retired during the OJ trial. At least back then Nancy Grace wasn’t around. Everyone had their own opinion, and could back it up with “facts”. Americans were outraged at the Amanda Knox trial in Italy when it was apparent she was tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. I guess it is okay for us to do it, but don’t let anyone else do it.

    • adbj102

      All right until #3, then the fiction starts, Martin climbed the fence (not coming through the gate, Nothing on security cameras) then loitered around the WINDOWS of SEVERAL HOMES, (not walking down the sidewalk) Zimmerman described him as suspicious (sneaking around looking in windows, NOT ON SIDEWALK) the dispatcher asked for a description, Zimmerman said: Wearing a hoodie and acting like he was on drugs! (autopsy confirmed) Not just MJ. THEN DISPATCHER ASKED ABOUT RACE Zimmerman said “I think black” only after being asked!! Zimmerman said: I will get the home number, the DISPATCHER SAID ” YOU DON”T HAVE TO” not, do not, not, don’t follow, and the DISPATCHER WAS NOT A COP, therefore Zimmerman did not “Disobey a cop”. Zimmerman was stupid enough to allow himself to be ambushed, and sucker punched (Martin bragged about ” The knockout game, and his participation”) The witness SAW THE HOODIE ON TOP HITTING THE PERSON ON THE BOTTOM (who was wearing the hoodie??) Only knuckle scrapes on Martin, Nose and back of head,and EMT said mulitple bruises on face, OF ZIMMERMAN. And Zimmerman apparently did not ask Martin to “stand off a bit so I can shoot you”. Martin got justice right there, otherwise he would have gotten away with it AGAIN. Before every time Martin attacked someone he was let off!

      • Dominick Vila

        One of the witnesses, Ms. Lauer, saw the man on top get up and walk away holding his head immediately after the shot was fired.

        • adbj102

          #1, like the welfare queen, Ms, Lauer ??? made up her testamony as did you. And why didn’t Martin show up on the gate camera entering? “Coming over the fence” was told to the origional responding cop. Do you think he JUMPED the fence? He sure didn’t want anyone to witness what he was doing. “caseing the joint, or whatever the term is in Ebonics.

          • Dominick Vila

            I doubt the Gipper’s strategy will get you very far, particularly when your hero, George Zimmerman, had been getting food stamps for months.
            There was no reason for Trayvon Martin not to walk through the main entrance to the gated community where he was staying, other than, perhaps, taking a short cut.

      • Rick Drake

        “then loitered around the WINDOWS of SEVERAL HOMES, (not walking down the sidewalk) Zimmerman described him as suspicious (sneaking around looking in windows, NOT ON SIDEWALK)”

        That’s a lie, Zimmerman never claimed any of that. He said:

        “It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about”

        “looking at all the houses”

        http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

    • sawbuck

      short story;
      zimmerman was out with a gun, looking for trouble. he found it, couldn’t handle it, and took the coward’s way out by shooting an innocent, unarmed kid who was either kicking his ass, or whose ass he couldn’t kick.
      either way, he is a loser and a coward.

      • alexdifeo

        I donated $1,000 to the Zimmerman defense fund… go George, most Americans support you ;-)

        • Mimihaha

          Speak for yourself.

      • Guest

        Violent, homophobic Trayvon was a loser. GZ is alive and free. How’d you miss all that?

    • Bill

      The jury said different. Since it saw all the evidence and heard all the testimony, I’ll go with it.

    • Cherie Fleming

      Were the words “f%&*in’ coons” omitted somehow from Zimmerman’s 911 call? I heard it plain as can be from day one after the media took this one on. Wikipedia had the tape online and you couldn’t miss it. Wasn’t part of his defense that he wasn’t racially motivated during the altercation? I think those two above words might have blown a nice hole in that argument. Also, Zimmerman followed Trayvon all the way home. I don’t know about the rest of you guys but I’d be just a little freaked out about that and I might try to “stand my ground” with I nice left jab if I thought It might help me out. So if Trayvon did bloody Zimmerman’s nose, I’d say he had it coming. And as for the back of his head, very easily could have been self inflicted. Look up Zimmerman’s work history, arrest record and protection orders. Why wasn’t that a factor in this case?

      • Dominick Vila

        Not only did Zimmerman use offensive epithets to describe Trayvon Martin, all the “intrusions” that he reported to the police prior to the Martin tragedy involved African Americans. The frustration he demonstrated when he said that “they always get away with it” referred to the fact that when the police responded to his previous reports they releases the alleged “suspects” when they found out that they all lived in the neighborhood and had a right to be there.
        I definitely would not engage in a friendly conversation with a guy that was following me on the way home in a dark and rainy night. Even if it is true that Martin fought Zimmerman, didn’t he have the right to Stand his Ground or is that reserved to only certain people?

  • FT66

    I do not believe all these nonsense that Trayvon Martin banged Zimmerman’s head on the cement. Looking at the pictures, it doesn’t make any sense at all. If anyone bang someone it doesn’t go on the side ways. It could have shown just below on the center of the head. I do guess Zimmerman after he has realised he shot someone, he might have asked his wife or anyone to hit his head by the torch he was holding.

    • hunter10

      The jurors were there and observed the evidence, heard the witness testimony, and rendered a not guilty verdict. Get over it.

      • Peoples425

        And we all know how well known Floridians are known for their intellect and logic. Lol

    • Barbara Morgan

      He could have done it himself, there have been cases where killers injured themselves to claim self defense or to blame the death of another on an unknown person. In Florida several years ago, A Georgia man and his wife had come down to there for the week end and to patch up their marriage after he was caught having an affair. According to him they were walking on the beach when they confronted by an armed man, The armed man supposedly shot the husband 4 times and he passed out, then when he found his wife had been shot and was in bad condition, he tried to carry to their car to take to the hospital. This story was proven false when there was foam found around the woman’s mouth like someone had tried to drown her, though he had 4 gunshot wounds they were not life threatening, his wife’s cell phone was in her purse in their car and he didn’t use it, and he passed lots of places to ask for help didn’t His jury got his case convicted of murder. There was a similar case in the Western part of the Country, woman shot her 4 kids and injured herself and claimed they had been attacked by some unknown man. One of the kids lived and mom was convicted of 3 murders and one attempted murder. .

  • Matt

    You righties are some sick people–so threatened, so frightened & afraid! Conservatives I pose a question for you, do you really believe you’re despicable behavior after the trial is going to increase your votes going forward in upcoming elections?
    Sincerely,
    Matt

    • angelsinca

      “…Conservatives I pose a question for you, do you really believe you’re despicable behavior after the trial is going to increase your votes …”

      No. Despicable behavior wins votes, does it? This explains volumes.

  • Allan Richardson

    Legal is not necessarily moral. The factors that did not convince the jury to convict Zimmerman in the LEGAL sense are still enough to convince many people that MORALLY he is guilty of the sins that LED UP to the shooting: ASSUMING that a black teenager was a “suspect” and trailing him; picking a FIGHT with Trayvon, probably by pointing the gun at him and asking him something like “what are you doing in my neighborhood, you N_” (although we have no way to know for sure). By the way, would not a teenage boy being followed by a STRANGER armed with a gun be in fear for HIS life? Only GZ (and, for those who believe in an afterlife, TM) know what really happened, and one day they may be able to sort it out.

    We need to examine why we have laws like this, and biased enforcement of them, as in the old days, when a black man who drowned in the lake tied up in chains was usually dismissed with “just like a N_ to steal more chain than he can handle.” But as for George Zimmerman personally, let us do as Shakespeare said about Lady Macbeth and her guilty conscience: “leave her to Heaven.”

    • AnnJo

      We do know that Jeantel said Martin turned to confront Zimmerman and asked the first question: “Why are you following me?”, and that what Zimmerman said was simply: “What are you doing here?” She did NOT hear Martin answer, “I’m going home; my dad lives right over there. Who are you to ask?” She heard someone yell, “Get off, get off.” She thought it was Martin, but others thought it was Zimmerman.
      There is no evidence that Zimmerman pulled his gun before Martin confronted him or that Martin knew he was armed.

  • Ford Truck

    I must be the only liberal in the U.S. the believes the jury got it right! Martin was not shot for walking home. He was shot because he decided to turn and become the aggressor against someone who was following him. If someone is following you and you are scared, you should run, not turn and attack.

    And the press, including the National Memo, continues to run old photos of Martin when he was much younger, smaller and more innocent looking than more recent photos that show a wannabe gangsta!

    • johninPCFL

      Yeah, a black kid running away from a gun-toting guy through a gated community wouldn’t draw any attention at all.
      Why didn’t Martin have the right to “stand his ground” while being stalked by an armed vigilante? It seems like under current Florida law, any altercation that turns violent is a reason for a shooting. And given that starting the fight (i.e. stalking the victim) doesn’t vitiate the “self defense” argument, there’s no reason to hold back anymore. Maybe that’s the reason there’s a lack of ammo on the shelves?

      • BigGuyDon

        Simple answer, we just need to arm all the black kids so when they stand their ground, they stand a better chance in the ensuing wild west style gun duel. This would lead to more gun sales, which is what the NRA wants, right?

    • funkifized

      Those “old photos” of Trayvon have been proven to be under disc months before the shooting. On the contrary, the pic of Trayvon flipping off the camera in “gang signs” style are of the wrong kid! The right-wing hate machine entered incorrect information and less again. If Zimmerman was innocent, why does he need less to make him look so?

    • Sand_Cat

      About the photos, you’re right.
      About Martin’s actions, you have no real evidence, and even if you’re right, doesn’t an unarmed person have the right to “stand his ground” and attack an armed person stalking him?

      • AnnJo

        Stalking is defined as REPEATED instances of following, contacting or surveilling somebody with the intent or result of intimidating them. Someone walking behind you on a sidewalk is not “stalking”. I followed someone on a sidewalk once for three blocks trying to figure out if they were an old high school classmate and trying to remember the name. I wasn’t stalking her. I’ve followed someone in my car for a few blocks who I thought might be driving drunk, trying to figure out if I should call the cops. Those were both perfectly legal activities and would not have entitled either of those people to assault me.

        • Peg

          She’d have been entirely within her rights, though, to feel threatened, the more so if you then approached in a challenging fashion. More, still, if she was a kid. Trayvon was a kid, more than anything else. Young enough to panic on finding himself tracked by an unfriendly man with a weapon. But, then, Trayvon’s fear doesn’t count. Only Zimmerman’s.

    • Barbara Morgan

      Don’t believe you are a liberal. But since you support Zimmerman and the not guilty verdict, answer these questions and try to convince us that Zimmerman is not guilty: (1) Why should Trayvon Martin run when he wasn’t doing anything wrong and probably wasn’t scared being a teenage male ? If it been me when I was a teenager and even now I am an old woman, I would confront the person following me and if I felt threatened I would attack first and ask questions later(2) Why did Zimmerman continue to follow Martin after the 911 dispatcher told him they didn’t need him to do that and that the police was on the way and he said he would break off his following but didn’t (3) Zimmerman was safe and dry in his vehicle (remember it was raining) and could have driven away if the situation got dangerous to wait for police, why did he get out of that vehicle(4) According to articles written about the trial and Zimmerman he is an expert in martial arts, why didn’t he use those skills.People that have taken martial arts for years say there are very few situations that martial art people can’t get out even when there is a surprise attack (5) Why did he put his gun back in his hostler before the police got there, being a criminal justice student and a wanna be cop he knew that he needed to leave all evidence where it was when the conflict was over(6) Why didn’t he call for emergency help for Martin before stretching out his arms to look for weapons or why didn’t call after his weapon (7)since Zimmerman said he had stretched out Martin’s arm why did all the crime scene photos show Martin’s body faced and his arms under him? (8) Since Zimmerman claimed that that Martin had been beating his head against a concrete sidewalk, why wasn’t Martin’s body found close to that sidewalk.

      • jointerjohn

        You raised some very good questions Barbara Morgan! I believe the sad answer to your #2 and #3 is that Zimmerman was looking to get on the evening news as a hometown hero. Well, he got on the news alright.

        • edwardw69

          I am sure he thought he had “one of them” in his sights. I sincerely believe he was shocked to find out the horrible mistake he made.

      • AnnJo

        1. Zimmerman had just as much right as Martin to walk the sidewalks of that development, whether behind Martin or not. If you attack someone first and ask questions later, whether you “feel threatened” because they’re walking behind you on the sidewalk or not, you will be guilty of assault and the person you attack will be entitled to defend himself, up to and including shooting you. If you felt threatened and had a cell phone, why not call the police yourself, and tell them you were being followed and felt threatened?

        2. I assume Zimmerman followed Martin to keep him in sight so that he could see if Martin tried to break into a house; there had been burglaries and that’s what he was trying to prevent. If he lost sight of Martin before the police arrived, the police would have turned around and left, and if Martin had been a burglar, there would have been another burglary.

        3. I assume he got out of his vehicle in order to see better. If it was raining, and given it’s Florida, I imagine his windshield was fogged up and he couldn’t see. I don’t recall whether the question came up in the Zimmerman police interviews.

        4. Zimmerman was NOT a martial arts expert. He trained at a boxing gym but had not been considered competent to actually box anybody yet.
        5. It is a very bad idea to have a gun in your hand when police arrive. With a choice of putting it on a wet pavement or in a holster, it would be automatic to put it in a holster.
        6. He couldn’t know for sure Martin was dead immediately. His first goal would have been to assure himself Martin wouldn’t come to, draw a gun and shoot him.
        I haven’t seen the crime scene photos, so can’t comment on 7 and 8.

    • FT66

      Why do you believe that Martin turned and became the agressor? Where is the evidence that he did so? What makes you believe that whatever Zimmerman said was the truth? Again no evidence. People in the store where Martin was, didn’t suspect him and was wearing the same cloth when Zimmerman saw him.

      • AnnJo

        Martin’s friend Jeantel said that she was talking to him on the phone and heard him make the first verbal contact, asking, “Why are you following me?” She then heard Zimmerman say, “What are you doing here?” and then someone yellling “Get off. Get off.” Obviously, Martin turned around to confront Zimmerman verbally. Zimmerman responded verbally. Then somebody jumped somebody. The only person who sustained injuries consistent with being jumped was Zimmerman. The only one who clearly expressed racial animus was Martin (“creepy-ass cracka” again according to Jeantel.)
        I wasn’t there, but Zimmerman’s story makes more sense to me than the story constructed by the prosecution. Zimmerman knew the police were coming shortly. He has no reason to physically assault Martin, much less the assurance that he could murder him, stage his own injuries, and do it all before the police arrived and without being witnessed by anybody in the neighborhood.

        • FT66

          I do think when Zimmerman said: what are doing here, was pushing Trayvon. Then Trayvon turned and that was when the fight started. I have seen this happens many times. So who will you call the aggressor here if not Zimmerman?

          • AnnJo

            Martin spoke to Zimmerman FIRST. His own friend said so. HE confronted Zimmerman verbally first. That is a fact.
            Who made it physical neither you nor I know, because we weren’t there. Even witnesses who were there didn’t agree on who was on top doing during the scuffle. I call Martin the aggressor only because the jury who listened to all the evidence apparently must have concluded that, or they wouldn’t have acquitted Zimmerman. If they had convicted him, I’d have accepted that Zimmerman must not have reasonably believed he was in danger.
            You can decide Zimmerman was pushing Martin, but that is simply your invention. There’s no EVIDENCE of that. If it makes you feel better, go ahead, but that is not about the facts, but your feelings.

          • Peg

            So, he has no right to defend himself, verbally or physically, against an armed and hostile stalker? Screw that. The bottom line is that he’s a kid who found himself being stalked by an unknown and unfriendly older man. An armed older man. In most situations Zimmerman would be held accountable as the elder, the stalker, and the one trying to claim “authority” as part of a neighborhood watch.

            But, gee. Apparently “stand your ground” only applies to the adult with the gun, not the kid without one.

          • AnnJo

            Peg, you keep saying he was defending himself against an armed and hostile stalker. But Zimmerman’s firearm was concealed, so Martin didn’t know about it. The only thing we know Zimmerman said to him was, “What are you doing here?” That is a mildly challenging question, but not overtly hostile. And being followed on a public sidewalk is not “stalking.”
            Sure he had a right to defend himself verbally from a verbal challenge. If he’s said, “None of your business what I’m doing here,” or “Who are you to ask,” we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion. And if indeed Zimmerman physically attacked him, he had a right to physically defend himself. But there’s no clear evidence that Zimmerman initiated the physical confrontation. He might have, but I don’t know and you don’t either. It’s only your bigotry that allows you to BELIEVE you know.

        • yaw danq

          ”Then somebody jumped somebody. The only person who sustained injuries consistent with being jumped was Zimmerman”

          The above statement depicts your predisposition, how do you infer the primary attacker?, the fact that Zimmerman sustained injuries does not mean he was not the attacker or the one been attacked. The jury found him ‘not guilty’, different from ‘innocent’ and we have to respect the law.

    • SicknessofChoice

      Ford Truck, normally I am at odds with most Liberals, but in this case you actually got it right so I must give credit where credit is due! Too bad that more of your Liberal compadres don’t have as much common sense as you do!

    • Jitterbits

      The photos, despite what right-wing media and Stormfront claim, were NOT several years old. The most commonly shown picture of him in the red shirt was taken a mere 6-7 months before his murder.

      I am so tired of this trope. Snopes, for one, debunks this myth that, like so many other “facts” about this case, has taken on a life of its own.

  • elw

    I have taken the stand to not trust anything the media claims is happening for at least 24 hours except when it a safety alert. In the last several years there have been far too many doctored or false media releases, too many claims of made-up scandals, false accusations and lies that are all pushed to stir people up. I figure the harder the Right works to make fools of themselves the better off the rest of us are. If they want to continue to fight about the Zimmerman trial, I say let them become the crazy person standing on the busy corner yelling and screaming holding a bible as the rest of the world drives and walks by paying no attention as they move on leaving the crazy people behind.

  • NMoshe

    I guess the upshot in the whole Zimmerman case is that conservatives have finally embraced constitutional protections of criminal defendants.

    • Sand_Cat

      Only when it’s one of “their” criminals.

  • Thirteen

    The danger of this verdict isn’t more riots, it’s more George Zimmermans.

    • edwardw69

      I wish I lived in Florida: where I live, my neighbor’s chickens keep getting into my garden; I have gone over to complain on multiple occasions. If I lived in Florida, I could wait until there are no witnesses, go over and shoot him point-blank in the heart, rake the front sight of the pistol across the bridge of my nose, hit my head against anything–just long and hard enough to get a little blood–and when the police arrive……well, you know the rest.

      • Mark Forsyth

        I would not be overly surprised to learn sometime in the future that Zimmerman was actually ” schooled” in methods to ensure the appearance of innocence in the event he shot someone.It’s akin to the old “drag him inside” routine to be used if you shoot someone breaking into your house. But much worse.

  • Matt

    I ask because I see nothing but despicable & disrespectful behavior towards the Martin family, people of color in general, & any human being with half a heart–one doesn’t “spike the football” upon winning a court case in which a mother & father have had their son murdered. This should not be a right/left, liberal/conservative issue which I recall {at the time} that everybody’s first instinctive response was to be outraged–WHICH IS THE PROPER RESPONSE!! Shortly thereafter the knuckle draggers Limbaugh’s, Hannity’s, Beck, & others cranked up their poison giving us what we now have–republicans making fools of themselves cheering the murder of a 16/17 year old kid.

    • AnnJo

      Their son was killed, but not murdered. A murder is an UNLAWFUL killing. This one appeared LAWFUL to the initial investigators, was prosecuted as a political event, and was found to be LAWFUL by the jury.
      My first response was not outrage because I wouldn’t know at whom I should aim it. My first response was curiosity as to which version of the facts would prove to be true – Zimmerman’s or the one seized on by race-baiters. Zimmerman’s was clearly self-serving, but possibly true, and the race-baiters’ was clearly self-serving but possibly true.
      Now we know, as much as we can ever know without having been there. And I don’t know any Republicans who are “cheering” Martin’s death.
      Yes, I do read the comments sections and see a lot of racism there; but that no more speaks to all Republicans or all conservatives than Martin’s assault on Zimmerman speaks to all blacks.

      • swb338

        Anne Coulter tweeted “Hallelujah”. Most people’s first instinct was sadness regardless of politics. Nobody wants to see an unarmed kid get shot to death. That didn’t last long….now all the months of dehumanizing caricatures of TM have had an effect on conservatives.

      • Matt

        Not murder? well that says it all doesn’t it! Don’t know any Republicans that are cheering Trayvon’s death? Really!…..Really!….. Are you able to read? Read the blogs not to mention what your party leader Limbaugh had to say–a new all time low! As well as Ann Coulters “measured,” “empathetic,” & “compassionate” take on Trayvon’s murder. Pretty disgusting! My conservative republican brother can’t believe the behavior of his party & fellow conservatives–considering leaving the party become an Independent. By the way as of yet no one from the conservative side of the aisle (except Joe Scarborough) has spoken out & condemned those statements. This ain’t your father’s republican party.

        • telecomviking

          Please describe what happened and how what happened is “murder.”

          Does your opinion stem from the legitimate sense of injustice this case engenders: that a 17 year old boy walking and minding his own business, being followed by an unidentified, possibly threatening man with whom a scuffle ensues, is killed? And, the man who killed him goes unpunished?

          Or, is it informed by the illegitimate feeling of injustice, that demands Zimmerman’s guilt regardless of what can be supported by evidence and proved happened?

          I personally believe this entire thing was a tragedy mainly caused by the intersection of Zimmerman’s overzealousness, idiocy, his feelings of inadequacy & Martin’s inappropriate physical response to his perceived threat. The law is very specific as to what constitutes “murder,” and those requirements, or at least the evidence required to prove the charge, are missing from this case.

          I suspect the inappropriate reaction you see from some republicans is not a celebration of Trayvon’s death, but rather relief at the rejection of the forces of “mobocracy.” Without adherence to the law, the mob will rule. While the mob may scream for Zimmerman’s guilt today, it may scream for yours tomorrow. Adherence to the law is the only safeguard against public opinion turning into public condemnation and prison terms. Public opinion is ungrounded and unpredictable. The law should give no thought to public opinion, and remain unswayed by it. However, in this case, without evidence to support the charge, public and political pressure nonetheless led to this trial. Since, the mob demanded the trial and got it, it was assumed that the mob would also be handed Zimmerman’s guilt. The reaction since proves that the mob does not care about a fair trial, only a trial that would convict Zimmerman.

          • Matt

            Your engaging in a whole lot of unproven mental gymnastics–murder is murder. “Martin’s INAPPROPRIATE physical response? The kid is fighting for his life & it’s INAPPROPRIATE? Don’t follow your logic. “is it informed by the illegitimate feeling of injustice”? (astounding logic given the fact that Zimmerman admitted he murdered Trayvon),”that demands Zimmerman’s guilt regardless of what can be supported by evidence & proved happened”? Nothing was proven in that trial except Zimmerman had better lawyers & that the prosecutors presented a ridiculously incompetent case both in it’s strategy & execution as well as it’s premise. I don’t believe what was presented in court is what happened & their is no evidence presented in that trial that proves what the defense asserts (Zimmerman’s side of the story, Trayvon never had a chance to tell his side of the story), ever happened. I believe Zimmerman confronted Trayvon with the gun either drawn or showing, (because Zimmerman was/is too big a pussy to fight man to boy), & that Trayvon was fighting for his life as evidenced by his horrific screams–which is the sound of a primordial scream of incalculable fear & an innate instinct to survive. I find your characterization of the peaceful protesters petitioning their government as a “mob” serves to inadvertently exposes your implicit racism. Anyone supporting Trayvon has to be a “mob” not citizens engaging peacefully non-violently in direct democracy. And by the way even with a painful verdict that was highly offensive & hurtful no one from Trayvon Martin’s parents to their supports ever said that they would not honor the juries verdict so your last paragraph has no basis in fact. The fact that you can state that their was no evidence for this case to go to trial is so absurd that it makes me wonder why I bothered responding to this email.

          • telecomviking

            You do not follow my logic because you are not logical in your thinking. You are completely emotional in your analysis and response. The facts support Zimmerman’s claims,and there are no others to dispute them. That is the law. The “mob” I refer to (if you cared to educate yourself on the ideals our republic were founded upon) is not those protesting but the fleeting will of the majority that John Adams called the “Tyranny of the Majority” which undermines Rights and Liberty. Your response shows that you do not understand anything that happened in this trial. Every claim of fact that you make is completely made up without any support.

  • SicknessofChoice

    The only knuckle draggers I see are the animals who are looting or attacking innocent people who had nothing to do with the verdict! No good criminals looking for any excuse to loot, rob and commit acts of violence! These idiots are up in arms because one of theirs was stupid enough to attack a guy with a gun and got smoked! Don’t have to have a high IQ to figure out what was going to happen there? What I can’t figure is why the hypocrites are all outraged about one black getting killed by a non-black, when blacks are killing each other 24/7, 365 days a year and yet no outrage about that, not by the media or by any of the race monkeys like Sharpton and other racists of his ilk? Why is that I wonder? Is death at the hands of someone of your own color a different death than from someone who is not your color?

  • AnnJo

    I appreciate that President Obama was trying to calm inflamed passions, and I’m sorry Trayvon Martin died, because even though he was by no means the model citizen some try to portray him as, he, like many punkish young men, would likely have grown out of it given a chance.
    Having said that, I see absolutely no reason to “honor” someone who tried to pound someone’s head into the pavement for the sin of asking what he was doing in a neighborhood he had just arrived in.
    And it seems to me that the ones who are disappointed in the lack of riots are the race-panderers like Sharpton. What is the point of calling protests in 100 cities, if not the hope that one or more will erupt? What exactly are they protesting? Jury trials? The option of self-defense? The right of all blacks to pound people’s heads into the pavement with impunity?

    • Peg

      How about the right of young black men to protect themselves against armed stalkers? Sounds about right to me.

      • Jitterbits

        Or to show solidarity with the Martin family, that even if the jurors ruled against Zimmerman’s guilt, there are many who disagree with that, who think that Trayvon should never have been killed and that allowing a murderer to walk free is a travesty. For months, much of the media has tried to incriminate a boy for his own murder, and a lot of us find that detestable. If it was your son, wouldn’t you want to know there are people who view him as a person, not “a thug”?

  • tdm3624

    I think the media wanted riots because it would make for a more exciting story.

  • tax payer

    What I don’t understand is the jurors saying ( he’s guilty and we gave him a verdict of he’s innocent ) because we didn’t know what to do, so why were we even selected as jurors? I guess because maybe you looked like people that had no sense what-so-ever.

    • telecomviking

      They, like many familiar with this case, came to two conclusions. First, that Zimmerman was guilty in the moral sense. Had it nor been for Zimmerman being an idiot and ass, Martin would not have been killed. However, based upon the evidence presented, he was not guilty in the legal sense. These are exactly the people needed in juries, those that judge guilt according to the law, not their personal feelings of justice, or injustice.

      This is one of those times that the law just does not offer what most would consider justice. And, I don’t know if it could based upon what happened in this case without an eye witness or more evidence.

  • alexdifeo

    Who cares about this case anyway? Punks like Martin get killed day in and day out…its for the courts to handle, they did, end of story.

    Its just Obama’s tactic to divert attention away from the crimes he’s committing against the People and the Constitution…

  • adam

    LMAO and people critique Fox news as being one sided..this is a virtual orgy of liberals sucking each other off..lol you all crack me up with your one sided opinions then patting each other on the back when you agree.. Highly intellectual I see.

  • Jack_Hoke

    As I read the responses on this blog, I am struck by people arguing like this was a white-black incident. George Zimmerman is not white. All that crap about him being a “white Hispanic” is nothing but the liberal media with an agenda. Zimmerman is a MIXED-RACE HISPANIC. His mother, who had a black African grandfather, is Afro-Peruvian. Zimmerman self-identifies on his voter ID and his driver’s license as “Hispanic”.

  • RykELee

    Hey Dominick Vila are you a Lion or a Tiger, I strongly suspect there isn’t a stripe on you.

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