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After 49 Dead By One Man, Republicans Are Shutting Down The Gun Control Debate — Again

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After 49 Dead By One Man, Republicans Are Shutting Down The Gun Control Debate — Again

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Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump waves as he walks offstage after delivering a campaign speech about national security in Manchester, New Hampshire, U.S. June 13, 2016 in response to the mass shooting at Orlando's Pulse nightclub. REUTERS/Brian Snyder

The disturbing trend of mass shootings amid lax gun laws continued in the early hours on Sunday in Orlando, Florida, but despite what happened there — or in Blacksburg, Virginia; Aurora, Colorado; or Newtown, Connecticut — Republicans refuse to talk about guns.

Republicans are more concerned with making sure they plant enough fear in Americans’ minds to validate their obsession with “radical Islamic terrorism” than they are confronting the real causes of violence motivated by those twisted beliefs. Republicans exploited the terrorist narrative by focusing only on Omar Mateen’s loose ties to ISIS, despite the more important facts at hand: Mateen’s assault rifle was purchased legally; the killer was an American citizen; and the LGBT and Latino communities were victims of the worst mass shooting in recent U.S. history.

If Republicans really cared about stopping terrorists, that concern has not been evident: In December, they voted to allow “known or suspected terrorists” to buy guns.

Currently, federally licensed firearms dealers must notify the FBI of purchases so that the buyer’s name can be screened. Low and behold, Mateen was reportedly on two federal watch lists, in 2013 and 2014: he was first interviewed by the FBI after his co-workers reported that he made comments in support of terrorists, and he was interviewed again after communicating with an American who was involved with a suicide bombing in Syria.

But Mateen was removed from these lists in 2014, revoking any power the FBI had to block the sales. The legislation that failed in December is expected to be proposed again and would provide the federal government with more discretion to stop suspected terrorists from acquiring weapons. Mateen also sought out body armor, but the store denied to sell it to him, CNN reported.

Above all, that Mateen was easily able to purchase a similar weapon that shooters used in San Bernardino — a .223 caliber AR-type rifle — raises questions about the ample access to that weapon: Why are military assault rifles so easily available to would-be terrorists? Shouldn’t multiple mass shootings involving the same gun be enough to pass emergency cause-and-effect legislation as was passed in the wake of 9/11?

Nonetheless, Republicans would rather steer this discussion to ISIS, not gun control. In fact, any topic that would make Republicans uncomfortable is seemingly not up for discussion, either. GOP politicians were awfully quiet about the fact that the attack took place at an LGBT establishment on a Latin night. It was certainly an attack on America, but at its core, this was also an attack on the LGBT community that Republicans have repeatedly targeted themselves, and the Latino community for whom they rarely have sympathy.

The only time Republicans have bothered to mention homophobia in the wake of this attack is when it fits into their fear-mongering ISIS narrative, as we saw with Marco Rubio’s comments to The Advocate: “We know what ISIS has done to people they accuse of being homosexual.”

Donald Trump, who has never served in any national security capacity, did not once mention gun control in an expectedly bizarre series of tweets on Sunday. Instead, he took advantage of the spotlight and bragged about himself, sparking outrage. During the speech on Monday, Trump said he would ban immigration from countries with terrorist ties — even though Sunday’s attack was homegrown. Sunday also falsely accused Hillary Clinton, again, of wanting to somehow “abolish” the second amendment. 

Democrats swiftly reiterated their existing calls for action on gun control. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton both echoed the other’s statements urging more stringent laws, specifically when it comes to the possession of automatic rifles. Sen. Chris Murphy, who represents Connecticut and has seen the devastation caused by gun violence firsthand at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, slammed Congress for failing to act.

“Congress has become complicit in these murders by its total, unconscionable deafening silence,” he said in a statement.

President Obama’s speech to the nation on Sunday afternoon sent a similar message to Congress and the American people. “This massacre is therefore a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon… And we have to decide if that’s the kind of country we want to be,” he said. “And to actively do nothing is a decision as well.”

Day after day, shooting after shooting, and debate after debate, it becomes increasingly absurd for anyone to justify the legality of such weapons when it is clear that lives would be saved by curtailing access to assault rifles designed to kill dozens of people in a short span of time — which is exactly what happened at Pulse Nightclub.

This is not a problem caused by the “foreign” Muslims whom Trump seeks to ban. This is not a problem caused by those on the other side of the wall Trump seeks to build. This is a problem caused by Americans with access to guns and permitted by Americans who refuse to interrogate that access.

No matter how many Republicans exclusively focus on the battle against ISIS — in which, incidentally, the U.S. and its allies have all but marginalized the physical caliphate in Syria in Iraq — there is nothing that takes away from the fact that the worst massacre on American soil since 9/11 was carried out by a weapon designed only for war.

 

Photo: Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump waves as he walks offstage after delivering a campaign speech about national security in Manchester, New Hampshire, U.S. June 13, 2016 in response to the mass shooting at Orlando’s Pulse nightclub.  REUTERS/Brian Snyder

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  1. Independent1 June 13, 2016

    Today’s Republicans clearly will not own up to their own shame for all the pandering they do to the NRA that is costing thousands of Americans’ their lives every month of the year (more than 90 Americans die in gun related shootings every day – that’s almost 3,000/mo).

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    1. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

      Yeah. It’s the money.
      It’s the money from NRA lobbyists.
      But, mostly, it’s the reliable stream of campaign contributions from the terrified White guys who are convinced that their bed-wetting problems will come back if they don’t stock up on high capacity assault weapons.

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    2. Dominick Vila June 14, 2016

      Money and political opportunism are the main reasons for their unconditional support of the right to kill. In this specific instance, the fact that most of the victims at the Pulse nightclub were Hispanics-Latinos enjoying Latin music night, provided an additional incentive to support the NRA, and reject effective and enforceable gun control legislation.

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      1. David June 14, 2016

        “the right to kill”? Huh? You now equate the 2nd Amendment with having “the right to kill”. Gee… and I only thought that State law set forth the parameters on the use of deadly force.

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        1. Paul Bass June 14, 2016

          Yes, NRA = Right to Kill

          the truth hurts, but not to you, because YOU are so self righteous YOU walk on water….

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          1. David June 14, 2016

            Uhh….”NRA = Right to Kill”? What State can that be found?

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          2. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Only in your “State” of mind, David.
            Only there.

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          3. David June 14, 2016

            Can’t provide an answer, can you?

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          4. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            When you provide a coherent question, an answer will follow.
            Until then you get zip.

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          5. David June 14, 2016

            Can’t answer the question, can you?

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          6. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            There are no “answers” for insanity, David.
            There are only treatments, medication and seclusion.

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        2. Dominick Vila June 14, 2016

          I equate the state of Florida NO WAITING PERIOD to purchase a weapon such as an AR-15, instead of the required 3 day waiting period to purchase a handgun, a right to kill.

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          1. David June 14, 2016

            So now it is a “NO WAITING PERIOD” to purchase a rifle and not the NRA which is the “right to kill”? Hmmm…and I thought that had something to do with State law.

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          2. Dominick Vila June 14, 2016

            Gun control laws at a state level are influenced by NRA lobbying.
            http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027908893

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          3. David June 14, 2016

            Hmmm….like Chicago? Like Camden, N.J.? Like Flint, Michigan?

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          4. Dominick Vila June 14, 2016

            Thank you for reminding us of the widespread and frequent incidences of gun violence in the USA. We need more people like you to raise awareness and influence meaningful change to curb the tragedies we experience every single day.
            BTW, I own a .38 caliber handgun. I am advocating disarmament, I simply do not support the sale and need of assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons, as well as high capacity magazines that I doubt are intended to be used to shoot Bambi.

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          5. David June 14, 2016

            Dominick — we both know that the 2nd Amendment ain’t about duck hunting! I hope that you left out the word “not” in your sentence regarding disarmament.

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          6. Dominick Vila June 14, 2016

            Oops. Thank you for pointing that out.

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          7. dtgraham June 14, 2016

            Exactly David. It’s about Americans having a gun in their home, so if the might of the United States military ever came crashing down on the citizenry due to a corrupt President unleashing F-16’s, M1 Abrams, ICBM’s, atomic warheads, Tomahawk cruise missiles, guided and ballistic missile attack submarines, the Zumwalt class U.S. Navy destroyers, the U.S. Army Rangers, the United States Marines, and the U.S. Navy Seals on the people…..you and your neighbours with your Glocks and occasional AR-15’s will be well prepared my friend.

            Molon labe!

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          8. dtgraham June 15, 2016

            Out of curiosity Dominick, why do you own a .38 caliber handgun? Outside of my father, who hunted when he was younger (never agreed with it), I’ve honestly only met a few people in my lifetime who ever told me that they owned a gun or ever talked about guns in that way. One or two hunters, one sport shooter. That’s in 40+ years.

            Yet I continue to be surprised by the number of liberal Democrats at this website who’ve confessed to be gun owners over the years. Is this just an American cultural thing? Why do you own a gun?

            I’ve always respected everything you’ve said here at the National Memo and I have a very high regard for your opinion.

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          9. Dominick Vila June 15, 2016

            I bought it in 1971, when I lived in Barstow, CA, while working at the Goldstone NASA complex. Co-workers and neighbors convinced me of the dangers of not having a gun to defend my young family and I, naively and impulsively, bought a handgun that I have kept stored in a safe place, and that by now it is so rusted that, if I tried to use it, it will probably blow up in my face. As I aged, and became more mature and responsible, and more aware of the tragedies we see on a daily basis as a result of gun violence, I have come to regret my decision to buy a gun.
            I don’t, however, fault or blame those who feel compelled to buy a handgun to protect themselves and their families, and while I disagree with the NRA and gun lovers interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, I tend to let it pass because I believe their understanding is the result of poor syntax in that Amendment, fear, the belief that it is our obligation to protect our families, and lifelong indoctrination.

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          10. dtgraham June 15, 2016

            Fair enough. Poor syntax for sure. That may be the oddest sentence ever put into a constitution, and from such learned scholars. Whatever association that they meant between a well regulated militia and the right to bear arms is the question mark of the ages, wide open to various interpretations and never to be agreed upon.

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          11. Dominick Vila June 15, 2016

            In the interim, we have Trump, the NRA and 2nd Amendment champion, heading to a NRA meeting to urge them to accept stricter regulation to deny terrorist suspects the right to purchase lethal weapons. The same man who criticized President Obama for his call to change our flawed gun control laws, suddenly turned into a gun control advocate within minutes of finding out that 91% of Americans support the above mentioned initiative.
            This is the same guy who after attacking LGBT rights, and denying gender inequality, changed colors and tried to move to the left of Hillary Clinton! The funniest part, is that most conservatives see nothing wrong with his ideological changes, and that most of them will coalesce and vote for him in November.

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          12. dtgraham June 18, 2016

            Trump is truly one of a kind that way. You can find quotes from him over the last 25 years that disavow most of what he’s saying now. Maybe that’s a good thing. He talks like a maniac or a fifth grader, but who knows what he really believes? There’s a quote from him 17 years ago that puts him to the left of some National Memo Democrats on health care.

            The guy has made himself beloved by the right simply by hating Mexicans and Muslims, and making no bones about that publicly. Having an insulting nickname for everybody helps too.

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          13. Dominick Vila June 18, 2016

            As disgusting as his hate speech is, what upset me the most was him mocking a handicapped reporter. I have a severely paralyzed grandson, and that incident offended me so deeply that anything he says and does from now on I am against. Even his cynical decision to consult with the NRA to determine what regulations, if any, are acceptable to them, is enough to make me puke.
            What is important to remember is not so much what he says, which could be considered political opportunism, but the fact that when he says the hateful thing he does routinely, and when he acts like a Junior High bully, he is demonstrating what is in his heart and mind.
            I can’t believe how many senior Republicans are putting party ahead of country, and continue to support this bigoted, narcissistic, irresponsible, and hateful person. They should be ashamed of themselves.

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          14. dtgraham June 18, 2016

            Yes they should be. Some have been ashamed out of supporting him although not nearly enough. I can only imagine how offended you must have been with his mocking of that handicapped reporter, given your grandson. I was personally appalled. I had forgotten about that. With Trump, there’s just so much. I’ve never seen anything like that from a politician, and I know I never will again after Trump.

            Well, I gotta watch my recording of Iceland-Hungary from the 2016 Euro’s sometime before the night is out. My wife’s mother was from Iceland and she’s actually watching their games. Germans are unbeaten so far and I can’t believe that Marco Reus is missing his second major tournament in a row (World Cup 2014 too) with an injury. They could have used him against Poland.

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          15. PrecipitousDrop June 18, 2016

            Trump is a pseudo-celebrity who also has his splashy name on some rental properties and resorts, DT. We don’t know what his actual ownership is in these properties because he will not release his tax returns. I expect he’s lying about all of it. The appearance of “wealth” is just stage dressing, just show biz.
            His nauseating campaign has been successful, in large part, because it HAS BEEN so horrible. Each repugnant section has caught the ear of the Republican subsets trained to cheer their different teams of bigotry. Trump opened his campaign by echoing Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh, Joe Arpaio and tarring all Hispanic citizens as “criminals” and “rapists.” There were the impossible “Wall” and mass deportation “suggestions. Presto. Anti-immigrant Republicans warmed to his message. That was followed with appeals to the misogynists by his attacks on Megyn Kelly. Then Paris and the wildly fantastic “ban” on Muslims. It’s no wonder you “forgot” his open ridicule of a disabled reporter. It was just one more poisonous “charm” on the bracelet Trump and the Republican party created.
            The vast majority of my countrymen, DT, will not be seduced by this cowardly, racist geezer posing as a billionaire playboy. This presidential campaign will end in his spectacular, resounding, failure.
            It is my hope that he takes the current Republican party with him, into the abyss.

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          16. dtgraham June 19, 2016

            I agree. I just have a hard time seeing where Trump’s path to victory is. Frothing at the mouth style populism (so-called), combined with greed and bloviating, don’t seem to be burning up the track in the general election so far. Even Romney is calling him out. The general election is not like the Republican primaries. That party has cultivated a very special kind of voter over the last 25 years.

            Hillary Clinton leads the Donald at the moment by 12 points nationwide in one poll. Trump has a 70 per cent disapproval rating with women. With Mexican Americans, the Donald’s disapproval reaches 89 percent — and when it comes to African Americans, Trump has a 94 per cent disapproval rating.

            There’s talk of him bringing out more white males than anyone ever, but how many of them are there who don’t usually vote? Bronx Berlusconis just aren’t that popular among the general voting populace.

            He looks like the political equivalent of the Hindenburg, due to crash and burn this November and take the GOP temporarily with him, but we’ll have to see. Things can change.

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          17. Dominick Vila June 19, 2016

            I watched the Spain-Turkey game on Friday. I bit lopsided, but not bad. My Dad was born in Spain, and my maternal ancestry was from the Basque land.
            Germany has an excellent team. I would not be surprised if they win the European Cup. I was very impressed with the Polish team as well.

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          18. dtgraham June 19, 2016

            I was aware of your Spanish ancestry from one or two previous posts. Man, Spain looks back in the groove and Nolito and Morata are looking awfully good. They were the kings of the world for about 5 years and still have largely the same players. I had read that France was the pre-tournament favourite, with possibly Germany also, but Spain is right there. They can win it all again as easily as anyone.

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          19. Dominick Vila June 19, 2016

            Morata, Nolito, and De Gea played a great game against Turkey. I saw a couple of defensive lapses though, that a more seasoned team would not have missed.
            There are several good European national teams playing. Any of them can win. All it take is a mistake by one of them for their opponent to win.

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          20. dtgraham June 20, 2016

            You got that right Dom. A Clockwork Orange from Holland, Italy is always there (4 world cups), England, and Belgium is shockingly now the number two nation in the world according to FIFA. Several can win.

            I can still remember having a lengthy conversation with a Greek hotel owner in my office after Greece’s historical Euro 2004 championship. It was truly one of the great sports upsets and stories of the ages. I shared Paul’s celebration of the event. I just never told him how disappointed I was with the Germans.

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          21. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            What are you driving at, David?
            What do these deeply troubled cities have to do with NRA influence on statehouses?

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          22. David June 14, 2016

            The comment was that state governments are influenced by the NRA resulting in lax gun laws and more murders. Wrong! The three cities I listed have been under Democrat control for decades; have no NRA influence; have draconian gun control laws, and, suffer from horrific murder rates. Wonder why?

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          23. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Job loss, racially segregated housing, absentee landlords, eroding tax bases, draconian drug laws, predatory lending. It’s a long, long list, David. It’s a shame we share.

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          24. David June 15, 2016

            The guilt is equal between Republicans and Democrats? I agree.

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          25. PrecipitousDrop June 15, 2016

            We. All of us. The electorate. We.

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    3. David June 14, 2016

      And, just how many of those “gun related shootings” are suicides? Why don’t we pass more laws curtailing your 1st Amendment rights?

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      1. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

        Please try to keep up, David.
        We’re talking about the SECOND Amendment, OK?

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        1. AgLander June 14, 2016

          Although we all know you’d just love to curtail his first amendment rights, too……..in fact, you regressive progressives would just as soon dump the entire Bill of Rights!

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          1. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Can’t do it, Sport.
            You and the other Conservatives ripped it up.

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          2. AgLander June 14, 2016

            You’re confusing me with Barry Obama….he’s the one who stated he was frustrated by them as “negative rights” which blocked him from having a free run….look it up grasshopper.

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          3. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            There’s nothing to look up, AgLander.
            This is another one of your fantasies.

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          4. AgLander June 14, 2016

            I know…no need to look anything up. The kool aid you drank overcomes all doubts and fact checking. Besides, you can’t handle the shock when you find that your “brain maps” are outdated.

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          5. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            People might understand you better if you began each statement with. “Once upon a time…”

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        2. David June 14, 2016

          It is one of the rights set forth in the Bill of Rights. Why is it that you want to circumscribe it and not any of the others?

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          1. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            When you ask a serious question, I’ll give you a serious answer, OK?
            Come back when you have one.
            I’ll be right here.

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          2. David June 14, 2016

            Oh, it is serious. Why do you think it is okay to curtail one of the basic rights set forth in the Bill of Rights?

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          3. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Your perception of “serious” is a bubble off plumb, David.
            Back up and try again.
            Take a deep breath first. It helps sometimes.

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          4. David June 14, 2016

            Can’t answer the question, can you? How does it feel to be outed as a DA?

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          5. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Outed as a District Attorney?
            That’s FUNNY, David. And very wrong.
            What’s your word salad question have to do with the purpose of this commentary?
            Remember? The mass murder in Orlando? Sunday morning?

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          6. David June 14, 2016

            I remember a Muslime call 911 boasting about his devotion to ISIS while killing/wounding about 100 Americans.

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          7. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            It is sadly so.
            We knew that, but the NRA, the senate, and congress allowed him to walk out of the store with a shiny new assault weapon anyway.
            That bothers me.

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          8. David June 14, 2016

            What bothers me is the creation of “gun free” zones. What they end up being is a killing ground for terrorists. Law abiding citizens go there unarmed and unable to respond in kind to this type of terror.

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          9. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            We don’t need “safe zones” to walk around unarmed, David.
            I do it nearly every day.
            Can you prove that armed citizens are any “safer” than unarmed citizens?

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          10. David June 14, 2016

            Will research that. In the meantime, ‘An armed society is a polite society.’

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          11. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            My neighbor used to say that.
            He shot himself after he shot his wife and son.
            Money troubles.

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    4. AgLander June 14, 2016

      “own up to their own shame”….
      You really shouldn’t be using such terms considering that your party’s presumptive nominee for president is days away from the FBI report concluding she compromised national security through her unsecured, private email system and only awaits an indictment by the Justice Department to send her to the political trash heap for the remainder of whatever time she has left of her miserable existence here on Earth.

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      1. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

        Another fever dream, Aggie?
        Aspirin might help.

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      2. Independent1 June 14, 2016

        You’re not only a pathological liar, you’re mentally retarded. Everything you post is a fantasy of your own imagination.

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  2. FireBaron June 14, 2016

    Jim Hines, a Democratic Congressman from Connecticut, called out the House on the floor yesterday. He told them he will refuse to recognize their “Moment of Silence” for the Orlando victims. Why? Because Congress’ repeated “silence” has caused another mass shooting.

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    1. dtgraham June 14, 2016

      I love that guy (now). Never heard of him before.

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      1. AgLander June 14, 2016

        You love a guy who simply uses hate rhetoric to further divide? Are you one of the dividers? You sure are sounding like it.

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        1. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

          No way, AgLander!
          YOU’RE STILL THE CHAMP!

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          1. dtgraham June 14, 2016

            LOL. I guess he ought to know a thing or two about that.

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          2. AgLander June 14, 2016

            Promiscuous use of upper caps does not add gravitas to a comment…..it just makes it less effective and makes you appear like a spit spewing screamer on a street corner

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          3. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Time for new glasses, Aggie?

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        2. dtgraham June 14, 2016

          Naah. Calling out a phony, pious, sham for what it is isn’t hate speech. Interesting definition you’ve got there. Dividing the doers from the fakers is always good.

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          1. AgLander June 14, 2016

            Check out the word “delusional”….your name may even pop up in the definition.

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          2. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Um, no. No mention at all…
            But, wait!
            Here’s an AgLander footnote…

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  3. David June 14, 2016

    “..a weapon designed only for war.” You stupid, libtard, weasel. The AR-15, and its lookalikes, is SEMI-AUTOMATIC. Not AUTOMATIC as are military weapons. Why aren’t you asking how this could happen in a ‘gun free zone’? Why aren’t you asking why aren’t we doing something about ISIS and its followers?

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    1. Paul Bass June 14, 2016

      Most Americans don’t get your distinction between Auto and Semi-Auto. That is NOT the point.
      Most Americans just want BOTH these types OFF our streets.

      Your Arguments are just the mendatious repetitions of NRA lies, are you proud of yourself? YOU support THE most terrorist organization in America. Congrats!

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      1. AgLander June 14, 2016

        …..incoherent blather. The kind that ISIS smiles at while saying “they are stupid, we have them right where we want them”.
        Well done…..congrats on encouraging our enemies. Maybe you are even one of them!

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        1. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

          Hey, Everybody!
          AgLander’s right over here!
          HE’S RECRUITING FOR ISIS!
          Yeah!
          The line starts here. He’ll sign you up when it’s your turn!

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          1. AgLander June 14, 2016

            That bark of yours is now sounding more like a whine!

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          2. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Awww, AgLander!
            You are SO sweet to me!

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      2. David June 14, 2016

        “Most Americans just want BOTH these types OFF our streets.” What is your authority for this statement? You and I both know that such statement is false. So, without citing your source, we can assume you are a miserable liar.
        “…THE most terrorist (sic) organization in America…” Really, check out the number of past Presidents who were members of that organization. Start with TR. Don’t pee in your pants.

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        1. Paul Bass June 14, 2016

          Teddy WOULD NOT belong to today’s NRA!

          Your statement alone shows how clueless you are.

          And YES, ALL polls say MOST AMERICANS (and even the MAJORITY of NRA members) FAVOR gun limits.

          Just because YOU say something doesn’t make it correct, try reality for a change.

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          1. David June 14, 2016

            TR helped start the NRA. TR wouldn’t have put up with puss–s like you and your liberal ilk.
            “All polls..even the MAJORITY of NRA members”? Cite one — liar!

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          2. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Theo. Roosevelt is dead. We can’t ask him.
            Why should anyone provide a “cite” for you? We’re not your tutors, Jethro. If you disagree — and it reads like you do — find support for your own position, and/or evidence to rebut Paul’s statement.
            No further study aids will be provided.

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          3. David June 14, 2016

            Try, for starters, CBS News Poll 26 Mar 13 and CNN Poll 21 Oct 15 that “most oppose stricter gun laws”. Test to follow.

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          4. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            What year(s) Perfesser?

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          5. David June 14, 2016

            26 Mar 13 and 21 Oct 15 — that is military for March 26, 2013 and October 21, 2015.

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          6. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Oh.
            I don’t speak “military.”
            Please refer to Paul Bass, above.

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          7. Paul Bass June 14, 2016

            Yes, david, my citations are this year! Not old news!

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          8. David June 14, 2016

            You must have forgot to include the polls that say most NRA members advocate “gun limits”.

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          9. David June 15, 2016

            Read your liberal tripe. My question was where is the poll that says that most NRA members advocate “gun limits”. Havent been able to provide one. There isn’t one. You are now shown to be an ignorant liar!

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          10. Paul Bass June 15, 2016

            Do you even read?

            The citation says “MOST GUN OWNERS”, and you know, MOST GUN OWNERS do NOT belong to the corrupt, evil NRA!

            Again, david, clueless, NRA NAZI, congrats!

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          11. PrecipitousDrop June 15, 2016

            Quite the contrary. David.
            Unfortunately, a person could wrap your house with evidence of it, and you would still deny, deny, deny.
            The truth just doesn’t suit you.
            There’s no help for that.
            Pity.

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          12. Paul Bass June 14, 2016

            http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-guns-idUSKCN0UQ2O220160113

            time.com/4173116/gun-control-barack-obama-polls/

            Just 2, after a 1 second search, yes, David you are a NRA tool, congrats!

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          13. David June 14, 2016

            I am a combat veteran of the USAF. I am also a Life Member of the NRA.

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          14. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            It is tiresome to reiterate the obvious, David.

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          15. David June 14, 2016

            My sentiments exactly! Molon labe!

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    2. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

      Who gives a fig? Automatic? Semi-automatic? Do these rapid-fire boomsticks have any utility beyond killing people or making holes in targets?
      We don’t ask ourselves your “questions,” David, because we know “why.”
      It’s a pity that you can’t grasp the answers, too.

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      1. AgLander June 14, 2016

        You’re frightened…we get it. Don’t worry….there are still grown ups here to protect you from your irrational fears.

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        1. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

          Some things do frighten me, AgLander: Prolonged, painful death, war, the usual things.
          Now you’ve given me two more: That you are a “grownup” and that a bed-wetter like yourself would ever “protect” me from anything!
          Really spooky stuff, that.

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          1. AgLander June 14, 2016

            Those afraid of wars are at the mercy of those who mean them great harm and know they are weak and afraid.

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          2. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Ole, AgLander…
            Except, uh, a successful matador AVOIDS the bull.

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          3. AgLander June 14, 2016

            I’ll accept that as you conceding the point. Thank you.

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          4. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            No, Sir.
            The ambulance will be here soon. Try to hang on.

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          5. AgLander June 14, 2016

            I’m no fan of bullfighting, but you must have discovered a different format where the matador simply doesn’t show up, or jumps over the boards to avoid facing the bull…..maybe you’re confusing bullfighting with your visits to the petting zoo??

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          6. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Bullfighting is a pretty gory spectacle. It’s not popular with he-man wannabes like yourself. I get that.

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          7. AgLander June 14, 2016

            Oh, no….I can handle the petting zoo version that you are hooked on.

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          8. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            I love your lively imagination, AgLander!
            I really DO!

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          9. AgLander June 14, 2016

            Let me remind you that this conversation is the result of you expressing extreme fear of wars and wanting to cower away from them, no matter what the cost in capitulation to the enemy….. now return to your original lilypad and stop jumping around like a grasshopper.

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          10. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Stay on topic, AgLander.
            Your incorrect recollection was ages ago!
            Is this comprehension thing a new problem, or have you had it for a while?

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      2. David June 14, 2016

        I get it. You believe inanimate objects can be “evil” and can perform acts on their own, like “kill” people. Wake up Einstein! It is the person wielding the weapon that is the issue. But, don’t blame ISIS and the Muslimes! You might infuriate them!

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        1. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

          Adam Lanza wasn’t Muslim.
          Aurora’s James Holmes wasn’t Muslim.
          Robert Dear in Colorado Springs wasn’t Muslim.
          Jared Lee Loughner, who shot Rep. Gifford and several others. wasn’t Muslim.
          I could go on all day long.
          The devices that allowed these White, native citizens to become mass murderers were guns and high-capacity ammunition clips.
          It’s pretty dumb, don’t you think, to allow known and suspected terrorists to buy more assault weapons?

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          1. David June 14, 2016

            It’s pretty dumb, don’t you think, to allow people like you to voice their opinions in public?

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          2. David June 14, 2016

            Let’s see…
            The Boston Marathon bombers were Muslimes;
            The Washington, D.C. Navy Yard killer was Muslime;
            The a–holes at the cartoonist convention in Garland, Texas were Muslimes;
            The a–hole in Murfreesboro, Tenn was Muslime;
            The a–holes in San Bernadino were Muslimes;
            The a–hole in Orlando was Muslime;
            The a-holes in Paris were Muslimes.
            Gee, it’s pretty dumb, don’t you think, to not recognize the underlying common thread of these incidents?

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          3. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            I see that you got frustrated with Googling for names of the murders, David, and opted for the universal dismissive default of “a-hole.” There is effective medicine for Attention Deficit problems. See your doctor.
            The underlying feature of your murderers list and mine — the “common thread that unites the two groups — continues to be the devices that they used to effect or prolong their killing sprees: guns and ample ammunition for their guns.

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          4. David June 14, 2016

            By the way, the word is “murderers” not “murders”. The point I made was that they were Muslimes. I don’t have to look up their names.

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          5. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Good copy proofing, David. My bad.
            I’m pretty sure every single Muslim does have a name, just like we all do. I know it’s frustrating, but their names matter. Take the time to look them up.

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          6. David June 14, 2016

            Accepted.
            I agree that each of them had names. Their names likely matter to their parents. I, on the other hand, do not care about their names. Have a blessed day.

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          7. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Very well.
            Dismissed.

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          8. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            You reveal yourself, David.
            It’s not pretty. Or patriotic.

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          9. David June 14, 2016

            But, it is pretty to want to do away with one of the Bill of Rights? How ‘patriotic’ is that?

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          10. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            How do you figure that, David?
            You’re the one who wants to curb my public discourse.

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          11. David June 14, 2016

            And you are the one who wants to curb my right to keep and bear arms!

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          12. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

            Do you have the desire to become a mass murderer?
            If you do, I absolutely want you to be kept as far as possible from any firearm.
            If you don’t want to perform mass murder, knock yourself out. Buy any damned boomstick that strikes your fancy.

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          13. David June 14, 2016

            We AGREE!!!!!!! Have a blessed day!

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          14. Independent1 June 14, 2016

            You don’t have ‘A RIGHT’ to bear arms – only in the twisted minds of 5 corrupt and bought and paid for right-wing nut cases on SCOTUS who bastardized the meaning of the Second Amendment FOR MONEY FROM THE NRA!!!!!!!

            THE 2ND AMENDMENT GIVES NO NON MILITARY PERSON A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!!!

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          15. David June 15, 2016

            Gee, your analysis of the 2nd Amendment is so insightful. I see where the Constitution only applied it to “military persons”.

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          16. Independent1 June 15, 2016

            That was the 2nd Amendment dummy, not the entire Constitution!!! Grow up!!!!!

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  4. AgLander June 14, 2016

    Find a thug, you’ve found the problem.
    Find a gun, you’ve simply found a gun
    Liberal regressive progressives just don’t get it. I don’t think they ever will. Democrats cater to these regressive progressives. Electing fewer Democrats will also be a big help in solving the problem.

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    1. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

      AgLander! Ya Big Sweetie! Where ya been, man? Was there another — wink! wink! — meeting? All your Klan friends show up?
      Chill.

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      1. AgLander June 14, 2016

        Translation of your comment: “I got nuthin, so I’ll just bark at you like a miniature dog”. (At least you are consistent…..I keep hoping, however, that those wind gusts we hear whistling between your ears stop and you begin the painful process of growing a brain.)

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        1. PrecipitousDrop June 14, 2016

          Oh, Sorry!
          I forgot you needed to have it Dumbed Down!

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