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Wednesday, March 20, 2019

This may help explain why Obamacare remains unpopular even after HealthCare.gov has been fixed.

A new Kaiser Family Foundation poll shows that the uninsured are less informed about the law than the insured. But the biggest problem for supporters of health care reform is that the part of the law that is most unpopular — the individual mandate — is the best known. Meanwhile, far fewer people know about the benefits of the law — the ban on pre-existing conditions, tax credits and Medicaid expansion.

Screen Shot 2014-01-30 at 4.41.36 PMMisinformation continues to be rampant, with delays of parts of the law compounded by negative and confusing press coverage. People reported seeing more coverage of stories where someone was harmed by the law than helped.

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87 responses to “POLL: Obamacare’s Benefits Are Its Least Known Features”

  1. Independent1 says:

    “Misinformation continues to be rampant, with delays of parts of the law compounded by negative and confusing press coverage. People reported seeing more coverage of stories where someone was harmed by the law than helped.”

    We’re back again to the situation where ‘The Media’ is going to focus more on negatative news articles than on positive news articles. That’s one of the reasons why Americans are hearing more about someone being harmed by ACA than being helped by it – in addition of course to those aligned with the GOP being more quick to see that the press gets the negative stories than there apparently are ACA supporters being sure it hears ‘the good news’. And even then, many media outlets would probably put off running the ‘feel good’ story if they had something negative to publish instead.

    And the media focusing on the negative is even one reason why many Americans don’t know about ACA’s many positive benefits – reporters aren’t out their looking so much for ‘feel good news’ as they are lookinng for disaster-type stories which draw more listeners/viewers and sell more papers. This is a sad fact of life. If we hope to get the good news out about ACA, it’s going to take a real effort to get that message out to the American public – it’s not going to happen on its own.

    • angelsinca says:

      Many of us don’t need the news to tell us that our premiums, deductibles and co-pays went up while our coverages went down.

      Don’t worry, though. As the reality of an IRS attaching wages and confiscating property for non-compliance sets in, more will enroll. At the same time more will continue to push back against the mandates.

      They (the social changers) should have let the market steer what people want, not the law.

      • Independent1 says:

        More lies and distortions. Here’s an atricle that proves that from the middle of last year: Obamacare already forcing insurers to lower premiums. Of the 3 million who have signed up, well over 95% are finding either lower premiums for better coverage than they could have gotten before Obamacare; or their getting significantly better coverage for just a little more than they had been paying.
        Obamacare already forcing insurers to lower premiums (from May of 2013):

        http://forum.heraldtribune.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=17577&p=280947&hilit=Bronze+Health+plans+to+cost+many+nothing#p280947

          • Independent1 says:

            And the lies just keep coming from these right-wing rags!! Wow!! Are you clueless or what!! Just like the lies that the GOP spread about Obamacare right after Obama’s State of the Union – ONE LIE AFTER ANOTHER!!!!

          • angelsinca says:

            Of course, as the Kos only reports the truth without bias. Got it See my point yet? Probably not. You’re too busy throwing rocks.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            If the rock throwing offends you, move to a more suitable neighborhood. . . .

            Elementary common sense escapes you, . . . as always.

          • angelsinca says:

            “Elementary common sense escapes you, . . . as always”.

            Not really. The ability to accept alternative possibilities eludes you my friend, but I won’t ridicule you personally for having that distinction.

            Escaping meanness is the reason most cited by liberals for leaving the Left for calmer waters.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I know many, many liberals, and I have never seen a real one go for “calmer waters.” Being liberal and doing what is decent, fair, and right will bring someone to calmer waters. You offer only turmoil and evil.

            Let’s parse what you said:

            “Elementary common sense escapes you, . . . as always”. I will say it to you again, elementary common sense escapes you, as always.

            “Not really. The ability to accept alternative possibilities eludes you my
            friend, but I won’t ridicule you personally for having that distinction.” WOW, if lies were painful, you would have died from a massage surge of pain.

            “Escaping meanness is the reason most cited by liberals for leaving the Left for calmer waters.”
            Someone that leaves the Left is not a liberal anyway. Just another crypto-winger masquerading as a reasonable person for the temporary advantage it gives. If a person has common decency, they know that being progressive is the correct path. That will never change.

          • angelsinca says:

            I really feel for your position regarding the ppACA, especially when even the Senate Minority Leader admits, “…this placed an undue burden on everyone else, so our solution was to place an undue burden on everyone else”. N. Pelosi. At least the GOP is working on fixes (or possible repeal), whilst the rest is scrambling to plug the leaks in the healthcare dike with water-soaked duct tape and proclaiming, ‘leave it alone…everything is alright!’.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            The Senate Minority Leader is a total, lying, scheming dirt-bag. If he admits anything, it would be remarkable, but nonetheless probably untrue.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Poorly, amateurishly written propaganda article with an obvious ACA bashing agenda. Of course, your article is in the same vane as all the “news” we see on FAUX. Fake.

        • angelsinca says:

          Those 3 million were mostly already covered under medicare before the ppACA. OF COURSE they will see lower (or no)premiums. What about the other 250 million that haven’t signed up, that can’t afford to sign up, that have lost their jobs from employers forced to layoff or close because of Obamacare?

      • Russell Byrd says:

        LIAR, LIAR, but of course, that is nothing new. . . .

      • Russell Byrd says:

        So if independent, Lynda, Russell, and angelstink were in a pool together, and the public, that being us, wanted angelstink to be denies healthcare, i.e. steer the markets to what we want, then it would be totally fair to have you denied coverage.

        Sounds quite fair to me, that is, if I was a creep like angelstink it would.

  2. Lynda Groom says:

    I find it astounding that most folks still don’t understand the basics of the new health care insurance law. I guess that reading has gone out of fashion for far too many of our fellow citizens. Perhaps they should shut off the tube, the radio and get a library card.

    • angelsinca says:

      Reasonable consumers can’t be expected to digest the ACA in its entirety, even with a library card. The president doesn’t even seem to realize all of its nuances.

      The unexpected cost, the confusion, the poor implementation, and the unpopularity are all just ‘misinformation’ and intentional propaganda hby the right to derail the effort? Seems a lot more like the wrong approach was taken.

      Corrective legislation should have been made to target the specific problems of pre-existing conditions, lifetime maximums, tort reform and interstate barriers.

      • Russell Byrd says:

        Have you ever read the ACA. I am sure you haven’t, so your comments are unintelligent, lacking in truth, and are prejudicial. We have asked you before for YOUR plan. We have never seen anything more than a claim that you could do better. As for cost, you do not know what it will cost. The only people complaining have been almost entirely exposed as liars.

        Why don’t you wait and see if it fails. Then you can claim to be right and will certainly win the next elections. The tragedy is, you are crapping your pants because you know that once the ACA is implemented, only racist retards, like yourself, will want to go back.

        By the way, who paid for that heart trouble you had? Hmm! If you did not have insurance, then people like me paid for it. I would have just let you die if I had a choice. There are people more deserving of care that are not getting any.

        • angelsinca says:

          Russell Byrd wrote: …I would have just let you die if I had a choice.

          Nice. You are indeed a complete waste of humanity. Your avenues of salvation continue to narrow with every comment you make like this. And you mock conservatives for being concerned about ‘death panels’? Yes, we should be concerned, deeply concerned.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Strangely, after all the lies you have told, especially after I exposed them, that you would pick that sentence out.

            You EARNED that remark. Why? Because in your view your life is the only one that matters.
            Because you would unashamedly allow other people to die. In fact, you would enjoy it. Because you are a low functioning sociopath that cares nothing about other people.

            I have nothing to be ashamed of, nor did I actually mention a method to rid the world of your filth. However, please do have that big heart attack and get yourself on your way to hell. I hate no one here except you.

            As for your conservatard point of view. You have expressed that thousands of very unwelcome times to just about everyone in this blog. It is based on misinformation and out-right lies, but you feel you must force it upon us.

            Your post is so pathetic it is funny. There are no death panels, therefore you lie. Conservatards will let people die in the street if they are given a chance. That’s truth, and that makes you evil. So, I think it is your soul that is endangered. I do not think God will care about your lies. Your double talk motor mouth verbal diarrhea will not be listened to. He will deal with you based on what you believe in your heart. And that heart is a very dark place indeed.

          • angelsinca says:

            Russell Byrd, you are completely nuts in a train wreck kind of way. I had hoped to point out that wall you keep crashing into, but you seem to enjoy the bloody chaos. I have wasted too much of my life hammering the keyboard in your direction. Yet I am compelled to rubberneck every stupid remark and bigoted lie you spew until your DOS battery goes utterly empty. Just like that vacant noggin of yours.

            Sorry, you won’t chase me off with your threats and false accusations. The longer I stay, the more of your truly disgusting self is revealed to the world. You’ll just have to endure the presence of this conservative republican as though the internet is a public forum wide open to the free exchange of different views.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Actually, you have been crashing into that wall you speak of for years, and have never had any success at all. All you have ever done is run.

            As for wasting your time? Have you ever really read any of my posts? I have been far, far too honest with you, while all you have done is lie, lie, lie. [Good recipe for burning in hell.] I have told you repeatedly exactly what I am doing and why.

            As for enduring you much longer, I think not. You convict yourself it seems, because you are not disseminating different views, but just interjecting nonsense in order to disrupt legitimate discussion. You are a troll by definition. There is no reason to allow you to remain.

            Oddly, you are the only one whining about being abused personally. I NEVER have. I have adopted the very Christian view of disrupting your attempts at harming others. While you only whine about how badly you are being treated.

            So, scumbag, “you’ll just have to endure the presence of this” progressive troll baiter “as though the internet is a public forum wide open to the free exchange of different views,” FOREVER!

          • angelsinca says:

            Russell Byrd, you are completely nuts in a train wreck kind of way. I had hoped to point out that wall you keep crashing into, but you seem to enjoy the bloody chaos. I have wasted too much of my life hammering the keyboard in your direction. Yet I am compelled to rubberneck every stupid remark and bigoted lie you spew until your DOS battery goes utterly empty. Just like that vacant noggin of yours.

            Sorry, you won’t chase me off with your threats and false accusations. The longer I stay, the more of your truly disgusting self is revealed to the world. You’ll just have to endure the presence of this conservative republican as though the internet is a public forum wide open to the free exchange of different views.

          • angelsinca says:

            MODERATOR ASSISTANCE REQUIRED

            Russell Byrd, I have to take notice when unstable people hope for my early death. And, since you repeat the morbid desire with, “…please do have that big heart attack and get yourself on your way to hell.”, I am compelled to refer you to those responsible to moderate this board and to Homeland Security, who are better able to recognize and deal with your threats. Further harassment by you will be considered a threat to the safety of myself and my family.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            MODERATOR ASSISTANCE REQUIRED!!!

            Absolutely! I have flagged your comment with just that in mind.

            As for instability, only a complete wackjob would enjoy wasting his entire life trying to disrupt the legitimate conversations and rights of people that disagree with him. AND do it in their own blog. This is not a joke. This is a serious matter.

            You have been threatening me with action for years now. As well, you have been threatening me personally. Just like your blurb about an unemployed person doing me harm after you so kindly rat me out. Of course, as I said, you would be the one harmed as everyone sees right through your evil insincerity.

            Please do have that big heart attack. Have you ever thought that maybe God was warning you away from your evil ways? That heart attack will be between Him and you. Not I. Though it would make life here so much more pleasant. So I must hope for it. And please do call Homeland Security and waste their valuable time.

            Oddly, you are the only one whining about being abused personally. I NEVER have. I have only adopted the very Christian view of disrupting your
            attempts at harming others. While you only whine about how badly you are being treated.

            So, scumbag, “you’ll just have to endure the
            presence of this” progressive troll baiter “as though the internet is a public forum wide open to the free exchange of different views,” FOREVER!

            And thanks for the quotes. They work so much better for me than you.

        • chas1356 says:

          Russel …I’ve read several of your comments, and you seem to like calling people ‘retards’. Does not the Liberal ideology demand that its followers never, ever use the word ‘retard’, and instead use the phrase ‘mentally challenged’. Thanks.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            If you please. I would not want to disappoint you. So you are agreeing you are “mentally challenged.” Works for me. Thanks!

            The difference is, your mob is usually more PC than the liberals. The problem lies in implementation. I want freedom, fairness, and justice for all. PC to you is just to look like you are innocent when you run your program of hate on everyone you see as inferior.

            But, if it makes you all warm and fuzzy.

  3. charles king says:

    Settle down People, Obama care is on your side, What? have we been talking about on Mr. King’s (comments) do some (Critical Thinking)Why? do you think there is so much confusion, think about it and then How? to solve the problem, relax and use some common sense and I am sure you will find the right solution. Critical Thinking is part of the Strategic Management that The President’s Adminstration is using to put this Country back together again, have (No Fear) the country is on the right track NOW, and Obamacare WORKS!, ask any U. S. Veteran, I rest my case. Thank You are the magic words with me. I Love Ya All. Check-out Plutocracy VS Democracy. Mr. C. E. KING

    • angelsinca says:

      OK you win the award for the worst use of punctuation. But, your message is clear, if not mostly avoiding the truth of the matter. Whatever this administration needs to “‘put the country back together again” is a direct result of its own divisive messages that dismantled it.

      • Independent1 says:

        And dismatled it??? And just exactly how did they do that??? You haven’t got a clue!! Only a negative message!!! Why don’t you go post on Yahoo News where you’ll find a lot more right wing idiots such as yourself that believe all the Faux News and GOP LIES!!!

        • angelsinca says:

          Nice tantrum. A simple down vote makes you look less like a cry baby. Yes, the healthcare system has been dismantled by your guy. Same goes for taking responsibility for one’s own actions (without blaming predecessors & others). Enjoy the game

          • Russell Byrd says:

            So a healthcare system that only serves 80% of the population and gets more expensive every year, at four times [+] the rate of inflation, is working? How easy it is to dispose of your nonsensical arguments that are just based on continued stupidity, lie, bullying, and disruption.

            The only thing you have going for you is a psychotic need to drown out the opposition with a posting barrage.

      • Russell Byrd says:

        The only vermin making divisive messages here are those of your disgusting ilk.

      • Russell Byrd says:

        I think you seriously misunderstood Mr. King’s intent. Well, how is it in mental midget land, anyway?

  4. SeekingOut says:

    Communication, getting out the facts/truth, getting ahead of the publicity, countering misinformation, etc., etc. has been recognized as a short-coming of this administration since the very first year of its incumbency. To continue to hear this as a problem is extremely frustrating.

    I maintain that HHS could do a heck of a lot more to properly and adequately disseminate the necessary information to the public.

    • Faraday_Cat says:

      To be fair, anyone would have a hard time countering the misinformation pushed by the right…it’s like trying to stop a tsunami with a sandbar…they just throw more money at it than we ever will feel justified in doing.

    • Independent1 says:

      Exactly how would you suggest that the administration get this information out? Sending out mail wouldn’t help much – most people would simply trash it as junk mail. The White House itself is on TV constantly with briefings which the majority of people don’t listen to.

      The one thing I think might help would be if more Democrats became more pro-active in getting themselves on national programs to counter some of the Republicans negative press from all their crazies that are constantly being interviewed because of guess what – what they say is crazy and therefore deemed newsworthy. I’ve read some articles which claim that the media often refuses to publish news items that are too ‘feel good’ because it’s negatives like scandals, disasters, someone losing their insurance etc. that brings in listeners/viewers/sells papers.

      And even if Kathleen Sebelious had information that she could send out, where would she get the addresses of people who currently don’t have insurance and earn the right amount of money to make them eligible for ACA?? Remember, it’s only about 15% of the population that is impacted by Obamacare.

      • angelsinca says:

        People have mostly tuned out the rhetoric from this administration. They mistrust it to tell the truth. More people trust Sponge Bob.

        That people say they’ve seen more harmful than helpful stories about obamacare recently could simply be because there are more harmful stories to report than helpful ones.

        I prefer ‘happy’ reports too, not doom and gloom. But I prefer the truth over a contrived reality from political rhetoric.

        • Independent1 says:

          They mistrust it to tell the truth?? I guess that’s why Obama’s favorability has increased the past month or so to almost 50%; significantly higher than either Reagan’s or the two Bushes at this point in their presidencies.

          And if you’re talking about ‘trust’, the GOP will even broadcast blatant lies in their rebuttal to Obama’s State of the Union address. That meally mouth woman who spewed one lie and distortion after another in her rebuttal to Obama actually had the gall to lie about someone who had supposedly been ‘harmed’ by Obamacare – claiming she lost her policy (which turned out to be her paying almost $1,000/month for a scam policy that basically covered nothing) and who had refused to even use the healthcare exchanges when trying to find a policy so she came up trying to compare the equivalent of GOLD Obamacare policy to a worthless piece of paper. Here’s the crux of the research on that (the GOP loves to lie and distort just about as much as you do:

          http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/30/1273347/-Where-is-Cathy-McMorris-Rodgers-ObamaCare-victim-Bette-in-Spokane-UPDATE-X3-Bette-SPEAKS?detail=email

          • angelsinca says:

            Was actually talking about trust issues toward the Obama (you-can-keep-your-healthcare) administration as a cause for reluctance to accept the ACA, not as a baseline for comparison to post-sotu GOP talking heads. Even still, just because ‘they’ spew crap doesn’t make the Obama administration’s exaggerated promises any more palpable.

          • Independent1 says:

            Problem is, Obama didn’t lie- it was the insurance companies who didn’t keep up their end of the bargain. Obamacare grandfathered in virtually all the policies that the insurance industry deliberately tried to make it look like they were being cancelled because of Obamacare – and in the majority that was not the case. The insurance sector was using Obamacare as a ruse to let them get out from under millions of policies that were either scams or were risks the insurance companies no longer wanted to take. See this article on the ‘Revenge of the insurance industry’.

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/10/1253969/-The-revenge-of-the-insurance-industry?detail=email

          • Independent1 says:

            And here’s another little gem for you that’s about: “The Republicans repeal conundrum gets more complicated by the day” Guess why?? Because insurance companies are saying that the ACA enrollments are exceeding their expectations. America’s largest insurer Wellpoint is projecting that by itself, it may sign up One Million new insureds this year.

            From the article:

            Health insurance enrollments are moving along swimmingly, says Wellpoint, the parent company of Blue Cross and Blue Shield, with plans sold all over the country. In fact, they say, they are well ahead of expectations and think they’ll get a million new enrollments this year.

            “We are encouraged by the sizable growth opportunities,” said Wellpoint chief executive Joe Swedish in an hour-long conference call with Wall Street analysts and investors. Although it’s early in analyzing the data from new applications for coverage, Wellpoint executives said “80 percent were not previously insured by Wellpoint,” executives said on the call this morning.

            And the enrollments are coming along ‘swimmingly’ even before the main rush will take place during the latter part of February and March – when millions of Americans sign up to beat the sign-up deadline of 3/31.

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/29/1273440/-Republican-repeal-conundrum-gets-more-complicated-by-the-nbsp-day?detail=email

          • Independent1 says:

            Sorry, I’m not even going to waste my time reading t hat right-wing rag. Obama is the smallest spending president since Eisenhower with an average 1.4%/yr budget increase percent compared to Reagan and Bush 2 who both averaged 8%/yr and even Bush Sr averaged 5.6%/yr. And he’s also cut deficit spending more than in half in 4 years from the 1.9 trillion deficit spending in Bush 2s last budget to under 680 billion for 2012-13; and you’re trying to feed me the BS than he has a cost control problem Aha! Aha! Aha! Only a complete idiot would believe that BS!!!!!!!

          • angelsinca says:

            The $17T dollar debt must be a lie, along with the $500B annual deficit. Maybe you didn’t run the numbers on Obama’s grandiose spending schemes proposed at the SOTU that will drive that debt up to $20T by the end of his reign. Or maybe you are running out of valid excuses.

          • Independent1 says:

            The 17T in debt’s no lie – more than 90% of it belongs to Reagan and the two Bushes, with Nixon in his second term thrown in. Obama is responsible for less than 1 trillion – remember – he’s been the smallest spender since Eisenhower – reducing spending as quickly as was feasiblke given the fragile nature of the disastrous economy Bush 2 passed him. So trying to blame him for the current debt is just you showing more of your cluelessness.

            And if our debt does get to 20T – it will be GOP obstructionism that’s responsible for that. The only way to get deficits down is by creating jobs – and they’ve been sitting on two of Obama’s jobs bills for almost 3 years – jobs bills the CBO said would have created 4.5-6 million jobs. America’s problem today IS NOT spending – it’s LOSS OF TAX REVENUES!!

            Even the CBO states that – and the CBO’s analysis of our current debts say Bushie boy is responsible for the vast majority of it because of his drunken sailor spending and the unwarranted tax cuts he signed into law which are good bit of the reason for that 500 Billion in current deficits you mentioned – the Bush tax cuts on those earning under 400,000 that the Republicans wouldn’t hear about repealing!! Sorry but Obama is not to blame for any of the mess Bush created.

          • angelsinca says:

            Your trying to blame precedents on the CURRENT massive debt shows your lack of willingness to accept Obama’s inability to deal with it. Our middle class spending power has evaporated while our direct and indirect taxation has only gone up under Obama. The sooner you folks stop making excuses, stop blaming, and be responsible, the sooner the country can heal itself. Based on the current trends though, we are all screwed, from the left inward. Please wake up.

          • Independent1 says:

            And with those comments you display more of your cluelessness. The deterioration in the middleclass buying power started with the worst American president ever – Ronald Reagan. Ronnie boy summarily fired the Air Traffic Controllers after negotiating with them in what they thought was good faith; demonstrating to every CEO and entrepreneur in America, that if the president doesn’t see it necessary to negotiate with workers in good faith- why should we.

            That’s what started the decline of the middleclass. That’s when companies started focusing not on the long held principle of ‘you do a good job for me and I’ll do right by you” to “the hell with the workers, what’s important is the bottom line and what that means to our investors’.

            Ronnie baby destroyed the fabric of America!! A union hater from way back who also installed two union haters at the NLRB. He also gave himself and his cronies the biggest tax cuts America had ever seen when he virtually cut the 70% max tax rate more than in half to 28% at one point – which is what started the massive escalation of America’s debt – exascerbated by Bush 2 with his nonsensical tax cuts.

            You’re the one that better wake up – it’s the GOP that’s been the most detrimental to getting America’s economy reved up again – with their obstruction of virtually everything Obama has attempted to do. Why do you think McConnell used the filibuster more than 420 times over the past 4 years to prevent any legislation from getting passed the obsructioist GOP didn’t want to se. AND YOU’RE BLAMING OBAMA!!!

          • angelsinca says:

            BS. The air traffic controllers placed the public safety at risk. Eventuially, we will have a president again that at least appears to know what he/she is doing. This WH occupier has you fooled and has played you as a fool, repeatedly. Good riddance.

          • Independent1 says:

            Really? Has me fooled??
            Yeah! I guess governing in such a way that there have been over 48 straight months of jobs growth with more jobs created in 4 years than Bush created in 8, really has me fooled!
            I guess the fact that Obama has reduced deficit spending faster than any president since Truman right after WWII, is just one more of his charades!
            And I guess the fact that his auto industry bailout and Stimulus saved America from the GOP’s 2nd created world-wide depression was just an illusion!!
            And the fact that he followed through on his promise to get us out of Iraq quickly and has wound down the Afghan war was just some sort of diversion!!
            And I guess so was the fact that his administration has deported more troublesome illegal aliens than any other president!!
            And that he took it upon himself to rework the college loan process despite the GOP’s obstruction so that more HS grads have been able to afford college!!
            And is the fact that the U.S. is producing more energy and may overtake Russia soon as the world’s largest producer of gas and Oil just another illusion??
            I could go on with this for 15 or 20 more accomplishments but me thinks it’s clueless you that’s being fooled!!!!

          • angelsinca says:

            How many are out of work now? You more more HS grads are beholden to the gov’t with massive debt. Never mind the record lowlevels of HS actually graduating.

          • angelsinca says:

            Here’s more ACA ‘success’ story for the clueless:

            Employees in Pennsylvania Company Learn of Increased Health Costs Due to Obamacare
            http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/watch-employees-pennsylvania-company-learn-increased-health-costs-due-obamacare_775944.html

          • Independent1 says:

            Oh Yes! And it wasn’t the Air Traffic Controllers who put the public at risk – IT WAS REAGAN!! His firing every air traffic controller meant that supervisors had to work long overtime hours for well over six months trying to train new controllers.
            Reagan was phenominally fortunate that there weren’t several major air disasters during that time as dead tired supervisors who were working significant overtime hours training new controllers didn’t make a mistake when they were half awake.

            But he created a disaster later when he ordered Marines into Lebanon and then insisted that they couldn’t carry loaded weapons; which allowed terroists to break into their compounded and blow up a truck right next to their barracks killing 241 Marines as they slept. His fiasco pales Benghazi and there was no congressional committee holding scandalized meetings asking why did this happen???

          • angelsinca says:

            If you have no sound defense for the now, you start ripping into three decades past. They got fired because they REFUSED TO WORK. Entitled mentalities lost the bluff while the union steered them right off the cliff.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            NO! Ronnie Raygun placed the public safety at risk. Refusal to fill vacant positions causing forced overtime led to a shell shocked workforce that was not adequately coping with ensuring passenger safety.

            This was a breathtaking criminal act by your hero in order to break down the union. Raygun could not have cared less about passenger safety. He just spun that as an excuse.

          • angelsinca says:

            old post. ignore.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Maybe so, but it is still the truth. Your argument, i.e. lies, was destroyed 30 years before you ever posted here.

            So who’s post is “old”?

          • angelsinca says:

            No responsibility for the debt or the ACA debacle or the staggering long term unemployed or increased poverty or explosive food stamp and entitlement growth or growing debt or chrisitan slaughters in Syria or nukes at the ready in Iran. We have homeless on every corner here. Good to see things going so well for your people in fantasy land.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Off topic to conversation! You, as always, are just trying to bury the conversation in meaningless drivel in order to drown out legitimate discussion.

          • angelsinca says:

            White House Caught in Another Massive ObamaCare Lie….This Time About Enrollments (we can play this game until the the country goes bankrupt and millions die waiting for care).
            http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/01/07/4_million_medicaid_enrollees_under_obamacare_121146.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+realclearpolitics/kPmC+(RCP+Commentary)

          • Independent1 says:

            When are you going to stop reading these right-wing rags that are lying to you??? Get a life!!!

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Right wing lies are of no value as evidence of anything.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Spin, spin, spin. How sad it must be to be so desperately stupid.

          • angelsinca says:

            “desperately stupid”. You should trademark that, you use it so often. Fresher material would suit you well. The audience would probably stop moaning as much.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I have a penchant for telling the truth. There is absolutely no reason to get “fresher material” to fight a totally redundant and shopworn scumbag like you.

            Do you think I am impressed by all your constant lies? You feed me my material by doing so. All I have to do is reply ON TOPIC to the nonsense you post. That is easy!

            For instance, the “audience” is not moaning at all. Observable lie. The audience in all truth would stomp you into the ground if they could get there hands on you. I am not angering anyone except filth like you. AND, by definiton, you are not part of the “audience,” but rather just a lying, disruptive, TROLL.

          • angelsinca says:

            yawn

        • Russell Byrd says:

          Maybe, but most Americans trust and listen to the Pubs like they would Adolf Hitler. Get real, get out of mom’s basement and find out what people really think. I bet you are too fat now to get through that door, so you “have” to listen to FAUX.

          • angelsinca says:

            LOL. Wrong on every attempt at insult, as usual. Not even a good try. Eat the icee too fast again?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Nonsensical reply. I merely told the truth. If you are insulted, then that is your emotional disturbance.

            Right now, even Pubs hate their own party. They are mindlessly dedicated to vote for it anyway, because of ingrained stupidity and bigotry. Really, Pub popularity is still hovering near single digits. You can’t hide that truth no matter how much racist spiel you try to spread.

            The only divisive person here is you!

          • angelsinca says:

            Take it up with the Republican Party. They will surely take your words seriously. Just kidding.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I am not kidding. So take it up with your conscience. Oops, you do not have one!

    • Independent1 says:

      By the way, here’s the link to an article you may find of interest. Despite the lack of information, Obamacare enrollments are moving along and actually exceeding expectations. This article says that around 13 million now have coverage:

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/26/1272721/-ACA-Signups-The-Graph-updated-w-sub26ers-SHOP-enrollees

      • SeekingOut says:

        Yep, thanks. I had read this previously. But, at the risk of being monotonous, this is my point. The Administration has to find a way to get this message out.

  5. Todd Nelson says:

    Saying healthcare.gov has been fixed is a flat out lie. There is no way anyone who doesn’t want their identity stolen should put their information on that website. I am not a professional hacker, but I can get any information I want in less than 5 minutes, that includes your ss#, your address, even how much money you make off the website. This site is 100% unprotected. If you think the Target, Yahoo, and Neiman Marcus hackings were bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Those sites have some of the best protection available andhealthcare.gov has none. Also, the “back end” of the website, where the site communicates with insurance companies, the IRS, and other government agencies hasn’t even been finished. once that is done, hackers will then have a back door into the government agencies’ information.

    • Russell Byrd says:

      What a breathtaking liar. . . .

      That seems to go hand in hand with more reading and reasoning skills. Of course, this is about promoting a sick agenda and making the President fail. Not about telling the truth.

      • angelsinca says:

        Sadly, the focus has always been about the success or failure of the president. The actual concerns are about the effects on the country, no the ego.

        • Russell Byrd says:

          A simple interpretation would be that trying to cause the nation to fail, because in your hate and racism, you must make the President fail, is treason. You should be appropriately punished.

          The only runaway ego in these conversations is YOURS. It causes you to carpet bomb post when you are totally wrong. Truth means nothing to you.

          If anyone’s salvation is in question it is obviously yours. You do nothing but disrupt, lie, and bully. There is no salvation to be had for such a person, especially for a hypocritical liar like you.

          So, fire away, as I have said many times, you are recruiting for us. Thanks again.

          • angelsinca says:

            Gee, it took about a dozen of your off color inappropriate rapid fire posts for the RACIAL CARD to be pulled. So boring.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Spin, spin, spin. Your entire mantra is based on racism. Your hand is full of race cards.

            Anyway, as always, you show your reading comprehension to be sadly lacking.

            Nothing new!

          • angelsinca says:

            You have really have no clue. Allow me to help you with your ignorance. I married outside my own race, vacuous one. That Cheerios commercial must have really ignited your own racist tendencies.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Just because you have the hots for someone does not mean you do not hate all the rest of their race.
            As most Pubs are these days, you are all trained to tolerate one or two of the inferior races, you just don’t want them concentrated around you.

            The fact that you mentioned the Cheerios commercial PROVES my point. I saw nothing wrong at all. Only a racist would have made it a talking point.

            Next, is your spouse male or female. I only care because of your previous gender bending. I really don’t care if you are same sex or not. I only care that you cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

            Finally, as a proven liar, why should I believe any of your rot. You lie routinely, so you will have to provide conclusive proof.

            In the final analysis, I do not care anyway. You are an abusive troll, dead set on disrupting this group. This entire conversation is really at your pleasure. You can stop the sass and leave forever and these conversations will end.

          • angelsinca says:

            Russell Byrd you haven’t proven anything, except that you have an unhealthy need to create racism where there is none, and to claim lies where there are none. You represent everything that has been hurtful to America for the past two centuries; hate, ignorance, mistruth, arrogance and oppression. The only thing you achieve is the waste of everyone’s time. You disrespect us all. Go away.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I will never go away. I will next week report you to Memo and MJ corporate HQ. Forget the moderator. As for wasting everone’s time, only YOU are complaining. Which is as I intend! As all you filthy scumbags, you forget we have exactly the same rights that you do.

            By the way, for a person that claims not to lie, you just told a whole passel of lies. I disrespect no one, except filthy trolls like you. You “have an unhealthy need to create racism” and you employ “hate, ignorance, mistruth, arrogance and oppression” to accomplish your goals of keeping a minority in power and stopping the advance of freedom for anyone that you despise or disagree with.

            You are the one that is disrespectful. Like your lies about me running posters off. I have seen too many good posters give up because of you trolls. Which is as you intend. That should be enough to get Memo, etc. to ban you.

            I am going to propose that they give us the ability to block trolls ourselves. Then I, and every other poster that you harass, would never have to see another of your posts. You could post all you want, but no one would ever have to see it.

          • chas1356 says:

            Hello Angels …. Russell is the type of rabid Liberal who will never consider or contemplate opinions from others that are not totally aligned with Liberal ideology as written by the DNC.

            He doesn’t have the capacity to engage in thoughtful dialogue with opposing people because he is too invested in social/progressive dogma. I’ve had a few exchanges with him, and in each one he referred to me as a “retard”. Can you imagine a committed Liberal calling someone a “retard”. He could get picked up by agents of the Social/Progressive Police Enforcement Committee and hurried off to a 5 year term in a Social/Progressive Re-Education Camp for heresy.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            What you are basically saying is I was totally right all along. You are just a crazy-train right-wing Teaturd troll here to disrupt the group. Just like your scum buddy “angel.” Everything you have claimed is confirmed as a LIE right out of your own mouth. You are not anti-Koch at all. In fact, you are a banner carrier for the forces set on destroying our Democracy.

            Tell me, how can building a better world be wrong? I realize the lies you will tell.

            As far as the mentally challenged bit. I would never call someone that had a handicap a “retard.” I only use that as an pejorative term for filth like you.

            If that is your only talking point, you are more morally bankrupt and mentally challenged than I realized.

            Of course, with your PC training. You would call a disadvantaged person “mentally challenged,” right as you are shipping them off the be euthanized. That is the difference between us. I want justice and freedom for all. Not just old white men that can buy it.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            By the way, go ahead and follow me on Disqus. Unlike you and angel, I only troll trolls. So, you are just leading me to the next poor blog that you are abusing with your bigotry, bullying, lies, and nonsense.

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