By Henry Decker

Three People Hospitalized After Shooting At Lone Star College

January 22, 2013 3:50 pm Category: Memo Pad 220 Comments A+ / A-
Three People Hospitalized After Shooting At Lone Star College

At least three people have been shot at Lone Star College’s North Harris campus, just outside Houston, Texas.

According to Lone Star College’s Twitter account, the shooting occurred between two individuals around 12:31 CST. The “danger has been mitigated,” and the situation is “under control.” According to local television network KTRK, two victims suffered multiple gunshot wounds, and were taken to Ben Taub Hospital, where they remain in “relatively serious condition.” One other victim was brought to Memorial Hermann Hospital; his condition is unknown.

One person has been taken into custody, and law enforcement officials are reportedly searching the campus for another suspect. As of writing, the school remains in lockdown. The type of weapon used is not yet known, and there is no indication that the shooter planned a mass shooting.

One of the victims has been identified as Jody Neal, 24. His uncle, Reginald Neal, told Click2Houston.com that Neal was shot three times.

Stacy Neal, Jody’s sister, added, “He was sitting in the study room. There (were) three people on the computer and a guy walked up the stairs and opened fire on him…They said it was just one guy that came in with a gun.”

During a Fox News appearance, Representative Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) — who represents Lone Star College’s district — said she was in a gun violence prevention meeting when she learned of the shooting.

As The Huffington Post points out, the Lone Star College incident represents the sixth shooting to take place on or near a college campus this month:

The most recent was at Chicago State University on Jan. 16 after a high school basketball game, while there were also shootings at Hazard Community College in Kentucky and Stevens Institute of Business and Arts in St. Louis. Two shootings occurred close to campuses, one at Pennsylvania College of Technology and one at the University of Central Florida. In 2012, there were at least five shootings on or steps away from a college campus.

According to data compiled by Slate and the Twitter feed @GunDeaths, at least 1,130 Americans have been killed by guns since the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting on December 14.

This story will be updated

Photo credit: AP Photo/Courtesy KPRC TV

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  • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

    And this happened in a state where people can carry concealed weapons. Even though there are certain places where guns are not allowed, it is obvious that those intent on using violent means to get their way do so with impunity.
    Incredibly, many people continue to support the arms industry, and its propaganda machine, the NRA, whose agenda starts and ends with the need to increase profits, even when doing so means the destruction of our society.
    So much for personal responsibility…

    • Hollie

      I am sorry this happen but short of the government buying and taking over all gun manufacturing and distribution of guns it won’t stop criminals from getting guns and shooting people. Let’s do research on why people resort to guns. You are punishing law abiding citizens…and no I am not a NRA member and no I don’t have any guns…but I am strongly considering getting some before the right to have them is taken away from me! And remember it was the gov that gave the Mexican drug lords guns…fast and furious!

      • faxt42

        the present government does not say pf taking gun away from you, Hollie, but to regulate the guns purchasing and limitation of type of guns and bullets, including universal back ground check. Wrong guns in wrong hands created chaos and death. Think of your family as government and your family had an idiot boy who grew up to be 20 years old no matter you taught him to drive a car properly, he still wanted to drive his car on neighbour’s lawn as his street and never stop the car, the pedistrian has to run away from his car from a far distance once he/she knew who this guy was, should he own a car?

        • Hollie

          So are you going to take my car? Once you register guns then the gov knows exactly who has guns and where to go to take them like Hitler did in Austria? I saw a program were a woman was from Austria and survived Hitler…she said it was a gradual take first registration the took them away. She said if they had their guns when they realized how evil Hitler was maybe they could have stopped him! What happens if that list gets out! Hey criminals this house has guns or the one next to it doesn’t…crap states are not letting families have pittbulls or Rotties…great I live alone no guard dogs no guns!!

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Believe it or not, the best defense for your home is a DOG and a LOUD ONE.

            And, NO, you don’t need a vicious dog either. But, you do need one that is trained to protect the family first and foremost.

            Anything larger than 40 pounds would do very nicely.

        • Hollie

          As I said above the only true way to keep guns out of bad or sick peoples hands is for the government to take all weapons away and take over all gun manufactories company’s…is that what you want? That is the only way!

          • thebunt

            Thats what I want.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            If people can’t control themselves, eventually, this may come to pass.

            In the UK, its nearly impossible to own a weapon and only under very strict circumstances. The UK seen this gun craze coming years ago and passed very severe gun laws. As a result, there are very very few deaths by guns in the UK.

            And, NO, there is no fear by the public that the government is out to “get them” as an overbearing, over controlling government.

            Guess what their weapon of choice is? Knives.

            One thing I know about Human Nature, if someone wants to out you, they the killer, will use whatever weapon is handy. Even a Baseball Bat can be dangerous in the right hands.

        • onedonewong

          Think of it this way the idiot democratic party wants to take all your rights away and step all over the constitution because its inconvenient

          • karinursula

            Stop your lying. nobody wants to take your guns. Most of you Gun lovers are ignorant.

          • onedonewong

            as usual another lib bent of rewriting the constitution

      • stcroixcarp

        Don’t do it Hollie. You are more likely to be shot if you own a gun. You are more likely to shoot a member of your family than a criminal breaking into your house. If you have a teenage boy, he is more likely to commit suicide by self inflicted gunshot if you have a gun in the home. You are more likely to be shot by your spouse if you have a gun in your house. And you are more likely to injure yourself accidentally with a gun if you own one. (All of this goes for the Mexican drug lords who supposedly got guns through fast and furious. I’m sure that some of those drug lords are already dead.)

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          You must think we are all stupid…we would “shoot a household member, injure ourselves, etc with a gun.” Typical liberal logic. Tell your BS to the poor doctor in CT who had a home invasion by two armed thug several years ago…even though they complied with everything demanded, the two invaders raped, tortured and murdered the doctor’s wife and two teenage daughters while he (the doctors) sat helplessly watching. Do you think this homeowner would have been willing to take a chance with a gun to save the lives of his entire family?? I think very much so!

          • Inthenameofliberty

            I would pull a trigger to save my family.
            After the reminder of that atrocity, I wonder what stcroixcard will say now?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KWMCTLJJ2FHD3NPDJG6TAD467I Jesse Fell

            stcroixcarp is saying that things like what you say happened in CT happen less often than mishaps involving guns. It’s also worth asking whether the doctor would have been able to protect his family even if he had had a gun somewhere in the house. Would he have been able to get it in time? Would he have been able to use it before the thugs used theirs?

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            Your “reasoning” if very flawed…IF the doctor had a gun he MAY have had the opportunity to save his family…..WITHOUT a gun, he had NO CHANCE to do so. Would YOU rather have a “chance” to save your family, or NO CHANCE????? The answer is oibvious.

          • rpg1408

            The same tired NRA-inspired argument, ” Arm the good guys”. The problem is the profusion and easy access of guns for all. Get your latest Bushmaster to blow Bambi away. How about a Stinger missile launcher to bring down that duck for dinner?Arm the teachers and that will stop school shootings.Arm the homeowner. Poof!! no more home invasions. Do you really believe this ? do you want to live in that kind of Society?

          • Hollie

            Really I don’t know what will stop a person from killing…I wish I had the answer. The 2nd amendment isn’t about hunting. I people I know that have semi automatics just want them they are fun to shoot and some can be used on big game…my daughter got a shotgun for Christmas cuz she likes shooting clays…Assault rifles are already illegal…don’t blame the gun blame the shooter, don’t blame the car blame the drunk driving it. Don’t blame the plane the hit the trade center blame the persons who flew it in to the towers.

          • rpg1408

            Hollie:
            I understand your concern . The issue is not taking guns from all hunters and sportsmen. But, since the assault weapon ban expired a number of years ago, our politicians are so afraid of angering the NRA and “legitimate” gun owners that they have refused to re-institute the ban. If the ban had been in place, those children and teachers in Newtown, as well as Adam Lanza’s mother, would still be alive. Mrs. Lanza purchased the guns legally!!! Wouldn’t you be willing to give up the “fun” of owning such a weapon of mass destruction (that is what they are designed for) to save the lives of people like those in Newtown, Columbine, Aurora and all those to come? Of course , I blame the shooters, but I also blame those people who have made and sold those killing machines, and those who make them so accessible.

          • DEFENDER88

            You need to get real about what is going on.
            If the assault weapons ban had been in place those children would still be alive?
            What an incredible and dangerous assumption to further your cause of disarming all of us.
            Like the weapon is the problem.
            Your diversions and smoke screens to ingor the underlying problems to fit your agenda is not helpful to finding real solutions.
            He could have dome just as much with a hand gun to do the same thing.
            Keep putting young men on your new designer drugs and this crap will continue. Almost all of these mass killings have been done by young white men on your new depressant drugs.
            The facts just dont fit your agenda.

          • rpg1408

            Now antidepressants are the problem? First, then it’s liberals, “godless atheists”, our permissive society, gays, now it’s “designer Depressants”(sic). Come on! What kills people are those small steel/lead missiles propelled out of GUNS! and what kills many people at a time are many bullets coming out of ASSAULT WEAPONS ! No amount of obfuscation and phony blaming can obscure that fact.Without guns Newtown, Columbine .Aurora, Virginia Tech ,etc. would not have happened.

          • DEFENDER88

            Dont blame me.
            Blame Washington and Jefferson.(see below)

            Guns in America started with them and there are millions out there now and many held by good people are protected by law.

            A ban on all of them just will not work to have any effect on the mass killings.
            And probably will never really work in this country.

            If you have not done enough research to know that most of these mass murders have been done by young white men on new designer drugs then you are not trying to help find out why this is happening now(in the last 10-15yrs) when it was not before.
            When I grew up mass murders like this were very rare. 1/2 the pickup trucks in the school parking lot had a rifle in the back window and no one ever got shot. Proportionately there were as many guns than as now.
            In fact there were probably proportionatly more back in Washington and Jeffersons day.
            Almost all the colonists were armed.
            What changed so that now we have these mass murders?
            And what can we do to stop it asap?

            When I was growing up, if a kid acted up he got his ass whipped. If he had mental problems he was put in an institution and drugged where they could control them. Now they are medicated at home and now live among us with no control at all. Another good idea of the intellectual elite gone wrong. Like Gun Free Zones with no security – an idea gone terribly wrong.

            Seems I am not near as smart as you.
            Seems Jefferson and Washington were not either.
            Blame T. Jefferson, G.Washington and that band of ignorant people(according to you I guess) who founded this country.
            And sent the Colonial Soldiers and Militia home with the most advanced Assault Rifles of their day.
            And gave them the 2nd Amendment to insure they would not be taken away from them.

            “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government
            results from too much government.”
            — Thomas Jefferson

            “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
            –Thomas Jefferson

            “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
            — Thomas Jefferson

            “I” dont see any serious threat from the Govt “yet” but I am not near as smart as Jefferson either.
            John F. Kennedy(who I am old enough to have known and loved) thought Jefferson was the smartest man to ever serve in Govt.
            In fact he thought Jefferson was smarter than everyone else combined.
            So, you say Jefferson is just wrong?
            To a more prescient point – I am having trouble seeing how a ban on assault rifles is going to have any real effect. The gangs and red necks already have them and will not be giving them up. Disarming the law abiding people seems counter-intuitive to me.
            Even you smart people should be able to see that.

            Since you dont know much about guns you should know that the most popular assault rifle in the US (The AR15 type) is used extensively for hunting and sport shooting. And there are millions of them out there in responsible legal owned hands. The gangs mostly have AK47’s, not very accurate but cheaper and more powerful and not good for hunting. Another reason why legal owners want to keep theirs.

            And – Oh Yes – the issue IS about taking away legally owned firearms from legal owners.
            I dont know who you think you are trying to fool.
            Do you really think we are that stupid.
            We know what you people want – a ban on ALL guns. And confiscation if necessary.
            In fact the Feinstein Bill now being proposed in Congress includes a confiscation proposal.

          • Hollie

            I would like us to focus on why it is being done. Since I have first hand experience with the victims I do care….one child and person is every bit as important as 20 children. Guns, knifes,bats,boiling water, acids and more are merely things to meet the end the person wants. Let’s research why our kids are killing kids. Quit making and selling alcohol…thousand more lives die from it.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            Sir, you are a fool. We ARE ALREADY living in an age where thugs think nothing of raping, robbing or murdering their victims. Are you that naive that you think doing NOTHING is the answer??? Criminals are already armed to the teeth, and they do NOT register their weapons. So the least we as peaceful citizens can do is protect ourselves against potential threats. It’s no difference than buying home or auto insurance against a potential loss. If you think being unarmed is the answer, put a sign on your door that states: “no guns here” and see what happens.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            2 teens in the last 5 years killed their parents before the went into school and killed their classmates. Typical selfish right wing logic. Tell your BS to the 20 parents whose kids were shot to ribbons in their own classroom while teachers frantically tried to protect them and were also shot.

            Where do you gun nuts live that your neighborhoods are so dangerous? And why is it always the teens in the most rural states that kill others in mass killings?

            NY City has many murders just not 20 innocent kids at once. Detroit and Chicago also have high gun murder rates…yet, the most famous murderer in Chicago was Richard Speck who murdered 11 nurses in their own nursing dorm.

            Gun nuts love to make it appear that the most “law abiding” don’t have teens who know how to use their weapons on innocent children and adults. You’ve already been proven wrong in OK, CO, VA and now TX. When do you loonies of the right give up your big baby attitudes and stop playing cowboys and cowgirls?

          • DEFENDER88

            Almost all the teens doing the killing are on your new designer depressent drugs.

            That is what has changed in our society. They used to be instituionalized if put on drugs now they are among us at home under no real control.

            I am happy you are so safe. So you think anyway.
            All of us dont live in the apparent safe area where you do. And must provide for our own self defense. The police can never get “here” in time. There are a lot of threats out there even if you dont have to worry about them, a lot of us DO.
            You need to get real about what is going on.
            If the assault weapons ban had been in place those children would still be alive?
            What an incredible and dangerous assumption to further your cause of disarming all of us.
            Like the weapon is the problem.
            He could have done just as much with a hand gun to do the same thing.
            Your diversions and smoke screens to ingnor the underlying problems to fit your agenda are not helpful to finding real solutions.
            You have no idea what kind of threats/attacks I have had to face. You have no idea what I need to defend myself.
            Denying my need to defend myself is arrogant, selfrightious, sanctimonious and dangerous to me.
            Keep putting young men on your new designer drugs and this crap will continue. Almost all of these mass killings have been done by young white men on your new depressants. Keep the Gun Free Zones going without security and the killing will continue.
            The facts just dont fit your agenda.

          • rpg1408

            Dear middleclasstaxpayer:
            I am also a middle class taxpayer. The issue has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative. Assault weapons do not distinguish . They are designed to kill as many people as possible, regardless of race, creed ,or voting preference. One of the reasons that the ” bad guys” have so many guns is that they are so easily accessible thanks to the gun manufacturers, the NRA and their acolytes, and the politicians unwilling to stand up to them. Of all the developed countries, the US has the weakest gun laws, the greatest profusion of these weapons of mass destruction, and the most gun deaths by murder,suicide , and accident. I s the answer really more guns for everyone,everywhere?

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            Well, it sure seems like some liberals believe guns protect people. Mayor Bloombegr of NYC is protected round the clock by people with guns, yet he proclaims that armed guards in schools is a bad idea? All members of Congress are protected by men with guns, yet the liberals say having armed guards in schools is a bad idea. I guess as long as “important” liberals (and THEIR families) are protected by men with guns, the rest of us should just “hope & pray” instead of taking precautions for our own safety (and the safety of our families). Is that how we get our “fair share”?

          • rpg1408

            We can go around in circles on this issue forever. If guns were not so pervasive in this society, our officials, both liberal and conservative, would not need protection from gun – wielding crazies. Do you think George Bush and Dick Cheney were not guarded ?and wasn’t President Reagan shot by one ? This is not a liberal or conservative issue. The children in Newtown had no chance to grow up vote on this issue. Wouldn’t we all be safer if guns were no so easily available. The rates of gun homicide, suicide,and accident in those countries with less access to guns is very low compared to ours.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            The “genie” is already out of the bottle…..you can either take steps to protect yourself and family, or take your chances in an increasingly hostile environment. If you believe so much in being unarmed, post a note on your door claiming you are unarmed….see if criminals will appreciate your “pacifict” attitude and invade someone elses home…..but I wouldn’t count on it!

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/WZG5Z5FXVXAA5PRY2USFW3Q76Y Witnes This!

            Liberal logic happens to be based on statistics something that is all too clearly being missed by gun lovers who find an incident and make it the reason all people should be armed. In the case you describe it would be best if all citizens were armed and had holsters with guns ready for the firing. You wanta bet the shootings will decrease? Really?

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            There are well over 40 “Right to Carry” states, and yet the incidence of abuses in this segment of the population in these states who choose to be armed is LESS than 1/4 of 1%…..and folks are MUCH more polite to each other as well, unlike a NYC or Chicago, where guns are strictly banned yet gun crime is rampant. In Chicago alone in last year recorded (2011) there were 500 murders with illegally held guns, but no one tells THAT story. I guess the mayor (Emanual) would rather not focus on it!

          • rustacus21

            U know, there’s 1 thing U’r correct on – this IS Liberal’s fault – in a manner of speaking. In ’04, the party literally “BETRAYED” its best candidate & chance of winning that year (Howard Dean), by w/drawing its support for his momentary lapse of ‘excitement’ upon winning Iowa. B/c of his very ‘human’ behavior of winning as an already projected long-shot, the party decided that’s how a candidate should behave, opting instead for the stiff, bland, unimaginative & quite unprepared Kerry. Of course, it’s a completely different world w/a ‘President Dean’, who ‘LOGICALLY’ prevents the expiration of the assault weapon’s ban, the mortgage crisis, the banking & investment collapse, NCLB, a collapsing HC syst, continued Environmental degradation, continued job losses, but most importantly, the Depression of ’08 all would have been averted, or at the very least, minimized. This is all speculation of course, but Liberal/Progressives, if nothing else, look out for the people – PERIOD! In fact, the law & order Liberal/Progressive imperative would have ensured jobs instead of crime opportunities & prison for law breakers & would conceivably be all that was necessary to ensure the safety of the CT doctor & family U spoke of. Our problem tho, we Liberal/Progressives DO have logic. What conservatives possess we see in their defense of criminality, wrong-doing, injustice, hate, tyranny & all of our uglier human inclinations! & speaking of CT, all those diabolical conservative ‘values’ converged in Newtown last month, as conservatives policies reached out once again, destroying the peace & harmony of yet another American community – compliments of conservatives’ inability to ‘see’ beyond they, their selfish desires & materialistic obsessions, having done the nation NO GOOD at all… Even to the point of preventing ‘good’ (efforts of the Obama admin to ‘repair’ the nation/world) from being done. THAT’S Liberal/Progressive ‘logic’ in action, in case U’r curious…

        • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

          There Was A Shooting Friday Where Some Nut Killed His Family Of 5 With An AR-15!! Buying More Guns Is The Answer Huh???

          • Hollie

            AR-15 are already illegal without the changes you can not buy them legally….want me to repeat that
            Assault rifles are not sold legally!!! Don’t believe me call your local gun store!

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            WHAT THE FUCK YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Stop Talking To Me With The Gun Bullshit I Don’t Play Well With Troll Or Whore You Better Ask Around!! STFU Talking To Me!!! GET IT!!

          • Hollie

            Who are you talking too? Wow they had better add you to the list…temper temper little one…you would be someone to be excluded..you know there are anger management classes you can take…wow

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            Like I Said STFU Talking To Me I Don’t Play With Whores And TROLLS!! Make Sure You Stick That List Up Your ASS! GET IT!!! You May Think You Can Troll Behind People With Your Bullshit !! But I’m Not The One You Want To Fuck With!! Can You Hear Me Now?? You And Onesucksdong Can Go Fuck Yourself!!! It’s Not A Anger Problem It’s A Troll Problem!! I Own Guns Don’t Try To School Me!!

          • Hollie

            :) yes I can read you…stop asking questions..Hope you aren’t kissing anyone with that mouth or touching anyone with those fingers:(

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            FUCK YOU!!

          • Hollie

            Thank you for the offer but you aren’t my type…good luck though:)

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            Stupid Bitch!!

          • Hollie

            Oh I see..you don’t believe in the first amendment either, are you not trolling behind me…I thought this was a place to discuss things pardon me. You probably should change your threatening these sights are monitored.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            Hollie Go Fuck Yourself You Go Play With Kids I’m A Grown Woman!! Go Catch Up With Your Crowd!!

          • onedonewong

            Ask the black panthers

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B6RROC4IUESHT322QS5VJVPYRM Lynda

            The Black Panthers…do you mean both of them?

          • karinursula

            Love it

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZJ5BBSQIGTUMERPZFALES6HQNY Bill

            Lynda onedumbfuck uses this comment every time there is an article about guns. He can’t write more than one sentence at a time and it’s always something lame like “ask the black panthers”. Why not ask the Aryan brotherhood or some other White Supremacist group?

          • onedonewong

            There are thousands still brain dead

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Myers/100001512942781 Jim Myers

            Replying to onedonewong –

            AND MOST OF THEM WANT TO PRETEND THAT MORE GUNS, HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES AND CONCEALED CARRY ARE THE ANSWER TO GUN VIOLENCE.

          • onedonewong

            Better take that up with the mayor of Chicago

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Wow, you’re right for a change.

            I could easily count you within that list, however.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            Ask Your Mother Bitch!! Did You Give Rush Limpdick His Blow Job This Morning ??? If Not You Better Get To Sucking And Earn Your Keep Little Bitch!!!

          • Hollie

            Who?

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            Why The Hell You Keep Fucking With ME!! FUCK OFF!!! YOU!!! WHAT PART OF STOP TALKING TO ME YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND?????

          • Hollie

            I’m sorry Fern it is just so easy to trip your trigger it won’t bother troll after you if you don’t troll after me..sorry I am really trying to stop..ok Hollie be done!

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            You Play That Bullshit With The Other Trolls Stop Talking To Me!!! Silly Bitch!!

          • onedonewong

            so hostile…do you suck dicks with sucha dirty mouth??

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            You onesucksdong Is One Dumb Ass Fuck!!

          • Hollie

            Have you ever seen a real black panther…they are gorgeous animals..the one I saw had piercing green/yellow eyes…amazing creatures!

          • onedonewong

            The ones I’m referring to are brain dead savages

      • iwelumo

        Nobody is trying to take our rights to bear arms. When was the last time you saw a deer wearing a bullet-prove vest?? We have guns out there that can go through police bullet prove vest. We have guns out there that fire over 20 rounds of bullets in less than 30 secounds. why do we need such guns to protect ourselves? What the gorvrnment is trying to do is to encourage people to do the right thing…….. proper background check, mental health check and all necessary precautionary messures before someone can LEGITIMATELY own a gun. For the families of those young kids and innocent college kids that got killed for no reasons, tell them “it is ok……don’t worry, it’s gonna be alright”

        • Hollie

          Do you own a gun?

        • Hollie

          How many bullets are ok? Is the death of 20 kids anymore important than 1 child? How would registration change the outcome? What precautionary measures? Which mental health diagnosis would exclude a person? How about banning all alcohol I would venture to guess it kills 1000 times more people? Let’s stop flying cuz planes driven into building kills thousand more people. Get rid of rental trucks they blow up federal buildings with child daycare centers. Let’s do mental Heath checks on everyone before they can have a drivers license or own a car…let’s do daily drug testing on every person in the United States, what are the numbers on the deaths from drugs! We are over reacting to a tragic event!

          • Inthenameofliberty

            But the fearful will not see – they are reactionary instead of being proactive.
            We need to start when the kids are little….make sure they are on the right track then…..fix a system that is not protecting them but I know not how we start…..keep trying Hollie. Perhaps some will listen to reason.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Since we can’t get rid of every single military-styled weapon in this country there is really only one solution.

            Make the AMMO that these weapons use so expensive, NO ONE will be able afford to buy the ammo.

            Also, check the registers of current gun owners. Make them all take a full deep-screening MMPI. Check all court cases for domestic abuse charges, DWI changes as well.

          • Hollie

            We could make alcohol too expensive to buy,where only the very rich can drink a shoot semi automatic weapons….we could increase car prices too those really big ones that smash little cheap cars…give plastic bats to all baseball teams..stop selling knifes or make them too expensive to buy.

            How about mmpi on every single person who wants a drivers license and anyone who wants unemployment benefits they lost their job they might kill their old co workers…welfare benefits of any kind…all records of court cases health records should be sent to Washington so some person can decide are you really mentally healthily…the government runs it programs so well

            Stupid maybe maybe not..

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Ha.

            Your other ideas aren’t totally out of consideration.

            Ahhh, WTF, turn everyone into walking Zombies. Then some asshole’l pass a law banning bumping into each other while walking around.

            Tell ya, at the rate people can’t use their own brains with common sense anymore, we’re gonna Law ourselves right into extinction.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Jkirk3279 William Carr

        You are entirely WRONG, Hollie. In a nation like Switzerland, for example, law-abiding people can own guns, but they are responsible for them and must keep them in gun lockers.

        You owning a STUN-GUN might help you defend yourself, but owning a gun won’t help. SWAT officers train frequently to overcome the natural “freeze” reaction, and that lets them react when there is an unexpected attack.

        These experts say that if they stopped training, they would lose that edge in a MONTH.

        • Michael Kollmorgen

          But, I bet in Switzerland, they’re not allowed to own the type of weapons we can own here. I mean like AR15s, Uzzis, Assault Weapons.

          Over there, I bet only the Military has them.

          Please correct me if I am wrong.

      • http://www.facebook.com/bob.brindell.7 Bob Brindell

        Good for you Hollie! I am an older person who never owned nor wanted to own a gun but support the Bill of Rights. Two years ago My wife and each purchased guns when gun control fanatics, mostly democrats, started a push to restrict gun purchases stepping on the Bill of Rights. Now they are pushing harder to step on the Bill of Rights. As a life l0ng liberal Democrat it angers me that it is fellow Dems. attempting to step on the Bill of Rights.

        • Hollie

          Thank you I agree:)

        • karinursula

          Total BS

          • Hollie

            No it isn’t

      • johninPCFL

        The gov didn’t give guns to the Mexican cartels. They got them from individuals who legally bought them from Az gun dealers. If you can’t absolutely prove that the purchase is made to avoid a background check, it’s a legal purchase in the eyes of the police (or the BATF.)

        • Hollie

          They haven’t even completed the fast and furious investigation.

        • Hollie

          The congressional investigation hasn’t been completed yet!

        • http://www.facebook.com/bob.brindell.7 Bob Brindell

          You buy that BS cover-up?

          • johninPCFL

            Are you in favor of law enforcement violating your A2 rights?

            Since all the guns were legally purchased, what reason would the cops have to either arrest the straw man buyers or confiscate the weapons?

          • Hollie

            They were assault rifles right? Which are illegal so how did those gun dealers get the from the government to sell to the drug cartel…it just doesn’t make sense

          • johninPCFL

            Sorry, no. They were run-of-the-mill semi-automatic rifles (AR15, etc.) that anyone who could pass a background check can buy. They didn’t get thm from the gov’t, they bought them in Tucson area gun stores.

            The stores were under surveillance because it was thought they were selling to straw-man buyers. The buyers all bought legally, so they couldn’t be stopped, and the weapons couldn’t be seized.

          • Hollie

            What is straw-man buyers?

          • johninPCFL

            Individuals who buy the weapons with the intention of turning them over to others who can’t legally buy them.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Anyone doing this sort of thing is not going to openly admit they are buying a gun for someone who’s not supposed to have one.

            Why hang yourself with a Fraud Conviction in the future.

            No one in their right might would be stupid enough to do that.

          • johninPCFL

            Which is exactly why none of the straw buyers nor gun dealers were arrested. Just like every other law enforcement agency, the BATF agents can arrest someone only after witnessing a crime or being directed to by an AG or DA.

            The program was designed to find the strawman buyers and ilicit dealers. On the surface, the guns were legally sold; the illegal action was knowingly transferring the weapons to a criminal. No arrest warrants were issued, so no arrests could be made.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Not enough space, again.

            But, as usual, a crime doesn’t become a crime until the crime becomes known by authorities.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Any former felon, or someone who’s not supposed to own a gun can get their hands on a gun simply by having a friend act as a Straw Man who buys the weapon, then turns it over to his friend.

            This is Old News. This happens all the time.

            To make sure the buyer is in the clear later on, all they got to do is break a window, call the cops, trash the house a bit and claim a theft has taken place.

            And, there goes another gun on the streets that was registered to the buyer, but no longer.

            There is no way of proving what went on unless someone opens their mouths and spills the beans of what originally took place.

          • Hollie

            Thank you

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/A4FWDOYB2YY4ORNTZ2UW5CSWXQ fidel

        Do you know what the Police say about when a Gang Member kill other from Other Gang.Is ok ,they are Killing them selves,Is The Same with Fast and Furious, Cartel again Cartel.Sometime Innocent People,They are not Innocent People,something has to do.In Mexico The Stronger cartel are Federal Cartel ,Policeman.Now The DEA Know who are they.

        • Hollie

          I am sorry I don’t understand what you are trying to say.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B6RROC4IUESHT322QS5VJVPYRM Lynda

        Your information on Fast and Furious is just a tad off. The government did not give guns to the druggies in Mexico. Get the facts.

      • Eleanore Whitaker

        Hollie…The last 5 massacres were committed by “law abiding citizens.” That argument goes completely out the window when you consider that all 5 of the murderers involved had easy access to guns in their homes. The idea that someone is “taking a gun away” from you is ludicrous when you consider that the teens involved in these massacres killed one or more of their own parents. Texans should have put a stop to the glut of guns the minute Charles Whitman began picking human beings off the street from a tower. The Mexican drug lords are the main profit from the gun running states like MO, NC, TN and KY. These states profit hugely from the sale of guns and they don’t particularly care where the guns end up…even when they kill 20 little children. It’s time for some adults to grow up and stop fearing the government to the extent they’d take up arms against it due to misguided ideology.

        • Hollie

          It’s okay I don’t have to argue or be worried because the law that was decided by the supreme court states..in the counties the supreme power is the Sheriffs. I was wondering why all these Sheriffs were coming out…the popping up like jiffy pop. The sheriff trumps the Feds…which also explains the medical pot being grown…I happen to dis agree with ur ideology and so does my Sheriff..have a good day.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Local law enforcement DO NOT and CAN NOT trump federal law.

            That wacko Sherriff down there in Texas, his days are numbered.

            The only reason he’s been getting away with what he’s been doing is that the Feds really don’t want to cause a stink or arresting him and throwing him in jail. They are just waiting until he really steps over the line. Then, they’ll nail him to a cross.

            He knows it too. He’s been walking a tightrope for years.

          • Hollie

            Yes it does…supreme court said so…that is why those states that legalized pot are getting away with. Cops are tired of busting people for pot when there are serious crimes being committed. Why do you think these Sheriffs are stepping forward on TV, news papers the Internet. Research it that is what I did. I don’t know who you are talking about. Don’t ever believe what people say…that is why I come on here. I am independent I research both parties.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Yes, even with the Reefer problem, it is still illegal on a federal level.

            So, yep, the Feds can enforce their laws IF they really wanted to.

          • Hollie

            I don’t think there is enough Feds to come into all the states or counties to try…it would be another Ruby Ridge and WACO…this time with local law enforcement to fight a long side of the private citizen….me I am taking my horses and heading for the mountains cuz I don’t even have a gun…I will have to determine which is worse shooting a grizzly bear oepr ATF

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Exactly right.

            There aren’t enough Feds to come into a state and do their thing. This is one of the effects the Republicans like – downsizing the federal government.

            A Governor of a state could call in support from their respective State National Guard.

            But, most governors are pure cowards to do that anyway.

            Hell, half the time a state won’t even enforce their own laws, hence the need for hate crime and affirmative action legislation on a federal level.

            If I had my way, I’d abolish all state borders and apply federal law over everyone. That way, everyone is equal, all with the same set of laws and regulations.

            There are no longer any “special conditions” where one locality, one state has any “special circumstances” which would set themselves apart from anyone else.

            This might have been the case 2 centuries ago when it took mail a month to get to one place to another and federal elections took weeks to decide who really won. But, now with lightening speed communication, whatever special conditions there might have been – are no longer.

            We are one country, not a conglomeration of 50 separate fiefdoms and kingdoms.

            Though Republican sure would like it to be that way.

          • Hollie

            I disagree I believe less federal government more state rights…the states know their people where the Feds don’t. What works in New York doesn’t work for the small time rancher in Wyoming. The problems with the Internet is it isn’t always right…maybe that is one of the differences between my generation and the younger one. We are all unique individuals with unique backgrounds…I would support succession….I believe in individualism…We are a conglomeration of unique citizens and states…that is what makes the united states a force to contend with…we maintain the deep seeded feelings of our immigrant families…thank heavens we are a democracy. Not one big Kingdom.

    • Hollie

      Unfortunately if someone wants to kill you they will, because it isn’t their weapon of choice that kills…remember world trade center..oklahoma bombing..

    • middleclasstaxpayer

      All liberals “talk” the same about guns, but when it comes to THEIR OWN SAFETY, all the gun haters have “men with guns” protecting them & their families. IE: Michael Bloomberg, Obama, Democrat congressmen & women. Obama recentlly signed into law a bill that would make it mandatory that he & his wife be provided protection by men with guns even after he’s out of office. If Obama is so concerned with guns, WHY does he feel the need to be protected by men with guns??? I guess he & his family are more important than the rest of us. And it has been reported that the schools his kids go to are also protected by armed guards, IN ADDITION to the Secret Service details available. So, recommend AGAINST armed guards in schools, but make sure your kid’s schools have armed guards. Makes perfect sense to liberals, doesn’t it????

      • Hollie

        When he got mad at the NRA for the ad about his kids being protect…we said the exact something BEFORE the ad…it’s okay to protect his family with guns but not mine? He is no more important than each and everyone of us…I love my family as much as he loves his!

        • Inthenameofliberty

          Also well said.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

          If you are posting about the President’s daughters, he actually does not have any control over the protection of his daughters. Their protection is mandated by law and the Secret Service that provides their protection not the President . Since you and Inthenameof libery seem to agree with the NRA about posting police, arming the teachers, or having armed guards in all school realize the message that the NRA and people like you two are sending to the kids today.
          The NRA and people that agree with their idea of more guns in schools are telling our children that a gun will be the only thing needed to make the lives better and safer, which is a bunch of baloney. Guns in most situtions make things worse in still of better, and causes the lost of lives that wouldn’t have been lost if guns weren’t present. In Fla. if the legal gun owner guy that shot up a suv of teenagers because they wouldn’t turn down their music hadn’t had a gun there would be teenage boy still alive, in Tennessee 4 kids would not be parentless if the legal gun owner and their legal gun owner Dad hadn’t gotten in to an argument over how the Dad had parked next the legal gun owner 1 van. The van owner took his gun that he left in van and shoot the dad in cold blood and then tried to claim it was because of mental health problems, these 2 incidents along go to prove that guns are not the best answer for anything.

          • Hollie

            Let him pass an executive order to stop employing the secret service for himself and his family…let’s change that law first….as I said above we have resource officers(which are real live officers) already in high schools and middle schools…why not elementary…I asked my daughter if it traumatized her to have them there..she said no why…she loved the one she had in middle school. I think you could spin it to be positive! How would the recommendation saved those kids in a SUV? Perhaps without the gun he would have forced them off the road and they rolled and all died! Son could have beat or stabbed his father to death. Again there are evil people out there with or without guns they will commit crimes…and I don’t see where any of the recommendations would have stopped ur examples.

          • jendevizio

            Some of you are not telling the truth!!! President Obama never said schools cannot hire armed guards. His daughters go to a private school that hires guards. If any private school or school district wants to hire guards for their schools they may do so. President Obama cannot, and has not, said that they couldn’t or shouldn’t.

          • Hollie

            Nice he can afford to send his children to private school with security….you don’t think the secret service isn’t glued to their butts….if you believe that I have beach front property in Arizona I will sale you!

          • roguerunners

            But it was OK for Bush’s Daughters? This kind of protection is in place for all Presidents and their family. Obama IS NOT getting anything more than any other Pres. When you start talking like that, you lose me. Before that comment your debate was interesting.

          • karinursula

            You absolutely right. It is up to the individual schools. Also the private school does not have armed guards.

          • hilandar1000

            Hollie, Hollie — you need to take your constitution class over again. The president does not write laws — the legislative branch is responsible for writing laws. The president can only sign or veto the laws that come to his desk. Also, pay special attention to the second amendment which gives the people the right to own guns, but only as a part of a WELL-REGULATED militia — definitely allowing government the right to regulate the ownership of guns. It is simply “paranoid thinking” that leads to the declaration by the NRA leadership and the people who pay attention to their rants that has ingrained the idea that the government is trying to take your guns. That is simply NOT true. Over 70 percent of the members of the NRA are in favor of regulation of guns and gun ownership. For that matter, a good many liberals enjoy the sport of hunting, and would not vote for a complete ban on guns. Therefore, a complete ban on guns in this country is a NON-issue. The only controls on guns and ownership that are being considered are the banning of machine guns which are designed as weapons of war. These are guns that deliver over 10 rounds without reloading. The other matter being considered is a ban on people who are mentally unstable or have a background of violent crimes being able to own and/or have access to guns. No one is under the illusion that these measures would eradicate violent crime completely. However, it would certainly have limited the number of lives that would have been lost in all of the mass shootings that have taken place recently. It is beyond ludicrous to think that the controls that are being considered are useless because they cannot completely eradicate all violent crime. Try telling that to one of the relatives of the victims of the mass shootings that took place in Arizona, Aurora, or Sandy Hook.

          • Hollie

            Excellent then we don’t have to abide by those 26 executive orders he signed Monday…that is a relief. I am pretty sure with the huge division in congress they won’t get to it…hopefully they will address jobs and the debt…. I think it reads a well regulated militia is necessary to protect the freedom of the state the right to own gun will be will not be infringed. But since we don’t have to follow anything he said Monday I am not worried…I believe my state has or is working to pass a law that we don’t have to abide by the federal gun restrictions within our state….and there is take of joining the other states Utah wyo….ect where you can cross state lines into their state with guns…you know honoring their concealed weapon permits…

          • Hollie

            I meant to add freedom of the state from government from tranny….I am not an NRA member and don’t follow them…I just believe less government involvement the better…as far as I can tell they all of them are doing a shitty job…I strongly believe in States rights.

          • hilandar1000

            You are correct in thinking that we do not have to abide by the proposals and directives that comprise the executive orders signed by President Obama on Monday, which were based on the study of the task force set up to examine the existing system and ways of improving it. As explained to you before, the president cannot make and enact the laws — only the legislative branch can do that. However, before you offer your thanks to your gun-Gods, you might want to consider the directives that he ordered to existing government agencies — which will encourage those agencies to be more diligent in enforcing existing laws. The president’s proposals will also bring public attention to the need for more gun control, which will no doubt increase the numbers of the 72 percent of the voting public who already favor more gun control.

          • Hollie

            Have you heard of Mack verses the supreme court 1997? Arizona Sheriff Mack…the supreme court decided that the Sheriff is the supreme power of is county he does not have to enforce federal…they said it was to have a double check system for the private citizen against the Federal Gov…I found this doing research..
            What you don’t understand is we the people are the militia..not the police national guard etc..us..ti fight against tranny. Too much government isn’t good for anyone. Evil is out there, strengthen the Laws against the shooters, the drunk drivers, the meth distributors..
            Hilander I don’t even own a gun…but it is my constitutional right to get one if I want…we have so few rights it seems..let’s not walk over what our forefathers gave us…history repeats itself…they knew that…hold the person who commits the crime accountable, the drunk driver, the rapist, the child molester, the drug dealer. Let the states determine what is right for their people…most of those directives are in place already. Chicago has one of the toughest gun laws and the highest death rate by gun…did it work? In the 90’s we banned semi automatics and research found it made no difference so they allowed them again…tell me how gun registration with mental checks would have stopped the CT shooting? I’m going to bed but before I go thank you for challenging to be better informed and greatly relieved because I know where my sheriff stands and I know why he took that stand and he understands my thinking.

          • Hollie

            Sorry the are mistakes very tired.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            I agree guns are not the answer to anything.
            I don’t now what I think about the NRA saying armed guns should be in the schools. I have not posted one comment on that and you are putting words into my mouth. Knock it off and please don’t presume to know my opinions on a specific concern until you ask.
            Again boiling down to mental health? Tell me, then, what is the cause of our mental health care crisis?
            When you can answer that, then we have the solution as to why knives, feet, hands, ropes, guns, cars, bombs, drug overdoses, etc are killing humans BY humans.
            We are a lousy species. There have not been any like us in the history of earth and sometimes I wonder if we aren’t a plague. We are rotten. To the core, it seems, when I read this website.

            So, tell me – what’s the answer to human mental health problems and rage? Go —– I am waiting.

            Because rationing guns will NOT fix this nation.

            People will fix this nation – when they wake up. If we all put 1/2 the effort into fixing the mental health of humans as we do to arguing on this webpage, then maybe we’ll get somewhere. Being proactive could work – are you ready to try?

          • Hollie

            I agree..people always knee jerk reaction! Did you see that picture of a semiassault rifle in front of an open door? Guy swears it didn’t try to go out and kill anyone even when he left the door open…it wad pretty funny!

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZJ5BBSQIGTUMERPZFALES6HQNY Bill

            Well said. Most right wingers want to believe that anything done for President Obama is unique to him and his family. This is part of our gov’t, to protect the president and family even after he leaves office.

      • Inthenameofliberty

        Well said.

      • karinursula

        No that school has not armed guards. It is federal law to protect the President and his family. Get your facts straight.

        • Hollie

          He could write an executive order!!! The right to bare arms is a federal law a constitutional law sunshine!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZJ5BBSQIGTUMERPZFALES6HQNY Bill

        your comment “Obama recentlly signed into law a bill that would make it mandatory that he & his wife be provided protection by men with guns even after he’s out of office” is total bs. Every presdient current and former are assigned Secret Service protection for life. It never stops to amaze me at the bs statements attributed to President Obama that apply to other presidents but people like you try to make it seems as he is the originator of them. Get you facts straight before writing your comment.

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          The referenced bill was signed by Obama in last two weeks. It is apparently an extension and addition to current rules regarding former Presidents…….CHECK THE FEDERAL REGISTER, and maybe YOU should get things straight before commenting on others!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carlos-Garcia/1089657423 Carlos Garcia

      Get their way do so with impunity? Now, that sounds like the Department Of Justice along with all those other Federal Government Agencies that goes around the country and the world, such as the C.I.A. and sell weapons to Terrorists.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      Guess What The NRA Don’t Give A Damn All They Want Is For Everybody To Buy More Gun!!!

    • onedonewong

      I agree so much for personal responsibility…that same campus had 14 abortions last year that’s a real tragedy

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3OFCGU5YV4AP4AIYKZU4DWXD4Y Mark

    USA becoming a land of sub-humans

    • http://www.facebook.com/bob.brindell.7 Bob Brindell

      Define subhuman. I’m not, are you?

  • AlfredSonny

    NRA’s next statement will order all schools to have at least an armed guard in each study hall.

    • Hollie

      We have resource officers in our middle schools and high schools what is wrong with that? I would rather see my tax dollars go for that then stomp and spit on the second amendment….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

        What will happen to the students in the school if the resource officer or a armed security guard is attacked by a student or students or someone from outside a from behind and their weapon or weapons taken? What wil happen if the person with the gun has a mental melt down and starts shooting for no reason? Has any of you ever thought about these questions? Resource offiicers and any other human type of security that are being used or that are being thougt about to secure the safety of our children at school are subject to the same mental metal down as everyone else and can be as dangerous if not more dangerous to the very children they are protecting as anyone breaking into the school with a weapon. Start asking yourself the questions I have asked you and see if you still think more guns is the best remedy to stop the massacres and killings of people. THE NRA IS NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN AND US, ALL IT WANTS TO DO IS HELP WEAPON AND AMMO PRODUCERS SELL MORE OF THEIR PRODUCTS SO THE NRA CAN GET MONEY IN DONATIONS FROM THE WEAPON AND AMMO MAKERS SO THE NRA CAN MAKE BIGGER DONATIONS TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY REELECTION WAR CHEST SO GUN CONTROLLED LAWS THAT WILL MAKE US ALL SAFER BUT NOT TAKE WAY SENABLE GUNS FROM GUN OWNERS WON’T BE PASSED.

        • Inthenameofliberty

          Your last couple of comments are aggravating. Let me use your logic back at you and annoy you:
          If Obama can give his union supporters favors in response to their campaign donations then the NRA can back those Repubs who vote in their favor. What, am I off base because there are guns involved ?

          Tell me – who is going to be in charge of deciding who is mentally stable? Another tax payer funded government organization that can not be corrupted? Like the FDA? The EPA?
          I’m all for sensible gun laws. Fine.
          But that does not address the underlying problem of ‘bad’ humans who will work the system and still get their guns.
          How do you propose helping them be ‘normal’ people?

        • Hollie

          Yes I have thought of it almost as much as the police I would assume. The problem Hillbilly is those who want to kill will with whatever they can get their hands on, ever seen a person beat to death with a bat! Ever seen a person gutted? Ever seen a per decapitated with a chain saw? Every seen a child boiled! Do you want me to keep going…I can and you would be vomiting by the time I got…here’s one the women dragged under her boyfriends car for a block not a pretty sight…common denominator in those cases you ask…alcohol! If you want to save us…close all bars, government seize all gun manufacturing place..seize all guns knifes baseball bats..you get the idea. That would be tranny on the government side. I know nothing about the NRA except they are standing up for the second amendment why I could care less…tell me how registering guns would have changed the outcome in CT…I will quit now…I have thought long and hard about this for over 30 years as an ED nurse…hopefully when they debate this congress hears the law abiding citizens side…no I don’t own a gun but I am going to get one before the laws change.

  • http://www.facebook.com/billiemudry.spaight Billie Mudry Spaight

    Here we GO again! Here we GO again! If you people out there don’t get it, tough–we need gun control NOW!

    • Inthenameofliberty

      No. It’s time we identified the adults that are messing with the heads of children and hold those adults accountable.
      Kids are a blank slate.
      We adults are screwing with their minds and causing the instability that you are witnessing.
      Any suggestions as to how to fix the adults? Parenting classes? ANY idea?
      Because someone is screwing with our kids.
      My assumption is that it’s the parents. But I have no proof, only my observations of those around me.
      Anyone can have a child. But that does not mean that EVERYONE knows how to raise them.
      So, we continue on in the never ending cycle of always being one generation away from a kinder, gentler world.
      I keep saying this —- missing the forest for the trees; shutting the barn door after the horse has gotten out.
      It has nothing to do with gun control and everything to do with HELPING OUR KIDS be good, rational, happy kids. That leads to normal and respectful adults.
      Where are we going wrong as a nation with that?
      Broken families? Violence in the media? Where?

      • Hollie

        AMEN!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/bob.brindell.7 Bob Brindell

        You are asking the right questions. Problem is there are no answers to the questions. So attention is diverted to guns and the NRA. The NRA makes no sense, but diverting attention away from the problem males less sense.

        • Inthenameofliberty

          No answers….sad but true, isn’t it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.diemer.988 Michael Diemer

    It is Texas they think everyone should carry a gun.That will solve all the shooting problems in schools.

    • http://twitter.com/jmprint Mary Martinez

      It is our Texas Governor and his croonies, there are a lot of people in Texas that want gun control, but just like the so called Christians and NRA, they dominate the political arena. And they pretend they are not prejudice, but they are.

      • Hollie

        What do you mean so called Christians?

    • johninPCFL

      Google “youtube shopping in texas” for a good example…

      • dtgraham

        Thanks for that. Pretty funny. Apparently that shooting today was between a couple of guys that got into an argument in class and each did a Matt Dillon. Like everyone says about concealed carry in public places…..what could go wrong?

  • MJRinPA

    “During a Fox News appearance, Representative Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) — who represents Lone Star College’s district — said she was in a gun violence prevention meeting when she learned of the shooting.”
    Ironic! Wonder what Fox News had to say about that?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joao.f.santos1 João Ferreira Dos Santos

    STILL. YOU ONLY CAN STOP A ARMED ASSAILANT WITH A GUN. CRAZY PEOPLE AND CRIMINALS DON´T CARE ABOUT GUN CONTROL. THAT IS A FACT. AND ALSO MORE PEOPLE DIE BY KNIFES AND HAMMERS THEN ASSAULT RIFLES BY FBI REPORTS.
    HERE IN BRAZIL THE POPULIST CORRUPT GOVERNMENT MAKE EVERY THINK POSSIBLE TO DISARM THE REGULAR HONEST CITIZEN AND WE ARE PAYING WITH OUR LIVES. MORE THE 50.000 MURDERS A YEAR BY ARMED CRIMINALS WHO DON´T CARE ABOUT ANY RULES OR REGULATIONS. I WISH WE HAVE A NRA TO FIGHT FOR MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. SO BE HAPPY IF YOU CAN EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO CARRY AND CONCEAL A WEAPON TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND LOVED ONES.

    • http://twitter.com/jmprint Mary Martinez

      Our government is not trying to disarm the public, just control the assault rifles and clips that hold more than 10 rounds. Does your constitution give you the right to bare arms?

      • Inthenameofliberty

        Controlling assault rifles will not fix the mental state of the people who need help.
        Who is identifying and helping them?
        Answer – ????.
        Who is helping the children who are being mentally abused by adults and their peers, causing anguish the likes of which we can’t possibly understand that leads to these horrific killings? Answer – again, help me, I don’t know.

        At our school there are anti-bullying and zero-tolerance bullying programs in place. But kids still slip through the cracks.

        What is causing our young children to decide to maim, kill, and complete these atrocious actions? When you can answer me that, then we will get somewhere.

        Meanwhile I will contend that spending money taking assault rifles off the streets could be better spent towards our kids who obviously are in need of help. What has happened in this country is a big cry out for help. But the kids aren’t getting the assistance that they need.

        Are they?

        • Hollie

          Finally someone that understands I figured I was fighting alone…there are so many factors involved let’s work on that.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            The question is how do we go about accomplishing these goals? I get annoyed at myself – I post on websites….but what am I actually doing but bantering with people?
            I want to put my money where my mouth is. But I have no clue how to actually make a difference.
            I suppose I should start on a small scale – attend school board meetings to learn more; become more active in the PTO and in the schools; if I see a child that needs help then I need to stand up for that child no matter how uncomfortable I am disturbing the parents; etc.
            There have to be other ways, though. Those things seem so small compared to the grand scale of problems that we face.
            I have only been closely monitoring this webpage for a few months although I’ve been reading it for a lot longer than that. And I’ll admit that I get rather abrupt and then downright nasty replying to many on this site. I need to turn over a new leaf and be more positive. But the whole ‘it’s all the Repubs fault’ ; it’s all Bush’s fault'; ‘you must be racist because you don’t like Obama’ — that gets on my nerves. Especially because I think most of our leaders are all at fault [and have been for YEARS] and we have to make major changes to fix our country. Really major.
            It’s nice to meet you, Hollie. Your posts were really great to read.

          • Hollie

            I don’t think there is a clear cut answer…when you deal with people each is unique and has different life experiences…I think in part we have raised a lack of accountability generation. It is always someone else fault…toughen the jail sentences mandatory jail on DUI 36 hours first offense second one counseling and treatment and impound their care severe penalties if anyone gives them a car to drive and mandatory ankle bracelets for a year they pay for…third time prison with Bubba.
            Increase the level of Medicaid to treat mental illness…although the sickest don’t seek help in my experience. Stop promising lower income people that the government will give you the same mat of entitlements as those that work their asses off…may having the police in our primary schools will be as positive as those that happen in the schools that do have them….I will step down off my soap box:) nice to meet you inthenameofliberty

      • Hollie

        They were not assault rifles those are already illegal!!

    • Hollie

      Thank you we appreciate your input.

    • Inthenameofliberty

      I feel for you and wish you safety in your home.

  • http://www.facebook.com/seoulboy.chang Seoulboy Chang

    Church leaders, educators and all of us should try to try to do MORAL REARMAMENT FOR OUR DAILY LIVES. Unless we are able to control our people, there seems to be no ending the gun violence. How we control these people’s souls and minds follow the moral laws and one’s conscience. Especially the church leaders in all walks should pay more attention to morally guide them. cs

  • Jonetta Kurtz

    Let’s at least take guns off the Internet, demand background checks at gun shows, demand obtaining licenses to own guns and lower the ammunition in clips. I would love the NRA to tell me why I need an assault rifle. Those need to go too but let’s start with baby steps. Let’s make assault rifles socially acceptable! The Second Amendment doesn’t say anything about being allowed to commit murder.

    • Hollie

      You don’t…the people that I know that have them just want them…target shooting whatever!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

      I agree with you but I would add another step that once the background is done, there should be follow up backgrounds and mental background checks done on a regular basics, because mental health can change and someone may pass a background check when they buy the gun first time , then they could go out and break the law committing a crime like child or spousal abuse or worse and still have the gun. Most gun owners will probably disagree with me and accuss me of trying to get their guns taken away but I don’t want to take anyone’s senable guns like the guns used to hunt, target shot and protection away from them if they haven’t broken any criminal laws and are in good mental health. Good mental health can change in a heartbeat if you receive a blow to head or something terrible happens to you or a love one and because of many other things, that is why I think mental health checks should be done also and every so often.

      • Inthenameofliberty

        It’s an interesting thought – but who will be in charge of the mental health checks?
        plz don’t say the government – most everything they touch becomes corrupted. It can not be helped, it seems. [I have had multiple contacts over the years that worked for the government, so I have some facts to back up my belief of corruptibility and lack of regulation of funds and resources in the past].
        So, a private organization running the background checks? How would they determine mental health and mental stability?
        I am being serious – I would like your input on how this could be achieved.

  • Nomoresmoke

    Folks, instead of strapping bombs to their bodies and leaving bomb laden cars in busy shopping areas, these imbalanced individuals are a tiny minority of our society. There were still 180 million gun owners today that didn’t shoot, mame, or kill one person. I despise the NRA, I am not a Wing Nut Repukelican but I do own guns and I have no intention of using them on innocent people. For the record Reagan and Brady were shot with a 22 pistol,Charles Whitman of the Austin Texas Tower shooting incident did not use large capacity weapons, additionally, he packed guns—a 35 caliber Remington rifle, a 6mm Remington rifle with a scope, a 357 Magnum Smith & Wesson revolver, a 9mm Luger pistol, and a Galesi-Brescia pistol. Later that morning he would buy two more weapons, a 30 caliber M-1 carbine and a 12-gauge shotgun and did carnage to more than 40 people with 17 deaths. We have a blight of sickness that is larger than the gun issue.

    • Inthenameofliberty

      “We have a blight of sickness that is larger than the gun issue.”

      AGREED to the extreme.
      So why isn’t this being talked about more?????

      I have written so many times that we adults are destroying our children. It is us.
      How do we fix it? Anyone can have a child – and ruin them. How do we make adults better so that they can raise respectful adults?

      Open to suggestions here.

      My social studies teacher once told us ‘you don’t have to love your neighbor….don’t have to like them….just have to respect them.’

      I am paraphrasing after all these years. But that is the sentiment. SO TRUE.

      Yet we humans are so far away from being civil and respectful that I don’t know if we’ll ever get there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.abrami Robert Abrami

    Let Gov. Rick Perry talk to his cohorts and continue to stand with the NRA. Now let the parents of these kids talk to their esteemed Governor. I’m told everything is big in Texas. I think they forgot about some people’s brains.

  • http://www.facebook.com/stillman.rogers Stillman Rogers

    Three new victims shot today on a college campus, shootings at 6 college campuses in the past month, 26 people including 20 first graders shot a month ago, more than 900 people shot and killed in the US within the past MONTH! More people are being killed right here at home than in any recent war. When will enough be enough.
    No one is asking to confiscate all guns but there is now rational reason to sell semi-automatice weapons intended for wartime use to private citizens. There is no valid reason for selling magazines capable of holding 20, 30 or even 100 rounds to a sportsman, even if he intends then to make mincemeat out of his game. I am a gun owner and I am sick of the carnage. Crazy people who see a government plot under every bed and who watch for black helicopters overhead should not be deciding how we protect our citizens from them.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

      I don’t think people that go along with the NRA and other gun groups government plot should own guns, if they are that parnoid they could start shooting at anytime and massacre innocent people because they think the people are government agents coming to take away their guns including babies in stollers or in someone’s arms. We have way to many people in this Country that are parnoid about a government plot to take away their beloved guns and if we aren’t very careful about what is done to protect our children from an other massacre like New Town from happening again, we are going to raise our children to either be afraid of their own shadows or so parnoid that they will think guns are the answer for everything.
      I did own a gun that my late husband bought me back in the 70’s because my job at the time was dangerous. When it got stolen when my house was broken into while I was out of town I was glad because like many people I have to much of a temper to own a gun. I was going to turn it over to the police when I came back to town anyway, this happened in the 70’s also. While I agree that as citizen I have the right to own a gun under the 2nd amendent I do no agree that any one that has a temper like I do and many other mental and health problems that other have should own a gun.

      • Hollie

        That’s why you don’t have a gun you recognize ur limitations. If you don’t want one good for you, but don’t infringe on my right to have one…thank you

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

          I would fight for your right to own a gun if need be but I won’t fight for anyone’s so called right to own weapons and ammo that only have one use and that is to kill me and others. Nor would I fight for the right to have ammo clips and magazines that hold a lot of ammo. You don’t need a hundred bullets if you are hunting or even target shooting, so why should a hundred bullet magazine be legal? If you cant’s stop a home invasion or slow it down long enough for the police to show up with 9 bullets what makes you can with 12 or more bullets ? There are people that are shot in the heat of the moment eveyday by people that have guns that should not been able to buy a gun in the first place.
          Even in the old west there was gun control laws and in most places stricter than they are now. Most towns in the old west did not allow any guns in town except for the sheriff and his deputies and the people that lived there, all others had to leave their guns outside of the city limits and pick them up after they left town, so that kept the violence down in the towns and saved lives. We don’t have laws like that anymore so if you own a gun legally or illegally you can pretty well carry that gun into any place you wish and against the rights of others that don’t want to be around guns in any form or fashion and are frighten more by the legal guns owners now days than they are of the bad guys
          That is not right, people now days are kept from going to places and doing things they enjoy because of the lax gun control laws many states now have. Don’t tell us we need to stay at home if we feel this way because we have the same right as a gun owner does to go and do things we want to do as they do but we don’t get that right anymore because of lax gun control laws. Because of all the gun carrying permits that have been issued in my neighborhood, which is considered to be a good neigborhood, I no longer walk around outside to get execise in my neighborhood. My reson for not walking in the neighborhood to many of the accidental ?? shootings that have happened in my area.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Well, if it weren’t for the shining example of Chicago one could be persuaded to agree with you.

            New York does a much better job of gun control with fewer illegal gun deaths.

            Chicago……I don’t want to live there. Gun control has meant NOTHING.

          • Hollie

            Assault rifles are already illegal, everyone knows that right? The second amendment was not put in place for hunting they were hunting everyday to feed their families…it was to prevent tranny. For a scared person who doesn’t shot a gun regularly it might take 12 just to hit them once. Funny you pick the old west as I live in the west…law abiding citizens don’t bring a concealed weapon into town..but evil people will kill no matter what..it appears that you live in a heavily populated city and I am sorry you fear ur neighbors. Chicago had the strongest gun laws highest death by guns…I have no desire to ever go near it why the gangs the drugs. I will stay in my state or one that holds the shooters accountable, voted out Obamacare and no state entitlements for illegals, you are welcome to come…in my neighborhood I have had bears, mountain lion, rutting Elk and Moose. I will take my chances with them instead of big city life…

          • bchrista

            you people keep going in all different directions and still don’t get te point I for one am like hillbilly I am of latin blood we are known for our quick temper a gun in my hand would be a dangerous thing so I wouldn’t own one and like me there are many more people than you think and although they are in denial they shouln’t own guns either, people also lie a lot quite a few own guns to exhibit them like an award or something, hey look what I got if they were confronted by a mugger they would probably piss in their pant before using the gun, you know I have never killed anyone but have talked to people that have and to hear them describe the feeling afterwards makes you think. Now criminals shoot first and then think about it later their profession demands it because they are already breaking the law yhe average citizen is a different type of animal he may practice all the time and be very good with a gun but that’s shooting at a target it’s another to take a live because you are taking away what he is all that he will ever be and you are responsble something created by God and will never be animate again. You may say tough shit but if you a normal human being it will stay with you forever, ask anyone that fought in a war, why do you think our boys come back tramitized, taking a life is a hell of a responsibility later on in life you might find yourself asking the question couldn’t I have just wounded him instead of killing him you will never know.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      LOL !! You Are So Right!! Nobody Taking Away Nobody Guns It’s To Keep The Gun From The CRAZIES!! What Wrong With Checking Their Background I Own A Gun Mine Had To Be Checked!!

    • karinursula

      Well said, you know they proposed a law to make it legal to carry concealed weapons on Campus in Texas?

      • Hollie

        Here is a thought maybe the shooter would have thought twice when he saw everyone packing.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

    NRA’s way to stop violence like this and what has happened in other places, is to have a contest where a NRA member can win 700 bullets . The information about this contest was posted on Facebook. Does anyone know for sure if the NRA is still considered a non profit organization and does not have to pay taxes? If they are a so called non profit organization lets start a campaign to revovke their non profit status and try to make them pay taxes on all money made or donated to the group in the future, now, and as far back as possible. No organization that promotes ideas and means for the killing of humans should ever be given a non profit organiztion. The main goal of the NRA today seem to be to see how many people they help their members and others kill with the guns that their major donors make and sell.

    • Hollie

      Your goofy

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

        How am I goofy when have posted I the truth about the NRA and their contest and what I and many others consider consider to be the truth about what the NRA of today is doing? At one time the NRA was good organization and didn’t front for weapon and ammo makers like they do today. I grew up in a time and place when most adults owned a gun and if they owned a pick up had a gun rack with with a rifle or shotgun in it and was responible gun users and owners thanks to their parents or NRA safety instructions.

        • Hollie

          I don’t know anything about the NRA but it is nice to have someone fight for the second amendment…I live in a state with five times the guns and horses then people. I live in a State that voted out Obama Care..no entitlements to illegals… And we voted to not follow the federal law about guns if it violates our state constitution…we can shot people if we feel threatened in our home…end of subject…so I guess it doesn’t really matter to us. We just thought we would help those out there with our voice.

          • karinursula

            Really?? And who threatened that shooter in Texas. You do know that the Wild West days are over? We don’t have gunfights at noon anymore.

          • Hollie

            That wasn’t me Karinursula…it was Hillybilly that was talking about sheriff and guns in the old west…not sure who you need to be talking too in your words “who threatened the shooter” if your asking me I don’t have a clue do you know something? I can’t even begin to understand why another person would shoot someone..I am sure the media will tell us..if it is true won’t know for sure.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1059664732 Mary Hamner Skelton

            The Constitution states that the right to bear arms shall not only be regulated, but WELL regulated (which is even stronger regulation). There are limits on the 1st Amendment right to free speech. One cannot foment treason, cause a riot, defame, etc. The federal Constitution trumps the state constitution if it treads on a federal power. The 2nd Amendment clearly gives the federal government the right to regulate gun ownership. It is time to regulate.

          • Hollie

            You left off militia…..a well regulated militia …necessity to secure a free state! Against government tranny….yeah that’s why people can buy legal MJ for medical reasons here… will be real hard for the federal attorney to get enough men to take on all the states fighting them. Explain how anyone of the executive orders would have stopped the CT shooting?

          • Hollie

            Mary I did some more research and found a case Mack verses the United States Supreme court 1997..brought by a Arizona Sheriff…thank you Arizona…the Sheriff of his county is the supreme law of his county he has the choice to uphold the Federal laws or not…the court said it was another check system to prevent Federal abuse of private citizens…very interesting…that explains all the Sheriffs coming forward and stating they will not enforce the federal gun laws…I do believe I can say Check Mate:)..here ends the history lesson…thank you challenging me to be better informed.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1059664732 Mary Hamner Skelton

        Spell check is your friend if you do not want to perpetuate the stereotype of gun lovers being synonymous with low IQs.

        • Hollie

          No it has to do with no spell check on Ipad, or pad trying to determine what it thinks I mean…and last didn’t proof read…alternating with a friend giving medical advice for infant with influenza…I forgive you

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1059664732 Mary Hamner Skelton

            I did not apologize .

  • Futsey

    I’m sure there are stories about people using their gun to protect their family, but innocents being shot far out weigh them.

    This time the shooting took place in a computer lab. Even with my 2 finger style of typing, I would find it extremely slow to try and type while holding a gun. This points out a consistent problem with the “Gun as defense” idea; the BAD GUY with the gun will always be faster. This is particularly true with a semi automatic weapon. By the time some (Responsible-gun-owner) could get their gun out of their backpack, and click of the safety, or undo a trigger lock, the Bad Guy could unload a large number of rounds.

    • Hollie

      You do know that there are handguns that shoot more than one bullet don’t you?

  • J. Justin Knoop

    Only three people? For Texas that is hardly worth mentioning!
    Let’s allow all who want to to carry arms at colleges to do so! At least, that will make it worthwhile.
    And why stop at colleges? Think of all the mayhem that gun-toters could do at high schools, hell, elementary school students should be able to carry them. They are at least as responsible gun carriers as the nuts who think they need assault weapons to fight off the United Nations troops that come in black helicopters.

    • Hollie

      In what ozone layer did you get that people want to fight the united nation troops(which is usually the US)…what are you smoking?

  • Inthenameofliberty

    Controlling assault rifles will not fix the mental state of the people who need help.
    Who is identifying and helping them?
    Answer – ????.
    Who is helping the children who are being mentally abused by adults and their peers, causing anguish the likes of which I can’t possibly understand that leads to these horrific killings? Answer – again, help me, I don’t know.

    At our school there are anti-bullying and zero-tolerance bullying programs in place. But kids still slip through the cracks.

    What is causing our young children to decide to maim, kill, and complete these atrocious actions? When you can answer me that, then we will get somewhere.

    Meanwhile I will contend that spending money taking assault rifles off the streets could be better spent towards our kids who obviously are in need of help. What has happened in this country is a bid cry out for help. But the kids aren’t getting the help they need.

    Are they?

    Where is the family unit [stable unit of one to two loving and caring parents, can be of any sex in my scenario] teaching tolerance, respect, kindness, charity – where is it? It has been mostly missing in much of America.

  • bchrista

    My answer to the mddleclasstaxpayer for his asine comment is simple how about the 15 year old that just shot his father, mother, brother and two sisters and that aint typical liberal lying BS that is, a fact, if he hadn’t been stopped he was planning to visit the local Walmart and drop a few there, you see the trouble with people like you is that they always stick their foot in their mouth because they always have their motor running ready to attack any thing that is said by someone that doesn’t agree with your way of thinking and then you wind up with a face full of shit and another Repub gets shot down. Friend it’s best to keep your mouth shut and let people think you’re a smart person, than open your mouth and let them see what an idiot you really are.

  • onedonewong

    Unfortunately every one of these shootings have 1 common denominator…they were all educated in public schools where religion and morality are forbidden

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1059664732 Mary Hamner Skelton

      Oh grow up and grow a brain.

      • onedonewong

        Thanks hammer for your comment without offering any thoughtful rebuttal

    • Hollie

      Good point if true…I am not saying your a liar it is just the news we get…it takes me a whole to research the truth of things that are said..love snopes

    • roguerunners

      Give me a break with the religion junk! I was taught in public schools and religion and morality WERE NOT FORBIDDEN! I am a moral person. Do good every day. Love everyone, religious or not. But I don’t go to church. Too much hypocrisy for me there. I prayed every day in school. Privately. Respectful of all Religions. It’s how I was brought up. To be a moral, respectful, honest responsible gun owner.
      Question: If open prayer were allowed in public schools, would you be fine with Muslim Americans worshiping openly beside your Christian Son’s and Daughters?
      Food for thought…

      • onedonewong

        Mooslims not only practice in MD they are allowed to leave classes 10 minute early for a group pig roast.
        As for public schools the proof is in the pudding. There are just 2 common threads with the shootings and public schools is one and mentally defective is the other

  • vmaxines

    All of you who want to keep guns and are not officers of the law should have your head check, because you really don’t seem to have anything in them. Only a fool would want to keep a lot of
    guns around them. Don’t you fools know that guns are dangerous, if you have never had anyone in your in your family killed by a gun then you don’t understand the danger of guns. Only a fool would want a gun that shoot 30 or 40 rounds. Why do you need them?

    I wish the government would take everyone of the gun all you damn fools have and shut down all these gun shows.

    Why do you want to hunt with guns, you don’t want anyone hunting you down with a gun and shooting you for pleasure, it sound so silly when any of you say that you hunt for pleasure. Killing anything or anyone for pleasure is a sickness that this world need to get over. If it was the other way around you would not be happy about it or like the idea of being hunted to be shot at and killed. Just think about use so common sense.

  • bchrista

    What really galls me is that everybody is talking and not listening, believe me if the Government wanted to know who owned guns and who didn’t do you people really believe they couldn’t find out , with their improved system of spying they would know within weeks maybe later down the road they plan to disarm everyone but I don’t think so, their main concern is making the public happy and that is to collect all assualt guns and heavy loaded magizines and make the schools, work places, and homes safer. People keep talking about Crimminals attacking you in your own home and slaying your whole family well friends keep reading the news and you may find that more family are slaughtered by a family member than a fhief don’t get me wrong I didn’t say breakins I said killing families most breakins are just looking for either cash or something to sell and killing people draws too much heat and if they have something to sell the buyers shy away from them and the goods become trash because a fence won’t touch for fear that they will be busted for receiving stolen property and an acomplice to murder. The problem with guns in homes is the supervision is lax and anyone has access to the guns, and kids of today are not the same type of kids of 20,30,40 years ago kids then respected their mother and father, they would rather die than hurt their family of course there is always that one was differentit has been that way since the beginning of time but as a whole the majority were well behaved they didn’t to face punishment at home, but since the Supreme Court handed down their decision on spanking the parents feel fear that they will go to jail so they have relaxed their ways and the kids have run wild ever since. Th back talk to their parents cuss them out and in some cases have been known t attack their parents when tey didn’t agree with them. My mother raised 5 kids by her self my father was Cuban and was deported when his Visa expired that was in the days way before Castro, 1931, my other step fathers died leaving her to raise 5 kids and even at the age of 21 if I had said some of the things that kids of today have said to their parents I wolud have been sucking soup through a straw because I wouldn’t have had teeth to chew with. But that’s the difference with kids of today, they do as they please when they pleaseand nobody can correct them because they retain their anger and build up their hatred for the decipline that their parents impose on them and one day out of a clrar blue sky they implode and strike out everybody they feel they needto punish to get even and even the innocents suffer. meanwhile their father has stockpiled an arsenal of various weapons and just think al they have t do is start shooting and it is usually at home an another gun lover goes down with his family.

  • Hollie

    Are you going to tell me that they(gov)sold them to Arizona gun shops and they sold them to the Mexican drug cartel? You do know that assault rifles are illegal in the united states? I know the congressional committee investigating this hasn’t been completed…

    • roguerunners

      “Fast and Furious” was STARTED by the BUSH Administration!!! In place BEFORE Obama took office!

  • Hollie

    What is ?

  • bchrista

    LET ME TELL YOU PEOPLE SOMETHING THESE TWO ASSHOLES THAT HAVE BEEN POSTING THESE LIES ABOUT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE ASHAME OF THEMSELVES THE PRESIDENT CANNOT DECIDE WHO GUARDS HIM AND HIS FAMILY THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE PRESIDENT DIDNOT SIGN ANYSUCH ORDER. HOLLIE AND MIDDLECLASSTAXPAYER HAVE JUST COMMITED THE MOST TREASONIST ACT I HAVE EVER HEARD THE BULLSHIT THEY HAVE SPOUTED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT IS UNREAL, SAYING THAT THEPRESIDENT SIGNED ORDERS FOR HISS OWN PROPTECTION IS AN OUT RIGHT LIE, THAT HE SHOULD NOT GET PROTECTION FOR HIM AND HIS FAMILY IS DISGUSTING A PROCESS THAT STARTED WITH THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY ANDHE SHOULD BE THE FIRST ONE TO REFUSE TO BE GUARDED BY THE SECRET SERVICE BECAUSE HE IS NOT PROVIDING THE SAME SERVICE THE OTHER KIDS, WHAT THEY OVER LOOKED IS THAT THE SECURITY AT THE SCHOOLS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SCHOOLS, AT NO TIME DID I HEAR OBAMA SAY NO ARMED GUARDS AT SCHOOLS, HEY BOB BRINDEL HOW DO YOU LIKE YOUR LYING FRIENDS, HOLLIE AND MIDDLECLASS(LESS)PAYER THE PROTECTION THE GIRLS GET AT SCHOOL IS PART OF THE PACKAGE PROVIDED THE PRESIDENT BY THE CONSTITUTION. THESE TWO HAVE COMPLETELY PROSTITUTED THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY BY THEIR COMMENTS, THAT’S WHY THIS COUNTRY FOUND IT’S SELF IN THE SHAPE IT WAS IN WHEN OBAMA WAS FIRST ELECTED IN 2008 BECAUSE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEIR NOSES SO FAR UP THE ASSES OF THE REPUBLICANS AND THE TEAPARTY THEY CAN’T REASON OR DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES ON MATTERS CONCERNING THEIR OWN COUNTRY AND HAVE ALLOWED BIG COROPERATIONS AND THE REPUBLICANS TO STEAL THEIR COUNTRY FROM UNDER THEIR NOSES.

    • Hollie

      Why are you shouting? Slow down big boy…why doesn’t he give federal money to put officers in . He circumvented congress and wrote executive orders..he could have written one for no secret service protection until all children protected …if what you say is true…if he can mess with the second amendment he surely can about the secret service. Go look up treason nothing I said was treasonous. Why attack the middle-class they support the entitlements and the poor…and they are in short supply. The government is for the people and by the people…he serves us…as does congress….stop blaming the republicans..they are pro jobs…

      • thebunt

        If you don’t think that the President needs more protection that the average American, just check out the FOX News blogs. Several said they would watch the inauguration just hoping someone would shoot the president. I think some of them just might be Republicans. Just a guess.

  • bchrista

    Hey inthenameofliberty I agree with you about mental health problems being an issue but the problem with is not all people that commit the crimes are mentally deficient they only get that way after they commit the crime as a way of getting out of being executed if you look at the expression of the nut that shot up that theater I bet he didn’t have look on his face while he was pulling the trigger if you read upon some of the things he did they are not the work of a mental person if fact his lawyers are fighting like hell to keep some of the material the police confiscatedfrom him and a crazy person doesn’t wire up his home to blow up to destroy evidence and kill more people. that guy is super intellegent, unlike the guy that killed his mom and then proceeded to shoot all those children, they claim that was a case of jealousy because he felt that his mother cared more for them kids than she did him, she supposedly worked there sometimes I am little awed that you agree with Hollie’s comment you are more intellegent than that.

    • Hollie

      What comment?

  • bchrista

    Hey intenameofliberty the answer is right there in front of you only you keep missing it because it’s so obvious. We lost control of our kids when the Supreme Court intervened and denied parents the right to punish their kids for fear of going to jail, that let the horse out of the barn now the problem has become a larger issue with the injection of the internet, facebook,twitter, texting and all the other means of communications that kids have at their desposal. there is a constant underground line advising kids what to do in certain situations and the parents are out of this source of news before all this technology the only means of communications was the telephone and the parent could control that once they lost that advantage I ‘m not saying that the kids were completely isolated but they didn’t have the power they have now we have to figure how to control that power or they will be lost forevermay someday control us, Oh! I almost forgot the Computer, someone has to develope a system that controls all those objects with the push of a button but until that day we have lost them, remember the last killer of his family was the son of a Pastor.

  • jdecp1

    A pistol-packing America leads to a gun-shot-wounded America. When will that clearest of connections become common sense in our land?

    The shootout at the O.K. Corral is fast becoming the metaphor for life and death on the American frontier of madness.

  • bchrista

    I think Hollie needs to take in American History,the Constitution, the 2nd Amendment and Economics before he posts here again and then he’ll understand the responsibilities of the President of the United States and what he can do and what he can’t do and the responsibility of the Secrect Service. then maybe he /she will understand that the President does not have control over what the Congress and how they spend the peoples money. he proposes something to the Senate and they vote on it then in turn if passed it goes to the Congress and they must agree on it, if they do then it goes back to the President for his signature and only at that time it becomes law, and the Congress has the option if the President vetos what the Congress passes to vote to over the veto. So all thecomments you posted just recently about what the President did and didn’t do was pure garbage in fact other than signing the Bills that come ou of the Congress he is restricted in his joba King weilds more power, so does a Dictatoror an Emperor

  • Thomas Michael Thompson

    I have come to expect stupid comments from Dominick . The way I see the shooter wanted to get
    at the one man and knew that at a school he could shoot at will ! No cops , no guards , no worries !
    Just what should be expected with what Obama and Dominick Vila wants ! The shooter could not
    have gotten past armed guards Dom ! But rest at ease Dom we have another dumb ass who gave hollie stupid advice that goes well past what you have written isn’t that right stcroixcarp ?
    Hollie by a gun ! Aix shooter is easy to use and will protect you just like the gun that protected
    the woman and her 3 year old daughter and just like the 12 year old who shot a man who broke into her and her mothers home and was in her bedroom ! What was he doing there stcroixcarp ?
    What would he have done to that 12 year old girl had she not had a gun ? Think about that Hollie and buy a gun !

  • Thomas Michael Thompson

    Middleclasstaxpayer had an even better example than mine ! Such people as the ones that tortured,raped and then murdered the doctors daughters and wife even after the doctor
    did everything the murders demanded ! They showed no mercy ! What do you and stcroixcarp
    think about that ? My advice to all who read this . By a gun or guns, keep them safe, learn hoe to use them safley and teach these safty rules to all in the home ! Then be ready to use your gun
    or guns to protect yourself and your family and be sure that each member who is old enough tho understand how to use a gun in a safe way , knows where the gun or guns are ! Even the very young must know that a gun can kill and must be used with the greatest respect !

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XN3LMKJ7ZYICP253PIQNLDEUUU DScriptures

    America has to do something about gun control. God will help this country. No debate . Guns are weapons in the hand of the devil, and only devilish people will continue to support its reckless use outside the military. May God help America.

  • thebunt

    Let’s face it. You people (Americans) are crazy. On Hannity the other night he had a woman gun expert fire a lot of different guns and then they examined the bullet holes. Then, like an attourney presenting a surprise witness, he proved that the weapons the President wants to ban actually made the smallest holes. This proves to him the folly of any gun-control.

    Maybe next week he can interview a a victim that recovered (maybe Gabby Gifford) whether she would prefer a lot of smaller holes or a couple of big ones.

    Saturday Night Live are missing something if they don’t get hire him as a writer.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GZZE2TFM6VDXQTRTRGKO2RORF4 Robert

    I have been studying the subversion in the United States of America. Last couple of days in Stockton we have been having lots of psychotic and impulsive anger towards people babbling.

    I think it is carrion infestation with a nerve agent in the air like lead or mecury. This type of subversion has been done in the Chicago Riots in the 1917s before the Communist Revolution in Russian. Historically it was a Unionist method to clamped down on cities in the Mid West to control them through threat of violent overthrow by the communist movement.

    So in Stockton we have lead in the air with carrion infestation and trashing and people babbling and fighting verbally with each other. Do you think Houston is being gassed and food contaimination is causing the violent outbreaks.

    I am expert in a symmytral war, and Political Psychology or tactics.

  • Hollie

    I beat Hitler is your hero…remember Wounded Knee?

  • Hollie

    I know

  • 2senmail4

    R&B – Why is it that this random gun violence did not occur back when you could buy guns much easier, and mentally ill people were not even paid much attention to. It seems that the more gun laws have been passed the more you have mass shootings! Could it be that a generation has emerged that does not have the respect or fear of authority as once was the case, and so some problem individuals in recent times are more inclined to act out in places like schools, movie shows, and even religious institutions which in previous days no one would think of doing!!! Is it a Karma like coincidence that schools are often targeted for these mass shootings since the caviler atmosphere that American schools have allowed over the decades has long since become a major source where students routinely learn, to disrespect authority along with their ABC’s. The sad part is that the biology of American students is no different than that of a culture like Japan where students are more cultured by the adults in that society to respect authority i.e. stand and bow for teachers, and wait until they seat down before the whole class sits! If administrators /parents/teachers, and legislator’s in America can get it through their heads that discipline is a serious matter and starting with newer students from the early years on, communicate this to them, much can be done to counteract the lack of respect often directed towards some of these once highly regarded institutions i.e. schools movie shows, religious institutions, etc. Young kids (95% of them) are beautiful, and can be condition almost any way Adults want to condition them! If society’s schools in particular uniformly train them to respect authority/schools, etc. they will, but you have to be consistent with such training. This will go a long way toward resolving the current mass shooting occurrences in the long run or this approach will be needed to supplement any other legal measures taken. History very well demonstrated that more gun laws alone will not solve this problem!!! The major problem is Adult educators/parents/”state legislator’s who passed laws restricting school discipline,which has been very bad for inner city/troubled schools,) caviler attitudes towards discipline/morality in schools over the decades not the students. They mainly do what Adults allow them to do, or get away with, and deep inside they do not respect Adults for doing this!

  • DEFENDER88

    I agree, rationing guns will not fix the problems.
    But on the mental health issue, I have a theory that is supported by some facts.
    I am 65 yr old and seen a lot of what was and what now is and what has changed and not changed.
    The ratio of guns has not changed that much – I dont have the data but I dont think it has changed that much. When I was young 1/2 the trucks in the lot had a gun in the rack in the back window. But no one got shot and no one was worried about it.

    What HAS changed in the last 10-15 yrs is two important things that relate to the mass killings.

    1) Drugs – Most of the mass killings are being done by young white men who are on the new designer drugs
    When I was growing up, if a kid acted up he got his ass whipped. If he had mental problems he was put in an institution and drugged where they could control them. Now they are medicated at home and now live among us with no control at all. Another good idea of the intellectual elite gone wrong.

    Most of the killers now days are on some drug when they start the killing – Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.
    Problem is they are not now in institutions, they are now out there among us, at home with their parents under no “real” control.
    So they kill their parents and the closest soft target they can find like kids in school.

    This is not an argument for putting kids in institutions but just recognizing the new problem ie Kids(Young White Men) on Drugs killing people.

    From what I am hearing and seeing there seems to be an undeniable common link here.
    As we say in math – A very high, positive correlation.

    2)Gun Free Zones with no security – an idea gone terribly wrong.

    As for the every-day killings in the ghettos etc(75% of gun crime in the US) – that is a separate issue with different causes which will require different solutions.

  • DEFENDER88

    Fern – as a nurse, I assume you know something about drugs.
    Since “I” dont really know that much about them.
    I would like to get your opinion as to my thinking below about the link between Drugs and these Mass Murders.

    I also have a following section in here about gun crime in the Ghettos but that is a separate issue with different causes and effects.

    Thanks
    DEFENDER88

    I am 65 yr old so I have been around long enough to have seen what has not changed and what has changed in this country.

    Changes like:
    Like mass murders in schools.
    And like everyday murders in the ghettos, mostly low income black areas of town, but white also.
    Where, by the way, some 75% of gun crime in this country is done.

    When I was in high school ’61-’65, a good 1/2 of the pick-up trucks in the school parking lot had rifles in a rack in the back window.
    No one ever thought anything about it. No one ever got shot. You could have walked down the hall with a rifle and no one would have been concerned. Curious maybe but not worried. Some schools who had shooting teams brought them into schools, but again, no one ever got shot or even concerned.

    Proportionately I believe there were as many guns available then as now.

    So I asked myself, what has changed from then to now?

    And what are the main problem areas and what are the causes.
    I see 2 main problem areas.
    1) Mass murders in schools(ie Gun Free Zones)
    2) Everyday killings in the “Hood” ie on the streets

    1) Mass murders in schools
    Most of the mass murders in schools and other places are being done by young white men in their early 20’s.
    And that started, what 10, 15 yr ago?
    Why?

    Another common link I just became aware of was prescribed anti-depressent drugs.
    Which back in ’61-’65 was pretty much unheard of.
    If you got out of line you got your ass busted. You did not get drugged unless you went to an institution where they could control you.
    Of course now that is child abuse.
    Think I could argue putting them on drugs is also an abuse and apparently a danger to society.

    I understand most of the killers now days are on some drug when they start the killing – Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.
    Problem is they are not now in institutions, they are now out there among us, at home with their parents under no “real” control.
    Often they kill their parents then head to the nearest school, church or mall (ie soft target) to kill as many as they can.

    This is not an argument for putting kids in institutions but just recognizing the new problem ie Kids(Young White Men) on Drugs killing people.

    From what I am hearing and seeing there seems to be an undeniable common link here.
    As we say in math – A very high, positive correlation.

    2)Every day killings in the “Hood”
    Which is about 75% or so of gun crime in the US.
    As for the every day killings in the Ghettos – Again Drugs but of a different form.
    Seems most of the now illegal drugs used to be legal in this country.
    Virtually all drugs were legal here at one time. Even hard drugs like cocaine and heroin and most others.
    How and why did that happen? Not sure how, but It did.
    But people who abused them did not go out and kill school kids or shoot up theaters.
    But we did not have designer drugs like Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.

    Also, seems to me many young Black folks, being dis-advantaged from a jobs stand-point and wanting to live the “dream”, like we all do, found it much easier to turn to the drug trade than to find honest work because of discrimination, etc. I hear many especially in the bigger cities find it much harder to go straight then to deal drugs.
    And the drug trade leads to guns. Not the other way around.
    ie The actual causal effect is the drug trade not the guns.

    I also cite here the murders in Mexico, again- because of the drug trade.
    The worse the drug Trade the more the guns and killings.
    Not the other way around – Guns dont lead to drugs. But drugs DO lead to guns and killing.

    My point is:
    The drugs are the “Root” problem.
    Not the guns.

    My other thought here is – If we legalized all drugs (like it used to be) – the killings would be reduced drastically.
    We could empty 3/4 of the prisons and jails. Do away with 1/2 the police. Tax them(drugs) like liquor and balance the budget.

    But stop wholesale drugging of kids.
    Or “ban” “that”.

    So –
    Legalize – the old drugs that did not produce violent behaviors – Weed, Cocaine, Heroin, ….
    Ban – New designer drugs (The Root cause of these murders) that Do propagate Violent behaviors.

    3) Banning guns
    Seems there are already so many out there, especially in the inner cities that a ban will have little effect there for a long long time, if ever.
    It has not worked that well in Chicago, for example, ie the Gun Crime capital of the country.
    And it has not worked in Mexico. Again – “Drug” Cartels.

    In short, I just dont think a ban on guns will help that much with the killings going on at schools.
    We should concentrate on things that “can” have an “immediate effect” like increased security.

    So – from all the above – I dont think that guns is the “Root” problem/s.

    That IS the objective is it not? Stopping the killing. And soon.

    4) Gun Control
    There are some things that should be done to keep them out of the hands of the bad guys and crazies but not deny legal owners the right to self defense.

    I want to see the killings stop, as much if not more than everyone else. But think we should concentrate or efforts on fixing the “root” problems ie in large part – Drugs. And I would add a phyc test for gun permitting.

    Regarding Bans
    Seems the ban on drugs has just lead to more killing.
    I expect a ban on guns will not do much better since they are not the “Root Driver” of the killings and there are just too many out there already. The horse is already out of the barn on this. It may help after 20yrs or more but not right now and maybe never considering all the various nefarious means they are imported.

  • DEFENDER88

    Fern – as a nurse, I assume you know something about drugs.
    Since “I” dont really know that much about them.
    I would like to get your opinion as to my thinking below about the link between Drugs and these Mass Murders.

    I also have a following section in here about gun crime in the Ghettos but that is a separate issue with different causes and effects.

    Thanks
    DEFENDER88

    I am 65 yr old so I have been around long enough to have seen what has not changed and what has changed in this country.

    Changes like:
    Like mass murders in schools.
    And like everyday murders in the ghettos, mostly low income black areas of town, but white also.
    Where, by the way, some 75% of gun crime in this country is done.

    When I was in high school ’61-’65, a good 1/2 of the pick-up trucks in the school parking lot had rifles in a rack in the back window.
    No one ever thought anything about it. No one ever got shot. You could have walked down the hall with a rifle and no one would have been concerned. Curious maybe but not worried. Some schools who had shooting teams brought them into schools, but again, no one ever got shot or even concerned.

    Proportionately I believe there were as many guns available then as now.

    So I asked myself, what has changed from then to now?

    And what are the main problem areas and what are the causes.
    I see 2 main problem areas.
    1) Mass murders in schools(ie Gun Free Zones)
    2) Everyday killings in the “Hood” ie on the streets

    1) Mass murders in schools
    Most of the mass murders in schools and other places are being done by young white men in their early 20’s.
    And that started, what 10, 15 yr ago?
    Why?

    Another common link I just became aware of was prescribed anti-depressent drugs.
    Which back in ’61-’65 was pretty much unheard of.
    If you got out of line you got your ass busted. You did not get drugged unless you went to an institution where they could control you.
    Of course now that is child abuse.
    Think I could argue putting them on drugs is also an abuse and apparently a danger to society.

    I understand most of the killers now days are on some drug when they start the killing – Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.
    Problem is they are not now in institutions, they are now out there among us, at home with their parents under no “real” control.
    Often they kill their parents then head to the nearest school, church or mall (ie soft target) to kill as many as they can.

    This is not an argument for putting kids in institutions but just recognizing the new problem ie Kids(Young White Men) on Drugs killing people.

    From what I am hearing and seeing there seems to be an undeniable common link here.
    As we say in math – A very high, positive correlation.

    2)Every day killings in the “Hood”
    Which is about 75% or so of gun crime in the US.
    As for the every day killings in the Ghettos – Again Drugs but of a different form.
    Seems most of the now illegal drugs used to be legal in this country.
    Virtually all drugs were legal here at one time. Even hard drugs like cocaine and heroin and most others.
    How and why did that happen? Not sure how, but It did.
    But people who abused them did not go out and kill school kids or shoot up theaters.
    But we did not have designer drugs like Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.

    Also, seems to me many young Black folks, being dis-advantaged from a jobs stand-point and wanting to live the “dream”, like we all do, found it much easier to turn to the drug trade than to find honest work because of discrimination, etc. I hear many especially in the bigger cities find it much harder to go straight then to deal drugs.
    And the drug trade leads to guns. Not the other way around.
    ie The actual causal effect is the drug trade not the guns.

    I also cite here the murders in Mexico, again- because of the drug trade.
    The worse the drug Trade the more the guns and killings.
    Not the other way around – Guns dont lead to drugs. But drugs DO lead to guns and killing.

    My point is:
    The drugs are the “Root” problem.
    Not the guns.

    My other thought here is – If we legalized all drugs (like it used to be) – the killings would be reduced drastically.
    We could empty 3/4 of the prisons and jails. Do away with 1/2 the police. Tax them(drugs) like liquor and balance the budget.

    But stop wholesale drugging of kids.
    Or “ban” “that”.

    So –
    Legalize – the old drugs that did not produce violent behaviors – Weed, Cocaine, Heroin, ….
    Ban – New designer drugs (The Root cause of these murders) that Do propagate Violent behaviors.

    3) Banning guns
    Seems there are already so many out there, especially in the inner cities that a ban will have little effect there for a long long time, if ever.
    It has not worked that well in Chicago, for example, ie the Gun Crime capital of the country.
    And it has not worked in Mexico. Again – “Drug” Cartels.

    In short, I just dont think a ban on guns will help that much with the killings going on at schools.
    We should concentrate on things that “can” have an “immediate effect” like increased security.

    So – from all the above – I dont think that guns is the “Root” problem/s.

    That IS the objective is it not? Stopping the killing. And soon.

    4) Gun Control
    There are some things that should be done to keep them out of the hands of the bad guys and crazies but not deny legal owners the right to self defense.

    I want to see the killings stop, as much if not more than everyone else. But think we should concentrate or efforts on fixing the “root” problems ie in large part – Drugs. And I would add a phyc test for gun permitting.

    Regarding Bans
    Seems the ban on drugs has just lead to more killing.
    I expect a ban on guns will not do much better since they are not the “Root Driver” of the killings and there are just too many out there already. The horse is already out of the barn on this. It may help after 20yrs or more but not right now and maybe never considering all the various nefarious means they are imported.

  • DEFENDER88

    Fern
    As a nurse, I would like to get youR opinion on my thoughts below regarding the link between drugs and the mass killings. I know a lot about guns but not much about drugs.

    Thanks
    DEFENDER88

    I am 65 yr old so I have been around long enough to have seen what has not changed and what has changed in this country.

    Changes like:
    Like mass murders in schools.
    And like everyday murders in the ghettos, mostly low income black areas of town, but white also.
    Where, by the way, some 75% of gun crime in this country is done.

    When I was in high school ’61-’65, a good 1/2 of the pick-up trucks in the school parking lot had rifles in a rack in the back window.
    No one ever thought anything about it. No one ever got shot. You could have walked down the hall with a rifle and no one would have been concerned. Curious maybe but not worried. Some schools who had shooting teams brought them into schools, but again, no one ever got shot or even concerned.

    Proportionately I believe there were as many guns available then as now.

    So I asked myself, what has changed from then to now?

    And what are the main problem areas and what are the causes.
    I see 2 main problem areas.
    1) Mass murders in schools(ie Gun Free Zones)
    2) Everyday killings in the “Hood” ie on the streets

    1) Mass murders in schools
    Most of the mass murders in schools and other places are being done by young white men in their early 20’s.
    And that started, what 10, 15 yr ago?
    Why?

    Another common link I just became aware of was prescribed anti-depressent drugs.
    Which back in ’61-’65 was pretty much unheard of.
    If you got out of line you got your ass busted. You did not get drugged unless you went to an institution where they could control you.
    Of course now that is child abuse.
    Think I could argue putting them on drugs is also an abuse and apparently a danger to society.

    I understand most of the killers now days are on some drug when they start the killing – Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.
    Problem is they are not now in institutions, they are now out there among us, at home with their parents under no “real” control.
    Often they kill their parents then head to the nearest school, church or mall (ie soft target) to kill as many as they can.

    This is not an argument for putting kids in institutions but just recognizing the new problem ie Kids(Young White Men) on Drugs killing people.

    From what I am hearing and seeing there seems to be an undeniable common link here.
    As we say in math – A very high, positive correlation.

    2)Every day killings in the “Hood”
    Which is about 75% or so of gun crime in the US.
    As for the every day killings in the Ghettos – Again Drugs but of a different form.
    Seems most of the now illegal drugs used to be legal in this country.
    Virtually all drugs were legal here at one time. Even hard drugs like cocaine and heroin and most others.
    How and why did that happen? Not sure how, but It did.
    But people who abused them did not go out and kill school kids or shoot up theaters.
    But we did not have designer drugs like Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.

    Also, seems to me many young Black folks, being dis-advantaged from a jobs stand-point and wanting to live the “dream”, like we all do, found it much easier to turn to the drug trade than to find honest work because of discrimination, etc. I hear many especially in the bigger cities find it much harder to go straight then to deal drugs.
    And the drug trade leads to guns. Not the other way around.
    ie The actual causal effect is the drug trade not the guns.

    I also cite here the murders in Mexico, again- because of the drug trade.
    The worse the drug Trade the more the guns and killings.
    Not the other way around – Guns dont lead to drugs. But drugs DO lead to guns and killing.

    My point is:
    The drugs are the “Root” problem.
    Not the guns.

    My other thought here is – If we legalized all drugs (like it used to be) – the killings would be reduced drastically.
    We could empty 3/4 of the prisons and jails. Do away with 1/2 the police. Tax them(drugs) like liquor and balance the budget.

    But stop wholesale drugging of kids.
    Or “ban” “that”.

    So –
    Legalize – the old drugs that did not produce violent behaviors – Weed, Cocaine, Heroin, ….
    Ban – New designer drugs (The Root cause of these murders) that Do propagate Violent behaviors.

    3) Banning guns
    Seems there are already so many out there, especially in the inner cities that a ban will have little effect there for a long long time, if ever.
    It has not worked that well in Chicago, for example, ie the Gun Crime capital of the country.
    And it has not worked in Mexico. Again – “Drug” Cartels.

    In short, I just dont think a ban on guns will help that much with the killings going on at schools.
    We should concentrate on things that “can” have an “immediate effect” like increased security.

    So – from all the above – I dont think that guns is the “Root” problem/s.

    That IS the objective is it not? Stopping the killing. And soon.

    4) Gun Control
    There are some things that should be done to keep them out of the hands of the bad guys and crazies but not deny legal owners the right to self defense.

    I want to see the killings stop, as much if not more than everyone else. But think we should concentrate or efforts on fixing the “root” problems ie in large part – Drugs. And I would add a phyc test for gun permitting.

    Regarding Bans
    Seems the ban on drugs has just lead to more killing.
    I expect a ban on guns will not do much better since they are not the “Root Driver” of the killings and there are just too many out there already. The horse is already out of the barn on this. It may help after 20yrs or more but not right now and maybe never considering all the various nefarious means they are imported.

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