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Saturday, October 22, 2016

WATCH: Obama Calls For The Closing Of Guantánamo Bay Prison, An End To Post-9/11 Mentality

President Obama called for the closure of the detention camp at Guantánamo Bay and encouraged the use of federal courts to prosecute terrorists, during a press conference in the White House Briefing Room Tuesday morning.

“Well, it is not a surprise to me that we’ve got problems in Guantánamo, which is why, when I was campaigning in 2007 and 2008 and when I was elected in 2008, I said we need to close Guantánamo,” the president said, in response to a question about the ongoing hunger strike at the camp that has been reportedly joined by more than 100 prisoners.

“I continue to believe that we’ve got to close Guantánamo,” he said. “I think — well, you know, I think it is critical for us to understand that Guantánamo is not necessary to keep America safe. It is expensive. It is inefficient. It hurts us in terms of our international standing. It lessens cooperation with our allies on counterterrorism efforts. It is a recruitment tool for extremists. It needs to be closed.”

Obama issued a presidential memorandum calling for Guantánamo to be closed in 2009.

However, both Republicans and Democrats resisted moving the prisoners to a facility inside the United States. The 2011 Defense Authorization Bill prohibited “the use of funds to modify or construct facilities in the United States to house detainees transferred from United States Naval Station, Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.” The president signed the bill but announced that he would try to repeal or mitigate these restrictions in the future. Obama’s critics have pointed out that even if the president has objected to the camp’s location, he still supports the “core injustice” being practiced there: indefinite detention.

The president insisted Tuesday that the continued use of the camp was not sustainable.

“I mean, the notion that we’re going to continue to keep over a hundred individuals in a no-man’s-land in perpetuity, even at a time when we’ve wound down the war in Iraq, we’re winding down the war in Afghanistan, we’re having success defeating al Qaeda core, we’ve kept the pressure up on all these transnational terrorist networks, when we’ve transferred detention authority in Afghanistan — the idea that we would still maintain forever a group of individuals who have not been tried — that is contrary to who we are, it is contrary to our interests, and it needs to stop,” he said.

He then articulated the argument his government has made implicitly in the way it handled the arrest of the Boston bombing suspect: The federal justice system can handle terrorists who attack the United States.

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  • I was beginning to think this was never going to happen. Indeed, the embarrassment that Gitmo represents hurts our credibility and the strength of our values. It should have never been opened, torture and renditions should have never taken place, and ridiculous labels such as “enemy combatants” should have only flourished in the little brains of those determined to use stooges to project an illusion of patriotic courage where none existed.
    I am not sure it is such a good idea to put 9/11 behind us, however. We must never forget what happened on that tragic day, what contributed to it, or its aftermath. There are ways to defend our country, there are ways to honor victims of terrorism, and there are ways to bring justice to those who don’t hesitate to hurt us and use violence to advance they nefarious objectives. Cultural, ethnic, and religious hatred is not one of them. In fact, it puts us at the same level as those who don’t hesitate to use those human weaknesses to achieve their goals.

    • adriancrutch

      9/11 was a helluva way to pay for that insight,but it seems we have a crew that responds to any act as a military job reinforement. These people just can’t take no for an answer! The little (problems) like NK,Iran,etc. are just a vampid CIA running wild! Dangerous and logistically expensive! And congress approves of the insanity!

    • mike

      I guess you missed or being selective on Gitmo. Salon had a good article titled; The Obama Gitmo Myth. Go read it and get a wake up call.

      So you like Obama’s plan to kill them and be done with them? Your last sentence is pure crap. Are you not embarrassed that the “Red Line” has now been moved? Obama is so inept, he made a statement and when confronted with the facts walks it back. What a joke.

      We are at war, they are enemy combatants(sure not overseas contingents). Where are they going to put them? How about sending them home and drone them to death. What your side just doesn’t get, is if they had their way all Jews, all Gay, all non believers would be dead. Women would be second class citizens. I sure will fight them from getting their way. There will be no peace as it stands now. The moderate are afraid to speak out or they will be murdered. Imam’s foment these attitudes.

      • There are plenty of other places other than Gitmo. As it all started in 1934as it evolved to a “government corporation”. And may well be carried into FIMA / Homeland Security through Halliburton
        and Congressional Control.

        Who’s’ bright idea was it to ignore the warnings of 911? Who’s’
        bright idea was it to set in place FIMA / Homeland Security? Who deregulated the Corporate world as the out sourced our jobs to China for cheap labor. Soon after he became President-elect, George W. Bush picked Elaine Chao to serve as his Secretary of Labor.

        Secretary Defends Job Outsourcing
        DAVID A. LIEB, Associated Press AP News Archive Sep. 1, 2004 6:40 PM ET

        Labor Secretary Elaine Chao Insults American Workers!
        Discussion in ‘Politics’ started by NC-Stern-Mark, Jul 1, 2007.

        Elaine Chao is George W. Bush’s longest-serving cabinet member and wife of Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell. Under
        Elaine’s ‘leadership,’ the Department of Labor has turned into an agency that screwsAmerica’s workers and enables corporate

        While the U.S. points it’s finger at China for slave labor, the
        prisons program [FPI]in the U.S. operates
        cheap labor production that produce 100% Military Helmets, Ammunition Belts,Bullet-proof Vests, ID Tags, Shirts, Pants, Tents, Bags, And Canteens. 98%
        Equipment Assembly Services; 93% Paints and Paintbrushes; 92% Stove Assembly;46% Body Armor; 36% Home Appliances; 30% Headphones/Microphones/Speakers; 21% Office Furniture, Airplane Parts, Medical Supplies. See Federal Prison
        Industry website

        The individuals operating FPI at all levels, Federal, State and County, make a pretty profit from the facilities. The Prison Industrial Complex in the U.S. is a thriving industry. While the existing Camps throughout the US are known and operational, there are many more concerning facilities that appear to be set aside for FEMA camps. These locations have been sourced from various websites. Many of the locations have, on further examination, not mustered anything close to what one would consider a Concentration Camp.

        Massive Concentration Camps are already
        operational throughout the U.S.

        However, the Halliburton contract clearly allows any FIMA / Homeland Security facility or Military Base to be rapidly converted into a Concentration Camp. While the existing Camps
        throughout the US are known and operational, there are many more concerning facilities that appear to be set aside for FEMA camps. These locations have been sourced from various websites. Many of the locations have, on further examination, not mustered anything close to what one would consider a Concentration Camp. However, the Halliburton contract clearly allows any FIMA / Homeland Security facility or Military Base to be rapidly converted into a Concentration Camp.

        Concentration Camps in MICHIGAN

        Camp Grayling – Michigan Nat’l Guard base has
        several confirmed detention camps, classic setup with high fences, razor wire,etc. Guard towers are very well-built, sturdy. Multiple compounds within larger enclosures. Facility deep within forest area. Sawyer AFB – Upper Peninsula -south of Marquette – No data available. Bay City – Classic enclosure with guard towers, high fence, and close to shipping port on Saginaw Bay, which connects to Lake Huron. Could be a deportation point to overseas via St. Lawrence Seaway.
        Southwest – possibly BerrienCounty – FEMA detention center. Lansing – FEMA

        County – FEMA detention
        center. Lansing – F

        • mike

          Love your history lesson. I know you meant FEMA, didn’t you?? How many concentration camps in operation now? Name them.

          If you read the Salon article “Obama’s Gitmo Myth” won’t you agree nothing changes, just the climate?

          Having said all that you have said above, how can you trust this or any other govt.? It seems to me Obama has just about followed every one of Bush’s policies and extended some. That should really piss you off. Just remember when he had absolute control of congress he couldn’t close Gitmo.

          One last time for the low info people. Deregulation started under Clinton in 97 and 99. Derivatives started the collapse. No party is innocence, it all fell apart under Bush. Be honest for once. Business have/had been moving over seas for years because of labor. It is profit!

          I not


        • lana ward

          Bill Clinton had 3 chances to get Bin Laden, he refused. Monica and his cock was more important to him than our National Security!!

        • 165,000 Jobs Added In April!!! 🙂 Despite What Our GOP/Tea Party American Taliban Try To Destroy This Country Is P{ushing FORWARD With Or Without Them!! 🙂 And From The Way They Are Terrorizing Their Own People Don’t Be Surprise It Will Be Without Them!! They Will Go The Way Of The Dodos And The Whigs!!! LOL

        • mandinka

          who’s bright idea was to NOT take Osama when Sudan offered him up in 1998??

      • Sand_Cat

        It is you who are being selective. If one wants to keep prisoners of war, then first one should have a legal war, something that neither this spineless administration nor and even more cowardly Congress has the integrity to do. If we’re already there, as you claim, we have an obligation under US law to provide POW camps that comply with the Geneva Convention and other laws governing civilized countries. Your use of the weasel-words “enemy combatant” to attempt to obscure that obligation is as pathetic as is your invocation of the alleged evil of the enemy to justify not treating them as human beings.

        There’s also one more small flaw in your “logic,” if we may dignify it with that term: if we’re at war, then what they have done is in no way illegal unless it can be proven they violated the laws of war. The US and its allies can hardly claim killing non-combatants, including the aged and children, is a crime in a war. If it is, why didn’t Arthur Harris and Curtis LeMay go to prison, along with the national leaders who let them do it?

        Technically, the most “illegal” thing here is the US ‘s unprovoked attack on Iraq and its torture of POWs.

        • mike

          Did you read the Salon article? Dispute the article first before you give me your “holier than thou” attitude. Bring them to the states changes nothing.

          As to weasel words you are off again. Weasel words are words like :man-caused disaster, over seas contingency operations.

          Tell the victims of Boston that they were not evil, same mentality, same religion, same radical thoughts and beliefs. Still misguided but just as deadly.

          Change the subject, distract, but everything boils down to one thing the Economy. It is weak, getting weaker.

        • We should release all the GitMo prisoners, give them reparations, 40 acres & a mule & make them US citizens.
          Afterall, they haven’t killed anyone since they’ve been in GitMo, that must count for something.
          Better yet, Sand_Cat is inviting them to her home to live.

      • charleo1

        Yes, yes. You’re quite exercised about Obama’s ineptness.
        But, when Obama allows his Vice President, to lie the country
        into a completely unnecessary, 3 trillion dollar war, over WMDs
        that never existed. Then, you can get back to us on Obama.
        And, don’t write back, and say you never liked Bush either.
        Because, that would be, how did you put it? Oh yeah, pure crap.

        • mike

          What have you been drinking?? Did you mean “excited about” .Which time are you referring to when Biden lied to the American People. So Obama doesn’t look inept when both the Sec. of State, and Defense Sec. say it happened. Red Line moved, period.

          You are so pathetic. Did you read the Salon article :Obama’s Gitmo Myth” (not a right wing paper) and just want to ignore the facts or do you want to bury head up your ass again. Read it and weep.
          As to pure crap, look in the mirror.

          • charleo1

            Still the level headed Conservative, I see.
            And every bit as charming as the red faced,
            spittle spewing, low brow, dialog, the whole
            Country has become so fond of. There is no
            doubt, Saddam Hussein is developing weapons
            of mass destruction. To use on our friends, and
            allies. Or hand to a terrorist. Now, that’s a lie pally.
            And that’s all the time I’ve got for you.

          • mike

            it seem your emotion is running on overdrive, again. Quit living in the past for your talking points. Obama signed executive order in 2009 and got nowhere with it. Not one country wanted them back, or could we turn them over to their countries who would torture/kill them. But most significant, is your party did not want to bring them to US. So with a majority they(Dems) said no to Obama. Just the truth.
            Quite evident you must have read the Salon article and want to change the subject to attacking the messenger. Truth hurts doesn’t it. Obama and Holder denied the detainees access to their lawyers. Just another lie from your leader.

          • charleo1

            My emotion? You were literally apoplectic.
            Yammering on about a red line, Obama supposedly
            backed away from. Obama said there were questions
            about the possible use of chemical weapons, that he wanted answers to, And I think a President should ask plenty of
            questions, before he goes off half cocked, looking for WMDs
            that may not exist. But, what’s it to you anyway? This is the
            perfect example of what a certain group of people have
            made it one of their life’s goals, to do. Well, they don’t like
            Obama. So everyday they all find something to glom onto.
            Then, criticize, and, berate, or mock. Do you have any idea
            how many times I have talked to a belligerent Right Winger,
            like yourself? And like you, they have their daily gripe, and
            bone to pick about Obama. And if we support him, we are
            pathetic losers, ass wipes, or stupid pieces of crap.
            The first fact about Gitmo, that hasn’t dawned on you,
            is Obama inherited Gitmo. Just one, in a multitude of other
            problems that fit that description. The second fact is the
            Bush Administration screwed up the prosecution on a lot of these detainees. By not following the rules of treatment this Country signed onto. They admitted water boarding KSM some ridiculous, 70 times. Now, his testimony, given under what the Geneva Convention considers torture, is tainted. And, on the Arab street, where they recruit these kids to strap on bombs. KSM, and Gitmo, itself is a propaganda bonanza.
            And it’s tremendously expensive, and the gutless Democrats
            And, Republicans in Congress, should have listened to Obama, and came up with the funds to close the damn thing years ago. But, they didn’t. And it’s a bigger mess now,
            than ever. With more than a hundred prisoners on a hunger strike. And who among us could blame them? Eleven years have passed for some of these people we have locked up, without bringing a single charge aganist them.

          • My Friend He’s A Lying Knuckle Dragging Tea Bagging Troll Who’s Been Drinking Way Too Much Snake Venom Sold To Him By The GOP/Tea Party Snake Oil Sales Men Now He’s Just Brain Dead And Stuck On Stupid Like The Rest Of His Fellow Trolls Here!!! LOL Lying Gerrymandering, Cheating And Stealing Is The Only Way They Can Win Any Elections!! LOL

          • charleo1

            Thanks Fern. I agree!

          • Our GOP President Ray Gun Gave That Thug 500 Million Of Our Hard Earn Tax Payers Dollars Then Bush Gave Orders To Have Him Killed!! What’s Really Going On With Our American Taliban Members??? 🙁

      • The term enemy combatants coined by Alberto Gonzalez was designed to establish a new category to allow treatment of prisoners inconsistent with the international treaties that have governed modern day behavior. Not even the thugs that killed millions of Jews during the Third Reich were denied the right to trial and a defense. Should we assume the SS were neither enemies nor combatants?
        Your obssesion with Obama is showing.

        • mike

          Obsession with denying the truth about Obama is showing. Did you read the Salon article? Yes or NO!!! Did Obama and Holder deny access to the lawyers to their clients? Yes or NO!!! Simple questions if you had the guts to read the article. Salon is not a friend of the Right. Change the subject, distract when possible so you won’t betray your beliefs.

          All this is fluff to take our eyes off THE LOUSY ECONOMY. No Jobs, Obamacare, even the dems senators are running from.

        • mandinka

          No the proper treatment of combatants not in uniform is hanging

    • lana ward

      He could declare Gitmo a small business and tax it out of existance

    • We Know President Obama Signed Paper To Close This Prison Up One Day After He Won His First Term, But As Always Our GOP/Tea Party American Taliban Members in Congress Blocked Him Letting it Happen!! I Clear To See These People Really Don’t Mean This Country Any Good , They Are In Offices Just To Help Themselves And Their Handlers Like The Koch Brothers, Big Corporations , Big Oil And The 2% Wealthy!! These No Good Thugs Are Hell Bent On Destroying The Middle Class And The Poor Working People And Gutting Out America For All She’s Worth!! 🙁

      • mandinka

        Bucked HIM??? He had a VETO proof majority. Typical left wing loon c omment

        • onedumbwongs smalldingdong

          Mandinka was once onedonewong, whose trolling profile of rants was
          recently deleted. His real name is Max Ketter, a bald headed bigot in
          his 60s who couldn’t get a job in the federal workforce. Perhaps it
          had something to do with his other than honorable discharge from the U.S. Air Force?

  • exdemo55

    He doesn’t want it closed, he has nowhere to put the prisoners. He just wants you to think he wants it closed.

    • Betta

      Absolutely right! It’s just another one of the incessant LIES that emanate from between his lying lips. All ear candy. He hasn’t said what will be done with the inmates. Wait…lemme guess…wait for it…he will release them into the population and give them food stamps, medical care, a check and an obamaphone.

      • Nobody In The World Lie Like YOU And Your Lying Party!! Hell All Of You Buttholes Have Earn Master Degree In Lying And Wreaking Havoc!!

    • Sand_Cat

      Those charged with crimes can be tried in court and put in prison. Those against whom no charges can be supported should be considered for release. Evaluation should be done concerning why they were brought there in the first place. If we can treat them as prisoners of war as civilized nations do, we need to have POW camps where the Geneva Convention and other laws governing POWs are honored. If that is done at Guantanamo, fine, but the main reasons they seem to be keeping them there are the fiction that the Constitution and International Law don’t apply there, and the fact that they can keep any observers out.

      • exdemo55

        Your comments have no bearing on what I said. Obama does not want
        the base closed, he just wants you to think he does.

    • charleo1

      And you know the inner workings of the President’s mind?

    • But a lot of US don’t want it closed like the people in Boston maybe?
      Here’s the choice, either put this sick animals somewhere they cannot hurt US or kill them. Releasing them is NOT an option.

  • I like the idea of having places like GitMo. Before the Boston massacre I didn’t, but now I surely do.
    There are rules of engagement in warfare & we are at war. THEY established the rules under which we must fight & we must abide by them.
    Rule #1: There aren’t any rules.
    Rule #2: Questions? See Rule #1
    You can fight them as they are fighting you or you can pretend to fight them by not playing by their rules.
    They’re murderers, they want you dead, they want you kids dead, they want you mother, father, sister, brother dead. They want your dog dead.
    Because you are an infidel & all infidels are bad & must die. That’s it folks.
    Take them to GitMo & peel them like an onion.

  • mandinka

    Let us know first when you will start going after your Moooslim buddies. You knew months in advance about the Boston bombings but you and Holder took O action. Just like Bengazi. Sorry Barak when it comes to Moooslims no one trusts you

    • onedumbwongs smalldingdong

      Mandinka was once onedonewong, whose trolling profile of rants was
      recently deleted. His real name is Max Ketter, a bald headed bigot in
      his 60s who couldn’t get a job in the federal workforce. Perhaps it
      had something to do with his other than honorable discharge from the Air