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Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and U.S. Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) wave to the crowd during a campaign rally at Ernst Community Cultural Center in Annandale, Virginia, U.S., July 14, 2016. REUTERS/Carlos Barria

By John Whitesides and Richard Cowan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Hillary Clinton named U.S. Senator Tim Kaine as her running mate on Friday, making a safe choice that will help her present the Democratic ticket as a steady alternative to the unpredictable campaign of Republican presidential rival Donald Trump.

The selection of Kaine, a self-described “boring” Virginian with wide governing experience and a reputation for low-key competence, could appeal to independents and moderates but is likely to anger liberal groups who object to his advocacy for an Asian free-trade pact.

But the Spanish-speaking former Virginia governor and Richmond mayor fits Clinton’s long-stated criteria that the vice presidential choice be a capable partner who is ready to take over the presidency if necessary.

Clinton made the announcement via Twitter after the first day of a two-day campaign swing in Florida.

Kaine, 58, edged out two other finalists – Cory Booker, a U.S. senator from New Jersey, and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, according to a Democratic source familiar with the discussions.

Clinton also bypassed candidates who would have generated more excitement among liberal and Hispanic activists, including progressive favorite U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren and two Hispanic Cabinet members, Julian Castro and Thomas Perez.

The former secretary of state will be formally nominated as the party’s presidential candidate for the Nov. 8 election at next week’s Democratic convention in Philadelphia. She leads Trump in many opinion polls.

Clinton’s choice of a running mate could give her campaign momentum heading into the convention, as the fight for the White House begins a more than three-month push to the finish.

Clinton acknowledged in an interview earlier this week that even Kaine admits he is boring, and said she did not mind.

“I love that about him,” she told Charlie Rose of CBS News and PBS. “He’s never lost an election. He was a world-class mayor, governor and senator and is one of the most highly respected senators I know.”

Kaine‘s first appearance with Clinton could come on Saturday at an event in Miami.

 

(Additional reporting by Amanda Becker in Florida; Editing by Leslie Adler)

Photo: Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and U.S. Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) wave to the crowd during a campaign rally at Ernst Community Cultural Center in Annandale, Virginia, U.S., July 14, 2016.  REUTERS/Carlos Barria

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  1. wscott@yorkez.com July 22, 2016

    so glad she bypassed Tom Vilsack who as the governor of iowa and head of the dept of agriculture has done little to nothing to stop the horror show known as “Puppy Mills’!!!

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  2. Bob Eddy July 22, 2016

    I was hoping for something more progressive, but on many levels this makes a lot of sense by creating a ticket of two adults to contrast to the iirrational, ungrounded mess that is the Trump ticket…Besides, we can now have a Democratic controlled Senate if not led by Sanders and Warren, at least being ass kicked by them. One additional plus is that he is relatively young leaving room for a run in 2024. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Remember that the Republican party still owns the voying machines so the only way to win is to win big.

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    1. King of America July 22, 2016

      This is a solid choice; it’s not designed to appeal to the (relatively tiny) fraction of Sanders supporters who won’t vote Clinton – it’s designed to show the bulk of the electorate that Clinton will make serious decisions.

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      1. A.T. July 23, 2016

        Yes, and that she isn’t choosing a “running mate” to pander to disgruntled voters, she chose a Vice President.

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      2. dtgraham July 23, 2016

        Yes I know. Anything to the left of Vlad the Impaler politically, is just not serious. She seriously arranged to have the medicare-for-all amendment removed from the DNC platform. It would have simply meant that the Dems were in favour of it. You must have seriously liked that. Seriously.

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        1. King of America July 23, 2016

          Yes yes conspiracy theories are easier than thinking.

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          1. dtgraham July 25, 2016

            That’s one of your other tourette syndrome words or phrases that you repeat ad nauseam. Conspiracy theory. What does that even mean in the context of what I was talking about?

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          2. King of America July 25, 2016

            Didn’t you Leave Forever™ yet again?

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        2. Elliot J. Stamler July 24, 2016

          When you Sanders leftists come up with the factual and realistic way medicare-for-all can be paid for and tell us exactly what tax raises will be required and on whom, then maybe such a ridiculous proposal will be taken seriously. You have a Congress that’s panting to repeal the Affordable Care Act and you leftist loons want to try to get medicare for all. You are so daft and dumb you do not realize what the enemy wants is medicare for NONE! Thank God Bernie Sanders is not our nominee.

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          1. dtgraham July 25, 2016

            I’ve already done that in another post months ago but I’m not going to repeat it for you. How are other nations doing this? I laid out exactly how they are. Those countries don’t consider it to be “ridiculous”. In fact, repealing it would be political suicide of the highest order. I live in a single payer country.

            I’m not saying that this is politically feasible right now. Obviously it isn’t. All I’m saying is that the Democratic party needs to sign on to the idea that they’re in favour of it. That’s all. It’s done for American seniors, and it’s done for everyone in some other wealthy advanced countries. To say that you’re not even in favour of it…what does that mean?

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          2. Elliot J. Stamler July 25, 2016

            The other countries that have done it have populations that have been willing to accept the much higher, inevitable taxes such a program will cost. I see no evidence (repeat Mr/Ms Graham, evidence!!!) that the American people will. You will. I am not in favor of it because it is pie-in-the-sky and can’t happen….and therein is the unbridgeable difference between leftist socialists and centrist-liberal capitalists…which I am.
            If and when the American people will accept the financial burden, I certainly would consider it…but there exists no possibility of that in the foreseeable future.
            I thought it was typical of Mr. Sanders’s socialist demagoguery when he replied in answer to the question of financing that Americans would be willing to pay a quarter more for their fast-food hamburgers.
            Medicare for All will cost a lot more than a quarter more for a hamburger.
            Sanders know nothing about economics. As a mainstream Democrat I want to amend the ACA to fix its problems and then to sensibly strengthen it. That is morally right and may be politically feasible if we can overcome the party of fascism and reaction that presently controls Congress.

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          3. dtgraham July 25, 2016

            There will always be uninsured under the ACA no matter how much you fix it (fix?) because it relies solely on the for-profit private health insurance industry. There’s no “fix” to be had anyway because the Republicans will control Congress until into the next decade, and they hate it as it is now. They want the unfixed version gone, never mind fixing anything. So, that’s pie-in-the-sky and yet you’re in favour of that.

            Do you remember Bernie’s argument? I have no monthly health care premium, no cost sharing, no deductibles, but I’m covered for everything if I ever need to use a hospital, and no one will ever ask me for money. Even with higher taxes, I’m ahead of the game financially and I also have no health care worries…ever. That was his argument to the higher taxes claim and it’s true.

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          4. Elliot J. Stamler July 25, 2016

            What kind of non-sequitur answer is that? You admit that there is no chance for a decade of fixing the ACA and yet you dispute my assertion that for a candidate to make medicare-for-all a central part of his/her program in 2016 is good politics…or good public policy?
            If Sen. Sanders said what you wrote that HE currently has such a health plan then I assume it is the senatorial health plan…I must say I had no idea they had so excellent a program. But, sir, if it is so and you say that this a “true” argument to the higher taxes claim, that’s pure baloney …WHO IS PAYING FOR SEN. SANDERS’S HEALTH PLAN? I have news for you my socialist (perhaps quasi-Marxist )friend, somebody-some entity, is paying for it… there is no such thing as
            a free lunch. Just as countries with your idealized socialized medicine are paying for it…with higher taxes.
            And frankly, Mr/Ms Graham you can not read the English language very well because you retort I am in favor of the Republican idea of not fixing anything…that is the exact OPPOSITE of what I wrote. I wrote it is Sanders’s proposal that is pie-in-the-sky. And it appeals to people like you because like him, and I will be perfectly blunt, you too know nothing about economics and are basically socialists…this country and the vast majority of American Democrats, LIKE ME, are capitalists and do understand basic economics.

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          5. dtgraham July 27, 2016

            i) Sanders has said that he, of course, has no intention of doing anything to the ACA except try to find any way possible to improve it (good luck). Should the time ever arise where it would be politically possible to switch to a medicare-for-all system, he’s indicated that he prefers that and would simply like the party to state that in it’s platform as the ultimate goal. Is that too hard to understand?

            ii) I said nothing of the kind insofar as you agreeing with Republicans on the ACA. I merely said that “fixing” it is also pie-in-the-sky, given that the GOP will be in control of Congress until into the next decade.

            iii) The system I described is the Canadian system but single payer exists in the UK, Spain, Australia, and Taiwan. Are these countries all broke? Do they know nothing about economics? I might also add that U.S. medicare fits the definition of single payer.

            Any national system would be paid for in part, or in whole, through taxes replacing insurance premiums, but advocates also believe that savings would be realized through preventive care and the elimination of insurance company overhead and hospital billing costs.

            An analysis of a single-payer bill by Physicians for a National Health Program estimated the immediate savings at $350 billion per year. The Commonwealth Fund believes that if the United States adopted a universal health care system, the mortality rate would improve and the country would save approximately $570 billion a year.

            You don’t prefer single payer? Fine. Make your case for something else. There are plenty of good hybrid universal systems internationally that cover everyone. The ACA is not close to universal heath care and never will be. Not by itself.

            You’re good with infantile insults and childish rants and tirades about socialism and marxism. I’ll give you that, but your arguments lack depth, sophistication and reason.

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          6. Elliot J. Stamler July 27, 2016

            Mr/Ms Graham:
            I’d just love to know what you do for a living and your background because I’d be pretty confident like most of you leftist-Sandersites you have been pretty much of a financial failure in your life. This is buttressed by the fact that like most leftist and rightist extremists, you simply can not resist personal invective and insult such as calling me infantile and dismissing every point I made as a childish rant and and an insult. I didn’t insult you—I did write you are a socialist and perhaps a Marxist…aren’t you? I don’t consider that an insult or a rant but a description. What I wrote was a strong, reasoned disagreement with you but to leftists, like rightists, you know only how to disparage with insult.
            You also like most of your type are not really well educated as witness you lack of being able to read with any objectivity what someone who disagrees with you, writes. For the record I wrote that IF at some future time there is both a political possibility of enacting medicare-for-all AND a concomitant (look up the word) and real way of paying for it without breaking the bank, I WOULD consider it. Neither of those situations has any possibility of existing in the foreseeable future.
            I am not going to continue to reply to you because, and here it comes, you are my intellectual, educational, and financial inferior and beneath me.

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          7. dtgraham July 27, 2016

            “Mr/Ms Graham you can not read the English language very well”

            “I will be perfectly blunt, you too know nothing about economics”

            “you have been pretty much of a financial failure in your life.”

            “You also like most of your type are not really well educated”

            What were those Elliot? Compliments? Pulling a King of America on me?

            I can assure you that there is a real way of paying for it without breaking the bank. The mere facts that U.S. per capita health care spending is more than twice the average of other developed countries, and that other developed countries do well with single payer, should be enough in itself to convince even the likes of you that it’s obviously possible for the United States.

            As to my background, I’m a semi-retired public accountant in Canada. Although everyone is superman on the internet, I’ll take your word on all of your amazing personal qualities. Congratulations, but that still doesn’t make you better than anybody else.

            Incidentally Elliot, I wouldn’t reply to me anymore either if I were you. Not because of my inferiority to the great Elliot J. Stamler, but because you end up looking silly.

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          8. Elliot J. Stamler July 27, 2016

            Don’t you think it would be more appropriate as a foreigner to confine your detailed criticisms of politics to CANADIAN politics? I don’t see Americans opining in depth on your politicians and policies.

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          9. dtgraham July 28, 2016

            I thought you weren’t going to reply to me as I am your inferior and beneath you?

            Generally not to much depth as there is little to no coverage of Canadian politics in America. You might be surprised though, that there are usually a few American liberals commenting on a National Memo type website for Canadian politics, which I also occasionally haunt. Including the American actor John Stamos, whom I’ve corresponded with once. Quite a surprise to see him there the first time. There’s been a small uptick in this since last year. Justin Trudeau has his U.S. fans. They’re likely more curious about the country than most of it’s political issues, I can only imagine, although the odd one is picking up on some details.

            The thing about Canadian politics is that it’s much more bland and vanilla than American. American politics are livelier shall we say (I’ll put it that way), and there are extremes on the right that make it interesting to follow.

            I’ve always voted for a Bernie Sanders type party in Canada, so it’s natural for me to vocally support my fellow social democrats in America. Those kinds of political affiliations and feelings don’t respect borders.

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      3. Elliot J. Stamler July 24, 2016

        @ King of America: I agree fully with your comment. The die-hard leftist Sanders people who are perfectly willing to have fascism come to America are people we Democrats shouldn’t even waste time on..let them go over to the Red, aka Green, Party and throw away their vote on the communist fellow-traveller Stein. Those leftists are a small minority in this country and their views out of line with most Democrats and most Americans. Sen. Kaine is as solid as you can get.

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        1. King of America July 24, 2016

          Yes except for one thing: Stein & the greens aren’t really communists – they are conspiracy theorists. Stein is an actual MD who is willing to let anti-vaxxers into her party because it’s expedient – I honestly can’t think of anything worse I could say about her.

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          1. dtgraham July 25, 2016

            “Conspiracy theorists” Bwahaaahaaaaaaaa!

            I’d ask you to provide a list of everything that you feel is a conspiracy theory, but I plan on doing some reading between now and December. Your list would take up the rest of the year.

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          2. King of America July 25, 2016

            Yeah, it’s not really surprising that you are anti-science. Good luck with your anti-vaxxer party!

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  3. A. D. Reed July 22, 2016

    I hope my fellow liberals and progressives, including, especially, Bernie supporters, study Kaine’s record as a legal-aid lawyer, advocate and attorney for housing rights, supporter of gun control and improved access to healthcare, and his lifelong positions on the death penalty and equal rights. I hope they recognize that his personal opposition to abortion (he’s a devout Catholic) has never caused him to waver in his support for Roe v. Wade (he doesn’t impose his personal faith on public polity), just as his personal opposition to the death penalty did not keep him from carrying out Virginia’s law when he had to approve executions.

    He’s a man of conscience, character, and strong liberal beliefs that were his hallmark in southern, conservative-leaning Virginia, and he helped change the state from red to blue. So those who oppose his views on trade, make your argument; get your own legislators to oppose TPP; keep the pressure on the Clinton-Kaine administration to negotiate new, better, more rational agreements, or none. But please don’t sit at home and stew because your favorite didn’t get picked for VP.

    Whatever your feelings, put them aside for a thought: empty seat(s) on the Supreme Court.

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  4. A_Real_Einstein July 23, 2016

    Hillarys donors would never allow her to pick Warren or Sanders. Gutless.

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    1. King of America July 23, 2016

      Warren didn’t want the job; Sanders is totally unsuitable.

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      1. 1standlastword July 23, 2016

        Unsuitable to the establishment that designed the America we live in today!

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        1. King of America July 23, 2016

          No, unsuitable because he’s demonstrated an astounding political tone-deafness.

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          1. 1standlastword July 23, 2016

            Yep! To the sound of cha-ching that gets the tail feathers of the establishment politician’s swinging.

            You’re right.

            I mean who can think about political tone these days without hearing cha-ching??!

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          2. King of America July 23, 2016

            Yes I mean that self-righteous nonsense, not the words I actually said. Well done.

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          3. 1standlastword July 23, 2016

            Oh but self righteousness is the life blood of all politicians….Haven’t you noticed!?

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          4. King of America July 23, 2016

            Are you OK?

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          5. 1standlastword July 23, 2016

            Never been better!

            And I should know!!!

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          6. King of America July 23, 2016

            Alright then.

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          7. 1standlastword July 23, 2016

            😉

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    2. dtgraham July 23, 2016

      Or Sherrod Brown, or Alan Grayson, or Nina Turner, or Keith Ellison, or Jerry Brown. They’re all off limits to Hillary’s donors supposedly. The conservative Democrat Kaine is perfect though. No off limits at all.

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      1. King of America July 23, 2016

        Donald Trump thanks the pair of you for your support. The Koch brothers are very pleased.

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        1. dtgraham July 23, 2016

          I know how this works with you.

          You thought that all the Sanders supporters during the primaries were nuts and politically treasonous. Secret Republicans you strongly implied. To you, one must support the most establishment conservative Democrat possible or be accused of sucking Koch.

          You’re the one who once told me that you didn’t even care whether Hillary was progressive or not. That’s quote, unquote. I won’t forget that one and I’ll never tire of mentioning it.

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          1. King of America July 23, 2016

            I *WAS* a Sanders supporter, you insufferable idiot.

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          2. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            That is f’ing amazing man. You’ve even got Trump beat for lying. You railed against Sanders for almost a year, and still do. Do you think nobody remembers? What’s the matter with you?

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          3. King of America July 23, 2016

            OK sorry that you’ve disappeared so far up your own backside that you think you can tell people what their own opinions are. You can’t.

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          4. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            I can tell them what they repeatedly said in the past and what their opinions obviously were. You’re pulling this routine again.

            Do you just think that you can say, “I hate x”, and then when someone mentions that you hate x, you can simply reply, “don’t you dare tell me what my opinion is on x.” “You can’t tell me what my opinion is on x.”

            What is wrong with you?

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          5. King of America July 23, 2016

            I get that you are a deluded conspiracy theorist that has to build strawmen in order to have any kind of argument at all; I really do. It’s just that you don’t get to make up stuff about me and tell me I’m wrong.

            I hope that helps! Obviously it won’t, though!

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          6. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            I get to tell you exactly what you’ve said in the past you psycho.

            I hope that helps!

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          7. King of America July 23, 2016

            So what did I say? Also, why do you think ableism is an acceptable thing for a supposed Progressive to engage in?

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          8. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            We’re doing this all over again. I’ve been here before. I remember ableism. Remember my response? I pasted all of the insults you used toward me from your various posts, you hypocrite.

            It’s mentalism anyway, not ableism for your condition.

            So what did I say you ask? Grab some posts from your history showing you supporting Bernie Sanders, you liar. The onus is on you.

            “Supposed progressive” huh. Spoken by the one who didn’t even care whether Hillary was progressive or not. Yeah, you sound like a former Bernie supporter all right. Sure pal.

            Liar!

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          9. King of America July 23, 2016

            I don’t really care how you justify being a nasty little fascist to yourself.

            I hope that helps!

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          10. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            Even when someone remarks about your lack of creativity and a tourette syndrome use of the same words and phrases, you continue to use them.

            How would you phrase that? Weird.

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          11. King of America July 23, 2016

            Yes I get that you think that continual slurs about mental health are a substitute for your inability to back up your authoritarianism. The only baffling thing is why you ever thought you were liberal.

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          12. dtgraham July 24, 2016

            Because I’m the real deal, and you’re just someone who’s liberal on a few social issues but conservative on everything else. You’re a “serious” Democrat, am I right?

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          13. King of America July 25, 2016

            You – a freaking Trump supporter – do not get to tell other people who is and isn’t liberal.

            I hope that helps!

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          14. King of America July 23, 2016

            I also love that you think that just asking people not to call Clinton a “whore” counts as “railing against Sanders”. You will not find a single post of mine in which I endorse Clinton over Sanders before April this year, you condescending maladapt .

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          15. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            You’re a psychopath. You believe your own lies. You called Sanders every name I could think of long before April, and talked about his socialism and how unqualified he was and how he never held a job in his younger years, etc, etc… You used to go on and on.

            Nice try. Think you can throw some qualifying month in there to muddy the waters and possibly make your claim more believable to people familiar with your posting history. Who in the hell believes you ever supported Bernie Sanders? Nobody.

            Other posters have called out your peculiar style and one suggested to me that you show signs of having a criminal mindset. I finally agree. You must be some kind of a psycho to think you can actually roll me, or anyone else, on this.

            Oh by the way, I adapt nicely. Your little insult there didn’t even make sense.

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          16. King of America July 23, 2016

            What lies? Link to evidence or shut up.

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          17. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            Your posting history is locked out and private you psycho.

            Every person on this website familiar with you over the last year or so, fully knows that you can’t stand Bernie Sanders and never supported him. You’ve been touting Hillary all along.

            Fair enough. That’s not a crime, but what on earth makes you believe that you can get away with this kind of bizarre lie? You’ve got issues man.

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          18. King of America July 23, 2016

            So you can’t. Weird.

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          19. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            Weird??? I just told you why. There’s your “weird” again. You use the same words and phrases all the time.

            Here’s the test. You find posts from your history that show you definitely supporting Bernie Sanders during the primaries right here at the National Memo. Copy and paste them here.

            You won’t be able to, you psychopath.

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          20. King of America July 23, 2016

            So you got nothing and can’t work google. Weird.

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          21. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            Oh yes, all of the posting comments of joe citizen on websites from 6 months ago or a year ago, can easily be found with an internet search. Sure. Are you a published writer?

            Go into your posting history and display the NM posts showing you supporting Bernie Sanders. You have access, I don’t.

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          22. King of America July 23, 2016

            So you got nothing except insults, conspiracy theories and Othering. Weird.

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          23. dtgraham July 24, 2016

            “Othering”? That’s not a word, and shouldn’t begin with a capital letter at the end of a sentence even if it were. Othering?

            As far as the “weird” goes, do you really have no self respect at this point, or is it a case of no self awareness?

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          24. King of America July 25, 2016

            Yeah sorry but you don’t get to pretend away what you’re undeniably doing.

            I hope that helps!

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          25. dtgraham July 25, 2016

            That’s not satisfying enough. I need my hit of weird, get better soon, and conspiracy theorist. C’mon. I’ve got the heebie jeebies here. You’re getting me hooked.

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          26. King of America July 25, 2016

            I don’t really care what you want.

            I hope that helps!

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          27. King of America July 23, 2016

            PS: I get that you’re an authoritarian bully, but I really have no obligation to prove my Ideological Purity to you.

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          28. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            You have an obligation to prove what you said, seeing that you can easily do it and I can’t.

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          29. King of America July 23, 2016

            I don’t have any such obligation. You’re nuts.

            I hope that helps!

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          30. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            You wanted me to prove that you never supported Sanders. You kept insisting that I had an obligation. You prove that you did, because you’re the one saying that you once did. You can prove this easily, I can’t.

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          31. King of America July 23, 2016

            I didn’t “want” any such thing; you claimed that I didn’t, but – as you always are – are unable to back it up. You are impotent.

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          32. dtgraham July 25, 2016

            I am not! I’m fully recovered now. Watching that Mama June and Sugar Bear sex tape ruined me for quite a while though.

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          33. King of America July 25, 2016

            OK sorry you’re broken.

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          34. King of America July 23, 2016

            PS: I asked before, but why do you think it’s acceptable to slur someone’s mental health? Not particularly progressive, although obviously as a Trump supporter neither are you.

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          35. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            Oh you’re cute. We’ve done this all before too. When called on your lies, you deflect to something else. You don’t the term psycho? Stop acting like one.

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          36. King of America July 23, 2016

            Sorry you can’t back up either your claims or your behaviour. There’s still time to stop supporting Trump and become an actual liberal instead of a fake one.

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          37. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            Copy and paste your posts from your personal history showing you supporting Bernie Sanders. Should be easy to do.

            We’ve done all this before too. When called on your lies and offered an easy way out multiple times, you just deflect and ignore.

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          38. King of America July 23, 2016

            Oddly, I don’t have to do a damn thing you say. You made a claim; you back it up. Oh wait – you can’t, as usual.

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          39. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            No idiot. You made a claim about being a former Bernie Sanders supporter before April or May. Everyone knows that you obviously weren’t. You can easily prove this, but I can’t because your posting history is private. Now prove it!

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          40. King of America July 23, 2016

            Sorry to hear that you failed junior high debating! I made a counter-claim, not a claim. The onus remains on you to prove yours; you cannot, as it is 100% false.

            As usual.

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          41. dtgraham July 24, 2016

            No, you made a counter-claim that my original claim of disbelief of your previous support of Bernie Sanders was unwarranted. You then went on to make your counter-claim that I should provide proof that it wasn’t.

            My claim was the original, yours was the counter-claim. Give it up tourette boy. I don’t care what kind of minutiae of details you want to get into. You don’t have the facts or the brains to keep up with me. Why you want to keep getting humiliated publicly is beyond me.

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          42. King of America July 25, 2016

            Sorry you can’t read or think! You still don’t get to make up stuff about other people!

            I hope that helps!

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      2. King of America July 23, 2016

        Also, in WHAT GODDAM UNIVERSE is Kaine “conservative”?

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        1. dtgraham July 23, 2016

          He’s considered a blue dog. Conservative for a Democrat. You know, your kind of conservative. A little nuance my caps lock friend.

          https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1490366/hillary-clinton-announces-conservative-democrat-tim-kaine-as-her-vice-presidential-running-mate/

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          1. King of America July 23, 2016

            Yeah that isn’t true.

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          2. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            Typical King. No counter argument or any thought process at all. Just “yeah that isn’t true.” So, yeah I’m just supposed to believe you?

            Kaine has supported restrictions on abortion, abstinence only sex education, right-to-work laws, bank deregulation, and TPP. Not sure where he is on medicare-for-all, but I’m pretty sure that’s enough by itself to label him as a conservative Democrat.

            As you always say, hope that helps!

            https://www.thenation.com/article/tim-kaine-has-a-troubling-record-on-labor-issues/

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/7/21/1550612/-Tim-Kaine-supports-abortion-restrictions-and-is-pro-Wall-Street-He-shouldn-t-be-anyone-s-VP-pick

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          3. King of America July 23, 2016

            Sorry that you think linking to a British tabloid “proves” that Kaine is a conservative. It doesn’t.

            Get better soon!

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          4. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            How about all of the other publications that I linked to? How about all of the things that I mentioned being readily available on the internet with a quick search?

            You do this on purpose. You are the second most irritating person that I’ve seen on this website, and you’re gunning for number one.

            I’d say get better soon, but there’s no chance with you.

            Can’t you be a little more creative? You repeat the same stupid phrases all the time.

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          5. King of America July 23, 2016

            So to sum up: as usual, you got nothing to back up your outrageous claims about the ideological impurity of another person. Bit of a running theme with you, really.

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          6. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            Nice turn of words that have no meaning in the context of this discussion. It’s just what you do. That and lying, deflecting, irrelevancies, changing the subject, pretending someone said something very different from what they actually did, not addressing someone’s points, and on and on.

            You’re the Monty Python looking for an argument sketch, come to life.

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          7. King of America July 23, 2016

            So you got nothing to justify your 100% false claim, and turn to insults. Weird!

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          8. dtgraham July 23, 2016

            Tourette syndrome boy, you’re unbelievable. Not wasting any more of this night on you even if I could. Get your last shot in. There won’t be a reply.

            Weird.
            Get better soon.
            Hope that helps!

            Take your pick of endings for this last post. Whichever one you prefer.

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          9. King of America July 23, 2016

            Sorry that you suck; better luck next time you try to enforce your rigid orthodoxy on the rest of the world!

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          10. King of America July 23, 2016

            PS: this is, by my count, at least the sixth or seventh time you’ve claimed you were Never Going To Reply Again. I will be lost without your Very Important Opinions about how other people aren’t as perfect as you.

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          11. dtgraham July 25, 2016

            Ever notice that these replies are a day or two later, you freak? I meant, of course, no further replies for the rest of the day.

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          12. King of America July 25, 2016

            Yes yes “leaving forever” means “leaving until I can think of a new mental health slur”.

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          13. dtgraham July 25, 2016

            Nope, never said leaving forever. I wouldn’t do that. I know you can’t quit me.

            I hope that helps.

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          14. King of America July 25, 2016

            See previous post.

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          15. King of America July 23, 2016

            PS: Sorry to burst your bubble, but Kaine has a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood.

            https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/congressional-scorecard#/virginia/450

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          16. dtgraham July 25, 2016

            Looks good. He may have come around, but he’s had issues with abortion rights supporters in the past. He also supports the Hyde amendment, unless that’s changed too. Sometimes you’re not sure exactly what to think.

            http://www.politico.com/story/2009/03/dnc-chair-infuriates-abortion-backers-020686

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          17. King of America July 25, 2016

            If the best you can do for “conservative” is that he once allowed a political message on some license plates, while specifically explaining his reasons for doing so, then he’s not conservative. He has a F rating from the NRA and perfect scores from PP, NARAL, and several other progressive groups.

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          18. dtgraham July 25, 2016

            The money from the plates then went to fund the fake, right wing, anti-abortion, pregnancy crisis centers. Kaine knew that.

            He also supported right-to-work legislation in Virginia. He wants further deregulation of the banks, and he supports TPP.

            https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/listen-to-tim-kaines-im-conservative-radio-ads-from-2005?utm_term=.bjK9RMW5VM#.ydNB3dp2wd

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          19. King of America July 25, 2016

            So Kaine didn’t discriminate based on politics and you hold that against him. Also, TPP conspiracy theories. Got it.

            Sorry, still not “conservative”.

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          20. dtgraham July 25, 2016

            That’s actually a trade deal. Just a trade deal. I know everything to you is a conspiracy theory, but this one isn’t.

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          21. King of America July 25, 2016

            You seem to think that supporting the TPP (which he doesn’t, btw) somehow makes you conservative. It doesn’t.

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          22. dtgraham July 25, 2016

            Shockingly I have to agree. The further right on the political spectrum you go though, the more support you find for it. The opposite is true as you go left.

            He did support it but he may be swallowing that now after Bernie got Hillary to stop supporting it publicly. She’s not big on principles and could change at any time though.

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    3. A.T. July 23, 2016

      Warren would be a huge waste as VP. Senate majority leader sounds like a much better job for her.

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  5. FT66 July 23, 2016

    Hillary struggled hard to beat Sanders and she thinks her VP pick will do her better? As painful as it is, the election is lost even before the convention starts. So sad.

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    1. King of America July 23, 2016

      When did she “struggle hard”? He was never ahead of her in the polls, and he got defeated with the biggest margin in three decades.

      You’re right, though – this election is over before it started; Hillary has it in the bag. Trump will be a footnote under “Demise of the Republican party”.

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      1. FT66 July 23, 2016

        This ticket reminds of 2004 John Kerry and John Edwards ticket.It was a good ticket, people knew they could do the job well, while “W” took the country to war in Iraq but still he won. Kerry&Edwards ticket had no excitement at all and they lost. Also it reminds me during the primaries how Trump beat the most qualified contenders like Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Lindsey Graham etc.etc. People were not excited in them. And trust me Trump is going to do it again to Hillary&Kaine ticket while the non-stop of killings of terrorists in every corner of the world doesn’t show ending. I will be watching.

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        1. King of America July 23, 2016

          Except Kerry & Edwards actually won. Kerry’s biggest flaw was that he didn’t dignify the Swift Boat nonsense with a response; he should have rammed that straight back in their faces, which would have earned him a few more %, enough that even a court case couldn’t have stolen it.

          Trump won the primary because his opponents split the vote; he got a plurality, not a majority. The only Democrats who don’t like Clinton (who won with an overwhelming majority of Democratic voters) are young white males – not a demographic they need to win, as they proved in 2008 and 2012. All indications are that the Republicans will suffer a massive loss, and there’s no realistic path to a Trump victory: He’s far less popular than Romney, and the age of Tea Partiers means there’s millions less of them this time round.

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          1. FT66 July 23, 2016

            Back to your first para, Kerry didn’t respond to the nonsense Swift Boating. Right, do you think this ticket Hillary/Kaine will respond forcefully to whatever Trump will throw to them? I heard this morning he has already given Kaine a nick-name as he does to every opponent, and he calls him: “corrupted Kaine”. Put together as per Trump: “crooked Hillary & corrupted Kaine” and you expect a message however good will be can pass through. I really doubt it. I might be wrong but I have a lot of experience in politics.

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          2. King of America July 23, 2016

            I think Hillary has already demonstrated that she is able and willing to respond to Trump, yes? If you have any doubts, cast your mind back to the 11-hour Benghazi hearings, where she basically fed a succession of Republicans their own testicles without even breaking a sweat.

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          3. FT66 July 23, 2016

            Don’t get me wrong, I want very badly that Hillary wins, I have been on her side all way through, but I wanted her to make a decision which will lead her to the winning. The way I see it, she thought about working once she is in the WH without thinking she needs to win first before going there.

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          4. King of America July 23, 2016

            I … don’t see that at all. She constructed an enormous and powerful machine to win the primary and the general, modelled after Obama’s in 2008*; it was Sanders who seemed to think he could win without working at it (he never even attempted to challenge her massive lead with African-Americans, for example – he just seemed to expect them to suddenly switch to him for no reason). And she has been forceful and effective at taking down Trump.

            * and she nearly beat Obama then, too (she certainly came much closer to that than Sanders came to defeating her) – if a few states hadn’t broken the rules by moving their primaries and lost half their delegates, it’s not clear who would have won.

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          5. FT66 July 23, 2016

            All the best in the winning but I have much, much doubts if this ticket will deliver. And am very disappointend and will be even more to see all we have been fighting for and achieved since 2009 just go in flames that way. It is really painful.

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          6. King of America July 23, 2016

            PS: I also don’t think this election is going to be won on nicknames.

            PPS: Kerry had one massive disadvantage you seem to have missed – he was running against a President when a war had just started, which historically has given the sitting President an enormous electoral boost, and EVEN SO Kerry managed to win (until that election was stolen).

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          7. FT66 July 23, 2016

            I might be wrong that her pick was not the right one. Let us wait and see how polls will show after this pick. That will be an indicator whether she made the right choice or the bad one.

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          8. King of America July 23, 2016

            I think you’re unnecessarily worried; this was a good pick with regards to the bulk of the public, even if he’s not the most exciting guy in the world. He’s certainly capable of dismantling Pence in a debate, which is important.

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          9. FT66 July 23, 2016

            King, people don’t go to vote because the candidate won debates. There must be the motive which push them to live whatever they are doing in order to go and vote. Unfortunately, here, voting is not compulsory like it is in Australia.

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          10. Karen_in_KC July 23, 2016

            Knowing that the tRump intends to Rule the US as a DICTATOR gives me enough motive to get out to vote! And NOT for a dictator! Those of you who vote for tRump, or a third party, or not at all, I’ll check back after a year if tRump wins, because you split the vote, to see how you like living under a dictator’s rule. I know I won’t like it. Go ahead, cut your nose off to spite your face but don’t come back here to whine about all the rights you have lost under a Republican AND Fascist rule in just one year!

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          11. FT66 July 23, 2016

            I don’t like Trump at all, but I don’t like the pick of Hillary’s VP either. There is nothing for poor people on the ticket. You like a person then you are motivated to go and vote for that person, but with Hillary’s negative approval and she went for this pick without thinking Bernie supporters, I find it bizzare.

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          12. A.T. July 23, 2016

            The entire platform has been adjusted to accommodate Bernie supporters. Bernie lost. They don’t also get to dictate the VP choice. And in any case, they are reacting without doing any research. They can’t assume Kaine is a bad choice without first looking at what he has stood for through his mayor, governor, and senate runs.

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          13. Eleanore Whitaker July 23, 2016

            King I so agree. Kaine is a good choice. I think Hillary Clinton wanted to insure that the candidate she chose for VP is someone who will continue her leadership when, not if, the right wing nasty boys and girls assassinate her.

            One interesting thing is this. I watched Rafael P. Ramon on Metro Focus interview former NJ Governor Christine Todd Whitman. Wow…she ripped Governor Fat Mouth of NJ a new one. And, she didn’t fail to say that she would be 100% behind a “3rd Party” candidate since she doesn’t like either candidate. She also stated, to my shock, that she believes Trump will do much more harm than any US president in history ever could. And this from a Republican who served as EPA chief under George W. Bush and whose father was a diehard Republican.

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          14. Elliot J. Stamler July 23, 2016

            I think in the coming months you will be very surprised. One of the great plusses of Hillary is that she is one tough cookie! Far tougher than the president and that fact has been often written about by Washington journalists.
            Anyone who thinks that women of nature are too weak and gentle to give as much as they get does not know much about women.. My view is that while women are, thank God, the gentler and more nurturing sex, a sex that can endure childbirth (often more than once) is a lot tougher than some of us men give ’em credit for. And toughness does not mean flabby loudmouthed bluster from the kind of man who never did a stitch of manual work in his life, even as a kid, and never got in a fistfight (he had bodyguards even then.) Guess who I am alluding to?

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          15. FT66 July 23, 2016

            I know Hillary is the fighter and she will continue to fight. My concern are mellannials. They have been tweeting me sending emails that they are pissed off and don’t support this pick and will vote for the Third Party. They are talking about Wiki Leaks emails of Hillary which are out today. If we will miss this bloc, the chance of winning is very, very minimal.

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        2. King of America July 23, 2016

          As an example of what I mean by “far less popular”, according to ratings fewer people bothered to watch Trump’s speech at the convention than Romney’s – even though he’s a trainwreck of a candidate at a jaw-dropping spectacle (and that’s not a compliment) of a convention.

          Let that sink in: more people were interested in listening to MITT “AMBIEN” ROMNEY than Donald Trump.

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        3. Phil Christensen July 25, 2016

          In many respects, Kerry/Edwards were their own worst enemy. Edwards was great in the courtroom where he made his pile. Up against “Darth” Cheney, he looked like a lightweight. With respect to Kerry, his whole “reporting for duty” nonsense was the wrong narrative.

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          1. FT66 July 25, 2016

            O.K. brother Phil, we are both coming from the same area. I can’t argue with you.

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      2. AgLander July 23, 2016

        I would describe this ticket as “Dry Toast”……you’ll be picking crusty bread out of your teeth trying to digest this unappetizing twosome.

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        1. King of America July 23, 2016

          I don’t really care how a neo-Nazi would describe this ticket.

          I hope that helps!

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  6. 1standlastword July 23, 2016

    qué lástima

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  7. AgLander July 23, 2016

    The French suffered a horrible terrorist attack last week and Trump delayed his planned VP announcement another 36 hours out of respect for the national tragedy suffered by the French.

    Yesterday, there was a horrible terrorist attack in Germany with many deaths, including little children gunned down eating their meals at a McDonald’s restaurant. Hillary Clinton took the “what difference does it make” approach again in announcing her VP choice a couple of hours later……while the crime scene was still active.

    The empathy of a Clinton on display. I don’t want that type person representing us.

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    1. King of America July 23, 2016

      Yes, when I think of empathy I think of wife-beating child molester Donald Trump.

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      1. AgLander July 23, 2016

        I’m sure Hillary at least paused a minute or two to honor those little children slain before resuming her political agenda so maybe I’m being unfair! And during those two minutes of pause she was probably fuming at her aids over her announcement being interrupted by the bad news from Germany. Don’t you just love the Clinton way!

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        1. King of America July 23, 2016

          I’m sorry that you’re so desperate to paint the Republican convention as something other than the disaster it so obviously was that you are attempting to use this tragedy for gain. Obviously you’re broken in the head (I mean, more than just being an unemployable white supremacist), as normal people don’t do things like this.

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          1. AgLander July 23, 2016

            The cops were still swarming the scene and bodies were strewn about as Hillary made her announcement and I’m the one showing bad taste! Got it!

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          2. King of America July 23, 2016

            Uh huh. Sorry that Trump is so unpopular that his big speech got lower ratings than Mitt Romney’s, and WAY lower ratings that McCain’s – being a gross idiot isn’t going to change that.

            I hope that helps!

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  8. AgLander July 23, 2016

    Kaine was immediately handed an important assignment by Clinton. She instructed him to set up his own home brewed, private email server and to learn how to use the delete buttons and disc scrubber.

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    1. King of America July 23, 2016

      You seem to be confusing Hillary Clinton with George W. Bush and his daddy, Dick Cheney.

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  9. AgLander July 23, 2016

    I was hoping Clinton would pick Monica Lewinsky as her VP……that way she, and all of America, would always know where Bill was and what he was doing!

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    1. King of America July 23, 2016

      It’s always entertaining when a Stormfront poster attempts comedy, although not for the reasons intended.

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      1. AgLander July 23, 2016

        Kaine “took one” for the team in accepting the VP slot……he’s like the guy who agreed to take the ugliest girl in the class (with oozing pimples) to the senior prom! Even Bill probably pulled him off to the side and said “what were you thinking?!

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        1. King of America July 23, 2016

          I’m sure you thought that stream-of-consciousness drivel made some kind of sense. This malady of yours is related to your utter humourlessness, although obviously scientists don’t really care enough to find out the details.

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          1. AgLander July 23, 2016

            Hillary has already told Kaine he is not to vote on November 8th because she doesn’t trust him! (She also issued the same directive to Bill!)

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          2. King of America July 23, 2016

            I dunno who in your inbred family told you that you were able to comprehend jokes, but they did you a grave disservice.

            I hope that helps!

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  10. AgLander July 23, 2016

    Crooked Hillary is apparently an optimist and thinks she has a chance to win because she has order dozens of chastity belts that she plans to force female White House interns to wear on days when Bill is on the premises!

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    1. King of America July 23, 2016

      Yes, yes, you’re terrified of women. We’d already worked that one out.

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  11. Julius Hayden July 23, 2016

    Hillary just moved many progressives who have been saying “I’ll wait ans see what she does/says before I decide” to “I’m not sure that the U.S. doesn’t deserve a fascist dictator in the mold of Mussolini”. What will be the difference if the country is corpratized by a Female demagogue or a male monomaniacal narcissist?
    The corpradems just turned their backs on progressives, the 99% and people who are not WASPs.

    One thing for sure, she and the DNC as well as the nut-wing of the GOP are making Bernie’s arguments for him. Voting matters and that goes for not voting as well.

    Don’t give up; Show UP! at the polls and at the local party meetings and take over the Dems from the ground up.

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    1. 1standlastword July 23, 2016

      The irony is the GOP candidate “defeated” the conservative establishment and has the “appearance” of being The Citizens candidate whereas the DNC candidate is a fix and the Citizens are suppose to think they had a choice.

      Now… with Kaine as veep the is ruse is exposed because he would have been a better candidate for the WH for the grief his candidacy would have spared the citizens since there hasn’t been any permanent warfare between him and the GOP yard dogs

      We can imagine some progress with president Kaine (his bags are significantly lighter) even if it means the survival of smelly establishment politics

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    2. King of America July 23, 2016

      Wow.

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  12. Eleanore Whitaker July 23, 2016

    Admittedly, I am not fond of Roman area-style gladiator matches between humans and lions. Thus, I chose not to watch the RNC Convention. However, breezing past the channels, the noise, angry voices and militancy in just the few seconds it takes to change the channel is enough to cause hearing loss.

    So..ask a right why they never learned to speak in normal voices, only screeches, snarls, bellowing to the mountain tops and peppering every word they speak with hate.

    Since I didn’t watch the convention, it is clear I missed nothing and saved my eardrums serious Republican damage.

    From the opinions of common sense, common decency Americans who did bother to watch, it sounds as if the Republicans only know four words, “Benghazi, Hillary, prison and emails.” Time for all good little right wingers and Republican boys and girls to act like the mature adults they are supposed to be.

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    1. Kurt CPI July 23, 2016

      There you go. Here’s Eleanore making the case for the ideologue zealot mentality once again. Shut your ears and eyes to other people’s beliefs and positions if they’re not in line with what you profess to believe. The only way to become informed is to ignore any commentary that might contradict your own religiously held belief system.
      Here’s what informed, studious, open-minded people do when national elections are at stake:
      1) Whether you agree with the opposition positions on the current issues or not, listen to them. If nothing else it might give you a far more informed position from which to oppose them.
      2) Don’t believe everything politicians say. That goes for your party (either one) as well as the other. And don’t take the stands they purport to take on either side of the issues that are important to you too seriously. Republican AND Democrat politicians are notorious for backing out of things the promise, and away from positions they tout during campaigns.
      3) Look at the attacks on the opposition from both sides and research them to see if any have merit or whether they’re just mud being slung from the political machines. Observation: there’s plenty of this from both platforms.
      4) Don’t get all your political news from one source. Listen to domestic news from sources that favor both candidates (and we all know who they are). You don’t have to slide all the way out to Fox in right field or MSNBC in left field, but at least acknowledge that both points of view have roots in logic and are likely to solve problems – different problems to be sure – but both sides have policies in the planning that I fully agree will achieve their desired outcomes (and I’m speaking of desires for positive outcomes). Also read and listen to international news – again from conservative and liberal perspectives. You’d be totally surprised by what many of our fellow Europeans think about our presidential race. I dare say the average European is better informed on our political situations than the average American!

      I confess I’m still undecided between the two pair of running mates that I have been presented with. As we now have completed the selection process, there’s still plenty of time for one or the other to persuade me that their plans will do more for America and the American working class than the other.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker July 24, 2016

        A little too much truth and facts for you Kurtsy Old Geezer? All your post proves is that you narrow minded jerks babble on and on and one endlessly and NEVER ONCE have facts or proof.

        Why not just admit it? You are a grossly insecure man who lives in mortal terror of the government being outnumbered by women to your balls and dicks? That IS what the Geezer Disease is all about isn’t it?

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        1. Kurt CPI July 24, 2016

          Denial, denial, denial. You take narrow vision to the nth degree. Have fun living in the security of your very small box with even smaller windows.

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  13. Oddworld July 23, 2016

    Well I guess there is no doubt any longer Hillary is running away from progressives. Her choice may have been the safe pick (at least in her eyes) but Elizabeth Warren could have brought Bernie supporters to her side. It goes to show neither of the DNC or the RNC have any idea about the mood of the people.

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    1. A.T. July 23, 2016

      Progressives don’t support the progressive platform that they demanded? Progressives don’t like gun control? Or civil rights? LGBT rights? Childhood education? Keeping abortion legal? Raising the minimum wage? Affordable college? Being against bad trade deals? If that’s the case, I’m happy I’m not a progressive.

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      1. Oddworld July 23, 2016

        So what’s with all the question marks. Since your profile is locked I can’t gage the point you’re trying to make. Are you against those things or do support them.

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        1. A.T. July 23, 2016

          I’ll slow down and explain. Many of those are “progressive” ideals. They’re also the platform that the democrats are running on. It is ridiculous to say she’s “running away from progressives” when that platform was negotiated and agreed upon by progressives. The minority of Bernie supporters who claim they’re still unsure don’t also get to dictate who the VP will be. And it’s irrelevant, but yes, I’ll be voting blue this fall. Because I believe in those ideals, regardless of who my favorite candidate is.
          Kaine isn’t running for president. And it’s absurd for people to rush to judgement about him being “non-progressive” without looking at what he stands for.

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          1. pjm19606 July 23, 2016

            You really DON’T know what your spouting. Clinton is not and was NEVER a Progressive. Her choice for VP is as VANILLA as they come. He’s her lap dog!

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          2. Siegfried Heydrich July 23, 2016

            Waaaaah! We wanted a lesbian goth punk rocker and you gave us a normal guy! Waaaah!

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          3. pjm19606 July 24, 2016

            You really have to change your narcotics!

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          4. Siegfried Heydrich July 24, 2016

            What, to your brand?

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          5. pjm19606 July 24, 2016

            So?

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          6. King of America July 24, 2016

            OK never mind – facts are clearly unimportant to you as you sit atop your mighty edifice of self-righteousness. Sorry to hear you’re supporting Donald Trump!

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          7. A.T. July 24, 2016

            I’m not “spouting,” I’m having a conversation. You’re wrong about HRC’s record and should do some research. I’m sorry your feelings are hurt, but it’s much better for a candidate to have broad appeal to reach both sides of congress, not to be extreme to one side. Do you think 4-8 more years of getting nothing passed through congress is a good idea? The right have been obstructionists to everything Obama has done, and they’ve done nothing but use it against him.

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          8. pjm19606 July 24, 2016

            Wrong about HRC’s record? Really? Who funded her campaign? The 1%! You are SO clueless as are most of her followers. At best she is the lesser of evils. You, like the majority od this nation are a slave to your elementary education which had filled you with the pseudo greatness of the USA. We are not even close to a fucking Democracy! You do know that the very word “Democracy” appears NOWHERE in our founding documents. Please. Without a climactic event, you will remain in the dwindling middle class until your death. Guess that’s what you want!

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          9. A.T. July 24, 2016

            She was quite progressive as a senator and voted 93% the same as Bernie. You can throw all the insults at me that you like. You are the one who has to live with yourself by helping Trump get elected.

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          10. Oddworld July 23, 2016

            I took your first comment out of context. Yes of course the progressives stand for the values you listed above and I stand for those values as well.
            You came off as sounding as if they weren’t important so I do apologize for the misunderstanding. I actually am one of those Bernie fans you mentioned but I’m not young and naive as many are nor am I going to throw a tantrum by voting for Trump or not voting at all as some of Bernie’s supporters have vowed to do. But Hillary had a chance to bring them into the fold by choosing Elizabeth Warren and now she won’t have their votes. That is the point I was trying to make.

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          11. A.T. July 24, 2016

            People should recognize that Warren would be wasted as VP, and there are others who would have felt alienated upon choosing her. Not everyone can be pleased. Kaine actually represents many progressive values. As I said, it’s absurd to not vote democrat just because Kaine is “not Warren”. Look into what he stands for before saying, “Nope. Not Warren. Not voting.”

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  14. FT66 July 23, 2016

    I have to eat my words that I have been blogging this morning. I judged the book by looking at its cover. While watching Tim Kaine introducing himself in Miami, I got a different picture of what I thought the man was. OK. Kaine bring Florida and VA to our side, and by doing so, there is no way Trump can win election.

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    1. King of America July 23, 2016

      I knew you’d come round!

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      1. FT66 July 24, 2016

        Agreed. It is always nice to admit mistakes once you realise it.

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        1. King of America July 24, 2016

          I definitely can’t fault you for being worried about Trump somehow winning – the very idea is TERRIFYING, and we should be doing everything we can to prevent it.

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  15. Irishgrammy July 23, 2016

    I was not sure about Tim Kaine, but kept an open mind and listened to the entire roll out today in Florida……I loved everything he said, who he clearly is and what he stands for, admittedly I have not followed Sen. Kaine that much only knowing he was the Gov. of Virginia, and was a Catholic who spoke fluent Spanish he learned from being a missionary in Honduras…..being a missionary alone should say loud and clear his innate goodness, but if there is one thing that came through loud and clear is he is a good man, with a good heart and puts his heart and head into good works. That matters most to me while being an effective advocate he remains a good man, that cannot be faked! I am impressed and relieved and any true Progressive who cares about the threat from a creature like Trump and his ultra conservative side-kick Pence, they must vote and should vote assured by the fact that Hillary has picked a fine human being with a solid record of fighting for those with no power! Clearly Trump is worried, he will never understand a decent man like Kaine ever, already has a nasty name for Tim Kaine like the 13 year old “whiney litt’l bitch” Trump is……..so he and his contemptible team are already making up lies to throw as we all know policy is beyond Trumps attention span to voice let alone think up……….the debates should be a hoot!

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    1. King of America July 23, 2016

      I keep saying this; he’s a solid, serious choice for VP. When your opponent is having childish tantrums, you show the voters you’re a grown-up.

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  16. Bethpcarlson3 July 24, 2016

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  17. Yappy2 July 25, 2016

    I like Tim Kaine really well. Now if we only get sore loser Sanders to pick up hia marbls and go home. The Democratic party doesn’t have to give into his demands. He wants to promise things that are not possible to do. He lost. You can bet the Republican party had something to do with the leaked emails.

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