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Tuesday, March 26, 2019

Several red states are turning down Medicare expansion — only Scott Walker (R-WI) is actually using Obamacare as an excuse to cut Medicaid.

Wisconsin’s Badgercare health care plan is one of the best in the country. Families qualify for comprehensive coverage if they earn up to 185 percent of the federal poverty level.

So when the Affordable Care Act offered all 50 states a chance to expand their Medicaid programs to cover all the working poor who earn too much for Medicaid but make up to 133 percent of the poverty level, what did Governor Scott Walker decide to do?

He put forward a plan to drastically cut Badgercare.

If Walker gets his way, his state’s plan will only cover residents who earn 100 percent of the poverty level or below — $11,490 a year for a single adult.

Tens of thousands of Wisconsites will be forced from completely subsidized health care to the federal insurance exchanges, where they can purchase private plans with a subsidy. To do this, Walker has to give up federal funding that would cover 84,7000 residents, which would lead to a $119 million cut to his state budget.

“But a detailed analysis of the plan by the Legislative Fiscal Bureau finds that many of the people now receiving state Medicaid coverage would likely not buy the more costly insurance through the federal program,” The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports.

“As a general rule, they’re going to be really strapped to do it,” Jon Peacock, research director of the Wisconsin Council on Children and Families, told the Journal Sentinel. “They won’t scrape together the money unless they really need it.”

The Bureau estimates that 7 percent will not buy the coverage. Peacock thinks that’s overly optimistic.

A new UW Madison study shows that Badgercare — which was expanded in 2009 — reduces hospitalization and improves management of chronic disease.

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144 responses to “Scott Walker Finds Another Way To Punish The Working Poor”

  1. CJR says:

    And he will run BRAGGING about how he turns down the Medicare expansion, despite the fact that it costs more money and lives.

    • Germansmith says:

      Not Medicare (which is health program for those 65 or older that have contributed Medicare taxes for 40 quarters or more) and is paid by both the government and the insured as well.
      Medicaid is a health program for the poor paid by both the state and federal government managed by the state. Medicaid is free health insurance for those that claimed poverty.
      These are 2 VERY DIFFERENT things

      • You are right, but in the interest of fairness I think we should point out that tens of thousands of seniors depend on MEDICAID to cover their nursing home costs, obviously, because they are poor and their SS check is not enough to cover expenses.
        Some of the folks that demonize these programs should indicate whether or not they are willing to support their elderly parents and grandparents, or if they are in favor of euthanasia. Judging by the number of Republicans applying for MEDICAID, WIC, and welfare I think the answer to that rhetorical question is obvious.

        • Germansmith says:

          Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. That is called Dual eligibility and you “should be” poor as a church mouse to qualify for that.

          And those on Medicaid can also get food stamps, welfare or disability income payment, free cell phones, etc….but we are not talking about Medicare Expansion…we are talking about Medicaid Expansion

          Medicare is an insurance program paid by Medicare Tax withholdings and premiums for part B and C

          Medicaid is welfare for those that claimed extreme poverty

          2 very different things !!!!

          I think is important that if a person is going to make a comment on an issue, they should know what they are talking about

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            The reason it is the sole source is that companies did away with pension plans, retirement health insurance and decent wages.
            People are not able to save for retirement when they barely are able to afford food. The rich bastards in this country will never be satisfied until they own everything and everyone else is a slave. The Walton family (Walton Family wealth, alone, exceeds the wealth of the lower 128 million American families combined).
            Does anyone remember the French revolution and what happened to the rich? Sharpen up the blade.

          • Germansmith says:

            Defined Benefits plans are unaffordable for any company or government agency in a society where people retire early and live well into the 80’s. They became so when we openned our markets in an effort to share our wealth with the rest of the world.
            Specially in some cases, Government agencies have paid more in a retirement pension of an employee than they did in salaries while the employee was supposed to be working.
            I do not disagree that corporations are abusing their employees and than more can be done to even up the playing field, but suggesting the French Revolution as an example how to deal with some temporary inequalities in society, shows that you are at best ignorant or at worst a typing raving maniac.

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            You can only push the poor so far and then they will rebel.

            Couple that with a government that no longer cares and you have the makings of a revolution. It is not a stretch to think that disparate people would do unthinkable thinks. I am from Pittsburgh, the city that, basically, started the labor movement when Andrew Carnegie and his henchman Henry K. Frick, disregarded even basic working conditions and then turned the Pinkerton company against the striking workers. Frick was shot and wounded in retaliation for those killed by the Pinkerton agency and thus began the labor verses management battle. Unfortunately, we now have a global economy with people all over the world vying for limited jobs. If government wasn’t providing for those people that lost their jobs due to the job displacement then you better believe that it could lead to a revolution.

            You call that temporary inequalities but they have been going on for the last thirty years and by many measures are getting worse. The middle class is shrinking so what more proof does one need to conclude that if the current trend continues serious unrest will follow.

  2. dtgraham says:

    Like, is this guy a walking Charles Dickens novel or something? Jeezus. Well, I’m going to choose to look at the bright side here. After hearing about all of the nasty, vicious, evil crap that the GOP have been pulling any more, I’m figuring that they must surely be nearing rock bottom as a party now. I remember during their primaries that their crowds applauded executions, cheered letting an uninsured man die, and booed an active duty U.S. serviceman for being gay. Now this too. I mean, where do you go at this point? For this party to get any further to the right, one of their candidates in 2015 would have to have a campaign ad just showing a video of the Rodney King beating to the sound of children laughing.

    • mah101 says:

      Unfortunately, we will long have a large group of people in this country who feel that their problems are caused by, and values opposed by, the rest of the country. Comfort is often found in demonizing and blaming those “others” and that emotional comfort – often expressed as anger and sometimes as hatred and racisim – is easily exploited by groups such as the GOP.

      I’m afraid that the problem isn’t going anywhere until we all realize that we’re one nation with many perspectives, and that this diversity is a strength – at least until someone tries to use it against us as the GOP is currently doing.

  3. Urbane_Gorilla says:

    Off to Florida to see how another Republican Governor is dealing with this issue…Read this about Florida and Medicare…Very interesting indeed. Seems business (read donors) really wants it:

    Why Florida Business Wants Medicaid Expansion via @BloombergView

    • Germansmith says:

      Which leads to another question
      What would happens if the State expands Medicaid and the Congress do not approved the Federal budget to transfer monies to the State to pay for the expansion?
      Who then pays for the political fall back? Obama or the Governor that will be force to roll back expansion and cut thousands from Medicaid coverage?

      • Urbane_Gorilla says:

        It would be nice if laws were written to provide ‘escape’ or ‘contingency clauses’ as you have in real estate transactions. But who knows. IMO there’s enough big money behind the Medicaid expansion to see it pass.

      • Justin Napolitano says:

        What bullshit. The Federal Government is far more reliable than any business that promises pensions will be there for their employees when the retire. More reliable than state government like Wisconsin.
        Worry about whether the company that insures your car will fix it after an accident; the Federal Government is not going to default on its commitments.

        • Germansmith says:

          I guess you must have missed the government class where they teach you how government works?

          Did you missed the part that budgets needs to be approved by Congress and signed/veto by President? Did you missed the news a few months ago where checks were delayed due to the budgetary crisis? Are you aware Republicans control the House?

          My insurance company has a AAA rating. If it is covered by my policy, I know repairs will be paid for. The US has just an AA+ rating and I believe that is generous since our national debt is 100% of GDP and about a half of it is held by foreigners
          I suggest that before you accuse anybody of bullshit make sure you know what you are talking about, Justiiiiin

          • Independent1 says:

            In calculating a country’s debt to GDP ratio you don’t include debt that the government owes to itself (interdepartmental debt); which in the case of America is about 5.5 trillion. You only use debt that’s held by those outside the government like bondholders. So America’s debt to GDP is really about 70%. Using the same method, most country’s similar to the US run a debt to GDP above 80% – last I saw, Canada’s ratio was over 87% and Japan’s was over 100%.

          • Germansmith says:

            Even assuming you are correct……
            Where do those departments of the Federal Govt. gets the money to pay each other?
            It sounds like you are using Enron Accounting principles. If you move the liabilities around it makes the balance sheet looks much better.
            Also as you mentioned Japan, it is also important to remember that 95% of the Japanese Debt is held by the Japanese themselves. In the case of the US our biggest rivals hold at least a third of it.
            Even as I do not agree with most of what Romney said, think he had a point when he told us to make sure whatever we spend money on is worth the fact that we are borrowing that money from China.

          • Independent1 says:

            The reason for not including intragovernment debt in the calculation, especially in the case of the US, is because most of the debt is based on accounting rules simply to keep track of what one part of the government owes to another. And should there really be a need to cover the debt, being that the debt is held in American dollars, the US can simply print more money to cover the debt. And for example, if Japan included in it’s debt to GDP ratio the monies that the Japanese government owes to itself, its debt to GDP ratio would be close to 200%; not close to 100%.

  4. It should be readily apparent by now that most Republicans, especially Tea Party members, did not learn anything from the last election, that they still control the agenda in Red states, and that they have managed to derail President Obama’s second term agenda thanks, to a great extent, to the indifference or fear shown by many Democrats in Congress.
    Radicals like Scott Walker, Rand Paul, Michele Bachmann and others should not be allowed to get away with overt attempts to support the elite that funds their campaigns at the expense of the middle class and the poor. Shame on those who support these morons, and shame on the pathetic politicians that allow them to get away with murder.

    • gvette says:

      Facts are Dominick, republican run states are in the black. Deomorat run states
      are all going broke. You fools on the left, think government should pay your everything. You’ve been listening to Barry’s lies, and you’re not bright enough to see where it ends.

      • tobyspeeks says:

        gvette, where do you get your stats from? Oh yeah, just like all other Teabaggers, you pulled them out of your ass. Wisconsin is not in the black!!! Matter of fact soon at Walker took the helm we went 160 million more in the hole. We went from 11th in job growth to 44th. There are no savings here in Wisconsin. It’s all smoke and mirrors. Get off your lazy ignorant ass, get out of your mother’s basement and see for yourself.

        • gvette says:

          As you like to blame the republicans for everything. the house comes up with bills. Harry won’t even let them on the floor of the senate.

          • morbius777 says:

            Are you working on secession yet?

          • gvette says:

            Well let’s see. I used to live in NY state. take a good look at that state. run by demonrats. oh, i’m sure you don’t care, but i am a conservative. you’re a name caller, and that’s usually the trait of a demonrat. Oh, in csae you didn’t know, government doesn’t create jobs. the private sector does. True wealth starts with that, not the public sector.

          • morbius777 says:

            See, this is why you conservatives have no credibility. Of course, government creates jobs. Do you think police, fire, courts operate for nothing? You have been hoodwinked, gvette. Who benefits ultimately, from small or no government? The very wealthy. Case in point: walmart. They do not even pay substance wages, will fight tooth and nail against unions. So where do their employees go to make up the difference? Food stamps, public assistance. So the rest of us are basically subsidizing wallmart profits, and the Waltons. This makes your augments ridiculous.

          • gvette says:

            This is going no where. all that that you just mentioned, is paid for by taxes. That’s the stuff destroying our country. breaking it
            financially. Are you old enough to remember this was a manufacturing country? If, and when we get back to it, we will survive. In simple math, you can understand…you can’t have three people working in the private sector, supporting 5 in the public sector. If you don’t understand that, you deserve what your’re going to get.

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            Were in hell did you get your ratio of public workers to private workers, out of your ass. There is no such ratio!
            You are among the dumbest people on earth, are you proud of that fact?

          • gvette says:

            I’m trying to give you an idea of where we are headed. When government employs more people, then the private sector does, that’s what you end up with. We are headed that way fast, as our government keeps getting bigger.

          • Our government has gotten smaller under President Obama. And you really need to take a civics class, an economics class, turn off the Fox “news” and read some newspapers and news magazines.

          • gvette says:

            Here’s a little blip from CBS

            Looking solely at the increase in non-postal-service federal employees during Obama’s tenure, the president has overseen a 5.1 percent increase in size of the federal workforce.

          • Independent1 says:

            Let’s settle this Big Government argument with some FACTS from an article in PoliticusUSA:

            Big Government? Obama Has 273,000 Fewer Federal Employees Than Reagan (while supporting 100 million more people).

            Every single Republican today talks about being a Reagan
            conservative. This is a conservative that believes in small government, reducing federal spending and ultimately runs a lean and mean government. They talk about this stuff in campaigns, but in practice they failed miserably. In fact HISTORICALLY, it is has been Democratic presidents who have reduced the size of the federal government. The
            Republicans have lied to the people so much that I believe the current crop somehow BELIEVES the history as they have been told, rather than researching the facts for themselves. This may be a stretch, but I am trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. According to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, which tracks the number of employees per year, the data shows that the “conservatives” for small government are really just big government conservatives. I know that is an
            oxymoron, but numbers don’t lie.

            Let’s start with Carter:

            On December 31st 1976 (Not Carter’s term yet), total
            nonmilitary personnel was 2,883,000. By December 31st 1980 the end of his term (minus a month), the total in nonmilitary personnel was 2,875,000. Federal government nonmilitary employees shrunk by 8,000 employees under Carter.

            On January 21st, 1981, President Reagan started with
            2,875,000 nonmilitary federal employees. By the end of Reagan’s terms the total number of nonmilitary federal employees was 3,113,000. That is an INCREASE of 238,000

            Let’s move on to President George H.W. Bush.

            On January 20th, 1989, total federal nonmilitary employment was 3,113,000 by the end of his only term, President George H.W. Bush had 3,083,000 federal nonmilitary employees on the books. That is a REDUCTION of 30,000 employees.

            President Bill Clinton came into office with 3,083,000 and by the END of his TWO TERMS he reduced the number of Federal employees to 2,703,000. That is a reduction of 380,000 federal employees.

            Now finally, President George W. Bush came into office
            with 2,703,000 nonmilitary employees and by the time his terms were through, the total nonmilitary federal employees on the books were 2,756,000, which is an INCREASE of 53,000

            The small government, lean and mean political party, seems to be the Democratic Party. President Clinton reduced the size of the federal government’s nonmilitary employees by OVER 10%.

            The “so called” small government President Reagan iNCREASED the nonmilitary size of government by almost 10%. In fact, Democratic president Bill Clinton reduced the
            size of the federal government employee size to PRE- REAGAN levels.

          • gvette says:

            Thank you for the facts and figures. I chuckle a little over one thing you said. Figures don’t lie. I’ll add the rest. But liars can figure.

            Local, and state governments did slim down. I guess what I’m concerned about
            is…what happens in a little while. The Affordable care act, for one.

            Thank you for your time. I’ve enjoyed this.


          • plc97477 says:

            I don’t know if any one ever told you but the public sector workers also pay taxes. so we have 3 people in the private sector and 5 people in the public sector supporting the 5 in the public sector. That is 8 people altogether since I realize math is hard for you.

          • gvette says:

            You like to be insulting. I realize you folks can only talk that way.

            I’ll give you some numbers. You can even look them up. In NY state, there
            are roughly 1.6 million

            government workers. The pay for a month is 6.5 billion dollars. That’s not
            counting pension, or

            healthcare, that they don’t contribute to.

          • gvette says:

            All you on the left can do, is name call, and write thing to make yourself look smart. Public sector pays taxes. Yes. They also get the best
            pension, and healthcare there is. They don’t have to contribute to it. So,
            after they retire, they will suck more from the system, then they ever put in.
            The private sector doesn’t get that. They just get to pay for it.

          • plc97477 says:

            I don’t know about your state but in my state public employees have to contribute to their retirement plans.

          • gvette says:

            You’re lucky. They were going to try that in NY, but the union
            went nuts!!

          • GuinnessWoman says:

            Yes, gvette but if those things are privatized. Which the republican party wants to do. Do you have the money to pay the firefighters to put out your house fire? Read your history before firefighters and police were paid for by tax dollars. Also if we get rid of the public sector do you have the money to pay for everything that they provide?

          • gvette says:

            You see, you fokls always go for things you see. Take a look at what you can’t see. All the government workers you don’t see.

          • Independent1 says:

            You’re using a totally irrational example: At the end of George Bush’s 2nd term, there were about 2.8 million government employees serving over 300 million people (over 100 million of them working). Hardly 3 in the private sector to 5 in the public. And if you don’t like Government workers, maybe you should ask George why he added more government workers during his 8 years than all the presidents before him since the Big Depression (he added almost 2 million to support the wars he started, work for FEMA and to manage all the federally mandated programs he created). Obama has reduced the number of federal workers by over 600,000 by streamling departments, cutting out programs that really weren’t working and winding down the wars – remember, the military folks count as government workers).

          • gvette says:

            This, from one of you news sources.ABC.Looking solely at the increase in non-postal-service federal employees during Obama’s tenure, the president has overseen a 5.1 percent increase in size of the federal workforce.

          • Independent1 says:

            I was not aware that the total numbers I was quoting (of a 600,000 decrease) were for the entire government sector (not just the Feds). But I’m not sure where you’re getting the 5.1%, in the ABC article (below) Krugman quotes the figures of 2.77 mil at the end of 2008 and 2.8 mil now: that’s only about a 1.2% increase. But he also notes that for the entire government sector that there has been a 600,000 worker decrease:

            One of the least appreciated but easily-confirmed facts about the current state of the American economy is that the number of Americans employed by the government has gone down under President Obama. But apparently this is news to one the Republican Party’s most prominent tea party conservatives. During a roundtable discussion on ABC this morning over the size and adequacy of the 2009 stimulus, a flabbergasted Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) asked economist Paul Krugman if he was actually arguing that government employment had gone down under Obama:

            PAUL: The thing I don’t understand is that you’re arguing that the government sector is struggling. Are you arguing that there are fewer government employees under Obama than there were under Bush?

            KRUGMAN: Of course. That’s a fact. That’s a tremendous fact.

            PAUL: No, the size of growth of government is enormous under President Obama.

            KRUGMAN: If government employment had grown as fast under Obama as it did under Bush, we’d have a million and a half more people employed right now — directly.

            PAUL: Are there less people employed or more people employed now by government?

            Krugman quickly pointed out on his blog, the answer is “less.” Now, perhaps Paul was thinking of employment by the federal government alone, which did tick up just slightly: 2.77 million at the end 2008 versus 2.8 million currently. But add in state and local government jobs, and the hard number for government employment dropped by around 600,000 after Bush left office.

          • ococoob says:

            You talk like an idiot just like you spell words right.

          • gvette says:

            All you can do is name call. True sign of a democrate. I feel sorry for you.

          • GuinnessWoman says:

            Really gvette, where are the jobs that the private sector is creating? Really, my state is 44th in job creation. The private sector is not creating any jobs. Yes the government can create jobs. As a matter of fact there was to be a federally funded train project here in Wisconsin that would have created jobs. But our great Governor turned it down. Roads and bridges are collapsing those projects would create jobs which are funded by the government.

          • gvette says:

            I’ll ask you a simple question. Who pays the people that get government jobs?

          • GuinnessWoman says:

            Those of us who pay taxes. Without government jobs you would not be able to afford the services they provide. Unfortunately all the taxes are being paid by the poor and the dying middle class. Not by the corporations and the CEO’s they are getting all the breaks while the rest of us get all the bills. Do the rich not use our roads, our infrastructure for their business? Do they not rely on the police and fire departments, they need to pay taxes no more loopholes?

          • Independent1 says:

            Private sector creates jobs is pure BS – not during a recession. Explain to me how the Private Sector can create jobs during a recession!! Are companies going to give everyone a raise to influx money into the economy?? I doubt it! Are companies going to add jobs when they know people are hurting for money and business is slowing down?? Absolutely not!! Private companies HAVE NEVER created jobs – NEW CUSTOMERS, is what creates jobs. And during a recession, the only way you spur people to be NEW CUSTOMERS, is by injecting money into the economy like via a stimulus or by cutting a tax that gives them more spending money. THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAS NEVER CREATED A JOB!!! They offer a product or service, and if there are more customers than whomever starts the company can handle, then the company will add a job. BUT IT’S CUSTOMERS THAT PUSH A COMPANY TO ADD JOBS!!!!

            Did the GOP learn anything from that exercise in futility??? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!

            The GOP and Herbert Hoover believed that fairytale back in the late 1920s/early 1930s. Herbie, the big businessman (a la Romney) had a brain storm, if I cut the budget and raise taxes (yes raise taxes) while the private sector spurs the economy, we’ll bring in lots of tax revenues. So that’s what Herbie did, he cut budgets and actually raised the max tax rate to over 60% – guess what. The private sector couldn’t do diddly squat about spurring the economy so the economy fell flat and America and the world ended up with the Big Depression -that actually took about 13 years for America to fully recover from.

      • Bobbie D Barnett says:

        It’s strange that you lump all red & Blue states in separate piles when you have no idea of which you speak. Some states both red & Blue are going broke as well as the Nation & it’s all because of our gop led House & because of their ignorance about caring for the American people. They could care less about the welfare of the American people.

      • morbius777 says:

        Not true. The blue states are supporting the red state. Get your facts straight. Comments like yours are the reason I support southern secession. Know this: we don’t want to live in a fascist/feudal state, and we don’t like or want you. Please; hurry up and secede.

        • Fern Woodfork says:

          Don’t You Guys Know A Troll When You Come Across One??? gvette Is A Troll No Matter What You Try To Prove They Wont Believe It!! They Have Been Drinking Way Too Much Venom Sold To Them By Fox Fake News, The American Taliban, And Rush Limpdick!!!

      • Red states are among the worst in areas such as education, healthcare, infrastructure and industrial development. People in those states earn the lowest salaries and get the worst corporate-provided benefit packages in the nation. If that was not bad enough, they are the largest recipients of MEDICAID and welfare in the country.
        The opposite is true in most states with Democratic governors and legislatures.

        • gvette says:

          Ny, CA. are those your examples? stop listening to Barry. he’s feeding you garbage, and you believe it.

          • morbius777 says:

            Anybody who continually refers to Obama as “Barry” is most likely racist. Is it the fact that you can’t stand the idea of a black man in the white house that’s got your dander up? And would you be honest enough to admit it if it is?

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            Go away dumb ass, your ignorance is showing.

          • Fern Woodfork says:

            gvette Is Just Another Lying Koch Brothers Ass Kissing TROLL!!!

      • That’s a rediculously false generalization. The fact is Democratic leadership is more responsible to society as a whole, while being far more ethical stewards of taxpayer money. Texas couldn’t exist without the federal government as is the case with most of the southern tier.
        Dominick and other lefties are anything but “fools”. Even so – I’d rather be a fool than an idiot. Now go turn on Rush and FOX RUSE and remember to wipe the drool from your chin.

        • gvette says:

          Texas. that’s funny. That’s one state doing better then most! Stop getting you news from a comedian. I’m from NY state. It’s broke, and it’s getting worse every day. Barry is spending us into
          oblivion. Pisses away money by the billions, and you’ve got the nerve to tell me about fiscal responsibility?

          • morbius777 says:

            Most of the jobs in Texas are minimal wage jobs. Is this the kind of jobs that you think will build the middle class? The country is/was built on a combination of private sector/public sector jobs. Shrinking the government benefits the wealthy/corporate types. That, sir, is called feudalism. At least be honest enough to admit to this.

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            Texas has the most people without health insurance in the United States. It also has some of the lowest wages. Go live in Texas if you want, they need another unhealthy slave.

      • Independent1 says:

        Red states are in the black??? Only based on their budgets, and because Red States suck the most Federal dollars of all states. Of the 17 states that get less federal dollars than they pay to Washington in Taxes, only 3 of them are Red States – it’s actually 14 Blue States that are supporting the country. Of the 21 states that have more than 15% of their residents living in poverty and therefore sucking welfare, 19 of them are Red States. Of the states that suck Food Stamp dollars, Red States suck more than 75% of the Food Stamp money. It’s been nitwit GOP legislators in Red States, that in order to “balance their budgets” have cut state budgets and services so far that they’ve thrown millions of their residents into unemployment and onto welfare (most of the Red States actually teach people how to fill out federal welfare forms). Red States are without question the biggest welfare suckers in the country and their state budgets are in the black only because of all the Federal dollars they’re sucking from Washington. And Texas, which Rick Perry would like you to believe is a glowing example of a Red State has taken the budget stuff to the extreme and he and Bush have turned Texas into the Cesspool of America:

        .Texas is 49th in the country in tax revenues collected per capita and 50th in revenues spent.
        .It’s 44th in tax progressivity, which means it collects most of its taxes from working people and it comes in 50th in the percent of its population that have a HS diploma.
        .It ranks 46th in the overall SAT scores it’s students get on entrance exams; and 49th in what it pays its teachers.
        .It ranks dead last (50th) in having the most people without health insurance and also dead last in the number of children covered by insurance.
        .Its 49th in the support it provides to women & children in the WIC
        program, and it leads the nation in teenage births.
        .It ranks 6th in the nation in the number of people living in poverty and 50th with regard to the affordability of homeowners insurance.
        .Texas ranks 45th in the overall health of its population and 47th
        with respect to mental health.
        .The quality of the highways in Texas is ranked 42nd and its parks and recreation facilities are ranked 48th and environmental protection 46th
        . Police protection is ranked 49th and government administration 50th.
        .Texas comes in 3rd in the nation in the number of public officials that are convicted for a crime; while being dead last in the percent of voters who turn out for elections.
        .It’s 46th in the hourly earnings of its workers and 48th in the payout of
        worker’s comp benefits.
        .And Texas ranks as having the most polluted environment in the nation because of all the oil spills that haven’t been cleaned up and the refineries and coal fired power plants spewing toxic fumes.

        By what other measure does Texas have to turn up close to last before people realize that by moving there they’re simply moving
        to what is really the cesspool of the nation. And I’m also amazed, that with a dismal record like the above, Rick Perry would even consider running for president of the US???


    • TheSkalawag929 says:

      Dominick at one time I empathized with Wisconsinites. But after their failure to re-call the governor and to get out and protect THEMSELVES from the tyrannical republican regime I don’t with them anymore. There is nothing you can do for someone if they won’t help their self.

      I don’t know if gvette lives in Wisconsin but if he/she does is typical of the kind of people there in Wisconsin then they are getting the kind of government that they voted for.

      • I understand your position Skalawag yet, this was never close to being a fair fight. At one point Walker had a 15:1 cash advantage – with the overwhelming majority of his money coming from out of state millionaire and billionaire contributors. Walker and his fear mongers did a lot of damage with that huge advantage. You can win an election by being outspent by a 3:1 margin, after that it’s a futile endeavor. This election was won from the standpoint of a rigged and battered election funding system, allowing mammoth corporate contributions with virtually no oversite. Essentially ‘a walk in the park’, for those savagely corrupting our representative government.

        • TheSkalawag929 says:

          I agree that money bought a lot of air time and ink but I don’t understand how Wisconsinites don’t see that they are being raked over the hot coals and who is raking them. I mean if someone is kicking me in the gut and bashing me in the head I don’t care how much money they are spending telling me different. I can see for myself who’s doing it and move to get rid of them. Why can’t Wisconsinites?

          • smartdee says:

            MONEY IS POWER.

          • I agree with Skalawag. There is no question that money influences the outcome of elections, but when people are being robbed and denied the labor benefits they fought so hard to earn, their decision to vote for someone like Walker defies logic. I worked 44 years before I retired, and I could have cared less how persuasive commercials and newspaper articles would have been if someone was taking away my benefits and affecting the well being of my family.

          • smartdee says:

            The aim of the wealthy is to eliminate the middle class. I am a retired teacher and what he did to the state teacher’s is an abomination. The Tea Party and their kind would love to see the elimination of unions everywhere and labor rights for all. In short, just be a slave to me so I can continue to enjoy my rich and powerful life. Sometimes it is hard for those who do not have the means to fight them and of course, too many people are complacent or too ill informed to make a good choice at the polls for the good of all. Walker is also in hot pursuit of I.D.’s at the polls which will create hardship for the poor and elderly. Just be glad you do not live in this state.

          • TheSkalawag929 says:

            smartdee I think the tea party is given way to much credit for the gains that republicans have made.Yes they are influencial in the republican party but aren’t there enough rational thinking Republicans and Independents in Wisconsin to blunt their power? Aren’t there enough middle-class Wisconsinites that see their way of life being destroyed to make a difference?
            Until Wisconsinites get tired of being kicked in the teeth or wake up to what is going on before their very eyes you guys are in for some rough times.

            I understand that republicans are going to make it as difficult as possible as they can to vote and that they will cheat with redistricting in order to insure they maintain control but just like the old Spiritual says: “Ain’t gonna let nobody turn me around”.

            You say “Just be glad you do not live in this state.” that would not be my attitude. My attitude would be that the republicans picked the wrong fight because I’m about to wear their sorry no idea behinds out. I would be sending a message to all those who would try to take my rights from me that they are in for the fight of their life.

          • Joe Bonfiglio says:

            Here we go with that crap again. Only the rich white folk carry ID. If you are too stupid to be able to attain an ID card, chances are you are too stupid to figure out where or how to vote.

          • johninPCFL says:

            Or you were born in a different state and didn’t keep your birth certificate with you. Or you born black in the south and didn’t get a birth certificate to start with. Or you can’t take several days off work to return to your birth state and get a copy (yes, you have to apear in person.) Or your certificate was destroyed (live in Oklahoma?) and the hospital you were born in no longer exists. Or you are a student and the GOP just changed the law so your state-issued student ID (with a photo) isn’t a valid voter registration document anymore. Or you are an out-of-state student and the GOP just changed the law to tax your parents if you vote.
            Most of the crap here is between your ears.

          • One state actually refused college ids as valid, but a concealed carry gun permit was “proper id”. That kind of “pick and choose” on valid identification is strictly used for vote suppression. It helps the TP/GOP select their voters as the only valid voters. Totally unconstitutional.

          • JO says:

            That was the ruling in Wisconsin. Our guy Walker and his crooked cronies strike again. There are still lawsuits pending over all of that. Trouble is the majority of our state supreme court judges are Walker allies.

          • Joe Bonfiglio says:

            Or, if you sit around on your computer all day trying to come up with excuses about how life has failed you. All of those lame, cry-baby, woe is me excuses would not keep you from getting an ID. If a hospital catching fire keeps you from getting an ID, then you are someone just looking for any excuse to blame something or someone for your shortcomings. Lazy people count on people like you to excuse them for not taking responsibility for themselves. But you are a liberal, you want these people to depend on you. That is how you keep your power. How sad!!!

          • morbius777 says:

            There are many reasons why one might not have an ID…. But the reason behind republican push for voter ID IS voter suppression. W tried for 8 years and only came up with a few. Republicans know that if everybody votes, they lose.

          • William Akers says:

            “The comforts of the rich are dependant upon an abundance of the poor” [Voltaire]

          • smartdee says:


          • 4sanity4all says:

            True, but, the ads were a really clever spin job to convince people that Scott Walker was really on the side of God, the angels, and the working man. I am naturally very cynical, and if I had been a Wisconsin voter, I hope I would have dug deeper to find out the truth, but I have to say, the ads were relentless, slick, and designed to muddy the waters. I imagine some people didn’t vote, because they were tired of the whole thing, always a bad idea in my opinion. Others may have been persuaded to vote against their own best interest by a well waged campaign of misinformation.

          • smartdee says:

            That is true…many people were election weary and others felt that an elected official should be allowed to serve out his term. We are still feeling the effects of Walker’s dictatorship. In some small way, I hope he does run for President and loses and we would be rid of him.

          • TheSkalawag929 says:

            Money is over rated.
            Power comes from within.
            There are a number of examples out there that prove my point. I’m sure that you can think of some yourself.

          • 4sanity4all says:

            as a Wisconsin voter explained to me, Walker was able to amass campaign funds and signatures from the moment the recall started (by law), but his opponent was only allowed to do it from 30 days before the election, a huge disadvantage. And I was in Wisconsin during the ad blitz, and boy were the ads misleading. I wondered if people would be able to figure out the truth after all the spinning and half truthing and lying.

          • TheSkalawag929 says:

            It seems as though there is a lot more to it than we outsiders are aware of.

            I am sufficiently chastised.

          • JO says:

            Long before the Democrats were ready to file, a big republican donor actually filed the first recall papers for that very reason They wanted to give Walker more time to raise unlimited funds.

          • morbius777 says:

            I think airing untrue ads, especially TV and radio should be a felony.

        • Money for a state election should come from residents of that state only.

      • smartdee says:

        We did not vote him back in…the likes of the Koch Brothers and their ilk bought him back in and now we are stuck with the SOB. He continues to do these kinds of things. It sure will be interesting when there are dead bodies lying in the streets (as in India) because of his decisions regarding health care. Maybe that’s how he plans to create jobs by hiring others to shovel the bodies out of the streets and dump them into a ditch and cover them up. All I have to say is that if anyone votes for him to become President, should he run, God help them. The man is an idiot and an easy puppet to the almighty wealthy who pull his strings!! Trust me, the power will go to his head and there will be no more middle class; only the poor and the rich.

        • TheSkalawag929 says:

          smartdee you have an election coming up. Take YOUR STATE back. Send Walker and as many wrong-wing fringers packing. You can do it. It may take hard work but the task is no insurmountable.
          It’s time for real Wisconsinites to get to work.

        • GuinnessWoman says:

          He is another Romney except worse and besides the GOP won’t nominate him. Your other statement is gross but unfortunately you maybe right. Don’t you find it amazing how these republicans consider themselves pro-life but don’t take care of the lives that are already here.

        • morbius777 says:

          Thats exactly the goal of the rich: feudalism in America. In their mind, only the “smart and deserving” should have money, money being the qualifier.

      • JO says:

        Big money, lies and suspicious vote counting in Kenosha County kept Walker and a questionable State Supreme Court justice in office. When there is a close election the clerk in Kenosha county, Walkers pal, somehow comes up with enough votes to keep republicans in office. Unfortunately we have too many tea baggers, Fox news fans and people who don’t know what is going on so vote the way the NRA tells them to.

        They also did everything possible to suppress votes in Democratic leaning areas. My sister voted after work and had to stand in line over 6 hours, they even tried to close the polls with people still standing in line that had been there for hours. In the last election they actually gave away free tickets to sporting events at a polling place in Kenosha county on voting day. Yes, they have been investigated, but it is too late now.

        Please continue to empathize with us. We are in political pain here in WI.

        • TheSkalawag929 says:

          I do.

        • 4sanity4all says:

          yes, as I recall, the paranoia around “taking away your guns!” figured large in the campaign. Wisconsin is a state that is HUGE on hunting and outdoor life, so many voters responded to that. It was all a lie, of course.

          • TheSkalawag929 says:

            Hopefully without the gun issues on people’s minds more rational votes will be cast and the republican majority will be cast out.

          • 4sanity4all says:

            Unfortunately, the Koch brothers know that many people ARE one issue voters. When I see people in my state voting against a really good candidate because he thinks women should have the right to choose abortion, it makes my head want to explode. And in Wisconsin, where hunting is a really big deal, many voters will vote for anyone who agrees with their right to bear arms, no matter if other than that he is a complete jerk. In cases like that, if a man has a job with benefits, he couldn’t care less if anyone else struggles to afford medical bills, or can’t find work. He thinks, I got mine, because I am so smart- to hell with you- I’m keeping my guns!
            If you are thoughtful and smart, you may assume that other people are, too, but I am sorry to tell you friend, many people are one issue voters, or they actually believe the ridiculous ads they see on television.

          • TheSkalawag929 says:

            No disrespect 4sanity4all but your post does not speak very highly for the mentality of the people of your district.

            I understand the propensity you have toward your head exploding but you have to fight it for the common good.

            I believe the causation of Democratic heads to explode is one of the important reasons why republicans do what they do.

            They do it in order to cause democrats to loose their cool.

            Democrats need to look to the President during these situations.

            He doesn’t loose his cool and it drives republicans to the brink of distraction.

            If we as Democrats can emulate the President’s cool we can push the republicans over the edge. And they will expose themselves to the American people to be the frauds that they truly are.

            Republicans win if they can frustrate us. They loose if they can’t.

            We are the masters of our destiny. We are the controllers of our fate. As long as we keep that in mind we will prevail in all the battles that we take on.

          • morbius777 says:

            Having a HUGE outdoor hunting life is worth having school shooting after school shooting? Really??? Or is it more about the survivalist types thinking they are going to fend off the mysterious black hawk government? Tell them to move south, and secede.

        • GuinnessWoman says:

          You forgot Waukesha county. They had some questionable votes.

          • JO says:

            You are right, how could I have forgotten that. I think the clerk in that county was on “Judge” Prosser’s legislative staff before he ran for judge. She pretty much stole the election for him by finding enough votes (that had somehow been un-reported) to give him the win, after he had been declared the looser, with just enough margin to prevent the automatic recount. They say she is a computer whiz-bang, so could make the voting machines do what she wanted.
            It is an uphill battle for anyone running against them when they will do anything to “win”.

        • morbius777 says:

          Put the heat on these baggers and do it personally. Let them know they are NOT welcome in Wisconsin. Tell them to move south and secede.

      • GuinnessWoman says:

        Hey I worked hard on the recall and was devastated when he won. Unfortunately there were too many people who believed he should have been allowed to finish his term. People do not understand republicans are only conservative towards the rich. So many of them will need the programs that the republicans are trying to destroy. I am not proud of my state nor my country.

        • TheSkalawag929 says:

          I guess they won’t see the light until the programs they need are no longer there when they go to use them.

          • GuinnessWoman says:

            Exactly, and as far as I am concerned I believe when someone wants assistance. Their voting record should be checked to see if they voted for candidates that opposed these programs.

          • TheSkalawag929 says:

            “Their voting record should be checked to see if they voted for candidates that opposed these programs.”

            Then we would be just as bad as the republicans.

          • GuinnessWoman says:

            You are right my bad!! But it gets my goat that they are not realizing how they are hurting themselves.

          • TheSkalawag929 says:

            I understand. It’s tough doing the right thing sometimes.

  5. JDavidS says:

    Must be something in the Wisconsin water… This guy is, just like Paul Ryan, nothing more than a piece of maggot shit wearing a tie.

    • morbius777 says:

      They are nothing but puppets for the 1% like the Koch brothers and corporate types. The 47% that Romney was referring to, they could care less about.

      • Independent1 says:

        And like Romney, Walker probably isn’t aware that the vast majority of Mitt’s 47% (the supposed folks who don’t take responsibility for themselves – he thought because they don’t pay taxes) are really Republicans in Red States where the average wages are so low that large portions of the residents don’t earn enough to require that they pay any income tax; and it really wasn’t these people that Mitt needed to be denigrating. But then when you’re just plain clueless!!!

    • Allosauridae says:

      I agree about the Paul Ryan thing but not all of us Wisconsinites are like that, nor do we all vote for those pricks.

  6. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG says:

    Walker is the puppet and the puppeteers are Diane Hendricks and Koch Brothers. Walker was bought and paid for just like all the property Hendricks and the Koch
    brothers own.

    The people of Wisconsin put Walker in office, kept Walker in office and now they will reap what they sow.

    Wisconsin ranks approximately 42nd in job creation.
    The percentage of children in poverty jumped nearly nine percentage points from 2011 to 2012; it’s currently 21.4 percent.
    Wisconsin ranks 50th for binge drinking, with 24.3 percent of adults affected.
    Wisconsin spends $39 per person on public health funding – less than any other state.

  7. RobertCHastings says:

    How in the name of commonsense did he survive the recall? Were the folks in Wisconsin just sound asleep during the whole thing?

    • Bobbie D Barnett says:

      Probably just drunk.

    • Germansmith says:

      Do not judge people in Wisconsin until you walk a mile in their moccasins (Kind off a Native American proverb)

      • morbius777 says:

        Well, there must be some screws loose with some of you folks if you elected this jerk.

        • Germansmith says:

          I am not from cheeselandia
          I am from the land of sunshine, orange juice and Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
          But each state have their own challenges and voters tend to temper excesses in their state. Maybe Walker is a product of some excesses in Wisconsin.
          In my state, I would vote for anybody that is aiming to curb lawyers excesses abusing the government and insurance companies that drain our coffers and make insurance more expensive.

      • RobertCHastings says:

        I was born in Milwaukee, and many of my father’s cousins etc. still live in the area. Wisconsin has a history of union activism and Progressivism (as well as the tarnished legacy of McCarthyism). I have walked in my own shoes in the state I believe to have the clearest air and the brightest lakes in the country(although their winters are a bit cool). With some of the blackest, richest soil in the country, it smells alive and fertile. These are memories I will never forget, and will always cherish. I simply cannot understand how they could have let Walker walk.

        • Germansmith says:

          Well, if you study the political history in the US, you will see that we tend to swing from one extreme to the other (sad, because the solutions are not from either the extreme right or extreme left)
          Maybe Wisconsin is suffering from their history of union activism and their reaction now is elect politicians with the clear goal of busting unions.
          I was born in the Caribbean and I lived in Mn for a while. Calling those winters “cool” is a serious understatement.

          • RobertCHastings says:

            As you astutely observe, we are in a cycle of governing from the extremes. Consensus is a much more likely outcome if we govern from the center, which eliminates the fierce partisanship smothering DC.

    • Mike Truax says:

      I think it was $28million in ads in 30 days. All LIES! ALL LIES!!!

      Koch (Read about Fred Koch and then tell me the Tea Party is not about racism), Rove, Hendricks, Sheldon, Romney, Devos families and all the treasonous paid for politicians (mostly republican) and others buying control our government are the reason for the Second Amendment! Not being afraid of children in hoodies, like they want you to think. They have a deep hatred for democracy, the average American and the American government. They have bought Judges (even supreme court), state governors and legislatures and DC.

      • RobertCHastings says:

        While your sense of alarm is very understandable, and you do see that corruption in government is not reserved to the Republicans alone, I feel that you are just a little askew. The Tea Party is an offshoot of the attempts to ban the control of tobacco in the 70sand 80s, built from the same roots and sponsored by the same people. A more sophisticated NRA has managed to take advantage of that structure to push for legislation (provided through ALEC) favorable to the gun industry. One thing you do hit on is the complicity of the Supreme Court, especially Antonin Scalia, a close personal friend of an NRA attorney who argued the Second Amendment case before the Supreme Court some years ago. Because of his close personal ties to that attorney, Scalia should have recused himself; however, Scalia seems to feel that he is unlike any one else on the planet and refuses to accept that his decisions will be influenced by personal relationships with the contestants in any case. He has sat on several cases involving another close personal friend, former VP, Dick Cheney, never seeing any conflict of interest. Please do not assume that I am criticizing, because much of what you say is right on. However, you may not even know just how right on you are. If you do some research on the issues you raise, you may be surprised at your good aim.

    • plc97477 says:

      He survived the recall but it reeked of partisanship.

    • Allosauridae says:

      There’s a lot to it. Did you see WHO he was running against… the man that was taking money illegally. I know some from the Milwaukee area where real wary on voting for that criminal. Then you have the whole money crap… some people listen to the person they hear most about… Walker. Other than that, not sure why ANYONE wanted him back in. ( I did hear of foul play at polls… )

      Driving from 1 side of the state to the other you’d see many signs against him… but then the people for him…

      We were one of the few houses in this small town that had an anti-Walker sign. (the town was Pro-Walker… but we also have jerks running this town and people who think they are better than everyone else.)

      People can rank on WI all they want. A large number of us did NOT want this prick in and still fight his ideas. I’m still proud to be from my state & will fight to get her back.

      • RobertCHastings says:

        I wish you all the luck in the world. Only through good folks like you and your family will Wisconsin get its mojo back, and this country once again find its soul.

  8. latebloomingrandma says:

    Now lets hear about what a great Christian this guy is because he protects embryos.

    • Independent1 says:

      While at the same time just waiting for a chance to start a war so he and his defense industry buddies can profit handsomely while not caring that thousands of those saved embryos may end up dying. (A la George Bush and Dick Cheney)

  9. Germansmith says:

    I am not a supporter of Scott Walker and yes, the State will benefit from the Feds largesse pumping money in the state that would create new healthcare jobs for the Medicaid expansion.

    I think for Scott Walker is not a question to benefit Wisconsin but of principle and budget cuts

    If Obamacare will provide subsidies for poor people to buy health insurance (and penalties if they do not) and will force large employers to implement health plans for their employees…why would he not take the opportunity to reduce Wisconsin share of the cost of paying for Medicaid costs, at least temporarily?

    In the long run, somebody have to pay for it and that means you and me in a form of increased income taxes.

    I do not know about State taxes in Wisconsin, so I have no opinion about that part. I am from Florida and we DO NOT have any State Income tax.

    • Justin Napolitano says:

      I live in Florida and while we do not have a State income tax we still have plenty of taxes. One other thing we have is millions of visitors that pay an enormous share of the taxes collected in this state.
      Florida has a 75 billion dollar annual budget and a lot of that money comes from tourists.

      • Germansmith says:

        If you are complaining about Florida taxes, try living in Chicago, Michigan where you have Federal and State Income tax as well as outrageous taxes in the city…and still have to suffer the 2nd highest murder rate of any mayor City (LA is still number one)
        I am a Floridian as well and I am happy living in the State that other people save year round to go on vacation.

        • Independent1 says:

          If you think living in Chicago is a threat, don’t move to Louisiana, the murder capital of the country. Louisiana averages more than 11 murders/100,000 population annually – the next highest is Mississippi with around 8 murders/100,000 pop. Despite Chicago’s high rate, Illinois overall is ranked 12th in the nation with the rate for the State of about 5.6/100,000.

          • Germansmith says:

            The main subject were taxes and murders in Chicago (a city not an State) was an afterthought.
            I have a question and maybe you have this statistic.
            How many of the murders in the US are criminal on criminal?
            (just to see how that distorts the whole picture)
            How many murders are husband on wife or vice versa? Or somebody shooting a lawyer for any reason.
            Most of what is left over are truly innocent victims and bystanders.

  10. howa4x says:

    Governors like Walker make it harder for the national GOP to reach out to anyone not rich or white. This war of the working poor is an integral part of the republican agenda. This is also a payback to the Koch bros who helped Walker avoid a recall loss. Once again the middle class is being used to shoot itself in the collective head. Not only is the governor a mean spirited person but is union busting. Most of the middle class has lost site of the fact that it was built by strong unions and not the altruism of the industrialists. The Koch’s once again succeed in getting the middle class to vote against themselves. Walker is their pawn and appealing to angry whites who want to punish anyone not one of them. This republican war against the down trodden and children shows them to be the party of mean once again. This is completely contrary to what Jesus preached and I wonder what kind of Christian lives in that state?

  11. CrankyToo says:

    The general consensus seems to be that:

    a. Scott Walker’s a POS of the first order; and,

    b. the people of Wisconsin deserve what they get for failing to kick his sorry ass out of their statehouse when they had the chance.

    And I concur with all of that.

    But my disappointment over the result of the Walker recall election was not for the people of Wisconsin. Indeed, they deserve to be abused by Walker and his Greedy Old Prick minions for being so blatantly stupid as to allow him to stay.

    No, my disappointment is for the rest of us, who were counting on Wisconsin to do us all a solid. Had they fired that traitorous POS, and about 4 other shitbag Repugnican state legislators (as I recall), it would have sent an unmistakable message to other Repugnicans in Congress, and in statehouses across the country (as well as their puppetmasters) that we’re tired of being shit upon by them.

    Not only did Wisconsin fail us in that regard, but by their failure, they emboldened these rats to up their game and escalate their scorched-earth agenda all over the country. Thanks for nothing, Wisconsin.

    Wake up people! We need to fire these Repugnican shitbags wherever and whenever they stand for election or reelection. Never, never, never pull the lever for any Repugnican on your ballot!!! That’s the lesson we should all take from the 2010 midterm elections, if not even more emphatically from the 8 disastrous years of the Bush 43 administration.

    PS – “Walk a mile in their shoes?” Are you shitting me, Germansmith? Go f##k yourself.

  12. Sacerdotus says:

    Scott Walker for President! One way to save Wisconsin.

  13. WesleyV says:

    Sorry Wisconsin but you voted this for this guy twice. Enjoy!

  14. Scott Walker is filthy Godless parasite.

  15. Bill says:

    Just another case of GOP reality, fight for you until your born, after that your on your own, when your of no further use to the rich, your free to die.

  16. smartdee says:

    I just want to say thank you to 4sanity4all, Jo, and Guinness Woman among others who have brought up things that I had either forgotten or overlooked mentioning. Many people are so in the dark as to how far people in Scott Walker’s back pocket and many of the GOP will go to get their way. There has never been so much finagling brought to light any time in the past that I can recall. Too much corruption. The lawmakers in Washington are so busy investigating the other party that they have totally failed to do the job they were elected to do! I think the American people should fire each and every one of them and start over by electing honest people without tainted money and political agendas. I know, good luck finding them.

    • Independent1 says:

      Smartdee, if you’re wondering where Walker got the guts to forcefully bust the unions in WI, it was probably from the example set by Ronald Reagan when he busted the Air Traffic Controllers Union back in the early 1980s. Reagan was a known union hater and even purposely set up the National Labor Relation Board with two guys that also hated unions. In case you and many others haven’t thought much about it, it was during Reagan’s two terms that the relationship between companies and employees really went down hill. As I recall, it was the early 80s when the company I worked for started laying off some of what I thought were the companies better/more valued workers and replaced them with younger people they didn’t have to pay as much. And it seems like a little later, companies started pulling back in offering pensions and the whole loyalty thing between a company and its workers just went downhill. It seems that Corporate CEOs got the sense that if the president of the country could bust a union and not feel a need to negotiate with them, why should they, wasn’t worrying about the bottom line and the company’s stock price more important anyway???

      • smartdee says:

        You’re right. I had forgotten about that. I know what you are saying about laying off good workers and hiring younger people who will work for less. It has happened around here. The problem with that is that I’m sorry to say the younger ones are not inclined to want to work as hard nor do they have the greatest attendance records. So many of them want the things their parents have because of many, many years of toil, but they want them right now and with a minimum of effort. One other large problem is that the CEO’s are only interested in protecting their fat paychecks and those of the stockholders. I continually blame all the woes of this country on one thing, GREED.

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