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Monday, September 26, 2016

Edward Snowden became at least a minor historical figure Sunday afternoon when The Guardian‘s Glenn Greenwald announced that the 29-year-old employee of defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton was the source for a series of stories about secret surveillance by the U.S. government.

“I don’t want to live in a society that does these sort of things,” Snowden said, in an interview.

Snowden left his job in Hawaii two weeks ago, telling his employers that he was seeking treatment for his epilepsy. He went to Hong Kong, where he was staying in an upscale hotel on the day his identity was announced to the world. Allegedly, Snowden checked out of his hotel Monday. CNN reported that he was “running out of cash” Sunday but has since deleted that from its story.

Within minutes of his identity being revealed, this former donor to Ron Paul’s last presidential campaign was receiving praise from Michael Moore and Daniel Ellsberg, who released the Pentagon Papers. Soon Glenn Beck joined their reverie, following Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) in attacking the president from the left on the NSA’s massive tracking of metadata and the so-called PRISM program.

But other Republicans are far less forgiving of Snowden. Both Mike Rogers (R-MI) and Peter King (R-NY) have said whoever leaked classified information about these programs should be arrested.

Influential Republican commentator Bill Kristol said “conservatives and Republicans are making a huge mistake” by criticizing President Obama over alleged NSA spying. “National security is different from internal matters of the government,” he told Fox News’ Chris Wallace. “We’re dealing with foreign threats here.”

The Daily Beast’s Michael Tomasky is predicting this tension between Republicans attacking and defending the president over this program will end up “tearing the GOP apart.” He believes the divide between anti-war “crank-libertarians” and pro-war “neo-conservatives” will eventually create irreparable divisions in the party:

The war caucus still dominates inside the GOP. But what really dominates the Republican Party mindset, what conquers everything, is the thermogenic desire to see Barack Obama have a bad day at the office, whatever it takes. So to the extent that Snowden proves useful to them in the coming days and weeks, they will use him. And liberals should say: Let them.

No one knows whether Hong Kong would extradite Snowden to the United States. Some questioned choosing Hong Kong as a destination when China is not exactly known for its civil liberties. But Talking Points Memo Josh Marshall points out that it’s unlikely the Chinese government would want to hand Snowden over, regardless of what Hong Kong’s extradiction treaty with the United States says.

Senator Mark Udall (D-CO) has called for a reopening of the PATRIOT Act. A vast majority of Republicans voted to reauthorize the law in 2011.

Update: The post originally said that Steve King (R-IA) said that the alleged source of the NSA leaks should be arrested. This should have been attributed to Peter King (R-NY).

  • Dominick Vila

    Where was Glenn Beck when the Patriots Act was written and signed? Supporting legislation that authorizes and legitimizes domestic surveillance, and then pretending to be disgusted when someone reveals that the said surveillance has been implemented and that it is taking place, suggests that those who feign to be perplexed are, in fact, hypocrites who will stop at nothing to demonize a President they hate.
    Upon taking the Oath of Office, President Obama was blamed for the effects of the Great Recession he inherited. When he championed a healthcare reform plan proposed by the Heritage Foundation, and used the plan implemented in Massachusetts as a model, he was accused of being a socialist and the man responsible for an identical plan ran for president as a conservative. When President Obama proposed the Veterans Jobs Act, his proposal was summarily rejected by cynics who claim to support our troops while torpedoing anything that would help them if that is what it takes to demonize the record of Barack Obama. When the President proposed the expansion of Reagan’s control legislation to include background checks of weapons bought via the Internet and at gun shows, he was accused of violating the Constitution, while the original author of the legislation is considered the greatest champion of freedom and democracy in the USA. When terrorists attacked our consulate in Benghazi, he was called every name in the book, from inept to being complicit in the attack, by those who claim the President that was in office when 9/11 and 12 terrorist attacks against our diplomatic missions is praised for “keeping us safe”. Does this latest attempt to re-write history and ignore what happened a few years ago surprise me? Not really, what would have amazed me would have been a demonstration of honesty by those who don’t hesitate to endorse and support controversial legislation, and reject it a few years later when it can be used to bring down an opponent they hate with a passion.
    Fortunately for us, most Americans are not suffering from amnesia, most understand why domestic surveillance is taking place, and most know that the examples of hypocrisy that we have seen in recent months are manifestations of ineptitude and lack of vision by people who don’t deserve to be taken seriously.

  • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

    Congress needs to revisit the Patriot Act and either repeal it or reform it. This has been going on for 7 years and the people have to decide what price they are willing to pay for National Security.
    Two questions on Mr. Snowden, was he paid by the Guardian? Why has he gone to Hong Kong? If he is seeking to avoid possible prosecution and wants to do that in Iceland, why did he just not go there instead of Hong Kong?

  • Jim Myers

    If you leak classified information about the United States, that is a traitorous act. Period.

    How would the Republicans feel about someone leaking internal classified papers about one of the Big Oil Companies, or any Military Industrial company that earns Billions of American Tax Dollars?

    Why would that be a greater crime than leaking classified information about the United States?

    • Dominick Vila

      Bear in mind that the only reason some Republicans are feigning outrage is because this came up on Barack Obama’s watch. Had this happened when W was in office, he would have been praised for a job well done and thanked for keeping us safe.

      • Jim Myers

        So true.

        Kinda like “Good Job, Brownie” in reference to Katrina.

      • John Pigg

        I disagree, the climate towards the war on terror has changed drastically. The US in 2005 is not the US 2013. We have been at war for a greater part of the decade. A lot of Homeland Security measures are deeply unpopular. But opportunists continue to politicize the issue.

        I think a better comparison would be to put Romney into Obama’s position. In which case I think the American Public would be severely put out, and I also anticipate that Republicans would be highly critical of these measures. Now is that because its the right thing to do or because its easier to win a primary by slamming Romney? Hard to say, but a Bush-Obama comparison really isn’t a good one.

    • dadhoover

      IT HAPPENS TO BE A DUTY OF OURS TO EXPOSE ANY BREAKING OF OUR CONSTITUTION WHEN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS DO IT FOR ANY REASON AGAINST ANYONE, LET ALONE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO’S PRIVACY WAS AND IS BEING INVADED WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE, WITHOUT A WARRANT AND NOR CONSENT. Don’t bother coming back with “well all our buying habits and etc. are already shared, that’s quite different, they are not the government who can do us great harm if not held in check and that is exactly why the writers of the constitution guaranteed our right to privacy and rights against improper seisure of our private information and personal property. get a spine when it comes to not allowing the government to break laws in the name of “KEEPING US SAFE”. We are crazy to allow this to continue without checks and balances and a right to file suit if such a seurveillance program is abused by a rogue government official.. the way it is now we have no legal recourse if abused because of the catch 22 secrecy of the program.

      • Jim Myers

        There are proper channels to file grievances against our government to stem abuse. Leaking of classified documents and the actions of our government, particularly regarding the secret surveillance systems and actions of our government, some that WILL compromise the safety of our military personal, some the WILL compromise overt and covert operations worldwide, some that WILL threaten the safety of our citizens, and some that threaten the very security of our own Nation.

        For ANYONE to decide they have the “right” or “duty” to leak thousands of documents, or the actions of our government regarding security matters, with total disregard for the safety and security of fellow citizens, in unconscionable.

        The lives of your own loved ones could be among those put at risk by leaking sensitive information. And if not yours, absolutely, positively, someone else’s.

        Keep in mind also, the people who wrote our Constitution were willing to risk their own lives, their property, their livelihoods, and the lives,property and livelihoods of their loved ones.

        And yet the cowards of today are supposed to be free to commit Treason without any punishment?

        WHAT FANTASY WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN?

        When your own safety and security is at risk, are you ready to defend the people who put you at risk? Or, will you be one of the people who point fingers at our military and political leaders for “Not Doing Enough?”

        • dadhoover

          What you wrote about dangers from what he exposed doesn’t even apply, they were careful not to do that against our personel working for our safety. You are obviously a conformist believing whatever the government tells you is for your safety. and no the say this NSA wholesale surveillance is set up now, there are not safeguards allowing a citizen who may become injured in some way by a rogue government NSA agent whereby that injured person could sue to stop such abuse. YOU CANNOT SUE TO STOP ABUSE FROM A PROGRAM THAT IS HELD IN SECRET, BECAUSE THAT SECRECY CREATES A CATCH 22 WHEREBY CITIZENS HAVE NO RECOURSE AGAINST IT.

          WE STUDENTS OF HISTORY KNOW BETTER THAN TO ALLOW AN OPEN DOOR FOR GOVERNMENT ABUSE TO OCCUR SUCH AS THIS NSA CURRENTLY STANDS UNDER SECRECY. THE SUPREME COURT JUST KICKED OUT A CASE AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT IN JUST SUCH A SITUATION WHERE GOVERNMENT SECRECY EXISTED AND THE PLAINTIFF COULDN’T EVEN PROVE DAMAGE OR THE EXISTENCE OF THE PROGRAM BECAUSE OF THE SECRECY, THE CATCH 22 THAT THE GOVERNMENT SECRECY CREATED STOPPED IT, AND WE MUST FOR OUR OWN GOOD AND THAT OF OUR GRAND CHILDRENS GOOD MAKE SURE THIS DOESN”T HAPPEN AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE WE WERE STUPID ENOUGH TO GIVE UP OUR RIGHTS FOR THE SUPPOSED REASON OF OUR SAFETY. OUR CONSTITUTION IS TIMELESS ENOUGH TO STAND UP TO THIS NSA PROGRAM REGARDLESS OF THE CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY.

          WHEN OUR GOVERNMENT DOESN”T GO BY THE CONSTITUTION WE MUST EXPOSE IT. PURE AND SIMPLE, WE MUST BE VIGILANT TO KEEP THIS DEMOCRACY OF AND BY THE PEOPLE, IT EXISTS FOR OUR GOOD, WE DON’T EXIST FOR ITS GOOD. READ HISTORY, THE GERMANS GAVE UP ONE RIGHT AFTER ANOTHER, SEEMINGLY SMALL THINGS AT A TIME UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE. HUMAN NATURE IS THE SAME EVERYWHERE AND ROGUE GOVERNMENT AGENTS CAN ARISE ANYWHERE THERE IS A DOOR LEFT OPEN. DON”T BE SUCH A CONFORMIST —- TRUST BUT VERIFY

          • Jim Myers

            If you believe everything you wrote, go back and read my comments about what those who wrote out constitution were willing to give up in order to do what they think is best for our Country.

            If someone is not willing to risk their own lives, property, livelihood, and the same of their loved ones, they should cower and hide, rather than try to justify their actions.

            TREASON IS TREASON!!! You can try to sugarcoat it all you want, but if someone WILLINGLY exposes government secret security measures, or distributes thousands of classified documents, they give up the right to be pampered.

            Also, you have no way of determining that the actions of these TRAITORS will not harm others, or even the entire Nation.

            GROW UP! All of our actions have effects. Some negligible, some slightly painful, some terrible, some disastrous.

            IF YOU DO NOT FULLY COMPREHEND THE POSSIBLE OUTCOME OF YOUR ACTIONS, YOU SHOULD NOT DO ALLOW YOURSELF TO BECOME SOMEONE ELSES PROBLEM.

            At least if someone pursues a legal course of action to correct a government wrong, and are rebuffed by the legal system, THEN, and ONLY then, should they consider other means of correcting those abuses.

            Then, if they decide to take an illegal or TRAITOROUS, action, they should be willing to pay the price, IN FULL!

            That would at least be the honorable thing to do. And, even if I disagree with them, at least I would respect their decision.

          • dadhoover

            EXPOSING THE BREAKING OF OUR CONSTITUTION AGAINST THE RIGHTS OF OUR PEOPLE IS NOT TREASON BY ANY STRETCH OF THE WORD. YOU AND YOUR ILK “SHEEPLE” WHO WILL GO ALONG WITH SUCH BLATANT ABUSE OF YOUR RIGHTS TO PRIVACY ARE BLIND AND COMPLIANT AGAINST YOUR OWN GOOD AS YOU CAN BE.

          • Independent1

            There is no breaking of the Constition. Article 4 says that you are to be protected against UNREASONABLE searches and seizures. Searches and seizures such as being stopped and searched only because the police believe you were acting suspicious; or against the police charging into your home because they suspected you may have stolen property; or from a traffic cop stopping you because he doesn’t like your nationality or ethnic background. But let’s see you prove that what the NSA is doing would be considered UNREASONABLE (doing what it can to PROTECT THE LIVES OF AMERICANS) by the Supreme Court. I doubt very seriously that you would win an argument on that point in front of the SCOTUS. Meaning that I doubt seriously that the SCOTUS would find what the NSA has been doing for years as being unconstitutional. So your whole argment is full of holes.

          • dadhoover

            Not only are you against your own privacy interests but you are ‘short sheeting’ your constitution, It is not reasonable for the Gov. to expect that everyone’s metadata (private communications) are suspect and therefore they cannot be obtained in secret on a wholesale basis under NSA surveillance to supposedly keep us safe. DOING SO IS AGAINST THE LAW

            COMMON SENSE SHOULD TELL YOU THAT YOU DO NOT ALLOW YOUR GOVERNMENT TO OPEN SUCH A DOOR WHERE THERE IS NO RECOURSE FOR A CITIZEN TO SUIT IF ABUSES WERE TO OCCUR, BEFORE SNOWDEN ALL THEY’D HAVE TO SAY IS, ITS A SECRET. THAT MY FRIEND IS NOT IN YOUR SELF INTEREST TO ALLOW TO HAPPEN, IT OPENS A DOOR FOR CERTAIN ABUSE AT SOME POINT, WAKE UP

          • Independent1

            Who said your metadata was suspect?? You have to be pretty clueless if you’re not aware that phone companies have been keeping metadata for decades. And the fact that the NSA is requesting that, has nothing to do with suspecting YOU OF ANYTHING!! The NSA just doesn’t want to have to shotgun their requests for metadata when they actually have someone suspected of terrorist activites. You’re just being the typical PARNOID!!
            And I’m not shortchanging anything – I’m being realistic and appreciative of the fact that there’s someone looking out for my best interests by doing what they can to try and stop terrorists from killing me, members of my family and other Americans. It’s people like you that are being shortsighted and trying to tie everything the government does to some EVIL PURPOSE!!!
            WELL, GET OVER IT!! NOT EVERYTHING OUR GOVERNMENT TRIES TO DO IS EVIL DESPITE WHAT YOU MAY THINK!!!!!!!!

          • dadhoover

            Can you even follow conversation ;? no one said “METADATA WAS SUSPECT” Its the act of secretly collecting it on everyone as if everyone is a suspect that is the problem.

            Who cares that phone companies have metadata, that’s not the problem, THE PROBLEM IS OUR GOVERNMENT SECRETLY ACQUIRING THAT METADATA THAT REPRESENTS AN INTRUSION ON OUR PRIVACY.

            Our founding fathers wrote a timeless document due to their brilliance that also applies to this situation.

            WISE PEOPLE DO NOT PERMIT A GOVERNMENT TO OPEN SUCH A DOOR FOR ABUSE AS THIS ONE. IT IS COMMON SENSE TO CLOSE THAT DOOR NOW THAT SNOWDEN HAS EXPOSED THIS SECRET PROGRAM THAT IS AGAINST OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

            YOU ARE A FOOL TO BE SO BLINDLY TRUSTING THAT YOU’D ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS CANNOT BE ABUSED AT SOME POINT N THE FUTURE.

            THE MORE YOU COMMENT THE MORE YOU SHOW WHY SHEEPLE LIKE YOU MAKE YOURSELVES SO VULNERABLE TO ABUSE, BECAUSE YOU DON’T HAVE THE COMMON SENSE TO KNOW THAT THIS IS ONE TIME THAT WE FOR SURE MUST DRAW THE LINE OVER WHICH EXECUTIVE GOVERNMENT POWER CANNOT CROSS. ESPECIALLY SINCE IT WAS EVEN KEPT SECRET FROM OUR OWN SENATE.

            WAKE THE HELL UP FOR YOUR OWN GOOD AND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS, !!!! WE HAD PRIVACY RIGHTS FOR TWO HUNDRED YEARS SO FAR WITHOUT TAKING IT AWAY TO KEEP US SAFE AND WE CAN GO ANOTHER TWO HUNDRED YEARS UNLESS FOOLS GIVE AWAY THIS RIGHT.

          • Independent1

            I see, And should I be watching out for the sky to be falling too?? And when is it that you’re predicting that the world will end?? And b
            y the way our founding father’s opinions on governments are really not worth much; if you had one ounce of sense, you’d realize that they had never really lived under a government such as ours. They created it, but they had really never lived under what they created. So for Franklyn and other of our founding fathers to make comments about governments, the governments they were referring to were monarchies; the last major one which I believe was dissolved in the early 1900s via the Russian revolution. So you have no idea what Franklyn may have said had he been alive today, and have lived under the form of government that he helped create.
            I feel sorry for people like you, who go around every day worried about what your government is doing to try and get you – what absolute nonsense. Sorry, go spout your fearful nonsense to someone else – I’m not listening!!

          • dadhoover

            Yes I see–UH HUH !!!! and you’d have been considered a tory back then. Here’s the thing, if you want to take bush cheney and obama’s advise and “JUST TRUST US (them)” rather than trust but verify which is what I want, I don’t want no government having a ‘blank check’ as it is right now, where we have not protection if a gov. official abuses this. IT IS CRAZY TO NOT DO SO, THAT’S WHY WE HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES, FOR NEARLY EVERYTHING WE DO, FOR OUR PROTECTION>

            So if you are so willing to just “trust and obey” like a good lil bible follower or typical US Sheeple, Then I suggest that since you are so worried about terrorist that you’ll give up anything “TO BE KEPT SAFE” then when you go to the airport to be checked to see if you’re a terrorist why don’t you turn up your butt in the air so it can be checked too since some terrorist might try to hide something “UP HIS”. LOL By any and all means give up whatever privacy you like to “BE KEPT SAFE”. Makes as much sense to turn up your butt as it does for millions to give up their private data because one out of that million might talk ‘shite’ about terrorism.

            And you say I’m the one that’s Paranoid ? you and your Ilk are the ones so worried about terrorists that you’ll give up your rights.

            Look up what franklin has to say about people who are so easily led to give up their rights. “Those who would give up their freedoms to be kept safe, deserve neither the freedom nor to be kept safe”. WAKE UP BUDDY !!! WAKE UP !!!!

  • FT66

    This guy Snowden knows for sure what he did was wrong, thats why he went hiding. Why hide if at all he knows what he did is right? He should come back home personally and answer all questions which will be put upon him. He was not afraid to reveal all these information, why is he afraid to stand for what he believes?

  • dadhoover

    I don’t want to be lumped in with Glen Beck the cult leader and I voted for Obama twice, but be gads I’m one hundred percent against Obama on this out of control blanket surveillance state to supposedly “keep us safe”. If they want to keep us safe stop lying us into such wars as Iraq was the current lies about Iran and Syria, these are nothing more than interventionist efforts to control the Middle East Oil for our Interests, That interfence in the middle easts business is why terrorism rose its ugly head, not because they hate our freedoms like the dummy Bush said. Now Obama is doubling down on the bush BS ‘war on terra” as he called it and he has lost my support. I don’t need big daddy Gov. looking over my shoulders to keep me safe—Thank you -NO !!!

    • greghilbert

      Thank you for having the integrity to speak out against Bush-Obama Repub-Dem police-state surveillance. It is sad to see so many rising to the defense of Obama’s perpetuation of Repub evil, which many will do on this site by voting down your comment, and mine also. How ironic that some future fascist Repub POTUS could use the police-state tool to help eradicate their dissent, and for that matter them or their children.

      • stcroixcarp

        The real problem is that “Intelligence ” agencies take on a life of their own and forget their original mission. It is their job to gather information any way they can secretly and ethics and legality do not factor in the equation. Congress, the President, the Courts and even the military are often excluded. With a law like the Patriot Act how does any part of the government control them.

        • greghilbert

          Your point is well taken and is among the reasons we need to demand curtailment of police-state laws and systems.

      • ArchiesBoy

        Hell, I was sure that Dubya was going to declare martial law any time, and declare himself First Dictator-in-Chief. And it could still happen, especially with another Dubya-like Repub POTUS.

  • edwardw69

    I can’t help but wonder, who didn’t know this has been happening for years now?

    • stcroixcarp

      Corporations such as Goggle are keeping tabs on you. Do you think that Facebook doesn’t monitor and sell your personal information? Your auto insurance company is trying to get you to put a device in your car so that it knows where you go and where you have been and how fast you were driving. Your cell phone has a built in GPS. Government is only ONE entity that is spying on your communications and your whereabouts.

      • Independent1

        And believe me, all those other places that are monitoring you, are doing it for far more nefarious reasons than the NSA!! And are organizaltions that will use the information they get to take every monitary advantage it will give them. Unlike the NSA, who is only checking on you if for some reason they suspect that you may be engaged in actions that are detrimental to the country or its people.

  • AlesterP

    If Snowden was really a man of integrity and not a just a punk, he would be here in the USofA standing by what he did. This has been happening for a long time…remember during the civil rights movement all those being spied on…remember the Patriot’s Act under the Bush administration. In a speech in 2001, President Bush said “You’re either with us or against us in the fight against terror.” This type of activity has been going on for a very long time, and with Congress’s knowledge…Give us a break.

    • John Pigg

      I think he most likely examined the case of Bradley Manning and decided that he would receive more public support for his case if he was abroad and could offer his side fairly. I am not so certain that Bradley Manning received the fairest trial.

      • dadhoover

        Manningly certainly has not been treated fairly and several world human rights type agencies have spoken out about his treatment.

  • emadis41

    With the like of Glen Beck and other morons on the right and left who are crying now, you should shut up and taste what you arrogantly supported 12 years ago; the patriot Act which almost every senator and representative voted for. The Patriot Act was the darling of the Bush administration and it originally targeted the innocent American Muslims who are law abiding citizens, where there phone calls were recording in its entirety, and violated the civil liberty of a segment of the society. It is too late now to cry, instead you should fix your mistake and discard this hypocrite Act.

  • Ford Truck

    I don’t understand the problem here. The Democrats and Republicans teamed together to write the Patriot Act, vote it into law, and they have voted to retain it several times. Then the Patriot Act gets used, and everyone gets all upset. We all, including Congress, expect the NSA, FBI, etc to protect us from outside terrorists, and from homegrown whackjobs. We, including Congress, also scream that those agencies should NEVER use racial/ethnic/religious “profiling” to decide who to watch and who to listen to. So they didn’t profile, they monitored EVERYONE. Now we hear complaints because they were protecting us by doing exactly what Congress told them they could do.

    Personally, I would rather have the NSA, FBI and other government agencies listening in on my conversations with my wife or friends, than have terrorists be able to use the same phone system to recruit bombers, make plans, transfer money, and carry out terrorist acts that may kill me, my neighbors, or other Americans.

    Grow up America! You cannot have total security and at the same time, have total privacy. The more phones they monitor, the more cameras they install, the more officers they hire, the safer we all are….. unless you are a terroist!!

    • edwardw69

      I didn’t get upset when they wrote and passed it. I got upset when they first started to consider it.

      • stcroixcarp

        Me too.

    • dadhoover

      My friend No one though of nor planned in the congress for everyones personal media use to be listened in on wholesale, That was not the intent.

      THIS IS TOTALLY AGAINST OUR FOUNDING FATHERS IDEAS PUT INTO THE CONSTITUTION FOR CONTROLS ON GOVERNMENT INTRUSSION !!

      I GUESS WHAT YOU THINK WE NEED IS MORE YES MEN LIKE YOU WILLIE NILLIE GIVING IN TO ANY AND ALL EFFORTS TO SUPPOSEDLY KEEP US SAFE.

      THINK !!! THINK !!!!! THINK FOR YOURSELVES !!!!! THIS IS SUCH AN OPENING FOR AN ABUSIVE GOVERNMENT THAT ITS UNBELIEVABLE THAT SO MANY LIKE YOU ARE WILLING TO SWALLOW ANYTHING YOU ARE TOLD AS LONG AS THEY SAY ITS TO KEEP YOU SAFE !!! SHAME ON YOU !!!

      SIMILAR WHIMPISH GO ALONG TO GET ALONG WILLIE NILLIE WEEK KNEED CITIZENS OF HITLERS IS WHAT GAVE HIM THE POWER TO NEARLY DESTROY EUROPE. DON’T THINK FOR MINUTE THAT HISTORY CANNOT REPEAT ITSELF BECAUSE YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS KIND OF BS ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS IS A REPEAT.

      YES I YELLED AND MANY MORE OF US NEED TO BE YELLING AND PUT THE BREAKS ON OBAMA OR ANY OTHER LEADER BACKING THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BS.

      Be reminded that I voted for Obama twice, but this NSA crap is way beyond my backing him over, it must be stopped.

      • charleo1

        I’ll just bet you had a real problem, with government, before
        classified information was leaked. There are those who’s
        motto is, “My Country Right, or Wrong!” And, there are also
        those, who say, “My Country’s always wrong!” And, that’s
        too bad. Because the only winners here, are the terrorists.
        Who will, without a doubt, become harder to catch, harder
        to interrupt. And, the possibility of a major, terrorist attack,
        just went up, because of the traitorous act by Mr. Snowden.
        And that is the hard cold truth of the matter. The Founders?
        What would they think about it? The truth about the Founding
        Fathers is, they would have already had him hung, as a traitor.
        And, the Founding Fathers may have gotten the general
        philosophy right in the 4th Amendment. But then, they didn’t
        watch those jets crash into the World Trade Center. And,
        nuclear or dirty bombs that could kill thousands, and make Manhattan, or the Port of New York, uninhabitable for the next
        1000 years, were not on their radar screen, either. And, Hitler? Really? Do you think these terrorist are just playing? If so, let me
        disabuse you of that idea right now. And, one more basic truth
        is The American people, have not changed their minds. They
        want today, what they demanded, that afternoon of 9/11.
        Hunt these dirty bastards down, kill them, and never allow this
        kind of thing, to ever happen to the Country again. And no one,
        not a single soul, was talking about their 4th Amendment Rights.

        • dadhoover

          Buddy !!! You need to do a lot more reading and research, what our government has been doing and hiding in secret around the world to interfere, control and take advantage of other country’s affairs particularly in the middle east to control their oil assets for our gain and interests is exactly why we have terrorism and not because they “hate our freedoms” as the dummy Bush said and people like you believe.

          WAKE UP TO REALITY, WHAT IS BEING DONE IN OUR NAMES AGAINST OTHERS RIGHTS IS WHAT BROUGHT ABOUT TERRORISM JUST AS THE CIA WARNED OF, THEY CALLED IT BLOWBACK FROM OUR INTERVENTIONIST ACTIONS FOR CONTROL OF OIL ASSETS IN THE MIDDLE EAST

          PLAYING WAK-A-MOLE AND GIVING UP PRIVACY AND FREEDOMS IN THE PROCESS WILL NOT WORK,

          ONLY GOING TO AND STOPPING THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS DOING IN OUR NAME SUPPOSEDLY FOR OUR INTERESTS IS THE ONLY ACTION THAT WILL STOP THE PROBLEM.

          READ AND STOP BUYING INTO MAINSTREAM MEDIA PROPAGANDA TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO, ITS ALL BACKFIRING AS WE SPEAK SO WAKE THE HELL UP !!!

          • charleo1

            Well, first of all, Sir. How is my doing more reading, and
            research, about what my Gov’t is hiding, and doing in
            secret? If they are hiding, and keeping it a secret? Did
            you ever think of that? I could research, and find all kinds
            of claims on the internet. People send me all sorts of stuff.
            Making the most outrageous accusations I ever read. And,
            if I believed half of them, I’d be a paranoid basket case, in
            a week. But, say we pulled out of the Middle East. Which
            is not going to happen. Oil is a factor, sure. Because, in a
            global economy, it is vital, the supply lines, and shipping
            lanes remain open. Not only for us, but our trading partners
            in Europe, as well. As you have probably noticed, things are
            not real solid over there anyway. So, what do you think the results of an oil embargo would be in Europe? But, oil is
            only one factor of many interests America has in the region.
            And contrary to your thinking, America is not nearly so hated,
            as some would have you believe. We have many allies there,
            with which we share common interests. And, if we withdraw,
            who fills that void? China, Russia, Iran? But to an even
            better reason for not retreating. It would be allowing a hand full of radical Islamists, dictate, U.S. foreign policy. Which
            I can tell you right here, that, is not happening. Make nice,
            and the terrorists will stop terrorizing us. Well, they don’t
            want us supporting Israel either. And, George Bush was just
            being nice, when he said the terrorists hate our freedom.
            They hate our secularism. But they also hate our guts for
            being who we are. To the extremists, if we sail the ocean
            near one of their Countries, we are infidels, soiling the lands
            of Muhammad.

          • dadhoover

            You should know there are sources of research other than mainstream media, sources from investigative journalists who talk with informed people in the government who are concerned and report facts that you won’t get in the mainstream media.

            START WITH GLOBALRESEARCH.COM

            Don’t be an apologist for what your government is doing that brings terrorism down on all of us over their actions for control of other country’s oil assets for instance, and that’s just the tip of the iceburg. READ HAARETZ NEWS FROM ISRAEL, READ FROM MONDOWEISS.COM about what is being done in our names against the arabic Palestinians which is 75% or the most often named reason for the Middle East’s hate of the USA over enabling Israel’s abuse of palestinians rights. you’ll find way more open and honest discussion of these topics in Israel’s premier paper HAARETZ news than you ever will in our US corporate controled media. I’ve only given you just a few examples, once you start doing reading outside corporate controled media and reading the sources these investigative writers supply you will have your eyes opened. OUR GOVERNMENT IS CAUSING OUR TERRORIST PROBLEMS BY THEIR ACTIONS DONE IN OUR NAMES. THE ARABIC WORLD DOES NOT HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS, THEY HATE US FOR OUR INTERFERENCE IN THEIR AFFAIRS FOR OUR INTERESTS AND AGAINST THEIRS. READ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • O’neil Junior

          Dude, what’s up with all those commas?

          • dadhoover

            TYPICAL !!! if you don’t like what someone says or writes, FIND SOMETHING, ANYTHING WILL DO TO PICK AT, ATTACK, OR COMPLAIN ABOUT, BUT AT ALL COSTS AVOID THE REAL TOPIC.

            GO READ !!!! OTHER THAN FROM THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA

          • O’neil Junior

            My comment had nothing to do with what you wrote. It had to do with your grammatical errors. In order to convey what is in one’s head so that others can understand, one has to be able to convey their thought or thoughts in a coherent manner so as to leave no doubt or doubts in the mind of the person or people he or she is communicating with. Hence, me saying what I said. And as for your suggestion, I would think that I am reading. If I wasn’t, I would not have seen what you wrote to comment on, would I? Am I to assume then, that this is mainstream media, since you are telling me to read something other than? Lol. Stop taking yourself so seriously, sir; and on a serious note, I agree with you wholeheartedly on your opinion of the Israel/Palestinian issue. Thanks for mentioning it. Peace. In the ME!

          • dadhoover

            get over it !!! if you hadn’t understood you couldn’t agree as you mentioned , now could you !!!

          • O’neil Junior

            Two different topics, dadhoover, Before you make a spectacle of yourself, please refer to what I commented on and what I agreed with you on. If you cannot recall, well, may I suggest taking a deep breath and turn in a little earlier at night? Does wonders for addled brain personnel. Just saying.

  • ArchiesBoy

    This is what I know: If you want to find out what’s good for the country, good for its citizens, see what the Republicans are against.

  • Mary Ann Hoogeveen

    The guy has to be a jerk,he donated to Ron Paul.

    • stcroixcarp

      Like a broken clock gives the correct time twice a day, Ron Paul is occasionally right. He is right about war and he is right about government spying.

  • lifetree

    I have observed that position and the law have been misused to let sins happen in the name of what is the law and “our” policy. No arrest should happen unless the one who may have violated law did anything to hurt the security of the country in this case, and on the contrary did it for and helped in creating a higher good to which this country aspires. By violation of security that includes any force internal or external that grossly violates the Constitution, including Bills of Rights. That includes in times of war. It is sometimes the corrupt who make sweeping statements and have the power to use such issues as compromised security to hide their corruption.. These statements can be used perhaps to hide the facts that the only ones whose positions are compromised by some just acts are the corrupt and unethical elements of that power. I believe if history serves me right, after WWII, many heroes inside Nazi Germany were those who violated Hitler’s laws. After the war, those that obeyed his laws and overtly took part in the crimes of that state had the risk and were often punished, not those who refused to follow unjust laws, whether or not those laws were for the so-called security of the Third Reich.

  • EZ2figure

    This would not be news if we had been an informed nation! There is nothing that has been uncovered that would deter a determined terrorist from attempting to attack us! Why should we prosecute those who act in the best interest of our nation, by keeping our citizens informed about what our government does behind doors, sometimes more of a deterrent than a government, unjustly spying on us, without our consent, and without a crime having ever been committed? Linking people for an accidental contact or receiving a call from a terrorist, unknowingly, should not put our futures at risk, while this information can be stored for decades, without our knowledge! Americans have the right to know what is collected, and if information is collected, we should be informed of it, and have a right to defend ourselves against being placed up-on a list we may have been placed on in error!

  • I spent 30+ years working for the Government in a number of areas, and always with a very high clearance….and if I had ever released the kind of information that this traitor did ….I would have been locked away for a very long time….or executed on the spot (depending upon the time and circumstances) !….So why is this clown allowed to run free ?

    • dadhoover

      YESIREEEEEE !!!!! and you were probably just the sort of government worker they liked, never think nor reason for yourself, just do as the book says without reasoning, without thought of the consequences, just act robotic like for your government because its got a rule so you applied it no matter how unfair or how negative the outcome might be. THOSE ARE THE TYPE WORKERS OUR GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY LIKE BEST.

      I TOO WORKED FOR THE GOVERNMENT AND RAN INTO MANY A SHEEPLE WORKER LIKE YOU SO JOB SCARED THAT THEY ABSOLUTELY REFUSED TO USE ANY CAUSE TO EFFECT COMMON SENSE LIKE THIS SNOWDON IS BEING EXCORIATED OVER BY YOUR ILK.

      WAKE UP YOU SHEEP LIKE UNINFORMED BLIND AND OVERLY TRUSTING FOLLOWERS !!!!

  • SAJP

    I have to disagree with Josh Marshall–I doubt very seriously that China
    would refuse to extradite Snowden–especially in the current climate of
    a kind of Chinese-American ‘perestroika’. As to their potentially ‘using’ Snowden for whatever purpose,
    he’d likely be more of a headache to them than anything else and the
    uproar from Americans in general over ‘Chinese interference’ would be
    deafening–bad deal for Chine in an era when they are applying to
    purchase/invest in a record number of US businesses.

  • Lynda Groom

    What’s next for the young man just might be jail…if he is lucky.

  • Ford Truck

    Listen up Snowden. Can you hear the drones yet?

  • John Pigg

    I am very disappointed with most of the comments on this article that are highly critical of Snowden’s actions.

    It would seem that hypocrisy travels both ways. Democrats were very upset with the assault on civil liberties when Bush was elected. Many of their number was highly critical of the patriot act and other similar legislative actions. Presidential candidate Obama was also highly critical of how the “War on Terror” was fought.

    Just because Glen Beck, Rand Paul and others are wrong 95% of the time doesn’t mean they are wrong on this issue. Post 9/11 American society is a vastly different place than it used to be. We have trampled a lot of our more Liberal American traditions due to fear. It is easy to see how and why these laws were passed. But it is high time we discontinue the Patriot Act, Drone Strikes, and other Un-American COIN tactics.