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Tuesday, September 27, 2016

July 10 (Bloomberg) — Edwin Durning-Lawrence was a writer and a member of the U.K. Parliament who devoted much of his life to an obsessive, and slightly crazy, effort to demonstrate that Francis Bacon wrote the works usually attributed to William Shakespeare. Durning-Lawrence published his defining book, Bacon is Shakespeare, in 1910. (My real topic is 21st-century politics, but bear with me for a moment.)

Bacon, a contemporary of Shakespeare’s, was an influential philosopher who also served as a member of Parliament. Durning-Lawrence greatly admired Bacon, but he didn’t much like Shakespeare, whom he described as an illiterate and, more specifically, as “the mean, drunken, ignorant, and absolutely unlettered, rustic of Stratford who never in his life wrote so much as his own name and in all probability was totally unable to read one single line of print.”

In Bacon Is Shakespeare, Durning-Lawrence labored to show that all available evidence supports the thesis of the book’s title. A famous engraving of Shakespeare actually provides clues that Shakespeare wasn’t an author at all; Shakespeare’s alleged signatures are actually forgeries. All proof of Shakespeare’s authorship turns out to establish exactly the opposite, Durning-Lawrence wrote.

In his closing chapters, Durning-Lawrence gets pretty wound up. Chapter 9 ends: “The hour has come when it is desirable and necessary to state with the utmost distinctness that BACON IS SHAKESPEARE.” The conclusion of Chapter 10: “It is not possible that any doubt can any longer be entertained respecting the manifest fact that BACON IS SHAKESPEARE.”

Chapter 11’s final words, on two volumes by Bacon and Shakespeare respectively: “These two title pages were prepared with consummate skill in order to reveal to the world, when the time was ripe, that BACON IS SHAKESPEARE.”

Durning-Lawrence’s appendix collects the names of famous people who appeared to agree with his thesis. Enlisting the rhetorical strategy now known as “social proof,” Durning-Lawrence concludes: “The names that we have mentioned are amply sufficient to prove to the reader that he will be in excellent company when he himself realizes the truth that BACON IS SHAKESPEARE.”

Despite his obsessiveness, Durning-Lawrence was an intelligent and accomplished person. His inadvertently hilarious book is an extreme case of a far more general (and much less hilarious) phenomenon through which people don’t evaluate evidence on its merits, but instead enlist it opportunistically in support of their preordained conclusions. Social scientists describe the phenomenon as “confirmation bias.”

This brings us to contemporary politics. Last week, the Obama administration announced that it would postpone until 2015 enforcement of the Affordable Care Act’s so-called employer mandate, which will require employers with more than 50 employees to provide health insurance or face significant financial penalties.

Emphasizing that the underlying reporting requirements are unusually complicated, the administration said that a one-year delay would allow the government to try to simplify those requirements while creating more flexibility for the private sector.

  • Lorr

    The one sign above says “Obama get your hands off my healthcare it is Unconstitutional’ First, according to your Party’s Judicial Team – SCOTUS it is not Unconstitutional. Second you want Obama to get his hands off your healthcare, but it is okay for Republicans to get their hands all over a women’s reproductive rights. Just a little hypocritical.

    • GreginPottsville

      I think you mean the rights of the unborn children.

      • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

        No. Lorr means reproductive rights. You guys not only want to ban all abortions, you also want to restrict their rights to birth control, contraceptives, prenatal counseling and health care, and anything else that could help a woman decide when she should get pregnant, and the care of her unborn child while pregnant.

        • GreginPottsville

          What exactly is a “right” to birth control? And since when are rubbers “restricted”?
          Do you mean prenatal counseling or prenatal abortion convincing?

      • charleo1

        Yes, “The Unborn.” This new citizen being championed by the Right.
        Used as the tool to instigate the occurrence of the most egregious
        attempt at governmental regulatory overreach, and abridgment of the
        Constitutional Rights of Americans, aganist government intrusion into the private lives of citizens. Since the incarceration of the Japanese-American citizens, after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Eager to put your
        own black mark on American democracy?

        • Allan Richardson

          The nice thing about the unborn is that they will not be able to cast a vote against these politicians for at least 18 years! And if they are poor or nonwhite, the politicians plan on having perfected their suppression laws by that time so that the unborn poor nonwhite children of today will NOT be able to vote when they turn 18.

          • charleo1

            By the time they are 18, if this bunch of fascists manage to
            pull off their agenda, none of us will be voting in 18 years.
            Unless we’re, “stockholders,” with what’s determined to be
            enough, “skin in the game,” to warrant a verifiable interest
            in the outcome. The rest will have been determined to be
            essentially robbers, or leeches. Using their votes to redistribute the wealth of the, “productive class.” Un-vested, so not entitled by their lack of Capitalistic/Christian moral values, as a class
            to vote, “the best interests,” of the Country. The House could
            pass such a bill today, with overwhelming base support.
            But, first things first.

          • GreginPottsville

            Wondering if Clarence Thomas would agree with you or just find you a regular idiot.

          • Dominick Vila

            Bear in mind that those “new citizens” stop being a concern or a social priority the moment they are born.

        • GreginPottsville

          Let me clue you in on something. The unborn in the womb have been around since the beginning of humanity. Legalized abortion has been around like 30 some years. Not even a blip in human history. Yet you act like it was always a “right”.

          • charleo1

            It’s called progress. Now, 40 years ago the medical procedure was taken out of the purview of control by some male in a position of authority over the woman, where it had remained for the vast part of human history. And out of the back allies, where it had been callously, relegated for the poor women of this Country, by a very misguided, and misogynistic society, for far too long. It’s current disposition with which you disagree. Most likely in your sincere effort to
            be a good little Right Winger. Rather than any moral pullings one way or another. Could have been accurately predicted with the success of the women’s suffrage movement. And the granting of their full Civil Rights. You’ll find more reasons for the anti- choice movement, contained in the Southern politics involved, in their insistence, that their State’s Rights be upheld to ban it, if they so choose. Than any sudden concern for citizen fetus. The motivation is clearly apparent
            in their near absolute aversion to feeding the precious little fetus, once State’s Rights have been reestablished. Women
            put back in their proper place. And the birth canal is crossed. They consider their Godly mission complete.

          • GreginPottsville

            Killing 1 million babies in the womb in a year is what you call “progress”? You are sick and disgusting.

      • Lorr

        No, I believe I was very clear that I meant reproductive rights, which includes her right to make a choice based on her circumstances without Politicians and Strangers interfering in her difficult decisions.

        • GreginPottsville

          I don’t think anybody wants to deny you the right to reproduce. I think you are confused Ms. If you don’t want to reproduce, find $5 and buy a pack of Trojans and stop whining.

          • Lorr

            Part of a women’s reproductive rights is the right of choice to take a pregnancy to term or not. Perhaps you should go and speak to an OB/GYN – because contraception does not always work.

            This decision not to carry a pregnancy to term should be made between the women, her doctor and her family. Politicians and Strangers interfering in her difficult decisions by imposing your Religious and moral beliefs on her is wrong. You nor the Politicians or other so called “pro-life” have no right to judge – on a Religious basis her judgment day will come when she faces God and you good “ole” boys and gals are not God.

          • GreginPottsville

            A rubber is about 98% effective. How many abortions do you think simply using a rubber would eliminate?
            If you cannot afford a pack of rubbers, go to a public school and ask for some.
            The Supreme Court, by one vote, says a woman can choose to take a pregnancy to term or not. Does that make it right? It only makes it legal, for now.
            Is there not 1 law on the books you feel is wrong?
            Our country aborts 1 million babies every year. Do you think that is a good thing?

          • Lorr

            Does not matter if it was 1 0r 5 it is the Law of the Land. If you do not believe in abortion fine, I believe a woman has the right to make the determination for herself.
            Conversation over as you certainly won’t change my mind and I won’t change your mind.
            As I said – Only God can judge the women who have abortions not you or politicians or religious leaders.
            Have good day

  • Dominick Vila

    Let’s face it, the reason detractors of the Affordable Care Act, first conceived by The Heritage Foundation and put in place by Mitt Romney in MA, is not because they hate what they first proposed, but because it was championed and signed by a man they love to hate.

    • GreginPottsville

      No, actually Republicans hate gov’t overreach. You may like to be controlled because you might get turned on by it. Most of us would rather take personal responsibility.

      • michaelross

        Except when it’s overreach of a woman’s uterus. They effing love that.

        Seriously, cut the crap tea-bagger. This is the same song and dance you’ve been giving us for five years. Nobody’s buying it except for other tea-baggers trying to sell it.

        • GreginPottsville

          Help me out here. Exactly who wants to do what with a women’s uterus? You make no sense.

          • michaelross

            You know damn well what I’m talking about, tea-bagger. You’re just playing ignorant because you’ve got nowhere else to go.

            I’m talking about the “mandatory ultrasound” bills you “libertarian” bastards can’t get enough of.

            Republicans don’t want small government. They want a government that does nothing to keep the rich from getting richer and does everything to make sure the poor stay poor. And you’re delusional if you think everyone not devoid of a brain or soul can’t see that.

          • johninPCFL

            Every GOP governor and legislature. All of the ALEC legislation is now equipped with a “trans-vaginal ultrasound probe”. So I guess the GOP is all for smaller government except for the cop in every doctor’s office, clinic, and bedroom, and the 30,000 more border patrol officers to catch the visa overstayers who are nowhere near the border?

          • GreginPottsville

            What in the world are you typing about? ALEC cannot pass any laws. What planet do you live on?
            EVERY GOP Governor? You just flat out lie. But, I expect that from a liberal.
            Are you not concerned with people here illegally? I will tell you a little personal situation. My wife of 10 years, is an immigrant. She is STILL on a green card. We did all the paperwork as required. She was not here for one day illegally. She was held in customs at an airport on the east coast for 6 hours for no reason other than they assumed her passport was incorrect. We followed the rules.

          • johninPCFL

            ALEC has a boilerplate set of restrictive laws that have been presented to every GOP legislature. All have passed some version of them. Maybe you just don’t live on Earth.
            I’m not a liberal, but I lean more libertarian than idiot, like most conservatives. Every GOP governor has signed off on ALEC legislation just as soon as their lapdog legislatures can get it passed. Starting with Virginia, moving to NC, Wisconsin, etc. until Texas, where it was temporarily stopped by a filibuster. Perhaps you should climb out of mom’s basement occasionally to see who has a hook in your legislators’ noses.
            Most illegals are those who overstay their visa. Border incursions are at a 50 year low. 30,000 more border agents and $30B in new spending for Haliburton will not alter that reality. I’m glad you followed the rules. Is it worth $100 for every citizen to hire more BORDER GUARDS when the folks here illegally aren’t at the borders, and don’t come across from Mexico anymore.

          • GreginPottsville

            Yeah, nobody crosses the Mexican border anymore. None, never. And Santa Claus is gearing up for another long night.
            I haven’t been in my mom’s basement in 20 years. But if she finds you there, she’ll shoot you.
            Why are liberals always in some way interested in other people’s mothers? I never understood that.

          • johninPCFL

            We know that’s where you live. Most conservatives can’t live outside the home. Reality destroys their carefully constructed womb.
            All of the deportations and the slow economy have resulted in the Mexican border crossing rate dropping to zero. Now, Canadian border crossings on student visas are still there. BUt, like I said before, when the student visa expires the border agents will be carefully watching the Mexican border while the student keeps on trucking in Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, or wherever they’re going to school.

          • Sand_Cat

            You wouldn’t know a liberal if one came up to you wearing a sign. So far as your mother goes, the only thing I can say is “what a shame.”

          • GreginPottsville

            I’ll bet nobody ever says “she’s a real lady” about you.

          • Sand_Cat

            Wow, let’s submit a petition: Sainthood for Greg!

          • ddingus

            You’re too stupid to converse with on this subject Gregin.

          • GreginPottsville

            Thanks. I hope you are as blessed as I am today.

          • Sand_Cat

            You mean her reply isn’t cogent? She makes no sense to you because you have none to start with, only the same blind prejudice and hatred you project on us.

          • ddingus

            Nobody Gregin. Keep your head in the sand and one day you may find out what happens when someone pulls your head out of it.

      • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

        Good. Then take personal responsibility in how your party has royally screwed up everything it could out of personal hatred of anyone named Clinton, Gore or Obama.

        • GreginPottsville

          The only hate I see is from liberals whenever a conservative comes up with an idea.

          • johninPCFL

            Well, except for the ACA, which was forwarded by a conservative think tank. For the conservatives to hate their own idea only required Obama to agree with it, as Dominic said.

          • Sand_Cat

            We can’t help it if you can’t see out of your rectum. The rest of your head is in the way!

          • GreginPottsville

            If you libs are not interested in my penis, then it is my rectum. You all are a sick bunch.

          • ddingus

            Conservatives came up with the health care , almost the same law under Newt . I guess conservatives are only happy if the pass the law.

      • Dominick Vila

        Asking people to take personal responsibility for their well being and get the insurance coverage they need, instead of Emergency Room freebies subsidized by the Federal Government and by those who pay high premiums to support the uninsured, is not overreach. It is common sense.

        • GreginPottsville

          Then why affect 300 million plus?

          • Dominick Vila

            Those who already have healthcare insurance through their employers will not be affected in any way. Individuals who already have healthcare insurance will, theoretically, see their premiums go down, and the uninsured will have coverage and access to preventive medicine they currently do not have.
            Add to that the fact that thousands of handicapped Americans who could not get coverage because of the pre-existing condition clause, and those who had to sell their houses and use all their assets to pay for medical care when they reached caps established by the insurance industry, and most of what is included in ACA will have a positive effect on our society.
            Even the insurance industry will benefit from having a larger pool of customers, corporations should be able to lower operating costs as a result of lower insurance premiums because of larger pools of insured citizens. The only ones that will be adversely affected are those who are satisfied with their socialist ER freebies, and those who oppose ACA because of who championed and signed that legislation.
            The real problem with ACA is that it didn’t go far enough.

          • GreginPottsville

            Keep smoking whatever you are smoking, because you are living in a dream world.

          • Dominick Vila

            I don’t even smoke regular cigarettes. Sorry to bother you with facts to difficult for you to understand, consider, or refute with a logical argument.

          • GreginPottsville

            When you come up with something logical and realistic let me know. Because you haven’t yet.

          • ddingus

            Pull your head out of the sand Gregin , There is NOTHING YOU HAVE WRITTEN THAT IS RIGHT. I will no longer comment on anything you say because you’re too unintelligent for me to correspond with on any of these subjects.

          • elw

            How do you think Obamacare will affect people who already have good healthcare coverage through their employer?

          • GreginPottsville

            Reduced coverage since the employer would have to offer coverage to every employee. Next question.

          • elw

            Not true, more facts that you are making up.

          • GreginPottsville

            I would bet you have no clue as to what business have to do now do you?

          • TZToronto

            Not facts, fantasies.

          • johninPCFL

            You’re already affected by higher insurance premiums, or you are one of the freeloaders who get your care for free at the ER. Either way, all 300+ million citizens are affected.

          • GreginPottsville

            My employer must pay much higher premiums now due to Obamacare, not ER freeloaders. Obamacare has certainly curtailed bonuses and raises. We haven’t been on any vacation for years (we don’t use credit cards). 300 million adversely affected by Obamacare, where maybe 1 million will be positively affected. That is the old Soviet style baby!

          • johninPCFL

            Seems like your state is one of those run by the GOP. If they’d implemented exchanges, your costs would likely have decreased. My company’s went from $15.5k/qtr to $9600/qtr.
            Maybe you should move to a state with brighter legislators and a better governor.

      • Joseph Squerciati

        Try getting health insurance with a pre-existing condition . I know that with the current employment situation many parents of newly minted college graduates are thankful that they can keep them on their plan until they are 26 .

        • Dominick Vila

          You are right. One of my grandsons is handicapped and could not get insurance coverage because of his condition.
          The problem is not limited to handicapped and critical ill persons in need of expensive surgery and care. My eldest son started a small business a few months ago, when he tried to get COBRA health insurance coverage he was informed that it would cost him $1,300 for himself, and well over $3,000 A MONTH for a family plan! Incredibly, that is the system Republicans are determined to preserve.

          • GreginPottsville

            You know why insurance is going up don’t you? They have been getting the stuffing beat out of them with taxes to pay for Obamacare. If you don’t believe me, talk to an insurance exec. I know plenty.

          • elw

            Then explain why health coverage has been going up since the 1920’s at a rate that have often been double the inflation rate?

          • GreginPottsville

            Dude, have you seen how much rates have gone up since Obamacare was signed and taxes were implemented? The rate of inflation is freaking tiny compared to what Obamacare has done to rates!

          • elw

            Have you bothered to compare that to the last 20 years or are just jumping to the conclusion that any raise in cost is the fault of Obamacare, most of which is not implemented yet. Actually the The Consumer Price Index showed a cost decrease for Medical cost for consumers in May of this year.

          • GreginPottsville

            You sound like such a fan of Obamacare but for some reason don’t know that that taxes to pay for it started in 2010. You are clearly in the dark.

          • elw

            OK, tell me which ones. Bet you cannot.

          • GreginPottsville

            On inusrance companies, medical supplies for starters. Now, Dems won’t cut the student loan rate. Know why? Obamacare needs more funding. Great plan.

          • elw

            You just love to twist the truth. Now you are blaming Obamacare and the Democrats for the Congress not doing something about the student loan rate increase; and you claim that somehow those extra dollars for the increased tax rate is going to fund Obamacare. Prove it! You are not entitled to make up the facts.

          • GreginPottsville

            UH OH!!!! From Forbes today:

            Labor Unions: Obamacare Will ‘Shatter’ Our Health Benefits, Cause ‘Nightmare Scenarios’

          • ddingus

            Gregin pull your head out of the stand long enough to read this article . Of course it’s not from Fox News or the Heritage Foundation , so you probably can’t trust the site. Those places are the ONLY PLACE REPUBLICANS BELIEVE.

            http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-taxes.php

          • ddingus

            Gregin , Pull your head out of the sand again. The ACA hasn’t went into effect as a whole yet. Thus the rates are only reactions of what may happen in the future. If you read the CBO reports , it stated that rates rose less than they have in over a decade this last year. You need to pull your head out of the sand and check the FACTS for yourself instead of listening to Fox news and The Heritage Foundation.

          • GreginPottsville

            When you calm down and your blood pressure returns to normal, you might like to know that insurance companies now are getting gouged with taxes to pay for Obamacare. That is not a reaction to the future. That is what is happening NOW.

          • Dominick Vila

            Insurance premiums have been going up since I got my first job over 6 decades ago. At first the increases were modest, that changed when Reagan supported free ER care in the 1980s. Another important reason is greed and fraud by some service providers.
            The ER freebies Republicans love is costing those who pay for the healthcare insurance we have a lot of money. Hopefully, the ER subsidies will stop as soon as ACA is fully implemented and ER services go back to what they were originally designed for.

          • GreginPottsville

            If, by chance, we cannot repeal ACA by 2017, I hope you are happy with the reduced quality of care and substandard docs. The good docs are retiring early rather than deal with Obamacare and the up and coming talented docs sure aren’t going to want to be paid what Obmacare is offering. This is the beginning of our nation becoming mediocre. That is what libs want, I know.

          • ddingus

            Republicans and their policies are making sure than no Republican will win the presidency in 2016 . They are at a losing point no matter what way they go. If they vote for immigration reform , they will put more into voting for a democratic president. If they don’t , whites aren’t producing children at the same rates as other races, so they lose because they voted against immigration reform. Republicans will have to put in more voter suppression to win by cheating. I guess you know nothing about republican voter suppression either Gregin. Keep your head in the sand and keep posting so everyone can know how ignorant you are in politics and everything else.

          • GreginPottsville

            Wow, that last sentence was mighty compassionate of you. I do know one thing about liberals, they have a monopoly on hate.

          • Dominick Vila

            About 20 million fellow Americans have been deprived of preventive medical care since we became a Republic as a result of not being able to afford the high premiums that many of us pay. Others can only afford substandard insurance coverage because of the same reason. Do you honestly believe the care they have been getting will deteriorate as a result of having access to medical care they currently don’t have?

          • GreginPottsville

            #1. How many of those 20 million are signing up now?
            #2. I really think you don’t understand how the best wages attract the best people. But I understand somewhat how the socialist mind works, so I understand your confusion.

          • Dominick Vila

            1. They will all be eligible for preventive medical care next year, when ACA is implemented. That is, unless Republicans succeed in getting rid of the mandate to ensure ALL Americans are responsible for their medical care and get insurance coverage like the rest of us do, instead of using Reagan’s socialized ER services.
            2. I was a NASA division manager before I retired. I understand very well the benefits of adequate salaries, a good benefit package, and good working conditions. Maybe better than you do. I also understand, however, that not everybody earns high salaries or inherits a fortune, that many fellow Americans need help to get essential services, and that we should all sacrifice a little to improve the quality of life of our fellow citizens.

          • GreginPottsville

            I know a fellow that currently works at NASA and his son is an intern there. Neither of them share any of your views. Not sure how being a manager at NASA all of the sudden makes the ACA the best thing since sliced bread, but if you feel it does, great.

          • Dominick Vila

            I got news for you, a large number of my former fellow workers did not share my views on the efficacy of social programs. That is the case everywhere you go, whether it is a school, a place of work, or a retirement community.
            My comment about my former job referred to your assertion about understanding the value of good wages, not the attributes or values needed to understand the benefits of a healthcare program that provides access to adequate preventive medical care to ALL Americans instead of the privileged ones who have insurance coverage through their employers or enough money to pay the high insurance premiums that insurance companies charge.
            I realize that trying to explain the need to be tolerant and compassionate to a Tea Party supporter is harder than extracting blood from a rock. Judging by some of the comments and opinions you express, it is apparent that some of the most important pre-requisites for TP membership include intolerance and lack of compassion for those who for a variety of reason cannot fend for themselves. Believing “I got mine, to hell with everyone else” may work for the disciples of the anti-Christ, it doesn’t work for this agnostic.

          • johninPCFL

            Bullshit. Insurance rates are going up at a rate slower than medical costs.

          • GreginPottsville

            You do know Obamacare put extra taxes on medical supplies don’t you?

          • johninPCFL

            $1 per $1000 dosn’t sound like it’s unaffordable. And getting care instead of waiting until the ER is the only option saves much more.
            Maybe you missed the story of the woman who lost her ob (and health insurance), got a splinter in her foot which got infected. On her unemployment compensation she chose not to have a doctor look at it (seems like eating was more important), it became septic, and she had a stroke. Her total ER plus follow-on care has now topped $300k, which she won’t be paying. In fact, you are paying it.

          • elw

            So what?

          • Sand_Cat

            Insurance execs will use any excuse to raise rates: it increases their bonuses. I bet you know plenty. You sound like the type of guy who likes to hang around with overpaid blowhards. Actually, correct that: you sound like an overpaid blowhard.

          • ddingus

            Gregin , you need to pull your head out of the sand again . Where have you been for the last decade??????? Oh , I know job provided health care so you didn’t notice the rise in the cost of healthcare. My wife’s health care costs have went up at least $50 a year for the last 7 years and that’s after I had to cancel my retiree insurance because of the rise in premiums from $245 to $800 in one raise. That’s not counting the small raises in the years before then. This was without a claim other than medication. This year it went up less than any previous years and the reason it rose less was due to the ACA caused the health care costs to rise LESS than it has raised in over a decade. Buy are you stupid on everything??????

          • GreginPottsville

            I notice the rise in costs because it affects raises. You have some fetish for my head and sand, don’t you. You are strange.

        • GreginPottsville

          I have a pretty major pre-existing condition and had no problem getting insurance. NOTE= YOU CANNOT be turned down if you have a pre-existing condition. Nice try. Educate yourself first please.
          So if a 25 year old commits a crime, do they go to thru the juvenile system?

          • elw

            Gregin – you have no idea what you are talking about. I worked for major health insurers, they only way people with pre-existing conditions can get health insurance coverage is through an employer. Those with pre-existing conditions who are self-employed or work for an employer who does not offer coverage are often turned down and when they are offered the coverage it is extremely expensive or will not cover their pre-exsisting condition. To the health insurers everything is a pre-existing condition including age, being a women, having had a baby and even being newly born. Starting in 2014 Obamacare is will change that and will help a good portion of the 60 million people who have been living without affordable access to health care.

          • GreginPottsville

            Dude, or Ms, you said you “worked” for major health insurers. I will clue you in. The laws changed. Nobody can be turned down with a pre-existing condition. You certainly didn’t keep up with the news since you “worked” their. Were you the cleaning person or something?

          • elw

            That provision does not take affect until 2014.

          • GreginPottsville

            IT WENT INTO EFFECT IN 2010. LOOK IT UP.
            Wow, I am dealing with the c students today.

          • elw

            How smart you think you are. The law was passed in 2010, the provision of it will be implemented over several years (2010 -2019). The provision on pre-existing condition takes effect in January of 2014. Here is a link look it up: http://kff.org/interactive/implementation-timeline/

          • ddingus

            Wrong again Gregin,, I could put article after article up telling you that you are wrong , I’ll settle for 2 but that won’t prove anything to a republican that has their head in the sand.

            http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2012/pre-existing/
            https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-i-have-a-pre-existing-health-condition

          • ddingus

            That was because of the ACA Gregin, pull your head out of the sand.

          • metrognome3830

            That is exactly what several people have told you Gregin. The law has changed under Obamacare. You run your mouth like a smartass 15-year-old. A particularly obnoxious one at that. And the word you want is there, not their, you little jerk.

          • Dominick Vila

            You can thank President Obama for ending the nefarious pre-existing condition clause that allowed you to get healthcare insurance. Before his decision you would not have been able to get it unless, of course, you are a millionaire able to pay thousands of dollars in monthly insurance premiums.

          • GreginPottsville

            Then why the heck do you keep crying about pre-conditions? You lied and said you can’t get insurance now with a pre-existing condition. Why lie, then pretend you didn’t?

          • Sand_Cat

            Good question. Why don’t you ask yourself?

          • Dominick Vila

            Greg, let me explain something to you. A few facets of the Affordable Care Act have been implemented since President Obama signed that legislation. Some of the most important include the elimination of the nefarious pre-existing condition clause that was in place for decades. Another is the elimination of insurance caps, another is making women care, including free mammograms available to all women. The bulk of the new program has not been implemented yet. It is scheduled to happen next year. Nobody is lying about anything. Make an effort to become familiar with the program that you oppose, and try to focus your criticisms on potential weaknesses in that program. Bear in mind that although many of us support ACA, inasmuch as it represents a step in the right direction, some of us would have preferred the single payer option. We accept ACA, in spite of all its flaws, because we understand that in a society such as ours major changes in direction must be achieved incrementally.

          • GreginPottsville

            Well thanks for explaining what I already know. Sorry you wasted your time. I don’t share your opinions.

          • Sand_Cat

            Nice sidestep, but your answer wasn’t cogent. Now try answering the question.

          • ddingus

            That’s because of the ACA Gregin Ask all the people that have either been thown off their policies or have reached their lifetime limits. once again , you have your head in the sand.

    • ADELE BERINO

      Very true,then the haters try to find all kinds of excuses to make it the worst
      kind of health reform.Nothing farther from the facts of course !

  • Allan Richardson

    As for Shakespeare: the late author Dr. Isaac Asimov (PhD in biochemistry), who had the advantage over most humanities and literature scholars of being well versed in science AND the history of past scientific theories, as well as self educated in literature, gave the definitive argument AGAINST Bacon or other noble personages being the author of at least one of Shakespeare’s plays. Romeo, while wooing Juliet, states that every star moves in its own orb (sphere, in Elizabethan English). But an educated man such as Bacon would have had more education in astronomy; that is, the Ptolemaic astronomy believed in the days before Galileo, Copernicus, Kepler and Netwon. In that theory, each PLANET (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn) moved in its own path (perfect circles whose centers move around perfect circles, to whatever depth is need to explain their apparent movement), the largest circle in each case being centered on Earth, the center of the cosmos. But an OUTERMOST sphere which rotated around Earth contained ALL of the stars. Bacon would not have had Romeo make that mistake (we know today that Romeo’s statement is true, but Bacon would have believed it to be false). And if that play could have been written by a self-taught commoner such as Shakespeare, there is no reason to believe a ghost writer would have been needed for the others.

    Like the Ptolemaic astronomy of Shakespeare’s day, Tea Party and Libertarian economic theories are based on false perspectives, one of them looking at broad social and political events ONLY from the viewpoint of one’s own selfishness, just as ancient astronomers (with the support of the Church as well) looked at the universe as being centered on OUR planet (note that they did not CALL Earth a “planet” since it was not in the sky; it was the center of the universe). Yet, like the Ptolemaists who insisted that Earth does not move, they refuse to look at facts that go against their PERCEIVED selfish interests. They refuse to admit that their ACTUAL interests, and everyone else’s as well, are better served by making medical care a public good, not a commodity subject to monopoly pricing, by deficit spending under certain conditions (such as RECESSIONS), by reasonable tax increases, etc.

    • idamag

      The only reason there has been any controversy over who wrote Shakespeare’s plays, is that Shakespeare was an illegitimate son of a merchant class woman. Those snobs cannot believe a person of low birth could have written them. However, geniuses are born in all walks of life and Shakespeare was enamored with the theater. I believe he wrote those plays.

      • GreginPottsville

        And if Planned Parenthood was around back then, we would never have heard of Shakespeare.

    • charleo1

      The average astronomer makes an annual salary of $101,000 dollars,
      before taxes. The average T-Bagger, in the House of Representatives
      makes a base salary of $174,000 per year. With their health insurance,
      life insurance, and retirement, covered by tax payers without deduction
      to base salary. They are entitled to a pension for life after 6 years. (3
      terms.) And qualify immediately if they happen to be beyond the age of
      60 when first elected. They’re office expenses are generously funded,
      with each receiving, $949,000 per annum. With the top staffer’s pay
      capped at $168,000 per year. With accompanying health, and life
      insurance benefits, of course. This is particularly galling, if we consider
      they voted strictly along Party lines to repel the Healthcare Reform Law
      37 times. in their last two year term. And, the number escapes me. A
      nearly equal number of bills restricting abortion. With each bill going
      through the entire process, costing taxpayers more than 5 million dollars
      per worthless effort, when total costs are calculated. The tab calculating
      the costs to the Country of their obstruction agenda continues to run.

  • charleo1

    We are seeing a lot of this phenomenon of, what was it? Conformation bias.
    Where one starts out with the destination already in mind. And simply uses the
    necessary routes to arrive. Pretending, all the while to be open to another arrival
    point, if the facts should support it. But, of course they never do. And that’s wound
    up costing us a lot over the years. The Domino Theory, gave us the cold war. That
    gave us Korea, and Vietnam. The, “evidence,” of WMDs in Iraq, were a slam dunk. When all the carefully investigated, facts were assembled. There was no other logical destination. We had to go to war, to save the world. it seems, on another subject of contention. There are those, who have arrived, using no confirmation bias whatsoever. At a place where global warming, causing climate change, doesn’t exist. Having used nothing but the finest, most accurate information available. Using scientist from the private sector. They swear they have found at the destination arrived at, indisputable evidence of a plot, by those promoting the false science of renewable energy. Involving officials the highest levels of government.
    I am shocked there are those still in denial of the denial, after Solendra! Talk to the hand, sucker. Talk to the hand!

  • elw

    Most of the people who hate Obamacare don’t even understand what it is. They confuse it with Medicare and Medicaid, think it will change the insurance they get from their employer, believe it has been fully implemented already and listen to FOX News. They live in alternative world that ignores science, the truth and nothing is going to change that. They just cannot stand it that they are unable to make Obamacare and that Black man in the White House disappear. They best thing they have to offer to any conversation are the jokes about them on late night TV.

    • GreginPottsville

      I don’t think Obama understands Obamacare. Are you an expert on it? Because, I have not heard of one person who understands the entire bill.

      • elw

        100 times more than you.

        • GreginPottsville

          Wow, that is a lot more times than me. It makes me wonder why you have no clue as to how businesses, especially small businesses are affected, particularly when you stated in another post that employees getting coverage now will keep the same coverage. You can’t be that out of touch with reality, can you?

  • TZToronto

    GreginPottsville seems to have a lot of time on his hands.

    • MMaguire

      Little Greggie is a professional poster. He claims to be an average guy working three minimum wage jobs to support his family. In reality, he spends all day every day bouncing around the internet posting his extreme rightwing views.

  • howa4x

    I think we all have to go back before Obama was elected and look at the healthcare landscape. We had an estimated 32 million uninsured who were using the emergency rooms for primary care, and health care costs were the leading cause of personal bankruptcies. Insurance companies could drop anyone for any reason or refuse to insure them or pay post treatment by declaring this individual had pre existing conditions, and an estimated 50,000 people a year died from lack of access to the healthcare system The first .20cents of every premium dollar went directly to Wall st as profit., and all this was going on when GWB was president. A president who in eight years in office did nothing to avert this crisis since 400.000 died on his watch needlessly. There were powerful forces allied to keep everything the way it was and because of that the public option was DOA. So the next best thing which Obama thought was acceptable to conservatives was Romney’s plan implemented in Mass. Guess what? The republicans didn’t care that this was a plan that relied on personal responsibility for health care, which is what they have been preaching for years, or a republican actually made it work in a blue state. It was Obama presenting it and that galled every republican to no end and just like everything else they threw every obstacle they could against the plan. Now Red states are actually refusing the Medicaid expansion. So a state with the worst health outcomes in the country, Mississippi, a place where residents have the life expectancy of a person living in Bangladesh, could refuse aid to help their residents in the name of liberty and freedom. Welcome to the republican party. Ayn Rand couldn’t have dreamed up a better party to emulate her ideas.

  • Sand_Cat

    Think it would be more accurate to say Obama haters hate Obamacare, but what’s the difference?