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Sunday, September 25, 2016

Lindsey Graham Is Wrong: Immigration Reform Can’t Stop The GOP’s ‘Death Spiral’

Lindsey Graham Is Wrong: Immigration Reform Can’t Stop The GOP’s ‘Death Spiral’

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) warned that his party is facing a “demographic death spiral” that can only be stopped by comprehensive immigration reform, during a Sunday appearance on NBC’s Meet the Press.

Graham, a member of the Senate “Gang of Eight” and arguably his party’s most vocal advocate for immigration reform, argued that the GOP is doomed to fail in the 2016 presidential election unless Congress passes the bill that he co-sponsored.

“[I]f we don’t pass immigration reform, if we don’t get it off the table in a reasonable, practical way, it doesn’t matter who you run in 2016,” Graham told host David Gregory. “We’re in a demographic death spiral as a party and the only way we can get back in good graces with the Hispanic community in my view is pass comprehensive immigration reform. If you don’t do that, it really doesn’t matter who we run in my view.”

Graham is right to be concerned about the long-term impact of his party’s dismal performance among Hispanic and Latino voters. More Latinos voted in 2012 than in any previous presidential election, and they sided with President Barack Obama over Mitt Romney by a staggering 71 to 27 percent margin. As the Latino share of the vote grows — and it surely will, according to the latest data from the U.S. Census Bureau — Republicans will struggle to win any national elections without attracting a more diverse base of support.

Unfortunately for Graham and his colleagues, however, converting Hispanics to the Republican Party will not be nearly as simple as he hopes. While extreme positions such as promising to veto the DREAM Act, end bilingual education, and hope for “self-deportation” certainly didn’t help Romney and the GOP in 2012, immigration is just one aspect of the right’s vast problem with Hispanic Americans. For despite what many politicians and pundits often seem to assume, Hispanics are not single-issue voters.

According to a wide-ranging Pew Research study from April 2012, Hispanics are politically predisposed to the Democratic Party. The study found that 30 percent of Hispanics describe themselves as “liberal,” compared to just 21 percent of the general population. Only 32 percent describe themselves as “conservative,” compared to 34 percent of the population at large.

Furthermore, Hispanics clearly favor a Democratic vision of government. When asked whether they would prefer a bigger government providing more services or a smaller government providing fewer services, they chose big government by a staggering 75 to 19 percent margin. By contrast, the general population favors a smaller government by a 48 to 41 percent.

As long as Republicans continue to run on policies such as Paul Ryan’s budget — which would radically shrink the federal budget, ending government as we know it (and is still not right-wing enough for some congresspeople) — Hispanics will not vote Republican in large numbers. Accepting a constructive solution to the nation’s broken immigration system would be a good first step, but until Republicans stop excising all but the most extreme-right-wing positions from their platform, they will remain the party of old, white men — and hardly anyone else.

AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite, File

  • John Pigg

    It’s not so much that they think it’s easy. Their emphasis is wrong. The reason so many Hispanics voted Republican was not because they knew the in’s and out’s of the Dream Act. Hispanics vote Democrat because the tone adopted by the GOP is derogatory, and unaccepting.

    Bush won 44% of the Hispanics because he offered them a place at the conservative table. It wasn’t to “win their vote” it was to honestly include them in the process. And his party rebelled.

    It will take a lot more than an easy cosmetic fix for the Republicans to win Hispanics back in any real way. But if they sabotage their own Party efforts on this issue expect failure for years.

    • Fern Woodfork

      How In The World Do These GOP/Tea Party Think They Can Pass This Bill Just To Use These People Is Just Stupid!! These People Know That’s The Only Reason Why The GOP/Tea Party Is Even Thinking About Passing This Bill Is Just To Get Their Votes!!

      • idamag

        The GOP reminds me of a neighbor across the street. They hadn’t been there long when my husband passed. They didn’t show up at the funeral and mostly kept to themselves, associating with a relative who lived across the street. Then as Independence Day approached, when I drove past, they waved and called my name. I waved back, surprised at the change. On the 3rd of July, the neighbor came over with her kids. She gushed on and on about how they should have came over sooner and apologized, but they were so busy. I didn’t know anything about her and so we made small talk for about 15 minutes and she got up to leave. At the door, she asked, “Could I borrow your wheelchair for my mother-in-law to take her to the parade tomorrow?” I explained that the insurance company had leased the wheelchair for us and that it went back to them. No more waving. No more visits. That is the Republican Party and the Latinos.

        • Fern Woodfork

          You Nailed It My Friend!!! 🙂 That’s Just What They Have Planned!!!

          • idamag

            They are trading smarmy nice for votes instead of a wheelchair.

          • Fern Woodfork

            Yes!! These People Aren’t Stupid That’s Why Romney Lost!!!

        • sigrid28

          Besides being apt, your metaphor is very moving. Thank you for sharing it. Without any histrionics or exaggerations, the story expresses the finality of loss after a loved one’s death. Perhaps the image of the empty wheelchair activates a grief that is supposed to diminish with time, which is why the reader is so taken aback by the callousness of your opportunistic neighbor’s haste to make use of the empty wheelchair, and by the insurance company’s haste to get it back once your loved one had no more use of it. The rude neighbors forgot that the holidays can be difficult after such a loss. Thinking of loved ones who have passed away, I can identify with the let down of “No more waving. No more visits.”

      • John Pigg

        That was sort of the point I was trying to make. They were not just attempting to get their votes during the Bush years. They wanted to include them in the process. This year however this measure reeks of opportunism.

        Who cares though, the important thing is that the plethora of illegal immigrants here are given legal access to jobs and can start participating as Americans.

        Immigration reform even if done for the wrong reasons is still the just and smart thing to do.

        • Fern Woodfork

          I Know Right !! They Have Been Playing Kick The Can With This For Far Too Long It Need To Be Passed!!!

    • Dominick Vila

      Part of their problem is that the rank and file has not caught up with the party long term goals yet. While party leaders engage in inclusion efforts and are desperately trying to moderate their message, the rank and file continues to engage in savage attacks against those they hate or want to keep down. Not surprisingly, the recipients of those attacks react accordingly and pay more attention to deeds than alleged changes of heart.

      • 1standlastword

        If they read the bible they cling to they would recall the scripture that says a house divided against itself cannot stand. The death spiral has everything to do with the distasteful nature of the Tea Party’ influence. The TP is going to do worse for the GOP in elections to come.

        In Michigan the TPers are threatening to primary republicans who sign on to Medicare expansion. The TP has never said, promised or done anything to help real people.
        The GOP traditional is DOA for 2016

  • charleo1

    If the Republicans would like to increase the number of Latinos voting Republican,
    a sincere apology might help to get things started off on the Right foot. But, I think
    passing a real cracker jack, of an immigration bill, would be easier at this point.
    Not that I’m giving advise, or that they would take it if I did. I’m fine with their Latino
    outreach. And of course Latinos are not one issue voters. They see if Republican
    policy stinks for women, working people, kids trying to finance their education,
    Gays, and government workers. Well, it’s probably going to stink for them too.

    • labrown69

      Maybe you don’t know the difference between “Latinos” and illegal aliens?

      • jmprint

        Quit running scared, illegals don’t go to the polls in fear of being deported!

        • labrown69

          You guys make it up as you go along huh? And of course, amnesty won’t make any difference either, after all, it worked so well the first time. LMAO Great idea, lets bring these anti abortion breeders of more kids than they can feed into the fold because the country is doing so great, that is just what we need. People who made a cesspool of their own country and now come here to share the benefit of their previous experience with us. Read about it written in graffiti on a wall near your house.

          • jmprint

            Now you are racial profiling, tell me you have never seen a white person in a gang, writing on walls. If you haven’t, you only know half the story. I’m confused as to why you call them anti-abortion. Anyway you keep referring that we only have a problems with illegals from Mexico, what about the asians, russians, and the ones that get work permits that take our high tech jobs, don’t hear you complaining.

          • labrown69

            “Racial profiling”? Now you are denying reality. More than 85% of foreign nationals in the country illegally are Mexican. That is a fact. As a voting block Hispanics tend to be vehemently against abortion. That is another fact. I’m sorry you find facts troubling. We have PhDs from all over the world waiting years to come here legally. We could lower the rate of bank robbery if we just legalize it.

          • Yvette White

            You and most conservative are the reson why you people will never see the Whitehouse,your stupid as hell. You will never get back the black vote thats over none of us,will ever get that vote so keep right on talking stupid,makes me know that you people are a bunch of jackasses who will all be for gotten. Watch.

          • labrown69

            Yvette – I just wanted to thank you for that deliciously humorous reply.

            1) When you’re calling someone “stupid” it is best not to have too many misspellings in one short paragraph and to use the correct tense of “your” which in this case is “you’re” not what you wrote, “your” which is of course, possessive or you end up looking “stupid” or at least uneducated and illiterate.

            2) I am not “conservative”, I am just not an illiterate moron like you. I am very liberal, I am just not stupid.

            3) “reason is not spelled, “reson” as you wrote it while calling me “stupid”.

            4) I already have “the Black (capitalize this please) vote” as I voted for our failed president, home boy Obama however, I presume in your confusion you didn’t mean “get the Black vote ‘back’ as the Republicans have NEVER had “the Black vote” since before the Civil Rights Movement.

            5)”Forgotten” is one word, not as you wrote it “for gotten”.

            Thanks again Yvette for demonstrating to the world what the quintessential liberal looks and behaves like. Keep up the good work and someday you might even get your GED. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

      • idamag

        And since giant agribusiness has created this problem, what would you do to fix it?

        • FredAppell

          You nailed it. That is the heart of the problem. There is a demand for cheap labor and people that will do the work with no questions asked. Both parties are responsible and neither one is in a position to do anything about it. The difference is, Republicans have been disingenuous with their base about the facts relating to immigration. Their being two-faced about it and their base eats up the lies.

        • Mark Forsyth

          Giant agribusiness ie Monsanto etc. is part of the big plan to depopulate the globe.Fits right in with constant war that reduces the surplus population.I’m with you,but how do you fix it when some of the worst bastards are in government and pulling the strings.Monsanto has people sitting on the board of agencies like the FDA,FDCA,etc. It seems as if the entire game is fixed now for corporate advantage and that regardless of which party has their candidate in the Whitehouse,America is only seeing two faces of the same crook.

          • idamag

            At least you are awake and aware.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Yeah I guess,But I wish I had the answer.I was awfully glad to learn that Senator John Tester from Montana introduced a bill today that would repeal Citizens United,so I guess there is room to hope.

      • charleo1

        I’m just sayin’. The GOP dug this hole all by themselves with Latinos.
        And, if they don’t like being at the bottom of it, it’s up to them to do
        something about it. But, there is this common sense concern, that
        any Party that behaves as stupidly as the GOP has with Latinos.
        The possibility is they are too stupid to be governing the Country,
        is probably a pretty sure bet, as well.

  • Dominick Vila

    Sen. Graham is correct in his assessment, insofar as the benefits derived from playing a positive role in the development of critical legislation. Unfortunately for the GOP, they need a lot more than that to be perceived as an inclusive and progressive party by segments of our society that have been maligned and ostracized for decades.
    The role Republicans in Congress may play on this issue, will fall on deaf ears when ethnic minorities are subjected to attacks such as the enraged comments made by white supremacists who felt offended when an 11-year old Mexican American born in San Antonio, Texas, sang the National Anthem. Sometimes, actions by a few are much more powerful, and play a greater role in our decision making process, than legislation that most people are not even aware of.

    • sigrid28

      I’ve begun to think Linsey Graham’s comments are just a fake (as in an NFL game), to distract hopeful voters on the left by tossing them a crust. When I see the extremism of the power grab in Republican state legislatures, it seems to me that the GOP has in reality given up entirely on winning the White House in the foreseeable future–but doesn’t want anyone to notice. In this context, Graham’s fake despair (over Republicans losing general elections) is just a trick on Democratic voters, who tend to stay home for local and state elections, not to mention midterms. Perhaps the GOP has every intention of making Democratic voters complacent, so Republican legislatures gone wild can limit their voting rights before they catch on to what is happening, destroy women’s health resources and kill a few off, and even disenfranchise voters by appointing Republican city managers to govern bankrupt municipalities (some bankrupted by Republican policies), by-passing the role of elected officials altogether, as has been done repeatedly in Michigan. The “legislation that most people are not even aware of,” which is being passed on the local and state levels, can undo the nation before most people even recognize what has happened.

      • Dominick Vila

        That may be the case for some traditional Republican conservatives, but I believe many of them are dismayed and concerned by the direction their party has taken the last few years, and the lack of long term vision offered by Tea Party members. Maybe I am giving them too much credit, but I really think that many of them learned from what happened last year and are truly interested in being part of the achievements that are being made instead of being members of a party whose only claim is that they said no to everything.

        • sigrid28

          I know you are not naive, Dominick, but like me, cynicism is something that does not come naturally to you. What I’ve come to see Republicans as trying to get past Democrats is counter-intuitive–Lindsey Graham issuing a dire warning to fellow Republicans but not meaning it. I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t think Republican leadership is any more sincere about winning the White House than they are about the immigration bill passing in the House or Senate. Their goals have become surruptitious–to undermine government from within, at the state level and in the House and Senate.

          Listening to the House debate over the latest proposed ban on abortion this afternoon in real time on C-Span, I was struck by the tone of destructive intent and convinced invective that I pick up from Republicans, especially when I hear them speak in person. They were trying to bend graphic descriptions of hideous murders by convicted criminals to their cause yet did so with a glee at having a grisly example to hold up for view–and no pity whatsoever for the mother or infant who had both been victimized. It is the GOP’s lack of common decency in pursuing its goals that stands out for me, as an indication of their decision, after the defeat in 2012, to do anything within their power to undermine President Obama and anyone or anything else that gets in their way. Their goal is to be free to do whatever they want by whatever means, and to destroy anything or anyone who gets in the way of that. I’m starting to be afraid it will take a siege–not just an election–to get rid of them.

          • Dominick Vila

            Honestly, I only believe about 10% of what a politician says. In addition to grandstanding, and a tendency to be pompous, politicians tend to focus on whatever is best for them and their party, rather than what is best for their constituents and their country. That’s an integral part of the trade, and a tool they must use to survive. Yes, Sen. Graham was probably trying to distract – and trying to project an image of statesmanship and bipartisanship that has been sorely absent in most of the positions he has taken throughout his career – but we must never lose hope and instead of dismissing a gesture, regardless of how cynical it may be, we must seize the opportunity to build on it and make it as difficult as possible for hypocrites to retract their previous statements. Needless to say, the latter has never bothered most Republican politicians who seem to move from one side of every issue to the other without hesitation. They must love sailing…

          • Mark Forsyth

            Anyway the wind blows,they are in constant search for the advantage just like any common shyster,flim flam,con artist and trying to pinpoint their loyalty,except to money,is an exercise in futility.

  • rhallnj

    Allowing reform to pass will not automatically make Hispanics like the GOP. There would be plenty of other reasons for them not to, and I would guess their numbers with Hispanics will improve only marginally.

  • adler56

    Mr. Ross- who would vote for Republicans?- every racist in America- but luckily that still isn’t enough for them to win.

    • GreginPottsville

      It’s odd you say that because the only people I know who still use the “N” word happen to be leaders in the local Democratic party.

      • jmprint

        You obviously don’t know too many republicans. Their whole mindset is to change all americans way of life and thinking. They ignore historical facts. They want to be jury and judge, of gays and women’s rights. They want to keep this huge gap between middle class and the rich, and they want to dumb down the poor, in order to use and abuse, and have them with no voice at all.

        • GreginPottsville

          Well, if you only read far left websites like this one and only watch MSNBC, then I can see why you are totally in the dark. More than half of my friends happen to be Republicans and everything about them is the exact opposite of what you describe. And when it comes time to volunteer to help the poor, at least in my area, Republicans far outnumber Democrats. It is reality. Sorry you live in liberal fantasy.

          • jmprint

            That’s just it, I don’t just listen to MSNBC, and I definitely don’t live in the dark. You are stating facts based on your inter circle, which if fine, but doesn’t make it universal. I read all the brain washed rhetoric on the Liberty, a lot of spewing in the mouth, blind to facts.

          • GreginPottsville

            Re-read your comment. It sure seems you are trying to paint a universal picture, as liberals usually tend to do.

          • idamag

            It is ideologues, like you, who are weakening our Democracy.

          • GreginPottsville

            Read my comment below: Hint, it is from an African American…
            This is just a glimpse into why Democrats are weakening America!

          • jmprint

            The African American was a Democrat all his life. And just discovered this year that he wants to be a republican because of the view on freedom that was established in 1854. This is what I call Lilly White. He is a little slow, don’t you think. Hey he has a government pension and health coverage at taxpayers expense, not a bad deal regardless of what party he sides with today, or tomorrow.

          • GreginPottsville

            “the party of disappointment” – to help minority communities through various government programs. “At the heart of liberalism is the idea that only a great and powerful government can be the benefactor for social justice for all Americans,” he said. ”But the Left is only concerned with one thing: control — and they disguise this ‘control’ as charity.” The idea that “blacks, or anyone for that matter, need the government to get ahead in life is despicable,” he said.

            Quote from Elbert Guillory, African American state senator from Louisiana, describing the Democratic party.

          • jmprint

            SO WHAT, Louisiana, really creditable.

          • Mark Forsyth

            You bet,one of the poorest states in the country.Now the major oil and gas companies want to move everyone in the south part of that state as well as the entire Gulf Coast out of the area so that they can operate unimpeded.Not a good scenario for the people to say nothing of the fishing industry.

          • GreginPottsville

            What the heck does “creditable” mean? New word?

          • GreginPottsville

            just your typical liberal racism showing thru

          • idamag

            Intelligent people do not have to listen to slanted news stations that tell them what to think. There are other sources of information out there. It might be too much work for people, like Greg, to look up what is going on in Congress, what bills were presented and which ones passed. He might also look into lawsuits that fell by the wayside. Monsanto did a heap of destruction in my state.
            One thing he should have been paying attention to: Katrina leveled a major city and did great damage along the coasts of Louisiana, Texas, and Mississippi. Fema hired contractors. Those contractors did not hire locals who have been devastated anyway. They brought in documented workers from Mexico and other parts of South America. It came to the public’s attention when some of the workers complained about living conditions and being cheated out of their wages.

          • charleo1

            Guess what? You don’t need to watch MSNBC to figure
            out what the new radicalized GOP is all about. I just watched
            an entire GOP campaign for President. Where I heard people
            in the audience yell, let him die! And the nice round of applause that response got from the rest of the crowd. I heard them boo and disrespect a soldier, fighting half way around the world for his Country, because he was Gay. I listened to one build the fence joke, after the next. As one was going to electrify the fence. The other was going to put
            a moat filled with alligators around it. I sat and watched Republican Congressmen deny, and hold up benefits to their fellow Countrymen, in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. And not for any lack of money. But to
            stick their thumb in the Black President’s eye. People who’ve worked all their lives, and never ask for a dime from their government, have been forced to listen to these Jack Asses call them lazy, and irresponsible, and call their integrity into question. When they had not one God Damn thing to do with running this economy in the ground, and throwing them out of work. I’ve watched as the slimeballs were willing to go to the mat for the oil cartels. One particularly slimy ignoramus, Joe Barton, from TX. Actually apologized to the CEO of BP, because BP was being forced to pay for the clean-up. Called it a, “shakedown.” Said he didn’t want to live in a Country that would do such a thing. You know where I think Joe needs
            to live? So, it’s not only the stupidity, or belligerence, or
            the bigotry. Because minorities know who these people are.
            And consider the source. To my thinking, it’s the complete sell out of their Country, to these billionaires, and
            corporations, from these Republican ass wipes, that pisses
            me off. And it’s something Republicans are eat up with.
            From the smallest state house, to washington, d.c. If they
            aren’t bitching about a kid getting a free lunch at school.
            They are trying to sell their Mother’s Social Security,
            and Medicare off to Wall Street. Thoroughly disgusting people. You Republicans.

          • GreginPottsville

            from an article on Glibert Guillroy, 1st African American State Senator from Louisiana, describing why he switched parties:

            “He also criticized of the failed efforts of the Democratic party — “the party of disappointment” — to help minority communities through various government programs. “At the heart of liberalism is the idea that only a great and powerful government can be the benefactor for social justice for all Americans,” he said. “But the Left is only concerned with one thing: control — and they disguise this ‘control’ as charity.” The idea that “blacks, or anyone for that matter, need the government to get ahead in life is despicable,” he said.

            He concluded by echoing Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech, saying that Americans who sign on to Republican ideals will fulfill the civil-right’s leaders dream of being “free at last, free at last. Thank God almighty, we are free at last.”

            You can live in your fantasy world. I will continue to live in reality.

          • jarheadgene

            C’mon….he is being such an “Uncle Tom” it is pathetic. I found it very deplorable that he quoted MLK Jr. to defend the P.O.S. G.O.P. give me a break, they have proven the last 5 years how they hate that an African American is President.

          • GreginPottsville

            Your racism is apparent.

          • charleo1

            With respect to State Senator Guillory. He explained why he
            was returning to the Republican Party. Mostly due to healthcare reform. LA. is one of a handful of States that will lose several hundred millions of dollars, by refusing to expand their Medicaid program. Even as that Republican run State, has one of the highest uninsured rates in the Nation. And especially among the African American community. So, since he says the Dem. Party is, “The Party of disappointment,” we can assume then, the State of LA. Republicans have come up with their own plan to expand the availability of healthcare to the millions of it’s uninsured residents? Or, does the disappointment evaporate, because the people of LA. know damn well, the Republicans aren’t going to do anything for them? More like the latter. I would also submit, that when the good Senator explains the nefarious intentions of the Democratic Party, scheming to control, the people. Control the Country, by disguising charity. Just how does one do
            that, without accusing Jesus Christ, of the same ulterior motives? The answer is, one can’t. To further quote, Sen.
            Guillory perfectly captures the cynical, and wholly dishonest
            rhetoric of Conservatives, on social justice, and opportunity.
            The thought he says, that Blacks or anyone else, needs
            a big, and powerful government to get ahead is despicable.
            Is akin to saying, the thought that a Country needs a Civil
            War, before the slaves could be freed, is despicable! As
            would be then, to suggest that the game of football needs
            no referee. because everyone knows the rules. It’s empty.
            Without value. A ruse, and a con. The entire premise, stands
            logic, and human nature, on it’s head.

          • GreginPottsville

            Seems you enjoy the notion of the nanny state, denigrating individuals, especially those of color. What a shame. I am sorry you are so racist.

          • charleo1

            Yeah right, Blah, Blah Blah, Mother Fu*ker!

      • idamag

        There are ignorant, bullying overt racists and there are covert racists.

        • GreginPottsville

          Huh?

      • charleo1

        It’s odd you should say that. Because the only people who
        are child molesters, are leaders in the republican Party!

        • idamag

          They had some. If anyone else had e-mailed that disgusting stuff to a minor, but Foley, they would have had to be a registered sex offender.

          • charleo1

            Foley, was like a lot of those closeted Republicans, that never missed a chance to vote aganist the Rights of Gay Americans.
            My feelings almost run to pity for them. Can you imagine, living
            your life as someone you are not, because you lack the
            courage to be yourself? Some think there is no Hell in the
            afterlife. That Hell is on Earth, for the people that choose to
            live their lives in such a way as to create it for themselves.
            Those tortured individuals such as Foley, seem to support
            that theory.

        • GreginPottsville

          What Republican leader was convicted of molesting a child?

          • charleo1

            Now, now. Not so fast. Who are the Democrats using the
            N-word? Let’s take care of these lies in the order in which
            they were told.

  • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

    Here’s something a lot of folks are missing. Senator Graham is an old school Conservative. He was Conservative before it was cool to be so. As a result, he is supportive of Defense, looks for fiscal responsibility, and supports the right of individuals to their personal dignity. As a former JAG officer, he is also fully aware of the rights of the individuals concerning their place in society.

    Graham, like John McCain and the Bush brothers (Dubya and Jeb), believe there is a legitimate place for all people at the Conservative table. They do not feel it should only be limited to White, Evangelical Christian, gun owners who will do anything possible to cause the failure of President Obama, or any other Democrat that holds the Oval Office.

    This is one reason why Graham, like McCain, has been branded as a RINO by the Tea Party types, but never by other Republican Office holders, at least not publicly. Just like his willingness to discuss legislation with Democrats to achieve a compromise. That is why there are always threats to run “more Conservative” opponents in primaries against people like him or McCain. According to some of the Tea Types, a single vote on any piece of legislation that has Democratic Sponsorship, or that supports a program asked for by President Obama is tantamount to treason to the “Conservative cause”, therefore rendering them unworthy to hold office.

    Frankly, we need more people like Senator Graham in office. They represent much more of a voice of reason than the current Republican Standard Bearers.

    • jarheadgene

      You are supporting Sen. Bob Dole’s position that even Reagan couldn’t get into office as a Republican right now. Pretty sad how far right the party has gone.

      • GreginPottsville

        Uh, note to jarheadgene, the Republican Party is far from far right. Didn’t McCain and Romney just run? I think the problem is just the opposite. Hopefully 2016 will bring back a real “conservative”. Democrats thought Reagan was crazy. That is what we need, someone that Democrats “thinks” is crazy. Because if we keep running canidates that Democrats actually think are good canidates, it seems not to work out. Hopefully, our country is still somewhat above water by time Obama is done with his destruction.

        • idamag

          Maybe you should run. You think crazy.

  • tax payer

    Who cares who runs in 2016 because he must know everyone in Politics are just plain liars and that includes Osama. To think the illegals will stop coming after those that are here now are allowed to stay is something in Fantasy Land. The damage will be done and they are scared, but being a Republican myself I know they will lose votes, if they pass this insane Immigration Reform; so get ready to be jobless like those in this country that are jobless but only because they don’t believe in working for a living. The DemoRATS are at the top and they want to take a few Republicans ( Traitors ) for the ride, and not look back at the damage that will occur. The illegals are already ready to vote since no proof of being an American is required to register to vote thanks to the Clown Court. What are these people doing there in the first place? Fire them all. Oh, I forgot Osama has them under controlled too.

    • jarheadgene

      OSAMA is DEAD !!! Took a bullet To the HEAD !!!!

      • tax payer

        I know for a fact his twin brother is alive here in this country and the people voted for him twice.

  • old_blu

    The dumb asses are going to need more than the Hispanic vote, and they’re getting so stupid they just don’t get it, we’ve all heard what they think of America and ‘ITS’ people.
    And I will remember in 2014, voters do have a short memory, I hope we all remember what obstructionist they have been when it comes time to vote.

    • Fern Woodfork

      You Got That Right My Friend 🙂 We Will Keep Reminding Them Daily About The GOP/Tea Party = The American Taliban Our Very Own Home Grown Terrorists Cells Operating In Plain Sight!!! And With The Sequester Doing Damage As The Days Go Back I Believe They Will Stay Awake This Time And From Now On!! But We Will Keep Them Woke And Informed!!!

      • idamag

        Fern, I have to tell you about a political cartoon I saw yesterday. It shows that the SS check was late and the mailman explains, “It is the sequester.” Then Meals on wheels can’t deliver meals and the driver explains it is the sequester. Military pay is late and it is the sequester. The last frame shows a bunch of congressmen on an airplane and it is the sequester.l

        • Fern Woodfork

          You Nailed It Again My Friend!!! 🙂

    • plc97477

      Not only remember but remind your friends.

  • labrown69

    You are all wrong. Immigration won’t stop the GOP’s demise but Obama’s massive ineptitude and corruption will. There is also another factor you stupid liberals refuse to look at and that is that Blacks and Hispanics are vehemently anti gay and anti abortion. I have to confuse you with facts but at the risk of interrupting a perfectly good circle jerk, in the course of egging each other on you have ignored reality. Don’t you morons EVER get bored reading articles that have no veracity and do nothing but reinforce your own biases?

    • jmprint

      And you labrown think you actually know how black and hispanics think. You are wrong, totally wrong. You are here everyday, you MUST really be bored, because you respond quiet frequently. We are tired of putting up with racism, and unless you are lilly white, you know it’s embedded in the republican caucus.

      • labrown69

        Your comments are typical of the blather with which the leftist ideological dim wits on this site anesthetize each other. It goes like this “the Republican Party permits racists to belong so for that reason, lets not clean up our own side of the street or make an objective analysis of our immigration policy based on the benefits to our nation for FEAR of the erroneous perception of others who also don’t comprehend the situation.

        • jmprint

          Morons, dim wits, thats your typical educated way of calling people that don’t agree with your ideological way of thinking.
          Not all brown skin people come from Mexico, they may cross though Mexico, but that doesn’t make them Mexicans, just like speaking in spanish doesn’t mean you are from Mexico.

          • labrown69

            85% + of illegal immigrants currently in the US are from Mexico. Argue all you want. They are Mexican nationals.

          • jmprint

            Show some facts.

          • idamag

            Your number went up 5%

          • labrown69

            No … that was either your IQ or your sperm count.

    • idamag

      I am not a liberal, but I definitely would not be a member of the new Republican Party. However, I suggest you re-read your advice to Liberals and take heed, yourself.

    • John Pigg

      I agree that it will be a lot harder to include Hispanics in the Democratic coalition than most realize.

  • Catskinner

    The GOP isn’t in a death spiral. The problem they have is, all the big money donors, Goldman Sachs, Google, and etc., want immigration reform and rational thinking people can see it is not a good idea. That will send all of the big money donors to the Democrats, and that’s what has Graham in a tizzy.

  • R. DuFresne

    Immigration reform while nice and maybe a little helpful to GOP will not over ride the Elitist attitudes Repubs have towards working class. You know the ones WORKING so you can become Millionaires? We WON”T forget TAKERS, LAZY, HAND OUTS. PBO PHONES, WELFARE queens, 98% vs 1%. Plus the fact that GOP has blocked EVERY attempt to move US forward. GOP will continue being spoiled children they currently are. SO TOTALLY out of touch with every day life for majority of USA.

  • howa4x

    It really doesn’t matter what Sen. Graham does since it’s the states that are driving the issue. Both Arizona and Georgia have very draconian laws on undocumented people and other red states are not far behind. Latino’s living in those states already have a jaundiced view of the GOP and anything that the Senate does, even if watered down will not pass the tea party house. Boehner will need every democratic vote to have any chance of a bill passing there. Also every tealiban representative will get a chance at the microphone and start the anti immigrant rants they are famous for. Once the Latino population sees that they will have to depend totally on democrats to salvage a house bill, they will become more hostile to the republicans. At that point why bother with the republicans at all. Immigration is only the tip of the iceberg for republicans. There is expanded background checks, same sex marriage, equal pay for women, climate change, the student loan crisis, defense cuts, infrastructure repair and a Jobs bill all just under the surface and will rise as the iceberg melts. Each of these issues has large stakeholder support
    The republicans and especially the house will assure that none of these issues are dealt with. So Lindsey the immigration bill will not stop the death spiral, just delay it for a very, very short time.

    • plc97477

      We just have to wait until the elections of 2014. If we can take enough seats then the repugs left will at least wake up, maybe.

  • ObozoMustGo

    Lindsey Graham IS the cause of the death spiral for the Republican party. If they cannot hold on to their true values of liberty and freedom, they deserve to go the way of the Whigs. Be damned with them.

    Here’s a real Republican that holds true to traditional American values.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n_YQ8560E1w

    Have a nice day!

    “But most importantly, it is the idea that the individual must be free to pursue his or her own happiness, free from Government dependence, and free from Government control. Because to be truly free, is to be reliant on no one, other than the author of our destiny,” – Elbert Guillory, LA State Senator and former DemonRAT

    • jarheadgene

      OMG….gee I wonder what Big Corp…bought that guy off ??! They paid for him to forget that it was Pres. Lyndon Johnson’s [A DEMOCRAT] Civil Rights Bill that finally went through. From that moment on the Republican Party, literally and metaphorically “Went South”. You know better. That guy is about as believable as RUBIO !

      • ObozoMustGo

        Gene, how are you? I hope you are well. Reading your comments on Guillory’s statement only assures me that I am correct in saying that there are people out there, like you, that absolutely do not understand the cause for liberty. It just doesn’t resonate with you. It doesn’t make you a bad guy, just a delusional one! 🙂 LOL

        Have a great day, Gene!

        “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state
        education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.” ― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

        • jarheadgene

          OMG….!!! Never ceases to amaze me how you can easily insult me politely. We can agree to disagree on many things and still, both be lovers of FREEDOM, that is what makes this country great, Hear is where you and I part…..I was at Children’s Hospital the last 2 weeks and there you get the opportunity to see MIRACLES happen. In Bill Clinton’s address to the DNC he said, “If you allow Romney/Ryan to have their way and dismantle Medicaid, I don’t know what the parents of “special needs” children will do.”
          The G.O.P. would take away the Medicaid those precious and special children NEED. What then would be the alternative……hmmmmmm let’s see, the last society I remember that had such little care for those children was the NAZI’s they would have those children “GASSED”….So I say FUCK the heartless P.O.S.G.O.P. they are NAZI’s at their core.
          HAVE A NICE DAY 🙂

          • ObozoMustGo

            Gene, I did not try to insult you. Rather, I just accept the fact that others simply cannot grasp the concept of true liberty, just like I cannot grasp the concept of socialism. It makes sense to me, but because it makes sense to me is why I cannot grasp how anyone could support such an ideology, especially with the body of evidence over the past 100+ years showing how destructive it is. 100 MILLION+ humans have dies not FOR that cause, but FROM the cause of socialism. And there are LOTS of people, especially here in this sewer called The Memo, that believe in the lie of socialism.

            I’m not going to get into any book reports here, but you should try reading the following: Plato’s Republic; Thomas More’s Utopia; Thomas Hobbes’ Leviathan; and Karl Marx Communist Manifesto. All of them have in common a fantasy that some form of perfection of mankind can be achieved through some tyrannical form of government. All of them believe, incredibly, that because man is imperfect and greedy, that some government can overcome those imperfections in man, all the while ignoring the very fact that the government is formed with those very same imperfect men. Plato is the only one of the 4 that actually contemplates the possible futility of his ideas.

            Once done with those, then pick up John Locke’s Two Treatises on Government and contrast Locke’s understanding of the nature of man and his concepts on liberty with those of the prior 4. I will admit that all of the writings, because they are written in older style English (or translated into it), make for a somewhat difficult read. However, once you pick up the tenor of the writing, and accept run-on sentences, you’ll get the hang of it. These were the great philosophers that have had tremendous influence on the modern political ideologies that dominate the world today.

            Now, that being said, Medicaid was not paying for ALL of those children you saw. In fact, maybe a small percentage, 10 to 20% maybe???? But it doesn’t matter if you think Republicans were trying to kill little kids. That’s patently false at face value, and you know it. The truth is that the program is killing itself, regardless of whether DemonRATS or Repubs are dealing with it. It, like all of those programs including SS, are going bankrupt on their own. Like all Ponzi schemes that rely on the theory of robbing Peter to pay Paul, they are die in the end. So while you are mired in the age old phony argument of R vs. D, the reality of mathematics keeps on marching onward. The more you ignore it, the worse it will be. If you want to save the program, you must accept the fact that some politicians will propose changes to the program. The more you demogogue those who try to change the program, the less likely they are to be saved. In that true sense, perhaps it is the DemonRATS that are actually killing those little children because they refuse to do what is needed to keep the program solvent. There, I just turned the tables and demogogued them! See how easy it is. Real clear thinking is much more difficult.

            Have a nice day, Gene!

            “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.” ―
            Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

      • idamag

        And because of the Civil Rights Bill, the deep South has never voted Democrat since.

  • elw

    The Gop’s National slip from power is so much more complicated than just one of their wrong stands on policy. It has more to do with their world view of what is wrong and how to correct it. The first step they need to take if they truly want to end their downward spiral is to admit to themselves that their thoughts and judgments about others who are different than them are racists and untrue. However, for the Radicalized Right, that is their base, that first step is such a big one it is hard to imagine them taking it. As long as they continue to choose candidates that play to the Radicalized Right, have policies and push laws that hurt the middle class and are in favor of the richest amongst us and make ignorant, public and anti-statements against women, people of color, LGBTs and the poorest amongst us that downward spiral will continue and it will soon start spreading to a local level. Their biggest problem is they truly believe that their values and beliefs are main stream even through the endless polling done in this Country says otherwise. But why be surprised? They still blame Romney’s loss on the 47%, even through the one that got 47% of the vote was Romney. For myself, I am just looking forward to the rise of the Party that will take their place on the National scene. My hope is it will be one that really gives us a second choice.

    • GreginPottsville

      I would blame Romney’s loss on liberal lies that stuck long enough, scandals that were kept hidden until after the election, and voter suppression.

      • elw

        You just proved my point. What happen to the Republican cry of the importance of people taking responsibility for what happens to them?

        • GreginPottsville

          I think you mean taking responsiblity for your “own” actions.
          I will give you a little advice, the slip of the Republican party on the national level isn’t complicated. I won’t give you the answer, I will just give you a hint: Republicans should never back a canidate that Democrats say is their best canidate.
          I guess you didn’t read what I wrote though. You certainly made no point whatsoever. However, in my typical generous fashion, if it makes you feel better elw, go ahead and believe what you wish. I hope your day gets better.

          • elw

            As long as people like you keep on the track they are on, I have no doubt that my days and the Nation’s days will get better and yours will get worse.

      • idamag

        That is good. You won’t be labeled a RINO, will you?

        • GreginPottsville

          I could not care less what people label me. I care about America. Here is what Elbert Guillory said recently about the Democratic party. He happens to be a State Senator, from Louisiana. Oh, and he is African American! Read and learn:

          “He also criticized of the failed efforts of the Democratic party — “the party of disappointment” — to help minority communities through various government programs. “At the heart of liberalism is the idea that only a great and powerful government can be the benefactor for social justice for all Americans,” he said. “But the Left is only concerned with one thing: control — and they disguise this ‘control’ as charity.” The idea that “blacks, or anyone for that matter, need the government to get ahead in life is despicable,” he said.

          He concluded by echoing Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech, saying that Americans who sign on to Republican ideals will fulfill the civil-right’s leaders dream of being “free at last, free at last. Thank God almighty, we are free at last.”

  • labrown69

    This is what is known as “cutting off your nose to spite your face”. To get the upper hand on Republicans the Democrats will simply destroy the country! Good strategy guys. This will go nicely with the Democrats other gifts, bank fraud, Monsanto and the war in Afghanistan.

  • blyvl

    What seems to be missing from the discussions over “immigration reform” is whether or not it’s good for the country. If you believe in immigration enforcement, the Democrats have always had a terrible track record. Now many GOP politicians have decided to support “comprehensive immigration reform”; not because it’s good for the country, but because they believe it’s the only way they can win elections in the future. I’d have a lot more respect for any politician in “D.C.” who voted for or against the “comprehensive immigration reform” because they believed it was the right thing to do, not because that’s what their “base” wants, their contributors want, or what other influential special interests want.

  • 1standlastword

    Lindsay, the GOP is in a death spiral (period) because of it’s extremism, hostility, intransigence and outmoded parochial values. Therefore the permanent solution is the death of the party for what it IS!
    Your party is on the “artificial life support machine” of corporate money that failed to purchase the presidency in 2012 and will fail again in 2016.
    Your Tea Party is going to bury your party!!!!

  • highpckts

    It’s not just immigration that will hang the GOP!!!

  • Siegfried Heydrich
  • labrown69

    MORE TRANSPARENCY FROM YOUR HERO ..HUGO CHAVEZ .. OOPS, I MEAN BARAK OBAMA

    Last month, 10,000 of us submitted comments to the United States Trade
    Representative (USTR), in which we objected to new so-called free trade
    agreements. We asked that the government not sell out our democracy to
    corporate interests.

    Because of this pressure, the USTR finally let a member of Congress –
    little ole me, Alan Grayson – actually see the text of the Trans-Pacific
    Partnership (TPP). The TPP is a large, secret trade agreement that is
    being negotiated with many countries in East Asia and South America.

    The TPP is nicknamed “NAFTA on steroids.” Now that I’ve read it, I can
    see why. I can’t tell you what’s in the agreement, because the U.S.
    Trade Representative calls it classified. But I can tell you two things
    about it.

    1) There is no national security purpose in keeping this text secret.

    2) This agreement hands the sovereignty of our country over to corporate interests.

    3) What they can’t afford to tell the American public is that [the rest of this sentence is classified].

    (Well, I did promise to tell you only two things about it.)

    I will be fighting this agreement with everything I’ve got. And I know you’ll be there every step of the way.

    For now, I’ve set up an e-mail address where you can ask me questions on this topic or other topics: [email protected]

    I’ll pick a few and answer them by video.

    True Blue Democrats. Get ready. We’re coming.

    Courage,

    Congressman Alan Grayson