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Wednesday, October 26, 2016

Chances are that when the GOP inevitably capitulates, the vote to end the government shutdown will be surprisingly one-sided.

And what with 72 percent of voters in a Quinnipiac University poll saying they disapprove of the shutdown, the retreat almost can’t happen soon enough to save the Republican Party from the charlatanism of Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) and screwball allies like Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN).

Writing in the Washington Examiner, the well-connected conservative columnist Byron York estimates that as many as 175 of the 233 House Republicans are prepared to support a “clean” budget resolution stripped of references to the Affordable Care Act.

Embarrassing? Definitely. Beaten by Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) and President Obama, two weaklings they’d seen as sure to back down. An object lesson in believing your own bull…, well, your own propaganda.

However, there’s also safety in numbers. The fewer diehards holed up in the Tea Party’s self-constructed Alamo, the hollower their accusations of cowardice and treason will sound to sane GOP voters come the 2014 primary season.

For what it’s worth—the story is characteristically unsourced—Politico reports that “Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) has privately warned House Republicans that they could lose their majority in 2014 as a result of shutting down the government.”

Well, no kidding. Parsing the Speaker’s evolving public statements, York suggests that he may be leaning toward allowing a vote on a clean resolution sooner rather than later—something Boehner could have done weeks ago if the gentleman had a spine.

Exactly how the third most powerful figure in the U.S. government found himself backed into this humiliating position is a matter of conjecture. With people throwing around Neville Chamberlin analogies of late—the British prime minister who bargained away Czechoslovakia to Hitler for an illusory peace in 1938—Speaker Boehner definitely qualifies for a dishonorable mention.

Because, you see, contrary to the hoary conventions of Washington journalism, this made-for-TV crisis has never really been a sign of “partisan gridlock” or any such thing. Even my own gibe about Republicans losing to Harry Reid and Barack Obama above is somewhat misleading.

The real fight hardly involves Democrats, one reason Reid’s had little trouble keeping the Senate majority in line. “As a matter of politics,” James Fallows writes in The Atlantic, “this is different from anything we learned about in classrooms or expected until the past few years. We’re used to thinking that the most important disagreements are between the major parties, not within one party; and that disagreements over policies, goals, tactics can be addressed by negotiation or compromise.

“This time, the fight that matters is within the Republican Party, and that fight is over whether compromise itself is legitimate.”

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  • Lynda Groom

    ‘Constitutional Coup.’ That is the best description of what has happened this week in our nations capital. A shameful display of childish behavior brought to its maximum in insanity and in living color. If it was the Democrats who were behaving this way during a republican administration calls of treason and alike would be filling the airwaves. It is embarassing to see that we fallen so far in the eyes of the world. All of this American exceptionalism rhetoric has just been put to the test…and we are failing. Our so-called leadership is looking rather third world and all of this is self-inflicted.

    • latebloomingrandma

      Exactly! All this chest thumping over our exceptionalism makes us look foolish indeed, when the democracy currently on display is anything but. As we wage wars to spread democracy, what country would want to emulate this?

      • highpckts


  • Dominick Vila

    Have you all considered the possibility that there may be more to this shutdown than the rejection of Obamacare and destroying President Obama’s legacy? It would not surprise me if one of the elements influencing the latest “coup” involves an attempt by the Tea Party, under the leadership of Sens Cruz and Rubio, to take full control of the GOP or create a third party, initially at the expense of the GOP, which would have no choice but to move to the center-right with whatever is left of it to survive.
    The whole thing is so well staged that I think it is naïve to believe that this was a spontaneous or last minute decision to stop a government program passed by both chambers of Congress, signed into law by a President, and ratified as constitutional by the Supreme Court. Seeing the likes of Michele Bachmann hugging WWII veterans at the WWII memorial does not look like it just happened while she was taking a stroll at the Mall. This whole thing as been carefully planned and it is being executed according to plan and with specific goals in mind.
    Repealing ACA, dismantling MEDICARE, privatizing Social Security, getting rid of MEDICAID, Affirmative Action and what is left of welfare, and reducing the size of the Federal government to a fraction of what it is today is the centerpiece of the Tea Party agenda, and they know they cannot achieve their goals without taking control of the GOP and getting rid of their more moderate cousins. Boehner is not the problem, the problem is the Tea Party and their agenda.

    • bernieo

      Don’t be fooled. The things mentioned in your last paragraph – privatizing SS, reducing Federal gov’t (except for the military), etc. have been the goal of the mainstream of the Republican Party since Reagan. Reagan was not kidding when he said government was the problem, not the solution. The Tea Party is using more extreme means but the goals are the same.

      As for Boehner. I am sick of people saying he is reasonable. He was one of the leaders the last time they tried this.

      • Dominick Vila

        Boehner is not reasonable, and he is neither a courageous nor an effective Speaker. Part of the problem is that he lost control of his caucus, and that at this point he is more focused on saving the GOP and his Speakership, than handling his job responsibilities and the expectations of the American people. He is fighting for survival.
        Yes, the GOP has tried to stop and/or undermine all the items I cited above, but what is happening now is much more pervasive than what we have seen in the past. Their multiple goals at play, ranging from ending what the GOP believes are expensive and ineffective social programs, to the Tea Party seizing control of the GOP or becoming a third party if they don’t get their way. Boehner understands the dangers he is facing, not because he is a reasonable politician, but because he has no choice but to keep his party together or be blamed for being the Speaker whose ineptitude contributed to the disintegration of the Grand Old Party. BTW, the same goes for the likes of McCain, Graham and other senior politicians who have been conspicuous by their absence throughout this ultimate act of irresponsibility. Conservatives in the House and Senate are following the directions put forth by Sen. Cruz, and to a lesser extent Rubio.
        Some people blame President Obama for not meeting with congressional leaders to resolve this problem. The last time he met with Boehner, the latter promised he would not shut down the government to defund ACA…and we all know what happened. He is the Speaker of the House in name only, he is not in control of his caucus, and the shots are being called by two people whose priorities start and end with their political futures. Can anyone imagine President Obama meeting with Cruz and Rubio to resolve this problem? These two gentlemen were elected to bring down President Obama, obstruct his agenda, and destroy his record. What is happening suits them just fine.

        • Buford2k11

          It’s almost like the Koch boys and the rest of the extreme corporations want to control our government…Ya think all those meetings were for drinking games? ok mostly but look what has come out of those meetings…Starting with the Fab Five, and ending with the “red state” governors…

          • Dominick Vila

            They also want to control our lives, our heritage, and our destiny. The small government mantra only applies when it involves getting rid of things they don’t like, otherwise they will go as far as inserting medical devices in a vagina to determine whether or not their dictum is being followed.

          • CPAinNewYork

            We are getting closer and closer to a revolution, because the ultra right wants to eliminate democracy.

          • latebloomingrandma

            This would be a good time for a good investigative reporter to infiltrate Koch industries and see what’s really going on. Their tentacles are in this, but they have so much $$, which in our country =power, it would probably be quite dangerous to try to unravel this web.

          • Buford2k11

            Now, where can we find one of those? Tiabbi is busy…and the rest? Chuck Todd? just kidding…

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Corporations have always controlled our government. That’s why it basically takes an act of Congress for Joe Blow Average American to accomplish anything in life.

            It’s just that they haven’t been as visible as they have been lately, especially now that the Supreme Court basically gave Corporations Human rights.

            It wouldn’t surprise me, one of these days, they’ll start re-naming state names to the State of; Monsanto, IBM, Exon, etc.

          • CPAinNewYork

            They’re doing it with stadiums, which I find disgusting.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Hah, so do I, finding it disgusting also.

            I’ve been telling these sports fanatics for a long time that sports these days, especially professional, is big business, nothing more.

            These; Players, Team Owners, Stadium Owners could give a rat’s ass about the very people who support them.

            The only sports I support is Tennis and Golf and other single-player games which you strive to improve your own score, thereby possibly beating your opponent(s).

      • stcroixcarp

        Don’t be too sure that the tea party doesn’t want to privatize the military. Read Jeremy Scahill’s book Blackwater. It is a few years old now, but it will tell you the who and why behind the private armies who have been profiting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      • JSquercia

        As Rachael Maddow has often said Boehner is REALLY , REALLY Bad at his job .He is the worst Speaker I can remember and I am almost 80 years old

        • Dominick Vila

          I think that dubious honor belongs to Speaker Dennis Hastert.

    • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

      Oh, I would love to see the Tea Party attempt to show the courage of their alleged convictions. That would make almost every Republican held seat suddenly competitive. Why? Because the Tea Party would split the Republican vote along ideological lines, the more conservative following the TP, while the realists follow the Republicans. This means if Democrats represent something like 40-45% of the electorate in a district, they could end up winning the seat by capturing the most votes. Many states do not have provisions for “run-off” elections, so the Democratic Candidate with 40% of the vote would beat the Tea Party candidate with 25% and Republican Candidate with 35%!
      The problem with that scenario is that while the 40 or so current Tea Party caucus members of Congress would probably lose the election, close to 30% of the remaining Republicans could lose, giving the House Majority to the Democrats, and possibly creating a filibuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate. So it is unlikely that the Tea Party would do this as it would jeopardize their place as “Kingmakers” in both houses. Also, their ineffectiveness in Congress, being of a third-party, would probably result in their eventually fading away as they cannot bring any pork back home.

      • photojack53

        I would love to watch the Tea Party fools AND the GOP squirm as your scenario unfolds, which could be a distinct possibility.

        If intelligence and competency requirements were adopted before serving in the House or Senate, we’d see Republicans fail the test and drop like flies while the Democrats would retain their positions of sanity and GENUINELY serving their constituents and the best interests of our nation. The last slate of Republican presidential hopefuls is a VERY clear example of the kooks now populating that HORRID party!
        I DETESTthe way John Boehner, Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell, Eric Cantor and the rest are trying to SCREW the American public. They can’t defy their own constituent’s best interests and expect to stay in office. My solution is to IMPEACH them or remove them from office any way possible for VIOLATING their oath of office! Like with background checks for gun purchases, when 90% of ALL Americans and even 74% of NRA MEMBERS want this and their elected politicians deny the wishes of the electorate, they are not doing their duty to represent the people! They violated their oaths of office, plain and simple. We have solutions in place to deal with this! Write and sign petitions to remove these UNCONSCIONABLE fools, NOW!

    • CPAinNewYork

      You’re right regarding the staging. As soon as the shutdown started, Newsmax was loaded with postings accusing the Democrats of being the villain behind the shutdown. It was pathetically obvious from the similarity in the wording and the timing of the postings that this was a planned attack to attempt to shift the blame from the Republicans.

      For some reason, the attacks centered on Peter King, a Republican Congressman from Long Island, who appears to have incurred the Tea Party’s wrath.

      • JSquercia

        I am NO fan of Peter King who WAS my congressman until the past election when I was redistricted out of his District .That being Said he has been in the lead in criticizing his “fellow Republicans” of the tea Party stripe

        • CPAinNewYork

          I always liked King, but I don’t have a problem with Israel either.

          I especially liked King’s courage in telling people not to contribute to the Republican Party after they voted against Long Island’s receiving Hurricane Sandy aid.

          I’m a registered Republican, but I’m disgusted by their actions of the past five years, especially the actions of those Tea Party clowns.

      • LawProf414

        You are absolutely correct here. This is a classic “false flag” operation, where one side instigates a crisis, then blames the other side for it.

        We need a CR because we have no budget. We have no budget because Boehner has refused, for the last six months, to appoint members to a conference committee to iron out the differences between the House and Senate versions of the budget. (This instigates the crisis.) He’s hoping that people forget or don’t understand what he’s done to set this whole thing in motion. In hindsight, I’m starting to think the shutdown has been Plan #1 ever since the Senate adopted its version of the budget; the Rs think they can gain more leverage in the conference committee with the government shut down. That would also explain why the last gambit Monday night was to appoint House members to a conference committee, so they could blame the Senate for not negotiating.

        False flag all over the place. It is reprehensible.

      • charleo1

        Peter King called Ted Cruz a fraud. Interesting Grover Norquist
        said of Cruz, “He led the Republicans out into traffic, and wondered
        off. So…. What to make of that?

        • CPAinNewYork

          I don’t know what to make of Grover Norquist or what he says. Frankly, I don’t understand why so much deference is paid to him. I was surprised to learn that a number of Republican politicians actually signed a pledge to him promising to vote not to raise taxes.

          From where does his power emanate? He seems to be one of those “grey eminences” that are increasingly prevalent in the Republican Party.

          • charleo1

            Norquist is the poster boy for much of what’s gone so wrong
            in the American economy for the past 30 years. Over the years he has worked for Reagan. Who early on, played a vital role in making Grover Norquist the powerhouse in Conservative politics, and policy, he is today. Norquist was instrumental in putting the campaign money together for Bush 43 in 2000. And is now head of a non profit called Citizens for Tax Reform. He is essentially the mouth piece for a consortium of corporations, and wealthy individuals, that among other things, wrote the tax law, more commonly known as the Bush tax cuts. Norquist insists that Republican politicians, and candidates running for office, sign, “The Pledge.” That they will never under any circumstances ever vote to increase taxes. Or close loopholes, and repeal subsidies, unless those repeals are accompanied by equal reductions in the marginal tax rate.
            At this time, 95% of the Republicans serving in Congress
            are signers of Grover’s pledge. As were all but one of the Republican candidates for President in the last election.
            HIs formula is brutally straight forward. Don’t sign my
            pledge, and myself, and my very generous, “friends,” will
            back your opponent. Vote to raise taxes? We promise you
            the most expensive election you’ve ever had in your entire
            career. And we’ll win. An interesting side note. Back at the
            beginning of the year, the President beat the GOP in what
            the press dubbed, “The financial cliff, debates.” Which
            not only raised the debt ceiling, but increased taxes by 2,5%
            on incomes over 1 million dollars. Republicans forced with
            either letting all the Bush tax rates expire, or accept a small
            increase at the top. First called Norquist to explain their
            dilemma,, and ask if he would please not hold this aganist
            them. He gave his permission, and the bill was passed.
            That’s Grover Norquist.

          • CPAinNewYork

            Sounds like a typical rich piece of garbage to me.

          • charleo1

            I think garbage is a fitting title for people like Norquist.
            Especially at a time where the 400 richest, have more
            than the entire bottom half. Grover Norquist has dedicated
            his life to the cause of making the rich richer, and the
            powerful even more powerful.

    • elw

      I would not be surprised if you are correct. I have always said that the Tea Party is very dangerous. They are myopic radicals whose only agenda is their own. If they managed to gain enough control of the government they would fundamentally change how this Country looks and what it stands for. You are right about Boehner, he is not the problems; even the big money men who are funding the Tea Party will, in the end, not be able to control them. Everything about them mirrors the very same methods and propaganda that Hitler used in his rise to power – they are nothing more than a modern day Hitler or a Western version of the Taliban. They need to go.

    • TheSkalawag

      I think that the possibility of your hypothesis being true is nominal at best. My reasoning is that if there was a third party to come into existence purely out of the republican party neither party would exist for long. Their lack of numbers would make it impossible for them last long.

      • CPAinNewYork

        You’re wrong. The republican Party emerged in 1854 after Whigs became disenchanted with their leadership. Shortly thereafter, the Whigs disappeared.

        • TheSkalawag

          Am I wrong because you think that if the republican party was to split that one or both parts would survive?

          • CPAinNewYork

            I think that initially the Republican Party will be greatly reduced to simply the reactionary party of the super rich. In its place there will emerge a new party that reflects the views of the truly conservative, like me, not of the radical neoNazis like the Tea Party idiots.

          • TheSkalawag

            What I’m hearing is that you think the republican party is going to represent only the rich and die off doing it while the “New Conservative Party” moves in to fill the void.
            If that’s what you’re saying then I disagree.
            I disagree based on the fact the rich aren’t going to stand around burying their representation. They are going to replace it and they will go the party that they found most fertile in those willing to do their bidding. For a price of course.
            That is unless Citizens United can get revisited and overturned. If monster money can be kept out of the election process we all might have a chance of true representative government.

          • CPAinNewYork

            Since the demise of the founding fathers, we’ve had “true representative government” only once: during the great depression.

            The rest of the time our national government has been characterized by corruption by one group or the other.

          • TheSkalawag

            Such has been the interplay of man for all time. Profit or Passion.

    • jointerjohn

      You would have made a very good cop Mr. Vila, you take nothing for its face value and always look deeper. I too have speculated that these young pups on the republican scene, bolstered and emboldened by big money and the celebrity afforded them by the right-wing noise machine, may actually have it in their heads to launch a coup. Due to the complete ineffectiveness of House Speaker Boehner and Senate Minority Leader McConnell, they may have decided this is the perfect time to strike. The question in my mind is how hard the old guard may fight to keep the GOP label now that it is so tarnished it may be doomed. It is no accident that we are hearing not a single word from the old guard, I think they are remaining silent for a reason.

    • Faraday_Cat

      Yeah…no. I can’t personally entertain that notion after hearing Bachmann talk, and truly believing that she believes what she’s saying…among other examples. Sure, it could just be great acting…but it would be an awful lot of people acting awfully stupid, and the numbers just keep stacking up against it being planned.
      Obviously, I could be wrong…but I’m a democrat, so I will admit it if that’s the case…

      • omgamike

        Bachmann doesn’t care what people think about her over what she did today, as she is not running for re-election. When they decide to stand down they no longer care about political repercussions.

      • CPAinNewYork

        She may believe in what she’s saying, but she’s still a religious nut case. Did you read the one about her hearing God’s voice telling her to get a law degree?

    • mandinka

      Obama will never finish this term. He will be impeached just like Nixon but he’ll refuse to leave and in the end he will do jail time

      • MJRinPA

        A President can’t be impeached because you don’t like his policies. It would require proof of “high crimes or misdemeanors”.

  • Henry Avellaneda

    This is a matter of time and will happen much sooner than expected. These political terrorists are going to realize that they made a grave mistake in shutting down the government! In 2014 the results will be evident!

    • CPAinNewYork

      Hopefully, you are right.

  • nobody

    This is so obvious; many people have said they can smell the Alcohol on member’s of the GOP, these are the very same people who want to refuse their fellow Americans FOOD & demand drug testing rather then to put more money toward making sure every American is fed. Why the hell are you not Drug & Alcohol Testing them as they walk in the door?

    • roguerunners

      And you can rest assured that the American taxpayer paid for that alcohol. And that they don’t give a FAT, FLYING FROG’S FANNY ABOUT ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES!

      • mah101

        Kudos for the “fat, flying frog’s fanny”

        • roguerunners

          Yeah, one day I was about to say the F word while my Grandkids were in the room and it took those four F words to keep me from saying it! Now it has become the “go to” alternative for our family. 😉

    • CPAinNewYork

      Your proposal to test for impaired faculties sounds good to me.

      • nobody

        Not a “proposal” it’s a response to a “proposal” brought about by a bunch of hypocrites. They should not contest though because the business who would get the contract is one of their friends.

  • charleo1

    Since it’s very obvious, the T-Party has had shutting down the Government planned
    for some time. I seems logical they also have their next move planned as well. The
    T-Party caucus expects, and is prepared for the extreme pressure that will be exerted on them over the next few days, and weeks! They don’t hold all the cards, so some coalescing between moderate Republicans, (yes, they are there, just hunkered down,) and the Democrats, could happen. The problem there, is, their Speaker would like to be able to say at the end of the day, he was able to hold the Hassert rule in place. (Only brining to a vote those bills that are supported by a majority of the majority.) And obtain some token, face saving concession from the President, and Harry Reid. Thereby demonstrating he controls his House, and thus, remains in a position to bargain, and speak on behalf of his Party. A capability vital to his Speakership. The problem is, the T-Party has been able to show very clearly over the past several weeks, the ship carrying the Speakership of the House of Representatives, of the 113th Congress has sailed. And Congressman Boehner was not aboard. So we may have the remarkable, and unprecedented situation, of the government being shut down over healthcare, a looming, must pass bill to raise the debt ceiling, and no leadership to bring consensus in the GOP Party, to address either issue. So, the T- Party has been able to create the perfect storm. The coming
    together of those times when Congress must act, and pass legislation. And a vacuum of leadership at the top of the Republican Party. The word most used to describe their mood Sunday evening as they left a shuttered Capitol building, was giddy! Several in the press, gathering last minute statements for the morning news,
    reported the smell of bourbon was prevalent on most of the legislator’s breath.
    As they either celebrated their great accomplishment, or steeled their nerves, for the
    coming days.

    • CPAinNewYork

      Let’s be honest. The present day Republican Party is run by sleazebags.

      • charleo1

        I don’t disagree. But, maybe we should hope there are those with
        at least a modicum of integrity.

        • CPAinNewYork

          Ok, a “modicum,” but that isn’t much, is it?

  • Bryan Blake

    The Tea Party is merely the latest manifestation of another failed political ideology. It is apparent to me that the appearance of The Party is the direct result of the investment of tens of millions of dollars by the Koch brothers and their political allies. Right Wing Libertarianism is merely thinly disguised anarchy. Limited government that has as its purpose the protection of property rights and resolution of contracts is no government in that it cannot function except to devolve into full blown anarchy. The Tea Partiers are simply anarchist. For the present time they are limited to throwing metaphorical bombs within the lower chamber of Congress. But still their political bombs are having real effect upon much of our nation and the longer this terrorist siege continues the more damage our people will suffer.

    Mr. Vila, you are correct that the “Tea Party Coup” is an overt attempt to take over the Republican Party (and accelerate its devolving into pure Right Wing Libertarianism). Political purist at either end of the spectrum are extremely dangerous. Throughout history they have brought down mere nations and even empires. I do not know the Koch brothers and most certainly am not privy to their political plans and mechanizations. But with the Gift of Reason my mind sees a bright line marking the flow of the investment of untold millions of dollars to transform the Republican Party from that of mainstream American Conservatism to Right Wing Libertarianism.

    The current Tea Party coup is a success only in their home districts and in Kansas. These tricornered revolutionary wannabes have exposed themselves as the empty headed drones they are. But their political puppet masters will keep them on life support with lots of money. They will continue to be useful for throwing political bombs that will continue to shake the foundations of the Republican Party. If moderate Republicans do not find the political will to take their party back then it is doomed to become the creature of extremist right wing libertarians. Look at Wisconsin and other parts of the Midwest and what money has wrought. The fight has just begun and then again it’s the same old fight between those of great wealth and power and We The People! Are we to be serfs, peasants, poor and sick? Or are we to be a Free People with the basic rights of human beings to health care, education and jobs that allow us to rebuild the American Middle Class Lifestyle and a dynamic American economy? Contrary to assertions by Republicans, American exceptionalism has manifested and thrived only under center-left social and economic policies.

    The success of the Affordable Care Act will be but the latest signpost on the road to American Altruism which will bring the end to Monarchical Capitalism. The rebirth of Dynamic Capitalism with rules and regulations that allows equal opportunity for all to reap the fruits of their labor shall be our economy. A step forward into an equitable economy and the destruction of Monarchical Capitalism that has oppressed humanity for thousands of years.

    Thanks to The Tea Party, if We The People embrace altruism, our time shall be noted in US history as the full bloom of our founding documents. Jefferson’s self-evident truths shall be our prosperity. Even for those blinded by myth and superstition. The American Revolution has been interrupted for 200 years and now the time has come for it to resume with equality and the pursuit of happiness for all.

    • charleo1

      “Are we to be serfs, peasants, poor, and sick?” “Or, a free people, with the
      basic Rights of human beings…?” Basic Human Rights Indeed, Bryan Blake!
      Well said. I think we would all do ourselves a good service by holding uppermost in our minds, the fundamental causes in which we believe, and
      which we hold dear. That our values are not some outrageous, impossible ravings of a weak dependent class of shirkers, unwilling to take responsibility for our lives. We are the representation of America, as America, and Americans have always been. They are the usurpers. The enemies of democracy, and the rule of law. And we should not forget that. Not for even one second.

      • Bryan Blake

        charleo1: Great post! You have defined the essential ingredient in the combustion of the fire of the original American Revolution within those of us of the Center-Left: “… (taking) responsibility for our lives.” The Right Wing cry for individual responsibility is used merely as a ploy to eliminate any social safety net (except for corporations and the rich) and to vilify taxes at any level government. In their version of individual responsibility if it is taken for one’s life, then their is no need for taxes because of an expansive social contract between the government and We The People.

        Your description of individual responsibility is much more attuned to the visions of Jefferson and others in the Founding Documents. The social and religious conservatives like to say that the US is a “Christian Nation”. But nowhere in the Declaration Of Independence nor The Constitution is a God of any revealed religion mentioned. Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Thomas Paine and many more of the Founders were Deist. While almost all of them attended Christian Churches it was usually for the sake of appearances and “fitting in” with their community. The rule of the British Monarch included a very oppressive “state church”. There was not a “free exercise of religion” available to them as a right nor refuge. Thus the First Amendment.

        The Declaration of Independence is the most profound and beautiful political document written in recorded history. In the very first paragraph Jefferson states we have the right to break our yokes of bondage. He calls us to ” … to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station, to which the Laws of Nature and Nature’s God entitle [us] …”. Although Jefferson and many of the Founders were of the Colonial 1% they saw no problem in rebelling against the Monarch and his 1%. They suffered the abuses of King George as much as the common person although be it in greater comfort. Critics are right that the Founding Documents are Hypocritical, Elitist, Racist, Sexist and fall short of implementing the basic and full rights of its citizens. But Jefferson included We The People as fully entitled, by ” … the Laws of Nature and Nature’s God … “. His second paragraph clearly delineates that all men are created equal. That was a very radical, revolutionary and an extremely Leftist concept! Furthermore, that we mere commoners are endowed by Our Creator with “inalienable rights” was the ultimate and timeless rebuke to political and economic tyranny!

        A central tenant inherent in Jefferson’s preamble is not only that we must declare our rights and liberties but that for our “happiness” we must “pursue”, implement and guard them. That is the individual responsibility with which We The People are charged! The American Revolution was the quintessential Revolution of The Left! The claim by modern extremist conservatives that they are the modern spirit of the American Revolution is not only ignorant and misinformed but is downright deceitful!

        Jefferson knew that it would take more than years or decades to bring the American Revolution to its full fruition. One of the open fears of many of the Founders was that an American 1% would hijack the government and our economy. They were right. The 1% has spent most of the last 200 years aggregating their wealth and power while while seeking to deny us our rights given to us by Nature’s God.

        You are so right! We don’t need them nor their money. By taking responsibility for our rights under Founding Documents and expanding them our pursuit of happiness is no match for the Tyranny of the 1%.

        • charleo1

          Just a couple of remarks in agreement. Although I’m hesitant
          to reply to such a well crafted piece of writing, other than a
          hearty well said! But I must add, it is the spirit of Jefferson, and those men who took such incredible personal risk, to bring to fruition these earth shattering ideas, that you understand so
          well and bring back to life. For we know there was this moment
          that did take place. When this letter, this declaration, addressed to the most powerful man in the world, was presented to this group of intellectually gifted individuals. And the fact that the idea of the pursuit of happiness would have been valued enough, thought profound enough, to include in those Rights, those inalienable Rights, granted by The Creator! Continues to
          be a source of endless inspiration, and endless challenge, for
          the Republic they were soon to found.

    • CPAinNewYork

      Excellent posting. I wonder who the idiot is who voted down your posting. probably some Tea Party nut case.

  • howa4x

    Maybe it is finally going to happen that rational republicans are going to emerge from the ashes of the tea party bon fire. The fire brands who came here to destroy government, that they see as the enemy of the people, have had their moment in the spotlight. Instead of the upheaval they witnessed during the town hall meetings over the original health care law, they now view a public that is against their actions by a 72% margin. Gone is the spontaneous march on Washington by the tea party in opposition to the law. Where are they?
    Boehner miscalculated Obama’s move, thinking he would reach out to offer an 11th hour compromise but guessed wrong. Now he is in no man’s land. House democrats are sitting back and watching the show. They know that their numbers plus moderate republicans can easily pass a clean CR. The press knows that and so does everyone else. The very reason they committed this error, the ACA has already rolled out the door and hit the street and over 2.8 million people jumped at the chance to get insurance. Everyone knows this is a tea party venture and their dismal numbers will fall further. Soon they will exist only in rural America far from the action, in all white safe districts. For their actions they took they will never be a threat in statewide contests again. Now the public can see how dangerous the tea party really is, and that they are not there to govern but clog the wheels of government. They will stay a house phenomena and will hold senate seats in only the deepest red states in the country.

    • gmccpa

      Unfortunately, the press may know that a clean CR will pass….but do they report this. I’ve been watching CNN…and I don’t recall them mentioning that Boehner (at the behest of the Tea Party) will not allow a vote on a clean CR to even happen. They keep mentioning what may or may not ‘pass’….without mentioning that a clean CR was NEVER brought to a vote in the House. This should be the news. The House will not ALLOW a vote. This is the crux of the shutdown. Its that simple. If it comes to a vote..the shutdown ends in five minutes.

  • photojack53

    If intelligence and competency requirements were adopted before serving
    in the House or Senate, we’d see Republicans fail the test and drop like
    flies while the Democrats would retain their positions of sanity and
    GENUINELY serving their constituents and the best interests of our
    nation. The last slate of Republican presidential hopefuls is a VERY
    clear example of the kooks now populating that HORRID party!
    the way John Boehner, Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell, Eric Cantor and the
    rest are trying to SCREW the American public. They can’t defy their own
    constituent’s best interests and expect to stay in office.
    solution is to IMPEACH them or remove them from office any way possible
    for VIOLATING their oath of office! Like with background checks for gun
    purchases, when 90% of ALL Americans and even 74% of NRA MEMBERS
    want this and their elected politicians deny the wishes of the
    electorate, they are not doing their duty to represent the people! They
    violated their oaths of office, plain and simple. We have solutions in
    place to deal with this! Write and sign petitions to remove these

    • CPAinNewYork

      I won’t.

  • ObozoMustGo

    I have never heard
    this said as simply or as well.

    The folks who are getting the free stuff don’t like

    the folks who are paying for the free stuff, because

    the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer

    afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff.

    And the folks who are paying for the free stuff,

    want the free stuff to stop.

    And the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more

    free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting!

    Now… the people who are forcing the people who pay

    for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING

    the free stuff that the people who are PAYING for the

    free stuff are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

    So… the people who are GETTING the free stuff have been

    convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the

    free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay

    for their free stuff and giving them the free stuff in the first place.

    We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there

    are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the

    free stuff.

    Now understand this:

    All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere

    between 200 and 250 years after being founded.

    The reason:

    The voters figured out they could vote themselves money

    from the treasury by electing people who promised to give

    them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.

    The United States officially became a Republic in 1776,

    236 years ago. The number of people now getting free stuff,

    out numbers the people paying for the free stuff.

    Failure to change that spells the end of the United States as we know it.

    Have a nice day!

    A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!

    • Faraday_Cat

      You really do live in Opposite Land, don’t you?
      Taxes pay:
      BIG OIL 2011 to 2021 – $2,000,000,000 per year (subsidies alone)
      -benefit to taxpayer – none
      “Food Stamps” in 2011- $78,500,000
      -benefit to taxpayer – children not starving, ER visits reduced, etc.
      Just an example…

      • ObozoMustGo

        kitty… you must be sniffing the catnip a little too much. Where do you get your figures? Obozo’s propaganda site, media matters? Mother Jones? The $$ the US spends on Food Stamps is about $725 BILLION, not $78.5Million, you dope.

        Also, there are NO subsidies to that mean and evil ol’ BIG OIL. That is a lie that useful idiots like you just keep repeating as if it’s the truth when you have no idea what you are talking about in reality. What you useful idiots call “subsidies”, the rest of America that knows a single thing about business calls those thing amortization, depreciation, and in their industry, depletion. These are the same expenses against income that EVERY business takes. UPS depreciates trucks. USAir depreciates airplanes. Dow Chemical amortizes their factories and depreciates the equipment in them. So does the oil industry do the same. The fact is that the oil and gas business in America pays hundreds of billions in taxes and employs directly or indirectly millions and millions of people, and puts trillions onto the national GDP. It also happens to put gas in your tank and keep your lights on and your house warm, much of your clothes on your back, and your food in little containers in your refrigerator. If you don’t like those things, go live in the woods like an animal. Until them, STFU you stupid moron!!!

        Have a nice day!

        “In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other.” — Voltaire (1764)

        • jmConn

          You’re the dope…the SNAP bill this year is $75 billion. The higher figure you attribute to this year’s costs is a projection of the cost over the next ten years. That’s according to a Sept 19 article in USA Today.

          • ObozoMustGo

            JM… you are correct! I stand corrected. It’s not $75M as cat said, but $75B as you point out. I put the 10 yr. figure in. Sorry. Thanks for the assist.

            Have a nice day!

            “A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend
            on the support of Paul.” — George Bernard Shaw

          • CPAinNewYork

            Shaw was a self-centered asshole who despised Americans. He characterized us as “Boobus Americanus.”

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hi CPA… I know about GBS. He was an effing scumbag. But even as a scumbag, he had at least one thing to say that he was right about. I often quote HL Mencken and he was a scum, also. But some of what he said was both right and very funny. I even quote Obozo and I can’t stand him. Here’s one below. I suppose I am an equal opportunity quoter…. LOL

            Have a nice day, CPA! And stay away from byrdbrain.

            “Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel’s. It will be a strong friend of Israel’s under a McCain…administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel’s under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change.” –Amman, Jordan, July 22, 2008 — Baroke WhoIsInsane Obozo showing the world yet again what an idiot he is.

        • omgamike

          Obozo, the U.S. spent 80 billion on the food stamp program, not the 725 billion you stated, you dope.

          On subsidies, the following was taken from the Mother Jones website:

          Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan government watchdog that wants
          to cut all energy subsidies, estimates that oil companies will receive $78 billion in industry-specific and broader business subsidies from 2012 to 2017. President Obama’s budget plan for the 2012 fiscal year called for eliminating 13 subsidies or perks for oil companies, which will save taxpayers $4.6 billion a year over the next decade.

          We obviously disagree here, Obozo. So what else is new?

          • ObozoMustGo

            mike…. jmConn corrected my numbers below and I responded in agreement. That was the 10 year number I quoted, as is proposed right now.

            Regarding so-called oil “subsidies”…. there is no such thing. Those are accounting rules for measuring the declining value of their assets and the costs of exploration. Of course they are unique to that industry, in a sense, because no other industry, by definition, does exploration for oil and gas. Of course, the oil industry does not run airlines so they don’t get to depreciate airplaines as USAir does, right? While each industry may have unique assets and businesses, the fact is that they all of costs of doing business, costs of aquiring and using assets, and the accounting principles governing how those assets are used (that’s depreciated, amortized, or depleted for those of you morons out there that have no clue) are the same.

            Somehow I knew that idiot Faraday was getting his/her info from a leftist freak propaganda site like mother jones.

            Have a nice day!

            “When men once get the habit of helping themselves to the
            property of others,” warned the New York Times in 1909 about the proposed federal income tax, “they are not easily cured of it.’”

        • CPAinNewYork

          Kitty’s right. Bozo. Big business is the biggest user of the governmental tit.

          • ObozoMustGo

            I dont disagree with your assessment that big business gets corporate welfare. I think you know that from prior discussions. What I do disagree with is the lie that BIG OIL gets subsidies in the sense that is intimated by the continually repeated leftist propaganda. Here’s a link to a great article that explains it well.


            I think ALL welfare should be ended, except for the most needy among us. No one wants a granny or an invalid to go without assistance. It’s the permanent welfare subsidies going to able bodied and able minded that has to end. And there should be NO corporate welfare, government subsidies, or whatever to ANY business in any circumstance. This would end the influence of big business over politicians when they know there’s nothing to gain. I know that’s fantasy world, but it’s worth acknowledging.

            Have a nice day, CPA!

            “Part of the secret of success in life is to eat what you like and let the food fight it out inside.” ― Mark Twain

    • Independent1

      I’m really suprised that you would be writing such a piece to denigrate your own Republican friends Obozo. But then again, you’re too clueless to realize that the vast majority of “THE FOLKS THAT ARE GETTING THE FREE STUFF” are in fact REPUBLICANS!!

      Just consider these statistics:

      Of the 456 counties in America which actually receive more than 90% of food stamp distributions: 421 of those counties voted for Romney in 2012.

      Of the 23 states that have more than 15% of their residents living below the poverty level – which are the folks who would be getting most OF THE FREE STUFF, 21 of those states have GOP governors and legislatures.

      Finally, of the 15 states that suck the most federal aid dollars from Washington for the amount of tax dollars they send to Washington, 12 of those states have GOP governors and legislatures.

      Every statistic you can come up with points to REPUBLICANS BEING THE FREE STUFF SUCKERS OF AMERICA!! So go right on and keep denigrating the folks that you’re supposedly trying to represent!! Just like a-hole Mitt Romney did before the election with his asinine comment about the 47% – most of which are REPUBLICANS!!!

      And here are some more free statistics for you – not only does GOP Governance policies turn people into FREE STUFF SUCKERS, GOP Governance helps people live shorter lives!! Isn’t that just great!!!

      All 15 of the states with the lowest life expectancy in the U.S. ARE GOP-RUN STATES?? Such that there is a large disparity in longevity between Red States and Blue States. Starting with lesser longevity projections of 75 in Miss., W. Va., Ala. & LA. , to 76 in: Arkansas, Kentucky & Tennessee to 77 in: S. Carolina, Georgia, Missouri, Indiana, Ohio & N. Carolina while no Blue State has a longevity projection less than 78. And many Blue states have
      longevity projected to 80 and over: N.J., N.H., Vermont, N.Y., Mass., Calif.,
      CT, Minn. & Hawaii?? (While only one red state has longevity projected to
      80 Utah (80.2), 2 Blue States have longevity projections of over 81 –Minn.
      & Hawaii) On average, people in Red States are projected to live to 77.6 years, whereas residents of Blue States are projected to live 2 years longer – to 79.7 years. Isn’t that just great!! Vote Republican so you can live two years less!!!

      • ObozoMustGo

        you smoking crack again, inde? Numbers never lie, and liars use numbers. You cite a bunch of bullsheet to try to make a point that has nothing to do with with what party a particular governor is from.

        Case in point: One of those states with a Republican governor is Michigan. However, MI has the unfortunate circumstances of having the DemonRAT hell hole called Detroit located within it’s borders. I guarantee you that the overwhelming majority of consumers of tax money (those are the mendicants) in that state are residents of Detroit. And so goes the same with the other states. The DemonRAT run cities are the overwhelming consumers of tax money.

        Here is some proof where actual political affiliations on a specific localized basis has demonstrable influence:


        City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level

        1. Detroit, MI, 32.5%
        2. Buffalo, NY, 29.9%
        3. Cincinnati, OH, 27.8%
        4. Cleveland, OH, 27.0%
        5. Miami, FL, 26.9%
        5. St. Louis, MO, 26.8%
        7. El Paso, TX, 26.4%
        8. Milwaukee, WI, 26.2%
        9. Philadelphia, PA, 25.1%
        10. Newark, NJ, 24.2%

        What do the top ten cities(over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

        1) Detroit, MI (1st on the list) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961.
        2) Buffalo , NY (2nd) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1954.
        3) Cincinnati , OH (3rd) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1984.
        4) Cleveland , OH (4th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1989.
        5) Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.
        6) St. Louis , MO (6th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1949.
        7) El Paso , TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.
        8) Milwaukee , WI (8th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1908.
        9) Philadelphia , PA (9th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1952.
        10) Newark , NJ (10th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1907.

        Einstein once said, ‘The definition of insanity is doing the
        same thing over and over again and expecting different results.’

        Of course, if you’re going to talk about life expectency, let’s look at the life expectency of blacks… which for 53% of them is NEGATIVE because they never make it out of the womb!!!

        Have a nice day!

        “The only defense against the world is a thorough knowledge of it.” ― John Locke

        • Independent1

          Sorry, Nice try but no cigar!! You can’t brush off the disaster that GOP STATE GOVERNANCE is by trying to sway the discussion to cities!! Cities are often disaster areas within themselves but they don’t dictate the nonsense policies that governors and state legislators often edict upon them.

        • Independent1

          I forgot to reply to your BOLD FACED LIE about Blue States being the biggest users of tax Money. How can that be when 14 of the 17 states that get less than $1 back from Uncle Sam for each tax dollar they send to washington ARE BLUE STATES. And all 10 of the states that get the least federal tax dollars back for each $ they send to Washington ARE ALL BLUE STATES.
          While more than 90% of the states that suck back more than $1.50 for each $ they send to Washington in taxes are Red States.
          Boy!! You can really sling the BS!!!!

    • latebloomingrandma

      Flush this man down the sewer he hates, yet still visits.

      • ObozoMustGo

        I’ll bet my house that you’re one of those getting free stuff. This is why what I posted pisses you off so much…. IT’S TRUE!!!!

        • latebloomingrandma

          Oh my gosh, you’re right. In the 1970;s I “took” 3 weeks of unemployment compensation, $90 per week, when our hospital was flooded. I don’t know about you, but my husband and i paid around $12,000 out of pocket this year for our healthcare premiums and deductibles. And our income is far less than $100,000 a year. Get ready to turn over your house. No freebies coming into this household.

          • silas1898


    • drzaius

      You are going to be very disappointed when your view of reality pops like a bubble.

      • infadelicious

        nice picture of the first wookie

        • ObozoMustGo

          I thought that looked like moochelle!

    • CPAinNewYork


      You shouldn’t even be here: It’ll just raise your blood pressure. You should go to Newsmax. it’s more to your style.

    • CPAinNewYork

      “Mendicant”. That’s a beggar, isn’t it?

      • ObozoMustGo

        CPA… clearly, you know what is meant by the term. And it does not mean service men and women. They are doing their duty, which happens to be the PRIMARY PURPOSE of the federal government. As to businesses getting welfare, didn’t you and I cover this in another discussion just this morning? I think we did. Go back and re-read.

        And if you think $21B in offshore dollars is a big deal to the US government, you’re sadly mistaken. In the time it takes me to write this and you to read it, they have blown $21B. If I was wealthy enough, I’d move money out of the US also. It’s a hostile environment for success anymore. Quite the contrary to what America has always been about. We used to aspire to success. Now, it is ridiculed by many on the left because the people getting free stuff are pissed at the people that pay for the free stuff. And the takers are being stoked by Obozo and the leftist freaks in control.

        Have a nice day, CPA!

        “If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” — Milton Friedman

        • CPAinNewYork


          It’s $21 trillion in untaxed offshore funds, not billion. You equate the untaxed nature of those funds as free enterprise? I equate it with government sanctioned tax evasion.

          The federal tax on that $21,000,000,000,000 at a tax rate of twenty-five percent comes to $5,250,000,000,000 or 5.25 trillion dollars.

          Another example of how the rich, through bought and paid for legislators, screw the American public.

          • ObozoMustGo

            CPA… you’re dead wrong on this one. First off, you’re the one that said $21B in your prior post, not me. Secondly, the number I’ve heard that is in cash out of the US held by companies is just under $2T, not $21T.

            Dude, you have to over this hatred of so-called rich people. You’re obvious jealousy and hatred for those you don’t know is not good for you. You’re not a stupid person, CPA, so don’t get sucked up into the class warfare hyperbole.

            Have a nice weekend!

            “You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.” — Abraham Lincoln

          • CPAinNewYork

            I said 21 Trillion. Stop trying to confuse the issue. If you want to accept $2 trillion, you’re free to that, but you’ll be wrong.

            As to my dislike of the rich: It’s based on the fact that the rich have a sense of entitlement and show utter disdain for the “ordinary people” of the middle and lower classes. That rubs me the wrong way. The rich are pursuing a policy of reducing our democracy to an oligarchic plutocracy run by potential tyrants like the Koch brothers, Grover Norquist, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, the entire Tea party and as yet unidentified rich people.

            I believe that they’ll be successful in their efforts, up to the point where their excesses cause an explosion and we have a violent revolution whose main objective will be to satisfy the mob’s blood lust and kill as many rich people as possible. It will be a situation very similar to the French and Russian revolutions. Like those revolutions, the short term result will be tyrannies.

  • mikem42

    It may be time for all normal Americans to head to Washington D.C., and march on the Congress to remove any doubt about our feelings. We are sick of being led down this narrow path being carved out by the Koch brothers and their sick and pathetic league of followers. Tea party my rear end. They are not a party, but a movement of anarchy, trying to rid the country of middle class workers, unions, health benefits, and any taxation on the wealthy. Their agenda does not work in favor of anyone, be they Dem or Rep., if they work for a living. The plutocracy is just like the robber barons of yore, and are more like King George was back when we fled England. He just wanted to dominate us, tax us, and mistreat us. That is what will come if we don’t fight this far right wing menace. St. Ronald Reagan started this, and Ted Cruz is trying to wrap it up for the right. It will get worse, I’m afraid before it is resolved, but resolved it will be.

  • foot814

    the extremist in the PIG’s party (sorry I meant GOP’s) attempt to black mail the President ( a black male) into giving them final say in policy making will all but insure a Democratic victory in 2016. they (the GOP) needs to remove the boil from their back-side that the TEA-party has become. as it festers and grows it infects the entire country.

  • IF the problem the Tea Partiers have is with ACHA & with gun restrictions, giving people their god given human rights etc. then all the GOP has to do is sponsor legislation to have their states secede from the Union.
    Trust me when I say NO ONE will stop them!
    The ‘red’ states suck up all the welfare, have all of the military bases, have the bulk of the manufacturing of weapons & other US military endeavors.
    So secede PLEASE! Then we can move our manufacturing & military bases out of the south & the other ‘red[neck]’ states & the GOP can rule over their subjects with an iron Nazi first of Jesus.

    • CPAinNewYork

      You don’t know much history, do you, shitty draws? The South tried secession in 1860. It didn’t quite work out for them. While they had a good tactician in Robert E. Lee, history has noted Lee’s strategic shortcomings, which eventually caused the South to be drained of resources and which strengthened the North’s resolve behind Lincoln.

      • You don’t quite get it;; back in the 1800’s they didn’t want the states to leave the union.
        In this current time we WANT them to leave, yesterday!
        NO ONE would oppose it except once the dumb southern rednecks figured out it was THEY that sucked up all the welfare & with leaving the US they’d have to make it on their own.
        The market can only handle so many red necked drunks selling guns & drugs for a living.
        SO…if the red states are sticking with the Union then they must surrender their firearms, we don’t trust people with guns that are borderline retarded.

        • CPAinNewYork

          Who’s “we”? I do not want to permit any state to leave the Union. My feeling is: If you don’t want to be in the Union, then leave the United States as an individual.

  • William Dale Stricklin

    Gene Lyons is a National Treasure! Arkansas must be proud to claim him.

  • mandinka

    Yea guess not paying your debts is the standard colored philosophy that barak brings to govt. He can’t help it, its engrained in colored at birth. Generating $10T in new debt in 5 years and asking the unborn to pay it back is the dem’s bible

  • Defend Liberty

    If we are to be free, our rewards must be determined by the usefulness of our abilities rather than subjective merit judgments by others.

  • Liberty: Coercion’s Absence

    Since liberty depends upon morality, liberty cannot survive where majority opinion favours the immoral plunder of some in the names of fairness, progress, and social justice for others.