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Thursday, March 21, 2019

WASHINGTON — The coming battles over budgets, the debt ceiling, a government shutdown and Obamacare are not elements of a large political game. They involve a fundamental showdown over the role of government in stemming rising inequality and making our country a fairer and more decent place.

Anyone who doesn’t see this should be forgiven. The stakes in this battle are almost always buried in news accounts about tactics and obscured by an unquenchable desire across the media to provide the latest take on whether President Obama is growing “weak” and has already become the lamest of lame ducks.

Yes, Obama has work to do in quelling doubts about his leadership. But little of what we’re hearing offers enlightenment as to why this big argument is happening in the first place, and why it matters.

To begin with, this is not just a fight between Republicans and Democrats. The GOP is clearly divided between those who take governing seriously — they still believe in government enough to accept responsibility for keeping it open — and those who see in every issue the “final conflict” that Marxists kept predicting. Stopping Obamacare, in their view, is necessary to prevent the country from reaching the end of the road to serfdom. Compared with this hellish prospect, who cares about shutdowns?

What’s fascinating, and this speaks to the perceived power of the Tea Party in primaries, is that it’s taking only a small minority of House Republicans to push toward Armageddon. The Washington Post’s Lori Montgomery and Paul Kane estimated that roughly 40 conservatives revolted against their leadership’s efforts to keep the government open past Sept. 30. That’s 40 in a 435-member House of Representatives. What’s become of us when less than 10 percent of one chamber of Congress can unleash chaos? What does this say about the House Republican leadership gap?

But it’s also important to understand why the Republican right is so fixated on killing or delaying Obamacare before it goes into effect. Their central worry is not that it will fail, but that it will succeed.

In an interview on Fox News this summer, Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX), a leader of the “stop Obamacare” forces, gave the game away. After ritualistically declaring that “Obamacare isn’t working,” he said this: “If we’re going to repeal it, we’ve got to do so now or it will remain with us forever.” Why? Because once the administration gets “the [health insurance] exchanges in place … the subsidies in place,” people will get “hooked on Obamacare so that it can never be unwound.”

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136 responses to “The Shutdown’s Real Goal”

  1. Dominick Vila says:

    The real goal is to be re-elected. GOP lawmakers from Southern states and the Bible Belt know that if they don’t take a stand against Obamacare they will be defeated by more conservative opponents. It is as simple as that. The catalyst that influence the political decisions of Republican incumbents is not national polls, which lean Democratic, but the ideological leanings of their constituents from far right districts and states.

    • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

      Dom, one thing to look at is the more conservative the candidate the Republicans in a general election, the more then alienate the Independents and even the moderate Republicans, especially those who may be dependent on some of the programs the extreme conservatives want to eliminate. You know, those useless programs like Social Security and Medicare.
      Based on the stated goals of many Conservative Republicans, I do not understand why anyone over age 62 is willing to vote for any of these guys, as they come right out and state they are opposed to the interests and very survival of individuals who are retired, and dependent on those programs because of programs enacted during the 80s and later that have allowed companies to gut their own pension plans and play havoc with their 401K plans.

      • gvette says:

        As usual. low information democrats. Barry care takes 202 billion out of Medicare. Don’t you people get tired of blaming everyone else, for Obama’s lies?

        • Buford2k11 says:

          Hey gvette, get thee behind me devil and return to the wing-o-shpere from whence you came…
          Signed…an educated and informed Democrat…

        • morbius777 says:

          gvette, right out of the John Birch Blue Book as usual. Move south… work on your secession.

        • ococoob says:

          202 billion??! Where did you get your facts?

        • JSquercia says:

          As opposed to the Republicans doing away with Medicare completely ala Paul Ryan

        • Charlie McKenna says:

          Gvette don’t you get tired of spewing the same disinformation from fix news, limbaugh beck and other right wing hate spewers? Everything you are saying is either disproven or mis represented. If you want to impress us show us some FACTS based on the truth. Not some half baked conspiracy theory from halfbaked conservative media idiots.

          • gvette says:

            it’s funny. All you Barry ass kissers just don’t get it…yet. Barry care is a job killer, and will destroy our country. You don’t need to answer back Charlie. I’ll just wait till this is fully in. then you’ll see.
            Enjoy your day…

          • Dominick Vila says:

            One of the consequences of ACA is going to be the need to INCREASE the medical staff to handle a larger number of patients. The exact opposite to what you claim. Yes, we will see, and that is precisely the reason the GOP is doing everything it can to avoid the full implementation of ACA, As soon as everyone is aware of its benefits, the program will enjoy the same level of support that Social Security and MEDICARE have.

          • gvette says:

            Good morning, Dominick,
            I guess the funny part is, I’m listening to the people, that are getting charged more for their ins. they have now. The co-pays are going up, and they may not be able to keep the doc. they like.
            Anyway, we’ll see. Enjoy your day!!

          • Independent1 says:

            That’s odd – you must live in a red state that’s refused to establish insurance exchanges. There are more than 20 states that are working on insurance exchanges and most of them are publishing health insurance rates that are down as much as 50%. Here’s an excerpt from an article Bloomberg published last July on just such exchanges in New York: (Notice that someone paying $1,000/mo today could enroll in a plan starting 10/1/13 paying around $308; and that plan is not only cheaper, but it includes a number of benefit enhancements their current plan does not.)

            The state approved plans to be sold by 17 insurers, including UnitedHealth (UNH) Group Inc. and WellPoint Inc., the industry’s two biggest carriers, according to a statement today by New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. The lowered rates mean that starting Oct. 1, a New York City resident who now pays at least $1,000 a month for insurance will be able to buy coverage for as little as $308, according to rates posted by governor’s office

    • gvette says:

      While I’m here. Good morning, Dominick. I hope all’s well with you!

    • HistoRet says:

      Dominick ~ I have a darker suspicion. I think CRUZ has only one serious objective. He wants to be rich as Croesus and never need to toil again. We can be sure he is an amoral cynic by simply looking at the clients whose cases have made him fairly wealthy already. By marketing the notion that HE and HIS plan can end the ACA, he can in a few months scam his irrational and largely brain-dead echoes into making him very rich indeed and can gain the devotion of said misled moneybags to keep him rich forever. If power is important to him, as well as money, he may want to climb the political ladder, but I suspect he would settle for a life of lazy luxuriating. He is not stupid, but he is terminally untrustworthy, totally without a conscience or empathy with humanity.

  2. Annemb says:

    Thank you Mr. Dionne for a very enlightening article.

    Blessings…

  3. medford_resident says:

    Dionne is a liberal clown with no grasp on reality. What this showdown is about is stopping this abomination called obamacare that most americans are realizing will destroy both our economy and our wonderful healthcare. Don’t think so, ask any doctor.
    Idiots like dionne thing we can just keep borrowing money endlessly. the chinese have stopped buying our bonds and we’re now buying our own. Thats not even possible. we are now living in a fake economy. One rattle in confidence and we’re done. But idiots like dionne continue to prattle on about income inequality. We have income inequality because the idiots in washington have driven corporations off to other countries. This isn’t the corporations fault, this is washington’s fault.
    What this country needs to clean up this mess is for ALL Americans to pay federal income tax, not just the top 50%. Once the bottom feels the pain of their idiot vote, this country will right itself overnight.
    The successful are not your enemy, washington is.

    • FT66 says:

      The country is not called a country if its people are dying because they miss their necessity like healthcare. Whether you borrow money or you use what you have on hand, you are doing it in the name of the people you have. There is something which is missing in a lot of peoples thoughts. People make the government. Without people the government will never exist.

      • medford_resident says:

        right. and once the bottom 50% start paying taxes again like they once did, we’ll be a country again. One that makes intelligent decisions based on ALL of us contributing. As it is, there’s too many people who vote for more things because they know they won’t have to pay the bill.

        • TZToronto says:

          It works both ways. You have people who vote Republican because they think their taxes will drop like a rock and they won’t have to support the government, which they see as ineffective. . . . Good luck avoiding the potholes.

          • medford_resident says:

            no, we actually have people voting republican because its completely unfair for some of us to pay 39% while almost half of us pay nothing. This has to do with ALL of us supporting the government, not just the productive.

          • TZToronto says:

            Using that logic, it’s unfair for the 1% to pay as little as they pay now. Dollar-wise they pay big; percentage wise, they pay way below what they should be paying. If you want someone who has nothing to pay taxes with to pay taxes, then those with more money than they can spend should be paying taxes until it hurts.

          • roguerunners says:

            This is not medford_resident, Look at the facebook feed above. See the same exact garbage being spewed by Ron Holliday.

          • medford_resident says:

            odd that you call common sense “garbage”
            well, ok, its not really odd. more like typical of the obama voter.

          • medford_resident says:

            you’re simply incorrect. as one of the 1% I’ll tell you that between state and federal taxes, I pay over 45%…………..while the bottom 45-50% pay ZERO.
            you simply know nothing about US taxes.

          • TZToronto says:

            I have to file U.S. taxes every year. I know a lot about U.S. taxes. There are many people who pay no tax because their income is too low. Oh, and I pay no U.S. tax because I have a rather generous amount of my earned income exempted because I pay taxes in Canada.

          • medford_resident says:

            you know nothing about taxes. let me help you keep from embarrassing yourself. Here’s a little easy reading:

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obama-taxes-and-the-buffett-rule/2011/09/20/gIQAXdd0iK_blog.html

            When you add up all of the various taxes, and look at the effective
            tax rates, it is clear the tax system is already pretty progressive.
            Everyone pays some tax, even those who pay no federal income taxes,
            and the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes. Here’s the
            effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO:
            Lowest quintile (23.4 million taxpayers), zero to $18,900: 4.3 percent
            Second lowest quintile (22.4 million), $18,900-$32,100: 10.2 percent
            Middle quintile (22.9 million), $32,100-$47,400: 14.2 percent
            Fourth quintile (23 million), $47,400-$71,200: 17.6 percent
            Highest quintile (23.6 million), above $71,200: 25.8 percent
            Top 10 percent (12 million), minimum income of $98,100: 27.5 percent
            Top 5 percent (5.9 million), minimum income of $134,400: 29 percent
            Top 1 percent (1.1 million), minimum income of $332,300: 31.2 percent

            Top 1% pay 38.02% of the tax burden
            Top 5% pay 58.72% of the tax burden
            Top 10% pay 69.94% of the tax burden
            Top 25% pay 86.34% of the tax burden
            Top 50% pay 97.30% of the tax burden
            Bottom 50% pay 2.7% of the tax burden

          • TZToronto says:

            As I said, dollar-wise, the wealthy pay a lot in tax. As I also said, they’re quite capable of paying more than they do. Those who have little or nothing are not in a position to take the tax burden from the wealthy–although Republicans would like to see that happen.

          • medford_resident says:

            here in America, up until recently, the poor contributed too. keeping everyone honest. Here in America, “being capable” is not the only test for taxing. You’re capable of living with one arm too. Doesn’t mean you should.
            Here in America, you don’t overtax people because they worked hard.

          • TZToronto says:

            Does reaping the benefits of the under-paid labor of others constitute hard work? Does sending American jobs to developing countries constitute hard work? Does finding a place to stash your money so it won’t be taxed constitute hard work?

          • JSquercia says:

            Please explain to me how the Walton clan work hard ?.

          • jmprint says:

            This is bullshit, I’m middle class and paid 36%, please go play patty cake with your rich friends and stop crying.

          • BillP says:

            Your statement that the tax system is progressive when you look at the “effective tax rate” is not based in fact. The nominal tax rate is progressive the higher earners pay more than the lower earners or so the logic goes. Mitt Romney paid a 13.9% on over 21 million dollars in 2010 and 14.1% on 17+ million in 2011. This was due to the favorable tax laws for interest payments, dividends and capital gains – all taxed at 15%. In 2010 I paid an effective rate of 20.2%on earnings that were 1/210th of Romney’s. How would you define that as progressive.

            Another favorable tax law to the wealthy is the “carried interest” rule. This is money earned by private equity and hedge fund managers. This income is taxed at 15-20% and not the 30-35% that ordinary income could be taxed at. I guess this is another of medford’s progressive tax fairness. The ultra wealthy do pay more in tax dollars because they earn so much more than the rest of the taxpayers. Why don’t you show how much money these different %brackets earn so we can see how the effective tax rate is as you state “progressive”. The ultra wealthy pay less than their fair share on a % basis due to the less than fair tax code.

          • medford_resident says:

            As I’ve said before, I think carried interest is wrong. That money should be treated as earned income.
            As far as investment income, we’re all free to invest. If you want to pay 20% on your income, invest it.
            We ARE however, already talking about money that was already taxed at the earned income level before it was invested.

          • BillP says:

            You fail to see that most people don’t have the spare money to invest. They need their money to survive by paying rent, buying food and other essentials. As far as paying taxes on on money already taxed, they are earning additional income on this money that is what is taxed not the money that has been already taxed. Additionally people who get stock options are not taxed until they sell the stock the option is written on. So in this case they are not paying tax on money already taxed.

          • morbius777 says:

            Then I suggest you move to a country that has a tax system that is move to your likeing… but you will not be allowed to do business in the US. By the way, Somalia comes to mind for you.

          • Dmullins84 says:

            My friend medford resident we could give a shit less about you being a part of the 1 percent. Your income level has nothing to do with this subject.

          • medford_resident says:

            please child, let the adults talk. TZToronto was talking about the 1%, I as one of them was giving him insight to that which he does not know.

          • awakenaustin says:

            First of all you don’t pay 39%. If you do, hire some one at any tax consulting business to do your income taxes because you need the help.
            Everyone who buys anything in this nation, earns any kind of income, or pays for services pays TAXES in some form or the other.
            It is a lie of the greatest magnitude possible to argue that 50% of the people in this nation don’t pay taxes. That canard has been refuted so many times, one would have to have been sealed in a cave or a dungeon or lost in the Amazon for the past decade to still believe it.

          • medford_resident says:

            why does the poor always think there’s a magic accountant out there who can make you pay less than you owe? YOu’ve been lied to. your vote has been bought with a lie. Please look at the USA today report that I quoted. or have someone read it to you. THAT was before the productive lost their bush tax cut so add 5% more to those numbers. And the bottom 50% pay no income taxes. you’re simply wrong.

          • awakenaustin says:

            First. I am not poor. I pay lots of taxes. You don’t pay 39%! That is a fact. Being successful and having a dollar or two didn’t lower my IQ. Facts are facts. A proposition you seem to reject.
            Second. You did not say income taxes! (More precisely federal income taxes.) Federal income tax is the only area in which your statement might pass the smell test. You said taxes! Federal income taxes are not the only taxes we pay, and not even the only federal taxes we pay.
            Third. You don’t pay 39% in federal income taxes either.

          • medford_resident says:

            First, poor is relative. your imaginings that a good accountant keeps you from paying taxes puts you near the bottom.

            second, let me quote my vert first post: “What this country needs to clean up this mess is for ALL Americans to pay federal income tax, not just the top 50%.”

            third, my rate is 39% what I pay is VASTLY more than you pay.

            do you have some sort of point besides bothering someone who pays vastly more in taxes than you?

          • awakenaustin says:

            Poor is relative. Nice cop out. Rich is relative too. And so?

            But you didn’t continue to say federal income taxes did you? You segued over to “taxes.” My response was to that posting and not to your original. If we are into hair splitting lets go there.

            Your rate is for only your taxable income over $400,000.00 or $450,000.00 depending. So that is your marginal rate and not your rate. It does also not mean you pay 39% of your income in federal income taxes.
            All incomes are taxed. Lower incomes are taxed at a lower rate.
            Because of a variety of deductions and credits, properly filed returns and ‘refunds’ the poor effectively pay no income taxes. But they pay other un-refunded taxes in various ways.
            The lower 50% of the nation have ~1% of the wealth of the nation.

            Accountants, tax advisers, tax attorneys, tax consultants, wealth management advisers, etc., are thriving businesses which make money. They do not make that money off the bottom 50%. Since they make money, then they must be rendering some service. The service most of them tout is saving on your taxes. I bet you have accountants and I bet part of their job is to save you money – ON TAXES.

            Maybe your confidence in paying vastly more than me in taxes is as misplaced as your confidence in your own wisdom.

            Hey, solution! Trade places. Give up the hardship and unfairness you must suffer under for the carefree happy-go-lucky life of a man making only $25,000.00 a year. Join the unwashed but living high poor. Be all you can be – be a fifty per center. No more whining about how terrible it is to be rich. Which, of course, is relative.

          • JSquercia says:

            So how did Mitt wind up paying about 14% ? Remember he showed only 1 years Tax Return .His accountant said he paid 14% on his 2011 taxes only because he declined to take the Full Amount of his Legitimate Charitable Deductions .To which I say BS .Even as he spoke I am sure the accountant was filing an amended return taking the FULL deduction .Yes I know he was ENTITLED to it but don’t try to blow Smoke up my butt by claiming you didn’t take advantage of it
            There are several reasons why one might not pay Federal Income Tax .The first and most obvious being they make too little to pay taxes on or to live on . Another reason might be they are serving in a combat zone . Just so as not to leave you !%ers out the income might be from Tax Free Bonds .I remember reading an article many years ago about Greg Sherwood Dodge who made so much from tax free Bonds she couldn’t spent it all .

          • medford_resident says:

            I suggest you try harder. Back when I was unhappy with my income, I didn’t whine about my betters, I emulated them.

          • DurdyDawg says:

            You not reveling the good old days when you were whineless, I would assume it was during the time when the wealthy were understanding, realized had it no been for the poor schmucks they would have been in the soup line as well and to top it off they were humble enough to thank the people for helping them make a living.. You will not find any of that today because you as well as they believed it was you and you alone who accumulated your wealth and you owe nothing to those who helped you along the way. Your pathetic. And I assume you emulated then in the same way they accumulated their wealth.. by inhuman tactics, tossing those ahead of you off the ladder and stomping on bodies that held no interest with you while sucking off the g’ment through subsidies because.. your too large to go under.. BS!!

          • BillP says:

            You know you don’t pay a Federal Tax rate of 39%, no one does. If you are you need an accountant or a better one. You also have no idea how much awakeaustin pays so you statement that you pay “vastly” more is pure bs.

            If would be great if all Americans (I assume you,don’t include children in this calculation) paid Federal income taxes. The reality that you don’t want to see is that many working people don’t earn enough to pay Federal taxes especially those earning minimum wage. The poverty level for a family of four is 23,050 that is an $11 an hour wage, how much federal income tax should this family pay?

          • Independent1 says:

            Pure hogwash!! If you pay 39% it’s 39% after a whole slew of deductions, which probably ends up to be less than 25% of your actual gross income. Who the hell are you trying to kid!! If you think the posters here are going to believe your gross exaggerations you’re more delusional than I even thought.

            And when are people like you going to grow up and realize that they’re not living with DADDY and MOMMY all their lives and have reached the point where they need to own up to paying for what the get from life???

            Here’s a list of the tax rates in European countries – why don’t you pick one of these countries out that you think will save you tax dollars and go move there!! And don’t let the door hit you on the way out!!! (Russia looks like a good place – why don’t you go and join Snowden, I’m sure you’d end up being big buddies.)

            (By the way – remember that these European countries mostly don’t have the conviluted tax code the US has so you don’t get to take all the big exemptions and deductions.)

            European Countries’

            Income/Vat/Capital Gains
            Tax Rates

            Austria – 50%/20%/0%
            Bulgaria -10%/20%/10%
            Croatia – 40%/25%/0%
            Cyprus – 35%/17%/20%
            Czech Rep – 15%/21%/15%
            Denmark – 55.4%/25%/32%
            Estonia – 21%/20%/21%
            Finland – 53%/24%/28%
            France – 75%/17.6%/33%
            Germany – 45%/ 19%/0%
            Georgia – 12%/19%/?
            Greece – 45%/23%/10%
            Hungary – 16%/27%/16%
            Ireland – 41%/23%/20%
            Italy – 45%/21%/0%
            Latvia – 23%/21%/15%
            Liechtenstein – 17.89%/8%/0%
            Luxembourg – 38.95%/15%/19.48%
            Malta – 35%/18%/12%
            Netherlands – 52%/21%/1.20%
            Norway – 54.3%/25%/28%
            Poland – 32%/23%/0%
            Portugal – 46.5%/23%/15%
            Romania + 16%/24%/0%
            Russia – 13%/18%/30%
            Slovakia – 19%/20%/19%
            Slovenia – 41%/20%/10%
            Spain – 52%/21%/18%
            Sweden – 56.6%/25%/30%
            Switzerland – 45.5%/8%/0%
            Turkey 35%/18%/0%
            Ukraine – 17%/20%/1.00%
            United Kingdom – 45%/20%/28%
            U.S. – 39.6%/Varies1/ Varies2

            Varies1: U.S. sales taxes (Vat in Europe) vary from
            NONE in several states to a high of 7.5 in Calif.

            Varies2: After 2012, dividends will be taxed at the taxpayer’s ordinary income tax rate, regardless of his or her tax bracket. After 2012, the long-term capital gains tax rate will be 20% (0% for taxpayers in the 10% and 15% tax brackets).

          • medford_resident says:

            guessing at what your betters pay in tax and then turning that guess into a statement is childish. I understand that you, the bottom, want to keep the status quo (living with DADDY and MOMMY) while we pay your way for you but thats a pretty childish way to go through life. If we could only get you, the bottom, to contribute like an actual adult, most of our problems would be solved. But you already know that, its why you won’t comment on that.
            And here in America, we’ve never gauged ourselves by what europe does. You know, high unemployment, stagnant europe.

            Aruba- no income tax no vat
            Bahamas- 3.9% payroll tax no vat
            Costa Rica- 25% 13% vat
            Hong Kong- 15% no vat (any wonder why their economy is booming?)
            Liechtenstein- 18% 12% pay roll, 5% vat
            Macau- no income tax, no vat (any wonder why their economy is booming?)
            Maldives- no income tax 6% vat
            Mauritius- 15% income tax 15%vat
            Monaco- no income tax 5-20% variable vat
            Panama- 27% income tax 7% vat
            Singapore 20% income tax 7% vat
            Switzerland 20% income up to 8% vat (your numbers are incorrect)
            British Virgin Islands- no income tax, 14% payroll tax

            So you see, there are plenty of great places to live that are also low taxation. They’re doing it right while we follow europe into its downward spiral.

          • Independent1 says:

            Hey!! No one has ever denied that the tax rates in quasi 3rd world countries aren’t less than those in America; if one of those is where you want to make your permanent residence BE MY GUEST!! And like I said, DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT – AND GOOD RIDDANCE!!!

          • medford_resident says:

            Jim, I expected the 3rd world comment. it often comes with people from the bottom who’ve never travelled. And trust me, son. Without people like me, people like you would be forced to pay your own way in this country. You shouldn’t pretend not to want the only thing that supports your way of life.

          • FT66 says:

            My friend, I am on Scandinavia assignment at the moment, and I have observed what is going on over here. I wish I can live in these countries forever and forget what is called “American dream”. These people are well above what we call “humanity, loving, caring for all people”. I have been moving across to see how people live and how people treat each other. You will find few beggers in some streets, mind you, they are not original Scandnavians, they are people from East Europe, still they are treated very well. They do their daily business of begging during the day, at night they are not allowed to sleep on corridors of shops. If they do not have anywhere to lie aside and spend a night, POLICE people take them and place them somewhere, where it is safe and and at least have a rest. This is what we call PEACE to a simple person like me. PEACE/DEMOCRACY as it has occupied in many thoughts of people in US, it is not ONLY VOTING and pick up the person you like, it is all about living like any other person on earth is required to live, and be treated like any human being and NOT like an animal.

          • medford_resident says:

            my friend, they also have very strict immigration and didn’t spend the last 80 years breeding a criminal underbelly. apples and oranges. My town could put a fence around it and live better than scandinavia tomorrow.

          • FT66 says:

            They have immigration laws for sure. But you have to remember that anyone who is a member country in European Union is allowed to move and live in any country that is a member too. Like it is done in the States. People are allowed to move to any State they wish to live in.

          • JSquercia says:

            It would seem to me that the very article you quoted shows you didn’t pay 39% .

          • nirodha says:

            Same shit, different day. This is the same tired old replay you posted the other day, Ron, in response to my comment about tax accountants. If anyone has the temerity to question you about taxes, they are “poor” and do not understand accounting. Now USA Today, that’s a REAL authoritative source! I’m glad that I’m not as smart as you, Ron, because I’d be dumber than dogshit! The only thing you’re good at is innuendo and name- calling. Give it a rest, Ron, it’s become tiresome.

          • medford_resident says:

            society’s bottom will ignore any evidence you wave in their face. discredit any news source.
            I’m assuming its why you remain bitter and unemployed.

          • nirodha says:

            As usual, your assumptions are false; Unemployed? Assuredly not, just work when I want to; and as for bitter? No. Content to the extent that I wish all fellow creatures could be.

          • morbius777 says:

            Fine. Resend deregulation, put a transaction tax on wall street, charge a tariff on goods made in foreign countries when they used to be made here in the amount they would have cost had they still be US made goods…. then we’ll talk about taxes… and not until.

          • JSquercia says:

            First of all most of the TRULY Wealthy like Mitt don’t pay 39% .The Pay the 20% rate for Capital Gains .The 50% you denigrate do pay many other taxes such as Social Security and Sales Tax

          • medford_resident says:

            We’re all very much aware of cap gains rates. In addition to the successful paying every tax the poor do, they’re also gouged for an extra 39%. What’s your point?
            My point is that if they had skin in the game, they’d pay much more attention to their vote and we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in.

          • BillP says:

            Please explain how the successful is gouged an extra 39%. You know that is bs, yet you still write on your comments. So the poor are to blame for the housing bubble, the 2 unfounded wars, high unemployment and the stock market big drop in 2008. Shame on those poor people lets take away their voting rights. Oh I forgot the Republican states are trying to do that already.

          • medford_resident says:

            Sorry, enjoy your pathetic life. I’m tired of throwing pearls before swine

          • BillP says:

            True to form you right wingers when you have nothing to say you just try to denigrate someone. You are not tired of throwing pearls before swine what you are tired of throwing the bull.

          • kanawah says:

            “some of us pay 39%”
            While the rich pay 15%, or less.

          • medford_resident says:

            You too, are free to earn money thru investments.

          • morbius777 says:

            Mr. Holiday…. Some of us don’t want to be part of the problem. You advocate the greed and criminality of wall street. I suggest you move south and secede. I find nothing admirable about your course of action. By the way, why don’t you trot out your John Bircher credentials so everyone will know who you are.

        • FT66 says:

          The ACA “Obamacare” is mainly meant for people who have nothing, “the poor”. Now you are asking the poor to pay 50% of taxes!! Where will they get money from? Is this not trying to milk a he cow, while you know for sure not a single drop of milk will come out from it?

        • morbius777 says:

          Like the congress that voted for the deregulation of wall street bankers and hedge fund managers who get to make bets with other peoples money and then come begging to John Q Taxpayer to bail them out. Is that who your talking about?

        • Tokopol says:

          I pay taxes, you dumb mutherfucker. They’re called payroll taxes and they get taken out of every paycheck.

        • Charlie McKenna says:

          You want the bottom 50% to start paying income taxes, they already pay all the other taxes, then support raising the minimum wage, support legislation to fix our infrastructure, build more schools, build high speed rail, modernize our airports. It is actually pretty simple medford, if you give people good paying jobs, they will begin spending money thus creating more jobs and the deficit goes down. unemployment goes down. welfare goes down….. but I will bet that you are one of those who want to save money on the backs of the poor and middle class. Go back under your rock troll.

    • morbius777 says:

      I LOVE all the John Birch rhetoric. What you want is a feudal, racist America geared to the top 1%’s wealth. You believe in hierarchy and racism. Move south… work on your secession. The rest of America recognizes you for the cancer you are.

      • medford_resident says:

        here amongst the intelligent we know that if the whole country paid income tax, they’d be much wiser with their vote and our country wouldn’t be in the shape its in. As it is, guys like you vote for things others will have to pay for. That house of cards is already crumbling.

        • morbius777 says:

          If you don’t like democracy, move to Somalia or secede. The country was better off under Eisenhower or Nixon tax rates. And your complaining? We will not become serfs to your Lordship without a fight.

          • medford_resident says:

            under eisenhower and nixon, the bottom paid 20-30% careful what you wish for. The rich also couldn’t be tracked by computer. what they claimed was far different than what they made

          • morbius777 says:

            Well if bottom incomes were bigger, they’d still come out ahead. And if the 1% stash most of their assets off shore, what’s the difference? The point is feudalism and democracy are incompatible; and feudalism is where we are headed.

          • medford_resident says:

            #1. if obama had a clue, we would be luring jobs back to America and the bottom would do better.
            #2 as always, despite what you want to believe, its illegal for the 1% to “stash most of their assets offshore” until first paying taxes on it. At that point, what they do with it should be none of your concern.

          • morbius777 says:

            It was corporate greed, greed of CEO’s and stockholders that drove jobs offshore. Yet these same assholes want to come back and sale their products at the same price in the US for a bigger bottom line. Frankly Mr. medford, you show your face around here and you’ll wish we had gun control… I mean it. I’d have no problem planting you 6 feet under. If you 1 %ers think you can turn this into a feudal society without a fight, I’ve got news for you.
            Further, you and I both know the reason most of you assholes plant you money in the Camins or in Switezerland so you don’t have to pay taxes. Secede…. get the hell out of the US or face civil war.

          • medford_resident says:

            Hahahaha. Seriously son, what are the odds that I’d ever pass thru the slum you call home. That’s your reply to facts?
            A threat?
            Hahaha, no wonder you’re at the bottom. Chump.
            I’m sitting here at happy hour posting from my phone.
            Here’s to you, trash. (Lifting my glass, big smile ony face)

          • morbius777 says:

            What is your address?

          • roguerunners says:

            His name is Ron Holliday. He lives in Medford, New Jersey. He has the same garbage posted on the facebook feed above. Not really such a smart guy to be on here putting everyone down while showing exactly who he is.

          • morbius777 says:

            thanks rogue. I’ll do a search and see if I can find his exact address.

          • nirodha says:

            Keep your head up and your eyes open whenever you stumble out of your watering hole there in Jersey, jadrool!

          • JSquercia says:

            Many of the things the 1% do are ILLEGAL such as Insider trading didn’t seem to phase them a bit . Remember that guy who together with Goldman Sachs set up a group of assets that he designed to fail .He then bet against them even Goldman was touting them as AAA. I think his name was Paulson

          • medford_resident says:

            Ah yes, the failures lament. Their betters cheated.
            No son, you simply failed.

          • JSquercia says:

            You came back with an attack but failed to refute my examples .Those people did cheat and set up a rigged game but I guess in your World the result is all that counts .
            I guess you play cards with a marked deck and call the losers failures .

          • medford_resident says:

            Sorry bottom runger, that’s like saying you, society’s bottom, is represented by all the small time criminals in jail.
            You’re all thrives.
            Get it, dope?
            I’ll bet not

        • awakenaustin says:

          The house of cards to the extent it might be crumbling, is crumbling because many of the 1% and 1% hope-to-bes reject fairness and justice as appropriate considerations when designing policies to fund and govern a nation.
          They propose, by their policies and their positions on issues, that greed and self-interest are the only desirable organizing principles needed when designing an economy or operating a government.
          Greed in the economic arena is fine from their perspective when it is pursued by wealthy individuals, corporations and shareholders. (It is okay for small enterprise too, but usually they have value as a symbol more than anything else.)
          (Organized greed among working class folks, i.e., Unions, however, ‘est verboten’ and just plain wrong.)
          They willfully neglect to see the advantage they enjoy and have always enjoyed. They believe, as a rule, that their wealth has come to them by some superhuman effort on their part or as an indication, divine or otherwise of their intrinsic worth, value and entitlement. Ipso facto, those who are not rich, are not rich because they are ‘worthless,’ undeserving, irresponsible, not hard working enough and so forth. They become objects deserving of no consideration. (With the exception of charity, which is essentially – I get to feel good about myself (just another form of self congratulation) at a cost I determine, they feel absolutely no need to care for those who are less fortunate than them.) Because of their own perception of their own inherent worth and the inherent worthless of ‘the others’, they exude resentment when anyone suggests they should pay taxes to fund anything they don’t perceive as directly benefiting them and their ability to make and preserve their wealth.
          So you spend most of your time self-justifying. Culling through and misinterpreting or over-interpreting statistics you feel justify your existence, unable to concede there may be a set of circumstances which may seem a little unfair to you but which serve the general good and ought to be the way things are done.
          For you, the true victims in our nation are Mitt Romney, the Koch brothers, Bank of America, Coca-Cola, and you.

          • HistoRet says:

            Why is everyone taking so much time to respond to this asinine Medford resident pretending to be Warren Buffett or Bill Gates? What a clown! I’d like to see his actual tax returns, along with Mitt Romney’s. You know any billionaires who spend their time posting such juvenile claptrap?

          • medford_resident says:

            when you grow up and have a few more life experiences, you should grow out of this nonsensical mind set. if not, life will be long and bitter.

          • awakenaustin says:

            You might try dealing with the content rather than silly unfounded notions of me, my age or my background. So far you have been unerringly wide of the mark.

          • medford_resident says:

            the content of a child’s mind who thinks its “greedy” to expect all American’s to contribute to the income tax?
            nah. say something intelligent if you want adults to take you seriously.

          • awakenaustin says:

            Keeping firing that shotgun maybe you will accidentally hit something. You can’t catch fish without bait or a lure.
            It might surprise you to learn you have been modeling everything I implied about you. You have this ingrained and clearly unjustified sense of your own self-worth and your correctness which you locate in your wealth.
            Rather than deal with other’s arguments you dismiss them as unworthy of your exalted attention. Arrogantly ignorant is not an inapt description of you.

          • medford_resident says:

            son, you haven’t laid out any arguments. you’ve simply called your betters greedy. thats not an argument, thats childish name calling. I have a very clear concise argument on how to make the country better. You don’t. Continue name calling and making person attacks. its what children do.

          • awakenaustin says:

            Wow. The classic pot calling the kettle black scenario. Original with you?

          • JSquercia says:

            Your “betters” REALLY .So in your intelligent universe the more money you have is what determines who is better .

            A really False Premise . Might I remind you of a poor carpenter from Galilee who most people would call your better

        • whodatbob says:

          You Republican pariots are incapable of thinking only saying that which you are told. Therefor totally lacking intelligence.

          • medford_resident says:

            more intelligent debate from the left.

          • whodatbob says:

            More intelligent less selfish people on the left.

          • medford_resident says:

            I’m sure you’re amazingly unselfish with other people’s money.

          • whodatbob says:

            This has absolutely nothing to do with other peoples money. It has to do with how I live my life. Pay my taxes, contribute time and money to charities.

            Sure I object to those who cheat the system, but rather than cutting funding of a program that is doing good to reduce my taxes, the Government should go after the cheaters. Your approach shows a lack of intelligence.

      • whodatbob says:

        Stop telling those Yankee Tea Baggers (John Birch Society) idiots to move South. We Southern Democrats are in an uphill battle, we don’t need more of those SOB’s. You northerners keep your SOB’s up there where you have a fighting chance to control them.

        • morbius777 says:

          I sympathize. However, I suggest you read: “American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival regional Cultures of North America” by Colin Woodard. He makes a great case that we were never a “united” States. That the colonies were, in fact, diametrically opposed to each other from the outset, and that the threat of being dominated by the English aristocracy was the only thing that brought them together. Southern Tidewater region (Virginia, North and South Carolina) was founded by English aristocrats who wanted a feudal society as they had left in England. The deep south was founded by Slave traders from Barbados and wanted to simply transpose their plantation culture. Woodard goes into this in depth, and explains why we have such different values. He also believes (as do I) that the “united” states will not remain united, but split up within the next 100 years. If we can concentrate the cancer in the south, perhaps surgery can correct the problem.

          • whodatbob says:

            I have not read the book but have read this excerpt. His premis is faulty. Slave traders from Barbados is a crock. English aristocrats founding the Tidewater reagion is BS. It was slave traders from NewEngland, England and Portugal that supplied farmers of the South with the labor (slaves) need to work the vast amounts of land available in the South. His cancer is code for African Americans.

          • morbius777 says:

            Prove it… I say he’s dead on.

          • morbius777 says:

            Mr. Woodards sources; Tidewater: John Smith Taylor “A true Relation (1608); Lyon Gardiner Tyler “Narratives of Early Virginia; Cary Carson “New World, Real World: Improvising English Culture in Seventeenth Century Virginia…. there many more. Founding the Deep South (chapter 7): Richard Dunn “Sugar and slaves: The Rise of the Planter Class in the English West Indies 1624 – 1713”; Taylor: pp. 215-216; David Robertson “Denmark Vesey”; Dunn pp. 69, 72; Richard S. Dunn “English Sugar Islands and the Founding of South Carolina” in South Carolina Historical Magazine, Vol 101, #2 pp 145-146…… shall I go on?
            And your sources are???

          • whodatbob says:

            Nice sources! Problem climate in Tidewater states was not conducive to growing sugar cane. South Louisiana was and is where cane grows. And it was French Planters from Haiti that brought cane to French Louisiana. Indigo, tobacco and cotton were cash crops in Tidewater States. But all this is an aside his conclusion is incorrect. If his cancer is conservitives (Republicans) they seem to be in control of all except the Northeast and the West Coast. That is too much cancer to surgerally remove.

          • morbius777 says:

            Let’s be clear. It is my conclusion that Tidewater and Deep South are cancer; not his. In addition to the west coast (left coast as he calls it) and Yankeedom (northeast … the Puritans and Pilgrams), there is El Norte (the area along the Mexican border on both sides) and Midlands and Appalachia which are different cultural regions and did not always go along with the Tidewater and Deep South regions. We are a divided country, and in more ways then the rather simplistic red state/blue state paradigm.

          • whodatbob says:

            We are a culturally diverse Nation. The culture of each region serves that population well and they believe their lifestyle is best. Only those in the Northeast are arrogant enough to attempt to force their lifestyle on the rest of us, perhaps it is the Puritan influences that prevents them from enjoying the differences. These differences are what makes us a great Nation. Divided we become 3ed world nations. No cancer!

          • morbius777 says:

            I think you are partially correct. The northeast (Yankeedom) did want to export their values, religious and otherwise. But then so did the Deep south. Tidewater would have also if they had not been contained by Appalachia. But the deep south wanted to maintain their slave economy; that is why there came to be such a controversy over potential new states becoming free or slave. And make no mistake about it Yankeedom and the Deep south were diametrically opposed to each other.
            As far as splitting the US into smaller countries, your right…. we would no longer be an imperial super power…. and I think that would be a good thing. The US has become arrogant in imposing its values on other nations, (as in American Exceptionalism!!???) Woodard has a different take on the definitions of “state” vs. “nation” which make sense to me.

          • whodatbob says:

            Your second paragraph is right on. I see this as a struggle between the Northeast favoring a strong central government and most of the rest of the country pushing back. We fought a Civil War over may issues including Slavery and States Rights vs. Strong Central Government, Strong Federal Government won! Neither issue was completely solved, Blacks are still fighting for equal rights and the Republicans have taken up the States Rights cause. This movement will die down as it always has in the past and the US will remain united.

    • Jim Myers says:

      HOW FUNNY!!!

      One of the true “HEROS” of the Right Wing said it best.

      “Ronald Reagan taught us, “Deficits don’t matter.”

      That true HERO was “DICK” Cheney.

      Of course, borrowing huge amounts of money, with no intention of paying it back, is the true Right Wing mantra. Except when there is a Democrat in the White House.

    • Charlie McKenna says:

      Our health care system is the laughing stock of the western world. Please tell me about this wonderful system that you are talking about. What we have now denies almost 20% of Americans health care. America is the only country in the world where people go bankrupt because of medical bills.

    • LotusJoan says:

      What a complete mash up of Fox based conspiracies and half-truths – I know, I know I am a lemming, I lack critical thinking abilities, unlike you. I also do not pay enough in income tax to be a “true” American despite the fact that I served in the military for 15 years. I also am envious of my “betters” even though I do not measure better by wealth. I just want you to know that if you were not so self-satisfied hateful and hurtful you would be hilarious.

  4. FT66 says:

    This man, created and produced in Canada then transported to US whether wrapped up or not. Am talking about Ted Cruz. He is fully aware that ACA, Obamacare will be successful, the same does Romneycare in Massachusetts. How on earth anyone can have a rotten heart like Cruz? What’s wrong with this man? Does he think living under healthcare he has, other people don’t need it? It is really absurd and disgusting to witness what is happening at the moment. ALL people need: food, shelter and healthcare. This is the way all folks live. If anyone deny them one of these, it is an action of indirectly killing at its worst.

  5. whodatbob says:

    Tea Baggers are attempting to drive the Middle and Lower classes into serfdom not trying to prevent it.

  6. kanawah says:

    The Transylvania tea bags will soon “see the light of day” and you know what happens to the infamous Transliterate when he sees the sun. They may well take the whole of the republiCON party down with them. which would not be a bad thing.

  7. howa4x says:

    This clearly shows the allegiance of the republicans to the 1% who want a middle class that will work for less and less. Taking away food stamps for millions show the utter callousness of the tealiban to human suffering. This group of older white angry men run around with copies of Atlas Shrugged as their new bible, which divides the world into makers and takers. They want to lavish generous tax cuts to the makers and take scraps from the takers. The majority of SNAP recipients are white Christians They are clearly godless since they go against everything that Jesus preached. Republicans were in power with majorities in both houses during GWB when there were 32 million uninsured and 50k were dying each year from lack of access. This statistic bothered not one of them. Even evangelicals like Mike Huckabee offered no plan to relieve their suffering, and now wants to defeat the only plan put forward to alleviate this human tragedy. He claims he is doing to work of Jesus by denying healthcare to adults and especially children, and every evangelical should be ashamed of the fact that he is speaking for them. Showing them to be as uncaring and heartless people. Obama/Romney care is a republican idea that relies on the private sector for healthcare management. The government only manages Medicare/Medicaid and the VA. The fact that republicans run around yelling socialism is a gross fallacy. Not one insurance company was dismantled under this plan. It only requires them to compete for business which is what the republicans always said would drive down costs to consumers. Ted Cruz is doing everyone a favor by his antics. Showing them how callous a man he would be as president. Cruz has to wake up and realize the Tea party is a minority of a minority party and not the general electorate that already voted on this plan in the last election. His extreme actions will drive more people away from the GOP than anyone ever dreamed.

    • nirodha says:

      You are correct! These right wing extremists have become more unhinged as October 1 approaches with the advent of the implementation of the first portions of the ACA. They know that this is the last gasp, and if they fail to somehow derail ACA, the American people will see through their utter dementia, and they will be doomed! Once the ACA has been in place for a few years, people will readily recognize its benefits. This will eventually pave the way for single-payer healthcare; Medicare for all, socialized medicine, if you will, just like most of the rest of the civilized world! We can be a little bit slow on the uptake at times, especially with social welfare issues, but we will eventually get it right. If the republicans want to survive, they had best lead (doubtful, as presently constituted), follow, or get out of the way!

  8. sleeprn01 says:

    I think that starting with President Reagan the GOP has increasingly become the party of the rich!! We are leaving an America that has been a meritocracy and is rapidly becoming a plutocracy. And I think that this is exactly what the GOP wants; there will be aristocrats and serfs. The Koch brothers, et-al want the unemployment rate right where it is, possibly even a little higher. This way the serfs will be willing to take any job at the salary that the aristocrats are willing to pay. Perhaps the bourgeois should take heed of the lessons of Marie Antoinette and the Marx’s manifesto. Poor Marie worried about the poor so much so lost her head over it.

  9. Lovefacts says:

    While the districts are horribly gerrymandered, IMO, once those without health insurance get coverage, they may stop voting Republican, just as those who suddenly find their food stamps cancelled may stop voting Republican. If not, they’ll have no one to blame but themselves as the slid further into poverty, starve, and die from treatable diseases.

    • Independent1 says:

      Let’s hope the folks you mention do finally wake up and realize just which party is taking them for a ride down the path to the poor house.

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