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Tuesday, September 27, 2016

WASHINGTON — The strangest aspect of Wednesday night’s debate was Mitt Romney’s decision to change his tax policies on the fly. Having campaigned hard on a tax proposal that called for $5 trillion in tax cuts, he said flatly that he was not offering a $5 trillion tax cut.

“I don’t have a tax cut of the scale that you’re talking about,” Romney said, even though that is exactly the tax cut he has proposed.

Was Romney for his tax plan before he was against it?

Romney’s willingness to remake himself one more time brought into sharp relief a central flaw of his candidacy: Having campaigned as a moderate when he ran for governor of Massachusetts, he veered sharply to the right to win the Republican presidential nomination. Now, with the election just weeks away and polls showing him falling behind in the swing states, he has decided that he needs once again to sound moderate, practical and terribly concerned about the middle class — and that is the person he sought to be in Denver.

The candidate who has repeatedly attacked regulations was quick to insist: “Regulation is essential. … You have to have regulations so that you can have an economy work.” Romney then reiterated his criticism of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform legislation. But this scourge of big government during the primaries took care to let everyone know that he was not about to turn the United States into an Ayn Rand utopia.

Having hidden his Massachusetts health care plan behind “Repeal Obamacare” rhetoric in the primaries, Romney warmly embraced his own plan — without explaining why repealing a national health care system modeled on his plan would in any way be consistent with his sloganeering against the president’s central achievement.

Romney certainly proved his ferocity in Denver, drawing on the persona that had dispatched Newt Gingrich during the primaries. He relentlessly attacked President Obama on the economy, the budget deficit, health care and just about anything else the president has touched. Romney repeatedly used the word “crushed” to describe the impact of the president’s policies on Americans’ well-being.

“We know that the path we’re taking is not working,” Romney said late in the debate. “It’s time for a new path.”

In the early going, Obama seemed reluctant to go on offense and backed away from several opportunities to engage Romney. The president appeared far more interested in explaining than attacking, more concerned with scoring policy points than raising larger questions about his opponent’s approach. The words “47 percent” did not come up.

  • bcarreiro

    he left massachusetts in debt ….one of the highest in the nation. It only takes one person (obama) to screw in a lightbulb and 99 (republicans)others to take it out.

  • sisterH

    Romeny was great. Obama didn’t have his teleprompter or media spin to carry him. Those of us who opened our eyes a few years back weren’t surprised about Obama’s poor performance. I feel bad for all the Dems who can no longer participate in the distorted “group think” of the left.

    • bcarreiro

      oh brother ……..mitt had his headphone plugged in @ tea party express in china!! JOBS ARE HERE just have to take it back from congressional blockers.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Romney displayed a complete personality shift. He exposed himself to be a liar.
      Yes he was great….a great liar.

      SisterH and your sympathizers will be very sorry that you have participated in the “group think” of the right wing lying propagandist fascists.

  • I suspect that Obama is letting Romney hang himself.

    Why shouldn’t he? Mitt’s been doing a fine job of it.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Obama is a keen observer of basketball and boxing strategy thoughout his political career.

      Feels like the famous Ali “rope-a-dope” coming on.
      Romney’s team will take that bait for sure.

      In basketball, its called a “head fake” to make your opponent think you are going one way, and in fact “fake out” the opponent that has let his or her guard down.

      You then score the point.

      In this case…Obama will be re-elected president.

      • The only fly in the ointment is that Mittens doesn’t abide by the rules; he’s quick to point out the rules for his opponents, but like most ass clowns, he doesn’t think “those” rules should apply to him, that he is above all that, that anyone having the temerity to challenge his word should be escorted away. His arrogance, his smarmy display, his country club outlook — too little, too late, fuck him.

    • sigrid28

      Look at the debate from this angle: with the sound muted. Romney looks wild-eyed and therefore desperate, waving his hands and pointing at the moderator, gesturing in a used-car salesman-like way, with too much head nodding and cocking–the nonverbal signals of a person lying and thinking no one will catch him at it, lying to people he thinks of as chumps, his audience, the American people. It was the nonverbal equivalent of the crazy stuff he said overseas or his “shoot first, then aim” comments about the U.S. tragedy in Lybia. Who would want this charlatan with a fake tan and fake hair presiding over a solemn ceremony bringing our war dead home to rest?

      By contrast, the president’s nonverbal messaging was deferential to Mitt Romney and the moderator; workmanlike while taking notes (another nonverbal sign of respect); calm as the president stationed himself at his podium and stayed there, a look of serious listening or a smile on his face (maybe a knowing smile now and then); no make-up or hair dye; no waving hands or pointing, just rather small gestures punctuating his ideas, his hands not far from the top of the podium; and conservative eye contact, looking straight into the camera while giving points meant for the entire audience watching the debate on TV. Nonverbally, this was the disciplined performance of the kind of deliberate statesman he has always shown himself to be, someone who has never embarrassed us on the most austere occasions, yet might sit down with us for a beer.

      In the nonverbal arena, President Obama wins with all but those in the rabid Republican base who wanted Mitt Romney to mimic their behavior. Remember that for some seniors and other voters who speak a second language–or who are confused by terms like Simpson-Bowles and Dodd-Frank–the nonverbals may carry more weight than the verbal content of the debate. And there is another consolation in this point of view. Those for whom Mitt Romney did not look trustworthy during the debate, will have their doubts about him confirmed once the fact checkers are done with him during the next few days.

      • Beautifully articulated….I had the sound up, and didn’t miss a beat regarding Romney’s elaborate lies and obnoxious demeanor….

      • MIssileShot

        Looking back on your comments from the perspective of October 12th, it’s obvious that your take on the first presidential debate was pure genius. The Gallup poll found that Obama won the debate by a margin of 72 to 20. What a wipeout. The actual voting will be such an anti-climax. Obama’s re-election is a forgone conclusion.

        Uh …one second … um, a communique just handed me by a cringing underling shows that …. apparently I misspoke!! What Gallup actually said was that ROMNEY won the debate by a margin of 72 to 20. Yeeeshh! Fox three.

        Geez, that makes you look like a bit of a preening, self-congratulatory fool. Soooooo, now I guess you and Ed Shultz can go back to huffing silver spray paint from paper bags down in your mothers’ basements.

        • sigrid28

          What now? The results of the Biden-Ryan debate were not to your liking so you and the Fox News contingent want to go back to re-litigating this one? That’s just pitiful.

  • elw

    The bottom line is Romney did play to his base last night, but there are not enough if them to win him the Presidency. Most people will not miss the shift in policies or the proven lies he repeated over and over again. Nor will anyone miss his agressive behavior, last night, except of course his base who will think it was great. I have no doubt there are political ads in production right now to point it all out. It will be interesting to watch how perception changes as people get to see it over and over again.

  • Which way was the wind blowing last night? It was interesting to see Romney run from his own positions again and again. He loves Obamacare, or at least parts of it. He loves teachers, at least those he wants to grade. He loves the military, at least as long as he and his sons are exempt. He has a tax plan that consists of ‘oh never mind.’ If snark was king the torch was passed last night to Romney. Playing fast and furious with the facts was also on display last night for the delight of the fact checkers among us. I tried to write down all of the falsehoods, but my pen ran out of ink and fatigue got the best of me. The American people were certainly let down last night by both men. Romney was dishonest and Obama was disengaged. What a bust.

    • daniel bostdorf

      As Is stated to Daniel Jones:

      Obama is a keen observer of basketball and boxing strategy thoughout his political career.

      Feels like the famous Ali “rope-a-dope” coming on.
      Romney’s team will take that bait for sure.

      In basketball, its called a “head fake” to make your opponent think you are going one way, and in fact “fake out” the opponent that has let his or her guard down.

      You then score the point.

      In this case…Obama will be re-elected president.

      • CAThinker

        I agree… I think he let NitMitt run his mouth… and now he has a whole new set of attacking points… He can compare what he said during this debate to what he said for the past three months (detailing when and to whom he was speaking)… and nail his point home with, “So, which is it? The American people deserve to know…” Then he’s not arguing policy, he’s arguing and exposing character… Demonstrate the liar that he is… Fakes, feigns and ambushes need to be hidden and sold to work… I suspect the next two debates will be much more fun to watch… because he’s going to have to walk back in front of everyone that watched him the first time…

    • AMADAL

      RoMoney reminded me a lot of that old TV show “To Tell The Truth”. Will the real Mittens please stand up. Which one do you like the best?

  • daniel bostdorf

    The only personality shift I saw with Romney was he finally presented himself as a two faced, bald faced liar. And that’s Romney’s real personaility.

    He likes to tell the lies and keep them simple and keeps repeating them hoping the masses will believe him. That’s called propaganda. We finally saw the fascist come out from his personality.

    Here’s an example of a ROMNEY LIE on the failure of Obama’s economic policy:

    “And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we’ve gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can’t find work.”

    HERE ARE THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.

    HE LIED in asserting that Obama came into office “facing 23 million people out of work.” At the start of Obama’s presidency, 12 million were out of work.

    Romney lies. It’s part of his personailty that has shifted to the forefront. I am am happy to see the real Mitt…because he’s not fit to be president.

    ANOTHER BALDFACED LIE:
    ROMNEY stated incorrectly that Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”

    HERE ARE THE FACTS:
    Romney lied about the Independent Payment Advisory Board being able to ration care. This is a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act.

    EVEN MORE FACTS:

    Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. It simply does NOT HAVE power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe. Romney’s lie is resurrecting the false demagogue assertion that Obama’s law would lead to rationing….Sounds like Pailn lie that has been widely debunked. The board has yet to be named. Its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.

    In addition, Romney lied about his own position on taxes, education and the outsourcing of jobs.

    Where’s the money in the Caymans? How about the jobs you outsourced to China? And hundreds of other examples of your complete lack of care for the 47%.

    Got you on videotape on that one. That exposed your real personalityas well.

    Romney lies, lies and lies along with Ryan, and the right wing media, and Rove et al swear to it.

    Propaganda and lies disguised as truth.

    Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

    or as Adolph Hitler stated:
    “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

    Keep lying to us Mitt..because you are afraid we will hold you accountable for your personailty shifts, flip flops, and etch-asketch atttude towards the truth. …

    We don’t want what you and Ryan are really selling…LIES…..

    EJ Dionne stated it best in his thoughtful article:

    “Having hidden his Massachusetts health care plan behind “Repeal Obamacare” rhetoric in the primaries, Romney warmly embraced his own plan — without explaining why repealing a national health care system modeled on his plan would in any way be consistent with his sloganeering against the president’s central achievement.”

  • roskodog

    I suspect Mr. Romney held back alot as well. Just sayin.

  • roskodog

    Oh one more thought , Round 1.. Romney..

    • daniel bostdorf

      This has nothing really to do with who won or lost…

      The article is about Romneys personality and apparent penchant for lying. Romney’s Propaganda and lies disguised as truth in a national presidential debate. was disgusting.

      If you insist on declarinmg a winner….Round 1 went to the American People.

      The American People won last night because we finally got to see who Romney really is.

      We saw and listened to a fascist liar running for president.

      Mitt’s not fit….to be president.

  • onetop66

    If Obama was so successful in Wednesday’s debate, why were there no Democrat representatives in the “Spin Hall” after the debate? Watching Obama’s speech today, I wonder who was at the debate last night? Another article was “praising” Romney for releasing his tax return. When is Obama going to release his academic records? With conflicting stories floating around the Internet, the media, and broadcast media(Radio & Television) I’d like to know more about his background.

    Obama’s handling of the Libyan fiasco is an outstanding example of Hilary’s questioning of his ability to deal with a crisis “at 3:00 in the morning.” Spending almost 27 years years in the U. S. Army I’ve seen personnel “relieved of duty for lesser mistakes.

    • I know trying to get anything approaching a reasonable answer or two out of you is going to be a challenge, onetop66…but I’m gonna give it a shot anyway. OK, here goes. Do you really think that Barack Obama would have been elected to become editor of the Harvard Law Review by his fellow Harvard Law School students…including very conservative ones…if his academic record was in any way shaky?…Sounds like ‘birtherism redux’ to me ‘soldier’. Hasn’t that stubborn silliness been put to rest yet?

      And speaking of ‘soldier stuff’…and the ‘Libyan fiasco’. You do realize that being an ambassador in a volatile area like Libya(& Egypt, etc.) is a dangerous job, right? …Especially right now when Middle Eastern strongman dictators and their security forces are being deposed in costly, confusing quests for personal, Western -type freedoms & some form of power sharing approaching democracy. Since you are obviously a military ‘expert’…after a career in the U.S. Army…how should Obama have handled that Libyan crisis? What should he have done to prevent the killing of our ambassador at the unguarded consulate in Benghazi…other than to bring to entire U.S. Marine security guard detachment at the embassy in Tripoli with him? What wisdom on this subject has Faux News had to pass along to you in helping you form an opinion on this matter?

    • AMADAL

      How stupid are you? Where are RoMoney’s tax returns over the last 10 years? Where are his academic records? Where is his birth certificate? Are you still on that old crap from 4 years ago? When RoMoney produces, then you can ask. And to think you are ex-military. If you think like RoMoney, we would be starting WW III by now when jumping to conclusions instead of taking a more diplomatic path. It’s a good thing you are EX-military–I seriously believe you never got beyone the rank of private after 27 years with your brilliant thinking.

  • The Problem with Democrats is that they are not actually following the details that exists… this is more of the same… highlighting Obama’s baseless claims… Trust me when I say it is in Obamas favor not to win. History will not be kind to him after OC throws us into the biggest recession in history and destroys our medical system.

  • atc333

    Obama missed several opportunities, and obviously was not in his usual form. Seems like some advisers did not do their job very well, be it arriving late, or the “above the fray” approach.

    The newly minted “Moderate Mitt” gives much fuel for discussion, considering all of Romney’s dogmatic statements in the past which should now come back to haunt the new Mr. Moderation.

  • I ffeel that the President allowed Mitt state all his lies so that he will hang himself. The public has seen what he has done with our jobs and what he is promising his big money friends. He think that people that can’t see through his muddy water scheme

    • CAThinker

      Proving once again that NitMitt provides universal employment to all fact checkers… 36 lies in 90 minutes… That has to be the new record… One of the biggest problems is you really don’t know who he is winking at – is he winking at the Talipublicans to get them to relax, that once he’s elected, he’ll be back to make sure they are taken care of… or is he winking at the moderates to get them to relax because he really is a moderate… either way, he is not to be trusted…

    • barbarahugh

      Truth be told ‘ romney saids anything as long as he gets elected ‘ but people better remember that by electing romney they are electing the koch brothers and the likes
      because romney owes them BIG TIME!!!!

      • JSquercia

        What I find interesting id how little of his own money Romney has put into his camapign . Does he find candidate Romney too risky an investment ?

        • barbarahugh

          Yes I believe he does !! His investments are actually with other people’s $$$$

  • I liked the one in the Denver Post referring Romney to a bull in a bull fight attacking Obama the bull fighter. You know what happens to the bull?

    • …from your keyboard to God’s ears….

      • God hates liers too! Especially those who do not help those less fortunate then themselves!

  • Gov. Romney is a good actor. He can play any role, especially the role that helps Romney.

  • nomaster

    Who is this masked man one of those shadows for the day or whomever you want him to be. First he follows he teabaggers and there cohort and now he pretends to be a moderate in wolf skin. Who are the sheeple of America, will they follow into the trap of this liar.

  • Joe Narusiewicz

    I truly think Mitt Romney is clinically insane. He doesn’t have a core outside of his Mormon religion and shifts with the wind to win. Think why he is so badly losing his home state of Michigan where he was born and Massachusetts where he was Governor? His legacy is calculations. His intelligence is like a chameleon constantly changing to the situation for his narcissism. He wants a legacy as a GREAT MAN! Everything is coming out and though he won the first debate he really lost it. I even lost more respect for him as a liar but then I begin to see something deeper, a fanatic, a driven narcissus with make shift views, a total user whether it be the republicans or the tea party…. A man who could end up in a mental institution….

  • We’ve had all sorts of men occupying the Oval Office. With the exception of Richard Nixon, I don’t think we’ve ever had a SPLIT PERSONALITY doing so!

    We are better off placing into the Oval Office a President who will NOT cause us to scratch our heads every morning wondering WHICH PERSONALITY we’ll have to deal with today…

  • nyolamo

    Biggest lier ever! Just trying to flip flop only to take power. Such a power hungry individual whose main intention is to protect his wealth and status of the few billionaires and discard the middle class.

  • lazycs

    Gee Barak claimed that he wasn’t going to raise taxes and yet old Joe biteme said they plan on raising $1 TRILLION in new taxes next year.
    Libs are upset because Mitt opened a can of Whoopass on old barak. He stood their ahhh and ayyy ing because he still doesn’t have a plan for the economy after 4 years. That’s what happens when a quota king gets elected

    • daniel bostdorf

      The only personality shift I saw with Romney was he finally presented himself as a two faced, bald faced liar. And that’s Romney’s real personaility.

      He likes to tell the lies and keep them simple and keeps repeating them hoping the masses will believe him. That’s called propaganda. We finally saw the fascist come out from his personality.

      Here’s an example of a ROMNEY LIE on the failure of Obama’s economic policy:

      “And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we’ve gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can’t find work.”

      HERE ARE THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.

      HE LIED in asserting that Obama came into office “facing 23 million people out of work.” At the start of Obama’s presidency, 12 million were out of work.

      Romney lies. It’s part of his personailty that has shifted to the forefront. I am am happy to see the real Mitt…because he’s not fit to be president.

      ANOTHER BALDFACED LIE:
      ROMNEY stated incorrectly that Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”

      HERE ARE THE FACTS:
      Romney lied about the Independent Payment Advisory Board being able to ration care. This is a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act.

      EVEN MORE FACTS:

      Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. It simply does NOT HAVE power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe. Romney’s lie is resurrecting the false demagogue assertion that Obama’s law would lead to rationing….Sounds like Pailn lie that has been widely debunked. The board has yet to be named. Its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.

      In addition, Romney lied about his own position on taxes, education and the outsourcing of jobs.

      Where’s the money in the Caymans? How about the jobs you outsourced to China? And hundreds of other examples of your complete lack of care for the 47%.

      Got you on videotape on that one. That exposed your real personalityas well.

      Romney lies, lies and lies along with Ryan, and the right wing media, and Rove et al swear to it.

      Propaganda and lies disguised as truth.

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

      Keep lying to us Mitt..because you are afraid we will hold you accountable for your personailty shifts, flip flops, and etch-asketch atttude towards the truth. …

      We don’t want what you and Ryan are really selling…LIES…..

      EJ Dionne stated it best in his thoughtful article:

      “Having hidden his Massachusetts health care plan behind “Repeal Obamacare” rhetoric in the primaries, Romney warmly embraced his own plan — without explaining why repealing a national health care system modeled on his plan would in any way be consistent with his sloganeering against the president’s central achievement.”

      • onedonewong

        Facts??? as per who the State Run Media?
        Romney provide the U6 number for unemployment that is produced by the BLS of course the state run media is grasping at straws trying to prop the Messiah up.

        There are more Americans Unemployed today than at anytime during W’s 2nd term.

        A Panel of experts who are “unelected bureaucrats” also know as the death panel. Just like earlier those year baraks so called experts said the PSA was unnecessary yet not 1 urologist was on the panel but there sure was a bunch of federal employees with 0 expertise making that call

        the panel can’t dictate patient treatment you’re right baraks so called experts just won’t PAY for the treatment which is the same thing.

        Barak has outsourced more jobs to China,Japan, Korea, Finland, Brazil than anyone in the history of this country all with taxpayer $$$. Romney was at least risking his own capitol.
        Business like Dunkin Donuts, Staples, Burger King to name a few only exist today because of Bain Capitol. His record is far far superior to anything barak has done or will ever do in his life time.

        EJ Dionne is a liberal hack for the WashPost and his hardly an unbiased source. Barak is his Messiah just like Ezra Klein, and Chris Mathews , Bria Williams, Scott Pelley and Wuff Bulshitter.

        This guy in office is credited with record US Casualties every year his rules of engagement have been in place. Placing more value on Moooslim lives than our own troops.. As a card carrying socialist barak is looking forward to the day that the US no loner exists

        There are 2 words that you will never see in a sentence describing Obama ….smart or American

    • rickcain2320

      Obama cut your taxes.

      • onedonewong

        Congress and W did. barak just said me tooo

  • I swear, I am so sick of seeing Ann Romney do that stupid pageant wave that I would vote for anyone that would just not do that.

    Hey…I know someone who I could vote for….Barack Obama.

  • jim

    Romney did not promise to cut anyone’s taxes. He said he would cut tax rates for the wealthy and eliminate loopholes in tax laws. Eliminating the loopholes would make up the tax-rate losses. Rich would pay same amount of taxes. Obama has been lying with allegation that Romney had promised a $5-trillion tax cut. He hasn’t promised anyone a tax cut.

    • CAThinker

      You are either mis-informed, uninformed or deluded. NitMitt said he was going to cut tax rates by 20% across the board. Pay attention: that’s cutting taxes!!! Those so-called “loopholes” he’s going to close we call deductions for mortgage interest and student loans… Why are you here? Why don’t you go to one of the right-wing forums where all of the rest of the liars can go and pat themselves on the back…

    • Dave

      Baloney.

      On February 22, 2012, Romney said: “We’re going to cut taxes on everyone across the country by 20 percent, including the top 1 percent.”

      On October 3, 2012, Romney said: “I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans.”

    • rickcain2320

      I would like to hear about these loopholes. Romney and Ryan are always sorely lacking on details.
      When asked about health care reform they say things like ‘we need common sense reforms’

      Whatever that means. Its a month before the election its time for details not broad brush strokes and sweeping hand gestures.