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When treason became a Washington buzzword, the pushback came fast and furious.

Donald Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian government attorney, a Russian government lobbyist and others to obtain damaging information about Hillary Clinton does not qualify as treason, the Washington Post explained, because of the language of the Constitution.

“Treason is a little extreme for this,” said law professor Richard Briffault. “[Russia] may not be our friend, but it is not clear they are our enemy. We are not at war.”

The very allegation is a sign of the “licentiousness of the press,” sniffed the Washington Times.

Team Trump has possibly violated 52 U.S. Code Section 30121, said the experts at Slate. And even on that petty charge, scholars dispute whether a foreign government’s opposition research constitutes a “thing of value.”

Such are the pedantic ways of commentators stuck in the pre-post-modern world where (they believe) their facts are inherently superior to “alternative facts” and legalisms will (one day) prevail over right-wing rhetoric, if only liberals play nice. It’s an attractive sentiment refuted only by reality.

Common Sense

The dismissal of the treason charge, wittingly or unwittingly, abets the White House strategy of improvising a new legal defense as law enforcement closes in on the perpetrators.

The claim that the Trump campaign had no contact with the Russians and that the charge of collusion was “disgusting” has morphed into the claim that collusion with a foreign power is just “politics,” and doesn’t meet the legal definition of treason.

The goal of this strategy is to exculpate Team Trump from criminal charges as new facts emerge. There’s no reason why Trump’s critics need to play along.

The commonsense definition of treason is “betrayal of country,” the standard that Team Trump has interpreted broadly for its own purposes.

In 2016, New Hampshire State Rep. Al Baldasaro said Hillary Clinton “should be shot for treason.” Last month Baldasaro was invited to the White House.

Team Trump has no grounds for criticizing anyone for a loose definition of treason. For the White House, “treason” is a useful stick to bludgeon its opposition.

‘Effecting By Force’

Trump’s critics have a higher standard: treason is a plausible, if not yet proven, interpretation of the acknowledged facts.

Contrary to Professor Briffault, treason as defined in the U.S. Constitution and the law does not require that the enemy be “at war” with the United States. Article 3 of the U.S. Constitution states, “treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.”

The legal meaning of “levying war” is not synonymous with “at war,” nor does it require a formal declaration of war.

The definition of levying war is:

“the assembling of a body of men for the purpose of effecting by force a treasonable object, and all who perform any part however minute, or however remote from the scene of action, and who are leagued in the general conspiracy, are considered as engaged in levying war, within the meaning of the Constitution.”

The question is: Did Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort assemble with assorted Russian government representatives on June 9, 2016, for the “purpose of effecting by force a treasonable object?”

The question cannot be answered because we have not yet heard Kushner and Manafort’s account of the meeting. We don’t know what they hoped to effect. Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller is making inquiries.

What we do know is that the Trump White House’s account of the meeting is fraudulent (no, it wasn’t about adoption as the Trumps originally claimed) and that fraud can be a form of force.

In other words, the assertion of treason may be premature, but the accusation is not. The possibility of treason cannot be excluded based on the available evidence, as Senator Tim Kaine noted.

“Nothing is proven yet,” Kaine told CNN. “But we’re now beyond obstruction of justice in terms of what’s being investigated. This is moving into perjury, false statements and even into potentially treason.”

The available evidence shows that the actions of Team Trump are potentially treasonous. The buzzword, properly modified, is precise, if not prescient.

Jefferson Morley is AlterNet’s Washington correspondent. He is the author of the forthcoming biography The Ghost: The Secret Life of CIA Spymaster James Jesus Angleton (St. Martin’s Press, October 2017) and the 2016 Kindle ebook CIA and JFK: The Secret Assassination Files.

This article was made possible by the readers and supporters of AlterNet.

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65 responses to “Why Not Call It Treason?”

  1. Dominick Vila says:

    Nobody is calling Trump’s actions, and that of his closest advisors, treason because the Federal government, and most governorships and State legislatures, are controlled by people more interested in their personal interests than enforcing the law consistent with the tenets outlined in the Constitution. If meeting with foreigners with close ties to a government that has been hostile to the USA for decades does not constitute treason, what does? If encouraging a country that has been an adversary of the USA for decades to spy on us and share their findings with the general public does not constitute treason, what does? If proposing the establishment of a communication medium that utilizes the systems of a foreign government to keep information away from the American people does not constitute treason, what does? The definition of treason, collusion, and unethical behavior has become meaningless because those in power are more interested in retaining their influential jobs than because there are no basis to call a spade a spade. Unfortunately, the worst part of all this may involve Generalissimo Trump firing the Special Counsel that is investigating Russian involvement in the 2016 election, and collusion by the Trump administration. Should this happen, the line between dictatorial behavior and lawlessness, and Trump’s behavior, will be so fine it will be almost invisible…and with the exception of a few feigned expressions of indignation, he will get away with it by wrapping himself in the flag and engaging in discourse that is itself a rejection of everything the Constitution stands for.

    • FireBaron says:

      You mean like his implication that the Ethics Laws do not apply to him because as the President he is above the law? If it looks like a duck…

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        Trump is going down. The more he sputters, makes threats, tries to intimidate to stop this investigation, the guiltier he, Iskanka, Donny Jr. and Pricky Ricky look. These 4 know what’s coming.

        Their idea is to make it all look like it’s just business. It is. Just not when you are president of the US.

        By now Trump must rue the day he thought he could help his lover Putin get rid of that Magnitsky Law that placed sanctions on Russian money and oligarchs ability to launder money through US banks and Trump’s real estate deals.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      They aren’t calling it treason because they would rather he go to jail for his crimes. And make no mistake, Trump is desperate to stop investigations into his financial deals because the skank that he is has made Art of the Deal into Art of Masterful Money Laundering.

      In order for lawyers to prove treason, they have to prove malice of intent. With Trump being so impulsive, that would be harder to prove than money laundering they can see in black and white.

  2. Trump has dumped himself into his own trick bag, and in desperation he and his team of servile lackeys are in a tizzy trying their best to hide. Running has been effective up to now, but Jared and Trump Jr. both have aided in getting a noose around Trump’s neck. A little more time and the trap door will be opened, and Trump will be swinging in the breeze, not by a lynch mob, but by virtue of his own willful and irresponsible decisions.

    As stated before here, Trump has operated for decades under the fatal assumption that his arms are long enough to box with God—a metaphor. Being utterly dismissive of the absolute necessity to develop one’s spiritual qualities, to at least give the semblance of trying to be moral, and to show some contrition and humility, Donald has opted to go the way of that which is termed Satan—the one as described in the Bible as Iblis, or in the Qur’an as Shaytaan. “Satan” was cast out of heaven, which is a metaphor explaining that the single-most reviled attribute—the ego— is incompatible in the Most High Realm, as more aptly described by Baha’u’llah, and therefore anyone carrying such baggage has no place in the same realm as those who exerted efforts to develop spiritual qualities, and places himself “away” from God, as opposed to being “near” God. The former has been clarified by Baha’u’llah to refer to “Hell”, and the latter as “Heaven”.

    ———————————————————————————————————-
    “O SON OF EARTH! Wouldst thou have Me, seek none other than Me; and wouldst thou gaze upon My beauty, close thine eyes to the world and all that is therein; for My will and the will of another than Me, even as fire and water, cannot dwell together in one heart.”
    ———————————————————————————————————-

    Trump, and all those who are aligned with or are in support of his actions, are in the same trick bag as Donald, and have this morbid fascination with being opposed to the Will of God. And this translates into various demonic behavioral patterns like sexual assault, racism, hatred of one’s fellow human beings, murder, healthcare denial, exorbitant charges for basic necessities and medical services, greed, etc.—and not listed in any particular order of degrees of transgression.

    It strikes me that Trump and so many of our politicians at all levels—as is Putin and others in the world— are treading on very thin ice at this stage in their earthly lives.

    “O Son of Being! Bring thyself to account each day ere thou art summoned to a reckoning. For death unheralded shall come upon thee, and thou shalt be called to give account for thy deeds.”

    Just my unofficial 2 cents worth.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      I think it’s is kind of amusing that Trump is so desperate to find out what it is the Special Prosecutor has on him. And make no mistake. Mueller is going down a path that is bound to uncover the most massive Russian intereference in our government and our country that no one thought possible.

      Prediction: When Mueller ties together all of Trump’s Russian oligarch business deals, the pattern of money laundering will make Madoff’s theft of $67 billion look like peanuts.

      Trump was instrumental in selling a lot of US real estate to Russians. Now, he’s trying to make it appear that was “just business as usual.” Not when the money they bought that real estate with was laundered through a Forex bank and European banks.

      Deutschebank already got caught once laundering Russian money and got a $320 million fine in 2013. Now, they are under investigation again.

      The right wing will make it look as if money laundering is no big deal. Oh no? Not when that money is laundered in the US and ends up in Putin’s government bank.

    • Alain Vercammen-Grandjean says:

      As the first five commandments prove, god has no ego! Mazeltov & Proficiat!

  3. yabbed says:

    It’s called High Crimes and Misdemeanors and requires impeachment. It is treason.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      I’ve said from the get go Trump is dirty. Since his campaign, he now has nearly 4,000 lawsuits for various attacks and mouthing off with his lies.

      It has always been about what Trump is hiding. He goes to such extremes to stop an investigation into his collusion with Russia that he is now threatening a special prosecutor.

      Trump hasn’t a leg to stand on even with his corrupt team of lawyers, none of whom are Constitutional lawyers..just a bunch of Mafia defense lawyers Trump put together because he is as much a thug as his lawyers former defendents, Gotti and Giganti.

      • pisces63 says:

        Though I would not insult them by putting them in the same group as trumpites. they, at least, were living true to form. that idiot is the president. Knows nothing. Does nothing. Has this hard on for anything Obama and throw fund raisers like here in Ohio, Youngstown, next week and the idiots will turn out, too.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          OMG! Did you hear him going on and on in self praise about how much the French Pres. Macon was holding Trump’s hand?

          How, how how how can someone who claims he is the smartest man in the world, go on and on about Napolean with all the wrong history? To hear Trump tell it, Napolean was bested by the Russians.

          Because Trump suffers from Narcisstic Personality Disorder of the most extreme degree, any man who earns success honestly, like Obama, is a natural enemy.

          You have to wonder what kind of cesspool he was raised in. For the 4 decades he has been in our NY/NJ Metro region media, we all knew he was “off.” But, mostly he spent his time trying to extricate himself from the fact that Mommy Mary Ann was a Scottish immigrant who worked as a house maid and Daddy Fred wasn’t born rich either. Trump’s grandfather died when his father was a boy of 12.

          It was Trump’s grandmother, Elizabeth Christ Trump, who with her son, Fred, began a career in home sales. Not exactly in the big time either. They basically built and managed homes, apartments and barracks for the U.S. Navy along the East Coast.

          He only comes to NJ to fulfill the occupancy law at that Bedminster golf course. In NJ, any property with a business on it can be business tax exempt IF the owner proves occupancy a specific number of days a year. That’s why Trump has to be there in Bedminster. To avoid paying business taxes. To play on that course costs $200,000 a pop and is only open to the elite.

          • pisces63 says:

            I have always wished someone would go that extra mile to check his no knowledge. He has no clue to French history. What? When? Where? How? Napoleon? Puh-leeze what could he know of him and Michel Nez. Now he will honor the surviving crew of the Arizona and he could not begin to tell you how, what, when it happened and by whom.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            To hear Trump tell it, Napolean was at the Russian border in just hours. Do you believe this? He claims that in only a few hours Napolean was on his way to the Russian border. From France?

            There are times when I can’t figure out if Trump play acts at this kind of stupidity or it is his feeble attempts to show his superiority.

            What’s worse is that his followers believe this. Now, they’ll go along with changing history books, artifacts and archived documentation just to make Trump’s dumbass statements correct.

          • pisces63 says:

            Lordy, I HOPE no one asks him about Germany and the battle of Stalingrad!!! They got here in a matter of minutes since they had weapons and motor cars, etc!!

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Since he hates Chancellor Angela Merkle and was trying to put the make on the French First Lady, any questions about Stalingrad would come through Putin.

            Trump hates that so many people are always one step ahead of him. He never stops to consider that it’s his lack of education and knowledge that’s the reason he is so easy to figure out.

            It may seem as if this has been a long haul and yet it is only 6 months into a new term of office and already the depth of these investigations into Trump are freezing out all other issues.

            Trump is such a massive embarassment to educated Americans. We hear what he says and then cringe. What is scarier is that he is leaving military decisions to Mattis who is having to resort to consulting with the Obama Administration Pentagon people on serious issues like Syria.

            It’s obvious Putin is after control of Syria and is hiding the fact he’s getting help from Iran. The very Iran that the Republicans fought like hell to stop the removal of sanctions.

          • pisces63 says:

            Sean Spicer just resigned.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            OMG! No way???? I was busy writing a 2,000 word article for a client. Thank you for keeping me posted!

          • Gilbert West says:

            Yeah… Putin, Syria, Iran and North Korea… and a dim-witted Donald Trump.

          • Gilbert West says:

            After that dinner… One wonders if the First Lady does not also work for Putin. Bait-on-a-hook… Are we to believe that she actually loves this self-centered, evil-minded bastard?

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            I’ve said that from the get go that Melania Knavs Trump, a Slovenian born porn model was Putin’s Mata Hari. Her parents are pro Putin supporters. How did they get entry into the US if not with Trump’s help?

            Just what you want in the White House, right? 3 Russian spies.

          • Alain Vercammen-Grandjean says:

            Five pennies history for you!
            Napoleon retreated from Russia in 1812 lost in Waterloo in 1815.

            In 1812 and on Andrew Jackson defeated the Creek Nation killing thousands of American Indians.
            The Hero Jackson forced the Treaty of Fort Jackson that encompassed the Creeks to give up nearly 23 million acres (war bounty) and remove their settlements to a smaller area of land that American forces could more easily patrol.
            http://thehermitage.com/learn/andrew-jackson/general/war-hero/

          • pisces63 says:

            Right! Once he was president passed the Indian
            relocation act. Over 70 thousand forcibly moved west of the Mississippi with over 10 thousand tribal deaths. The Trail of Tears.

            Horatio Lord Nelson fought Napoleon at Trafalgar where he lost his life. Napoleon met his Waterloo against Wellington,
            he of the gorgeous boots.

          • Alain Vercammen-Grandjean says:

            So what is your point? Mine is this.

            The war business goes on along with its propaganda.!

            Those who don’t want to play ball are demonized and pushed into it.
            What I read here just leads to conflicts.
            Curse, menace and madness wrapped in plain vulgarity are the element of this recipe. Apparently they never learn!
            Frustration almighty in all format is their master.
            Ignorance is paramount in this delirium.
            Waking consciences seems aimless. Bye.

          • Alain Vercammen-Grandjean says:

            Napoleon took a little more than a month to get there it is true.
            I don’t see the Trump reference anywhere though!
            You and your European vassals are all over the Russian borders trying to provoke your indispensable “enemy” without whom the US Military Industrial Complex (MIC) and NATO would demise!
            Thank you who? Putin. The paying agent orange…
            This is a sponsored Message from the alien agent paid by MIC a good penny.
            Let us push for war my fellow bright friends!
            Danger is at hand. Resistance is called for! You can do it again.
            https://nantes.indymedia.org/system/photo/2017/07/14/18816/danzigercostplus-medium.jpg?1500022269

    • InformedVoter says:

      Sorry yabbed, but even your own FAKE news sources are saying there is no chance for treason or impeachment or even charged with a crime.

      Mueller will disappoint you lefties that are foaming like made dogs. The only people who will be outed are Lynch and obozo. I bet you’ll love that.

      • roguerunners says:

        You are such a bore! Go away!

        • InformedVoter says:

          Poor Rogue, it sure looks like you are in self-denial about President Trump’s MANDATE victory!

          Your problem is that you can’t handle the truth. The Dem party has lost over 1100 seats since obozo took office. The Dem party has lost EVERY election since November.

          The Russia collusion “scandal” is going nowhere! Even TNM, WP, NYT and others are admitting that President Trump is NOT going to be impeached. Yet you keep believing the FAKE MSM polls! I’d rather be a bore than be so poorly informed as you.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            The Russian collusion isn’t going away moron. That’s what Haldemann thought about WaterGate too. Did that go away? You bet it didn’t. Nixon had a choice…resign in disgrace or be impeached.

            As for you and your fake BS, intelligent people don’t stay where they are not wanted.

            What precisely is your purpose of coming onto a thread where discussions are in direct opposition to your BS?

          • InformedVoter says:

            Poorly informed Elle, I make posts in an attempt to educate the low information sheep who tend to tunnel around in these forums. Look how poorly informed you were about HilLIARy leading the polls. Look how poorly informed you were about the GA election (please call assoff and ask him how it worked out for him). This list in boundless. I’m doing civic good work trying to educate folks like you and you just bite the hand that feeds you!

            I Just loved the way Kushner destroyed the low information sheep in today’s interview. Kiss the collusion “scandal” goodbye! The only ones who will be investigated are Lynch and obozo for PERSONALLY extending the visa for the Russian.

            FYI, it’s not collusion nor illegal to meet with a foreign agent in an attempt to get dirt on a political figure, even the sitting president! When will you low information sheep realize that!

            Most of the left-leaning news sources have given up on the collusion FAKE “scandal” and have admitted that they don’t think it’s possible to impeach President Trump. When will you admit you’ve got ZIP. Several of your fellow posters have finally fessed up that the impeachment route is gone.

        • idamag says:

          Why respond to that backwoods jerkwater. He or she has never said anything that would be indicative of an informed voter.

          • roguerunners says:

            Yeah. It and I have been down that road of nothing. It has nothing but insults and saying everyone who it disagrees with it is uninformed. Just so tedious. Sometimes I can’t help myself. :/

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        So you admit that Trump sucked up to the NY Times a week ago when he blabbed his BS threats to Sessions, Mueller and Rosenstein?

        First of all, asshat. Robert Mueller is something Trump is NOT…a Bronze Medal Winner with a “V” for Valor. Trump’s only valor is being a dirty rotten low down bum. Mueller also won a Purple Heart while your asshat was making jokes about Viet Nam on Shock Jock Howard Stern’s show. Mueller also has 2 Navy Commendations Medals. The only medals your shitbagger has is the one on his Lard Ass that is his reward for producing BS.

        Men like you need to be ganged up by a dozen women, deballed, dedicked and then smeared in Trumpshit.

        As for Trump’s lame ass excuses that Mueller is guilty of conflict of interest so he can fire Mueller, Trump’s lawyer picked that line from the Justice Department laws that state and I quote, “removal of special counsel can ONLY be done “only by the personal action of the AG and ONLY for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest or other good cause.”

        What would Trump fire Mueller for if not for refusing to kiss Trump ASS and be loyal to the president and not his country?

        So Trump fires Mueller and then we fire Trump. Enjoy your BS fest.

        • InformedVoter says:

          Poorly informed Elle, NO I didn’t admit that President Trump sucked up to NYT!

          The investigation, with today’s interview completed, is history. Mueller is still looking for his 15 minutes of fame, but he now knows that he can’t really make any charges for two reasons: 1) there was nothing illegal done and thus no crimes committed, and 2) he’s made the classic mistake of bringing biased assistants on board. This is a tip off that they are going to produce not one charge. Otherwise, the case would be considered biased and carry no weight.

          I guess you’re just going to continue to foam at the mouth, but I’m trying to get you to accept reality.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            I don’t need to foam at the mouth, Dogbreath. Trump kissed NYT ass and you can’t admit it. He didn’t use Breitbart for his threats to fire Sessions or get rid of Mueller did he? Oh no. Your hypocrite in Chief KNEW not to rely on his fake news sites because it was too chancey AP wouldn’t even bother to pick it up.

            So much for how informed you are about journalism dicklicker.

          • InformedVoter says:

            Sorry Poor Elle, but you of course don’t know what you’re saying.

            President Trump DIDN’T kiss NYT to make threats about firing anyone, least of all Mueller. Muller will be dismissed because he is using resources that contributed to HilLIARy’s campaign and thus they lack credibility.

            You keep thinking you will someone dig up dirt on President Trump, but it hasn’t happened in 9 months and will not happen. Lawsuits are meaningless!

            You just have to accept that President Trump will be around for another 3.5 years! But you just can’t handle the truth or reality.

    • jimmy midnight says:

      It’s almost certain that they’ve and violated numerous criminal laws, and will eventually B held 2 account.

      But the the Civil Libertarian in m

  4. Eleanore Whitaker says:

    Money laundering is not something Trump considers illegal. He’s already paid a hefty $25 million fine for his first offense. The government and law enforcement know that it wasn’t the first and only time.

    Trump might also be guilty of obstruction of justice beause his plan is to fire Sessions who had to recuse himself due to his connections to the Trump campaign. So Trump gets rid of Sessions, replaces him with someone who can’t be recused and then Trump gets that AG to fire Mueller for some “Trumped” up reason.

    If Trump pulls off that stunt, he creates a Constitutional Crisis that doesn’t end the investigation he’s so desperate to stop. It would then be the domain of the House of Representative to file a charge of obstruction of justice.

    Trump believes he can rule like a czar but he forgets he is only ONE branch of the US government. Not ALL branches.

    He wants the FBI Dir. to report directly to him as well as all other law enforcement departments. Unless you are totally brain dead, you can see where he is going with his CEO style power plays.

    He allows himself to be interviewed by the NYT and then has Sarah Sanders Fat Ass tell the country he has “no” intentions of firing Mueller. Trump knew he was using the NYT to make sure AP and the world picked up his interview with the NYT he calls “fake news.” But when he wants to make his threats well known to those he is attacking, he knows not to use “fake news” no sane person bothers to read.

    He’ll fire Mueller, Sessions and Rosenstein. But, he’ll do what he always does..let the threats sink in and the country be lulled into a false sense of security because Fat Ass Sarah said he isn’t planning to fire Mueller. BS. He’ll will fire him just not until no one expects it.

    If ever there was proof the Republican Big Boys cannot possibly stay one step ahead of Trump, they are proving it like champs.

    It’s all “fake” news until he needs to make threats. What the hell makes him think he and he alone can threaten the entire government? Time for him to wave the white flag of surrender.

    • Dominick Vila says:

      What is going to bring him down, if he allows the ongoing investigations to proceed and the Republicans have the guts to challenge his dictatorial traits, is money laundering. The warning he sent to Special Counsel Mueller was not an idle threat. Don’t forget Donald Jr’s acknowledgement in 2008 when he said that much of their wealth came from Russia. Considering the fact that Trump bags about being a billionaire, is it reasonable to think that most of his wealth comes from a few hotels and golf courses in Russia? Hardly. The Russian connection involves the enormous wealth accumulated by Putin ($200B) and by the oligarchs around him. Much of that money has been either deposited in Western banks or laundered to willing Westerners who benefited from those transactions…and are beholden to Putin and the rest of the Russian mafia. Trump does not praise and openly admire Putin because of his cold demeanor and deeds. He loves the guy because he has benefited financially from Putin’s transfer of wealth to the West. That’s where the Matinsky Act comes into play. Not because Putin retaliated by banning Westerners from adopting Russian orphans, but because it allows Western governments to freeze the assets of those guilty of human rights abuses and fraud. Putin, and his emissaries, could care less about the adoption issue. They want Trump to unilaterally get rid of the legislation that threatens his wealth and Tsarists dreams.

      • old_blu says:

        I noticed Trump is really afraid of what Special Counsel Mueller is going to dig up while looking into Trump’s finances.
        I suspect Trump’s been doing some laundering of his own.
        Hello Dominick, it’s been a long time my friend, I hope you are well.

        • Dominick Vila says:

          Thank you. Had a lot of problems lately, but I feel much better.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          Here in the NY/NJ Metro area, we suspected there was some bizarre little money laundering game between Trump, his Saudi High Rollers and the Russian oligarchs he was selling US properties to.

          The reason for these suspicious was that Trump declared bankruptcy in 2013 nearly as soon as he got that FinCEN fine for money laundering at his NJ casino. All of this is documented at the U.S. Treasury and FinCEN.gov sites.

          However, Trump also claimed in 6 corporate bankrutcies he didn’t have the money to pay his hotel and casino employees or the contractors he owed money to. He claimed he had a total of only $995 million left. $2 million a month goes to his first and second wives for their alimony and he had already made a deal with Russia (let’s pretend he never met Putin to discuss the building of that Moscow Trump Hotel, right?) to build a hotel in Moscow and Azerbaijan. Neither of which he could possibly have had the money to do without the help of Deutschebank lending him billions.

          But then, Deutschebank, a Forex bank, got a $320 million fine for laundering Russian money.

          It shouldn’t be difficult to see what the Russians under Putin were doing…infiltrating the US by buying up property with laundered money through the only bank that would lend Trump any money due to his reputation for not paying what he owes: Deutschebank.

          Now, Deutschebank handed over Trump’s banking records to Mueller via subpoenae.

          However, the real problem comes when the Special Counsel has to acquire the records of foreign banks (namely Putin’s government bank in Russia) who lent Trump money.

          • old_blu says:

            That is some interesting stuff Eleanore, thank you for that.
            “Trump admitted that it failed to implement and maintain an effective AML program; failed to report suspicious transactions; failed to properly file required currency transaction reports; and failed to keep appropriate records.”
            If he admitted to it, (completely unheard of from Trump) that means the 10 million dollar fine was pretty minor compared to the money the Russian and Saudis were funneling to him.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Great post! You are obviously a financial heavy weight. I missed that post fine ripple effect you posted. Thank you!

            The RICO and racketeering charges in NY State are still pending and might go global. Trump made millions on that bogus Trump University. Though he settled out of court…like FinCEN, he was able to write off the fine and paid no taxes on the over millions he earned from fraudulently misrepresenting Trump University.

            If Robert Mueller is ever able to get to the bottom of Trump’s numerous business deals, it will likely show more money laundering.

            The righties love to make it look like that’s “just business as usual.” Yet, it is Trump himself fighting like hell to stop an investigation into his business practices.

            There isn’t enough money in the Russian government bank for Trump to settle out of court this time.

            One good thing though is that the business practices that have cause so much corruption are now in the faces of all Americans and we have Trump to thank for that. rofl.

          • old_blu says:

            Thank you for your kind words, but I just know how to read.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            These days, honorable Americans are a rarity. Most of us need heightened perceptions to get through what lies ahead.

          • dpaano says:

            And thick skins!!!

          • kep says:

            Lol. There is nothing, nor will there ever be, any honor on you whatsoever.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Don’t make us laugh. The only reason you come to a thread you know is in direfct opposition to your narrow minded shitbrain ideas is so you can get attention. What’s the matter dipshit? Mommy dumped you off in daycare like a sack of potatoes and forget to wean you?

            Don’t use words you don’t know the meaning of…honor is what this country was built upon. Compare that POS Lard Ass in the White House with any of the other 44 past presidents. Only yours is a sleaze bag he used to hang out at that sex pit in NY City…Plato’s. Only yours tried to get into those LINY sex orgies in those Gold Coast Mansions. Only yours has a whore wife who aged out of the PORN model world. Only yours has a whore daughter who has been photographed with her Daddy’s hands all over her boobs. Only yours has been charged with rape and paid his way out.

            Oh gee…money laundering? No biggee…Making nice to the Russians? Fine and Dandy…now, he’s in the fishbowl and like you pricks on the right, he suddenly doesn’t like the media until they all end his hunger for FACE TIME. Give it up moron.

          • kep says:

            Liberals are terrorists that should be deported or jailed.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            CONmen like you are paid by Putin. We consider you shitbags traitors. Our forefathers used to hang traitors. Should we get a rope ready for you and your traitor shitbaggers?

          • kep says:

            Find one to your liking. You will be the one being hanged.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Awww…What’s the matter keppie? Worried that the legal case for traitors like you could see you in prison? Your version of law is not law but BS. As for me being hanged, you already know you’ve met your match. I know law better than you ever will. And I know that Trump is going down for more than just obstruction of justice and you support a traitor who is so shitscared of being investigated that he is using every trick in the book to try and stop Mueller from finding out just how Trump used Putin’s hackers to rig the election. An innocent man doesn’t go to extremes to stop an investigation that would prove his innocence. Men like you have NO balls. So you support a criminal like Trump who never plays by the rules. That’s because men like you and Trump think rules are for other people. Now shoo…Before someone swats you or sprays you with Raid Insect repellent.

          • dpaano says:

            I agree….if Trump was all that innocent as he claims to be, you’d think he’d welcome the investigation to prove that he’s correct. Plus, why is he so adamant about not showing his tax returns…..what is he hiding. Everything he’s done up to this point shows that he has some guilt hidden somewhere….something that he doesn’t want to come out. If you’re innocent, why all the ranting and whining? Seriously?

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Even if you never lived on planet earth, you’d have a hard time justifying why it is Trump has so many connections to the Russians and continues to place great faith in Putin and the Russian government. No other president has ever had foreign connections during an election. They knew better. But Trump, as always, plays the Boy Genius who knows better than anyone in the world.

            It takes years to wade through Trump’s kind of double talk. But, what most of us see is a guy who thinks “innocence” for any crime short of murder can bought. And this is where I blame the government. Why fine him? He only turns around and pays the fine and then claims innocence.

          • dpaano says:

            It’s interesting that Kep puts down the left when it is the rightwing party that has committed the most treasonous crimes and the most hate crimes in our nation since Trump was inaugurated!

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            All of the right wingers’ mouths will finally be silenced. But not by us. Ironically, these dipshits will be silenced by their own as it always happens.

            Trump screwed himself royally when he thought he could play games with that sly little fox Sessions. Now KEP and his buddies on the right are seeing just how the rebels deal with double crossing slime balls like Trump.

            If Trump believes he will force Sessions to resign, he’s a fool. If he fires him, that is precisely what the cronies of the former Senator Sessions wants him to do. You can just bet that behind closed doors the Mutton Chops and Corn Pones of the GOP already have their plan of action to remove Trump. We won’t have to do a thing.

            Already Grassley, Graham and other senior Senators have been on TV saying they are appalled that Trump would try to “dishonor” an ack ack ack (choking getting this out) “an honorable man like Sessions.”

            Ah yes. The honor of the South is at stake here. And they will roast Trump over an open pit.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        I agree. The real problem for Trump is that he is desperate to make all of his business deals “proprietary” whether they are legal and above board or not.

        He already has one charge of money laundering against him. He has a NY state lawsuit for RICO violations and rackeeteering waiting for him the minute he loses that title he thinks he has. NY’s AG Eric Schneiderman is only waiting on the Special Counsel Mueller to complete the investigation of Trump Organization which is the total focus of the investigation as it would be when money and real estate deals with Russian oligarchs change hands in the US.

        I laugh and laugh when the media continues to imply that Trump has never met Putin until the G20. I would love to know if there are any Russian PR photos of Putsy sitting as close as possible to the runway when Trump brought the Miss Universe pageant to Moscow.

        “Russian Adoption” is Trump’s code word for “sanctions” Putin is demanding Trump get rid of. The reality is that the Magnitsky Act (H.R. 6156) was passed by the 112th Congress as a bi-partisan House and Senate legislation. It was introduced by Republican Michigan’s House Rep. Dave Camp on July 19, 2012 through the House Ways and Means sponsorship. It was name for Sergei Magnitsky, a Russian lawyer, whose arrest and subsequent death in custody generated international media attention and triggered both official and unofficial inquiries into allegations of fraud, theft and human rights violations.

        The Magnitsky Act places severe sanctions on Russia mainly for human rights violations. At that time, the number of deaths of dissidents and anti Putin journalists was growing. Some, like Boris Nemtsov were poisoned 3 times using a chemical only the Russia government has access to. He was fatally shot in February 2015.

        How any sane person can EVER consider making deals with a murderous assassin like Putin is beyond the ken.

  5. pisces63 says:

    Breaking news, Corey Lewandowski will speak at our City Club, here in Cleveland, Ohio in two weeks. Protests, already. One guy on NPR told the City Club, he was not worthy of them. considered him lower than the worse person on the forum. Not up to the standards.

  6. idamag says:

    Webster’s Dictionary defines treason as: “The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government to which the offender owes allegiance.” So, if the government is supposedly a democracy and a person colludes with a foreign government to subvert the democratic process of electing officials, is that an overt attempt to overthrow the government.? June 7, 2016, the district attorney of Riverside County, California, started getting calls that voters were not allowed to cast their ballots. Fortunately, quick thinking allowed these residents to cast provisional ballots. What would have happened in those states where there aren’t many quick thinkers? Current and former cybersecurity officials have found 39 incidences of cyber scanning our election data bases, 20 of those were compromised, 12 showed evidence of attempts to delete or alter voter roll information.This has been traced back to Russia. Whether it constitutes treason, or not, it is serious.

  7. Eleanore Whitaker says:

    If you heard Trump at the Boyscout Rally yesterday, you saw the beginnings of what Trump is planning: A whole generation of Trump Youth. Not so different from the way Hitler created his Hitler Youth. Start by reminding them of their futures under the Almighty god hero Trump and then reinforce his need to blow up his ego by turning a boyscout rally into a Rah Rah Rah Rah Rah Trump session.

    I watched for less than 5 seconds before those phony ass hand signals started. By then he was up to “Give ’em hell!” This for young boys he knows will turn on their parents if Trump decides to go that far.

    Trump is now cutting the House and Senate out of his deep state White House government. His plan is to use their recessess as his vantage point to fire anyone he wants, especially Sessions and Mueller. There is only one reason to do that: So Trump doesn’t get his Lard Ass caught in the corruption cesspool HE and no one else created.

    This nut has been trying to stop this investigation almost like a heroin addict gets desperate for their next fix.

    The one thing Trump cannot do is fire Mueller without cause. And if he fires Sessions first, that seals Trump’s fate. Sessions is a good ole boy who was a Senator with lots of “friends in the Senate” who won’t fail to take Trump down for dishonoring one of their own. It wouldn’t surprise me if they already have a rebel plan of action in the works.

    The trick with Trump is to nab him at his most vulnerable. That would be one of his family members. He went soft on Kushner but you can bet if Iskanka or Donny Jr. end up in the soup for their criminal actions and violations as members of Trump’s campaign and their contacts with Russia which is an open violation of CFR laws regarding election procedures, break the necks of these two and Trump breaks in half.

    • dpaano says:

      He’s such a slimy, sneaky bastard!!!

    • kep says:

      You amaze me everyday with your complete stupidity. If you want to see what real treason looksnlike, take abclose look at the uranium deal that Hillary brokered with Putin where she gave away twenty percent of Americas uranium to Russia in exchange for 129 million dollars donated to the Clinton Crime Family coffers. Now that is REAL treason and collution.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        You wish you could have the education I have. You wish you could be as accomplished as I am. You are jealous of me. There was NO uranium deal you lying sackoshit.

        Here is why I’ve got your Lard Ass and you in big lies. The only reason Putin supported Trump and not Hillary is because in 2012 when Putin was running for re-election, Hillary outed Putin and he blamed her for trying to sabotage his election. Putin hates Hillary.

        As for that 20% uranium BS, that too was another attempt by Putin to use his trolls like you to keep repeating that lie over and over. Too bad Politifact, CNBC and the NYT.

        From March 2016 Politifact checking on Trump’s lie, pure twist of facts he got from Putin:

        “In 2010, Hillary Clinton, as secretary of state, was one of nine federal agency heads to sign off on Russia’s purchase of a controlling stake in Uranium One, an international mining company headquartered in Canada with operations in several U.S. states. It was part of a regular process for approving international deals involving strategic assets, such as uranium, that could have implications for national security. Uranium One’s U.S. mines produced about 11 percent of the country’s total uranium production in 2014, according to Oilprice.com.”

        Time for you to stop your lying. The State Dept of the US was only ONE of 9 that approved Russia’s purchase of a controlling stake in a US Uranium company, Uranium One.

        Now admit you are a goddamn liar before someone has to make you admit it.

  8. dpaano says:

    It may not be called “treason,” but it certainly comes very close to collusion, especially if the main reason why Trump Jr went to the meeting was because he thought he was going to get some “dirt” on Hillary! If that’s his ONLY reason for attending the meeting, which it appears it was, then it was clearly inappropriate and he should have reported the call to the FBI before attending the meeting.

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