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The Fact — And The Case For Immigration Amnesty

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The Fact — And The Case For Immigration Amnesty

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Nov. 20 (Bloomberg View) — To understand the case for or against immigration amnesty, you have to start with The Fact: There are an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. Almost all of them came here under President George W. Bush, President Bill Clinton or even before.

Stating The Fact is important because you won’t hear it uttered by Republican politicians preparing to mount the barricades against President Barack Obama’s impending executive action. They love to talk about “border security.” Depending on the rhetorical needs of the moment, they relish tales either of the tyranny of a president who crushes opponents without remorse or of the weakness of a president who cowers in fear.

However, you will find it very difficult to get any of these politicians to discuss The Fact. Ohio governor John Kasich sort of did this week, and even sort of mentioning The Fact counts as courage. Indeed, it’s difficult to find a House or Senate Republican today who will even acknowledge The Fact, let alone propose to deal with it.

Yet even Republican hardliners won’t articulate support for deporting The Fact, regardless of what they or their constituents might secretly desire. By default, that leaves two choices: some form of the status quo or some form of amnesty.

The status quo has little to recommend it. If you are worried about The Fact driving down wages or hurting taxpayers, as some opponents of immigration reform are, the status quo is your enemy. It leaves millions without legal protection from labor exploitation. It also restricts economic mobility and access to credit. It makes investing in personal capital — education, skills — risky, and investing in a home or business even more so. The threat of deportation — keep in mind that the Obama administration has deported roughly two million individuals — also entails the threat of personal financial ruin.

Amnesty is offensive to Americans who view The Fact as a collection of lawbreakers. But making immigrants suffer in legal limbo, with the constant threat of deportation hanging over them and their loved ones, serves no practical or moral purpose. Will they become better people as they wait? Or, in lieu of deportation, is suffering itself the point?

Most Americans support an earned path to legalization and citizenship. That is precisely the course that the Senate endorsed in 2013 and the House rejected. If House Republicans had been willing to pass an earned path to citizenship, this controversy would have ended in 2013. Instead, the only legislation they passed was an attempt to strip young immigrants who had arrived as children — “DREAMers” — of the right to study and work here. That’s a very effective way to punish. Does it serve some other useful goal?

If the purpose of leaving The Fact unresolved is to condemn the lax immigration policies that preceded the Obama administration, then by all means wail away. But it won’t change the past. If the idea is to set an example to deter future immigrants, it’s a pointless exercise. A secure border can deter them. So can prospects for a better life at home. The enmity of U.S. politicians, however, is not terribly daunting to a Guatemalan mother fleeing a murderous gang that controls her neighborhood. In any case, focusing on the past or the future is just one more way of avoiding dealing with The Fact that is here and now.

So the question is whether illegal immigrants should remain in legal limbo, with their economic prospects blunted, their ambitions stunted — all for no gain whatsoever to the nation at large. (By contrast, citizenship for The Fact would lower the deficit and aid the economy).

In the U.S., of all places on earth, condemnation of The Fact on moral grounds is especially difficult to sustain. Illegal immigration isn’t exactly alien to these shores; it preceded the nation’s founding. In 1763, King George III drew a border along the Allegheny Mountains and prohibited settlement west of it. George Washington was among those who violated the law, speculating in land on the other side.

Our national character was forged in no small degree by our scrappy determined ancestors who risked their lives to get here and exhibited enormous grit to make it. Many were hated by those already here. No one is proposing open borders or amnesty for all forever. But The Fact isn’t going away. If amnesty is unacceptable, what do immigration opponents propose?

Photo: About 200 people gather on Aliso Street to watch a jumbo screen of President Obama’s speech on executive action on immigration during a rally outside the Los Angeles Metropolitan Detention Center on Thursday, Nov. 20, 2014, in Los Angeles. (Gina Ferazzi/Los Angeles Times/TNS)

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  1. James Bowen November 21, 2014

    The fact is we cannot sustain the rate of legal immigration that we have, let alone the illegal ones. We need to get rid of all the illegals. The best way to do this is to enforce laws in the workplace to deny them jobs. With no jobs, they have no reason to stay. Also, amnesty is not at all popular among the American people. The House did not take this bill up because they were under enormous pressure from their constituents to kill it.

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    1. stcroixcarp November 22, 2014

      The House did not take up the immigration bill because they wanted to keep immigration as an issue. The republican base needs to feed on red meat hatred. Immigrants make a great target, especially those “illegals”. The “illegals” become the scapegoat for the failed republican agenda. Why solve the problem, when the problem is so useful?

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      1. Dominick Vila November 22, 2014

        The only thing I would add is that in addition to illegal immigration being a powerful wedge issue, legalizing the status of illegal immigrants forces employers to pay them minimum wage and some benefits, in accordance with U.S. laws. The GOP is fighting on behalf of their donors, rather than trying to solve a problem that has been with us for over half a century.

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        1. bikejedi November 22, 2014

          What are you talking about .., Those people are still going to steal jobs from Black Youth because they will work under the Table … The GOP is fighting for the will of the American people or didn’t you watch the election and every poll .. Dom you know better than this and yet you always spin this stuff … And these Grubtards think you know something … Why dont you come where I live .. the heart of Chicago Illinois .. Sanctuary State and City .. More precisely Logan Sq land of ILLEGALS in the 4th Congressional District ruled by the little Tyrant himself .. Little Luis ( gutless ) Guitietrez .. These people don’t want to give up their free housing and SNAP .. they don’t want to give up the free day care at Christopher House … You people dont even see whats going on

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          1. WhutHeSaid November 22, 2014

            Stop lying. Just because the Party of Bigots refused to fix the immigration issue for decades is no reason to come out here and spew lies about your fellow immigrants.

            The GOP is most certainly NOT fighting for the ‘will of the people’. The will of the people is clearly an earned path to citizenship.

            When you fashion your lies about SNAP and free housing, don’t forget to mention the European immigrant goobers like yourself who are hands down the biggest users of government benefits.

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          2. Dominick Vila November 22, 2014

            I admit that what I see is the exact opposite to what you described. I see hard working people doing things that most of us would not even consider, living in conditions that most Americans cannot even imagine, and who would not get even close to a government office to apply for welfare or anything else for fear of being caught.
            Have you considered the probability that some of the people you are describing may be LEGAL U.S. citizens?
            There are many problems associated with illegal immigration, ranging from the fact that we have the right to uphold our laws, to the distinct likelihood that granting amnesty only encourages more to come in illegally, to the challenges associated with finding a long term solution to this issue – which is only a problem because of political and financial considerations rather than not knowing how to solve this problem. Laziness and dependence on government handouts are the last thing I would think when I think of or try to characterize a Latino illegal immigrant.

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          3. bikejedi November 23, 2014

            You see that because you don’t live with them . Come to my sanctuary City in my sanctuary State as I said and you will see the truth . Refer yourself to the LA TIMES study on the cost of ILLEGAL ALIENS . Now the migrant farm workers are the ones you think of and that you are being taught ” do the jobs Americans wont ” .. Look at what happened in Georgia when they barred that activity ? Americans took those jobs immediately . Dom I know which ones are Illegal and which ones aren’t here .. The Legal ones hate the Illegal ones for the favoritism they are shown . They get free day care at Christopher house ( local non profit funded by Govt grants ) and free Computer classes that they don’t qualify for .. The bulk of Illegal Aliens are living in urban centers that are Dem Liberal .. they have classified themselves as Sanctuary States and Cities .. The Bulk of them live in L A and Chicago .. And I never said they were lazy so stop even trying to put that on me or anyone who is against amnesty to criminals for votes .. I have worked with many Illegals in restaurants and they work hard ..
            At least we agree that granting amnesty will only encourage more bad behavior

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          4. Dominick Vila November 23, 2014

            Sorry, but your opinion of what happened in Georgia when the government of that state drove illegal immigrants out is incorrect. Very few Americans applied for the agricultural jobs the immigrants were doing. The problem became so serious that the Governor of Georgia offered early parole to prisoners if they volunteered to work the fields. When most prisoners turned down the offer, the efforts to drive illegal immigrants our were quietly reversed, and Georgia is back to where they were a decade ago.
            People often see the reality of most Americans not being interested in doing unskilled work as a negative or something to be embarrassed of. I don’t. I see it as evidence of an affluent society, where the expectations of its citizens is consistent with their education level and what we are accustomed to. BTW, my reference to education is not limited to college, most of the blue collar workers that graduate from trade school, or who were trained while in the military, are not interested in picking strawberries for $3 an hour. That is not something to be embarrassed of, it is something to be proud of.
            Regarding the claim that illegal immigrants are a burden to our society. In addition to contributing to low inflation, affordable food, garments, hospitality, and housing; many illegal immigrants use false SS cards to seek and find employment. Their employers deduct SS and MEDICARE benefits…and the illegal immigrants never collect a dime because you must go to a SS office, present pertinent documentation including a valid SS card and proof of citizenship before you become eligible to collect benefits. It is also important to remember that illegal immigrants pay sales taxes when they buy anything in the USA.
            I don’t know what is going on in Chicago and, honestly, I don’t think I want to find out. I spent 12 years in California, where there is a high Latino population, and I visited Texas and New Mexico often before I retired, and I am very familiar with this issue. One thing I noticed, especially in Texas, was the close and cooperative relationship between Anglos and Latinos.

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          5. bikejedi November 23, 2014

            Yes they contribute to various industries as you stated but they are a net drain on the system and the U S Tax Payers .

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        2. James Bowen November 22, 2014

          However, their very presence keeps wages low, and legalizing them would legitimize that. That is why GOP donors support amnesty like they do.

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          1. Dominick Vila November 22, 2014

            If you are referring to farm hands, people working in the hospitality industry, and some construction jobs, the availability of a large workforce willing to work hard for less than minimum wage may influence lower wages for those in the lowest strata of our economy. However, I can tell you with absolute certainty that companies like Google, MICROSOFT, Apple, Lockheed Martin, HONEYWELL, GE and others are not going to stop paying their employees top dollar and offer outstanding benefits because there are people willing to pick berries for 50 cents a bushel.
            If the concern over immigration involves its alleged impact on wages, shouldn’t we focus our attention on what most Americans aspire rather than the least common denominator?

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          2. James Bowen November 22, 2014

            First of all, not all Americans aspire to go to college. Many do just want to work with their hands. Second, wage depression does not just affect the occupation in question. In a free labor market, displaced workers are going to seek work elsewhere. Finally, there is also a labor glut among high tech workers. It is so pronounced that those over age 40 can’t get jobs.

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          3. Dominick Vila November 22, 2014

            You are right, a lot of people worldwide prefer to go to trade school, or no school, and many do very well.
            Corporations, such as the ones I mentioned, are not paying six figure salaries and offer outstanding benefit packages, because of illegal or legal immigrants. Their goal is to recruit qualified and experienced people, and limit attrition, to ensure quality products or services, customer satisfaction, high sales and profits.
            I don’t know where you live, but in many parts of the country high tech companies are hiring foreign professionals with H1b because they can’t find enough qualified applicants at home. Whether or not the scarcity of qualified personnel is influenced by the fact that some of our professionals are pursuing business opportunities of their own is immaterial. If you know experienced high tech engineers send them to Silicon Valley, Dallas, the Raleigh area in NC, Northern Virginia, and even Tampa where the company my eldest son works for is desperately trying to recruit qualified people to keep up with demand. BTW, my eldest son is 50 and he had no problem finding a job.

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          4. James Bowen November 24, 2014

            See the following: http://www.cis.org/no-stem-shortage. What happened with your son might be a local phenomenon or an anomaly, but all objective evidence points to a nation wide glut of tech workers.

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      2. bikejedi November 22, 2014

        Are you kidding me ? They didnt send a bill to Harry Reid and the Dems because they knew the Dems would not sign off on anything that didnt grant amnesty or had border security in it . Man Gruber was right about you people . The Dems had majorities in both the House and Senate for two years and could of passed Amnesty for votes with no border Security . They chose not to because they knew even back then America was against it . Since the GOP took the House in 2010 the Dems have only advanced a bill they knew the GOP wouldn’t sign off on because it had no border security . So they used the issue to paint the GOP as anti Hispanic .. They never had any desire to do it only to demagogue . Before the election Obama threatened to go full Sith Emperor … El Presidente was warned not to do that by his own Party . Now after the America has spoken in the election and every poll Obama SUDDENLY ran out of Patience ??? Really ???? After 6 years of the Dems just using the issue to demagogue for Grubtards ??? So now he goes Full Emperor ?? And he is trying to blame the new GOP Congress that hasn’t even been seated ???? The Funny thing is uninformed Liberals don’t understand that the new Congress didn’t get a chance to even weigh in Gruber was right your post proves it

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        1. stcroixcarp November 22, 2014

          Could you clarify something for me? What is the republican definition of border security? Is it building a Berlin type wall? A militarized border? How much will this border security thing cost?
          P.S. Calm down, take a deep breath, this is just a discussion and not worth having a stroke over.

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          1. bikejedi November 23, 2014

            First let me say thank you for the concern of my health .. If this were working me up I wouldn’t waste my time typing . I find commenting on here helps me to get a message out while also seeing how the left feels on issues .. Your concern while appreciated is misplaced .
            I live in the land of ILLEGAL ALIENS . Chicago Il ..Dem Liberal Sanctuary State and City more specifically Little Luis ( Gutless ) Guittierez’s 4th Congressional district . Most of the people I know are Dem Liberals . We are all in agreement what Border Security should look like . 1 a Fence high and hard to scale… topped with spikes and razor wire . 2 electronics … eyes and infrared .. 3 drones 4 More Border agents … Couple that with legislation that bars ANY Illegal from any Tax Payer hand outs and that will discourage more Illegal behavior . These are the thought of my Liberal friends in Chicago and mine as well

            How much will it cost you ask .. Oh Billions for sure but you can fund it out of the savings from entitlement plans and also out of the foreign aid budgets we give to Central American Countries

            I am not and neither are any of my Conservative or Liberal friends against letting Dreamers stay . I would let them become citizens way at the back of the line and behind the 4 million LEGAL immigrants waiting to come here .. they then pass the test in English … Im good with that . Their criminal Parents can stay but NEVER become citizens and as for sponsoring others from their Home Country’s … Just like anyone else but at the back of the line ..What do you think ?

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        2. Dominick Vila November 22, 2014

          Sorry Bike, but that is simply not true. The Senate passed an immigration Bill by 68 points, which enjoyed the support of a few Republicans, to the House where it was ignored and denied an up and down vote by Speaker Boehner because he knew most congressmen favored a resolution to a problem that has plagued us for at least half a century. The illegal immigration issue is not a Republican or Democrat problem, it is an American problem that deserves attention and resolution. Making excuses or engaging in finger pointing is not going to solve it.

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          1. bikejedi November 23, 2014

            Dom that is a very Liberal interpretation of events . It doesn’t even consider why the House voted against it … Very MSNBC talking point of you .. Why don’t you show some intellectual honesty and admit that you know that the Dems forwarded a bill to the House they knew was DOA before they sent it . I mean it was amnesty with a pathway to citizenship IE amnesty for criminals for their votes . It had no border Security in it .. So yeah it was forwarded for the purpose of demagogueing the GOP .. And the only thing that has made this OUR American problem is that the Dems have left the problem spiral out of control … even encouraging more Illegal activity by running commercials in Mexico telling them how to apply for free stuff here . Encouraging the kids to come here last summer etc … Create a crisis to solve a problem ? Unfortunately for you America isn’t the people Gruber described only people like you who deny what really happened . Grow up and show intellectual honesty … You know what that bill was about and you know it was DOA …You can sit there and spin for your party of LIARS ( Gruber Obama ) but America showed it isn’t buying their LIES

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          2. WhutHeSaid November 23, 2014

            Stop lying. There was no amnesty for criminals — that’s just another bigot-lie.

            The House had every opportunity to construct their own bill, and if the Senate bill truly was so bad then such could have been shown by bringing it to the floor for debate and a up-down vote.

            Why a lying, terrorist-sympathizing European immigrant (you) cares about immigration bills is beyond me, but at least you can tell the truth once in awhile. You do remember how to tell a truth, yes?

            Now Obama has forced the issue upon the House of Bigots, and people will pay close attention to what they do next.

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          3. Dominick Vila November 23, 2014

            Are you saying that President Reagan’s 1986 amnesty to 3.7 million illegal immigrant rewarded criminals and was designed to get votes? Or that the changes made by Bush Sr and Jr to our immigration laws rewarded criminals to get votes?
            Nobody expected the House to pass the Bill sent to them by the Senate. The expectation was that the House would modify it and send it back to the Senate to eventually reach a compromise. Instead, Speaker Boehner shelved the Bill and refuse to put it out for an up and down vote, or for consideration and amendment as applicable.
            I don’t support amnesty, but I believe we must find a way to solve this issue, which is not new and it is not too hard to solve. That is, if both parties ignore the political consequences of pursuing a solution, without fear of how their constituents will react.

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          4. bikejedi November 23, 2014

            First let me commend you for the common sense to be against amnesty for votes .. I agree with no deportations of dream kids and that is all that it should be ( it wont be that though )

            S for Reagan he did not pass amnesty through E O the Dem House and Senate passed a bill which he signed as part of Bi Partisan cooperation and to horse trade on other issues . At that point in time we didnt have the Dem Party openly courting and encouraging Illegals to come with the enticement of Sanctuary States and Cities nor free stuff . Reagan didn’t make law with his E O just corrected an oversight pertaining to children . It wasnt amnesty for votes and he wasnt making law with an EO .. ditto the Bush’s .. Liberals need to stop believing talking points and fb meme’s

            On your other contention of the House not amending what the Senate sent them .. It wasn’t feasible because the Dems let it be known that they wanted a ” clean bill” or else .. I know you know that already

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          5. Dominick Vila November 23, 2014

            Congress did support Reagan’s amnesty, and passed legislation to that effect, at a time when politicians understood their responsibilities a lot better than the current ones do.
            First of all, a temporary work permit is not even permanent residency, let alone a path to citizenship. The recipients of the work permits will not be able to vote. Moreover, it is not clear that Latinos will vote for Democrats or Republicans. The voting record of legal Latinos is dismal.
            Secondly, the goals are to solve the illegal immigration issue, both for those who are already in the country, and limit the influx of newcomers to people with the applicable visas.
            I believe Sen. McCain had the best proposal years go, before he almost lost re-election, when he proposed a guest worker program for ALL illegal immigrants already living in the country, and improve border security to limit the influx of newcomers.
            Regarding the children of illegal immigrants born in the USA, the so-called “anchor” babies; the 7th Amendment is clear on the issue of citizenship. If someone is born in the USA, that person is automatically a U.S. citizen. No fine print about illegal parents, since in those days the only thing people had to do to enter this country legally was to come. The “Dreamers” are children born in Mexico and Central America who came to this country as minors, attended school in the USA, and often serve in our Armed Forces. Most of them speak English fluently, only speak broken Spanglish, and don’t know too much about the country they were born in.
            I read an interesting article on the latter a few months ago. Young “dreamers” deported in recent years are working for Corporate Help Desks and Answering services south of the border. Corporations realized the opportunity to employ people that sound and talk like an American, hire them, and pay them substantially less than what they would have earned in the USA. I believe they should be allowed to stay.

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          6. bikejedi November 23, 2014

            Dom anyone including yourself knows what the Dem Liberals want on this issue and that is amnesty . Shortly after the new GOP Congress is seated they will use it to drive a wedge in this Country , People like Sanders and Schumer as well as Fauxohantas will start with the rhetoric of .. ” How can we call ourselves a compassionate Country is we allow people to live her they pay taxes ( most dont and wont ) and we dont allow them to become citizens . The FIRST day the GOP is seated they should advance a bill to Obama’s desk .. It should agree with no deportations for Illegal Aliens . It should even include a path to citizenship but ONLY for the Dreamers .. at the back of the bus and behind the current over 4 million LEGAL immigrants waiting to come . The Dreamers parents are allowed to stay but never become citizens because they didnt repspect our laws and customs .. If they commit ANY crimes while guests of this Nation or already have they gert deported . End the practice of encouraging more Illegal activity by ending Tax Payer hand outs for ANY Illegal . Make that known in Central America . Enact REAL Border Security and start today .. Pay for it out of the foreign aid packages we give to those Country’s .. I mean if this is only about the deportations and they have no ulterior motives Obama should sign it immediately .. after all Obama supposedly put border security in his EO right… and this is only about ending the deportations right ??? You know as well as I do if the GOP advances a bill like that to Obama he will Veto it immediately ,. It will perfectly display his intentions to all of America… also if the GOP does it the way I suggest they have taken it a step further then Obama and are willing to grant the citizenship to dreamers Obama’s E O doesn’t .. Obama thought he outmaneuvered the GOP by doing his E O and portraying to Grubtards that they didnt want to do anything … Now the GOP should turn this issue on him and watch how fast he Veto’s a bill that protects dreamers and their families and also protects America

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          7. Dominick Vila November 24, 2014

            The decision made by President Obama allows DREAMERS parents, who have been in the USA more than 5 years, to work in this country TEMPORARILY, until the new Congress passes a law that makes this temporary measure unnecessary, or the next President invalidates it. I would not be surprised if the new Congress passes immigration law reform legislation that forces President Obama to veto it, not because that legislation will be designed to protect the DREAMERS and their parents, but because it is likely to be a Trojan Horse that will include some candy along with the most repressive anti-immigrant legislation in U.S. history. I hope I am wrong on this one, but I don’t expect anything positive from the next Congress on this or any other issue, other than advance the interests and wishes of the far right.

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          8. bikejedi November 25, 2014

            Oh i think they will agree with the no deportation thing for dreamers and their parents .. I hope they then use my plan to protect America and her citizens .. Obama will promptly veto that and his and the Dems true agenda on this will be perfectly displayed .. Now if the GOP does what I suggested then NO informed American who cares about THIS Country will Vote for them for at least a decade .

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      3. James Bowen November 22, 2014

        You might be right about the GOP, but that still goes to show just how unpopular giving illegal aliens legal status is.

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        1. stcroixcarp November 22, 2014

          I think the whole issue of immigration is a “boogyman” issue. It is used to scare people and it filled with the dog whistle coded language of bigotry. How would my life as an American citizen be better if there were no brown immigrants? How is my life worse because of brown immigrants? If all the illegal immigrants were deported within the next two years, how would my life be better? For the better part of my career I have worked closely with refugees and immigrants from all over the world. What these people have taught me about courage, spiritual strength and the goodness in life has given me tremendous joy, lasting friendships and a better understanding of the world I live in. I met some stinkers too, but seeing some of the posts on National Memo, these foreign stinkers were pretty benign.

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          1. James Bowen November 22, 2014

            Whether they are brown or not is immaterial, but your life (or at least the lives of most Americans) would be better if there were far fewer immigrant coming in. The U.S. is overpopulated, and that unsustainable growth is due entirely to immigration. Reducing immigration and driving illegals out would open up jobs, put upward pressure on wages, and reduce many population-related pressures on the economy, infrastructure, and the ecosystem.

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          2. stcroixcarp November 22, 2014

            Unsustainable growth and environmental degradation is an unintended consequence of unrestrained capitalism. Do you really think that reducing immigration and driving illegals out will open up jobs and drive wages upward? Maybe 70 or 80 years ago, but in today’s global economy, companies will simply out source to a place where labor is cheaper, say Mexico. The only jobs left for the middle class here will be the service sector jobs at low pay. Then the low pay will be blamed on YOUR laziness and YOU just wanting to lay around eating bonbons when you could be out there getting rich. And forget about food stamps, if you are to lazy to get rich, you are too lazy to eat.

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          3. James Bowen November 24, 2014

            Unsustainable growth and environmental degradation are physical results of not controlling population. Native-born Americans have children at sub-replacement level, so the problem does not lie with native fertility. Greatly reducing immigration and getting rid of illegals would halt our population growth (assuming native fertility levels hold at sub-replacement). It would also reduce growth of the U.S. workforce (and might even shrink it). This would make labor more scarce and therefore more valuable, putting upward pressure on wages. Most of the jobs where there is a large foreign worker presence are jobs that cannot physically be outsourced (not to mention that outsourcing is not inevitable–trade policies can be enacted that disincentivize such behavior).

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    2. WhutHeSaid November 22, 2014

      Say, I have a suggestion: Let’s start with the illegal immigrants who have cheated the system longest and broken the most laws: Once we deport all of the illegal European immigrants and their children, we can take another look at the situation and fashion a responsible immigration law that will prevent despicable racists and bigots from ever infesting America again.

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  2. Dominick Vila November 22, 2014

    First of all, let’s not confuse a TEMPORARY WORK PERMIT with amnesty. Having said that, the reason so many Americans oppose amnesty is because we learned from Reagan’s 1986 amnesty that doing that only encourages more people to enter the USA illegally. A different approach must be taken, if the goal is to solve this problem once and for all. While there is no question that something must be done to legitimize the status of those already in the USA, without rewarding for violating our laws, w must seek a long term solution to limit the influx of immigrants to those who apply for an get a visa to enter the USA legally. The easiest way to achieve that is to fine employers that hire illegal immigrants, and shut down repeat offenders. No jobs = no illegal immigration.

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    1. bikejedi November 22, 2014

      Give me a break Dom everyone knows where this is going and in Chicago Rahm wasnt holding back as he pandered to the Hispanic Community . He already is setting the ground work for them to become citizens in rhetoric and planning .. As soon as the New Congress gets seated the talking points will come from communist Dems like Shumer and Sander … It will go something like this .. How can we call ourselves a compassionate nation ( which we are we give more foreign aid then any Nation in the World ) when we allow people to stay .. they work and pay taxes ( most don’t preferring to work under the Table so they can keep their Tax Payer hand outs in Housing SNAP etc ) and dont allow them a voice .. These people should be citizens and if the Republican disagree then they are anti Hispanic . I would counter that if the Dems favor ILLEGAL ALIENS over our own Citizens then they are anti American . The last election and every poll taken shows America did not want Obama to go Full Sith Emperor … You NEVER go full Retrard errr Grubtard err Sith Emperor ( all apologies to Tropic Thunder ) and grant amnesty and that is exactly what he did .. He is such an arrogant LIAR that much like Gruber he thinks the voters are stupid … He thinks America is stupid .. Obama and the Dems had majorities the first two years and chose to do nothing on the subject because even back then they knew America did not want amnesty . After the GOP took the house in 2010 they have done nothing still over the last 4 years besides advance a bill that they knew the GOP would not sign off on because it lacked border Security . So the Dems did nothing but Demagogue the issue against the GOP .. Before the election Obama threatened to do his E O Amnesty but his own Party told him not to so he waited until after the election … and now he says he SUDDENLY had run out of patience before the GOP couls even be seated ? While Liberals might be stupid as Gruber and Obama think America isn’t and the last election and every poll on the subject prove that .

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      1. WhutHeSaid November 22, 2014

        Hearing all of this bigoted bile spewing out of a European immigrant is amusing. If you despise immigrants so much, why don’t you just self-deport your European immigrant self? The country will be grateful for one less bigot — I promise.

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        1. bikejedi November 23, 2014

          No one is talking to you because you are intolerant immature and ignorant .. And no one is listening to you …Why do you waste your life being bitter and hating ?

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          1. WhutHeSaid November 23, 2014

            This from a bigoted redneck goober? You people go around hating on everyone who isn’t old and white, and then you wonder why people dislike you?

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      2. Dominick Vila November 22, 2014

        What the Democratic members of the new Congress say on this, or any other issue, remains to be seen. At this point, predictions about future behavior are nothing more than speculation. The only thing we know for sure is that both the House and Senate will be controlled by the GOP, and that the GOP will control all the committees and subcommittees.
        Yes, we do give a lot of money to countries like Israel, Egypt, and Pakistan, but that aid has more to do with geo-political goals and the need to advance and protect our interests, than compassion. When it comes to the latter, most of the donations come from private citizens and organizations, such as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
        Will Democrats in the new Congress remind their colleagues of our purported values, traditions, history, and the contributions that immigrants have made and continue to make to our society, our standard of living, and our national security? I certainly hope so.

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        1. bikejedi November 23, 2014

          Dom please don’t deny the we give billions in aid to Mexico and Central American Countries and please don’t play the spin and deflect game that Liberals always do when they cant debate on merit . Yes we give money to Israel and Egypt .. Under Obama we have also armed Hamas … that has nothing to do with the fact that we are the most compassionate and giving people on the Globe .. Don’t minimize that or distract from that .
          And past behavior is ALWAYS a good indicator of future behavior .. ask any Psychologist or the Justice system
          And yes LEGAL IMMIGRANTS have made many contributions on our culture and society . ILLEGAL ALIENS have been a drain on the Tax Payer and the Justice system while contributing only a little .. By the way I am for the Dreamers staying and even giving them a shot at citizenship .. They have to do it legally pass the test in English and get all the way in the back of the line .. All the way behind the over 4 million still waiting to come here legally

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          1. WhutHeSaid November 23, 2014

            But it just doesn’t really matter at this point. Obama acted, and now that’s the new direction. You bigots had your chance to cooperate, and you refused. Now the issue has been forced on you for 2016, and this is an issue that affects very real people with very real concerns. A GOP misstep here can be disastrous.

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          2. Dominick Vila November 23, 2014

            I don’t deny that we have been giving foreign aid to most countries in the world, my complaints involve the fact that some of that aid involves military aid, funding foreign political factions, often ends up in the pockets of unscrupulous politicians, and is designed to advance our interests rather than help those who really need help. I would stop foreign aid with the exception of aid designed to eradicate malnutrition, diseases, and promote education in impoverished countries.
            Yes, we, the people, are generous and that generosity is evident in what people like Bill Gates is doing. I watched a wonderful program a few months ago highlighting what a young American was doing i Africa. His quest involved drilling water wells in remote villages in Africa, and training some of the villagers on how to maintain the pump. The appreciation of the villagers contrasted with the animosity that is directed at us in countries like Egypt and Pakistan, to name a few.

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          3. bikejedi November 23, 2014

            We are the most compassionate and giving Nation on Earth . Yes some of it goes to prop up people and Military’s but a lot goes to Central American Country’s as well

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    2. EaglesGlen November 24, 2014

      American citizens charge illegal aliens $10.00 per day occupancy tax collected by gov and paid to one American citizens account that gov can not touch.
      If gov did that in the first place there would be no illegals.

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  3. Kelly John November 23, 2014

    James Bowen til I looked at the draft four $8048, I did not believe that…my… father in law actualey bringing home money part time at there computar.. there dads buddy has been doing this for only 14 months and just now cleard the morgage on their villa and purchased themselves a Saab 99 Turbo. this is where I went,★★★★★★➤➤➤&nbsphttp://GoogleProjects/get/position/Group_Vipfree

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  4. EaglesGlen November 24, 2014

    Suppose the original Reagan amnesty of unfit moral turpitude illegals attempting an unfit version of naturalization resulted in 35% citizens and 65% did not assimilate created an insidious cancer in America and Reagan would have decided he would not done it if he had the choice to do it all over again.

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