Ryan’s Hope: Voodoo Economics Still Isn’t A Plan

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Ryan’s Hope: Voodoo Economics Still Isn’t A Plan

August 13th, 2012 1:20 am Joe Conason

By naming Paul Ryan as the Republican vice presidential nominee, Mitt Romney has endorsed what used to be known as “voodoo economics” — and restored that special brand of Republican superstition to the center of national debate. To take Ryan seriously, as all too many pundits and politicians insist we must, requires everyone to behave as if the plans he produced as House Budget Committee chairman represent a meaningful effort to improve the nation’s fiscal future. Sooner or later, however, real analysts will scrutinize the Ryan budget using honest math instead of humbug and magic.

In fact they already have done so — and that is where the myth of Ryan as a serious, scrupulous, and bold reformer begins to disintegrate.

As close observers know, the Wisconsin Congressman wants to cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans even more sharply than George W. Bush, whose tax policies caused the bulk of the deficits that provoke so much righteous anger among Republicans like Ryan today. In Ryan’s budget, his tax cuts leave an enormous revenue gap, even with the absurdly destructive spending cuts he also proposes.

But according to Ryan, we need not worry that his plan will increase fiscal deficits as well as the deficits it will assuredly worsen in infrastructure, education, health care, environmental quality, consumer protection, and scientific research. He says that his tax cuts, which naturally favor the wealthiest Americans, will pay for themselves by creating a huge, rapid spurt of economic growth — which will result in higher tax revenues to cover the deficit.

Where have we heard this before? There was the original Reagan version, and then later the Bush version, which relied on a gimmick called “dynamic scoring” to create the same fake equation. Ryan’s version is updated slightly, claiming that if Congress removes enough loopholes and tax expenditures, the resulting spurt of growth will reach five percent, ten percent, or even more.

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Tags: 2012 campaign, Budget Deficit, Congressional Budget Office, debt, front.page.blog.post, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Republicans

WhutHeSaid

This isn’t just “Voodoo Economics” — it’s the “Pinocchio Plan”. It’s been proven a false theory so many times (the latest being the last 10 years of the Bush tax cuts) that nobody really believes it — if they ever really did. Tax cuts for the rich and ‘magic beans’ isn’t an economic policy, it’s just another right-wing gimmick.

http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

Only Thing That Will Trickle Down Is Pee!! Trickle Down Is Rich Men Pissing On Your Heads Then Telling You It Just Rain!!! Clinton Got Rid Of The Trickle Down Polices And We Were In Good Shape And He Left Office With The Country In A Surplus!! TRICKLE DOWN DOES NOT WORK FOR ALL OF US!!!

dljones

You really have a thing for trickling. Get your umbrella ready, in 79 days Walker is going to take away your subsidized lifestyle.

oldtack

hey Jonsey

Who in H— is Walker? Do you even know who is on the ticket?

Walker??

Better come in out of the heat.

metrognome3830

He’s talking about that other Wisconsin hero, Gov. Scott Walker, the union-busting thug who had to fight off a recall election. It will be interesting to see if he can get elected a third time. Nice folks, these Wisconsin politicians.
oldtack

metrognome3830
I stand corrected.

Thanks
metrognome3830

Glad to be of assistance.

Have a nice day!
dljones

oldtack: Found one on this site that really reading.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Joan-Maurer/100000910841619 Joan Maurer

I object to your characterization that everyone against the Ryan budget leads a “subsidized lifestyle” you do not know that about the person you were attacking. As a statement that is just wrong. I am always intrigued by people who think that $200.00 in food stamps to a single mother is a subsidized lifestyle; yet 2000, 0000 in low cost government loans is not. Ryan’s plan would not even reduce the deficit! His plan would grow it.
Romney himself is proof that his budget is built on a fallacy. When we gave him more money in tax breaks he did not create jobs with it – he put it into a tax shelter in the Cayman Islands. When you give the poor or middle class money – they spend it; which does stimulate the economy.
Romney/Ryan also wants to gut education – we will not be preparing our workers for jobs in this century. They do not want to invest in repairing our infrastructure. We have bridges, roads and public buildings crumbling. If we repaired them instead of ignoring them it would mean more jobs.
We need a budget and a vision that combines some austerity with rebuilding America the Great. It is all about priorities and more tax cuts for the wealthy should not be priority 1.

onedonewong

She like the obama’s have been on the dole their entire lives

onedonewong

Clinton was a huge fan of trickle down and it was the republican congress that fix the budget mess and gave us balanced budgets. The shoe shine from Chicago has always been over his head. That’s why quotas and affirmative action should never be in place

http://profile.yahoo.com/P3NXX7AD64NWRRT65INAEULVEU Don

Let’s hope all those republicans grow a long nose much like their elephant symbol. They say the money will run out by 2033. I will be 90 in 2028 and hoping i will be long gone.

http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

They Have Earn Their Masters Degrees In Lying And Chaos Don’t Believe A Word Their Said!! Have You Heard Some Of The Lies They Have Been Telling And Romney Has Been Flip Flopping And Lying All Over The USA!!! Claiming Everything Good He Have Done When The Facts Shows He Lying!! These People Will Do And Say Anything To Win The White House Anything !! I’m Waiting For Romney To Say He Discovered Fire!!! Lying Bastards!!!
notopoliticsasusual

great for you, what about the future? What about the next generation? I would be 63 in 2033 if I live that long, my daughter however would only be 40 and I have relatives that would be under 30. We are not just here to make sure we make it but that the future is there for the next generation whether you have kids or not.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5LCXMWHFPRMEYD4RWN56QE2FF4 Grunge45

Greed is behind everything. Put your money in foreign countries, get deductions for a horse, develop doubtful deductions, wage class war against all but the 1%, and then claim how patriotic you are.
onedonewong

what is Barak’s plan?? He’s submitted 4 budget proposals and everyone has been voted on either 99 to zip in the Senate or 430 to zip in the house. He can’t even get 1 person in his own party to support him.
That’s a perfect defination of total incompetence

WhutHeSaid

Well, OneDingDong — I guess you never learned to count properly. Try your argument again without using ridiculous whoppers.

onedonewong

Once again the unwashed masses try to match wits. Sorry your unarmed try some one your equal like a 3rd grader

WhutHeSaid

I see. You mean like a third grader who knows the difference between your and you’re?

How clever you are, OneDingDong!

pwk112

I agree with the author, and I share the idea that Paul Ryan’s budget is completely irresponsible. But I wish that instead of labeling it “voodoo economics” or engaging in other name-calling, we could spark a serious debate that explained to non-economists why it won’t work–for example, a graph of marginal tax rates plotted against economic growth makes the fallacy of the notion that lowering taxes on the wealthy stimulates the economy much clearer than any exposition. When you have the facts on your side, use the facts. Let Romney and co. pound the table.

fawlty

Graphs and facts never won an election. We have the facts on our side, but people don’t want facts, they want to feel good about their vote. It’s all about the marketing, not the content.

pwk112

You are right, of course, but that’s the problem. The Republicans make people feel good by giving them someone and something to hate. It’s sad, and a sad commentary on America that a significant proportion of its population are more comfortable with “free enterprise” platitudes than with accurate information. I suppose in a complex world it’s easier to not let the facts interfere with your opinions or beliefs. But if this country is going to survive, we have to find a way to change that.

http://profile.yahoo.com/WTVB5L6XIWCVK57IAZJO3EXPP4 Gerald

And then Fox News assures them that all of the Republican baloney is actually fact.
Edsanjuan

pwk112: In your post, if you substitute the phrase: “The Republicans make people feel good …” , with the phrase: “The Democrats make people feel good …”, and if you substitute the phrase: “… a significant portion of its population are more comfortable with “free enterprise” platitudes than with accurate information”, with the phrase: “… a significant portion of its population are more comfortable with “socialistic principles”, “fairness” and “equal results, not equal opportunities” platitudes than with accurate information”, ….
THEN, and only THEN,
Your post becomes truthful and accurate …

pwk112

Edsanjuan: You are sadly misinformed. It appears that you have fallen for the conservative tropes hook, line and sinker. Do you even know what “socialist principles” mean? Nobody I know in this country supports “socialist principles.” I know that I believe in equal opportunity. But where is the equal opportunity when half of urban high school kids read below an eighth grade level. This is a post-Libertarian world and if you think you can solve its problems by reducing government spending and freeing business from all regulation, then you are living in a different world than me. True equality of opportunity is not the same thing as unfettered freedom for which the Republicans pine (which doesn’t exist and never existed in this country). And by the way, I’m a businessman who has done extraordinarily well in the last 10 years under both Democrat and Republican administrations, so I have no love of big government. But all you need to do is look at the morass that the repeal of government regulation combined with corporate greed and a wink from the SEC got this country into to realize that the laissez-faire economics of Romney-Ryan and the Republican party simply does not work. Been there. Done that. Suffered enough. The Democrats need to recognize that business is not the enemy, but the Republicans need to learn business, especially big business–left to its own devices–inevitably leads not to more competition but to less. The only answer, is a system where the competitive playing field is truly level, and regulatory enforcement is swift and sure. Romney and Ryan long for day that is past and going back there will be as disastrous as Bush was. I feel let down by Obama about many things, but he has had the disadvantage of a House that was willing to send the country into bankruptcy and has tried to thwart his economic policies at every turn. This idea of notopoliticsasusual that “reduced government through reduced tax and spend” is somehow the right track is simply historically wrong. As I said in my first post, if you actually read history and economics instead of listening to Rush Limbaugh, you would learn that the opposite is true. America has prospered most when there were high marginal tax rates and government spending was high (relative to GNP). This ain’t rocket science, folks, it’s just the facts.
oldtack

Right On!
http://twitter.com/LostAnarchist S-3

*Applauds you for making sense*
drsaul

just ignore edsanjuan,he is a democratic party plant to try to make the tparty look more stupid than they are,nice try dems but lets be civil and not be like them

msm859

Sadly most Americans can’t get past a 30 second sound bite. They also have no memory of history. The Republicans have been dusting this plan off for 30 years, and like Charlie Brown people keep buying it. It may have had some viability as a theory 30 years ago – it is no longer a theory. It has been tried and failed. But then look how many people buy into the wealthy being the “job creators” and how we have to give them special tax treatments. Unless America gets smarter we are in for even more serious problems

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B6RROC4IUESHT322QS5VJVPYRM Lynda

The late and great Gore Vidal defined the USA as the United States of Amnesia. Your remark reminded me of that quote and both are spot on.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-P-Doyle/1517044469 Christopher P Doyle

Facts? Since when did that ever get in the way of Cons?
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KCS3Y6VPV2ZQPEWGGZLPSKQI7M Maynard

Although the facts you cite may be true, people like me, generally articulate and informed, have difficulty with talk about a graph. Could you put the graph into graph form for us? I feel that would be much more graphic.
I think calling it “voodoo” economics or as cleverly quipped above “The Pinnochio Plan,” will have greater impact. Thank you WhutHeSaid. Oher titles for consideration:

” China Jobs Creation Plan.”
“Attack Iran War Jobs Plan”
” We’re Just Not Rich Enough To Put You To Work Yet Plan.”
“You Don’t Need Infrastructure, Education, or First Responders Anyway Plan”
“Trillion Dollar Bailout Booster Plan”
” Fall For Anything Plan.”
“Prove You’re Not Jealous Plan.”
“Just Trust Us Again Plan.”
“If You’re Still Breathing It’s Too Soon To Retire Plan.”
“CEO Reward Plan”
“Miracle Job Growth Plan”
“You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet Plan”
“Butler, Chauffer and Upstairs Maid Work Opportunity Booster Plan”

Edsanjuan

Wow, Maynard ! What a gem !!! It takes a great amount of insight and perception to come up with: ” Could you put the GRAPH into GRAPH form for us? I feel that would be much more GRAPHIC.”
Yesss, this was so absolutely GRAPHIC ….

notopoliticsasusual

The start of the economic problems might have been Bush with the two wars which were a bad idea and I disagreed with it but has Obama made things better? Things are worse yet he still only blames Bush. Ok, maybe severe tax cuts are not the answer but an overall reduction in taxes and spending is what is needed. our country was founded on the idea of limited and small government but we now have this bloated thing that makes the most obese person look svelt. The specifics might not be right but at least Mr. Ryan is on the right track of reduced government through reduced tax and spend.
metrognome3830

I would remind you that it was a Republican that labeled it “Voodoo Economics.” George H. W. Bush used that term to describe Reagan’s economic plan. Which looks amazingly like Ryan’s plan. Of course, H. W. was fine with the plan after Reagan picked him for his running mate. And, you might recall he said, “Read my lips, no new taxes.” But . . . he ended up raising taxes. And losing his re-election bid.

jarheadgene

In one of Willard’s stump speeches he recently said the constitution should require that to run for President you not only have to meet today’s requirement but that you should also have at least 3 years of running a business. Yet his own boy here, Ryan, doesn’t have any. Not only that he wants to take us back to TRICKLE DOWN…..all these years….WHERE ARE THE JOBS….from all the “JOB CREATORS” (as the GOP calls them) that we have been protecting by tax codes?

http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

Where The Jobs Romney And His So Called Businessmen Know Just Where They Are They Have Been Shipping Them Overseas For Profits And Cheap Labor!!

William Deutschlander

Ryan is a conservative’s, conservative, so far to the ideaology of the right that it is about to fall away from the gravitational pull of the Earth.

Democracy in 2012, Democratic Democracy, by the people, for the people, of the people, the MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE, not the 2%.

http://www.facebook.com/elisabeth.gordon1 Elisabeth Gordon

Unfortunately, a majority of the “public” is not that smart – nor do they want to be enlightened…they just want a white man in the White House – The GOP hates Obama more than they love America….pity…we are doomed if R&R get elected

montanabill

We need to stick with the Democrats’ economic plan: more welfare and even lousier schools to increase the voter base, greater spending with big contributors on bogus ‘green’ jobs, higher income taxes on the rich to make sure they don’t create new businesses, higher but hidden taxes on the middle class (that may be a problem since we are eliminating the middle class), greater regulation to keep forcing jobs and economic growth overseas, no budgets because people don’t really care what we do, politics of divisiveness to keep people’s minds off the fact that the country, SS and Medicare are going bust, gut the military so we can go back to the euphoria of 1936, reduced energy production to make the EPA happy with higher gas prices so people won’t be tempted to drive, more regulation, more government control over health care, more regulation, open borders, more regulation, and I almost forgot, more demonization because every problem has to be someone else’s fault and we don’t want people to start thinking.

Gammaanya

You just describe the REPUBLICAN PARTY to a T.
WhutHeSaid

Hey, montanabill — just how low do the taxes need to go for the top 2% before they start creating those jobs? 5%? 2%? 0%? Perhaps if we just go into negative tax brackets and have the IRS PAY the top 2% we’ll finally get the promised ‘trickle down’ on the heads of the beleaguered middle class, yes?

Time for some of your ‘magic business beans’, Bill. Please drive around and throw some out as you go — the Lord knows that tax breaks haven’t worked!

Eleanore Whitaker

According to one Harvard professor of economics and a former Bush consultant…Ryan’s plan for Medicare and Medicaid would see millions of people uninsured. I don’t pay for Medicare or Medicaid in vouchers…I don’t want ROI for what I paid for 32 years in vouchers…This young Ayn Rand twerp needs to get a clue.

You don’t throw the older generation to the wolves so Xers like Ryan can retire wealthy and healthy at age 35 off everyone else’s money.
Eleanore Whitaker

Montana Bill..Enough with that demonizing welfare. The top 10 states who file for regular federal hand0uts are the Big Oil states and red states and they also lead in the number of uninsured for healthcare.

Anyone else fed up with neoconartists maniacal about their narcissism?

You’d think they are the only ones who work…Got news for them…More Americans today are what George W. Bush called, “Uniquely American,” …working 3 jobs to make the salaries 1 job used to pay. All while red staters overload their state coffers with federal funding.

Check out how Ryan’s old man helped lift their hometown out of debt…massive heapings of federal funding …now Young Youth thinks it’s okay to hand out vouchers as ROI for 3 decades of payments into SS, Medicare and Medicaid?

Sure…vouchers…A Madoffing if ever there was one. Comes time to pay those vouchers and tah dah….moolah’s been Republican spent on wars, Big Oil and any other wasteful spending they can find.

highpckts

That’s what happened to SS!! They used it for a slush fund now it’s going broke!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B6RROC4IUESHT322QS5VJVPYRM Lynda

Please go to the Social Security website and find out the real figures. Social Security is not going broke any time soon. The fix is easy if the political types can take a few moments out their busy day trying to raise money to keep their jobs and actually do it. Indeed Congress should make a change to the idea that they can raid the trust fund to cover the revenue shortage from their lowering the tax rates.
Edsanjuan

highpckts”: You are right: the DemocRats did !!!!

oldtack

Hey Juan
This was perpetrated under Lyndon Johnson and it was a transgression and rightfully should be vilified by all. BUT- that was enacted about 45 years ago. Johnson left office in January 1968 (44 = years ago. Twenty eight of those ensuing years the White House was run by the Republicans. Why did not this self righteous August Assemblage correct this grievous act?

Probably for the same reason it was not abolished under the Democrats for the 15 years they were in power. I

t was too good a slush fund to rob from the system for their personal agendas. They got the money – we got worthless promissory notes and the proverbial – Shaft.
metrognome3830

Oh, nice try Ed. Yes, the Democrats are as guilty as anyone including Republicans. That comment is stupider than your usual tripe. What have the Republicans done to stop the raiding of the SS Fund, Ed? Not one damn thing! They did it too. Now it’s time to pay back the IOUs and they want to stiff us on the payback! Is that alright with you Ed?

joujou228

Let’s be serious for a minute and try to understand what’s happening. First, Romney is saying he chose Paul Ryan because Paul is a leader, so the question to ask, will Romney embrace his new leader’s plan? According to him, the answer is no. Now regarding the medicare plan, when anyone under 55 picks the voucher route, if when retired, the insurance company they pick goes out of business, what is the plan “let them die”?

http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

Have You Seen All The Lies Romney Told He Will Indeed Follow Ryan budget Plan Cause The American Taliban Backs Up The Plan 100%!! It Has The Koch Brothers Seal Of Approval!!!
imabrummie

I agree to the let’s be serious. We all know what moronic thugs like Retard Romney and his puppetmaster Ryan have as a policy for Medicare recipients: Don’t get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly!!!

joujou228

Well said!

AliceR51

lol-lol Well here we go. Not even couple days & Ryan already screwed crap up. Too many pple know how crap is & will work.NOT all r dumb,stupid. WE USA AMERICAN ppl want the same,to prosper. So why the hell keep put us in a hole?Well this means more $$$in our pockets,bottom line folks.WE REPUB dont give 2 shits for USA ppl ,just my family,MY pockets.We r top dog,NOT u,so screw ur self.Go dig urself a hole.Ya.Im in POWER now,Im the NEXT presi-Romney stated o.OK, Ryan such a GREAT guy-u vote for him see where u get.Make sure u dig hole big enough for ur whole family.Obama has been tring to get the tax changed & MORE from wealthy,why hell not?They have it,so they can give more.RIGHT?Obama hs been LOW before,same as us.He knows how it feels.I trust Obama.Youve got to be there to feel it.He was pushed alot thru the family he had.He made many mistakes,as we all do,thru life.HE wants USA to PROSPER-wont that be nice?YES!He has to pushthru a BIG brick wall,its hard when u have to fight with soo many who want $$in their pockets.
ObozoMustGo

10 Imponderables….

1. Only in America could politicians talk about the greed of the rich at a
$40,000-a-plate campaign fundraising event.

2. Only in America could people claim that the government still discriminates
Against black Americans when we have a black President, a black Attorney
General, and a federal workforce that is roughly 18% black when the black
Population is only 12%.

3. Only in America could we have had the two people most responsible for
Our tax code – Timothy Geithner, the head of the Treasury Department
And Charles Rangel who once ran the Ways and Means Committee – turn
Out to be tax cheats who are in favor of higher taxes.

4. Only in America can we have terrorists kill people in the name of Allah
And have the media primarily react by fretting that Muslims might be harmed
By the backlash.

5. Only in America would we make people who want to legally become American
Citizens wait for years in their home countries and pay tens of thousands of
Dollars for the privilege while we discuss letting anyone who sneaks into the
Country illegally to just become American citizens.

6. Only in America could the people who believe in balancing the budget and
Sticking by the country’s Constitution be thought of as “extremists.”

7. Only in America could you need to present a driver’s license to cash a
Check or buy alcohol, but not to vote.

8. Only in America could people demand the government investigate whether
Oil companies are gouging the public because the price of gas went up when
The return on equity invested in a major U.S. Oil company (Marathon Oil) is
Less than half of what a company that manufactures sports shoes and
Apparel (Nike) makes.

9. Only in America could the government collect more tax dollars from the
People than any nation in recorded history, still spend a trillion dollars more
Than it has per year for total spending ($7 million PER MINUTE), and complain
That it doesn’t have nearly enough money.

10. Only in America could the rich people who pay 86% of all income taxes
Be accused of not paying their “fair share” by people who don’t pay any
Income taxes at all.

Have a nice day, leftist freak hypocrites!

“Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.” – Ronald Reagan

WhutHeSaid

Only in America can we have greedy slugs who help themselves hand over fist to the benefits provided by generations that paid TWICE as much without HALF the complaints, yet whine and snivel about doing their part.

ObozoMustGo

what… define “greedy slug” please. Do you mean those of us who believe we have a right to the fruits of our labor are “greedy slugs”? Or do you mean those politicians in government that want more and more and more of my earnings for their own political purposes are the “greedy slugs”? Which one is it?

Have a nice day!

“Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.” – Ronald Reagan

WhutHeSaid

I mean those of you who snorted up my tax dollars every single day of your life, and now whine, whimper and snivel about how awful it is that you have to pay your share.

ObozoMustGo

so you are talking about the politicians who took your money?
WhutHeSaid

No, I’m talking about YOU.
ObozoMustGo

How did I or any other citizen take your money? Please explain….
WhutHeSaid

I don’t need to explain — you know full well what I’m talking about. If you don’t appreciate it then give it back, and forever swear not to use a public benefit again (if you can). I’ll be waiting for the check.
ObozoMustGo

no what… I don’t know what you really mean by asserting that I stole your money… make it simple so I and others know exactly where you stand…
Edsanjuan

ObozoMustGo: He can NOT explain what he means. He does not know …
WhutHeSaid

Just kindly send my taxes back that you don’t appreciate using. And pay your medical insurance bill or we’ll send Eric out to find you.
ObozoMustGo

I don’t get it… how am I using your taxes? Please explain…..
WhutHeSaid

For starters, you’re using the Internet — created by my defense dollars. You must get off now and never use it again. I’d ask you to return my dollars in the mail, but (you guessed it) the mail was built by tax dollars. You could Fed-Ex my check, but the roads were, well….yep, right again. Better jump on your pogo stick and deliver my money in person — please don’t use any bridges along the way.
ObozoMustGo

Ohhhh… I get it now… you’re taking credit for other’s successes… ohhhh… like the moron argument that Obozo and that self-described indian idiot Warren are talking about…. Ohhhhh… I get it… you’re one of those fools? As if they don’t have roads and bridges in North Korea… you are fool. Tax dollars paid by businesses and people engaged in productive private enterprise are the ones that built those roads, you moron. And oh, by the way, the technology to build those roads… yeah.. private enterprise… the machinery to do it… yeah, private enterprise…. the materials to do it… yeah, private enterprise…

The internet, too, you idiot. Government only devised a protocol for sending messages to defense locations. And that was a super simple protocol. In fact, the government sat on that technology for nearly 30 years before private enterprise took it over. The internet did not become what it is today because of government you fool! How stupid can you be? Wait… dont answer that… we all know how stupid you are already…

Don’t you have an occupy encampment where you can go rape some chicks, do some drugs, crap on some cop cars, burn local businesses, throw bricks into crowds, and do up-twinkles? Don’t you? That’s more your speed, whut! Isn’t it?

Have a nice day!

“Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the DemocRATS believe every day is April 15.” – Ronald Reagan
WhutHeSaid

Every time you talk it becomes more obvious that you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. The Internet is a protocol, eh? Let me tell you something, Clown: While you were playing around in the sandbox with your little white hood trying to burn your little play crosses, I actually worked on parts of the ARPANET. So I know a bit about those ‘simple protocols’ whereas you obviously know nothing at all. They were (and are) funded by defense research projects (read: taxpayer dollars).

Second, as if you hadn’t already proven yourself enough of a twit, many people including myself paid both our personal taxes and our companies’ taxes to pamper your bigoted little butt and keep you safe from the real threats to this country. Obviously you don’t appreciate that either, or even realize how stupid and childish you sound.

You wouldn’t be hiring ANYBODY in my company. It’s obvious that you are an overgrown spoiled brat who didn’t get enough spankings. You piss all over the previous generations who worked hard and believed in this country, sometimes sacrificing everything, to give you the freedom to spew your whiny little pee-baby talk as if you were all that. You’re just a petulant little whiner — nothing more. Grow up.
ObozoMustGo

what… you’re starting to sound like a conservative with all that pride in defense… which by the way, IS the primary purpose of the Federal Government, NOT taking care of people by robbing Peter to pay Paul. You obviously like the “robbing Peter to pay Paul” philosophy and believe government should take care of people. You were probably a life long bureaucrat and taker off of the rest of us… what everyone refers derisively as a “lazy government worker”… justifiably I might add.

While there have been many new developments that are are motivated by defense purposes, the fact remains that NOTHING, not even your precious roads and bridges, are possible without the private sector businesses and their innovation. NOTHING.

Unlike your twisted freak lefty mind, I know that in America, we the people are NOT subjects of the government, the government is OUR subject. The government is NOT our nanny, much as you leftist freaks and useful idiots like to believe it is.

Have a nice day!

“The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.” – Ronald Reagan
WhutHeSaid

Yes, the government is ours — that’s why you will pay your own health insurance and ‘our’ government will find you if you don’t. The government in this country is the will of the people. So you may not like what the government is doing, but as the will of the people you WILL have to accept it. Got it?
ObozoMustGo

what…. actually the government IS NOT the will of the people. Clearly! What planet do you live on, you old fool? Did you NOT witness the complete farce of passing that debacle of a bill Obozocare. 2700 pages, NO committee hearings, NO conferences, absolutely unconstitutional process. Politicians taking over 17% of our economy and they don’t even read the friggin bill? How stupid are you? What kind of absolute jerk and fool wants to live under a government that does such things? Are you pleased with the fact that 60% of Americans were against it? Is that the will of the people, or the will of the elite ruling class, you friggin moron? You are an absolute idiot. You like living in tyranny because you are a sap… a taker… a parasite on the rest of society… a bum!

Have a nice day!

“I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” – James Madison
WhutHeSaid

You are the bum, and a whining, sniveling little pee-baby to boot. (I’ll leave your bigoted views aside for the moment). A DEADBEAT. You’ll just do what the government of the people SAYS you’ll do. Now, is there any part of this that you don’t understand?
ObozoMustGo

“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.” – Alexis de Tocqueville

You have cofirmed that you prefer the latter!

Have a nice day!
ObozoMustGo

And if the government says you must purchase a Chevy Volt, or attend a church (any church so they are not establishing a religion) once a week and donate $5000 per year, will you comply? If that is what the people say you must do, will you do it?

Edsanjuan

ObozoMustGo: Which one is it you ask? He doesn’t know.

ObozoMustGo

Ed… of course he doesn’t. He is a fool. How could he? You ever notice that the leftist freaks cannot answer questions? They cant. And they are stunned with puzzled amazement that someone else’s mind actually works differently than theirs. It’s really hilarious. Most of them are so stupid they don’t even realize what useful idiots they have become to the leftist politicians that seek to enslave them in tyranny. Many here are hopeless. Some are not.

Have a nice day!

“The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
WhutHeSaid

To that all I can say is that you are a whiny little punk that just needs the spankings he so much deserved for too many years. Do you realize how stupid you really sound? Enslaved in tyranny my ass. If we aren’t careful with people like you we’ll soon be enslaved in idiocy.

Get a life, loser.
http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

Whut: YOU, of ALL people, calling ObozoMustGo a loser???!!!
You ?!!!
oldtack

Obozo
go easier on Whuthesaid. His blood pressure is rising to a dangerous level and he could blow a gasket. You wouldn’t want to have his death on your conscience would you?
ObozoMustGo

Old… that is a danger, I suppose, that I have not considered. Let me think about that and I’ll get back to you…

I hope you are well, Old.

Have a great day!

“The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
metrognome3830

Do you know, Ed?

OMG doesn’t really like you, you know.

Have a real nice day!
http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

Do you know, metro?
Yes, he does like me !
And “have a real nice day” doesn’t suit you well, metro.
Hee, hee, you are somewhat dumb, but you are funny and (very) deep down, a nice guy …
metrognome3830

Hey, it’s all in fun, Eduardo. How is it possible, anytime in the last twenty-five years to take politics in this country seriously. I sincerely want you to have a nice day, Eduardo. Just because your politics are skewed doesn’t mean you’re a bad guy. Back in my younger days there was a guy who always said to me, “How does it feel to know that no one likes you?” And he was a friend.

I am more than “somewhat dumb,” Ed. I am actually quite uneducated and downright stupid, but I still am allowed to have a say. Is this a great country, or what?

Have a nice day! (And I really mean it!)

http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

It’s The Same Rerun Bull That Didn’t Work The First Time And Still It’s Not Going To Work For The 98% Of Us!! It Just Rich Men Who It Works For!!! Plus Paul Ryan IMMORAL BUDGET WILL CAUSE EVEN MORE DAMAGE!!!
AliceR51

For one thing Ive seen the videos on Obama. Ive seen him wave the bills he tried to pass for USA,& congress said NO. So whats he to do?They have the right to veto. He has to keep pushing,this is what hes been doing,so how the #%@ can he pass anything & do what he wants if congress vetos him??Yet,hes to blame for many things NOT being done.Ok,if hes vetoed-how can he do those things he wants-pay attention AMERICA. Hes NOT working alone.Hes going thru brick wall. You know how hard that is??Well,sorry to offend anyone,but my friends/family will be voting for Obama.Its the only way to make our world safe. Yes,it will take time to repair ,but its the ONLY world we all have.May GODBLESS you all.
http://www.facebook.com/juantomas.rivera Juantomas Rivera

With Barack Hussein Obama and his Administration of far-left radical socialist Marxist in office our nation is slowly but surely being dismantled . . . . with our eyes wide open . . . and in full knowledge of every American. He again is by passing congress signing another “Executive Order” and “Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America” and Americans are allowing him to do so. This dictator is seeking re-election? How stupid does he think we really are? Apparently we are . . . . . very much so . . . . if we allow him to continue . . . . or re-elect him into office.

How much more proof of his control do Americans need to realize what he is doing? Why are we allowing this man to destroy our Country? Has America become a Nation of idiots letting a power hunger zealot remain in power . . . . apparently we are . . . very much so . . . if we allow him to continue . . . or re-elect him into office.

I just can’t believe we are letting this pompous twit of a President do this to us. How did we ever win our independence?

http://www.facebook.com/jerilynn.dringenberg JeriLynn Dringenberg

Go watch some more Fox News, but please, stay out of the voting booth until you become better educated!

Edsanjuan

JeriLynn: Another bigot. Read what I said about oldtack (who must be your friend and soulmate).
You ignoramuses never learn …

oldtack

Edsj

Temper – temper.

A sure sign of a right wing nut. If you can’t come up with a logical rebuttal you go on the attack with slurs and charges of racist and bigot. L

ook in the mirror friend – you are talking about yourself. That’s a pity. It really is.

Smile and have a pleasant evening – sincerely.

Tack

http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

No, oldtack: YOU, my friend, I repeat, YOU are a BIGOT; YOU are the (left wing) NUTJOB.
You, Sir, ARE a BIGOT, not because I say so, not because, yes, I have a temper, but because you had the GALL of calling Juantomas Rivera “Guantonomas”, just as in Guantanamo, and only because he disagreed with you (who is the “nut” now?), and don’t you come tell me now that you didn’t call him that.
Since you, old man, can’t seem to be able to remember what intelligent people say to you, I will remind you about what I told you that caused you to tell me that I “attacked” you with slurs and charges of racist and bigot:
I said: “… if Juantomas Rivera (NOT Guantonomass – for Guantanamo – as you so stupidly call him – shame on you, BIGOT !), is a US citizen, OF COURSE he can vote. If he is NOT a citizen, his obvious intelligence notwhistanding, OF COURSE he CAN NOT vote ! Do you have a problem with that, you old BIGOT?”
As for me, don’t you worry that on election day I might have to show proper ID, if requested, to vote (DUH !!). That’s what has you Leftie dumbos so up in (excuse the word) ARMS, ha, ha !!
oldtack

Eduardo
I did slur Juantomas and if Juantomas replies to me I will proffer and apology to him.

Enough of the name calling. I am not a racist nor a bigot and I don’t think you are either. We are just on opposite ends of the spectrum. Let us both endeavor to keep our remarks logical and focused on the matters at hand.
Have a good morning tomorrow. It is now 2340 hours and I’m signing off.

Tack

oldtack

Guantonomass Rivera

You are without doubt the dumbest asshole on this forum. From day one – the puss gut from Kentucky and the hook nosed Jew from Virginia made public statements that their prime goal was to make Barak Obama a one term President. It’s a Southern way of saying – no way in hell are we going to have a Nigger in OUR White House telling us white folks what to do.
The first year Obama tried reaching across the aisle and was totally rebuffed in every move. The only alternative was to use a method ,instituted by a Republican leader that enabled the President to by pass Congress at certain times. If you will check the record your will find that the Republican controlled House has blocked every proposal and essentially shut down our Government.

In the battle over increasing the National Debt in order to pay interest due – these same assholes were the ones that blocked it to a point where this Nation was downgraded from AAA to AA.

When they did come to terms they presented a plan to pay that was detrimental to the entire spectrum of governing. This was passed and referred to a super committee for revision and change. This group couldn’t even agree on the time of day and at the end of their allotted time the Bill as pushed by the Republican House was Law. Now this same group of assholes are proclaiming that this law is not feasible and will severely affect our abilities. They do this with misleading scare tactic propaganda. Wake up Senor. If you are one of our good citizens from the Latino Countries you had better make sure oyu have proper ID at voting time. Here in my State you, with a Latin sounding name , will be a prime target.

Hasta la vista.

Edsanjuan

oldtack: First, considering the idiocies contained in your previous posts today (some of which I have already addressed), I don’t think you should be calling anybody “the dumbest asshole on this forum”. If you want to find a real assh… , go look at yourself in the mirror, you BIGOT.
Secondly, if Juantomas Rivera (NOT Guantonomass – for Guantanamo – as you so stupidly call him – shame on you, BIGOT !), is a US citizen, OF COURSE he can vote. If he is NOT a citizen, his obvious intelligence notwhistanding, OF COURSE he CAN NOT vote ! Do you have a problem with that, you old BIGOT?
P.S. – I do not have the honor of personally ever meeting Juantomas Rivera. I don’t know him, but I can recognize a stupid, snobish, bigoted comment when I come across one. And poor oldtack’s comments are exactly that.
Hasta la vista yourself, oldtack.

oldtack

Ahh temper temper Ed SJ,

Watch it or you may keel over with apoplexy.

Bigot? I have many Latino, Black and Muslims friends along with the average white friends and even a couple of Southerners. I spend much of my time in Central America and am accepted there.
Bigot? No. Racist? No. That is – if you will overlook my animosity for the bigoted racist people I know in the Deep south.

You had better take a close look at your reply and take a closer look in your mirror if you want to find a racist and Bigot.

Hasta la vista Dear misguided friend. I mean that with all sincerity.
oldtack
drsaul

gusanos will always stick to gether

Edsanjuan

drsaul: Wow !! That was a deep and perceptive comment !! Sir, you must be really, really smart to have come up with such an illuminated (look it up !) statement: “gusanos will always stick together” (NOT “to gether”, learn some grammar !)
For your illustration:
1) I am not Cuban and I would not be surprised if Juantomas Rivera, the “gusano” you refer to, is also not Cuban;
2) “Gusano” is the word that your idol, Fidel Castro, uses to describe freedom-loving Cubans that have left his socialist miasma (again, look it up !); seems that you so symphatize with Fidel that you call an intelligent person with an Hispanic name, a “gusano”.
3) Your use of the epithet (again, look it up, you socialist ignoramus!) “gusano” shows how ignorant you are.
You, Sir, stand respectfully corrected …

Gammaanya

Please give up your SS, Medicare, do not sent your kids to Public School and please do not buy Health Insurance through ACA – all these PROGRAMS are SOCIALISTIC programs. Please define Marxism, Socialism…….When you get sick ask R?R to pay your bill. I guess they will let you die. Enjoy the ride. Obama will do fine w/o job, retire on your dime. WHat will you do when your job will be shipped to India or your business goes kaput becausae you have no customers for your BS???? I am CPA and I do it taxes for large Corp. and it breaks my heart to see what a man pays in taxes and how much the Corp. receive in refunds while contributing NOTHING to the ECONOMY. Learn basic accounting and how to use the system. The tax code (thanks to Republicans under Reagan) favors the Corp. After all Corp. are people my friend – Yes they gave birth to them, I would like to see the long form birth certificate in certain fonts and color print. . You are very Ignorant just like the poster Obozomustgo. A misguided loosers. Get rid of hatred and bitterness, they do you more harm than good.

Edsanjuan

Gammaanya: ObozoMustGo’s intellect can run rings around yours and his command of facts is WAY over yours and your (empty) head.
Also, ObozoMustGo can write many, many sentences without a grammatical or syntax error; you, who claim to be a CPA, can’t ….

metrognome3830

Well, I’ll tell you one thing Ed. ObozoMustGo’s intellect is up in the stratosphere compared to yours. You rank well down in the bottom 5 of posters on this forum. I think Romney should have picked you as a running mate to try and pick up the Idiot Vote.

http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

metro: Wow! You really LIKE me. I’m flattered by your attention to my posts !
Let me respond to you, sentence by sentence, from your post:
1) First sentence – neutral – tell me, metro.
2) Second sentence – quite correct !! Still, I am flattered that you (even so negatively) compare my intellect with ObozoMustGo’s.
3) Third sentence – a matter of opinion, my friend. You forgot to mention that the reason why I (to you) rank “… in the bottom 5 posters on this forum” (cesspool of Leftie lunatics) is that I constantly set you straight and, of course, you don’t like that…
4) Fourth, Romney does not need me, my friend (aren’t you delighted that I call you “friend”?) to “pick up the Idiot Vote”: Obozo and Buffoon already have the monopoly on that kind of vote (don’t tell me that YOU did not vote and/or will not vote for Obozo??!!!)
metrognome3830

Oh, of course I like you Eduardo. I don’t discriminate against people. I have many right wing loonies among my friends. In fact, I live in the midst of a large community of right-wing loonies. They make no sense to me and I make no sense to them, but we usually have a good time denigrating each other’s ideas. That’s how OMG and I came to meet – electronically speaking – criticizing each other’s comments. And guess what? I like OMG. He is quite literate and quite well-read. I just think that sometimes he takes the wrong message from what he reads, so we discuss our differences. Sometimes we even agree, but we do try to keep it civil. I do thank you for your concern, Eduardo, but I really don’t need you to set me straight. I am approaching my 74th year and have experienced all kinds of life experiences which formed the basis for my ideas. True, I don’t have the high level of education of you and OMG, but I have managed to survive and even reach a level of respectability in the community. When I see a string of negative and decidedly uncivil posts such as your, I tend to respond in kind. I don’t see the necessity for that. It’s the one thing that disappoints me about OMG sometimes. It’ counter-productive and I dislike myself when I resort to the same thing. It’s a failure on my part when I do that. It is possible to disagree without resorting to name-calling (right-wing loonies, left-wing nutjobs, etc.) I am going to try and refrain from that, difficult as it may be. It’s something I do in jest with my friends, including OMG (at least, it is on my part).

BTW, impressive web-site,l from a technical stand-point. Of course I don’t agree with the editorial comments.

Have a great day!

imabrummie

You say the current President is destroying our country. On the contrary, his predecessor had already taken us very far down the road of destruction before handing the current encumbant a mess of enormous proportions which will take more than the blink of an eye to recover from. You talk of idiots. If you want to see one, maybe you should take a long look in the nearest mirror!

http://www.facebook.com/jerilynn.dringenberg JeriLynn Dringenberg

Yes, he did.
highpckts

Romney isn’t a “leader”!! So we will have the Bush/Cheney duo again only Ryan will be the power behind the throne!

imabrummie

Amen to that, Mr. Bendyboots is as far from being a leader as the earth is to the planet Saturn. Hopefully there are enough of us 99%ers to destroy Retard Romney’s dream of being the next occpant of the White House and have his strings pulled by puppetmaster Ryan.

highpckts

You probably don’t even know what Marxism means!!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

I dislike Obama, he is almost owned by certain special interests. At least though, we haven’t intensified our war with Iran.

But the Romney-Ryan, is a RailRoad built to destroy America. We need jobs here, as well as industrial production and education. Working Americans, those that actually produce products, are on the sidelines.

Why not build the United States infrastructure for our children?
In the past, we did so both with the Interstate highway system, space-electronics-technology… resulting in positive growth.

Today, what is needed? First suggestions would be a high speed, environmentally friendly transportation system. Our current infrastructure needs repair, why not go one further.. modernize it at the same time. Broad regional job creation would be its result as well as preparing for tomorrow. Connect cities with high speed transport: Think outside the box.

In the mediums of interstate highways, build vactrains: see wiki article vactrain

WhutHeSaid

Obama tried this, like in Florida with a high speed rail project connecting Tampa to Orlando. Republican right-wing zealot, Medicare fraudster and soundly unpopular governor Rick Scott refused the federal funding and the jobs that it would have created for Floridians. So much for the jobs, jobs, jobs mantra.

Tom_D44

The Florida high speed rail system was scrapped for good reason. First, there are no sound regional and local transportation systems to support it and these two areas do not have traditional localized business, retail and residential sectors. So if you rode a train from Orlando to Tampa, there is no dependable local transportation system to get you around to all these different sectors which are spread out by many many miles each way. Historically, with these projects, construction costs estimates are low and ridership projections are high. By comparison the governer looked at Amtrak’s Acela train serving the northeast and that system had only 3.2million riders in 2010 with a population 8 times the size of the Tampa-Orlando areas. The governer recognized that the continuous operating costs could cripple florida tax payers if ridership wasn’t there, and he could find no corporate sponsors to back the project unless the state assumed all financial risk. If the system was ever shut down because it was too costly to run or was not self supporting, the the state would still owe the federal government the entire $2.4billion. If you are a business man, and Rick Scott certainly is, this decision was a no brainer.

Edsanjuan

Tom_D44: Your well researched and reasoned response to Steve O’Leary and WhutHeSaid was so informative.
What you do not realize is that these Leftie dumb fanatics, so many of them in this cesspool called National Memo (read Democrap Memo), do not CARE for facts and are easily duped by the slogans and “news-at-a-glance” of the Obummer era.

WhutHeSaid

What people you refer to as ‘Leftie dumb fanatics’ — no doubt meaning NOT right-wing deadbeat bigots — don’t care for are lies. Stop the ridiculous whoppers you try to pass off as ‘facts’ and we’ll get along much better.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

Edsanjuan, Tom_D44
:
I didn’t advocate the status quo: railroads such as Amtrak, CSX, etc. I advocated high tech ventures, new out of the box ideas:

Look up Vactrain and then provide an intelligent response.

WhutHeSaid

Bullshit.

The high-speed rail system was destined to connect with the existing Hillsboro Regional Area Transit Authority, Orlando’s LYNX and Disney Bus System, and the local Orlando area had it’s own plans for local rail transit. Further, the Tampa-Orlando leg of the system was only the beginning, with additional segments to Miami, St. Petersburg and Pensacola. The state was on track (pun intended) to begin construction almost immediately and had largely completed all of the preparatory work and studies. The federal government had earmarked $2.4 billion, which nearly covered the total cost of $2.6 billion. Local jurisdictions formed a coalition that promised to cover the financial risk. The project would have added 20,000+ jobs in a state where they are sorely needed.

Government is NOT a business. Many things that we do for the good of the public and the country as a whole will never turn a profit. Other countries have surpassed the US in the development of high speed rail, which has a number of benefits that make it desirable. Further, ridership studies showed that the Florida project would be profitable from the very start anyway.

The reason that Scott killed this project is purely political, and shows how far the current crop of right-wing zealots are willing to go in their quest for political power. It’s the same type of irresponsible behavior that caused the Tea Party freshmen in Congress to cheer with glee over the prospect of the USA defaulting on it’s debts for the first time in history, and the subsequent lowering of the country’s credit rating. This type of behavior has caused incalculable damage to the country already, and shows that these right-wing elements — especially the Tea Party — do not have the interests of the country in mind, rather, they are willing to damage the country to achieve their zealous political goals.

So don’t give me a ‘business case’ for opposing a promising project favored by a Democratic President or piss down my leg and tell me it’s raining. The American public is getting tired of watching the Tea Party act like a bunch of belligerent spoiled brats with nothing useful to contribute. Polls show that the American public detests the Tea Party already — and with good reason: They’ve done absolutely nothing to help this country while engaging in all manner of despicable and bizarre behavior. Rick Scott himself is one of the most disliked Governors in Florida history — and we can clearly see the reasons why.

Tom_D44

Whut – you really are an angry person – you might need to have a beer.

So you are wrong again. There was a coalition of businesses which the democrats were peddling as a solution to the problem and that was what they all were campainging on. For some reason light rail in Tampa became a completely partisan issue and it was ridiculous to hear all these local, state and federal candidates running ads on this seemingly small time issue – at least for Castor and Nelson on the Federal level. Turns out this coalition of businesses who was all in support of the rail started bailing as soon as they were approached by Scott with real numbers and accountability. When they actually had to sign their names to the loan they backed out one by one. So they were never willing to take on any risk – they only supported it so long as the state was backing the money and Scott said no.

Also, at a neighborhood association meeting we had city officials talking to us about HART and they are struggling with their own budgets. Nobody is riding the bus. They are dropping routes left and right. And sure you could make the case that if the rail works and people start using it then ridership on the local busses will increase as well – but how far out is that, and it is still too dependent on the success of the Tampa-Orlando route. As usual, when all the details and facts came out, there was no support for the program.
WhutHeSaid

I’m not angry — what ever gave you that idea? I just dislike partisan bullshit and I’m not afraid to say so.

I thought you said there were no public transit systems in place? Now that’s changed to ‘well, the ridership isn’t there, they’re dropping routes’? See, this is what I like about the ‘stop Obama at all costs’ crowd — they make heavy use of, well…let’s say ‘dynamic facts’. There is still support for the program, so please find yourself a new argument. I’ll be waiting, while enjoying a beer.

oldtack

Steve

Right On!

highpckts

Your “facts” are incredible!!
http://profile.yahoo.com/GTGRBI7XN67J5WFW5EPZITSIIM BILL

Paul Ryan is as close to Hitler as anyone can get. If he gets his way he will bury the elderly and the poor. I’m sure if we would let him he would install gas chambers in every state.
Bad choice for vice president. The last thing this country needs is another Adolf Hitler and another Hermann Goering!

oldtack

Bill
Goering was a bad apple but the “evil genius” was Heinrich Himmler with his psychological manipulations of the masses.

HITLER-HIMMLER

ROMNEY- RYAN

Familiar ring isn’t it.

National Socialist Party – signed oaths to walk lock-step with the Party.

“New” Republican party. Signed pledges to walk Lock-step with the PARTY.

Coincidence ? Eerie isn’t it.

But – History does repeat itself.
Edsanjuan

BILL and oldtack :
Not only that (the gas chambers in every state and burying the elderly and the poor). I have it from 3 independent and impeachable sources (MSLSD, Mother Jones and The National Enquirer) that (are you ready for this? Really, really ready? Ok, ready or not, here I come !!!), …. that …. that …. Romney was Hitler’s father and Ryan is a Martian on a mission to kill all poor people and incarcerate the elderly (except the RICH elderly … of course).
Even though not many people believe me outside of this “National Memo” forum, I have the consolation that sooo many of the “National Memo” contributors (like you guys – thank you) DO believe me …

http://twitter.com/Eduardo19575044 Eduardo Gonzalez

I can see how the Ryan plan can be a huge economic boon for Swiss and Cayman Island bankers. For middle class Americans, it’s just one more economic shaft curtesy of the GOP.

Edsanjuan

Eduardo: You are the only dumb Ed I know. You are incapable of recognizing “one more economic shaft” (as you say) even after having one for 4 years now??!!
Let’s get rid of the socialist Obozo !

oldtack

Hey Juan,
I’m worried about you come election day. Eduardo San Juan? Sounds Latino to me. Under this voter purge you had better ensure you have all of the required ID when you go to the polls.

In my part of this country you are a prime target as are all citizens with Latin names. If you don’t meet the scrutiny at the poll you will be on your way out of the country in a flash.

Meanwhile

Adios and hasta la Vista.

http://profile.yahoo.com/GTGRBI7XN67J5WFW5EPZITSIIM BILL

Ryan will run the country just like Chaney did with Bush.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YRH6W2E7S63GVJTFB7QA6TP4CI Joseph

WTF America, how many asscrack Republican messes are we going to cleanup with our savings,college and retirement money?Nothing ever trickled dow to us ,we just kept getting pissed on by one group of idiots after another.Lest we forget Uncle Ronbo Reagan started this shit and left the whole country in the same mess he left California in.But hey the Republicans and their brown nosing religiouse pals and foreign traitors from Mexican cartels that have Univision,Ktel,Fud,and such dont care about anything except sucking money away to their bank accounts out of country.You may not like Obama,but the alternative is destruction and civil war for our country,which is what China wants, thats why they support internal terrorists groups here.

WhutHeSaid

You mean like the Taliban Emulating Americans (TEA) Party? Do they get funding from China?

Edsanjuan

WhutHeSaid: There you go again, asking a stupid question about a stupid, unfounded statement uttered by another ignorant “contributor”.
Yeah, the Chinese …. AND Michelle Obama was a World War I spy ….
Oh, and did you hear? Romney and Ryan actually think that the USA can not keep taxing and spending ourselves into OBLIVION (look up the word, WhutHe). Are they crazy ??? !!!!

Edsanjuan

Joseph: You are a basket case, but I will still correct you and try to set you straight:
President Reagan saved this nation of ours from the mis-management and “malaise” (remember the word? I’m sure you don’t …) of Jimmy Carter, the SECOND worst president (after the socialist Muslim Obummer).
You Leftie nutjobs should kiss the ground Reagan stood on.

oldtack

Reagan was what Reagan was – a two bit actor in Hollywood and a two-bit hustler in Washington. How many times did he raise taxs? What was our National Debt in January1980 and what was it in Jan 1989?

And he did not tear down the wall nor did he make Gorbachev tear down the wall. The decision to tear down the wall was made in the USSR by the USSR government. This information was passed to the white and the two-bit actor gave his “holly wood” speech – after the fact. Go read your history.

And be alert on election day. Don’t get caught by any of these people that don’t like those with “furrien” sounding last names. Some of these radical Christian idiots might reincarnate the Lynch mob frenzy in the name of Almighty God! AMEN. And may the South Rise again.
WhutHeSaid

Guess what, dumbass — Reagan raised taxes 11 times. Reagan was vocal about the wealthy not paying a lower tax rate that the middle class.

I remember Reagan. He wasn’t the hero the right-wing bigots make him out to be at all — not even among Republicans. The only reason he’s thought of so highly today is because the GOP is totally bereft of capable leaders.

nhgal628

Hope a lot of people are reading this and paying attention!! DO NOT vote for R/R ticket if you value your life,liberty and the pursuit of your happiness!!!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-P-Doyle/1517044469 Christopher P Doyle

“Trickle down”, “Vibrant Economy”, “no Gov’t Regulations”. All proven Bushchit.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-P-Doyle/1517044469 Christopher P Doyle

Obama’s got it right in his TV ad. “we’ve had this all before, and it’s what got us into this mess to begin with”.
http://www.facebook.com/stephanie.parks.568089 Stephanie Parks

Has anyone thought that underlying this whole Republican scam is an unspoken promise that says something like, “We blocked Obama, but reinstate us and we will pull out all the stops and let America grow again. But you have to put us fully in charge or we will continue to hold everything back.” On the other hand, throw them out and give President Obama a cooperative Congress, and let ideas prevail that have already worked for the benefit of the country — it seems like a fellow named Bill Clinton left the presidency with a surplus and a booming economy. Bush, not so much.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-P-Doyle/1517044469 Christopher P Doyle

Business w/o Government Regulations=Piracy. THAT’S what brought this great nation to it’s knees when Bush finally destroyed our economy in 2008.
http://profile.yahoo.com/RGOUPZ3JYNMPBVOHLZRCRVRD6Q ivory69690

the evil christ romney dosent want the sit in the house . he knows he cant make money being the Pres. like he can as he has. if anything he will lose money being pres. im sure he has a plan if he was to win the house and im sure the thing that would grow . is onlt his off-shore accounts. he ran because theres a way he is thinking how he can take a peice of what the ppl. that cave to him to run for Pres. some how some way he has an idea of a way to make money fron the ppl. that gave him money . look he already took a vacation on the ppl.s money went to the UK and to ISRE. on taxs payer,s money . who you think payed for that ?

Edsanjuan

ivory: First, learn to write.
And they let people like you vote ??!! That’s SCARY …

phantomoftheopera

if it hasn’t worked for the last 12 years, why does anyone think it will work now? knowing it was temporary, i would have thought all those who benefitted would have created jobs like crazy, showing it worked and should be permanent. but they didn’t, it hasn’t.
Randy4846

The Republicans believe that the ‘job creators’ don’t have to pay taxes, only the people who create the wealth for the wealthy. Electing the Republicans will be the end of America for the next 30 years.

Edsanjuan

Randy4846: You mean “re-electing Obozo will be the end of America for the next 30 years”…. RIGHT ??
DUH !

http://profile.yahoo.com/P3NXX7AD64NWRRT65INAEULVEU Don

So, as a retired person, do we lose all our benefits, Social Security, Medicare? With all that gone we won’t even have money to go in a nursing home. We will be out on the streets pandhandeling for money. I asm going to stay with oboma rather that this voodoo president.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OLT3BBICDAFJXQAHHKXXLJUCH4 Stella53

We’re done as a nation if Robme and the Medicare Eliminator, Paul Ryan, win the election. They will continue to look out for the wealthy (who are not job creators, since they have created very few jobs despite all the big tax breaks they got and still get and despite the fact the the tea party Congress ran on JOBS for the 2010 mid-term elections). Robme, Ryan and the GOP will sock it to the middle class. Low wage workers who don’t earn enough money to pay income tax will begin paying income tax while the wealthy will probably pay about 1% with all the big tax breaks they will contiue to enjoy. Oh, and get ready for the privatization of social security if the GOP takes back the Senate and keeps control of Congress. If you’re poor or middle class, no matter what you may think and feel about Pres. Obama, if you vote for the GOP, you’re voting against your own interests. America won’t be a better place for your children and grandchildren, it will be a bonanza for the wealthy, who have already done very, very well. When they talk about fixing the economy and debt for the sake of our children and grandchildren – they mean their children and grandchildren, not mine or yours. Your children and grandchldren and mine will be going to wars to defend the wealthy.
DirkVanden

i’m sure neither man will willingly talk about it, but the most amazing thing about the selection of Ryan for VP is that Ryan is Roman Cathoic. It is an unwritten pillar of faith in the LDS religion that Catholicism is “The Great Abomination,” and one of the reasons for Mormonism’s existance was the restoration all those Christian Values that the Catholics had lost, over the ages. Mormons believe that Catholics are bad guys. Surely Mitt is having problems trusting the man his people selected for him. He NEVER would have selected an RC on his own.

My guess is that it will soon become evident that Ryan should be running for President and Mitt for VP; intellectually, Ryan can run rings around Romney & make him look as simple as he is.

Romney already knows he has lost the election & needs a miracle to save him. Ryan is supposed to be that miracle. How ironic that a Mormon is depending on a Roman Catholic miracle to save his ass–he hopes!

Edsanjuan

Dirk: And intellectually, Joe Biden can run rings around Obummer & make him look as simple as he is. Of course, NOT because the buffoon Biden is any good, but because Obummer is completely clueless …

DirkVanden

They’re all clowns, of one variety or another. Politics has become an Entertainment.
Everything has become a popularity-contest based on billions of dollars of advertising. You have to choose the least dangerous of them to try to run the country.
A huge plus for Obama is that he has Bill Clinton as his advisor.
ObozoMustGo

Ed… why do you think I call the moron in chief, “Obozo”???

Have a nice day!

“The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

metrognome3830

Hey, OMG, your job is to demonize and destroy the lefties, not encourage people like Ed. He can’t help you.

ObozoMustGo

Hi Metro… I hear you, but sometimes they ARE one in the same, my friend.

Have a great day!

“The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.” – Ronald Reagan
metrognome3830

OK, I guess you’re right buddy, carry on!

Have a great day!

metrognome3830

If he was any more clueless than you he would be comatose.

http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

metro: Har, har, har!!
You ARE funny !
Come November 6th, we will know who was really comatose …
See ya!

metrognome3830

You’re right about that. Once it’s over we all have to live with the outcome. Then we can get down to criticizing the winner’s performance or lack of. Ain’t politics grand?

Have a great day!

http://www.facebook.com/bobwms Robert A. Williams

To me, the easiest way to debunk Ryan’s budget plan is to compare it to Obama’s budget plan.

What? Obama doesn’t have a budget plan? Never had one?

Never mind.

ObozoMustGo

Robert….. bwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

ROFLMAO!!!!

Have a great day!

“The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.” – Ronald Reagan

notopoliticsasusual

so let me see if this is right, he supports cut taxes and cut spending for a smaller government. On the other hand, which this article does not say, Obama wants to raise taxes and increase spending, put medical care under control of the Government which will create an even bigger government. Obama claims that he will reduce the deficit by half yet his health care bill the so called Obamacare will increase spending exponentially. I think that we need to redo the whole tax structure. The rich owe a third of their income on paper yet with loopholes such as all sorts of deductions they pay less than middle class. I think if we reduce the percentage from the thirties to say around 20 percent and eliminate all the loopholes that the rich use to reduce payments the overall result will be a net gain. FYI I am actually an unemployed student so I am not a rich person advocating the changes. I have not seen his plan but do know that the best way to fix this country and fix our government is to reduce both taxes and spending, not only the US government but also in my home state of New York. NY has problems that are caused by the tax situation.

ObozoMustGo

Not… you are wise beyond your years. Most of your classmates are fleabagger Occupy Wall St. types and indoctrinated leftist drones that have no clue how the world actually works. I am encouraged to see that you have made it through college and still think for yourself. Kudos to you! Keep it up and do not be corrupted into believing that your, or anyone else’s, life problems can be cured by politicians taking more of working American’s earnings. It is a lie! Clearly, they have taken in 10s of trillions of dollars and spent that plus $16 Trillion more, and we have more social problems than we have ever had. Read the Constitution. Read the Federalist Papers (or modern English translation thereof).

Keep your head up and keep searching for a great job. The job goes to the most positive and passionate candidates. I know… I do hiring.

Have a great day!

“The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.” – Ronald Reagan

notopoliticsasusual

Not sure about that, I am 42 though pursuing a MSIA. R u hiring entry level IT? I have a BSIT/DBA

ObozoMustGo

not.. no wonder you’re not an OWS fleabagger, you’ve grown up believing America is good. About the job… not hiring any IT people. sorry about that. I am in the energy business and do mostly scientists and engineers. Post your resume everywhere, update it once a week, put your email in your LinkedIn profile, and network your butt off, big time. And keep the faith… we’re very close to getting rid of the Marxist in the White House… hang in there… things will be better once him and the mooch of a wife of his are gone.

Have a great day!

“The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.” – Ronald Reagan

metrognome3830

When did he say that, OMG? Just before he raised taxes again?

Have a great day!

oldtack

If you listen to Romney’s rhetoric today these things are evident:

1. He has no clue on how to effect any of his proposals.

2. In desperation he opted for the Republican radical Ryan as a running mate.

3. In today’s speeches he is adopting completely, the agenda that has been formulated by the Radical wing of the Republican party for the past four years.

If Romney/Ryan is the victor in November then in January every bit of the Republican proposals of the last four years will be enacted because they will have control of both houses and the Presidency.

I don’t know the definition of this unholy alliance here in the States but, down in Cuba and Venezuela and Nicaragua the working people call this a Dictatorship.

Reminiscent of The Third Reich.

Hitler-Himmler
Romney – Ryan

Signed pledges and vows to walk lock-step with the PARTY.

Does history repeat?

Edsanjuan

Oh man, oldtack: What happened to you? Did you fall 6 feet from your crib to the concrete floor when you were a baby??!!!
Read the idiocies that you write !

ObozoMustGo

Ed… Oldtack is actually a very nice old man. But there is no denying that he’s about dumb as a box of rocks!

Have a great day!

“It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.” – Ronald Reagan

metrognome3830

Now that was uncalled for, OMG. You call Oldtac “dumb as a box of rocks” and congratulate Edsanjuan. Ed couldn’t find his ass if he used both hands. Quit picking on old guys.

ObozoMustGo

Metro… I have been scolded… shame on me! I do like oldtack, though. He and I have had some exchanges. Objectively speaking, he could use an upgrade in his cognitive abilities…. shoot! there I go again… dang it… darn it…. ding dang darn it!!! Sorry!

Have a nice day!

“The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.” – Ronald Reagan
metrognome3830

I understand, OMG. When one is an incurable smart-ass it’s difficult to control those responses. Who would know better than I.

Did Ms. OMG enjoy her evening out?

Have a great day!
ObozoMustGo

Ahhhh Metro… shame on me… I feel shame… Mrs. ObozoMustGo had a good time. Kids wanted to come, so we brought them too.

Have a great day!

“I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” – James Madison
metrognome3830

No you don’t! Neither would I! Back in my newspaper days we had a SA Award. The cartoon artist drew it – a horshoe shaped wreath with a horses’s rear quarters framed inside the wreath. Quite lovely. It was awarded to the person with the best smart-ass remark of the week. I won it so often I was eventually given the award permanently. Now, if I had had you for competition, I would have had a much more difficult time winning.

I’m glad you and the family had a good time.

Have a great day!
ObozoMustGo

Metro… thanks for compliment… I think!?!?!?!?!? hehehehehe

You’re the best lefty friend a conservative guy could have, Metro. I luv you man!!!

Have a great day, my friend!

“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.” – Alexis de Tocqueville

oldtack

Obozo -haven’t heard from you in awhile. Hope life is fine.

I do take umbrage with your post though. Now I like the nice part and I overlook the dumb as a box of rocks part since that’s probably my description of you at times but -putting that OLD part in there was totally uncalled for. Geez! I’m not past 80 yet!

Go have a good day and fell a little remorse for this unkind cut. Old indeed !

Tack

ObozoMustGo

Old… How are you today my friend? You know I was just looking for a rise out of you, don’t you? hehehehehehehehe I mean, aside from the basic truth that to be a lefty you do have to have a few screws loose…. I’m just sayin…

Have a great day, Old!

“The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

oldtack

Hey Sanjuan,

Better go back and read your idiot post so you can understand the response.
Check the last 31/2 years. Check everything the Rep House has proposed and had blocked by the Senate. Don’t automatically cuss those damn liberals. Digest the content and long term effects of the proposals.

These Rep proposals are fully backed by Paul Ryan. All through the past months Romney has attacked and belittled Obama but he has never proposed a plan to correct all of the “Ills” of the present Administration.

He chose the darling of the Rep Party as a running mate and now he has an agenda – Paul Ryan’s agenda. If he is successful and becomes the 45th President it will be the Rep proposals of the past four years that will be passed. Sort of like the Administration of GWB. He labored under the assumption that He was the chief when -all along- Cheney was the leader. GWB was just a Poster boy. If this comes down as well may it be – Ryan will be the leader. Romney will be another GWB.

Stop and think for a minute about your new party.

A drive for all all Senators and Representatives to sign a pledge to support the Party which most of them accepted and signed. They no longer represent the constituents of their Districts but the agenda set forth by the Party. Those not abiding by this principle are being targeted and driven from office.

Is this true representation or blind obedience to the Party?

That pledge means you will walk Lock-step with the Party or be driven from your place in Congress. Where is your inductive reasoning? Where is your responsibility to represent those masses that sent you to Washington to represent them? You no longer possess these rights – you are a “slave” to the dictates of the Party.

This is a grave danger regardless of what Party requires it. This has happened many time throughout history. It spells disaster to any who embrace it. Do you remember Lenin Russia? Do you remember Nazi Germany? These same requirements were a requirement in those regimes also. Do you know what happened to both regimes?

One cannot fulfill the duty of Senator or Representative while bound by these restrictions that nullify free thought and expression.

Go think it over and have a nice evening.
metrognome3830

What are you asking Ed? You want Oldtack to read them to you? I wondered if you could read. Apparently not.

http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

metro: Funny again ! That’s good. Keep up the good work and thanks for giving my posts so much (undeserved but appreciated) attention …
Tomorrow I’ll write some more so you can correct me and put me in my place, ok?
(hee, hee !)

metrognome3830

Hey, you’re more fun that I though you would be Eduardo. I love a good sense of humor, no matter what side of the political spectrum it comes from.

Have a great day!

imabrummie

Hi Oldtack,

You equate Mr. Bendyboots (Romney the Retard) and his puppetmaster (Paul the Plonker) with Hitler and Himmler. Would Dumb and Dumber be more appropriate? and then again how would you describe anyone subscribing to their theories of economics . . . Dumberer?

CAThinker

Easy there… I already used Dumber and Dumberer somewhere in this thread… But I like the way you think…

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KCS3Y6VPV2ZQPEWGGZLPSKQI7M Maynard

Nobel Prize winning economist, Joseph Stiglitz, points out that the top earners will invest where they can get the highest retrurns like China and Brazil. NOT here.
I am going to look for his statement. When, where, etc.

oldtack

Maynard
you don’t need the word of Stiglitz. This is basic Economics. As long as there is no market for their product no astute Businessman is going to invest in manufacturing and hiring in this Country. They will invest and expand businesses where the market is and that happens to be overseas.

To create jobs and get this Country out of this depression/recession steps have to be taken to overhaul our tax structure and entice Business Enterprises to move their operations back to this country.

I do not subscribe to the cut and burn philosophy prevalent in the GOP but it is or should be the prime focus of the Government to change our Tax structure, close loop holes and look very closely at entitlement programs with the aim of curtailing or eliminating the bad ones and revising procedures on those deemed necessary (by both parties) to remain in effect. We are drowning in pet projects and revisions to existing procedures from both parties. It needs to be overhauled.

If we do not act on this and act promptly – to paraphrase a quote from H. Ross Perot – the next sound we hear will be the swooshing sound of our economy flushing down the toilet.

http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

You see, oldtack? You ARE capable of, once in a (looooong) while, saying something that actually makes sense…. are you ready to admit that you like me a little and that I have frequently “enlightened” you (as now)??

oldtack

Ahh Eduardo what can I say? As for me – it’s 2300 hours and I am going to close shop and call it a day. Have a good tomorrow.

tack

ijac234

Picking Ryan as VP candidate is like Bush picking Cheny as VP.Ryan has never seen a buget fight he will lose that he did not like as Cheny has never seen a war he did not like.Ryan will somehow make a lot of money if he gets in like Cheny made a lot of money for the Igaq war.If people want to see this country go to hell vote for Romney/Ryan ticket.
CAThinker

I haven’t read all of the comments to see if anyone else said it, but in case nobody hasn’t – this is a good example of what has been a good working definition of insanity. Doing the same stupid thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Bush (the younger – the dumb one) gave them the tax breaks – where are those jobs? Those tax breaks were extended by Obama – and still the job creators sat on their hands. The conclusion is that letting the wealthy keep their wealth to create jobs is a fantasy that only the wealthy believe. So, the right wing nut-jobs here advocate maintaining the insanity at their own peril – these morons advocate an approach that is detrimental to their own interests and the interests of those like themselves. Where in any of that does it make sense? And still they denigrate the people that don’t agree with them…
nomaster

The idea of trickle down anything is someones wet dream, so goes with another Republican vision by Willard the Ratman and his co-hort Ben the Rat Ryan. Nothing can beat this one. They will use the same old republican bag or tricks and call it the greatest economic infusion or should it be desaster. Medicare, what medicare after they finish with.
http://profile.yahoo.com/XWNK5E33OIFUMQVAGQQA7GDM2M Bigspender

How does anyone take this guy seriously? He lives in a fantasy world.
http://www.facebook.com/streid1945 Stephen Reid

I think Obama has Voodoo this Economics in his first term 4 years, Ryan hasn’t started yet!
Arvid123

Another example of how the Republicans work hard at achieving their idiotology while the Democrats deal with what is.
ayayaboy

Ryan is even more dangerous with his voodoo economics to ordinary people.
oldtack

I was gibing on proper Id but – I do have a concern with the temperament of many of our citizens toward Latino Citizens. The wild rhetoric concerning undocumented residents (commonly called illegal aliens) has so inflamed some people in this country that they tend to lump all Latinos (in my area we use the word Chicano) in the same basket so to speak regardless of whether they be Citizens or not. This election will be ugly in some areas and I don’t want any of my Latino friends to be harmed. I hope this “hatred” doesn’t overflow into your voting area.

Tack
http://www.facebook.com/terry.brennan.334 Terry Brennan

WhutHeSaid speaks for all the intelligent people who actually know the difference between right and wrong and the stupid proposals by the morons currently running the GOP.
daniel bostdorf

First of all…Fern, DLJONES and Joan….give all of us a break from the ridiculous personal attacks and posts that are distracting, and frankly, a pathetic response to Joe Conason’s inspired article.

Now-back to Conason’s article…and its points.

The problem with Romney-Ryan-teaparty is that they have absolutely no sense of socio-ecomonic theory and history about what this country has been through since the “great depression.”

Will Rogers stated during the Great Depression that: “money was all appropriated for the top in hopes that it would trickle down to the needy.” Later on, the bizarre theories of David Stockman et all is what we called “Reaganomics.”

Today—we have the “same old-same-old” completely discredited “trickle down-voodoo economics” back as the Romney-Ryan-Teaparty economic salvation for this country.

For once, I hope that the American voters will finally, and once and for all, reject Romney-Ryan-Teaparty economic and societal right wing fascism that they are trying to impose upon us.
onedonewong

Guess when Barak picked Joe Biteeme he endorsed dumb and dumber
onedonewong

Yep the same guy that did BETTER in the recall than the 1st time he ran. Once again all the state run media polling claimed he was toast.
As usual rasmussen was the only poll to call the election correctly
onedonewong

Yea Barak’s only diploma from Harvard was in Air Guitar
onedonewong

and Joe Biteeme charges the SS $20k a year to rent his cottage to protect him??

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